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In 2002 Orville Burke had tricep surgery for a tear he got while doing a photoshoot with a photographer who insists on the pros using max weights during the shoot, he was up to his eyes in juice at the time, and the doctors strongly recommended he did not have go under in this state, due to unstable blood pressure,
Big Orville didnt wake up from that Op for 6 weeks,
what happened next?
anyone know ???
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this is a very quiet story. I'd like to learn more too. surgical complications are seriously scary.
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240, you of all people must know something,
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Yeah. I have wanted to know about it since long time too!!!!!!!!
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240, you of all people must know something,
Nope. I'm fascinated and terrified at stories like this though. There but for the grace of God go any of us. Would be interesting to hear details of the coma, how he was treated by companies/ mags/ industry afterwards, his rehab, and what he's doing now.
Heck, he should register here. Could probably add some levity and honesty to a place where many pros say things to keep the stringsmen happy. orv would probably shoot us pretty straight.
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Nope. I'm fascinated and terrified at stories like this though. There but for the grace of God go any of us. Would be interesting to hear details of the coma, how he was treated by companies/ mags/ industry afterwards, his rehab, and what he's doing now.
Heck, he should register here. Could probably add some levity and honesty to a place where many pros say things to keep the stringsmen happy. orv would probably shoot us pretty straight.
Then someone like you should build a thread for his invitation.
And I support you.
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240, you of all people must know something,
ROFL
The Beef
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In 2002 Orville Burke had tricep surgery for a tear he got while doing a photoshoot with a photographer who insists on the pros using max weights during the shoot, he was up to his eyes in juice at the time, and the doctors strongly recommended he did not have go under in this state, due to unstable blood pressure,
Big Orville didnt wake up from that Op for 6 weeks,
what happened next?
anyone know ???
I knew this guy well during that time...He used to train at a gym in New York called Hardcore Muscle and Fitness. I remember when he went to the hospital for the surgery and remember him being told about the risks of the surgery, not due to unstable blood pressure, but sensitivity/allergic to anesthesia. He saw a couple of doctors about it and though many doctors declined the surgery...one doctor went on with it. The end result is he reacted to the anesthesia and ended up in a coma. Since then Hardcore Muscle and Fitness has closed (it was located only four blocks away from the World trade Center and after its collapse and the subsiquent closing off of the area the gym could not survive due to a total loss of membership) I have not had any contact with anyone who used to know him so I am clueless as to what has happened to him since. I heard rumored that after he came out of the coma that he moved or was moved back to Jamaica...again it was only a rumor so I can not prove this...
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This certainly seems to be one of BBing's "best kept secrets." It's like the "who shot JFK?" of the BBing world!!! :P
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i wondered about this for ages too but just assumed i'd missed the outcome.
ta ta
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I wonder.... Last I heard, Steve said that Orville had a lot of Ronnie in him.....
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I've posted on this topic many times over the past few years and have NEVER received an answer. I would ask that you run a search on this, but Ron has probably deleted the threads. I think the IFBB wants this silenced for some reason, because if it wasn't a big deal to them, then SOMEONE (*cough* Steve Weinberger *cough*) could pony up some info.
But nope - carry on.
Wow....That sound exciting..
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hes very limited now unfortunately from what i here,
sad, he was a FREAK.
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hes very limited now unfortunately from what i here,
sad, he was a FREAK.
How limited? Wheel chair?
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Apparently it took him a while just to learn how to walk and talk again.
who told u that?
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It was posted on here by someone who also set Orville was financially comfortable. Hopefully the latter is correct.
Orville was working for D Trump right?
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I've posted on this topic many times over the past few years and have NEVER received an answer. I would ask that you run a search on this, but Ron has probably deleted the threads. I think the IFBB wants this silenced for some reason, because if it wasn't a big deal to them, then SOMEONE (*cough* Steve Weinberger *cough*) could pony up some info.
But nope - carry on.
There have also been numerous times over at MM, where a thread is posted, and Prince deleted it, or silenced the thread by saying something like "We Pro's do not talk of this."
I'm very curious as to why this particular event has gone pretty much "under the radar."
I know Orville worked for Donald Trump (claimed it in FLEX at one point, had photos to back it), and that's supposedly where he got his stability.
I hope the best for Orville, but damn this is an interesting topic that nobody wants to talk about.
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There have also been numerous times over at MM, where a thread is posted, and Prince deleted it, or silenced the thread by saying something like "We Pro's do not talk of this."
I'm very curious as to why this particular event has gone pretty much "under the radar."
I know Orville worked for Donald Trump (claimed it in FLEX at one point, had photos to back it), and that's supposedly where he got his stability.
I hope the best for Orville, but damn this is an interesting topic that nobody wants to talk about.
Steve Weinberger would be the one to ask. He was very close to Orville and Orville trained at his gym. No doubt he knows all the details. I had never heard that Orville was working for Trump until today.
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Weinberger would be the one to ask, yes. But to get truth out of him, would be like asking True Adonis if he thought he really should have won the Mr. GetBig. ::)
I'm just extremely curious as to "the why" of this whole cover-up on Orville's situation. ::)
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i wonder if prince even enter a public gym these days with sleevless shirt or t shirt and not a big baggy tommy xxl long and warm wintery made of towel material shirt typa thing ;)
take it from a pro,,its the worst feeling of the day to enter a gym and see someone that is more muscular and cut and/or bigger than you,, wether its a pro or just a joe shmoe,,especially when your life is bodybuilding,,
now think about thomas,,in getbig famous words he must be owened countless times by every day gym rats on a weekly basis :D
then again he probably "trains" in his home gym,,that he built because he couldnt stand the "toxic" number of people in the gym :D,,too many people take the equipment away from him,,it hurts the intensity! :D
gotta love prince ;)
good boy,,,,,,NOT!
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i wonder if prince even enter a public gym these days with sleevless shirt or t shirt and not a big baggy tommy xxl long and warm wintery made of towel material shirt typa thing ;)
take it from a pro,,its the worst feeling of the day to enter a gym and see someone that is more muscular and cut and/or bigger than you,, wether its a pro or just a joe shmoe,,especially when your life is bodybuilding,,
now think about thomas,,in getbig famous words he must be owened countless times by every day gym rats on a weekly basis :D
then again he probably "trains" in his home gym,,that he built because he couldnt stand the "toxic" number of people in the gym :D,,too many people take the equipment away from him,,it hurts the intensity! :D
gotta love prince ;)
good boy,,,,,,NOT!
Give us some info about ORville.
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what is there to say? chad fucked him up most likely some how some where,,if its not out its for a reason,,you cant prove wrong doing when you are aware of what you take and do it anyway way before someone started to work with you,,thats why no case is winnable in court for a bodybuilder or powerlifter when it comes to drugs,,we use it all the time and we become collectors of the items,,we cant blame anyone but ourselves in the final run,and thats why courts wont even pee twards our direction,,infact they might arrest throw us behind bars just for the heck of it :D
the anastisia stories are all nice,,like the nicole vicky stories are good,,stories are nice,,i always like stories,,my favorite story is the sleeping beauty
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what is there to say? chad fucked him up most likely some how some where,,if its not out its for a reason,,you cant prove wrong doing when you are aware of what you take and do it anyway way before someone started to work with you,,thats why no case is winnable in court for a bodybuilder or powerlifter when it comes to drugs,,we use it all the time and we become collectors of the items,,we cant blame anyone but ourselves in the final run,and thats why courts wont even pee twards our direction,,infact they might arrest throw us behind bars just for the heck of it :D
the anastisia stories are all nice,,like the nicole vicky stories are good,,stories are nice,,i always like stories,,my favorite story is the sleeping beauty
Thanks. How is he doing today?
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what is there to say? chad fucked him up most likely some how some where,,if its not out its for a reason,,you cant prove wrong doing when you are aware of what you take and do it anyway way before someone started to work with you,,thats why no case is winnable in court for a bodybuilder or powerlifter when it comes to drugs,,we use it all the time and we become collectors of the items,,we cant blame anyone but ourselves in the final run,and thats why courts wont even pee twards our direction,,infact they might arrest throw us behind bars just for the heck of it :D
the anastisia stories are all nice,,like the nicole vicky stories are good,,stories are nice,,i always like stories,,my favorite story is the sleeping beauty
Wow Bingo!!! Now we see why this case is so hiden and nobody talk!!!
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I had never heard that Orville was working for Trump until today.
http://www.getbig.com/almanac/men/men-b.htm
Here's another snippet about him working for Trump. :)
GH- what is the Nicole Vicky story? ???
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http://www.getbig.com/almanac/men/men-b.htm
Here's another snippet about him working for Trump. :)
GH- what is the Nicole Vicky story? ???
I think thats anna nicole smith????
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Orville did work for the Trump Org. as a security guard for a few years, but I believe he was one of several security guards who worked at the Trump HQ on 5th Avenue at the front desk and lobby area. From my conversations with Orville, I do not believe he was part of Trump's personal security detail. It is extremely doubtful that this security position provides any financial benefit today.
Orville trained at several gyms in Brooklyn and Manhattan, including Steel Gym on 23rd, Hardcore downtown, 5th Avenue Gym in Brooklyn, and Golds in Brooklyn Heights. Other notable Brooklyn Heights Gold's Gym patrons: Nick Lachey, Beyonce Knowles, and Special Ed.
Orville was a quiet guy and very private. When he told friends that he was gonna win the Night of Champions in 2001 and someone (me) posted that online, Orville got very upset.
Orville was married to a very nice professional (non-industry) woman. She worked full-time and was very $upportive of Orville.
When I hung out with him in 2001, he told me his contract with Iron-Tek was paying him $12,000 PER YEAR. At the time Iron-Tek was owned/controlled by Steve Weinberger. Orville could have gotten much more money from another company but he was loyal to Steve. In May, 2001, Orville won the Night of Champions ($15,000). He surprised many people by taking 6th at the Olympia that year ($25,000). He never parlayed his placings into a meaningful or lucrative endorsement contract. 2001 was by far his most lucrative year as a Pro in terms of contest earnings. In 2002, he only competed once and took 9th at the Olympia.
Orville used to use Victor Munoz as his contest-prep/trainer/guru. During the taping of Battle for the Olympia 2000, Victor wanted Orville to give him a "plug" as his trainer and asked Orville to do this to help Victor's PT business and reputation. Orville refused, stating that he felt it would look amateurish for a 'Pro' to admit to having a 'trainer'. After that Victor no longer worked with Orville. I liked Victor and his training methods a lot and he went on to help Victor Martinez and Wong Hong get their pro cards and achieve great results.
I lost touch with Orville sometime in 2002. People who would know more about him would be Weinberger, Victor Munoz, Victor Martinez, NPC National contender Kert McLean, who also trained at Gold's at that time and was in the loop, and former NPC National contender Ron Brown who trained at Steel but knows everything about everyone.
Special "The Source" Ed
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what is there to say? chad fucked him up most likely some how some where,,if its not out its for a reason,,you cant prove wrong doing when you are aware of what you take and do it anyway way before someone started to work with you,,thats why no case is winnable in court for a bodybuilder or powerlifter when it comes to drugs,,we use it all the time and we become collectors of the items,,we cant blame anyone but ourselves in the final run,and thats why courts wont even pee twards our direction,,infact they might arrest throw us behind bars just for the heck of it :D
the anastisia stories are all nice,,like the nicole vicky stories are good,,stories are nice,,i always like stories,,my favorite story is the sleeping beauty
Is there any information about Orville Burke, in terms of his current health condition? Why isn't anyone talking about this? Why is CHAD still allowed to advise people? What is with all this bullshit about giving people crushed pills, and the client NOT knowing what they're taking? This sort of b.s should be out-lawed.
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http://www.getbig.com/almanac/men/men-b.htm
Here's another snippet about him working for Trump. :)
GH- what is the Nicole Vicky story? ???
Orville was/is good friends with Trump. I read an interview where Orville said that there would always be a job there for him when he retired from BB, this was about 5-6 years ago. I hope he is doing OK, very weird how no one knows much about this.
SERGIO!!!!
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In 2002 Orville Burke had tricep surgery for a tear he got while doing a photoshoot with a photographer who insists on the pros using max weights during the shoot, he was up to his eyes in juice at the time, and the doctors strongly recommended he did not have go under in this state, due to unstable blood pressure,
Big Orville didnt wake up from that Op for 6 weeks,
what happened next?
anyone know ???
I heard he went in for a very routine elbow surgery and it developed into a serious infection. Who knows. I hope he's doing alright.
PB
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thank God he's still alive. He almost became another casualty of this great sport we call bodybuilding :)
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One thing about Chad...
No matter what claims have been made about alleged past damage and very sick athletes, they all see the condition that Ronnie brings consistently, and many accept the risk.
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In 2002 Orville Burke had tricep surgery for a tear he got while doing a photoshoot with a photographer who insists on the pros using max weights during the shoot, he was up to his eyes in juice at the time, and the doctors strongly recommended he did not have go under in this state, due to unstable blood pressure,
Big Orville didnt wake up from that Op for 6 weeks,
what happened next?
anyone know ???
BUMP!!!
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You have to hand it to pro bodybuilders. Despite all the health risks and low paychecks, they keep injecting themselves for our entertainment.
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You have to hand it to pro bodybuilders. Despite all the health risks and low paychecks, they keep injecting themselves for our entertainment.
Right.
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You have to hand it to pro bodybuilders. Despite all the health risks and low paychecks, they keep injecting themselves for our entertainment.
It's not for your entertainment...it's for their continued delusion that the rewards outweigh the risks. With the steroid crackdown and the mass media hysteria, it's only a matter of time before EVERY SINGLE PRO is having their homes raided and telephones tapped.
The risks have increased, but have the rewards?
Special "ThoughtCriminal" Ed
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With the steroid crackdown and the mass media hysteria, it's only a matter of time before EVERY SINGLE PRO is having their homes raided and telephones tapped.
Yeah, don't think that one is happening. What is it the authorities are waiting for? However, it would be hysterical to see 40 pros go to jail, then come out minus 50lbs of muscle.
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yep what gh15 is probably true, surgery etc just a smoke screen.
as for money, orville was rumored to have some female benefactors...
lots of rich female lawyers etc in the NY area, several "sponsor" strippers and bodybuilders.
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It was posted on here by someone who also set Orville was financially comfortable. Hopefully the latter is correct.
OB used to work for donald trump.
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"Apparently it took him a while just to learn how to walk and talk again"
I spoke to alot of his friends who said this also. I saw him a few months after this happened crossing the street with his wife. He wa walking very much like someone who had a stroke. I didn't recognize him at 1st because he was obviously alot smaller at the point. If it wasn't for his wife i probably wouldn't have recognized him.
I was told by many of his friends that he had a hard time differenciating between his long and short term memory. According to his friends, his wife is very private and wants to keep him away from his former life and the bodybuilding crowd. That's more than likely the cause of the lack of info about Orville as opposed to anyone trying to keep it quiet
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It's not for your entertainment...it's for their continued delusion that the rewards outweigh the risks. With the steroid crackdown and the mass media hysteria, it's only a matter of time before EVERY SINGLE PRO is having their homes raided and telephones tapped.
The risks have increased, but have the rewards?
Special "ThoughtCriminal" Ed
lol....I think being big and invincible, at least that's what they think, outweighs the risks.... :)
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In 2002 Orville Burke had tricep surgery for a tear he got while doing a photoshoot with a photographer who insists on the pros using max weights during the shoot, he was up to his eyes in juice at the time, and the doctors strongly recommended he did not have go under in this state, due to unstable blood pressure,
Big Orville didnt wake up from that Op for 6 weeks,
what happened next?
anyone know ???
BUMP!!!
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That was during the Battle for the Olympia 2000. He turned 44 last week actually, but claims to be 45 for some reason.
A year faster to get senior concession card?
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why didnt they just give orville some weed and alcohol for his surgery instead of those dangerous compounds? doctors are fuckin stupid
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what is there to say? chad fucked him up most likely some how some where,,if its not out its for a reason,,you cant prove wrong doing when you are aware of what you take and do it anyway way before someone started to work with you,,thats why no case is winnable in court for a bodybuilder or powerlifter when it comes to drugs,,we use it all the time and we become collectors of the items,,we cant blame anyone but ourselves in the final run,and thats why courts wont even pee twards our direction,,infact they might arrest throw us behind bars just for the heck of it :D
the anastisia stories are all nice,,like the nicole vicky stories are good,,stories are nice,,i always like stories,,my favorite story is the sleeping beauty
Gh - when you say anastisia do you mean anesthesia? are you implying that the injury/surgery/anesthesia story is completely fabricated - a coverup of what really happened???
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where does everyone get that story about what happened to Orville - was it just one tiny paragraph in an old issue of Flex magazine - that's the only place I ever remember seeing it
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I'll just ad my 2 cents. I was a med student, and Anabolic pharmacology is not something med students study at all. I am into bodybuilding so that was something I studied quite a bit more than my fellow class mates.There can be complications involved when a high level of ( AAS ) has been used prior to surgery. Precautionary measures should be taken by both the surgeons and the patient. All I'm saying is if you have to undergo surgery involving anesthesia . IE..( Not local ) Just tell your surgeon and there are many things to look for and prevent to make sure you will have very little to no complications. ( When surgery is involved though ) anything can happen.
On that note. I hope Orville is doing well. Never have I heard anyone say one negative word about the man.
**** Life is short my friends. Cherish it !
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Roc Shabazz told me at Jr Usa's in 06 that Orville was in a nursing home -- not sure if he said he was walking but not fully functioning as an adult
--I met him when I won teen states, he guest posed, was a nice guy
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I did a phone interview with Orville a few months after he had returned home after being released, and although his speech was slower, he was either mis-informed by his doc or under the dis-illusion, that he would be training again soon. He said he couldn't wait to get back to it, and what are you supposed to say to that? After that, the phone numbers changed as they often do, and I haven't heard anyone talk to him in a while.
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I did a phone interview with Orville a few months after he had returned home after being released, and although his speech was slower, he was either mis-informed by his doc or under the dis-illusion, that he would be training again soon. He said he couldn't wait to get back to it, and what are you supposed to say to that? After that, the phone numbers changed as they often do, and I haven't heard anyone talk to him in a while.
Seems like a lot of people had contact with Orville (directly or indirectly) immediately following the accident. But then that's where information becomes sparse.
Now we have that Orville may have been in a nursing home, he may or may not have been walking properly, and others say his speech is slurred.
Was there someone on the grassy knoll (judging panel) that wanted Orville off the contest stage? :-X
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His story is very sad.... Wasted talent
God bless him
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His story is very sad.... Wasted talent
God bless him
Yes, he was an awesome pro. Much better than the guys today.
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Let me set the record straight about Orville
-not a nice guy at all
-borrowed lots of money from training partners and friends and conveniently forgot about it
-had one of the guys mentioned by Special Ed drive him to and from the gym every day for months, train with him for the O, only to never even thank him
-got kicked out of more than one gym for being rude to paying members
-left his tiny 1 BR apt only to train and go to church, otherwise played video games and read comics all day
-married Kiki only because she promised to take care of him financially
-moved to NJ after his surgery and never fully recovered
-asked the former owners of Steel Gym to pay all his travel expenses going to the O and never mentioned the gym in an interview or thanked the owners
-did the same thing to the owner of Hardcore Fitness when competing as an amateur
sixpackabs
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Let me set the record straight about Orville
-not a nice guy at all
-borrowed lots of money from training partners and friends and conveniently forgot about it
-had one of the guys mentioned by Special Ed drive him to and from the gym every day for months, train with him for the O, only to never even thank him
-got kicked out of more than one gym for being rude to paying members
-left his tiny 1 BR apt only to train and go to church, otherwise played video games and read comics all day
-married Kiki only because she promised to take care of him financially
-moved to NJ after his surgery and never fully recovered
-asked the former owners of Steel Gym to pay all his travel expenses going to the O and never mentioned the gym in an interview or thanked the owners
-did the same thing to the owner of Hardcore Fitness when competing as an amateur
sixpackabs
Show us proofs.
Thank you in advance!
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Let me set the record straight about Orville
-not a nice guy at all
-borrowed lots of money from training partners and friends and conveniently forgot about it
-had one of the guys mentioned by Special Ed drive him to and from the gym every day for months, train with him for the O, only to never even thank him
-got kicked out of more than one gym for being rude to paying members
-left his tiny 1 BR apt only to train and go to church, otherwise played video games and read comics all day
-married Kiki only because she promised to take care of him financially
-moved to NJ after his surgery and never fully recovered
-asked the former owners of Steel Gym to pay all his travel expenses going to the O and never mentioned the gym in an interview or thanked the owners
-did the same thing to the owner of Hardcore Fitness when competing as an amateur
sixpackabs
was a typical bodybuilder then
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Lifes to short to be a tiny tit 202 competitor
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There was a thread about Orville about a month ago over at MD. Had some information that usually doesn't show up on boards, might want to go check it out.
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Steve Namat, what proof do you want? Just do your research and talk to people in the know.
It's mindbogling to me, how ignorant some people are when it comes to the pro's. Trust me, there are a lot more out there who live day by day and are as lazy as Orville was.
What goes around, comes around. Ever heard that saying? That's what happened to Orville.
sixpackabs
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Steve Namat, what proof do you want? Just do your research and talk to people in the know.
It's mindbogling to me, how ignorant some people are when it comes to the pro's. Trust me, there are a lot more out there who live day by day and are as lazy as Orville was.
What goes around, comes around. Ever heard that saying? That's what happened to Orville.
sixpackabs
OK, I know what you mean.
But for example I came from a small county where I was the #1 bodybuilder and I heard all the stories about myself... When you are on the the top or near the top in something (somewhere) then the stories are coming from everywhere...
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i wonder if prince even enter a public gym these days with sleevless shirt or t shirt and not a big baggy tommy xxl long and warm wintery made of towel material shirt typa thing ;)
take it from a pro,,its the worst feeling of the day to enter a gym and see someone that is more muscular and cut and/or bigger than you,, wether its a pro or just a joe shmoe,,especially when your life is bodybuilding,,
now think about thomas,,in getbig famous words he must be owened countless times by every day gym rats on a weekly basis :D
then again he probably "trains" in his home gym,,that he built because he couldnt stand the "toxic" number of people in the gym :D,,too many people take the equipment away from him,,it hurts the intensity! :D
gotta love prince ;)
good boy,,,,,,NOT!
I love how GH15's English actually used to be better and has gotten WORSE over the years. Should it not have been the other way around? ::)
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Let me set the record straight about Orville
-not a nice guy at all
-borrowed lots of money from training partners and friends and conveniently forgot about it
-had one of the guys mentioned by Special Ed drive him to and from the gym every day for months, train with him for the O, only to never even thank him
-got kicked out of more than one gym for being rude to paying members
-left his tiny 1 BR apt only to train and go to church, otherwise played video games and read comics all day-married Kiki only because she promised to take care of him financially
-moved to NJ after his surgery and never fully recovered
-asked the former owners of Steel Gym to pay all his travel expenses going to the O and never mentioned the gym in an interview or thanked the owners
-did the same thing to the owner of Hardcore Fitness when competing as an amateur
sixpackabs
sounds like typical NCAA athlete or NFL'er
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Let me set the record straight about Orville
-not a nice guy at all
-borrowed lots of money from training partners and friends and conveniently forgot about it
-had one of the guys mentioned by Special Ed drive him to and from the gym every day for months, train with him for the O, only to never even thank him
-got kicked out of more than one gym for being rude to paying members
-left his tiny 1 BR apt only to train and go to church, otherwise played video games and read comics all day
-married Kiki only because she promised to take care of him financially
-moved to NJ after his surgery and never fully recovered
-asked the former owners of Steel Gym to pay all his travel expenses going to the O and never mentioned the gym in an interview or thanked the owners
-did the same thing to the owner of Hardcore Fitness when competing as an amateur
sixpackabs
seems like a regular pro
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Orville did work for the Trump Org. as a security guard for a few years, but I believe he was one of several security guards who worked at the Trump HQ on 5th Avenue at the front desk and lobby area. From my conversations with Orville, I do not believe he was part of Trump's personal security detail. It is extremely doubtful that this security position provides any financial benefit today.
Orville trained at several gyms in Brooklyn and Manhattan, including Steel Gym on 23rd, Hardcore downtown, 5th Avenue Gym in Brooklyn, and Golds in Brooklyn Heights. Other notable Brooklyn Heights Gold's Gym patrons: Nick Lachey, Beyonce Knowles, and Special Ed.
Orville was a quiet guy and very private. When he told friends that he was gonna win the Night of Champions in 2001 and someone (me) posted that online, Orville got very upset.
Orville was married to a very nice professional (non-industry) woman. She worked full-time and was very $upportive of Orville.
When I hung out with him in 2001, he told me his contract with Iron-Tek was paying him $12,000 PER YEAR. At the time Iron-Tek was owned/controlled by Steve Weinberger. Orville could have gotten much more money from another company but he was loyal to Steve. In May, 2001, Orville won the Night of Champions ($15,000). He surprised many people by taking 6th at the Olympia that year ($25,000). He never parlayed his placings into a meaningful or lucrative endorsement contract. 2001 was by far his most lucrative year as a Pro in terms of contest earnings. In 2002, he only competed once and took 9th at the Olympia.
Orville used to use Victor Munoz as his contest-prep/trainer/guru. During the taping of Battle for the Olympia 2000, Victor wanted Orville to give him a "plug" as his trainer and asked Orville to do this to help Victor's PT business and reputation. Orville refused, stating that he felt it would look amateurish for a 'Pro' to admit to having a 'trainer'. After that Victor no longer worked with Orville. I liked Victor and his training methods a lot and he went on to help Victor Martinez and Wong Hong get their pro cards and achieve great results.
I lost touch with Orville sometime in 2002. People who would know more about him would be Weinberger, Victor Munoz, Victor Martinez, NPC National contender Kert McLean, who also trained at Gold's at that time and was in the loop, and former NPC National contender Ron Brown who trained at Steel but knows everything about everyone.
Special "The Source" Ed
Great info!!! If not for Special Ed, I would be serving time in PRISON as we speak.
PS - some pictures of Orville here:
http://tinyurl.com/yz6crq2
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-left his tiny 1 BR apt only to train and go to church, otherwise played video games and read comics all day
Sweet.
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Sweet.
LOL! I was thinking the same thing but was too ashamed to admit it. I'm not into comics but there is a hell of a lot of books I have on my list that I'd like to read if I had the free time.
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Sweet.
Tell me about it, I was also thinking the same thing.
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Let me set the record straight about Orville
-not a nice guy at all
-borrowed lots of money from training partners and friends and conveniently forgot about it
-had one of the guys mentioned by Special Ed drive him to and from the gym every day for months, train with him for the O, only to never even thank him
-got kicked out of more than one gym for being rude to paying members
-left his tiny 1 BR apt only to train and go to church, otherwise played video games and read comics all day
-married Kiki only because she promised to take care of him financially
-moved to NJ after his surgery and never fully recovered
-asked the former owners of Steel Gym to pay all his travel expenses going to the O and never mentioned the gym in an interview or thanked the owners
-did the same thing to the owner of Hardcore Fitness when competing as an amateur
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sounds like you knew him very well. I failed to mention him being an asshole because my mother always said not to speak ill of the dead. Desmond Miller reminds me a lot of Orville in terms of his delusions, his arrogance, his Caribbean heritage and his massive laZiness, relying on his wife to hold down a job while he hones his Xbox skillz.
All you need to know about Orville is the Munoz story. Victor is a decent guy who was helping Orville for free. All he asked in return was for a simple plug in the BTFO video and Orville wouldn't do it. My dealings with the Burkes revealed a very paranoid and self absorbed couple convinced that everyone was screwing them over, which I've since learned is a common trait in those who themselves are not to be trusted.
Namat, don't everkid yourself into believing you can make a living or career out of pro bodybuilding without spending significant time at Weinberger's Powerhouse Gym paying tribute to Steve. From Orville to Victor Martinez to Kevin English to new pro Jeff Long, the road to Success for any non magazine guy goes through Steve. Find a good steady job and don't give it up for the $4,000 show money at the Olympia
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Let me set the record straight about Orville
-not a nice guy at all
-borrowed lots of money from training partners and friends and conveniently forgot about it
-had one of the guys mentioned by Special Ed drive him to and from the gym every day for months, train with him for the O, only to never even thank him
-got kicked out of more than one gym for being rude to paying members
-left his tiny 1 BR apt only to train and go to church, otherwise played video games and read comics all day
-married Kiki only because she promised to take care of him financially
-moved to NJ after his surgery and never fully recovered
-asked the former owners of Steel Gym to pay all his travel expenses going to the O and never mentioned the gym in an interview or thanked the owners
-did the same thing to the owner of Hardcore Fitness when competing as an amateur
sixpackabs
Wasn't he working for Trump Towers--Security and he was getting a decent paycheck? So he could afford a car, rides, etc...or are they not paid well?
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Wasn't working for Trump Towers--Security and he was getting a decent paycheck? So he could afford a car, rides, etc...or are they not paid well?
I imagine he was paid pretty well. It may be difficult to make a lot of money but it is not difficult to spend a lot of money. Perhaps he was a big spender?
Special Ed = true getbig millionaire [even though he is humble and to my knowledge has not said this].
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I imagine he was paid pretty well. It may be difficult to make a lot of money but it is not difficult to spend a lot of money. Perhaps he was a big spender?
Special Ed = true getbig millionaire [even though he is humble and to my knowledge has not said this].
True, he seemed kinda cheap though, something about his upbringing in Jamaica...saw a pic of him with Don Turmp in Flex one time. From what I read it seemed like he was doing well with his job...his wife looked kinda rundown though (meaning way older than him)...maybe truth to him sponging off of her.
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True, he seemed kinda cheap though, something about his upbringing in Jamaica...saw a pic of him with Don Turmp in Flex one time. From what I read it seemed like he was doing well with his job...his wife looked kinda rundown though (meaning way older than him)...maybe truth to him sponging off of her.
It's possible. I don't think everyone in this thread is lying. He came across as a nice guy in the BFTO 2000 DVD but then again, it's not hard to put on a nice front for a short segment. Still too bad what happened to him. I was looking forward to him giving Ronnie a run for his money although looking back, I don't think that would have happened. Still, great size and shape. 2001 was a great year for him.
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It's possible. I don't think everyone in this thread is lying. He came across as a nice guy in the BFTO 2000 DVD but then again, it's not hard to put on a nice front for a short segment. Still too bad what happened to him. I was looking forward to him giving Ronnie a run for his money although looking back, I don't think that would have happened. Still, great size and shape. 2001 was a great year for him.
i don't think he really could have given Ronnie a run...Orville had that thick skin look, like Vic Richards. The fact that he had high lats and a very small waist gave the illusion that he was wide mofo and big as hell. I don't think he really could have improved much, wasn't he already in his 40's?
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He urinated and defecated on his bedsheets when he came out of his coma. The nursing staff had to clean him up.
I've done that more than a few times after a night spent drinking rum.
It's nothing to be ashamed of.
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It's safe to say that Orville Burke was a man with muscles, any doubt about it?
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well now there is some doubt about it..........but yes, 5 or so years ago, he was a man with muscles. No doubt about it at that time.
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intriguing thread.....
Dude had massive potential......better structure than Ronnie....but Ronnie was a beast and the rest is history
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sounds like you knew him very well. I failed to mention him being an asshole because my mother always said not to speak ill of the dead. Desmond Miller reminds me a lot of Orville in terms of his delusions, his arrogance, his Caribbean heritage and his massive laZiness, relying on his wife to hold down a job while he hones his Xbox skillz.
All you need to know about Orville is the Munoz story. Victor is a decent guy who was helping Orville for free. All he asked in return was for a simple plug in the BTFO video and Orville wouldn't do it. My dealings with the Burkes revealed a very paranoid and self absorbed couple convinced that everyone was screwing them over, which I've since learned is a common trait in those who themselves are not to be trusted.
Namat, don't everkid yourself into believing you can make a living or career out of pro bodybuilding without spending significant time at Weinberger's Powerhouse Gym paying tribute to Steve. From Orville to Victor Martinez to Kevin English to new pro Jeff Long, the road to Success for any non magazine guy goes through Steve. Find a good steady job and don't give it up for the $4,000 show money at the Olympia
can you get me a job?
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can you get me a job?
Sure. G4P starts at $35/hour. Meet me in the back room at Golds Venice. I'll bring the lotion. You bring the chalk. If I cross the chalk line, you get to spank me. No homo.
And again, Orville was one of hundreds of security guards in the Trump building Checking IDs at $9.25/hr. I took a photo with Lars Ulrich once but it doesn't make me Metallica's manager.
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intriguing thread.....
Dude had massive potential......better structure than Ronnie....but Ronnie was a beast and the rest is history
true...but thats whats make Ronnie who he is..he DID had a winning carreer, while the others are just speculation...
Just like Brock in MMA...when he win the same number of oponents and the same league of oponnents as the best fighters in the world, he is just a 'promisse', which really means nothing
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Sure. G4P starts at $35/hour. Meet me in the back room at Golds Venice. I'll bring the lotion. You bring the chalk. If I cross the chalk line, you get to spank me. No homo.
And again, Orville was one of hundreds of security guards in the Trump building Checking IDs at $9.25/hr. I took a photo with Lars Ulrich once but it doesn't make me Metallica's manager.
Bwa ha ha ha!
Kind of like Garrert Downing who claimed to be a Mental Health Technician at a local hospital. It doesn't count when you work as the 4th Floor 'enviormental sanitation engineer' for a few days and quit because it is getting in the way of his 'bodybuilding career'. Oh, brother! ::)
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Bwa ha ha ha!
Kind of like Garrert Downing who claimed to be a Mental Health Technician at a local hospital. It doesn't count when you work as the 4th Floor 'enviormental sanitation engineer' for a few days and quit because it is getting in the way of his 'bodybuilding career'. Oh, brother! ::)
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Hey Blockhead.
Which bodybuilders HAVE earned your respect and why?
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Bwa ha ha ha!
Kind of like Garrert Downing who claimed to be a Mental Health Technician at a local hospital. It doesn't count when you work as the 4th Floor 'enviormental sanitation engineer' for a few days and quit because it is getting in the way of his 'bodybuilding career'. Oh, brother! ::)
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That explains Downing's muskrat hairdo. He always looked like he needed to see a Mental Health Tech
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Heard he was training for MMA with Chris Cook. Team Ebony and ivory.
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Orville was going to be the next Masters Olympia winner no doubt but when he fell ill that was it, now he has more problems than just injecting.Poor guy he was a true gentleman just like Vince taylor.
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True, he seemed kinda cheap though, something about his upbringing in Jamaica...saw a pic of him with Don Turmp in Flex one time. From what I read it seemed like he was doing well with his job...his wife looked kinda rundown though (meaning way older than him)...maybe truth to him sponging off of her.
flex magazine is so bad for blowing stuff out up "Orville was Donald trumps personal ninja = Orville working the front desk with a walkie talkie" or " bob chick stars in dodgeball alongside the stars = bob getting a small part and on screen for 30 seconds"
Flex should have realized that stuff like this gets found out the era of making up fairytale lives for bodybuilders has been dead since the early 80's
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he was a true gentleman just like Vince taylor.
Is this true? ???
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Nope. I'm fascinated and terrified at stories like this though. There but for the grace of God go any of us. Would be interesting to hear details of the coma, how he was treated by companies/ mags/ industry afterwards, his rehab, and what he's doing now.
Heck, he should register here. Could probably add some levity and honesty to a place where many pros say things to keep the stringsmen happy. orv would probably shoot us pretty straight.
not sure if you meant you wanna hear about this particular story or similar doctor horror stories...
i had to get surgery on my knee, so the doc had to put me out. Im a big guy (235-240) so i specifically told the doctor to give me enough anesthesia , even a lil more than usual just to be safe cuz i didnt care about the money, the insurance would pay it, and i would gladly pay for the extra anesthesia.
so the doc puts me down, it was actually cool, all of a sudden you mind goes blank, but i sear at some point i woke up in the middle of the procedure. i could see the fucking doctor and the nurses , i could see evrything i .i couldnt open my eyes all the way though i dont know why. i was SCREAMING to the docs to give me more anesthesia, but the docs couldnt hear me. it was one of the most terrifying expreiences. like i could hear my own voice screaming, but noone could hear me.
now you might be thinking that i was hallucinating or it was all in my head, but here is where it gets good.. i gathered all my strength and i tried kicking as hard as i can, and apparently it worked cuz i clearly heard the doc say " he's fighting" and saw a nurse move and a lil after that it all went blank again ( im guesisng the nurse gave me more anesthesia)
i was fucking scared and pissed off for weeks... godforbid if i have to get another surgery i'll make the doc sign some shit saying he'll give me 1.5 time the amount of normal anesthesia he give the under 200lb twinks
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That's too long to read!
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not sure if you meant you wanna hear about this particular story or similar doctor horror stories...
i had to get surgery on my knee, so the doc had to put me out. Im a big guy (235-240) so i specifically told the doctor to give me enough anesthesia , even a lil more than usual just to be safe cuz i didnt care about the money, the insurance would pay it, and i would gladly pay for the extra anesthesia.
so the doc puts me down, it was actually cool, all of a sudden you mind goes blank, but i sear at some point i woke up in the middle of the procedure. i could see the fucking doctor and the nurses , i could see evrything i .i couldnt open my eyes all the way though i dont know why. i was SCREAMING to the docs to give me more anesthesia, but the docs couldnt hear me. it was one of the most terrifying expreiences. like i could hear my own voice screaming, but noone could hear me.
now you might be thinking that i was hallucinating or it was all in my head, but here is where it gets good.. i gathered all my strength and i tried kicking as hard as i can, and apparently it worked cuz i clearly heard the doc say " he's fighting" and saw a nurse move and a lil after that it all went blank again ( im guesisng the nurse gave me more anesthesia)
i was fucking scared and pissed off for weeks... godforbid if i have to get another surgery i'll make the doc sign some shit saying he'll give me 1.5 time the amount of normal anesthesia he give the under 200lb twinks
i have bad sleep problems due to stress.. i get this all the time.. its called night terrors when. i go to sleep.. your eyes open but your body is paralyszed... its scary when u have a nightmare at this time... i once dreamed of a ghost holding me down and i just saw my room but could do nothing.. has to due with the part of your brain waking up that controls eyes...but the rest of your brain thtcontrols the body is aslep still
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sounds like you knew him very well. I failed to mention him being an asshole because my mother always said not to speak ill of the dead. Desmond Miller reminds me a lot of Orville in terms of his delusions, his arrogance, his Caribbean heritage and his massive laZiness, relying on his wife to hold down a job while he hones his Xbox skillz.
All you need to know about Orville is the Munoz story. Victor is a decent guy who was helping Orville for free. All he asked in return was for a simple plug in the BTFO video and Orville wouldn't do it. My dealings with the Burkes revealed a very paranoid and self absorbed couple convinced that everyone was screwing them over, which I've since learned is a common trait in those who themselves are not to be trusted.
Namat, don't everkid yourself into believing you can make a living or career out of pro bodybuilding without spending significant time at Weinberger's Powerhouse Gym paying tribute to Steve. From Orville to Victor Martinez to Kevin English to new pro Jeff Long, the road to Success for any non magazine guy goes through Steve. Find a good steady job and don't give it up for the $4,000 show money at the Olympia
Let me guess , you did some research on Orville , found him and his wife to be unaccomodating to you , and now you are giving him flack online through your `GIMMCK - Sixpackabs.You also spoke to Munoz and he gave you his side of things yeh ?
All those things mentioned , trust me if someone doesnt like you , they can always make you look bad
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i have bad sleep problems due to stress.. i get this all the time.. its called night terrors when. i go to sleep.. your eyes open but your body is paralyszed... its scary when u have a nightmare at this time... i once dreamed of a ghost holding me down and i just saw my room but could do nothing.. has to due with the part of your brain waking up that controls eyes...but the rest of your brain thtcontrols the body is aslep still
ive heard people describe this, they always mention that they are being held down by a demon/ghost too
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Let me guess , you did some research on Orville , found him and his wife to be unaccomodating to you , and now you are giving him flack online through your `GIMMCK - Sixpackabs.You also spoke to Munoz and he gave you his side of things yeh ?
All those things mentioned , trust me if someone doesnt like you , they can always make you look bad
Maybe he knows about the Burke's because Special Ed used to moonlight as a 'sports agent' for these fuck-ups known as "bodybuilders" a while back and Orville was on his radar.
Ho mo.
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Let me guess , you did some research on Orville , found him and his wife to be unaccomodating to you , and now you are giving him flack online through your `GIMMCK - Sixpackabs.You also spoke to Munoz and he gave you his side of things yeh ?
All those things mentioned , trust me if someone doesnt like you , they can always make you look bad
I believe Special Ed met Orville at the 2000 Mr. Olympia.
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Let me guess , you did some research on Orville , found him and his wife to be unaccomodating to you , and now you are giving him flack online through your `GIMMCK - Sixpackabs.You also spoke to Munoz and he gave you his side of things yeh ?
All those things mentioned , trust me if someone doesnt like you , they can always make you look bad
I don't do gimmicks. But yes, spoke to both Orville and Munoz at the time. Munoz has always been a straight shooter and good guy who has been with Victor Martinez from close to Day One. Orville was your typical bodybuilder/flaky/unreliable/lazy guy who wouldn't save his grandmother from drowning the day before the Olympia if it would cause him to 'hold water'.
I met with Keke a few times and found her to be a rather typical bodybuilder's wife: Supportive, hardworking, bossy, and resentful of the useless mass that eats all her food, hogs her TV, and sleeps while she works.
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Well?
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I've done that more than a few times after a night spent drinking rum.
It's nothing to be ashamed of.
i dont understand the draw of Rum.
it just gives me rummy tummy. sleepy, groggy and bellyache.
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Sure. G4P starts at $35/hour. Meet me in the back room at Golds Venice. I'll bring the lotion. You bring the chalk. If I cross the chalk line, you get to spank me. No homo.
And again, Orville was one of hundreds of security guards in the Trump building Checking IDs at $9.25/hr. I took a photo with Lars Ulrich once but it doesn't make me Metallica's manager.
Vic Basile was getting twice that hourly rate back in the 70's. Of course he was doing double penetration before it was fashionable.
THE BEEF
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i dont understand the draw of Rum.
it just gives me rummy tummy. sleepy, groggy and bellyache.
Sounds like something a sorority blonde girl would say
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Met him in 2001 in Danbury Ct. at a show I did.............Valentin o was there too.
OB was huge,quiet and seemed down to earth with us regular competitors.
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Did he pull through you guys?
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Let me set the record straight about Orville
-not a nice guy at all
-borrowed lots of money from training partners and friends and conveniently forgot about it
-had one of the guys mentioned by Special Ed drive him to and from the gym every day for months, train with him for the O, only to never even thank him
-got kicked out of more than one gym for being rude to paying members
-left his tiny 1 BR apt only to train and go to church, otherwise played video games and read comics all day
-married Kiki only because she promised to take care of him financially
-moved to NJ after his surgery and never fully recovered
-asked the former owners of Steel Gym to pay all his travel expenses going to the O and never mentioned the gym in an interview or thanked the owners
-did the same thing to the owner of Hardcore Fitness when competing as an amateur
sixpackabs
sounds like the typical narcissistic egocentric BB
I'd believe this
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Met him in 2001 in Danbury Ct. at a show I did.............Valentin o was there too.
OB was huge,quiet and seemed down to earth with us regular competitors.
what were you doing all the way in Danbury?
oh ya ..... http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php/119790-Orville-Burke-Sighting!!!!
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Steve Weinberger would be the one to ask. He was very close to Orville and Orville trained at his gym. No doubt he knows all the details. I had never heard that Orville was working for Trump until today.
Yeah he did work for trump. He was a bodyguard flex magazine showed pics in his suit
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Wow....That sound exciting..
Thats what you said when Paco incisted to have you as his personal ball/anus licking asian bitch?