Problems with the Milos Workout

[Milos_Sarcev]

Your quick to respond to bashers, but ignore those that have always respected you and wanted to learn from knowledge, thanks anyway.

Here we go...and what do I answer to this?
What was your question?

[Cap]

Here we go...and what do I answer to this?
What was your question?

Milos, How often do you guys do these workouts?  I imagine that they would be hard to do all the time.  I want to start doing them but don't know how to use them properly to grow but not get burnt out.

[Milos_Sarcev]

Come on now Milos, you don't believe someone like Ashley was natural. WHY on earth are you even mentioning him in this context? He was a perfect example of your loud "natural" with drug free columns in the mags etc. He sure had nice bitch tits. And Darrem was claiming natural and meanwhile he was all Syntholed up in his calves.  The reason Darrem claimed natural was that he would have been crucified in his homeland if he admitted to it. He hinted at this in an interview.

You are not an honest man Milos. You know what drugs do inside and out and meanwhile you are trying to sell this ridiculous concept that you can achieve any level of development drug free.Are you saying that they were drug tested several times leading up to the contest? I don't buy it. I don't think the IFBB does out of comp drug tests. Correct me if I'm wrong.

As far as test - Malaysian government requested the testing - not the IFBB...So much for that.

As far as other things: I would not mention people if I would not believe they are drug free...
For Darrem - I was convinced he was...until recently when you could see something even (as you mentioned) on his calves...
Ronnie Coleman was claiming he was drug free - for years...until 1996 in Canada - when I was on the stage with him and Flex - I told Ronnie in front of Flex: tell me you are still drug free and I'll push you off the stage...Ronnie laughed and said: "I ain't telling you that no mo"...Later that day he won the show (Flex got 2nd and I was 3rd)...

Well, Ronnie was incredible as a natural but at the time nobody would believe him that he was...
Mike Ashley is another example.
Would I bet my life on it (that he was 100% natural) - NO...but would you bet yours that he wasn't?

So, yes I believe that 1995 version of Ronnie (he already won IFBB pro show) was possibly drug free...and Darrem Charles for first 5-6 years of his pro career...

Jean Paul Guillaume - is also someone I am proudly mentioning - as I trained with him in the same gym for years - and I saw him refusing even an aspirin...


Now - what do drugs do inside and out?

[Milos_Sarcev]

listen to Milos, he's a smart guy.  It seems you've read some books on the Law of Attraction.  Everyone should read up on it, maybe then they could change their lives around instead of bitching an moaning about other peoples lives.  Anything, ANYTHING is possible, the smart, successfully people all know that.

I was raised by the Law of Attraction since my childhood...and YES I see it in everydays life as it is SO PREDICTABLE...
You bring to you what you think about the most...but many of getbiggers just don't see that...

Maybe ONE DAY they will...I just hope it is not too late.

[Milos_Sarcev]

Milos, How often do you guys do these workouts?  I imagine that they would be hard to do all the time.  I want to start doing them but don't know how to use them properly to grow but not get burnt out.

Now - it is only one way to find out...Isn't it?

[Cap]

Now - it is only one way to find out...Isn't it?

So just see how my body adapts?  Lol.  Milos you are like Yoda....all wise but vague in your words.  I will try because it seems pretty awesome.  Can naturals gain much on this program?  I like the endurance factor.  Where can I get glucose?

[Milos_Sarcev]

Look at my guys from Malaysia...They trained like this for 4 months straight.

Glucose (Dextrose) is easy to find...if you look for it.

[Cap]

Look at my guys from Malaysia...They trained like this for 4 months straight.

Glucose (Dextrose) is easy to find...if you look for it.

Oh so it is dextrose.  I didn't know.  I'm going to try it for sure.  I'll see how it works.  I'll PM you when I barf for the first time. 

[Van_Bilderass]

Well, Ronnie was incredible as a natural but at the time nobody would believe him that he was...
Mike Ashley is another example.
Would I bet my life on it (that he was 100% natural) - NO...but would you bet yours that he wasn't?

So, yes I believe that 1995 version of Ronnie (he already won IFBB pro show) was possibly drug free...and Darrem Charles for first 5-6 years of his pro career...

Now - what do drugs do inside and out?

OK it seems you want to keep the possibility that they were clean open. Fine. You don't seem so certain anymore though LOL.

This is one topic where, if you were a betting man, you'd be smart to bet that they are lying through their teeth.

Ronnie is a specimen for sure but I don't think he had zero experience with hormones when he turned pro.

[Milos_Sarcev]

Oh so it is dextrose.  I didn't know.  I'm going to try it for sure.  I'll see how it works.  I'll PM you when I barf for the first time. 

D-Glucose=Dextrose

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucose

[Milos_Sarcev]

OK it seems you want to keep the possibility that they were clean open. Fine. You don't seem so certain anymore though LOL.

This is one topic where, if you were a betting man, you'd be smart to bet that they are lying through their teeth.

Ronnie is a specimen for sure but I don't think he had zero experience with hormones when he turned pro.

I don't seem so certain anymore LOL?
How about you?

I said I am not ready to bet my life on it...and how about you?
Are you ready to bet yours?

I know very well how far I went drug free...and for years I was being accused of USING DRUGS when I was completely drug free.
Some would just not want to accept that my development was possible drug free...at the time.

I can never be certain EVER and with anyone - except myself off course so you point is worthless - as we both know that you cannot be certain with your claims - either.

[pumpster]

I haven't researched all of Milos' principles in depth, but there is no guru who has the magic bullet.  Naive people will want to believe there is though.  That is why there are books  promising they have the cures for diabetes or the secrets to living to 120 or whatever else - people who are naive will buy these books of course.  People are sometimes irrational, want easy answers, want to forego scientific research, etc, and want to believe there is a magic bullet.

Eat a healthy diet and exercise.  Is this clear to everyone?  CONSISTENCY is the only secret.  I may look like nothing compared to Milos or his team, but I still have random strangers in the gym ask me what special exercises I do to look as I do and so on.  It was when I started getting asked these questions that I became aware of the false assumptions people make, e.g., assuming some special techniques exist when they don't.

Special techniques will not make Luke's physique flow together the way Milos' physique did or make Milos' arms as big as Luke's, which should be proof enough there is no secret which can take you past a genetic limit.

My understanding is that Milos is more perceptive and observant (intelligent) than the average guru.  He will be faster to recognize a person's needs in the gym and make sure they are accomodated.  That is my take on it.

I would not improve beyond 3-5% with Milos by my side 24/7 helping me out.  We cannot forget genetics.  Maybe a top pro is willing to pay for 3-5% improvements, but I am not.  But it is the free market and all the power to Milos for doing well in business. 

PS - hard work does not always equate to productive work.  Ronnie Coleman would probably do better this year if he took it a bit easier.

Fair number of assumptions, including the presumed 3-5% increase when realistically there's no way to know beforehand.

For those like this caught in boxes, the following adage:

"Free the mind and thy ass will follow" - George Clinton. P-Funk

[El Diablo Blanco]

Steroids don't make you grow up to be Mr. Olympia. That is a given or else all of these jackass high school kids would be walking around with 20" inch pumped arms.

I have had many friends who cycled for years and still looked like shit. The bodybuilding lifestyle is not for the faint of heart. 

For one show I litteraly ate a can of tune, white rice and brocolli 6 times a day for 12 weeks.  That was 12 years ago and until this day I can't even look at a can of tuna without wanting to throw up.  I looked jacked as hell but was it worth it?  HELL YES.  I snagged for pootang than ever.

Milos.  I know your workouts are hard, they are tough even though light weight is being used but to be honest with you.  I can put up 450 on the bench for  3 reps but I doubt I could pump out 100 reps of 100 lbs.  I don't have the stamina for that many reps.  The lactic acid will burn too bad.

Please answer me this.  How long should the milos method be used?  I presume you don't always do the giants sets week after week, or do you?  I saw your fit show videos and the people you had working out are all seasoned guys, guys who put in many hours in the gym and ate their fair share of chicken breast and canned tuna, so your workout is for someone looking to dial in for a show, the high reps helps keep the metabolism on fire and burns a boat load of calories.  Looking at all the show winners over the last few years NONE have employed your workout technique.  Victor Martinez wouldn't be caught dead doing a 10 set giant set for legs, Ronnie probably would quit after the 4th set, jay can't spell giant set.  These guys use traditional workout methods to build their physiques.

I live in SoCal and will make a trip to Fulerton and visit your gym and workout with you if you will allow me to. 

[The Squadfather]

Steroids don't make you grow up to be Mr. Olympia. That is a given or else all of these jackass high school kids would be walking around with 20" inch pumped arms.

I have had many friends who cycled for years and still looked like shit. The bodybuilding lifestyle is not for the faint of heart. 

For one show I litteraly ate a can of tune, white rice and brocolli 6 times a day for 12 weeks.  That was 12 years ago and until this day I can't even look at a can of tuna without wanting to throw up.  I looked jacked as hell but was it worth it?  HELL YES.  I snagged for pootang than ever.

Milos.  I know your workouts are hard, they are tough even though light weight is being used but to be honest with you.  I can put up 450 on the bench for  3 reps but I doubt I could pump out 100 reps of 100 lbs.  I don't have the stamina for that many reps.  The lactic acid will burn too bad.

Please answer me this.  How long should the milos method be used?  I presume you don't always do the giants sets week after week, or do you?  I saw your fit show videos and the people you had working out are all seasoned guys, guys who put in many hours in the gym and ate their fair share of chicken breast and canned tuna, so your workout is for someone looking to dial in for a show, the high reps helps keep the metabolism on fire and burns a boat load of calories.  Looking at all the show winners over the last few years NONE have employed your workout technique.  Victor Martinez wouldn't be caught dead doing a 10 set giant set for legs, Ronnie probably would quit after the 4th set, jay can't spell giant set.  These guys use traditional workout methods to build their physiques.

I live in SoCal and will make a trip to Fulerton and visit your gym and workout with you if you will allow me to. 

hahahaha, another internet monster, let's see this 450 bench for 3.

[Milos_Sarcev]

Off course I will...Why didn't you come last Saturday - when we announced big leg training?

Anyway, contact Garraeth - and maybe you want to come with him once and see what he does?
He is getting better every time...and here is perfect example of someone who just started doing giant sets...and he can give you some feedback.

He is NOT on supplements and he trained with crazy giant sets intensity so far...

How long can/should he go?
Everything depends...

Again - I am talking about sprinting a marathon - meaning some will sprint only short distance and some could go much, much further...
With this training IF you GET conditioned and have appropriate nutrition, rest (and possibly supplements) - sky is a limit...

Hide just sent me an E-mail to tell me how surprised he is with his strength - as he is off the supplements and lifting in straight set fashion in Japan at the moment. He said - he has never been stronger in his life...
That is just a 'side effect" from this kind of brutal intensity training system.

Yes, one can use this system in periodization protocols...but intense personalities will hardly go back to any other style of training - after they taste how this feels...And these giant sets PROGRESSIVELY become more intense - as you keep making them harder each workout...

[benjamin pearson]

hahahaha, another internet monster, let's see this 450 bench for 3.

haha this is the same "guy" who couldnt do one pullup at the park for his wife and kid because it was back day the next day..... hahaha this guys life is straight out of an animal pack add

[The Squadfather]

Off course I will...Why didn't you come last Saturday - when we announced big leg training?

Anyway, contact Garraeth - and maybe you want to come with him once and see what he does?
He is getting better every time...and here is perfect example of someone who just started doing giant sets...and he can give you some feedback.

He is NOT on supplements and he trained with crazy giant sets intensity so far...

How long can/should he go?
Everything depends...

Again - I am talking about sprinting a marathon - meaning some will sprint only short distance and some could go much, much further...
With this training IF you GET conditioned and have appropriate nutrition, rest (and possibly supplements) - sky is a limit...

Hide just sent me an E-mail to tell me how surprised he is with his strength - as he is off the supplements and lifting in straight set fashion in Japan at the moment. He said - he has never been stronger in his life...
That is just a 'side effect" from this kind of brutal intensity training system.

Yes, one can use this system in periodization protocols...but intense personalities will hardly go back to any other style of training - after they taste how this feels...And these giant sets PROGRESSIVELY become more intense - as you keep making them harder each workout...

i have to admit that i tried a MODIFIED version of your giant sets for legs yesterday Milos and i couldn't believe the pump and burn in my legs i did, barbell squat/barbell front squat/leg press/hacksquat giant sets 3 times and i could barely move, my quads are very sore today.

[muscularny]

looks intense different then anything i ever remotly saw but for me personally id rather stick to what worked for me when i feel im dont making progress def

[benjamin pearson]

Sure, mon_of_steele, PM me. I can pick you up, carpool or whatever.

gaerreth do you think this type of traiining is better for losing weight or preparing for a contest as opposed to building mass??

[knny187]

Interestingly many proud naturals are first to jump on Skip Lacoure or some other lifetime naturals (like Paul Jean Guillame, Mike Ashley...and even Ronnie Coleman and Darrem Charles for the part of their professional career - when they were claiming to be drug free...)

It's spelled...Paul Jean Guillaume....& he's a little light in the loafers & far from being a natty....

[Milos_Sarcev]

i have to admit that i tried a MODIFIED version of your giant sets for legs yesterday Milos and i couldn't believe the pump and burn in my legs i did, barbell squat/barbell front squat/leg press/hacksquat giant sets 3 times and i could barely move, my quads are very sore today.

Surprised?

Well, I am glad you did it...
Next time try to beat previous workout by adding the exercise, weight, sets...or any other variable...

Among other things you'll see what this kind of workout does for your metabolism...

[Milos_Sarcev]

It's spelled...Paul Jean Guillaume....& he's a little light in the loafers & far from being a natty....

Paul Jean or Jean Paul...Guillaume is just exceptional bodybuilder - and many would never accept that he is drug free - so I used him as an example as well.
There are THOUSANDS of others around the world - but sceptics would just NOT want to believe it anyway...

When "naturals" really put everything together - they will realize how far they can really go...
Pharmaceuticals play only a small part in this whole equation.

[Van_Bilderass]

Paul Jean or Jean Paul...Guillaume is just exceptional bodybuilder - and many would never accept that he is drug free - so I used him as an example as well.
There are THOUSANDS of others around the world - but sceptics would just NOT want to believe it anyway...

When "naturals" really put everything together - they will realize how far they can really go...
Pharmaceuticals play only a small part in this whole equation.

I have a serious idea for you. Why not do your comeback 100% clean and show us how a previous drug user can look drug free? Maybe you could find someone to sponsor you with funds for IOC/WADA type drug testing, a test every couple of weeks leading up to your show. Along with the usual steroid test have them check for exogenous testosterone to assure you aren't on HRT (the isotope test), the new GH test, and monitor all suspicious changes in hormone levels. Even this type of testing isn't foolproof but it would reasonably say you aren't on exogenous hormones at least. Since you are mostly off (according to your previous posts) you could look amazing totally clean right?

[Van_Bilderass]

I don't seem so certain anymore LOL?
How about you?

I said I am not ready to bet my life on it...and how about you?
Are you ready to bet yours?

I know very well how far I went drug free...and for years I was being accused of USING DRUGS when I was completely drug free.
Some would just not want to accept that my development was possible drug free...at the time.

I can never be certain EVER and with anyone - except myself off course so you point is worthless - as we both know that you cannot be certain with your claims - either.

Of course I cannot know anything for certain, but there is a thing called common sense. It doesn't make sense that someone like Ashley could finish second behind Ray and beat a whole field of heavily drugged bodybuilders at the Arnold Classic. I don't care how great his genetics were, the rest of them were very gifted also. It's also extremely unlikely anyone could win the World Championships lifetime drug free in this day and age. It's just common sense. If they did it's certainly not because they train harder with giant sets, not because they are somehow doing something in the gym no bodybuilder in years past dared to do.

BTW, where is g15? I'd like for him to offer his opinion on whether some of these were drug free. I know he said he had sold steroids to LaCour.

[kyomu]

I have a serious idea for you. Why not do your comeback 100% clean and show us how a previous drug user can look drug free? Maybe you could find someone to sponsor you with funds for IOC/WADA type drug testing, a test every couple of weeks leading up to your show. Along with the usual steroid test have them check for exogenous testosterone to assure you aren't on HRT (the isotope test), the new GH test, and monitor all suspicious changes in hormone levels. Even this type of testing isn't foolproof but it would reasonably say you aren't on exogenous hormones at least. Since you are mostly off (according to your previous posts) you could look amazing totally clean right?

Yeah. Seriously right.
If Milos present very good physic naturaly,it will be really standing out news and very high value among fans.
And honestly, i would like him to compete in natural state.
I have confidence that the guy will present better physic than Paul jean.Much better.