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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Drogon on May 23, 2007, 05:56:18 PM
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Anyone here been on for a year or more and decided to go off the gear and take some time off from training? How was your mental state? I read all the time that you feel depressed when u go off the roids but I've also heard that it can feel quite relaxing. More non-chalant about things in general and a greater ability to focus on the more important things in life.
Yeah I've been on for more than a year, no more than 500mg per week, sometimes about 200mg...but am planning to come off soon. Anyone who's done this pls chime in.
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more reason for me to stay natural
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Steroids are for insecure people.
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Brutal gimmick.
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The longer one uses steroids, the bigger the mental problem.
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Brutal gimmick.
spot on, this jerk is insecure about his gains from juice so he is afraid that he will get bashed like sevastase with his 14 inch gunz.
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damn i didnt catch the 2 post..... ill 2nd the gimmick call out
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Anyone here been on for a year or more and decided to go off the gear and take some time off from training? How was your mental state? I read all the time that you feel depressed when u go off the roids but I've also heard that it can feel quite relaxing. More non-chalant about things in general and a greater ability to focus on the more important things in life.
Yeah I've been on for more than a year, no more than 500mg per week, sometimes about 200mg...but am planning to come off soon. Anyone who's done this pls chime in.
You're almost as dumb as RockyIII :D
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more reason for me to stay natural
Same here. I wouldn't wanna deal with the loss of size and strength that would occur with going clean. Remember the "off" pictures of Gunter that someone posted here some time ago? Yeesh.
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I don't care about the loss of muscle. I think I'll look better off the roids anyway. I trained natural for 13 years before I juiced. But yeah, once I did, I abused it. I'm talking about the mental aspect of it. I don't feel good on the roids mentally..
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You'll have to make sure your diet is in order, as it becomes even more important when off. Personally, I don't have a lot of letdown when off because I don't use the harsher, more potent drugs that cause water retention. For that reason I only lose about 7 or 8 lbs and actually feel more athletic.
As far as depression goes, I never really experienced that but I have had libido problems. Nothing that wasn't remedied fairly easily with clomid though.
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The only thing I've ever even considered using is var, and that would be reluctantly. Last time I checked, most people got into lifting to begin with because they enjoyed lifting weights/exercise along with an addiction of some sorts that develops. Most people workout simply because they are VAIN, COMPULSIVE and are trying to fill some kind of VOID that is there in their life (I'm talking about people who have developed their physique to the point where they could compete at a local show and do decently).
I've heard all kinds of claims as to why people workout/compete/etc., but the bottom line is that it's a vain, selfish, compulsive action when performed to the extent which allows someone to compete. It's that simple. Most people don't like to think of themselves as vain/compulsive/selfish, but that's reality. There isn't really any way to sugarcoat it.
Unless your genetics/dietary habits are just HORRIBLE, there is no reason to use gear. You're not going to be the next Ronnie Coleman. Get the absolute most you can out of what you were born with, combined with busting butt in the gym and eating right and LIVE with it. If you want more than that...you are living a lie, IMO.
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why would anyone be ON for a year? :o
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The only thing I've ever even considered using is var, and that would be reluctantly. Last time I checked, most people got into lifting to begin with because they enjoyed lifting weights/exercise along with an addiction of some sorts that develops. Most people workout simply because they are VAIN, COMPULSIVE and are trying to fill some kind of VOID that is there in their life (I'm talking about people who have developed their physique to the point where they could compete at a local show and do decently).
I've heard all kinds of claims as to why people workout/compete/etc., but the bottom line is that it's a vain, selfish, compulsive action when performed to the extent which allows someone to compete. It's that simple. Most people don't like to think of themselves as vain/compulsive/selfish, but that's reality. There isn't really any way to sugarcoat it.
Unless your genetics/dietary habits are just HORRIBLE, there is no reason to use gear. You're not going to be the next Ronnie Coleman. Get the absolute most you can out of what you were born with, combined with busting butt in the gym and eating right and LIVE with it. If you want more than that...you are living a lie, IMO.
I don't think it's always about being vain..but your last paragraph is spot on.
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If a person choses to juice it is their decision as it is their life and knowone hear especially the pipsqueaks/anti-drug squad of the board has the right to pass judgement on them.
PB
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more reason for me to stay natural
so much for you ever being competitive.
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I don't think i could handle coming off and losing a lot of size. I see guys in the gym blow up and shrink down all the time. I'll do hrt when i get older, but for now, if your not gonna compete, whats the point.
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The longer one uses steroids diet, the bigger the mental problem.
Fixed
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I'm more thankfull for natural gains i make now, plus if you juice no one outside the industry will have respect for you even if you worked hard for it.
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more reason for me to stay natural
naturally fat that is, you've been trying to get in shape for years (to look good for your girlfriend)
pathetic fat body
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The longer one uses steroids, the bigger the mental problem.
Yeah because you would know...since your natural and all. Dont speak on things you havent experienced
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chime in number three for brutal gimmick
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If a person choses to juice it is their decision as it is their life and knowone hear especially the pipsqueaks/anti-drug squad of the board has the right to pass judgement on them.
PB
True..
But trying telling that to the anti-roid people here and they'll respond with a pic as though that has something to do with the topic at hand. I don't approve of steroid use, but I don't honestly give someone a hard time because they're using the stuff.
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Steroids are for insecure people.
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The longer one uses steroids, the bigger the mental problem.
so you are big juicer then :o
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so you are big juicer then :o
lol ;D
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True..
But trying telling that to the anti-roid people here and they'll respond with a pic as though that has something to do with the topic at hand. I don't approve of steroid use, but I don't honestly give someone a hard time because they're using the stuff.
They also need to realize that there is a natural board to accomadate people like them here and they should leave the hardcore topics to the hardcores of the forum.
PB
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Don't stop juicing. Training naturally isn't meant for most people, just look around the gym and you'll see that. It's a whole different thing. There aren't any magic pills or needles when things get tough.
Take it from me, a huge juicer for 2 months back in 94'.
Hope this helps.
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Steroids are for insecure people.
the same can be said about anybody that lifts weights
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Before I ever touched juice, I kinda had the mentality of so many naturals on this board. "Easy fix. If I used, I'd be huge. Blah. Blah. Blah."
Well, after using roids, i can say it does make muscle building easier, but a truly good physique is BIG and CUT. Not just big. Not just cut. And fucking idiots like TA and Daddywaddy who think they're all the shit. Yeah, they have cuts, but not mass. For most naturals, it's either being big or ripped. To be both, u need the drugs.
To those who say that roids shouldn't be used because u cannot be Ronnie coleman, that's true. But with juice, hard training, diet and cardio, u can have a physique that is more or less unattainable to the general public. As a natural, u probably will have a nod of admiration from most people, but when on gear, people look at you in amazement. Because u're huge AND ripped.
But the ride is over for me for a few months at least. Been training for more than a year without a break. Cardio EOD at least. Good diet. Need a mental and physical break from it.
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the same can be said about anybody that lifts weights
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To a degree, but I think every man desires to improve himself physically, and in every facet of life. It's also a personal challenge.
Any seconde-rate trainer can take juice and blow up though. If you're willing to put your health at risk to look freakishly huge it's insecurity definately. You probably got a small cock, are unusually short, were picked on as a kid, or a combination of all three.
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hahahah I take it you do? hahahahaha. How does it feel to know most naturals look better than you? hahahaha
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The longer one uses steroids, the bigger the mental problem.
Not necessarily. There is something called the DSM-IV-TR which psychologists and other mental health experts use to measure mental problems. By no means is every lifetime juicer automatically considered mentally disordered. It certainly applies to some, but it would be a fallacy to suggest it applies to all.
More information: http://www.dsmivtr.org
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hahahah I take it you do? hahahahaha. How does it feel to know most naturals look better than you? hahahaha
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If that's him in his picture it's a true statement. :-*
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If that's him in his picture it's a true statement. :-*
most naturals?
ummm...ok ::)
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most naturals?
ummm...ok ::)
Yes, most serious naturals look better hahaha.
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The longer one uses steroids, the bigger the mental problem.
Wow, can't believe I actually agree with this clown.
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Yes, most serious naturals look better hahaha.
...ha ha ha huh he hih hmmmmm... ::)
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I do know a real natural bodybuilder can not win any contest nowadays !
(even in a local contest here Taiwan)
But I still insist be a lifetime natural !
Because I still can training and maintain a pretty good shape over 35 years as 54 now.
Where are those juiced bodybuilders who had ever competed with me before ?
Winning a contest not everything .
I'm not against anyone who use drugs in this board ,just tell you guys the fact as I have seen.
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I do know a real natural bodybuilder can not win any contest nowadays !
(even in a local contest here Taiwan)
But I still insist be a lifetime natural !
Because I still can training and maintain a pretty good shape over 35 years as 54 now.
Where are those juiced bodybuilders who had ever competed with me before ?
Winning a contest not everything .
I'm not against anyone who use drugs in this board ,just tell you guys the fact as I have seen.
54 years young! well done musclecenter!! :)
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I'm more thankfull for natural gains i make now, plus if you juice no one outside the industry will have respect for you even if you worked hard for it.
Mars is very correct.
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I do know a real natural bodybuilder can not win any contest nowadays !
(even in a local contest here Taiwan)
But I still insist be a lifetime natural !
Because I still can training and maintain a pretty good shape over 35 years as 54 now.
Where are those juiced bodybuilders who had ever competed with me before ?
Winning a contest not everything .
I'm not against anyone who use drugs in this board ,just tell you guys the fact as I have seen.
They can't "win" but they can look better than second-rate juicers like "Ricosuave."
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more details:http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.0
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I do know a real natural bodybuilder can not win any contest nowadays !
(even in a local contest here Taiwan)
But I still insist be a lifetime natural !
Because I still can training and maintain a pretty good shape over 35 years as 54 now.
Where are those juiced bodybuilders who had ever competed with me before ?
Winning a contest not everything .
I'm not against anyone who use drugs in this board ,just tell you guys the fact as I have seen.
those juiced bodybuilders have finally grown up and realised muscle is temporary, and the effort put in getting so big for so little money is better spent getting an education or doing business
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Most juicers are very lazy people in general.
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Most juicers are very lazy people in general.
damn, your opinions are so 'well formulated'.
let's have a look at a couple of your 'well formulated' opinions:
1. most natural bbers look better than rico suave
2. most juicers are very lazy people in general
absolute gems.
tell me, where do you do your research for 'well formulated opinions' like these? ::)
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damn, your opinions are so 'well formulated'.
let's have a look at a couple of your 'well formulated' opinions:
1. most natural bbers look better than rico suave
2. most juicers are very lazy people in general
absolute gems.
tell me, where do you do your research for 'well formulated opinions' like these? ::)
hahahaha "ricosuave" oh brother. The name just screams loser.
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hahahaha "ricosuave" oh brother. The name just screams loser.
'realkarateblackbelt' doesn't scream wannabe loser to you?
sorry, should have checked his user name, ricosauve. whatever that means.
i'm not dissing your opinion rkbb and maybe rico does look crap for a juicer. i'm not an expert on the subject so i can't give an opinion on that, but to say that most naturals look better/same is just plain stupid.
so that means you're either disingenuous or stupid. which one is it?
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'realkarateblackbelt' doesn't scream wannabe loser to you?
sorry, should have checked his user name, ricosauve. whatever that means.
i'm not dissing your opinion rkbb and maybe rico does look crap for a juicer. i'm not an expert on the subject so i can't give an opinion on that, but to say that most naturals look better/same is just plain stupid.
so that means you're either disingenuous or stupid. which one is it?
I don't think you're in the position to be judging anyone's intelligence "beast."
"Ricosuave" (LMAO!) is good motivator NOT to juice.
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"Some opinions are better formulated than others!"
lol
maybe you should follow the advice of your own poster text and stfu now. ;)
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"Some opinions are better formulated than others!"
lol
maybe you should follow the advice of your own poster text and stfu now. ;)
I can tell my opinions rang true by your hyperemotional responses. Do you have an emotional investment in "ricosuave?" Is this your boyfriend? I'm serious.
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As one of those who is probably very lazy coming off the gear never led to any problems. And my reasons for using gear - quite simply I 'enjoyed using it' - felt great, got strong really fast, helped me heal with injuries. I have never competed either - not really my thing.
I did fairly short and very moderate cycles (in my opinion very moderate) over the years. I should say that i trained naturally for at least 6 years before taking anything - even supplements. Bodyweight before I began training - 190 - after 5 years of natural training approx 260, biggest ever with gear just over 300. Nowadays - after almost 3 years completely off training and 5 yrs plus since I last took gear I'm sitting at about 255. Now I'm just getting back into bodybuilding again in my mid thirties - enjoying the challenge - it is hard for us old farts. Noticing the old cardio endurance is really struggling due to giving up fairly manual work and now I'm a weekday desk jockey. I will probably never touch gear again as right now after about 8 weeks back in the gym (very hit and miss right now but getting better) I'm getting really great pumps and growing fairly quickly. Have a few nagging old scars that are flaring up but my weights are so lame right now things should all come together in time.
But back to the topic...I gave up gear and training at about the same time because I went on an extended 2 year travel binge all over the world and then when I came back, settled in a new country, got married etc etc your life changes. Other things took the stage for me. Will I ever take gear again - possibly if I think it would make my life better for it. Again i would stress it would be very moderate use and yes...I made pretty spectacular gains off taking very small amounts from day 1 and very incremetally upping things as I saw fit. Worked for me and made my cycles very inexpensive and uncomplicated. Can't understand these young dudes today who use clomid and all these other chemicals along with the extreme dosages - silly in my opinion. But to each their own I guess.
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I would say you are an exception to the rule if you trained hard for 6 years as a natural. I'm talking about the young guys with shit for brains that start juicing after 1 year of half-ass training, only to look like a bloated sack of shit.
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Is this dude on the juice? Probably had some with his meal.
absolutely
all juice
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From what I've seen through friends the last thing you should be worried about is losing size...
I've met several people in college, at the gym and on the internet that have had SEVERE depression issues from going clean...things that would upset you normally will seem like the end of the world...
best of luck
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Actually, I think that extended juicing has made me more anxious. Test makes me anxious and think very deeply about things. I hate having girl problems when on test. I find it hard to blow things off. Eq, the first roid i did, does cause a certain type of anxiety. I don't quite like dbol. Deca is ok for me. Winny makes me look really good but I feel unhealthy on it. I don't use high doses. But still I can differenciate the effects from each other.
So I am at the end of my taper, ending with winny tabs. Feel ok, actually looking forward to time off. I got clomid on hand, but I'm not sure if I should use it just yet. I'll wait it out a bit.
Also regarding the depression issue, I think it's how u look at the situation. I'm looking forward to feeling good and relaxed and not having a bloated, thick skinned face again.
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Actually, I think that extended juicing has made me more anxious. Test makes me anxious and think very deeply about things. I hate having girl problems when on test. I find it hard to blow things off. Eq, the first roid i did, does cause a certain type of anxiety. I don't quite like dbol. Deca is ok for me. Winny makes me look really good but I feel unhealthy on it. I don't use high doses. But still I can differenciate the effects from each other.
So I am at the end of my taper, ending with winny tabs. Feel ok, actually looking forward to time off. I got clomid on hand, but I'm not sure if I should use it just yet. I'll wait it out a bit.
Also regarding the depression issue, I think it's how u look at the situation. I'm looking forward to feeling good and relaxed and not having a bloated, thick skinned face again.
HCG..........
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to be honest if youve been on the juice without coming off for over a year, you definitely have distorted hormones and levels that are going to be way out of whack when you come off. If you want some real advice you can pm me, I can tell you that not one person can claim what problems you will experience, due to the fact that one persons experience and body is totally different from yours. A guy juicing for only 3 months could have horrible effects, and a guy on for 8 months not near as many problems, or vice versa. All I can say is that you have made a mistake in taking gear for that long of time without a break. I can also say that in order to get your body back to its natural state it could take up to a year for your body to feel like it should naturally. Pm me if you would like information and what to really expect.