Problems with the Milos Workout

[Van_Bilderass]

Yeah. Seriously right.
If Milos present very good physic naturaly,it will be really standing out news and very high value among fans.
And honestly, i would like him to compete in natural state.
I have confidence that the guy will present better physic than Paul jean.Much better.

The thing is I don't think he is completely clean "more than half the time" like he has claimed. I'd be very surprised if he wasn't on HRT when he is "off". I could be wrong of course, but I just don't see his him having normal testosterone production after such a long career (and doing so many contests, which means means he was on most of the time when he competed frequently). So I don't see him competing under the stipulations I mentioned (i.e. NO hormones, even HRT). Would be interesting to see though but I don't think it will happen. We all saw what Mike Morris looked like when he cleaned out completely (night and day difference).

[knny187]

Paul Jean or Jean Paul...Guillaume is just exceptional bodybuilder - and many would never accept that he is drug free - so I used him as an example as well.
There are THOUSANDS of others around the world - but sceptics would just NOT want to believe it anyway...

When "naturals" really put everything together - they will realize how far they can really go...
Pharmaceuticals play only a small part in this whole equation.

I agree....he is exceptional...but "100% natural"??

I would say "doubt it" but really who cares what he wants to claim.

Yes...I agree....Pharmaceuticals play a small role in the entire equation as a bodybuilder

[dearth]

Pharmaceuticals play only a small part in this whole equation.

ha ha, Milos in denial. Classic

[kyomu]

The thing is I don't think he is completely clean "more than half the time" like he has claimed. I'd be very surprised if he wasn't on HRT when he is "off". I could be wrong of course, but I just don't see his him having normal testosterone production after such a long career (and doing so many contests, which means means he was on most of the time when he competed frequently). So I don't see him competing under the stipulations I mentioned (i.e. NO hormones, even HRT). Would be interesting to see though but I don't think it will happen. We all saw what Mike Morris looked like when he cleaned out completely (night and day difference).

Oh..Like you said, I didnt count that truth:Long time usage of steroid lower the level of natural testosterone level...

[BUCK 65]

Milos has been nothing but honest
Why attack him or be overly critical ?
People go to him obviously because they get results.
I am presuming that they go to him clean or juiced long before they seek the higher level of training he provides.
Stop making him out to be anything other than he is-obviously a very qualified trainer-simple as that.

[Milos_Sarcev]

I have a serious idea for you. Why not do your comeback 100% clean and show us how a previous drug user can look drug free? Maybe you could find someone to sponsor you with funds for IOC/WADA type drug testing, a test every couple of weeks leading up to your show. Along with the usual steroid test have them check for exogenous testosterone to assure you aren't on HRT (the isotope test), the new GH test, and monitor all suspicious changes in hormone levels. Even this type of testing isn't foolproof but it would reasonably say you aren't on exogenous hormones at least. Since you are mostly off (according to your previous posts) you could look amazing totally clean right?

My #1 priority in life is to convince you and people alike...
I really have absolutely nothing else in my plans but that...so why don't you organize and pay for IOC lab to do testing every 2 weeks - or you are sugesting - I should also pay for that?
Now, when I pass the tests would that also be taken as OK - he is clean...or - "he knows how to pass the test"?

[kyomu]

My #1 priority in life is to convince you and people alike...
I really have absolutely nothing else in my plans but that...so why don't you organize and pay for IOC lab to do testing every 2 weeks - or you are sugesting - I should also pay for that?
Now, when I pass the tests would that also be taken as OK - he is clean...or - "he knows how to pass the test"?

Even if there is no test,I and few people totaly believe you if you compete naturaly.
Since competing naturaly is much easier than competing with juice,why dont you do it?

[Big N]

My #1 priority in life is to convince you and people alike...
I really have absolutely nothing else in my plans but that...so why don't you organize and pay for IOC lab to do testing every 2 weeks - or you are sugesting - I should also pay for that?
Now, when I pass the tests would that also be taken as OK - he is clean...or - "he knows how to pass the test"?

I like how you talk in 3rd person Milos 

[Milos_Sarcev]

Of course I cannot know anything for certain, but there is a thing called common sense. It doesn't make sense that someone like Ashley could finish second behind Ray and beat a whole field of heavily drugged bodybuilders at the Arnold Classic. I don't care how great his genetics were, the rest of them were very gifted also. It's also extremely unlikely anyone could win the World Championships lifetime drug free in this day and age. It's just common sense. If they did it's certainly not because they train harder with giant sets, not because they are somehow doing something in the gym no bodybuilder in years past dared to do.

BTW, where is g15? I'd like for him to offer his opinion on whether some of these were drug free. I know he said he had sold steroids to LaCour.

Common sense?
It is common sense NOT TO USE steroids in drug tested show...as our "born again" who never took anything strangely didn't pass - so he had to give quite a bit of cash to deserving winner (Ashley) who BTW - passed the test?
I wonder why?
Because he was clean? or because your majesty's common sense suggests - he knew how to cheat and beat the test?

To add to my previous post - what would be a difference if I would do what you suggest, pass the test and nevertheless be accused - just like you are accusing Mike Ashley in this oh so common sense approach of determining who is drug free and who's not?

[Milos_Sarcev]

Even if there is no test,I and few people totaly believe you if you compete naturaly.
Since competing naturaly is much easier than competing with juice,why dont you do it?

When I am ready to compete I will...Remember - I competed 110 times so far...so competing for me is NO BIG DEAL...

However, why don't you compete...or at least get out of what looks like borderline obesity you are facing if you continue the way you are...
I wonder how some of you could train daily and allow yourself to be so out of shape...

[Milos_Sarcev]

ha ha, Milos in denial. Classic

Do you realize how many MILLIONS of people use AS and other hormones?
Why don't we have millions of Ronnie Coleman's?

While certainly CONTRIBUTING to the equation - it is VERY SMALL PART of making a champion.

[kyomu]

When I am ready to compete I will...Remember - I competed 110 times so far...so competing for me is NO BIG DEAL...

However, why don't you compete...or at least get out of what looks like borderline obesity you are facing if you continue the way you are...
I wonder how some of you could train daily and allow yourself to be so out of shape...

Hey hey hey hey!! Whats up?? Why you bite me again man!? For long years(OK not like you but), I had been lean. And I was appriciating you and why you talk like that?
Of course, you are the master of competition.
But HAVE YOU COMPETED NATURALY IN THOSE PRO SHOW??
Thats why i told you. If you do it,i think you can give a hope and dream to all those who are training naturaly.And I thought you could do good.
Bad comment I made huh?

[mikediesel]

Milos does a person have to be a member at your gym to be able to witness one of the workouts you have with your clients?

[Petrucci]

Milos, serious question. Taking a natural guy for instance, someone who trains for like 2, 3 years only, and does not is a genetic monster or things like that...just a normal guy.
 Do you think your approach of giant sets would be ideal (or maybe even the best thing) to gain mass??? Because we saw the pictures of some 'natural' guys you have trained, but its difficult to know how they looked before. Some of them already compete and things like that...
 And also, if you really believe your methods are that good, would you recomend them all the time??? or would it be too much???
  Its a genuine question, your theories are really interesting, but i always have this doubt in my mind...
 thanks in advance!

[benjamin pearson]

Milos does a person have to be a member at your gym to be able to witness one of the workouts you have with your clients?

you have a cool avatar

[Milos_Sarcev]

Hey hey hey hey!! Whats up?? Why you bite me again man!? For long years(OK not like you but), I had been lean. And I was appriciating you and why you talk like that?
Of course, you are the master of competition.
But HAVE YOU COMPETED NATURALY IN THOSE PRO SHOW??
Thats why i told you. If you do it,i think you can give a hope and dream to all those who are training naturaly.And I thought you could do good.
Bad comment I made huh?

Truth hurts...ha Mamba?
Let's face it: you are training FOR YEARS....don't you think you should be in decent shape AT LEAST?
And why aren't you?

Lack of discipline...or knowledge to do the right thing?

As far as me competing drug free - I entered my first Universe drug free and couple of shows after that here in States...(Ironman amateur, Wally Boyko's show and one more NPC show in 1988...)
I realized that I do need something extra to be competitive - IF I WANT to become professional bodybuilder - and I made my choice.

I never regretted the choice and contrary to what many of you believe - ANABOLIC STAROIDS are not evil destructive drugs.

Actually - they are promoting CONSTRUCTIVE METABOLISM (anabolism) and therefore in many instances (every catabolic condition) AS could be lifesavers.

If used correctly AS can and will enhance someone's health...if used wrongly - it's another story...
And THAT'S WHY KNOWLEDGE IS POWER...but IGNORANCE somehow prevails...

[Milos_Sarcev]

Milos does a person have to be a member at your gym to be able to witness one of the workouts you have with your clients?

No, you can come anytime...

[Milos_Sarcev]

Milos, serious question. Taking a natural guy for instance, someone who trains for like 2, 3 years only, and does not is a genetic monster or things like that...just a normal guy.
 Do you think your approach of giant sets would be ideal (or maybe even the best thing) to gain mass??? Because we saw the pictures of some 'natural' guys you have trained, but its difficult to know how they looked before. Some of them already compete and things like that...
 And also, if you really believe your methods are that good, would you recomend them all the time??? or would it be too much???
  Its a genuine question, your theories are really interesting, but i always have this doubt in my mind...
 thanks in advance!

Accept no limitations as limitation...If you have doubts - you'll never know how far you can go.

As far as training - what do you think is going to create BEST RESULTS - more intense or less intense training?
If you consider that this is THE MOST INTENSE (and I absolutely do) - than you should have your answer...

The rest is - proper nutrition and rest...but that is another story...You were asking for TRAINING - and YES, I believe that someone who trains 2, 3 years certainly can start applying this kind of intense training system....on regular bases.

[Petrucci]

Accept no limitations as limitation...If you have doubts - you'll never know how far you can go.

As far as training - what do you think is going to create BEST RESULTS - more intense or less intense training?
If you consider that this is THE MOST INTENSE (and I absolutely do) - than you should have your answer...

The rest is - proper nutrition and rest...but that is another story...You were asking for TRAINING - and YES, I believe that someone who trains 2, 3 years certainly can start applying this kind of intense training system....on regular bases.

thanks for the answer!!! i was more of a high volume guy for a long time, and i felt good with it, but the results started to decrease a lot...For sure i believe in intensity, and now, for a couple of months i decided to try a completely diferent thing for me, lot less volume and lot more overload and heavier weights...At first i was thinking i would not fell too much 'drained' because it was a lot less volume but the increased overload in weights compensate this. And im liking a lot this training, i already made some progress  in size and strenght, specially thickness.
 But i will study your methods for some time and probably after the experimentation im doing now, i will try your ideas, as they always seemed very interesting to me. 

[Van_Bilderass]

Common sense?
It is common sense NOT TO USE steroids in drug tested show...as our "born again" who never took anything strangely didn't pass - so he had to give quite a bit of cash to deserving winner (Ashley) who BTW - passed the test?
I wonder why?
Because he was clean? or because your majesty's common sense suggests - he knew how to cheat and beat the test?

To add to my previous post - what would be a difference if I would do what you suggest, pass the test and nevertheless be accused - just like you are accusing Mike Ashley in this oh so common sense approach of determining who is drug free and who's not?

Milos, why act so superior and use so much sarcasm? I.E. "your majesty". You seem to have some type of martyr complex. Do you think you are Christ and about to be unfairly crucified? I am simply saying that it's common sense that anabolic steroids are part of what bodybuilding IS ALL ABOUT nowadays. You have said so yourself, in this thread you say you needed them to become a successful pro. Yes, it's common sense that the athletes drop the drugs in time to pass the test but it's not common sense to think they never did them at all. Shawn simply messed up in his calculations, didn't take the testing serious, or whatever. IMO, ALL of them had used steroids in the recent past, they just dropped them in time.

My #1 priority in life is to convince you and people alike...
I really have absolutely nothing else in my plans but that...so why don't you organize and pay for IOC lab to do testing every 2 weeks - or you are sugesting - I should also pay for that?
Now, when I pass the tests would that also be taken as OK - he is clean...or - "he knows how to pass the test"?

I was simply giving you an idea, not saying it should be your priority. It would give you the chance to show how effective your nutritional manipulations are, etc. Could be nice promotion for your supp line. IMO, if state of the art drug testing is applied during the prep it's nowadays almost impossible to use anabolics in any capacity (since they can differentiate between endo and exo test, they look at abnormal fluctuations for example). I think you would crash dramatically in a couple of months, like every other BB, if you didn't take a single milligram of hormone.

[Van_Bilderass]

Does anyone have pics of Mike Ashley, or know of a gallery online? I'd like to see some pics of his gyno titties that I've seen before. 

[Moen]

I just saw the 13/02 episode of the fit show hardcore with back&shoulders with samuel en van amsterdam

Considering how many pounds these guys are moving in such a short time (even if it are pink dumbells), how could this not NOT build muscle

Your stuff looks cool milos, I'm sure going to try it some day

[kyomu]

Truth hurts...ha Mamba?
Let's face it: you are training FOR YEARS....don't you think you should be in decent shape AT LEAST?
And why aren't you?

Lack of discipline...or knowledge to do the right thing?

As far as me competing drug free - I entered my first Universe drug free and couple of shows after that here in States...(Ironman amateur, Wally Boyko's show and one more NPC show in 1988...)
I realized that I do need something extra to be competitive - IF I WANT to become professional bodybuilder - and I made my choice.

I never regretted the choice and contrary to what many of you believe - ANABOLIC STAROIDS are not evil destructive drugs.

Actually - they are promoting CONSTRUCTIVE METABOLISM (anabolism) and therefore in many instances (every catabolic condition) AS could be lifesavers.

If used correctly AS can and will enhance someone's health...if used wrongly - it's another story...
And THAT'S WHY KNOWLEDGE IS POWER...but IGNORANCE somehow prevails...

Truth hurts? What are you talking about? Decent shape? What do you call decent shape?
If you say that i should look like a pro,you are right.
But....

THEN I CHALLENGE YOU.
Post your pic when you were drug free
Then i will be in decent condition enough to post here.
And let the getbiggers vote who is better.
Deal?

And also,you want to say this?
"Using anabolic steroid inteligently is more clever than training without anabolic steroid."
Do you want to say this?
So do you want to say that i am not in decent shape because i dont use anabolic steroid?
Please give me an answer.

Remember, I gained more than 10kg of pure natural beef since these 1995 pics

[Milos_Sarcev]

Truth hurts? What are you talking about? Decent shape? What do you call decent shape?
If you say that i should look like a pro,you are right.
But....

THEN I CHALLENGE YOU.
Post your pic when you were drug free
Then i will be in decent condition enough to post here.
And let the getbiggers vote who is better.
Deal?

And also,you want to say this?
"Using anabolic steroid inteligently is more clever than training without anabolic steroid."
Do you want to say this?
So do you want to say that i am not in decent shape because i dont use anabolic steroid?
Please give me an answer.

Remember, I gained more than 10kg of pure natural beef since these 1995 pics

Mamba, mamba...are you turning green?
#1) Why posting photos more than 10 years old?
You live in the past?
What happen since than?
You obviously love bodybuilding (here every day for hours) and God knows how many hours in the gym...just to be overweight and out of shape?
Sad - indeed.

#2) As far as "Natural" comments - again, when I talk about anyone being drug free - everyone jumps on conclusions claiming there is no way mentioned guys are drug free...But, you and others - when you claim you are drug free (on these pictures...BTW nice clear pictures I might add...your face is clearly recognisable...and could not be someone else...now - could it be?) - we suppose to believe you?

As far as comparing my Natural photos with yours - gladly - do some search and you'll find them.
I was more muscular and leaner before I even started bodybuilding than you on these pics... (Side effect of swimming, judo and karate training - before I started bodybuilding)


And if you don't understand English - don't assume what I think about Anabolics...and don't print your interpretation...
I wrote clearly - and you can go back and read it again.

Now - YOU SHOULD remember (not me) that you gained more than 10kg of pure natural bacon (rather than beef ) since these 1995 pics...
Only thing that got bigger is your stomach, face...and obviously EGO...

As I said - truth does hurts...and you can check it anytime: just look in the mirror. Do you see a bodybuilder?
I didn't think so...

[The Squadfather]

Truth hurts? What are you talking about? Decent shape? What do you call decent shape?
If you say that i should look like a pro,you are right.
But....

THEN I CHALLENGE YOU.
Post your pic when you were drug free
Then i will be in decent condition enough to post here.
And let the getbiggers vote who is better.
Deal?

And also,you want to say this?
"Using anabolic steroid inteligently is more clever than training without anabolic steroid."
Do you want to say this?
So do you want to say that i am not in decent shape because i dont use anabolic steroid?
Please give me an answer.

Remember, I gained more than 10kg of pure natural beef since these 1995 pics

hahahahahaha, "pure natural beef".