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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: El Diablo Blanco on April 06, 2007, 10:58:00 AM
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People that try the Milos workout for the first time always comment on how sore they were. No Shit. If I tried to run a 26 mile marathon I'm pretty sure my legs will be killing me for weeks. That doesn't mean that I am growing and will be Mr. Olympia one day.
The major problem with the Milos method is that the body will get used to that workout and you will be working nothing more than your cardiovascular system. I'm pretty sure if I trained for a marathon that after a couple weeks the soreness in my legs would go away as well.
The only benefit from the Milos program is to break-up a mundane routine that has grown stagnant. Nothing wrong with working out with pyramid sets, drop set or straight sets for a few months then throwing in a week of the Milos method. Doing his method all the time is not going to entice growth. If it did he would have won more than one show out of the 175 he competed in.
It is especially funny seeing who is commenting on this method. So far there are two asians and one female. Basically people of smaller stature, small bone structures and the inability to grow muscularly as males of other cultures.
Giant sets, super sets, whatever you want to call it. Pounding out 10 curls with 5 lb dumbells, the 10 pound preachers plus 2.5 pound concentration curls is not going to turn you into the hulk. You will simply activate the Type I ( Slow Twitch muscle fibers ) and increase endurance but that's about it.
If I'm going to pay for some cheesy trainer, I'd rather do squats on a swiss ball. HARDCORE!
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How about trying to complete a workout while hogging 10 machines and scattering dumbells all over the gym.
Slightly difficult for people who have real jobs and can't workout at 1pm.
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sarcevs gym is 5minutesfrom my house. Weve had some crazyworkouts there on leg day. Milos knows a thing or two about pain.
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People that try the Milos workout for the first time always comment on how sore they were. No Shit. If I tried to run a 26 mile marathon I'm pretty sure my legs will be killing me for weeks. That doesn't mean that I am growing and will be Mr. Olympia one day.
The major problem with the Milos method is that the body will get used to that workout and you will be working nothing more than your cardiovascular system. I'm pretty sure if I trained for a marathon that after a couple weeks the soreness in my legs would go away as well.
The only benefit from the Milos program is to break-up a mundane routine that has grown stagnant. Nothing wrong with working out with pyramid sets, drop set or straight sets for a few months then throwing in a week of the Milos method. Doing his method all the time is not going to entice growth. If it did he would have won more than one show out of the 175 he competed in.
It is especially funny seeing who is commenting on this method. So far there are two asians and one female. Basically people of smaller stature, small bone structures and the inability to grow muscularly as males of other cultures.
Giant sets, super sets, whatever you want to call it. Pounding out 10 curls with 5 lb dumbells, the 10 pound preachers plus 2.5 pound concentration curls is not going to turn you into the hulk. You will simply activate the Type I ( Slow Twitch muscle fibers ) and increase endurance but that's about it.
If I'm going to pay for some cheesy trainer, I'd rather do squats on a swiss ball. HARDCORE!
How about trying to sprint entire marathon?
Now - THAT would be my goal if I was marathon runner...but I am ...not.
The only problem with my training is: criticising without actually trying...
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sarcevs gym is 5minutesfrom my house. Weve had some crazyworkouts there on leg day. Milos knows a thing or two about pain.
Tomorrow 2 PM - about 10 of us are doing LEGS...Want to join?
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The only problem with my training is: criticising without actually trying...
Exactly!
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People that try the Milos workout for the first time always comment on how sore they were. No Shit. If I tried to run a 26 mile marathon I'm pretty sure my legs will be killing me for weeks. That doesn't mean that I am growing and will be Mr. Olympia one day.
The major problem with the Milos method is that the body will get used to that workout and you will be working nothing more than your cardiovascular system. I'm pretty sure if I trained for a marathon that after a couple weeks the soreness in my legs would go away as well.
The only benefit from the Milos program is to break-up a mundane routine that has grown stagnant. Nothing wrong with working out with pyramid sets, drop set or straight sets for a few months then throwing in a week of the Milos method. Doing his method all the time is not going to entice growth. If it did he would have won more than one show out of the 175 he competed in.
It is especially funny seeing who is commenting on this method. So far there are two asians and one female. Basically people of smaller stature, small bone structures and the inability to grow muscularly as males of other cultures.
Giant sets, super sets, whatever you want to call it. Pounding out 10 curls with 5 lb dumbells, the 10 pound preachers plus 2.5 pound concentration curls is not going to turn you into the hulk. You will simply activate the Type I ( Slow Twitch muscle fibers ) and increase endurance but that's about it.
If I'm going to pay for some cheesy trainer, I'd rather do squats on a swiss ball. HARDCORE!
aren't you the guy who got owned by his wife. refused to do a pullup for her cuz of your next day back workout? ring a bell. next time she asks you come on jump on up there bang out a set show off your manliness. instead of hanging back like a pussy and saying "i dont wanna tire my back before i work it tommorow".
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How about trying to complete a workout while hogging 10 machines and scattering dumbells all over the gym.
Slightly difficult for people who have real jobs and can't workout at 1pm.
I wonder the exact same thing! It's hard enough finding a good gym, but to find an empty one :o ::)
Milos how do you do this type of training with a full gym??? Do you allow your members to do the same??
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Milos. I have no doubt that I probably wouldn't be able to finish the leg workout but I don't try to do 10 excersices back to back with light weight. I also don't like spending a full day in the gym.
No doubt I would do it and feel sick and sore for a few days. The first time I took a karate class and ONLY did stretches, I could barely walk up the stairs for a week. I'm pretty sure from that stretching alone I didn't build massive Olympia quality legs. Your Method is a short term SHOCK program. Nothing more. It is for those that have grown stale from their regular workouts, they will do your high volume routine for a couple weeks then adapt and then return back to the old program and most likely find the weight a little lighter. Shock routines are basic Weider principles wether you do 3,4 or 10 back to back super sets.
Tomorrow 2 PM - about 10 of us are doing LEGS...Want to join?
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The only problem with my training is: criticising without actually trying...
Milos when I was 16 , 17 years ago I tried this routine and still employ it today. This is not new! I have hit many plateaus in my workouts and I need a shock routine to break it up. Supersets do nothing more than build up a resistence to lactic acid buildup which is done through enhancing your endurance and cardiovascular system.
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Here are examples of the type of routines I do:
My quads routine:
4 X squats
4 X leg press
4 X leg extensions
My back routine:
4 X deadlift
4 X t-bar rows
4 X barbell rows
My chest routine:
4 X bench press
4 X incline dumbbells
4 X incline flyes
Going as heavy as possible. These types of workouts have always produced results for me that I'm happy with. The best results? Maybe not, but slow and steady progress. Also, a juiced trainer is a different animal from a natural trainer.
those workouts are all you need Matt.
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Mon of Steele - I see your argument dude. And you are pretty much right about the 100reps with 5lbs dumbbells or whatever everybody joke about. Dude all these "new revolutionary" concepts are made up slightly with a twisted turn by a personal trainer or a professional BB. I mean think about it history repeats itself. If every new decade had a personal trainer or a BB inventing a workout he'd be a millionaire by now. It's like these damn "bowflex" or "abs crap" commercials you see.
But if that's working out for Milos's clients, why not let it be other than voicing your opinion dude.
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So this comment has no merit?
Matt C… Jeez I didn't know that my opinion was so well valued. Thanks for the compliment.
I have been training on a method of Giant sets created by 1972 AAU Mr. America Steve Michalik for a few months. It is very similar to Milos workout but of course not exactly the same. A member on ironage is one of Steve’s clients so he has been giving accounts of his training, results and answering questions people have about the how’s and why’s of this method.
For years I have owned my own business and can train mid-day when the gym is almost empty. I line up several machines and if someone jumps on one I simply go to the next one available and then come back when the other person has finished their set. When you train this way, you can't expect everyone to get out of your way. You have to respect the other members.
Another way to do this that is slightly more practical is to do several drop sets on each exercise but still do several exercises. It's not exactly the same but a little more practical in a busier gym as long as other members aren't waiting for the machine, bench, rack or what have you.
One way that Michalik handles the use of equipment is that he trains 5 to 7 people at a time. If they take 5 to 7 machines, no big deal.
I don't recall Milos ever saying that this method would work in any gym at any time of day. He has a method that works, he’s willing to share it, he has an awesome gym. Personally I’m thankful to Milos for his contributions.
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Tomorrow 2 PM - about 10 of us are doing LEGS...Want to join?
And I wrong in saying most of the workouts consist of tri-setting the same bodyparts with little to know rest?
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Cool.
I would consider it if Steve Michalik wasn't a complete dumb fucking idiot.
In general, I tend not to give much credence to opinions by those who have served time in mental wards. That's just me though!
i think Michalik was crazy and reckless but not dumb.
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Did you see the tool on "The Man whose arms exploded"? He was blamely steroids for all of his problems. Saying that steroids "plant a seed" which later result in cancer, heart disease, stroke, or any other array of chronic illness. Any scientific evidence to prove any of this? 0.
yeah i saw that, he did sound like a jackass when he said that, he is also a hypocrite considering that he was a walking pharmacy when he competed.
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People that try the Milos workout for the first time always comment on how sore they were. No Shit. If I tried to run a 26 mile marathon I'm pretty sure my legs will be killing me for weeks. That doesn't mean that I am growing and will be Mr. Olympia one day.
The major problem with the Milos method is that the body will get used to that workout and you will be working nothing more than your cardiovascular system. I'm pretty sure if I trained for a marathon that after a couple weeks the soreness in my legs would go away as well.
The only benefit from the Milos program is to break-up a mundane routine that has grown stagnant. Nothing wrong with working out with pyramid sets, drop set or straight sets for a few months then throwing in a week of the Milos method. Doing his method all the time is not going to entice growth. If it did he would have won more than one show out of the 175 he competed in.
It is especially funny seeing who is commenting on this method. So far there are two asians and one female. Basically people of smaller stature, small bone structures and the inability to grow muscularly as males of other cultures.
Giant sets, super sets, whatever you want to call it. Pounding out 10 curls with 5 lb dumbells, the 10 pound preachers plus 2.5 pound concentration curls is not going to turn you into the hulk. You will simply activate the Type I ( Slow Twitch muscle fibers ) and increase endurance but that's about it.
If I'm going to pay for some cheesy trainer, I'd rather do squats on a swiss ball. HARDCORE!
How did that back workout go after saving your energy from the playground pullup?
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Did you see the tool on "The Man whose arms exploded"? He was blamely steroids for all of his problems. Saying that steroids "plant a seed" which later result in cancer, heart disease, stroke, or any other array of chronic illness. Any scientific evidence to prove any of this? 0.
The same can be said of people who quite smoking. They become overly enthusianstic in thier newfound lifestyle. But does that qualify as someone who spent time in a mental ward?
And if we want to throw that mud... look at all the people who follow Mentzer.
Let's not go there please. Let's just look at the method and see if it has merit.
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ok my last post was a quote and didn't turn out right. so here we go. mon-of-steele is kinda stupid. he may be buff as hell but he wouldn't even do a pullup to show off to his wife. come on show your manliness not how much estrogen you have. saying you have a back workout the next day is an excuse you use against girls who aren't your wife that way they'll leave you alone and quit trying to get you to cheat on your wife. not something you say so you don't have to show your wife how much a man you are. come on.
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Man, I've got to get out to the west coast and go to Milos gym for a day (I am in New York)! The man has lots of enthusiasm and is very gracious in offering people on the board a chance to try out his gym/workout.
As for how well his program works, what's the risk in trying? I have been using Serge Nubret's methods for a couple of months now and the results have surprised me. I have gained size and broken through a few strength plateaus that I have had for a long time. I did this by using 30% lighter weights than I normally use for my workouts. A total shocker.
I am sure Milos' program might be an eye opener too. Variety is the spice of life!
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And I wrong in saying most of the workouts consist of tri-setting the same bodyparts with little to no rest?
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I do not have the expertise to debate Mentzer and he was very intelligent in a lot of ways. I think his problem was assuming his techniques work perfectly well to everyone, across the board. In his gym workout DVD, he said that some techniques can't work for everyone because not everyone is a genetic freak on steroids - well, that is exactly what he was!
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mikeandraymentzerinthegymdvd.html
When I threw the Mentzer comment in I was referring to his mental "irregularities" as you did with Michalik.
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I haven't researched all of Milos' principles in depth, but there is no guru who has the magic bullet. Naive people will want to believe there is though. That is why there are books promising they have the cures for diabetes or the secrets to living to 120 or whatever else - people who are naive will buy these books of course. People are sometimes irrational, want easy answers, want to forego scientific research, etc, and want to believe there is a magic bullet.
Eat a healthy diet and exercise. Is this clear to everyone? CONSISTENCY is the only secret. I may look like nothing compared to Milos or his team, but I still have random strangers in the gym ask me what special exercises I do to look as I do and so on. It was when I started getting asked these questions that I became aware of the false assumptions people make, e.g., assuming some special techniques exist when they don't.
Special techniques will not make Luke's physique flow together the way Milos' physique did or make Milos' arms as big as Luke's, which should be proof enough there is no secret which can take you past a genetic limit.
My understanding is that Milos is more perceptive and observant (intelligent) than the average guru. He will be faster to recognize a person's needs in the gym and make sure they are accomodated. That is my take on it.
I would not improve beyond 3-5% with Milos by my side 24/7 helping me out. We cannot forget genetics. Maybe a top pro is willing to pay for 3-5% improvements, but I am not. But it is the free market and all the power to Milos for doing well in business. :)
PS - hard work does not always equate to productive work. Ronnie Coleman would probably do better this year if he took it a bit easier.
You are what you THINK...
Mind is that powerful - so with limited perception and limited beliefs you can't expect "exceptional results"...
Well, some of us DO... ;)
I am not a "guru"...and I certainly never wanted to become a "trainer". That was NOT on my list of priorities or even goals...
I became accidental coach and trainer of many champions - as I was asked some questions for years and my answers were bringing exceptional results (IN VARIOUS SPORTS I might add)...
So, to simplify: "Eat a healthy diet and exercise" - is for someone who wants to do just that - eat healthy and exercise...For others that want to achieve ultimate excellence in their chosen occupation (sport in this instance) - you better explore and research EVERYTHING you can to become THE BEST YOU CAN BE in your chosen profession.
Learning is also not a destination...it is a journey - like so many things in life...so once eat healthy becomes eat HEALTHIEST, most efficient diet to accomplish your ultimate goals and find THE BEST METHOD(S) to exercise for the same goal - you'll realize that indeed - like everything in life - there are different LEVELS for everything...and you can stay on beginner's level for life (Matt C's philosophy) or you might want to try something a LITTLE more advanced? ;)
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That's going to be comical. 10 people all working out together.
While we wait for an exercise, we'll have refreshments and a movie playing. ;D
It'll be interesting to say the least!
Waiting?
I don't think so ;).
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You are what you THINK...
Mind is that powerful - so with limited perception and limited beliefs you can't expect "exceptional results"...
Well, some of us DO... ;)
I am not a "guru"...and I certainly never wanted to become a "trainer". That was NOT on my list of priorities or even goals...
I became accidental coach and trainer of many champions - as I was asked some questions for years and my answers were bringing exceptional results (IN VARIOUS SPORTS I might add)...
So, to simplify: "Eat a healthy diet and exercise" - is for someone who wants to do just that - eat healthy and exercise...For others that want to achieve ultimate excellence in their chosen occupation (sport in this instance) - you better explore and research EVERYTHING you can to become THE BEST YOU CAN BE in your chosen profession.
Learning is also not a destination...it is a journey - like so many things in life...so once eat healthy becomes eat HEALTHIEST, most efficient diet to accomplish your ultimate goals and find THE BEST METHOD(S) to exercise for the same goal - you'll realize that indeed - like everything in life - there are different LEVELS for everything...and you can stay on beginner's level for life (Matt C's philosophy) or you might want to try something a LITTLE more advanced? ;)
like steroids ?
why didnt u achieve "ultimate excellence" as a natural ::)
you really dispise "normal /natural "people dont you? it sweats from every of your words, even if you try your best to be hypocrit.
Every people you live with, train etc, are on steroids or other drugs...
Its no "normal" "healthy" or "ultimately excellent" life...
Ok, you think natural people who dont achieve 'ultimate excellence ' (through the use of drugs...) are shites, we get it.
What i think is funny is .... would you be "ultimately excellent" without steroids?
Sorry, but i prefer to admire people who are successful in any aspect of life without the use of drugs...
You re one egocentrical armchair god.
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Waiting?
I don't think so ;).
Even with 10 people you can still have an intense workout, they can all be rotating exercises, u dont need to do squats first.
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How about trying to sprint entire marathon?
Now - THAT would be my goal if I was marathon runner...but I am ...not.
The only problem with my training is: criticising without actually trying...
No, the problem with your training is it cost to much money for many people. Your training isnt anything that hasnt been seen before. Alot of youngins can just read flex or another mag to pick up new exercises.
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Alot of FLEX magazines articles are quesitonalble in design and faults, Milo's may have not won the olympia but how many of us have been pro?? Milo's offers another way of training, u should try it for a while before you knock it. I"m a personal trainer and did an exercise physiology degree and can back Milo's in saying there is alot of merit physioloically to what he says.
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No, the problem with your training is it cost to much money for many people. Your training isnt anything that hasnt been seen before. Alot of youngins can just read flex or another mag to pick up new exercises.
I don't want clients...and I am not promoting my training program.
I am only trying ti give some advanced competitors insight to super intense training style that could do wonders for their physiques (and metabolism) in very short period of time.
As many cannot afford me - filmed Fitshow episodes so everyone could see...
Now I am offering free seminar where I can demonstrate everything and let them try it...
Once and for all - it is not about the money...and NO - giant sets are not my invention...but my training style IS MINE ;)
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What about that "special drink" is that your invention too dude ;D
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Waiting?
I don't think so ;).
trust me, you will enjoy waiting after you have completed your first 10 sets with no rest!!
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No, the problem with your training is it cost to much money for many people. Your training isnt anything that hasnt been seen before. Alot of youngins can just read flex or another mag to pick up new exercises.
hey smart guy, no one's making you buy his training hours. i bet you're the type of asshole who keys someone porsche at the parking lot because you can't afford it yourself.
what a homo. you pay you play. you don't, you don't play.
he has about a half dozen guys who are professional bodybuilders paying him to teach them shit. he obviously knows something. what a stupid argument.
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How can you debate Milos' style of training. Look at him compared to you. The guy is a top 10 Olympia contender.
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How can you debate Milos' style of training. Look at him compared to you. The guy is a top 10 Olympia contender.
this is the mass monster who wouldn't do one pullup for his kids because he had a back workout coming up in 4 days. that's how dedicated he is.
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like steroids ?
why didnt u achieve "ultimate excellence" as a natural ::)
you really despise "normal /natural "people dont you? it sweats from every of your words, even if you try your best to be hypocrit.
Every people you live with, train etc, are on steroids or other drugs...
Its no "normal" "healthy" or "ultimately excellent" life...
Ok, you think natural people who dont achieve 'ultimate excellence ' (through the use of drugs...) are shites, we get it.
What i think is funny is .... would you be "ultimately excellent" without steroids?
Sorry, but i prefer to admire people who are successful in any aspect of life without the use of drugs...
You re one egocentrical armchair god.
:'( :'( :'(
Sensitive, insecure wannabe...and supposedly - natural?
I had more "naturals" confessing that after all - they were not so natural...than any other type of clients.
But, to your satisfaction - I will say YES, I use anabolic steroids for almost 20 years now ;)...I've never lied about using AS (like most of you "naturals" do.... ;))
As we have established - THE loudest people that point fingers are exactly the ones guilty of doing - whatever they are point finger for...Well, at least IN MOST OF THE CASES.
Now, how am I hypocrite?
I admit: I am not natural... and I train number of people in both categories - "naturals" and "not so naturals"...
I don't judge nobody for their decision to USE or NOT TO USE whatever they find necessary, wanted or appropriate.
I already discussed about two exceptional NATURAL athletes that I was preparing last year for the Asian games - Malaysian bodybuilding phenomenons - Leong Teck Liaw (who entered NPC event fully loaded with not so naturals and dominated the class...and COULD HAVE taken the Overall title last year...) and Samad Sazali - 3 times IFBB World champion who was cheated at the Asian games and received SILVER instead of gold medal - which was rightfully his...So, to say that I am proud of my natural friends and clients - is an understatement!
So, what is your point?
As you see - I always answer when 'called out" (contrary to some of the people here ::)) - and I answer direct questions, accusations and attacks.
Again - how am I hypocrite and how (especially WHY?) I despise normal or natural athletes? ::)
Now...what is the problem with you?
Forgot to take your anti-depression medication...or was it something else? ;D
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What about that "special drink" is that your invention too dude ;D
Yo dude...that is off course my invention...Unless you claim is yours? ::)
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hey Milos how much weight do i need to lose ;D
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this is the mass monster who wouldn't do one pullup for his kids because he had a back workout coming up in 4 days. that's how dedicated he is.
Yep genius - you are someone to talk about family values...and AGAIN - I wonder why?
Your daddy doesn't love you...or it is other way around?
My kid is always my #1,2,3,4.....101 priority and THAN comes everything else.
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hey Milos how much weight do i need to lose ;D
Why would you want to lose any?
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Why would you want to lose any?
you don't think i'm fat?
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your big boned ::)
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your big boned ::)
hahahahaha, believe it or not i'm only 235 pounds there.
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you don't think i'm fat?
Fat is relative term...
Yes you are NOT READY to step on bodybuilding stage tomorrow...but you are far away from being fat.
With precise plan - you could compete in 16 weeks or so...
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Fat is relative term...
Yes you are NOT READY to step on bodybuilding stage tomorrow...but you are far away from being fat.
With precise plan - you could compete in 16 weeks or so...
hearing that from you means the world to me man, i'm not kidding, thank you, i'm a heavy straight sets kind of guy but i do some supersets and drop sets, what would you recommend?
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You gotta love it when the nobodies who have done nothing come out of the woodwork to try and discredit a guy who has more experience and knowledge than any of them and has trained champions for so many years. Gotta love it!
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Hey Milos do you still recomend training the left lat on day 1 and the right lat day 5? By the way that workout you came up with where you work the left calf day 2 and the right quad day 7 is working great.
You got it wrong - it is left biceps on day 7 at noon and right triceps on day 11 at midnight...with endorsement from 7/11 ;)
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You gotta love it when the nobodies who have done nothing come out of the woodwork to try and discredit a guy who has more experience and knowledge than any of them and has trained champions for so many years. Gotta love it!
And I do...I love it ;)...
Who doesn't appreciate the egg telling chicken what to do... on the sunday afternoon? ;D
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Milo's,, is there no difference between how you train naturals vs. enhanced?
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I prefer Milos type workouts, the intensity really gets you in the zone. It keeps it intresting and fun every time, muscles looks and feels better, but I also do cardio to be able to lift this way. I have not lost muscle since starting to train this way either. I used to do the traditional 4 - 6 sets heavy weight and then on to the next exercises and so on for 10 - 20 reps, resting 90 seconds. I got up to 220lbs this way. now I rest about 5 - 10 seconds or no rest. I feel much stronger from this. The traditional heavy workouts that I had been using for 10 years left me feeling bored and stagnant. Intensity is key. And I mean crazy intensity. You get used to it after awhile and it's awesome and way more fun. Your body fat levels will remain very low as well. I get a much better insulin response post workout too, muscles feel very good and worked to the max, I'm 200lbs now and feel way better, dropped all my supplements as well. Striations in chest and quads are there all the time now without the need for special diets. I work out this way every day with sub 100g of protein.
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I will say, Milos answers all questions and accusations to their fullest. Pretty funny stuff.
Maybe if he didn't train 90% juiceheads, his training philosophies would be higher held by naturals. After all, I could train Luke Wood and he'd grow. With X amount of gear blasting through your veins, gaining some muslce with a few more cuts, honestly isn't very difficult. Diet and the right gear combination outweight "training principles" any day. Coleman does straight up sets with heavy weight and manage to come in shredded back in 01' 02'. No crazy supersets, etc. Just hard work, gear, and diet.
I'm sure he knows a ton, but it's probably more the gear being dialed in, than the "routine".
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I will say, Milos answers all questions and accusations to their fullest. Pretty funny stuff.
Maybe if he didn't train 90% juiceheads, his training philosophies would be higher held by naturals. After all, I could train Luke Wood and he'd grow. With X amount of gear blasting through your veins, gaining some muslce with a few more cuts, honestly isn't very difficult. Diet and the right gear combination outweight "training principles" any day. Coleman does straight up sets with heavy weight and manage to come in shredded back in 01' 02'. No crazy supersets, etc. Just hard work, gear, and diet.
I'm sure he knows a ton, but it's probably more the gear being dialed in, than the "routine".
I agree ,look at Paul Dillet ,that guy didn't even train ,he was ,way bigger than any of Milo's athletes, Milos can you post a picture of a lifetime natural that you train ?
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Natural female who weight trains - 130lbs. Blood testosterone level = 30ng/dl
Natural male who trains - 190lbs. Testosterone level = 600ng/dl
Steroid using male who trains - 225lbs. 500mg Testosterone pw. Test level = 3000ng/dl
Steroid abusing male who trains - 255lbs. 2000mg Testosterone pw. Test level = 12,000ng/dl
Steroid and growth hormone and insulin abusing male who trains - 300lbs.
It's all about the anabolic hormone levels, and not so much the training style.
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You guys are ignorants who have never seen many juicers and have never trained with juice.
Shut Your mouth.
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You guys are ignorants who have never seen many juicers and have never trained with juice.
Shut Your mouth.
settle down Mothra.
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settle down Mothra.
What is Mothra. Are you talking about that friend of Godzilla? ;D
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AFTER READING THIS THREAD IM SURE THAT MILOS IS GH15.
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What is Mothra. Are you talking about that friend of Godzilla? ;D
;D
(http://gigamoth5.freeservers.com/images/mothra4_wrath_of_bagan.jpg)
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;D
(http://gigamoth5.freeservers.com/images/mothra4_wrath_of_bagan.jpg)
Can you photoshopp with my pics?
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very good build Kyomu.
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very good build Kyomu.
Thanx dad. :D
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hahahahaa, where did you get those funny numbers? Your accountant?
hahahahaha, maybe he's a scientist Garraeth. ::)
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You gotta love it when the nobodies who have done nothing come out of the woodwork to try and discredit a guy who has more experience and knowledge than any of them and has trained champions for so many years. Gotta love it!
You mean getbig's keyboard warriors have to train occasionally between posts? :-\
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You guys are ignorants who have never seen many juicers and have never trained with juice.
Shut Your mouth.
Generally true; the canned assumptions on the differences between natural & juice are hilarious.
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hahahahaa, where did you get those funny numbers? Your accountant?
lol
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Interestingly many proud naturals are first to jump on Skip Lacoure or some other lifetime naturals (like Paul Jean Guillame, Mike Ashley...and even Ronnie Coleman and Darrem Charles for the part of their professional career - when they were claiming to be drug free...)
My two Malaysian friends are PERFECT example...also.
And why?
Many self-proclaimed naturals (this board is filled with those) love to point out how WITH THE JUICE it is oh so easy...(how would they now? ::)) and the only reason why they are not at the level of let's say Skip and my Malaysian friends Zali and Leong - is because - they are "cheating" and for sure using something )contrary to them ::).)
Now, they get insulted if I say something like this about them - but at the same time they have no problem accusing Skip, Tito and my friends (and numerous others) about "cheating"... ::)
At 1997 Mr. Olympia Press conference when Mike Matarazzo was asked something about steroids - he made funny but true statement: "Look at the audience - half of the people in the audience is on more stuff than us - Mr. Olympia competitors..." and everyone laughed...as everyone knew IT IS SO TRUE...
Most of you "so-called naturals" have been unsuccessful in achieving certain level of development and rather than admitting - you would be loud and point fingers...when in reality all you are doing is exposing yourself.
Dog that barks doesn't bite...it is known...
If dog is ready to bite you he would not warn you with all that loud bark...
True naturals are quiet...They don't need to talk and complain...They made their choice and respect others for their choices...When it becomes obsession - it is obvious what is behind...Remember - whatever is in your mind CONSTANTLY and continuasly...it will manifest in your life...sooner or later. ;)
So if you are THINKING about "drug users" you must have drugs on your mind ;)...
But, off course - I will be crucified ;D for saying this...oh well...
However, we all know: TRUTH HURTS - sometimes... ;)
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And just to mention: Leong and Zali trained for 4 months straight - with my giant sets theory, getting in BY FAR THE BEST SHAPE OF THEIR LIVES...and passing every test of IOC labs along the way.
Some professionals (Joel Stubbs) had pleasure to train with these guys and while HALF Joel's size they were very much holding on their own and actually in many exercises surpassing big Joel...
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Milos:
How often do you do these workouts?
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Interestingly many proud naturals are first to jump on Skip Lacoure or some other lifetime naturals (like Paul Jean Guillame, Mike Ashley...and even Ronnie Coleman and Darrem Charles for the part of their professional career - when they were claiming to be drug free...)
My two Malaysian friends are PERFECT example...also.
And why?
Many self-proclaimed naturals (this board is filled with those) love to point out how WITH THE JUICE it is oh so easy...(how would they now? ::)) and the only reason why they are not at the level of let's say Skip and my Malaysian friends Zali and Leong - is because - they are "cheating" and for sure using something )contrary to them ::).)
Now, they get insulted if I say something like this about them - but at the same time they have no problem accusing Skip, Tito and my friends (and numerous others) about "cheating"... ::)
At 1997 Mr. Olympia Press conference when Mike Matarazzo was asked something about steroids - he made funny but true statement: "Look at the audience - half of the people in the audience is on more stuff than us - Mr. Olympia competitors..." and everyone laughed...as everyone knew IT IS SO TRUE...
Most of you "so-called naturals" have been unsuccessful in achieving certain level of development and rather than admitting - you would be loud and point fingers...when in reality all you are doing is exposing yourself.
Dog that barks doesn't bite...it is known...
If dog is ready to bite you he would not warn you with all that loud bark...
True naturals are quiet...They don't need to talk and complain...They made their choice and respect others for their choices...When it becomes obsession - it is obvious what is behind...Remember - whatever is in your mind CONSTANTLY and continuasly...it will manifest in your life...sooner or later. ;)
So if you are THINKING about "drug users" you must have drugs on your mind ;)...
But, off course - I will be crucified ;D for saying this...oh well...
However, we all know: TRUTH HURTS - sometimes... ;)
i fully believe that those two guys are drug free based on those pics, they are ripped and have decent size but they don't have the three dimensional thickness and fullness of a pro drug user.
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Your quick to respond to bashers, but ignore those that have always respected you and wanted to learn from knowledge, thanks anyway.
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Your quick to respond to bashers, but ignore those that have always respected you and wanted to learn from knowledge, thanks anyway.
haha. Yes. Agreed.
He give me a reply in less than 1 sec :-X
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From what I can see, 99% of the questions asked were already answered (such as the one I answered for you in the other thread). Click on Milos' handle to see all his past posts. Lots in them.
Correct also. ;D
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Interestingly many proud naturals are first to jump on Skip Lacoure or some other lifetime naturals (like Paul Jean Guillame, Mike Ashley...and even Ronnie Coleman and Darrem Charles for the part of their professional career - when they were claiming to be drug free...)
True naturals are quiet...They don't need to talk and complain...
Come on now Milos, you don't believe someone like Ashley was natural. WHY on earth are you even mentioning him in this context? He was a perfect example of your loud "natural" with drug free columns in the mags etc. He sure had nice bitch tits. And Darrem was claiming natural and meanwhile he was all Syntholed up in his calves. ::) The reason Darrem claimed natural was that he would have been crucified in his homeland if he admitted to it. He hinted at this in an interview.
You are not an honest man Milos. You know what drugs do inside and out and meanwhile you are trying to sell this ridiculous concept that you can achieve any level of development drug free.
And just to mention: Leong and Zali trained for 4 months straight - with my giant sets theory, getting in BY FAR THE BEST SHAPE OF THEIR LIVES...and passing every test of IOC labs along the way.
Are you saying that they were drug tested several times leading up to the contest? I don't buy it. I don't think the IFBB does out of comp drug tests. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Interestingly many proud naturals are first to jump on Skip Lacoure or some other lifetime naturals (like Paul Jean Guillame, Mike Ashley...and even Ronnie Coleman and Darrem Charles for the part of their professional career - when they were claiming to be drug free...)
My two Malaysian friends are PERFECT example...also.
And why?
Many self-proclaimed naturals (this board is filled with those) love to point out how WITH THE JUICE it is oh so easy...(how would they now? ::)) and the only reason why they are not at the level of let's say Skip and my Malaysian friends Zali and Leong - is because - they are "cheating" and for sure using something )contrary to them ::).)
Now, they get insulted if I say something like this about them - but at the same time they have no problem accusing Skip, Tito and my friends (and numerous others) about "cheating"... ::)
At 1997 Mr. Olympia Press conference when Mike Matarazzo was asked something about steroids - he made funny but true statement: "Look at the audience - half of the people in the audience is on more stuff than us - Mr. Olympia competitors..." and everyone laughed...as everyone knew IT IS SO TRUE...
Most of you "so-called naturals" have been unsuccessful in achieving certain level of development and rather than admitting - you would be loud and point fingers...when in reality all you are doing is exposing yourself.
Dog that barks doesn't bite...it is known...
If dog is ready to bite you he would not warn you with all that loud bark...
True naturals are quiet...They don't need to talk and complain...They made their choice and respect others for their choices...When it becomes obsession - it is obvious what is behind...Remember - whatever is in your mind CONSTANTLY and continuasly...it will manifest in your life...sooner or later. ;)
So if you are THINKING about "drug users" you must have drugs on your mind ;)...
But, off course - I will be crucified ;D for saying this...oh well...
However, we all know: TRUTH HURTS - sometimes... ;)
listen to Milos, he's a smart guy. It seems you've read some books on the Law of Attraction. Everyone should read up on it, maybe then they could change their lives around instead of bitching an moaning about other peoples lives. Anything, ANYTHING is possible, the smart, successfully people all know that.
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It's the last 10% of an excercise that matters, not the first 90%. get to that last 10% and shock the muscle and it will adept by growing...remember that!
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hahahahaa, where did you get those funny numbers? Your accountant?
Post 90's pro bbers are bigger than pre 90s bbers because of new discoveries in diet and training. ::)
Monster ignorance, exemplified by the developement of easily preventable female breast tissue on your part.
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Your quick to respond to bashers, but ignore those that have always respected you and wanted to learn from knowledge, thanks anyway.
Here we go...and what do I answer to this?
What was your question?
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Here we go...and what do I answer to this?
What was your question?
Milos, How often do you guys do these workouts? I imagine that they would be hard to do all the time. I want to start doing them but don't know how to use them properly to grow but not get burnt out.
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Come on now Milos, you don't believe someone like Ashley was natural. WHY on earth are you even mentioning him in this context? He was a perfect example of your loud "natural" with drug free columns in the mags etc. He sure had nice bitch tits. And Darrem was claiming natural and meanwhile he was all Syntholed up in his calves. ::) The reason Darrem claimed natural was that he would have been crucified in his homeland if he admitted to it. He hinted at this in an interview.
You are not an honest man Milos. You know what drugs do inside and out and meanwhile you are trying to sell this ridiculous concept that you can achieve any level of development drug free.Are you saying that they were drug tested several times leading up to the contest? I don't buy it. I don't think the IFBB does out of comp drug tests. Correct me if I'm wrong.
As far as test - Malaysian government requested the testing - not the IFBB...So much for that.
As far as other things: I would not mention people if I would not believe they are drug free...
For Darrem - I was convinced he was...until recently when you could see something even (as you mentioned) on his calves...
Ronnie Coleman was claiming he was drug free - for years...until 1996 in Canada - when I was on the stage with him and Flex - I told Ronnie in front of Flex: tell me you are still drug free and I'll push you off the stage...Ronnie laughed and said: "I ain't telling you that no mo"...Later that day he won the show (Flex got 2nd and I was 3rd)...
Well, Ronnie was incredible as a natural but at the time nobody would believe him that he was...
Mike Ashley is another example.
Would I bet my life on it (that he was 100% natural) - NO...but would you bet yours that he wasn't?
So, yes I believe that 1995 version of Ronnie (he already won IFBB pro show) was possibly drug free...and Darrem Charles for first 5-6 years of his pro career...
Jean Paul Guillaume - is also someone I am proudly mentioning - as I trained with him in the same gym for years - and I saw him refusing even an aspirin...
Now - what do drugs do inside and out?
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listen to Milos, he's a smart guy. It seems you've read some books on the Law of Attraction. Everyone should read up on it, maybe then they could change their lives around instead of bitching an moaning about other peoples lives. Anything, ANYTHING is possible, the smart, successfully people all know that.
I was raised by the Law of Attraction since my childhood...and YES I see it in everydays life as it is SO PREDICTABLE...
You bring to you what you think about the most...but many of getbiggers just don't see that...
Maybe ONE DAY they will...I just hope it is not too late.
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Milos, How often do you guys do these workouts? I imagine that they would be hard to do all the time. I want to start doing them but don't know how to use them properly to grow but not get burnt out.
Now - it is only one way to find out...Isn't it?
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Now - it is only one way to find out...Isn't it?
So just see how my body adapts? Lol. Milos you are like Yoda....all wise but vague in your words. I will try because it seems pretty awesome. Can naturals gain much on this program? I like the endurance factor. Where can I get glucose?
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Look at my guys from Malaysia...They trained like this for 4 months straight.
Glucose (Dextrose) is easy to find...if you look for it.
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Look at my guys from Malaysia...They trained like this for 4 months straight.
Glucose (Dextrose) is easy to find...if you look for it.
Oh so it is dextrose. I didn't know. I'm going to try it for sure. I'll see how it works. I'll PM you when I barf for the first time. ;D
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Well, Ronnie was incredible as a natural but at the time nobody would believe him that he was...
Mike Ashley is another example.
Would I bet my life on it (that he was 100% natural) - NO...but would you bet yours that he wasn't?
So, yes I believe that 1995 version of Ronnie (he already won IFBB pro show) was possibly drug free...and Darrem Charles for first 5-6 years of his pro career...
Now - what do drugs do inside and out?
OK it seems you want to keep the possibility that they were clean open. Fine. You don't seem so certain anymore though LOL.
This is one topic where, if you were a betting man, you'd be smart to bet that they are lying through their teeth.
Ronnie is a specimen for sure but I don't think he had zero experience with hormones when he turned pro.
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Oh so it is dextrose. I didn't know. I'm going to try it for sure. I'll see how it works. I'll PM you when I barf for the first time. ;D
D-Glucose=Dextrose
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucose
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OK it seems you want to keep the possibility that they were clean open. Fine. You don't seem so certain anymore though LOL.
This is one topic where, if you were a betting man, you'd be smart to bet that they are lying through their teeth.
Ronnie is a specimen for sure but I don't think he had zero experience with hormones when he turned pro.
I don't seem so certain anymore LOL?
How about you?
I said I am not ready to bet my life on it...and how about you?
Are you ready to bet yours?
I know very well how far I went drug free...and for years I was being accused of USING DRUGS when I was completely drug free.
Some would just not want to accept that my development was possible drug free...at the time.
I can never be certain EVER and with anyone - except myself off course so you point is worthless - as we both know that you cannot be certain with your claims - either.
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I haven't researched all of Milos' principles in depth, but there is no guru who has the magic bullet. Naive people will want to believe there is though. That is why there are books promising they have the cures for diabetes or the secrets to living to 120 or whatever else - people who are naive will buy these books of course. People are sometimes irrational, want easy answers, want to forego scientific research, etc, and want to believe there is a magic bullet.
Eat a healthy diet and exercise. Is this clear to everyone? CONSISTENCY is the only secret. I may look like nothing compared to Milos or his team, but I still have random strangers in the gym ask me what special exercises I do to look as I do and so on. It was when I started getting asked these questions that I became aware of the false assumptions people make, e.g., assuming some special techniques exist when they don't.
Special techniques will not make Luke's physique flow together the way Milos' physique did or make Milos' arms as big as Luke's, which should be proof enough there is no secret which can take you past a genetic limit.
My understanding is that Milos is more perceptive and observant (intelligent) than the average guru. He will be faster to recognize a person's needs in the gym and make sure they are accomodated. That is my take on it.
I would not improve beyond 3-5% with Milos by my side 24/7 helping me out. We cannot forget genetics. Maybe a top pro is willing to pay for 3-5% improvements, but I am not. But it is the free market and all the power to Milos for doing well in business. :)
PS - hard work does not always equate to productive work. Ronnie Coleman would probably do better this year if he took it a bit easier.
Fair number of assumptions, including the presumed 3-5% increase when realistically there's no way to know beforehand.
For those like this caught in boxes, the following adage:
"Free the mind and thy ass will follow" - George Clinton. P-Funk
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Steroids don't make you grow up to be Mr. Olympia. That is a given or else all of these jackass high school kids would be walking around with 20" inch pumped arms.
I have had many friends who cycled for years and still looked like shit. The bodybuilding lifestyle is not for the faint of heart.
For one show I litteraly ate a can of tune, white rice and brocolli 6 times a day for 12 weeks. That was 12 years ago and until this day I can't even look at a can of tuna without wanting to throw up. I looked jacked as hell but was it worth it? HELL YES. I snagged for pootang than ever.
Milos. I know your workouts are hard, they are tough even though light weight is being used but to be honest with you. I can put up 450 on the bench for 3 reps but I doubt I could pump out 100 reps of 100 lbs. I don't have the stamina for that many reps. The lactic acid will burn too bad.
Please answer me this. How long should the milos method be used? I presume you don't always do the giants sets week after week, or do you? I saw your fit show videos and the people you had working out are all seasoned guys, guys who put in many hours in the gym and ate their fair share of chicken breast and canned tuna, so your workout is for someone looking to dial in for a show, the high reps helps keep the metabolism on fire and burns a boat load of calories. Looking at all the show winners over the last few years NONE have employed your workout technique. Victor Martinez wouldn't be caught dead doing a 10 set giant set for legs, Ronnie probably would quit after the 4th set, jay can't spell giant set. These guys use traditional workout methods to build their physiques.
I live in SoCal and will make a trip to Fulerton and visit your gym and workout with you if you will allow me to.
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Steroids don't make you grow up to be Mr. Olympia. That is a given or else all of these jackass high school kids would be walking around with 20" inch pumped arms.
I have had many friends who cycled for years and still looked like shit. The bodybuilding lifestyle is not for the faint of heart.
For one show I litteraly ate a can of tune, white rice and brocolli 6 times a day for 12 weeks. That was 12 years ago and until this day I can't even look at a can of tuna without wanting to throw up. I looked jacked as hell but was it worth it? HELL YES. I snagged for pootang than ever.
Milos. I know your workouts are hard, they are tough even though light weight is being used but to be honest with you. I can put up 450 on the bench for 3 reps but I doubt I could pump out 100 reps of 100 lbs. I don't have the stamina for that many reps. The lactic acid will burn too bad.
Please answer me this. How long should the milos method be used? I presume you don't always do the giants sets week after week, or do you? I saw your fit show videos and the people you had working out are all seasoned guys, guys who put in many hours in the gym and ate their fair share of chicken breast and canned tuna, so your workout is for someone looking to dial in for a show, the high reps helps keep the metabolism on fire and burns a boat load of calories. Looking at all the show winners over the last few years NONE have employed your workout technique. Victor Martinez wouldn't be caught dead doing a 10 set giant set for legs, Ronnie probably would quit after the 4th set, jay can't spell giant set. These guys use traditional workout methods to build their physiques.
I live in SoCal and will make a trip to Fulerton and visit your gym and workout with you if you will allow me to.
hahahaha, another internet monster, let's see this 450 bench for 3.
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Off course I will...Why didn't you come last Saturday - when we announced big leg training?
Anyway, contact Garraeth - and maybe you want to come with him once and see what he does?
He is getting better every time...and here is perfect example of someone who just started doing giant sets...and he can give you some feedback.
He is NOT on supplements and he trained with crazy giant sets intensity so far...
How long can/should he go?
Everything depends...
Again - I am talking about sprinting a marathon - meaning some will sprint only short distance and some could go much, much further...
With this training IF you GET conditioned and have appropriate nutrition, rest (and possibly supplements) - sky is a limit...
Hide just sent me an E-mail to tell me how surprised he is with his strength - as he is off the supplements and lifting in straight set fashion in Japan at the moment. He said - he has never been stronger in his life...
That is just a 'side effect" from this kind of brutal intensity training system.
Yes, one can use this system in periodization protocols...but intense personalities will hardly go back to any other style of training - after they taste how this feels...And these giant sets PROGRESSIVELY become more intense - as you keep making them harder each workout...
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hahahaha, another internet monster, let's see this 450 bench for 3.
haha this is the same "guy" who couldnt do one pullup at the park for his wife and kid because it was back day the next day..... hahaha this guys life is straight out of an animal pack add
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Off course I will...Why didn't you come last Saturday - when we announced big leg training?
Anyway, contact Garraeth - and maybe you want to come with him once and see what he does?
He is getting better every time...and here is perfect example of someone who just started doing giant sets...and he can give you some feedback.
He is NOT on supplements and he trained with crazy giant sets intensity so far...
How long can/should he go?
Everything depends...
Again - I am talking about sprinting a marathon - meaning some will sprint only short distance and some could go much, much further...
With this training IF you GET conditioned and have appropriate nutrition, rest (and possibly supplements) - sky is a limit...
Hide just sent me an E-mail to tell me how surprised he is with his strength - as he is off the supplements and lifting in straight set fashion in Japan at the moment. He said - he has never been stronger in his life...
That is just a 'side effect" from this kind of brutal intensity training system.
Yes, one can use this system in periodization protocols...but intense personalities will hardly go back to any other style of training - after they taste how this feels...And these giant sets PROGRESSIVELY become more intense - as you keep making them harder each workout...
i have to admit that i tried a MODIFIED version of your giant sets for legs yesterday Milos and i couldn't believe the pump and burn in my legs i did, barbell squat/barbell front squat/leg press/hacksquat giant sets 3 times and i could barely move, my quads are very sore today.
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looks intense different then anything i ever remotly saw but for me personally id rather stick to what worked for me when i feel im dont making progress def
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Sure, mon_of_steele, PM me. I can pick you up, carpool or whatever.
gaerreth do you think this type of traiining is better for losing weight or preparing for a contest as opposed to building mass??
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Interestingly many proud naturals are first to jump on Skip Lacoure or some other lifetime naturals (like Paul Jean Guillame, Mike Ashley...and even Ronnie Coleman and Darrem Charles for the part of their professional career - when they were claiming to be drug free...)
It's spelled...Paul Jean Guillaume....& he's a little light in the loafers & far from being a natty.... ;D
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i have to admit that i tried a MODIFIED version of your giant sets for legs yesterday Milos and i couldn't believe the pump and burn in my legs i did, barbell squat/barbell front squat/leg press/hacksquat giant sets 3 times and i could barely move, my quads are very sore today.
Surprised?
Well, I am glad you did it...
Next time try to beat previous workout by adding the exercise, weight, sets...or any other variable...
Among other things you'll see what this kind of workout does for your metabolism... ;)
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It's spelled...Paul Jean Guillaume....& he's a little light in the loafers & far from being a natty.... ;D
Paul Jean or Jean Paul...Guillaume is just exceptional bodybuilder - and many would never accept that he is drug free - so I used him as an example as well.
There are THOUSANDS of others around the world - but sceptics would just NOT want to believe it anyway...
When "naturals" really put everything together - they will realize how far they can really go...
Pharmaceuticals play only a small part in this whole equation.
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Paul Jean or Jean Paul...Guillaume is just exceptional bodybuilder - and many would never accept that he is drug free - so I used him as an example as well.
There are THOUSANDS of others around the world - but sceptics would just NOT want to believe it anyway...
When "naturals" really put everything together - they will realize how far they can really go...
Pharmaceuticals play only a small part in this whole equation.
I have a serious idea for you. Why not do your comeback 100% clean and show us how a previous drug user can look drug free? Maybe you could find someone to sponsor you with funds for IOC/WADA type drug testing, a test every couple of weeks leading up to your show. Along with the usual steroid test have them check for exogenous testosterone to assure you aren't on HRT (the isotope test), the new GH test, and monitor all suspicious changes in hormone levels. Even this type of testing isn't foolproof but it would reasonably say you aren't on exogenous hormones at least. Since you are mostly off (according to your previous posts) you could look amazing totally clean right?
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I don't seem so certain anymore LOL?
How about you?
I said I am not ready to bet my life on it...and how about you?
Are you ready to bet yours?
I know very well how far I went drug free...and for years I was being accused of USING DRUGS when I was completely drug free.
Some would just not want to accept that my development was possible drug free...at the time.
I can never be certain EVER and with anyone - except myself off course so you point is worthless - as we both know that you cannot be certain with your claims - either.
Of course I cannot know anything for certain, but there is a thing called common sense. It doesn't make sense that someone like Ashley could finish second behind Ray and beat a whole field of heavily drugged bodybuilders at the Arnold Classic. I don't care how great his genetics were, the rest of them were very gifted also. It's also extremely unlikely anyone could win the World Championships lifetime drug free in this day and age. It's just common sense. If they did it's certainly not because they train harder with giant sets, not because they are somehow doing something in the gym no bodybuilder in years past dared to do.
BTW, where is g15? I'd like for him to offer his opinion on whether some of these were drug free. I know he said he had sold steroids to LaCour.
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I have a serious idea for you. Why not do your comeback 100% clean and show us how a previous drug user can look drug free? Maybe you could find someone to sponsor you with funds for IOC/WADA type drug testing, a test every couple of weeks leading up to your show. Along with the usual steroid test have them check for exogenous testosterone to assure you aren't on HRT (the isotope test), the new GH test, and monitor all suspicious changes in hormone levels. Even this type of testing isn't foolproof but it would reasonably say you aren't on exogenous hormones at least. Since you are mostly off (according to your previous posts) you could look amazing totally clean right?
Yeah. Seriously right.
If Milos present very good physic naturaly,it will be really standing out news and very high value among fans.
And honestly, i would like him to compete in natural state.
I have confidence that the guy will present better physic than Paul jean.Much better.
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Yeah. Seriously right.
If Milos present very good physic naturaly,it will be really standing out news and very high value among fans.
And honestly, i would like him to compete in natural state.
I have confidence that the guy will present better physic than Paul jean.Much better.
The thing is I don't think he is completely clean "more than half the time" like he has claimed. I'd be very surprised if he wasn't on HRT when he is "off". I could be wrong of course, but I just don't see his him having normal testosterone production after such a long career (and doing so many contests, which means means he was on most of the time when he competed frequently). So I don't see him competing under the stipulations I mentioned (i.e. NO hormones, even HRT). Would be interesting to see though but I don't think it will happen. We all saw what Mike Morris looked like when he cleaned out completely (night and day difference).
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Paul Jean or Jean Paul...Guillaume is just exceptional bodybuilder - and many would never accept that he is drug free - so I used him as an example as well.
There are THOUSANDS of others around the world - but sceptics would just NOT want to believe it anyway...
When "naturals" really put everything together - they will realize how far they can really go...
Pharmaceuticals play only a small part in this whole equation.
I agree....he is exceptional...but "100% natural"??
I would say "doubt it" but really who cares what he wants to claim.
Yes...I agree....Pharmaceuticals play a small role in the entire equation as a bodybuilder
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Pharmaceuticals play only a small part in this whole equation.
ha ha, Milos in denial. Classic
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The thing is I don't think he is completely clean "more than half the time" like he has claimed. I'd be very surprised if he wasn't on HRT when he is "off". I could be wrong of course, but I just don't see his him having normal testosterone production after such a long career (and doing so many contests, which means means he was on most of the time when he competed frequently). So I don't see him competing under the stipulations I mentioned (i.e. NO hormones, even HRT). Would be interesting to see though but I don't think it will happen. We all saw what Mike Morris looked like when he cleaned out completely (night and day difference).
Oh..Like you said, I didnt count that truth:Long time usage of steroid lower the level of natural testosterone level...
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Milos has been nothing but honest
Why attack him or be overly critical ?
People go to him obviously because they get results.
I am presuming that they go to him clean or juiced long before they seek the higher level of training he provides.
Stop making him out to be anything other than he is-obviously a very qualified trainer-simple as that.
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I have a serious idea for you. Why not do your comeback 100% clean and show us how a previous drug user can look drug free? Maybe you could find someone to sponsor you with funds for IOC/WADA type drug testing, a test every couple of weeks leading up to your show. Along with the usual steroid test have them check for exogenous testosterone to assure you aren't on HRT (the isotope test), the new GH test, and monitor all suspicious changes in hormone levels. Even this type of testing isn't foolproof but it would reasonably say you aren't on exogenous hormones at least. Since you are mostly off (according to your previous posts) you could look amazing totally clean right?
My #1 priority in life is to convince you and people alike...
I really have absolutely nothing else in my plans but that...so why don't you organize and pay for IOC lab to do testing every 2 weeks - or you are sugesting - I should also pay for that?
Now, when I pass the tests would that also be taken as OK - he is clean...or - "he knows how to pass the test"?
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My #1 priority in life is to convince you and people alike...
I really have absolutely nothing else in my plans but that...so why don't you organize and pay for IOC lab to do testing every 2 weeks - or you are sugesting - I should also pay for that?
Now, when I pass the tests would that also be taken as OK - he is clean...or - "he knows how to pass the test"?
Even if there is no test,I and few people totaly believe you if you compete naturaly.
Since competing naturaly is much easier than competing with juice,why dont you do it?
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My #1 priority in life is to convince you and people alike...
I really have absolutely nothing else in my plans but that...so why don't you organize and pay for IOC lab to do testing every 2 weeks - or you are sugesting - I should also pay for that?
Now, when I pass the tests would that also be taken as OK - he is clean...or - "he knows how to pass the test"?
I like how you talk in 3rd person Milos ;D
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Of course I cannot know anything for certain, but there is a thing called common sense. It doesn't make sense that someone like Ashley could finish second behind Ray and beat a whole field of heavily drugged bodybuilders at the Arnold Classic. I don't care how great his genetics were, the rest of them were very gifted also. It's also extremely unlikely anyone could win the World Championships lifetime drug free in this day and age. It's just common sense. If they did it's certainly not because they train harder with giant sets, not because they are somehow doing something in the gym no bodybuilder in years past dared to do.
BTW, where is g15? I'd like for him to offer his opinion on whether some of these were drug free. I know he said he had sold steroids to LaCour.
Common sense?
It is common sense NOT TO USE steroids in drug tested show...as our "born again" who never took anything strangely didn't pass - so he had to give quite a bit of cash to deserving winner (Ashley) who BTW - passed the test?
I wonder why?
Because he was clean? or because your majesty's common sense suggests - he knew how to cheat and beat the test?
To add to my previous post - what would be a difference if I would do what you suggest, pass the test and nevertheless be accused - just like you are accusing Mike Ashley in this oh so common sense approach of determining who is drug free and who's not?
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Even if there is no test,I and few people totaly believe you if you compete naturaly.
Since competing naturaly is much easier than competing with juice,why dont you do it?
When I am ready to compete I will...Remember - I competed 110 times so far...so competing for me is NO BIG DEAL...
However, why don't you compete...or at least get out of what looks like borderline obesity you are facing if you continue the way you are...
I wonder how some of you could train daily and allow yourself to be so out of shape... ::)
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ha ha, Milos in denial. Classic
Do you realize how many MILLIONS of people use AS and other hormones?
Why don't we have millions of Ronnie Coleman's?
While certainly CONTRIBUTING to the equation - it is VERY SMALL PART of making a champion.
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When I am ready to compete I will...Remember - I competed 110 times so far...so competing for me is NO BIG DEAL...
However, why don't you compete...or at least get out of what looks like borderline obesity you are facing if you continue the way you are...
I wonder how some of you could train daily and allow yourself to be so out of shape... ::)
Hey hey hey hey!! Whats up?? Why you bite me again man!? For long years(OK not like you but), I had been lean. And I was appriciating you and why you talk like that?
Of course, you are the master of competition.
But HAVE YOU COMPETED NATURALY IN THOSE PRO SHOW??
Thats why i told you. If you do it,i think you can give a hope and dream to all those who are training naturaly.And I thought you could do good.
Bad comment I made huh?
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Milos does a person have to be a member at your gym to be able to witness one of the workouts you have with your clients?
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Milos, serious question. Taking a natural guy for instance, someone who trains for like 2, 3 years only, and does not is a genetic monster or things like that...just a normal guy.
Do you think your approach of giant sets would be ideal (or maybe even the best thing) to gain mass??? Because we saw the pictures of some 'natural' guys you have trained, but its difficult to know how they looked before. Some of them already compete and things like that...
And also, if you really believe your methods are that good, would you recomend them all the time??? or would it be too much???
Its a genuine question, your theories are really interesting, but i always have this doubt in my mind...
thanks in advance!
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Milos does a person have to be a member at your gym to be able to witness one of the workouts you have with your clients?
you have a cool avatar
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Hey hey hey hey!! Whats up?? Why you bite me again man!? For long years(OK not like you but), I had been lean. And I was appriciating you and why you talk like that?
Of course, you are the master of competition.
But HAVE YOU COMPETED NATURALY IN THOSE PRO SHOW??
Thats why i told you. If you do it,i think you can give a hope and dream to all those who are training naturaly.And I thought you could do good.
Bad comment I made huh?
Truth hurts...ha Mamba?
Let's face it: you are training FOR YEARS....don't you think you should be in decent shape AT LEAST?
And why aren't you?
Lack of discipline...or knowledge to do the right thing?
As far as me competing drug free - I entered my first Universe drug free and couple of shows after that here in States...(Ironman amateur, Wally Boyko's show and one more NPC show in 1988...)
I realized that I do need something extra to be competitive - IF I WANT to become professional bodybuilder - and I made my choice.
I never regretted the choice and contrary to what many of you believe - ANABOLIC STAROIDS are not evil destructive drugs.
Actually - they are promoting CONSTRUCTIVE METABOLISM (anabolism) and therefore in many instances (every catabolic condition) AS could be lifesavers.
If used correctly AS can and will enhance someone's health...if used wrongly - it's another story...
And THAT'S WHY KNOWLEDGE IS POWER...but IGNORANCE somehow prevails...
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Milos does a person have to be a member at your gym to be able to witness one of the workouts you have with your clients?
No, you can come anytime...
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Milos, serious question. Taking a natural guy for instance, someone who trains for like 2, 3 years only, and does not is a genetic monster or things like that...just a normal guy.
Do you think your approach of giant sets would be ideal (or maybe even the best thing) to gain mass??? Because we saw the pictures of some 'natural' guys you have trained, but its difficult to know how they looked before. Some of them already compete and things like that...
And also, if you really believe your methods are that good, would you recomend them all the time??? or would it be too much???
Its a genuine question, your theories are really interesting, but i always have this doubt in my mind...
thanks in advance!
Accept no limitations as limitation...If you have doubts - you'll never know how far you can go.
As far as training - what do you think is going to create BEST RESULTS - more intense or less intense training?
If you consider that this is THE MOST INTENSE (and I absolutely do) - than you should have your answer...
The rest is - proper nutrition and rest...but that is another story...You were asking for TRAINING - and YES, I believe that someone who trains 2, 3 years certainly can start applying this kind of intense training system....on regular bases.
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Accept no limitations as limitation...If you have doubts - you'll never know how far you can go.
As far as training - what do you think is going to create BEST RESULTS - more intense or less intense training?
If you consider that this is THE MOST INTENSE (and I absolutely do) - than you should have your answer...
The rest is - proper nutrition and rest...but that is another story...You were asking for TRAINING - and YES, I believe that someone who trains 2, 3 years certainly can start applying this kind of intense training system....on regular bases.
thanks for the answer!!! i was more of a high volume guy for a long time, and i felt good with it, but the results started to decrease a lot...For sure i believe in intensity, and now, for a couple of months i decided to try a completely diferent thing for me, lot less volume and lot more overload and heavier weights...At first i was thinking i would not fell too much 'drained' because it was a lot less volume but the increased overload in weights compensate this. And im liking a lot this training, i already made some progress in size and strenght, specially thickness.
But i will study your methods for some time and probably after the experimentation im doing now, i will try your ideas, as they always seemed very interesting to me. ;)
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Common sense?
It is common sense NOT TO USE steroids in drug tested show...as our "born again" who never took anything strangely didn't pass - so he had to give quite a bit of cash to deserving winner (Ashley) who BTW - passed the test?
I wonder why?
Because he was clean? or because your majesty's common sense suggests - he knew how to cheat and beat the test?
To add to my previous post - what would be a difference if I would do what you suggest, pass the test and nevertheless be accused - just like you are accusing Mike Ashley in this oh so common sense approach of determining who is drug free and who's not?
Milos, why act so superior and use so much sarcasm? I.E. "your majesty". You seem to have some type of martyr complex. Do you think you are Christ and about to be unfairly crucified? I am simply saying that it's common sense that anabolic steroids are part of what bodybuilding IS ALL ABOUT nowadays. You have said so yourself, in this thread you say you needed them to become a successful pro. Yes, it's common sense that the athletes drop the drugs in time to pass the test but it's not common sense to think they never did them at all. Shawn simply messed up in his calculations, didn't take the testing serious, or whatever. IMO, ALL of them had used steroids in the recent past, they just dropped them in time.
My #1 priority in life is to convince you and people alike...
I really have absolutely nothing else in my plans but that...so why don't you organize and pay for IOC lab to do testing every 2 weeks - or you are sugesting - I should also pay for that?
Now, when I pass the tests would that also be taken as OK - he is clean...or - "he knows how to pass the test"?
I was simply giving you an idea, not saying it should be your priority. It would give you the chance to show how effective your nutritional manipulations are, etc. Could be nice promotion for your supp line. IMO, if state of the art drug testing is applied during the prep it's nowadays almost impossible to use anabolics in any capacity (since they can differentiate between endo and exo test, they look at abnormal fluctuations for example). I think you would crash dramatically in a couple of months, like every other BB, if you didn't take a single milligram of hormone.
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Does anyone have pics of Mike Ashley, or know of a gallery online? I'd like to see some pics of his gyno titties that I've seen before. :D
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I just saw the 13/02 episode of the fit show hardcore with back&shoulders with samuel en van amsterdam
Considering how many pounds these guys are moving in such a short time (even if it are pink dumbells), how could this not NOT build muscle
Your stuff looks cool milos, I'm sure going to try it some day
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Truth hurts...ha Mamba?
Let's face it: you are training FOR YEARS....don't you think you should be in decent shape AT LEAST?
And why aren't you?
Lack of discipline...or knowledge to do the right thing?
As far as me competing drug free - I entered my first Universe drug free and couple of shows after that here in States...(Ironman amateur, Wally Boyko's show and one more NPC show in 1988...)
I realized that I do need something extra to be competitive - IF I WANT to become professional bodybuilder - and I made my choice.
I never regretted the choice and contrary to what many of you believe - ANABOLIC STAROIDS are not evil destructive drugs.
Actually - they are promoting CONSTRUCTIVE METABOLISM (anabolism) and therefore in many instances (every catabolic condition) AS could be lifesavers.
If used correctly AS can and will enhance someone's health...if used wrongly - it's another story...
And THAT'S WHY KNOWLEDGE IS POWER...but IGNORANCE somehow prevails...
Truth hurts? What are you talking about? Decent shape? What do you call decent shape?
If you say that i should look like a pro,you are right.
But....
THEN I CHALLENGE YOU.
Post your pic when you were drug free
Then i will be in decent condition enough to post here.
And let the getbiggers vote who is better.
Deal?
And also,you want to say this?
"Using anabolic steroid inteligently is more clever than training without anabolic steroid."
Do you want to say this?
So do you want to say that i am not in decent shape because i dont use anabolic steroid?
Please give me an answer.
Remember, I gained more than 10kg of pure natural beef since these 1995 pics
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Truth hurts? What are you talking about? Decent shape? What do you call decent shape?
If you say that i should look like a pro,you are right.
But....
THEN I CHALLENGE YOU.
Post your pic when you were drug free
Then i will be in decent condition enough to post here.
And let the getbiggers vote who is better.
Deal?
And also,you want to say this?
"Using anabolic steroid inteligently is more clever than training without anabolic steroid."
Do you want to say this?
So do you want to say that i am not in decent shape because i dont use anabolic steroid?
Please give me an answer.
Remember, I gained more than 10kg of pure natural beef since these 1995 pics
Mamba, mamba...are you turning green?
#1) Why posting photos more than 10 years old?
You live in the past?
What happen since than?
You obviously love bodybuilding (here every day for hours) and God knows how many hours in the gym...just to be overweight and out of shape?
Sad - indeed.
#2) As far as "Natural" comments - again, when I talk about anyone being drug free - everyone jumps on conclusions claiming there is no way mentioned guys are drug free...But, you and others - when you claim you are drug free (on these pictures...BTW nice clear pictures I might add...your face is clearly recognisable...and could not be someone else...now - could it be?) - we suppose to believe you?
As far as comparing my Natural photos with yours - gladly - do some search and you'll find them.
I was more muscular and leaner before I even started bodybuilding than you on these pics... ;) (Side effect of swimming, judo and karate training - before I started bodybuilding)
And if you don't understand English - don't assume what I think about Anabolics...and don't print your interpretation...
I wrote clearly - and you can go back and read it again.
Now - YOU SHOULD remember (not me) that you gained more than 10kg of pure natural bacon (rather than beef ;)) since these 1995 pics...
Only thing that got bigger is your stomach, face...and obviously EGO... ;)
As I said - truth does hurts...and you can check it anytime: just look in the mirror. Do you see a bodybuilder?
I didn't think so...
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Truth hurts? What are you talking about? Decent shape? What do you call decent shape?
If you say that i should look like a pro,you are right.
But....
THEN I CHALLENGE YOU.
Post your pic when you were drug free
Then i will be in decent condition enough to post here.
And let the getbiggers vote who is better.
Deal?
And also,you want to say this?
"Using anabolic steroid inteligently is more clever than training without anabolic steroid."
Do you want to say this?
So do you want to say that i am not in decent shape because i dont use anabolic steroid?
Please give me an answer.
Remember, I gained more than 10kg of pure natural beef since these 1995 pics
hahahahahaha, "pure natural beef".
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Milos, why act so superior and use so much sarcasm? I.E. "your majesty". You seem to have some type of martyr complex. Do you think you are Christ and about to be unfairly crucified? I am simply saying that it's common sense that anabolic steroids are part of what bodybuilding IS ALL ABOUT nowadays. You have said so yourself, in this thread you say you needed them to become a successful pro. Yes, it's common sense that the athletes drop the drugs in time to pass the test but it's not common sense to think they never did them at all. Shawn simply messed up in his calculations, didn't take the testing serious, or whatever. IMO, ALL of them had used steroids in the recent past, they just dropped them in time.I was simply giving you an idea, not saying it should be your priority. It would give you the chance to show how effective your nutritional manipulations are, etc. Could be nice promotion for your supp line. IMO, if state of the art drug testing is applied during the prep it's nowadays almost impossible to use anabolics in any capacity (since they can differentiate between endo and exo test, they look at abnormal fluctuations for example). I think you would crash dramatically in a couple of months, like every other BB, if you didn't take a single milligram of hormone.
I don't act superior - I am only very confident - thus post under my real name and state my opinions - taking full responsability for my claims.
Now - I do use sarcasm when I find appropriate as you guys find it OK to give me your suggestions - like I would really listen and agree to do something "just because"... ::)
That is childish and therefore - my sarcasm is more than appropriate.
You are going into circle which never ends...(obviously - being a circle doesn't have neither start or finish...).
When I talk about AS - you (and others) will jump on conclusions and point fingers...
If I claim someone is drug free - you would doubt...so - as example if I pass any test - are you suggesting that you and others here on board will really take it as I was drug free - or maybe you would say (just like in your last post) I got off just on time...
So, what's the point?
Now, I can tell you with certainty passing IOC test is not easy...and if someone takes it as lightly as you - you would have nice little surprise.
There are so many factors involved...and I do know - as I researched...and under today's IOC testing abilities even I wouldn't dare try to guarantee that anyone can pass the test (OK...I have an idea...but would not bet my life...)
Anyway, my nutritional supplements and theories are sound and I will not need to prove them by being drug free...as millions around the world would be able to see it for themselves...
Drugs or no drugs - my supplements are designed to create HYPERANABOLIC STATE...and I hope you and others would try it...and if not - oh well, your loss, not mine.
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Mamba, mamba...are you turning green?
#1) Why posting photos more than 10 years old?
You live in the past?
What happen since than?
You obviously love bodybuilding (here every day for hours) and God knows how many hours in the gym...just to be overweight and out of shape?
Sad - indeed.
#2) As far as "Natural" comments - again, when I talk about anyone being drug free - everyone jumps on conclusions claiming there is no way mentioned guys are drug free...But, you and others - when you claim you are drug free (on these pictures...BTW nice clear pictures I might add...your face is clearly recognisable...and could not be someone else...now - could it be?) - we suppose to believe you?
As far as comparing my Natural photos with yours - gladly - do some search and you'll find them.
I was more muscular and leaner before I even started bodybuilding than you on these pics... ;) (Side effect of swimming, judo and karate training - before I started bodybuilding)
And if you don't understand English - don't assume what I think about Anabolics...and don't print your interpretation...
I wrote clearly - and you can go back and read it again.
Now - YOU SHOULD remember (not me) that you gained more than 10kg of pure natural bacon (rather than beef ;)) since these 1995 pics...
Only thing that got bigger is your stomach, face...and obviously EGO... ;)
As I said - truth does hurts...and you can check it anytime: just look in the mirror. Do you see a bodybuilder?
I didn't think so...
First of all,I am not in the Gym all day like you. I own a japanese sweets production company for japanese restaurant here.More than BBing,I practice chi-kung more also.
And i have not lived for bbing only like you. I did several business like vending japanese animation,videos and organizing event(Of course many people came,much much more than your seminar.7000 people in 3 days.). And now I have been in food industry for 5 years. Razing my company was a battle for me, i was sleeping only 4 hours every day....
I have several pics after the competition also as i did guest posing in several disco.I will try to find them out..
As for challenge,i am not talking about 1995 version.
I AM TALKING ABOUT NOW version.You also had better read well.
Because i am keeping on being natural,and i gained more than 10 kg of pure muscle.(Since you called its becon...)
I know how to scale muscle gain since i also competed some(OK of course much much less than you.I have competed 7 shows)
In this pic I was 75kg.In off season i was like 85kg.
Now I am 97kg almost same condition as that 85kg. Thats why i know what will happen when i shed my fat off.
Also now i can train with much much heavier than before.(Of course, keep on training with very strict form)
When i am in shape,soon i will post 7 mandatorys.
Anyway, I will compete again in very near future. Its very good ocasion to challenge you.
Thats why I wanted to visit you before competing and learning some technic from you.
I can learn from Paco ,but why i cant learn from you also?
About natural. How about this.
If you accept my challenge and i win,i will visit you for sure and you do drug test to me using whoever you want.
If the result is positive,i will pay you that doping test cost plus 10000$.
If the result is negative,you will pay for that doping test cost plus paying my motel during staying there 2 weeks(Near your gym) plus train me free.
How is this??
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"on these pictures...BTW nice clear pictures I might add...your face is clearly recognisable...and could not be someone else...now - could it be?) "
Well I have post it already but i repost them.
1st pic 75kg-1995
2nd pic 80kg guest pose-1996
3rd pic 97kg now
4th pic 100kg 2 month before
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Now, I can tell you with certainty passing IOC test is not easy...and if someone takes it as lightly as you - you would have nice little surprise.
There are so many factors involved...and I do know - as I researched...and under today's IOC testing abilities even I wouldn't dare try to guarantee that anyone can pass the test (OK...I have an idea...but would not bet my life...)
No, I don't take the current testing methodologies lightly. I specifically said that if one was subjected to the current state of the art testing (periodically during a prep, not just on contest day) I personally would feel confident the individual didn't take any steroid hormones. I have read up on it also, WADA has the documents up online (regarding what they look for). Now, in the 80's and 90's passing them on a specific date was much easier, you could take d-bol until 2 weeks out no problem, etc. That's why I feel the athletes at the AC and the O in '91 were still taking stuff very close to the contest (and Haney for example was still 20lbs smaller that year!!!). Now of course I know you would never try to compete drug free, what would be the point? It would be a sorry sight and like any champion you want to look your best. I was just trying to make a point.
All I'm trying to say is that you are minimizing the role of hormones in bb today. It is extremely unlikely that you can win the IFBB Universe lifetime hormone free. Mike Ashley was not lifetime hormone free when he "won" the AC. You have been on the forefront of chemical experimentation (the insulin, the IV bags, the overuse of SEO - you get the point) and you still minimize the role of the drugs while you clearly know better.
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Hey kyomu. nice chicken legs buddy...
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Does anyone have pics of Mike Ashley, or know of a gallery online? I'd like to see some pics of his gyno titties that I've seen before. :D
Here
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I just keep on posting here for not disappering from first page.
I hope the deal is on.
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No, I don't take the current testing methodologies lightly. I specifically said that if one was subjected to the current state of the art testing (periodically during a prep, not just on contest day) I personally would feel confident the individual didn't take any steroid hormones. I have read up on it also, WADA has the documents up online (regarding what they look for). Now, in the 80's and 90's passing them on a specific date was much easier, you could take d-bol until 2 weeks out no problem, etc. That's why I feel the athletes at the AC and the O in '91 were still taking stuff very close to the contest (and Haney for example was still 20lbs smaller that year!!!). Now of course I know you would never try to compete drug free, what would be the point? It would be a sorry sight and like any champion you want to look your best. I was just trying to make a point.
All I'm trying to say is that you are minimizing the role of hormones in bb today. It is extremely unlikely that you can win the IFBB Universe lifetime hormone free. Mike Ashley was not lifetime hormone free when he "won" the AC. You have been on the forefront of chemical experimentation (the insulin, the IV bags, the overuse of SEO - you get the point) and you still minimize the role of the drugs while you clearly know better.
I don't have time right now (work) but just to mention - I do not minimaze the role...but certainly telling everyone not to maximize...on the same note.
YES, AS do help tremendously...but not as much as people believe...
I am coming up with specific supplements that would be HORMONE FREE...and I would love to have natural for life athletes as the volunteers...
I can guarantee that in 30 days time - if following the protocol athletes will get drug like improvements...
Now, I would really like to test the most sceptical ones - any takers?
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"on these pictures...BTW nice clear pictures I might add...your face is clearly recognisable...and could not be someone else...now - could it be?) "
Well I have post it already but i repost them.
1st pic 75kg-1995
2nd pic 80kg guest pose-1996
3rd pic 97kg now
4th pic 100kg 2 month before
Sorry to tell you the truth...but since 1995 it doesn't look like you gain anything but...OK...I would not say it again...
And I didn't have a time to read your other post...I'll leave it for desert later tonight.
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Milo's
How's your leg since the tear?
100% back to where it was & is it noticeable?
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Milos...Id definately like to try out your supplements.
I cant tell you if i was ever natural or not for the fact that Im in the military but I really believe in youre words, training, and integrity....
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I like guys like milos and bob chic who always say that steroids are only a minor part of the equation, but who are so scared to see how they would look like without it that they never went off since years...
What a joke...they don't even know how they would look like without it, cause they never tried to come off.
And they keep pretending they would look the same.... but how would they know, it's beyond em to do it naturally, cause they elevated their insecurity to the state of an art and are so used to bullshit the others that the now bullshit themselves.
As i said it, people on steroids lie to themselves, and as a consequence, spend their life lying to the others.
The best proof is most of the time they will deny being on steroids. Why? cause they can't even accept what they re doing, and that it's an obvious case of mental illness when psychological insecurity is pushing so far.
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I like guys like milos and bob chic who always say that steroids are only a minor part of the equation, but who are so scared to see how they would look like without it that they never went off since years...
What a joke...they don't even know how they would look like without it, cause they never tried to come off.
how do you know that they never come off, skinny?
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how do you know that they never come off, skinny?
shut up fat pork.
Keep sucking your heroes dicks.
The proof they never come off, is that they re ON you fucking retard.Cause they just can't spend more than a week off, it's too depressing; their psychological hapiness depends of their body , if their body shrinks to a normal shape, they don't feel like superman anymore.
Most of juicers are addicted to the feeling of being like "supermen"...and they can't stop cycling, especially after they tried to go off just to see. Like some people need alchohol or heroin to feel good, these guys need to be on steroids to be happy.
a natural needs to lift, to feel good. A Steroid monkey needs ...to be on steroids, to feel good.As coratch said it, most of em even need to be on steroids just to lift!
Why don't u get a job by the way? one would have think that being unemployed would have allowed you to be in shape, but look, you re a fat pig.
Damn, you suck; you cant get shit right.
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how do you know that they never come off, skinny?
haha what does this little bagette munching queer know? ::)
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shut up fat pork.
Keep sucking your heroes dicks.
The proof they never come off, is that they re ON you fucking retard.Cause they just can't spend more than a week off, it's too depressing; their psychological hapiness depends of their body , if their body shrinks to a normal shape, they don't feel like superman anymore.
Most of juicers are addicted to the feeling of being like "supermen"...and they can't stop cycling, especially after they tried to go off just to see. Like some people need alchohol or heroin to feel good, these guys need to be on steroids to be happy.
a natural needs to lift, to feel good. A Steroid monkey needs ...to be on steroids, to feel good.As coratch said it, most of em even need to be on steroids just to lift!
Why don't u get a job by the way? one would have think that being unemployed would have allowed you to be in shape, but look, you re a fat pig.
Damn, you suck; you cant get shit right.
just what i thought, you have absolutely no proof......BTW i put your skank of a mother on the streets to make me money. ;D
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just what i thought, you have absolutely no proof......BTW i put your skank of a mother on the streets to make me money. ;D
Why am i wasting my time with you, you don't even know what muscle is, you only see muscles on others people's bodies.
there's only fat on your body, why are you here?
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Why am i wasting my time with you, you don't even know what muscle is, you only see muscles on others people's bodies.
there's only fat on your body, why are you here?
my arms are bigger than your chest fagggot.
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I don't have time right now (work) but just to mention - I do not minimaze the role...but certainly telling everyone not to maximize...on the same note.
YES, AS do help tremendously...but not as much as people believe...
I am coming up with specific supplements that would be HORMONE FREE...and I would love to have natural for life athletes as the volunteers...
I can guarantee that in 30 days time - if following the protocol athletes will get drug like improvements...
Now, I would really like to test the most sceptical ones - any takers?
Sign me up.
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Sorry to tell you the truth...but since 1995 it doesn't look like you gain anything but...OK...I would not say it again...
And I didn't have a time to read your other post...I'll leave it for desert later tonight.
I told it to my friends and all of them are laughing at you and surprised at this comment saying"Verdad que ha dicho eso!?(Really did he say that!?)".
Dont worry.You have plenty of time to reply me.
I am waiting.
I know you are a guy who never escape ;)
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how do you know that they never come off, skinny?
Well, and I'm speculating of course, but take someone like Milos for example: he competed extremely frequently for a LONG time, meaning he was ON most of the time. Most of the time the HPTA never recover fully after years of doing this. When we have an athlete like this it's actually healthier to stay on some test than cleaning out completely. Therefore I'd venture to guess that Milos is on at least some HRT when he is "off". I don't think he'd be able to carry the amount of mass he does currently, with amazing conditioning year round too, if he was totally off everything. Like I said, it's not even healthy to go around with low test so there isn't even any point from a health standpoint. You can maintain a lot if you are on a low dose of test (and some hGH). This is what most of the retired pros who still carry good physiques do.
Do you disagree?
Mike Morris probably cleaned out totally and we all saw the result.
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I am coming up with specific supplements that would be HORMONE FREE...and I would love to have natural for life athletes as the volunteers...
I can guarantee that in 30 days time - if following the protocol athletes will get drug like improvements...
Now, I would really like to test the most sceptical ones - any takers?
I am looking forward to seeing your line of supplements. If they are unique, and there is something in them never done before by a supplement company I'll try them for sure.
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I told it to my friends and all of them are laughing at you and surprised at this comment saying"Verdad que ha dicho eso!?(Really did he say that!?)".
Dont worry.You have plenty of time to reply me.
I am waiting.
I know you are a guy who never escape ;)
Same friends that are telling you how handsome, smart, funny, good looking...etc, etc...you truly are - while you are paying for dinner or drinks?
I was being nice...What happen to you is...disaster of Titanic proportions... ;)
Just look at your "after" and "before"...it should be the other way around Mamba.
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I am looking forward to seeing your line of supplements. If they are unique, and there is something in them never done before by a supplement company I'll try them for sure.
I will explain everything in great details and I hope that even sceptics will agree that IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE to take them...and I have a feeling many will.
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Same friends that are telling you how handsome, smart, funny, good looking...etc, etc...you truly are - while you are paying for dinner or drinks?
I was being nice...What happen to you is...disaster of Titanic proportions... ;)
Just look at your "after" and "before"...it should be the other way around Mamba.
As i stated, I was at this fat condition once with 87kg. And now 97kg with this fat condition.
Every month you will see drastical difference and i will be in contest condition with 83kg(Of course without drinking water too).
My weight was 75kg in this 1995pic.
Also telling you, why dont you say same thing to Mr.Priest who have never be beaten by you?He is pretty fat in off-season, But,under his fat, there are plenty of mass than you.
I told you, i am preparing for contest again.Or you didnt read my post before?
MY BEST CONDITION IN 2 MONTH WILL BEAT YOUR OLD NATURAL BODY OR NOT.
That is the deal isnt that?
Are you escaping?
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As i stated, I was at this fat condition once with 87kg. And now 97kg with this fat condition.
Every month you will see drastical difference and i will be in contest condition with 83kg(Of course without drinking water too).
My weight was 75kg in this 1995pic.
Also telling you, why dont you say same thing to Mr.Priest who have never be beaten by you?He is pretty fat in off-season, But,under his fat, there are plenty of mass than you.
I told you, i am preparing for contest again.Or you didnt read my post before?
MY BEST CONDITION IN 2 MONTH WILL BEAT YOUR OLD NATURAL BODY OR NOT.
That is the deal isnt that?
Are you escaping?
OK Mamba, enough is enough...
It is one thing trying to communicate and another - allowing yourself to talk too much trash on continuous bases.
Face it - you are BELOW AVERAGE trainee...and you are FAT AS A PIG...Embarrassingly out of shape.
Yes, you've been in shape once 12 years ago and you live in your past - but nevertheless talk so big - like you have accomplished something special.
So much so - that you believe you are much better than me (as a natural...for example).
Wake up and smell the coffee...and take extra cup with your ACE stack to treat your obesity...as at this point - it might save your life. ;D
And as far as Lee - yes he beat me many times before - just like I managed to beat him several times as well...but why would you even mention him? Again - to compare yourself to other professional?
I have one word for you: LIPOSUCTION...actually two: add NOW...or (5 more): FOR THE LOVE OF GOD...(OK - few more): BEFORE IS TOO LATE ;D
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OK Mamba, enough is enough...
It is one thing trying to communicate and another - allowing yourself to talk too much trash on continuous bases.
Face it - you are BELOW AVERAGE trainee...and you are FAT AS A PIG...Embarrassingly out of shape.
Yes, you've been in shape once 12 years ago and you live in your past - but nevertheless talk so big - like you have accomplished something special.
So much so - that you believe you are much better than me (as a natural...for example).
Wake up and smell the coffee...and take extra cup with your ACE stack to treat your obesity...as at this point - it might save your life. ;D
And as far as Lee - yes he beat me many times before - just like I managed to beat him several times as well...but why would you even mention him? Again - to compare yourself to other professional?
I have one word for you: LIPOSUCTION...actually two: add NOW...or (5 more): FOR THE LOVE OF GOD...(OK - few more): BEFORE IS TOO LATE ;D
;D ;D OK.
Anyway,you are bypassing the deal. You are simply afraid the challenge.
I am not saying like i accomplished something.
YOU ARE THE GUY WHO START TO BASH ME.
Thats why i explain to you who i am.
I was trying to be nice to you as you told me.
But,now i know clearly, YOU LOVE WAR.
Anyway, i will post again 2 month later(OK,1 month and already i am not fat and i will have decent shape though...) with good condition(I will never bypass or escape like you).And i dont try to say anything to you.As you wish, i will leave you alone.
You have never seen me before(OK you even didnt see my pic before) and you started to bash me.
Now almost sorry for you.
Good luck at your business.
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;D ;D OK.
Anyway,you are bypassing the deal. You are simply afraid the challenge.
I am not saying like i accomplished something.
YOU ARE THE GUY WHO START TO BASH ME.
Thats why i explain to you who i am.
I was trying to be nice to you as you told me.
But,now i know clearly, YOU LOVE WAR.
Anyway, i will post again 2 month later(OK,1 month and already i am not fat and i will have decent shape though...) with good condition(I will never bypass or escape like you).And i dont try to say anything to you.As you wish, i will leave you alone.
You have never seen me before(OK you even didnt see my pic before) and you started to bash me.
Now almost sorry for you.
Good luck at your business.
What challenge?
Like chicken can challenge a butcher?
You really can FLY...Now I understand... ;)
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What challenge?
Like chicken can challenge a butcher?
You really can FLY...Now I understand... ;)
Dont worry. Its not a first time I shed my fat.
Anyway,why dont you post your pic when you were NATURAL??
Then I will shut up for sure.
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Remember I offered 10000$ to you in the challenge for drug test also..
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Remember I offered 10000$ to you in the challenge for drug test also..
This is news to me...
What was your offer?
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Well Read again busy boy.
First of all,I am not in the Gym all day like you. I own a japanese sweets production company for japanese restaurant here.More than BBing,I practice chi-kung more also.
And i have not lived for bbing only like you. I did several business like vending japanese animation,videos and organizing event(Of course many people came,much much more than your seminar.7000 people in 3 days.). And now I have been in food industry for 5 years. Razing my company was a battle for me, i was sleeping only 4 hours every day....
I have several pics after the competition also as i did guest posing in several disco.I will try to find them out..
As for challenge,i am not talking about 1995 version.
I AM TALKING ABOUT NOW version.You also had better read well.
Because i am keeping on being natural,and i gained more than 10 kg of pure muscle.(Since you called its becon...)
I know how to scale muscle gain since i also competed some(OK of course much much less than you.I have competed 7 shows)
In this pic I was 75kg.In off season i was like 85kg.
Now I am 97kg almost same condition as that 85kg. Thats why i know what will happen when i shed my fat off.
Also now i can train with much much heavier than before.(Of course, keep on training with very strict form)
When i am in shape,soon i will post 7 mandatorys.
Anyway, I will compete again in very near future. Its very good ocasion to challenge you.
Thats why I wanted to visit you before competing and learning some technic from you.
I can learn from Paco ,but why i cant learn from you also?
About natural. How about this.
If you accept my challenge and i win,i will visit you for sure and you do drug test to me using whoever you want.
If the result is positive,i will pay you that doping test cost plus 10000$.
If the result is negative,you will pay for that doping test cost plus paying my motel during staying there 2 weeks(Near your gym) plus train me free.
How is this??
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Dont worry. Its not a first time I shed my fat.
Anyway,why dont you post your pic when you were NATURAL??
Then I will shut up for sure.
You think that provocative requests would change the way I respond here?
As I said before - I am not bothered with neither attacks or provocative questions, requests, challenges...
That's for insecure people who need to bark as they can't bite...
I chose my words...and I called you a chicken in comparison to me - who is a butcher in this instance...
Your chances are as good as tight up chicken next to pissed off butcher ready to strike...So - please...
What's next - you'll ask Angelina Jolie to post her photos to compare her with your first girlfriend...and your friends (her relatives) will be a judges?
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I like guys like milos and bob chic who always say that steroids are only a minor part of the equation, but who are so scared to see how they would look like without it that they never went off since years...
What a joke...they don't even know how they would look like without it, cause they never tried to come off.
And they keep pretending they would look the same.... but how would they know, it's beyond em to do it naturally, cause they elevated their insecurity to the state of an art and are so used to bullshit the others that the now bullshit themselves.
As i said it, people on steroids lie to themselves, and as a consequence, spend their life lying to the others.
The best proof is most of the time they will deny being on steroids. Why? cause they can't even accept what they re doing, and that it's an obvious case of mental illness when psychological insecurity is pushing so far.
::) Here is another KNOW IT ALL expert...
I have journals since 1987 - and I wrote every single thing I ever took (besides my diet, supplements and training....).
I was OFF more than ON since I start using steroids...
What some of you don't realize is: DIFFERENCE between USING and ABUSING.
Correct usage is something that could be even HEALTH beneficial...and I have a lot of proofs for that...
Abuse is another story...
So, for many of you simply stating that Bob, myself...and many other professionals USE steroids on occasion it's not enough - as you unequivocally know EXACTLY what we take...and regardless of what we say - you know better? ::)
Please...
But, soon enough I will give some clear points about HRT and openly talk about AS - just so people can finally realize how much misinformation about AS circles around.
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Well Read again busy boy.
First of all,I am not in the Gym all day like you. I own a japanese sweets production company for japanese restaurant here.More than BBing,I practice chi-kung more also.
And i have not lived for bbing only like you. I did several business like vending japanese animation,videos and organizing event(Of course many people came,much much more than your seminar.7000 people in 3 days.). And now I have been in food industry for 5 years. Razing my company was a battle for me, i was sleeping only 4 hours every day....
I have several pics after the competition also as i did guest posing in several disco.I will try to find them out..
As for challenge,i am not talking about 1995 version.
I AM TALKING ABOUT NOW version.You also had better read well.
Because i am keeping on being natural,and i gained more than 10 kg of pure muscle.(Since you called its becon...)
I know how to scale muscle gain since i also competed some(OK of course much much less than you.I have competed 7 shows)
In this pic I was 75kg.In off season i was like 85kg.
Now I am 97kg almost same condition as that 85kg. Thats why i know what will happen when i shed my fat off.
Also now i can train with much much heavier than before.(Of course, keep on training with very strict form)
When i am in shape,soon i will post 7 mandatorys.
Anyway, I will compete again in very near future. Its very good ocasion to challenge you.
Thats why I wanted to visit you before competing and learning some technic from you.
I can learn from Paco ,but why i cant learn from you also?
About natural. How about this.
If you accept my challenge and i win,i will visit you for sure and you do drug test to me using whoever you want.
If the result is positive,i will pay you that doping test cost plus 10000$.
If the result is negative,you will pay for that doping test cost plus paying my motel during staying there 2 weeks(Near your gym) plus train me free.
How is this??
"If you accpet the challenge and I win?!"
Why don't you just say: if tied up chicken kills a butcher (with a biggest knife)...
If hells freezes over...etc...And for that - you can put cool Million as a bet...as you know it would never happen.
And I mentioned BACON as I was being nice...bacon has SOME MEAT...more appropriate was: LARD... ;)
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But, soon enough I will give some clear points about HRT and openly talk about AS - just so people can finally realize how much misinformation about AS circles around.
All I want to know is if you are on HRT or if you clean out totally. If you are on HRT when "off", like I think you are, I wouldn't consider that as being clean.
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"If you accpet the challenge and I win?!"
Why don't you just say: if tied up chicken kills a butcher (with a biggest knife)...
If hells freezes over...etc...And for that - you can put cool Million as a bet...as you know it would never happen.
And I mentioned BACON as I was being nice...bacon has SOME MEAT...more appropriate was: LARD... ;)
You didnt read well as ususal.
I said" For doping".
You said"This is new to me".
Bacon...OK.
I can turn myself into lean body in 2 months.
But how about you juice head, Can you live without steroid and clean your body in two month?
Before you worry about my health why dont you worry about your health of long year steroid usage?
Your teststeron level without juice will be miserable,sorry for you....
You can call me fat lard during only two months,but i call you juiced bber FOREVER.
If you dont want,WHY DONT YOU POST YOUR PIC WHEN YOU WERE NATURAL??
Hahahahahahahaha!!! You dont! Because,OLD NATURAL VERSION OF YOU WERE TINY SHIT!
YOU WERE IN DANGER THAT I BEAT YOU(OLD NATURAL VERSION) IN TWO MONTHS!!
When people look at you and ALWAYS people talk about S T E R O I D!!!!!!
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Since I am a chicken who can be killed by butcher so easily,
WHY DONT YOU POST YOUR NATURAL AGE PIC
to kill this chicken who is typing computer now??
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All I want to know is if you are on HRT or if you clean out totally. If you are on HRT when "off", like I think you are, I wouldn't consider that as being clean.
You are demanding him impossible!
Without juice, he will choke himself to die!
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You are demanding him impossible!
Without juice, he will choke himself to die!
English courses take them!!
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You didnt read well as ususal.
I said" For doping".
You said"This is new to me".
Bacon...OK.
I can turn myself into lean body in 2 months.
But how about you juice head, Can you live without steroid and clean your body in two month?
Before you worry about my health why dont you worry about your health of long year steroid usage?
Your teststeron level without juice will be miserable,sorry for you....
You can call me fat lard during only two months,but i call you juiced bber FOREVER.
If you dont want,WHY DONT YOU POST YOUR PIC WHEN YOU WERE NATURAL??
Hahahahahahahaha!!! You dont! Because,OLD NATURAL VERSION OF YOU WERE TINY SHIT!
YOU WERE IN DANGER THAT I BEAT YOU(OLD NATURAL VERSION) IN TWO MONTHS!!
When people look at you and ALWAYS people talk about S T E R O I D!!!!!!
This is when you loose the privilege of communicating with me - as it is pointless waste of time for me to "argue" with someone like you...
For your information (and Van Bilderass) I was under investigation by the DEA (if you even remember...).
Now, if you would even think for a second - if tested (for steroids or any other drugs) at the time of the investigation (duration of more than 2 years) and found POSITIVE - I would face just a "little" problems...don't you think?
Off course - if I would even tell you that at the time of the investigation I absolutely did not use anything (and DEA didn't find NOTHING in my entire house searched up and down - hence could not charge me with the possession) - you would still not believe me...(but at the same time I have to unconditionally believe that most of you who claim to be drug free for life - are indeed drug free...)
So on one side - even if I had MAJOR danger of being found POSITIVE - you will still assume that I would take the risk ::)...and if for example I would be tested and pass - you will again conclude that "I cheated" - anyway... ::)
So - how can I ever win this argument?
On top of that - my testosterone levels are ABOVE the reference range - and it was the same for over two years WITHOUT the "juice"...
Why?
Anyone who knows my cycles would know the reason ;)...also - there are MANY NATURAL WAYS to increase testosterone levels...but for that you need a little knowledge and a research (which just happens to be something that I have...)
Finally, did you ever wonder how someone like me doesn't fluctuate much in body weight and overall appearance - but some of you so called "naturals" [ Mr. Mamba for example ::)] for life balloon up after the show and can't get in shape for more than 10 years?
It is really comical... ;)...but I guess I should also put: Hahahahahahahahahaha...t o make myself look like I am winning the argument...Oh boy...
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This is when you loose the privilege of communicating with me - as it is pointless waste of time for me to "argue" with someone like you...
For your information (and Van Bilderass) I was under investigation by the DEA (if you even remember...).
Now, if you would even think for a second - if tested (for steroids or any other drugs) at the time of the investigation (duration of more than 2 years) and found POSITIVE - I would face just a "little" problems...don't you think?
Off course - if I would even tell you that at the time of the investigation I absolutely did not use anything (and DEA didn't find NOTHING in my entire house searched up and down - hence could not charge me with the possession) - you would still not believe me...(but at the same time I have to unconditionally believe that most of you who claim to be drug free for life - are indeed drug free...)
So on one side - even if I had MAJOR danger of being found POSITIVE - you will still assume that I would take the risk ::)...and if for example I would be tested and pass - you will again conclude that "I cheated" - anyway... ::)
So - how can I ever win this argument?
On top of that - my testosterone levels are ABOVE the reference range - and it was the same for over two years WITHOUT the "juice"...
Why?
Anyone who knows my cycles would know the reason ;)...also - there are MANY NATURAL WAYS to increase testosterone levels...but for that you need a little knowledge and a research (which just happens to be something that I have...)
Finally, did you ever wonder how someone like me doesn't fluctuate much in body weight and overall appearance - but some of you so called "naturals" [ Mr. Mamba for example ::)] for life balloon up after the show and can't get in shape for more than 10 years?
It is really comical... ;)...but I guess I should also put: Hahahahahahahahahaha...t o make myself look like I am winning the argument...Oh boy...
If you have a legitimate script for hypogonadism I don't think the LE could do anything about it?? I don't know, I'm asking. Maybe your doctor could prescribe steroids and GH due to your burns? You did say you were taking prescribed Oxandrin after your accident. Recently Ronnie's home was searched and he had prescribed steroids - did he commit a crime? Tons of pros have "HRT" scripts. Lee Priest has said he has no problems flying with the stuff since he has legitimate scripts. Bob Chic says he is all legal. Ronnie has said he "isn't natural but he is legal". Maybe your case was different and you could not use steroids even for legitimate (or semi-legitimate) medical reasons? So I'm asking again (I'm not accusing you, I just want to be clear on this matter): you didn't use or have in your possession even legally prescribed steroids? For 2 whole years?
BTW, I know quite a bit about how you could increase natural testosterone. I doubt you could tell me anything I don't know. But please talk about it if you can, I always want to learn.
:)
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This is when you loose the privilege of communicating with me - as it is pointless waste of time for me to "argue" with someone like you...
For your information (and Van Bilderass) I was under investigation by the DEA (if you even remember...).
Now, if you would even think for a second - if tested (for steroids or any other drugs) at the time of the investigation (duration of more than 2 years) and found POSITIVE - I would face just a "little" problems...don't you think?
Off course - if I would even tell you that at the time of the investigation I absolutely did not use anything (and DEA didn't find NOTHING in my entire house searched up and down - hence could not charge me with the possession) - you would still not believe me...(but at the same time I have to unconditionally believe that most of you who claim to be drug free for life - are indeed drug free...)
So on one side - even if I had MAJOR danger of being found POSITIVE - you will still assume that I would take the risk ::)...and if for example I would be tested and pass - you will again conclude that "I cheated" - anyway... ::)
So - how can I ever win this argument?
On top of that - my testosterone levels are ABOVE the reference range - and it was the same for over two years WITHOUT the "juice"...
Why?
Anyone who knows my cycles would know the reason ;)...also - there are MANY NATURAL WAYS to increase testosterone levels...but for that you need a little knowledge and a research (which just happens to be something that I have...)
Finally, did you ever wonder how someone like me doesn't fluctuate much in body weight and overall appearance - but some of you so called "naturals" [ Mr. Mamba for example ::)] for life balloon up after the show and can't get in shape for more than 10 years?
It is really comical... ;)...but I guess I should also put: Hahahahahahahahahaha...t o make myself look like I am winning the argument...Oh boy...
Hahahahahahaha!!!
Ok Listen.
YOU ARE THE PERSON WHO TOLD ME TO BE NICE.
AND I WAS KEEP ON BEING NICE.
BUT WHO START BASH WHO?
It was YOU who started BASH ME.
I dont have any problem with anybody here BUT YOU.
Even the squadfather and The shadow treat me right and i am appriciated.
In this summer,i was seriously thinking about visiting you for getting your instruction.
For me it was like a dream to train with the bbing superstar like you.
But In any case(even if i treat you good), you attack me and getting worse the stuation.
So Whats is that privilage of talking with you for?
I dont need it anymore though.
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Hahahahahahaha!!!
Ok Listen.
YOU ARE THE PERSON WHO TOLD ME TO BE NICE.
AND I WAS KEEP ON BEING NICE.
BUT WHO START BASH WHO?
It was YOU who started BASH ME.
I dont have any problem with anybody here BUT YOU.
Even the squadfather and The shadow treat me right and i am appriciated.
In this summer,i was seriously thinking about visiting you for getting your instruction.
For me it was like a dream to train with the bbing superstar like you.
But In any case(even if i treat you good), you attack me and getting worse the stuation.
So Whats is that privilage of talking with you for?
I dont need it anymore though.
:'( :'( :'(
;)
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Ok so I trained arms again yesterday and 2 of my friends came with me.
we did 5 giant sets of 6 exercise for biceps and the same thing for triceps.
now after we finished the biceps, the 2 of them said: "Dude it is way too much sets, we will overtrain"
I bitched slapped both of them and instead of doing the normal giant sets for the triceps, we did every exercise with a drop set too !!!!!
Needless to say, they were owned at the end of the training and I plan to destroy them again today with the shoulders and abs workout 8)
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Ok so I trained arms again yesterday and 2 of my friends came with me.
we did 5 giant sets of 6 exercise for biceps and the same thing for triceps.
now after we finished the biceps, the 2 of them said: "Dude it is way too much sets, we will overtrain"
I bitched slapped both of them and instead of doing the normal giant sets for the triceps, we did every exercise with a drop set too !!!!!
Needless to say, they were owned at the end of the training and I plan to destroy them again today with the shoulders and abs workout 8)
Good man.
OVERTRAINING mentioning = accepting that you are sissy ;)
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Good man.
OVERTRAINING mentioning = accepting that you are sissy ;)
Milos, do you remember the sissy who said, "stimulate, don't annihilate"? ;) :D
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Good man.
OVERTRAINING mentioning = accepting that you are sissy ;)
hey milo's do you think that overtraining is actually hard to acheive and that more often than not it is lack or nutrition and sleep that causes sympton of overtraining??
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Milos, do you remember the sissy who said, "stimulate, don't annihilate"? ;) :D
Lee Haney?
Have you heard him mentioning overtraining?
I said people who keep mentioning whatever they see as "overtraining" are sissies ;D...For some - 2 sets of whatever is overtraining as one should be more than enough...
Amount of work one does is obviously POSSIBLE - as he/she just finished...now after that OTHER FACTORS determine if that workout will be effective (stimulating...and creating ANABOLISM) or annihilating (counterproductive and causing CATABOLISM)...
As I said - there is no such a thing as overtraining - there is only under-eating and under-sleeping ;)
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hey milo's do you think that overtraining is actually hard to beleive and that more often than not it is lack or nutrition and sleep that causes sympton of overtraining??
;)
Read previous post.
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People that try the Milos workout for the first time always comment on how sore they were. No Shit. If I tried to run a 26 mile marathon I'm pretty sure my legs will be killing me for weeks. That doesn't mean that I am growing and will be Mr. Olympia one day.
The major problem with the Milos method is that the body will get used to that workout and you will be working nothing more than your cardiovascular system. I'm pretty sure if I trained for a marathon that after a couple weeks the soreness in my legs would go away as well.
The only benefit from the Milos program is to break-up a mundane routine that has grown stagnant. Nothing wrong with working out with pyramid sets, drop set or straight sets for a few months then throwing in a week of the Milos method. Doing his method all the time is not going to entice growth. If it did he would have won more than one show out of the 175 he competed in.
It is especially funny seeing who is commenting on this method. So far there are two asians and one female. Basically people of smaller stature, small bone structures and the inability to grow muscularly as males of other cultures.
Giant sets, super sets, whatever you want to call it. Pounding out 10 curls with 5 lb dumbells, the 10 pound preachers plus 2.5 pound concentration curls is not going to turn you into the hulk. You will simply activate the Type I ( Slow Twitch muscle fibers ) and increase endurance but that's about it.
If I'm going to pay for some cheesy trainer, I'd rather do squats on a swiss ball. HARDCORE!
Look at yourself in the mirror and then look at milos....and then STFU.
you dont have a leg to stand on. he is a champion-paid to be a BB, and owns a gym. .... and you?
you pay to use someones gym. ... so again, STFU