what do you mean theres no need
people enjoy eating
got a problem with that skinny?
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A NATURAL MASS MONSTER. If you want to be a freak get on steroids, but if you're going to stay natural and you want to look like a BBer your only hope is to cultivate an aesthetic physique with dramatic taper.
THIS MEANS ENDING YOUR BULKING AND REDUCING YOUR CALORIES BELOW MAINTENANCE LEVELS UNTIL YOU SHED YOUR HUGE STORES OF INTRA ABDOMINAL FAT.
YOU DONT NEED SUPPLEMENTS TO DO THIS, YOU JUST NEED TO STOP EATING SO DAMN MUCH.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A NATURAL MASS MONSTER. If you want to be a freak get on steroids, but if you're going to stay natural and you want to look like a BBer your only hope is to cultivate an aesthetic physique with dramatic taper.
THIS MEANS ENDING YOUR BULKING AND REDUCING YOUR CALORIES BELOW MAINTENANCE LEVELS UNTIL YOU SHED YOUR HUGE STORES OF INTRA ABDOMINAL FAT.
YOU DONT NEED SUPPLEMENTS TO DO THIS, YOU JUST NEED TO STOP EATING SO DAMN MUCH.
Screw You! >:(
Screw You! >:(For shame ~flower~ ! >:(
I have no doubt you weigh 160 lbs juiced to the gills.....brutal aggravation over piss poor genetics.
please post pics if you think that you're an exception to the rule I stated in the original post. I'm always happy to revise my theories to incorporate new evidence. Otherwise your post is a non-sequitor.
:)
the 60 MPH couch potatoe. A great proof that the perma-bulkers incessant cardio is wasted effort.
the 60 MPH couch potatoe. A great proof that the perma-bulkers incessant cardio is wasted effort.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A NATURAL MASS MONSTER. If you want to be a freak get on steroids, but if you're going to stay natural and you want to look like a BBer your only hope is to cultivate an aesthetic physique with dramatic taper.you must have shitty genetics, like adonis or something. natural bbers can get quite big. dieted down naturals almost always look skinny though.
THIS MEANS ENDING YOUR BULKING AND REDUCING YOUR CALORIES BELOW MAINTENANCE LEVELS UNTIL YOU SHED YOUR HUGE STORES OF INTRA ABDOMINAL FAT.
YOU DONT NEED SUPPLEMENTS TO DO THIS, YOU JUST NEED TO STOP EATING SO DAMN MUCH.
Don't worry shiftedShapes, eventually you'll graduate to the mid-range dbs with the other pussies.
I don't use dumbells, I focus on BW strength.
natural bbers can get quite big. dieted down naturals almost always look skinny though.
you're an idiot.
they look 'big' when they're not dieted down because they're fat.
you're an idiot.no not really,unless someone is really fat. dieting is very catabolic to natural bbers.
they look 'big' when they're not dieted down because they're fat.
AHHAHAHAAHAHAHAH!!!!! As I suspected, can't lift a gallon of milk overhead with 2 hands and a spot.
no not really,unless someone is really fat. dieting is very catabolic to natural bbers.
Lemme guess: 22, done nothin in life, live in the gym and weigh 165 lbs soaking weight on competition day.
The only people ever concerned about anyone else's physiques are embittered natural "competitors".....gimme a fuggin break.
Before I stopped lifting weights I was able to DL 405 (at a BW of 145lbs), do pull ups with 115lbs of added weight, and dip with 135 lbs of added weight.
Now I am stronger.
you don't have the balls to post pictures first of all.
and secondly, i don't compete.
:)
Forget the effort sarcastic, reasoning with embittered natural bbs is like trying to reason with a screaming 4 yr old that can't get their way.
For shame ~flower~ ! >:(
Didn't you know that shiftedShapes is the utmost authority on building mass?!?! Listen to his words of wisdom as though they were teardrops of God lighting on your face...bask in his glory.
**angels singing hallelujahs in the background**
You lemme know when I'm supposed to be impressed.
I'm amenable to reason or empiracle evidence, however I won't be swayed by insults in the format of "HAHAAHAHAHA "shiftedhsapes" is probably a ____________ HAHAHAAHAH, gay as _____________"
what would be the ideal weight for someone 6'-6'1''?
and what bodyfat % would be ideal for that weight?
natural of course
my goal in lifting weights is not to impress keyboard warriors, I'm just trying to improve my strength to BW ratio and I've accomplished that in spades.
Obviously your aware of the scope of this board and if empiricism motivates you then you would've recognized that threads of this nature are gonna leave you dead in the water.
Then why create the thread to begin with?
No, but I do realize that controversy is the only way to generate attention for an idea on this board. What I'm trying to convey to you is that I myself do not operate on the same principles as most others on the board. So by all means if you want to regale me with your creative insults please do (I think your funny a lot of the time, and I enjoy a lot of your posts) just know that they will not derail me.
I used to be a perma bulker who believed alot of my fat was infact muscle. Now I have been shown the light by legendary naturals such as The True Adonis, The Leafy Bug, Bast, and Daddywaddy.
testify my brother.The first step is to admit to yourself you have a problem. You have to realize that you are delusional and that most of your size is really fat. You are likely just using "bulking" as an excuse to eat excessive calories and be a fatass. You will never look like a pro without juicing; infact, you will probably never weigh over 180 ripped unless you are really tall.
I used to be a perma bulker who believed alot of my fat was infact muscle. Now I have been shown the light by legendary naturals such as The True Adonis, The Leafy Bug, Bast, and Daddywaddy.
Just remember who created this thread. I've seen enough of these threads in the past.....the creators of these topics are typically derailed before ever posting; hence the motivation for the thread.
Yes.
Love the pics!! Will you be entering him into any of the Getbig Dog of the Month contests? July is around the corner!!
Unlike the Mr. Getbig, we run a fair contest on the Pet Board ;)
;D
The first step is to admit to yourself you have a problem. You have to realize that you are delusional and that most of your size is really fat. You are likely just using "bulking" as an excuse to eat excessive calories and be a fatass. You will never look like a pro without juicing; infact, you will probably never weigh over 180 ripped unless you are really tall.
Once you admit this to yourself, you can begin the journey!
you going the way of medford?? say it ain't so!
be quiet and pass me the donuts!! >:(
to some extent I fixate on this board instead of food, postwhoring is part of my motivation. So yes, eating less isn't all peaches and cream, LOL.Salted and Peppered Tomatoes.
Salted and Peppered Tomatoes.Do you ever cook the tomatoes in the oven or do you just eat them raw?
A little low calorie trick. :)
I used to be a perma bulker who believed alot of my fat was infact muscle. Now I have been shown the light by legendary naturals such as The True Adonis, The Leafy Bug, Bast, and Daddywaddy.
my goal in lifting weights is not to impress keyboard warriors, I'm just trying to improve my strength to BW ratio and I've accomplished that in spades.
Salted and Peppered Tomatoes.
A little low calorie trick. :)
this is an odd post for some reason....sounds fishy coming from a guy who basically gave up on the "adonis principles" and all.......strange.I still follow the basic ideas of guys like TA and Daddywaddy. I have just modified it and don't use an exact formula.
Do you ever cook the tomatoes in the oven or do you just eat them raw?Ahh I do both.
translation: "i am a complete failure in bodybuilding and i'll take whatever crumbs i can get."
that's fine but just because you and the rest of the losers think that no one can be muscular and weigh more than 200lbs unless they are on steroids, that doesn't mean it is true.
i come from a boxing and mma background (i know, instant self owning) so i'm not very good at bbing history, but there was a world hw boxing champion in the 1890s named jim jeffries. now, considering that this guy did a ton of cardio, very little specific bbing, zero steroids (testosterone wasn't isolated until 1937) and fought 40 round bouts, this guy was a cut up (yes, he had abs, veins, definition, the lot) 220lbs at around 6'0 (please feel free to look him up). he was probably less than that because he was definitely significantly shorter than jack johnson when they fought and johnson was 6'1".
this business of the anorexic crew around here thinking that bbing is about weighing a fairly lean 150lbs almost brings tears to my eyes it's so funny...hahahahahihihmmm mm...not really. ::). it's actually quite disturbing and a little tragic. :-\
this is an odd post for some reason....sounds fishy coming from a guy who basically gave up on the "adonis principles" and all.......strange.Not really... he just dieted down and realized what we said is true. Notice most of the people arguing with us have never even tried or or have never dieted down before in their lifes.
translation: "i am a complete failure in bodybuilding and i'll take whatever crumbs i can get."
that's fine but just because you and the rest of the losers think that no one can be muscular and weigh more than 200lbs unless they are on steroids, that doesn't mean it is true.
i come from a boxing and mma background (i know, instant self owning) so i'm not very good at bbing history, but there was a world hw boxing champion in the 1890s named jim jeffries. now, considering that this guy did a ton of cardio, very little specific bbing, zero steroids (testosterone wasn't isolated until 1937) and fought 40 round bouts, this guy was a cut up (yes, he had abs, veins, definition, the lot) 220lbs at around 6'0 (please feel free to look him up). he was probably less than that because he was definitely significantly shorter than jack johnson when they fought and johnson was 6'1".
this business of the anorexic crew around here thinking that bbing is about weighing a fairly lean 150lbs almost brings tears to my eyes it's so funny...hahahahahihihmmm mm...not really. ::). it's actually quite disturbing and a little tragic. :-\
so to prove that 200lbs lean is a reasonable goal for a natural you cite ONE PERSON from the 19th century, and you don't even provide pics. Brilliant rebuttal.
so to prove that 200lbs lean is a reasonable goal for a natural you cite ONE PERSON from the 19th century, and you don't even provide pics. Brilliant rebuttal.aww common shifted.... give him a chance. Atleast give him from the 12th century till present.
Yes.
Where do I sign up?
Yah this Jim Jeffries sure was a beast. ::)
He would be well under 200 lbs if he dieted down.
(http://www.tko-boxing.com/files/images/jeffries.jpg)
probably under 165lbs
OH YES,
Watch the Massive ::) Jim Jeffries train for a fight.&mode=related&search=
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A NATURAL MASS MONSTER. If you want to be a freak get on steroids, but if you're going to stay natural and you want to look like a BBer your only hope is to cultivate an aesthetic physique with dramatic taper.
THIS MEANS ENDING YOUR BULKING AND REDUCING YOUR CALORIES BELOW MAINTENANCE LEVELS UNTIL YOU SHED YOUR HUGE STORES OF INTRA ABDOMINAL FAT.
YOU DONT NEED SUPPLEMENTS TO DO THIS, YOU JUST NEED TO STOP EATING SO DAMN MUCH.
This thread crowded with embittered naturals is classic and pathetic. Naturals even hate others naturals that aren't "super lean" and live exactly like they do. Fellas, get over yourselves.....you live within your heads yet preach to the world. Lemme give you some sound advice: You can't change a grown adult so don't bother trying. You can show an adult charts/graphs, volumes of scientific journals in support of this or that and unless that adult takes it upon him/herself to engage in some personal trial and error not a damn thing will change. A devout empiricist like shiftedShapes should know this already.
Then again, some folks don't mind.....here it comes...............BODY FAT! (All the naturals with 8% bf scream like teenage girls at a Justin Timberlake concert)
What if we want to be as strong as possible?
This thread crowded with embittered naturals is classic and pathetic. Naturals even hate others naturals that aren't "super lean" and live exactly like they do. Fellas, get over yourselves.....you live within your heads yet preach to the world. Lemme give you some sound advice: You can't change a grown adult so don't bother trying. You can show an adult charts/graphs, volumes of scientific journals in support of this or that and unless that adult takes it upon him/herself to engage in some personal trial and error not a damn thing will change. A devout empiricist like shiftedShapes should know this already.This is true to an extent. The older the worse it is. I make a movement for mass genocide of all perma bulkers, evangelical christians, and republicans.
Then again, some folks don't mind.....here it comes...............BODY FAT! (All the naturals with 8% bf scream like teenage girls at a Justin Timberlake concert)
how do you define strength?
nah, my point was that he's the only physique that i can come up with that well and truly debunks your theory that anyone bigger than 200lbs lean can't be natural.
the point is that he was in his prime in the 1890s so you can't use the steroid excuse.
particular emphasis should be made to the fact that this man did NO bbing training whatsoever and, in fact, was a cardio machine but, nevertheless he was 220lbs lean at 6' (if that).
obviously someone like steve reeves would be a better example, but he WAS a bber and his prime (1940s) after steroids were isolated and used.
This is true to an extent. The older the worse it is. I make a movement for mass genocide of all perma bulkers, evangelical christians, and republicans.
Republicans are right about some things though, like their fiscal policy. Just like democrats are right about their policies on abortion. Like most everything in life, including the very topic discussed in this thread, the truth lies somewhere in between the extreme viewpoints.Matt C = the Great Compromiser.... he is indeed color blind.
Republicans are right about some things though, like their fiscal policy. Just like democrats are right about their policies on abortion. Like most everything in life, including the very topic discussed in this thread, the truth lies somewhere in between the extreme viewpoints.Fiscal Policy and Republicans being correct? Give me a break. You know nothing of our politics in the US.
probably under 165lbs
Matt C = the Great Compromiser.... he is indeed color blind.He is just a moderate sheep with no convictions and cannot grasp facts. People like him are the silent majority who let things turn to shit, nodding their empty little heads in unison because they have nothing at all to contribute or add to a discussion.
Yes I know, it's really hard to get anyone to change, but I enjoy arguing for its own sake so my posting isn't wasted effort even if no one is convinced.
even in that pic, which wasn't during his prime, he is a lean 220+. if he wanted to, do you really think with specific bbing training he would not be over 200lbs ripped, which btw, not one of you wannabes has showed me, even at 150lbs which is very tragic indeed.Find me a natural bodybuilder under 6 feet and ripped at 200 lbs or over. You can`t. It has NEVER happened.
Find me a natural bodybuilder under 6 feet and ripped at 200 lbs or over. You can`t. It has NEVER happened.
In a powerlifting sense.
JRod owns you.He looks great for a 170 lber at 6`1.
Find me a natural bodybuilder under 6 feet and ripped at 200 lbs or over. You can`t. It has NEVER happened.
Even if you're right, what does it matter? Still, the only guarantee in life is that there are no guarentees and there are alway exceptions to the rule; regardless, I could care less. You're qualifications for aesthetic perfection are completely skewed and you know it....case closed.Find me an exception to the rule.
He looks great for a 170 lber at 6`1.
Find me a natural bodybuilder under 6 feet and ripped at 200 lbs or over. You can`t. It has NEVER happened.
He looks great for a 170 lber at 6`1.
Find me an exception to the rule.
Find me a human with Wings and the ability to fly. I bet you can`t.
delicious.
I also like pickled tomatoes, cucumbers, onions, etc.. Often 0 cals, I eat these on the weekend.
Durring the week I sit in front of a computer for most of the day doing very little, so unless I am really stressed I fast durring the day.
he's not 6'1"Yah I predict he will be about 177 or 178. Sounds good!
He is 5'9" and competes at 176lbs with striated triceps.
What's even more amazing is he is only 23. Can you imagine how much progress he will make by the time he is 35-40 (the time a natural peaks) ? :o
Jim Jeffries was 6`2-6`3 numbnuts and not lean at 200 lbs.
I bet you are a real hit with your friends and the ladies. You sit at home eating tomotoes all weekend, and do fuck all all week !! :-\
I actually agree with the original poster of this thread.
As a natural, its probably not likely that you will be a BEAST. You will be big, can be huge, but a FREAKY BEAST naturally will most likely not happen.
Sure I do know some natural freaks that I meet every now and then, but thats like 1 in a million. Either way, I think one should keep pushing and fighting and taking his genetics to the limits, the human body is capable of so much more than what we believe so who knows maybe you are that 1 in a million, one will never know unless you really bust your ass and stay consistent!
jim jeffries nowhere near 6'2"/6'3". watch the johnson fight. are you saying johnson was 6'6"? he was closer to 6'1-2 and, btw, he was 210-215Hope this helps!
about the only boxer (of any notoriety) at the time who was over 6'2" was jess willard and he was considered a giant at 6'4". btw, willard weighed 260lbs.
joe louis weighed 210 lean with abs 1930s. jack dempsey 185 but very cut 1918 - 1920s. hell, marciano was pretty cut at 5'9" 183lbs, but he was 1950s so he was probably using steroids right?
most of these guys absolutely avoided weight training because they and their trainers believed that weight training made you muscle bound and slow, so they are not even good examples.
i can't be fucked looking (not interested), but i'm sure there's plenty of strong men, gymnasts, weightlifters, whatever that are better examples.
my point is there is plenty of evidence to PROVE that your theories are bullshit. they promote body destruction in the natural athlete, not bodybuilding.
jim jeffries had a tremendous physique , naturally without weight training-he was huge and cut.
I've seen both natty and juicers a couple months out from shows and personally I think they both look better carrying more bf than they do "ripped to the bone". Their musculature is clearly evident even if they couldn't sub for the anatomy chart in an A&P class. It's this self-righteous "nattytude" that gets old. Sure, some of their approaches to weight loss and diet have some merit (common sense really), but they'll always be inherently flawed as they can't universally replicate these results in everyone. Still, their "theories" existed well before them. If I ate 12 cheeseburgers everyday for a couple months and then suddenly reduced those cheeseburgers to 8 a day I begin to lose weight.....this most likely applies to a lot of people, but not everyone....the body ain't a universal system.....sorry.
I used to be a perma bulker who believed alot of my fat was infact muscle. Now I have been shown the light by legendary naturals such as The True Adonis, The Leafy Bug, Bast, and Daddywaddy.
Hope this helps!
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Jim_Jeffries
By the way, Jack Dempsey was my Grandfather`s best friend.
boxrec is not accurate.
boxing is a huge psychological sport and hw boxers will inflate their height measurements about as much as bbers will their arms.
do you really think tyson was a bee's dick under 6' (5'11.5")?
what about old man holyfield. did you know that he grew 2 inches when he went from cruiser weight to hw, and he was approaching his 30s ??? :o matt, maybe you should take up boxing and become a hw mate. could be the answer to your shortman syndromeissues with height.
look up boxrec and tell me how tall jack johnson was...now watch the jeffries johnson fight on youtube...tell me again that jeffries was 6'3"? ::)
boxrec is only a guide, it is not fact.
just take a look at jim's physique (the one you posted will be fine) at 220lbs.
now imagine these indisputable FACTS:
no bbing training
no bbing diet
no bbing supplements
no bbing drugs
all cardio (you know, that stuff that you say is catabolic)
Fiscal Policy and Republicans being correct? Give me a break. You know nothing of our politics in the US.
I'm saying a conservative economic policy is superior to a more socialist system. Spending billions of dollars on a failing war in Iraq does not qualify as economic conservatism. Economics is definitely my strong point, even more than the majors I took in school.
yeah and he has the musculature of an average joe, what's your point?
I'm saying a conservative economic policy is superior to a more socialist system. Spending billions of dollars on a failing war in Iraq does not qualify as economic conservatism. Economics is definitely my strong point, even more than the majors I took in school.
Hope this helps!::) ::) ::) ::)
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Jim_Jeffries
By the way, Jack Dempsey was my Grandfather`s best friend.
Before I stopped lifting weights I was able to DL 405 (at a BW of 145lbs), do pull ups with 115lbs of added weight, and dip with 135 lbs of added weight.hahahahaha, no offense Shifted but i'm calling bullshit.
Now I am stronger.
hahahahaha, no offense Shifted but i'm calling bullshit.Nahhh i believe him. I used to train with a guy when i was just starting out who was 145 who could bench 365 at 145.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A NATURAL MASS MONSTER. If you want to be a freak get on steroids, but if you're going to stay natural and you want to look like a BBer your only hope is to cultivate an aesthetic physique with dramatic taper.100% correct.
THIS MEANS ENDING YOUR BULKING AND REDUCING YOUR CALORIES BELOW MAINTENANCE LEVELS UNTIL YOU SHED YOUR HUGE STORES OF INTRA ABDOMINAL FAT.
YOU DONT NEED SUPPLEMENTS TO DO THIS, YOU JUST NEED TO STOP EATING SO DAMN MUCH.
hahahahaha, no offense Shifted but i'm calling bullshit.
well I'm flattered that you doubt my claims. Almost as good as somebody accusing me of juicing.hahahaha, of course the infamous "back injury". ;D
I won't be proving any of these lifts as I stopped lifting that way because I had a back injury (which turned out to be just a lat / erector strain, but seemed like it might have been a disk injury) and a biceps strain for the very heavy chins. So I have moved away from heavy ballistic lifting. Now I do a lot of BW training that I had been too weak to do at the time.
I'm most proud of my iron cross raises for reps on the rings (I can do them horizontal in a tuck planche position, or vertical).
For legs I don't like to load the spine too heavilly so I do strictly unilateral movements. I can do one leg deads or one leg stiff deads with 100lbs of extra weight (non working leg is held stationary in the air), and pistols ass to the grass for reps.
hahahaha, of course the infamous "back injury". ;D
I'd say boasting about your strong points is your strong point
I guess having four degrees and a multitude of other achievements puts me in that position. :P My track record speaks for itself. Unlike you and TA who have 0 post secondary education and expect people to credit you as if you are experts. Get an education, then you can dare to have the audacity to expect some credence on the board and in life in general. Until then, quit proclaiming to speak on topics you know nothing about.
Listen I'm only 15, by the time I'm your age I'm sure I'll have a few degrees as well. I don't follow how you have 4 degrees though, I thought you didn't even get your masters yet?
I don't see the relevance of degrees here though, since neither you nor I are medical doctors or have PhD's in physiology. It seems like you are just trying to avoid substantive debate with distracting appeals to authority.
Just because an appeal to authority is a fallacy in some cases doesn't mean it is here. When I say that Einstein made certain claims about physics, would that constitute an appeal to authority? In that case, it is not a fallacy. My degrees are in math, psychology, geography, and environmental management, because I made sure all my electives counted towards other degree programs during my undergrad.
so you had a quadruple major undergrad?
so you had a quadruple major undergrad?
As I pointed out the appeal to authority was distracting and irrelevant, it was not fallacious because you did not use the appeal to authority to support any point. You were a math major and you don't understand logic?
Nahhh i believe him. I used to train with a guy when i was just starting out who was 145 who could bench 365 at 145.
Of course you did........May have been 315... i know it was 315 or greater though. Still a good lift for someone who is 145.
100% correct.
i laugh at all the (natty) noob kids trying to eat the Flex diets thinking it will make them huge bodybuilders LOL
Deadlifting 405lb @ 145lb at the age of 15 is very good ShiftedShapes ::)
It's a shame about that back injury, you probably could come close to challenging the record of 475 at the age/bodyweight
How long have you been working out?
Yes.
Did you need the phone number of my university's alumni office to verify that?
Anyway, the TA principles didn't work for me, so I moved on to what has always worked for me. What's wrong with doing that?
Bunch of ab-shooters, hatin on the Big Dog's again.......dumbass skeleton's..MeLtDoWn
Bunch of ab-shooters, hatin on the Big Dog's again.......dumbass skeleton's..
dude, you are so fat.
I love how you only post pictures from the rear.....please, post a front picture, we all need a good laugh. I have a strong feeling it will look very similar to Adonis' picture at 240 LOL
Your screen name sounds like Proburrito.
Post a picture from the front or shut up.
You sound gay asking like that.
Anything you can do to detract the attention from you and your lard ass physique....
Before I stopped lifting weights I was able to DL 405 (at a BW of 145lbs), do pull ups with 115lbs of added weight, and dip with 135 lbs of added weight.
Now I am stronger.
straight out of the "adonis principles" handbook.
multiply the weight and reps of your best ever lifts by 10 and then claim that, although you are not strong enough to even do that anymore, you are actually stronger now. ::)
anything is possible in adonis land eg. never been to college, no problem, just claim you did and you've got majors in whatever subject you wish to 'own' people in.
6 pages of uselessness? wow skinny guys are jealous of big, muscular guys ::)
what's new? they should buy that atlas book in the back of comics so guys like me don't kick sand in their skinny faces.
oh wait, I still would ;D
Hahahaha Ive even trained my dog to rooster tail sand in their tiny tit faces......he digs and digs......they lie there crying like lil gay shmoes, with their ribs sticking out. ;D
Of course.
Dogs always bury bones. He's just doing what comes natural.
Hahahaha Ive even trained my dog to rooster tail sand in their tiny tit faces......he digs and digs......they lie there crying like lil gay shmoes, with their ribs sticking out. ;D
Of course.LMFAO ;D
Dogs always bury bones. He's just doing what comes natural.
I used to be a perma bulker who believed alot of my fat was infact muscle. Now I have been shown the light by legendary naturals such as The True Adonis, The Leafy Bug, Bast, and Daddywaddy.
you left me out :(
Are you sure you want to be lumped in with that crew?
Are you sure you want to be lumped in with that crew?yeah, no shit :-\
so how many ding dongs did you guys scarf down while posting this nonsense.
ss are you tA's brother....I heard that somewhere...serious question.
Well really what is natural anymore?
If you want to get really hardcore about being natural take off all your clothes and run out in the wilderness. There, in a completely natural enviroment, secure your food, water, shelter but do not forget to workout with logs and big rocks etc.
Let's face it, we are dependant upon one another in the form the socities we live in. They provide an UNATURAL supply of food, water, and clothing. We all live in lands of excess compared to a truly natural man living off the land. Also, taking creatine in huge amounts is not natural.
Start your cycles and be done with it. :P
true post...People are always using nature as a way to define normal or even superior. We have all left nature many years ago. None of you are naturals or behave naturally.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A NATURAL MASS MONSTER. If you want to be a freak get on steroids, but if you're going to stay natural and you want to look like a BBer your only hope is to cultivate an aesthetic physique with dramatic taper.
THIS MEANS ENDING YOUR BULKING AND REDUCING YOUR CALORIES BELOW MAINTENANCE LEVELS UNTIL YOU SHED YOUR HUGE STORES OF INTRA ABDOMINAL FAT.
YOU DONT NEED SUPPLEMENTS TO DO THIS, YOU JUST NEED TO STOP EATING SO DAMN MUCH.
I agree with you, Shifted.
It's hard to believe you're only 15, by the way. You're a sharp cookie.
so how many ding dongs did you guys scarf down while posting this nonsense.
the point of being natural is not to claim some sort of moral superiority over juicers. We stay natural because it is healthier. I'd be the first one in line for muscle or strength enhancement that didn't shorten my potential lifespan or have unhealthy sides.
Maybe Myostatin inhibition will be that drug, we will have to wait and see.
gee, i hope you don't eat too much saturated fat/sodium/msg/sugar, drink alcohol, smoke cigarrettes/cannabis, stay up late, take too many pain killers, breath air, use chemicals, drink water, eat processed foods, eat mcdonalds ::), drive in traffic, eat barbecued/fired meat...
because ALL of those things have actually been proven to 'shorten lifespan' whereas steroid use hasn't.
i'm not advocating steroid use, but i'm always weary of preachers.
gee, i hope you don't eat too much saturated fat/sodium/msg/sugar, drink alcohol, smoke cigarrettes/cannabis, stay up late, take too many pain killers, breath air, use chemicals, drink water, eat processed foods, eat mcdonalds ::), drive in traffic, eat barbecued/fired meat...
because ALL of those things have actually been proven to 'shorten lifespan' whereas steroid use hasn't.
i'm not advocating steroid use, but i'm always weary of preachers.
C,mon beast. Just because a guy does 2-3 things wrong doesnt mean he should add to the list. For instance i will eat some fruit today and maybe a little ice cream. it doesnt mean i should exclude the fruit cuz my day is shot from the ice cream.
Better to do something right, than nothing right......
good point. Risk should be measured on a continuum, not as a binary.
Thanks. But theres no way youre 15yrs old.........your style is 240 like.
Time runs slow in my orbit.
true.
both have good points but, as i said, just wary of when people preach.
shiftedShapes, you do seem sensible with your approach. are you really only 15?
when i was 15 i was...well i won't go there.
you are right about calorie restriction being a proven method to prolong life span and you are right about natural bbers NEVER going to look like a shredded olympia ready bber. completely different animals and perma bulking is NOT going to achieve this aim. food has/will never have the same effect as hormones. how can it? (honestly, when you think about it :-\)
that hasn't stopped savvycon artistsbusiness men from continually to preying upon the deluded masses. they work hand in hand with fraudulent publications like flex magazine who merely promote the myth, whilst under the pretense of promoting 'good health and vitality'. hahaha, probably one of the greatest heists ever and has made the weider empire billions. old joe knows and always did know exactly what 'supplements' actually provide benefit and it has absolutely nothing to do with the victory line.
protein and food supplements are about as important to getting the magazine look as cheese cake.
my point is, that being said, it would be a mistake to resign yourself to thinking that you can only be x amount of size with y body fat %. as soon as you accept that you have resigned yourself to your fate. there are plenty of natural animals throughout history that have become very very muscular, nig, cut and strong without drugs. as i stated, i have only ever been interested in fighting history so i site jeffries and other fighters, but bear in mind these are guys that NEVER did any specific bodybuilding and, i'm sorry, but if you think these great athletes are all 165lbs or less cut up then no wonder your fatter at 135 than jeffries was at 225 and YOU have the advantage because YOU are doing exclusively bbing exercise.
if you think the best you can be is 155lbs or whatever then the very best you will ever actually be is 150lbs and you won't even be shredded btw. you've heard the saying, "i think, therefore i am." ;)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=151246.0;attach=168452;image)(http://food.oregonstate.edu/images/fat/lard1.jpg)
Whoever is in that pic isn't fat. They're not contest ready bb lean, but they certainly aren't reality fat either. As compared to rest of the world that person is in great shape. In the context of the cult of bb he's a "mess". Which opinion is correct? Sorry folks, goin with the majority on this one.
Whoever is in that pic isn't fat. They're not contest ready bb lean, but they certainly aren't reality fat either. As compared to rest of the world that person is in great shape. In the context of the cult of bb he's a "mess". Which opinion is correct? Sorry folks, goin with the majority on this one.
Thats some fat bitch named Warhorse, my Brother. ;D That pics a year old, anyway....Im much prettiar now.. 252lbs 5'10" now 227lbs... no drugs.
HE WOULD LOOK A HELL OF A LOT BETTER IF HE LOST 30-50 LBS (depending on his height)
all he would have to do is top the ridiculous force feedings, and eat a sensible diet.
his lats would look bigger because his waist would be narrower, and they would also appear to insert lower because the muscle would be visible at the insertion point instead of being burried in blubber. Sam goes for the biceps and basically every other muscle group.
well don't feel bad about that,
You can beat obeisity with WILL POWER.
AHAHAAHAH!!! 30-50 lbs.....you're outta your embittered natty bb'ing mind. That man looks just fine with those bf levels....looks very healthy.....there's not question he works out......woman love his look. If he chooses to go lighter so be it. With embittered natties, once you crush their "he looks like crap" arguement then they shoot for the "he could look SOOOOO much better". Says who? An embittered natty....the most biased, unrelenting of physique opinions? If he lost 50lbs he'd look like nothin.....I don't give a shit if his size is combo of muscle and fat........natties can't accept that some people don't care about being less than 10% bf.
I agree with everything that you said up to the part about Jefferies. Very insightful.
After that I think you are overestimating the value of visualization. NAturals hit a plateau. It is a nice place to be though. Right now I'm shredded at 150lbs and I give the illusion of being way more muscular than Jefferies, who to me just looks like a Barrell.
To me it's not how big you are, but how big you LOOK.
AHAHAAHAH!!! 30-50 lbs.....you're outta your embittered natty bb'ing mind. That man looks just fine with those bf levels....looks very healthy.....there's not question he works out......woman love his look. If he chooses to go lighter so be it. With embittered natties, once you crush their "he looks like crap" arguement then they shoot for the "he could look SOOOOO much better". Says who? An embittered natty....the most biased, unrelenting of physique opinions? If he lost 50lbs he'd look like nothin.....I don't give a shit if his size is combo of muscle and fat........natties can't accept that some people don't care about being less than 10% bf.
what's the quote about easy tiger? Well whatever it is apply it here, you seem to be in a frenzy.
Warhorse himself just said that he lost 25lbs already so he obviously agrees with me.
As far as how he looks now, yeah no one would say he's fat, and he does look big. However, if he was lean he would be a lot healthier, and would actually look a lot more muscular. Seems like the right choice is obvious to both me and war horse. What is your investment in keeping him bulked, do you need reassurance that you are making the right choice by being pudgy?
Thanks MOS. Im going down to 210lbs to sub 10% fat level. In that pick i was at 18%. feel good now at 12-13%. In a tank top, i cause some staring and pointing.....my wife laughs. 8)
The women seem to like a little bulkier running back look....its less offensive, more approachable. In all its better to be a little heaviar than be a skeleton with abs and hating bigger guys..... 8)
well, maybe that's where we differ because i'm not about just appearing like. i am big, muscular and strong and i wouldn't have it any other way.
nothing would be more depressing for me than to kill my funtionality and power in the name of an illusion. gives me shivers just thinking about it.
have/can you provide pics of your shredded 150lb self to illustrate your point and in relation to jeffries?
leaner is most definitely more functional if we are talking about bw to strenght ratio which is ultimately the primary determinant of agility and speed.
Also I have gotten stronger as I lost weight so I don't think it is necessarily the case that you will lose power (although some people, who probably slack on their training, do report getting weaker).
I don't have any current pics, but I did post some from a few months ago when I was fattier and less muscular. Look through my posts and you will find them.
And here's the thing.....I agree with everything you posted here.
leaner is most definitely more functional if we are talking about bw to strenght ratio which is ultimately the primary determinant of agility and speed.
Also I have gotten stronger as I lost weight so I don't think it is necessarily the case that you will lose power (although some people, who probably slack on their training, do report getting weaker).
I don't have any current pics, but I did post some from a few months ago when I was fattier and less muscular. Look through my posts and you will find them.
leaner, yes, but not shredded or trying to create illusions.
i don't have any interest in being a powerlfifter (exclusively interested in lifting the most amount of weight possible at the expense of condition) but i'm not interested in walking around looking like a shredded contest ready bber either (again, at the expense of condition and strength).
there is a point where you are lossing too much muscle mass whilst attempting to maintain shredded condition.
btw, i need to see more pics, but i don't see shredded in that pic. no offence, you appear to be in excellent shape, just not shredded. it's pretty hard to tell though with the visual, etc.
you don't have to post pics, but you're making some pretty bold statements there ie that you're in 'shredded' condition.
no I'm not shredded by any means in that pic. I have lost a good bit of fat since then, and have seen no drop in energy or strength. So I figure, as an athlete, the less deadweight I carry the better.
I will take some more pics soon, and I hope that they show the progress that I imagine that I have made.
well, it depends on what type of athlete you are and what event you plan on competing in.
I'm using the word athlete in the general sense of athleticism, not 350lb athlete that plays left guard. I get your point though.
thankyou
if you were competing in a 100 metre sprint, maybe. a marathon, you would probably keel over and die from over heating and exhaustion.
there are many variables with different sports and that's what i'm getting at with functionality. being in shredded contest condition would be stupid in just every sport not involving...well, competing in a bbing contest. :-\
I think contest BBers are at a highly functional level of BF the problem is that they take it further and drop water. That is the unhealthy function compromising part.
Also you are right I am interested in explosive movement. I'm not really into long distance endurance. I can see how a slightly higher BF level would be good for that.
shredded probably does apply to water levels, true, but if you were a true shredded natural that matter is solved within hours.
i think maybe you're talking about 'ripped' condition which is a great way to be if you can manage it and maintain it. trying to get your body fat lower and lower while your weight keeps shooting south sounds like a recipe for anorexia nervosa imo.
preserve fat and burn up useless stuff for energy like that extra muscle you don't need for a typical day of hunting and gathering.
This is where you are wrong. The fat is what's useless, it's function is exactly to serve as an energy reserve in times of famine, and that is when it gets burned. the muscle is what you absolutely need to succeed as a hunter and your body will preserve it to ensure that you can get food when the opportunity presents itself. This should make intuitive sense to you, and if you're looking for empiracle data there is plenty out there. More accessable proof can be found in the program Survivor. Watch it and you will see that everyone loses fat without any apparent loss of muscle, even though they are on close to starvation diets.
yeah I thought we came to an agreement which is why I was suprised when you got so agro.
btw here's the pic from earlier this winter.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=126707.0;attach=141882;image)
not a good example.
the ones that have large trained muscle mass lose muscle also. it may not look like it though because their definition will obviously improve.
the thing is, how do you know who's losing what? visual appearance is deceiving and the same applies to you, how do you know how much actual muscle you've retained?
if you're talking about retaining/building muscle while calorie restricted how do you assess the net loss vs gain?
really it's tough to know exactly short of a biopsy.
I go by the mirror, scale, and my strength.
When I lost the weight, my muscles appeared to be as big or bigger, my strenght went up, and my weight went down...So I deduced that I was losing fat and water but not muscle.
how do you know your strength went up? were you lifting heavier weights in the same form?
CRON is bullshit... it's not possible to get a good enough insulin response and maintain high enough levels of insulin for enough time to maintain maximum anabolism. You will grow better and be stronger if you over eat a bit... That is why bulking works and why it will always work.
It would be a bald assertion if Sevastase had said it, but I'm not a bald witch...
It's also neither a bold assertion. If you were to read a bit more, then maybe you would understand the science.
BTW, I have a masters degree in food science, as an undergrad my major was Biochemistry. What do you have?
I have enough education to know the difference between a bald assertion and a "bold assertion"
you don't have the balls to post pictures first of all.
and secondly, i don't compete.
Then stick to what you know and STFU on things you do not.
That's exactly what I'm doing, why don't you take your own advice?
you're probably in the same boat as TA, getting paid to stir shit up around here. There is no point arguing with you. If you think you can stimulate maximum muscle gain naturally by eating like a bird then you're a retard... no wonder you injured your back deadlifting. Maybe if you ate a little more you would have had the muscle to pull that weight without issue.
I was DLing 2-4 times per week for max singles almost each time, stupid over-training, nothing to do with diet.
Who would pay me to tell you to eat less? MONSTER DEDUCTIVE REASONING
Well, I've heard some stories... you're probably not getting paid but you've jumped onto this controversy bandwagon TA has stirred up nonetheless.
How do you know it's nothing to do with diet. I am willing to bet if you ate like a pig you'd have been ok.
You CAN NOT stimulate maximum anabolism on a maintenance diet.
What's your current weight Bast?
-Hedge
You CAN NOT stimulate maximum anabolism on a maintenance diet.
Yup. Truth.
But Shifted, perhaps your goals are not to stimulate maximum anabolism? You just want max power:weight ratio, and explosive functional strength ? Is that correct?
yep this held for singles and higher rep ranges.
Well, I've heard some stories... you're probably not getting paid but you've jumped onto this controversy bandwagon TA has stirred up nonetheless.shiftedShapes is TA's brother...that's why.
How do you know it's nothing to do with diet. I am willing to bet if you ate like a pig you'd have been ok.
You CAN NOT stimulate maximum anabolism on a maintenance diet.
that sounds very good.
if you're controlling heavier weights for more reps in the same form that is a very good sign that you have gained muscle, but there are many other variables to take inot account too ie
motivation (were you more motivated to train intensely when you actually started seeing your muscles)
desire
hormonal levels including gh and growth factor (seeing as you are 15 this is a very relevant and pertinent variable)
history of training (see above) + how long
environment (gym, training partners, etc)
mental (stress factors, focus, puberty, girls)
there are more but you get the point.
i'm not dismissing what you're saying altogether. in fact i applaud you for thinking outside the box and, if there is one consistant attribute to a successful athlete it's that they truly believe what they are doing will give them success. this is far more important than whatever principles you happen to be following.
my point is, have you enclosed yourself in another box? would you get better results with some more calories, etc?
unfortunately a bber (especially recreational) doesn't have a trainer/ coach to guide/motivate him so the rec bber is left to analyse what he's doing and make adjustments. this is usually where they come undone. some delude themselves and some follow whatever programme comes along that looks better, which of course implies that were never absolutely convinced on what they were doing (see aformentioned point about successful athlete).
focus and belief are essential, but first comes analysis and, unfortunately, without a hands on trainer, you are left to do that.
when that's done, train like a man possessed and you'll get closer to your goals.
I did start training more frequently and with greater volume, so that is definitely a confounding variable
also my puberty is intense LOL.
how old are you?
15.5 now
??? ??? ???I am willing to bet my younger brother has a better power to weight ratio than just about anyone in this thread.
I am willing to bet my younger brother has a better power to weight ratio than just about anyone in this thread.
I just crapped and wiped my ass clean with this thread.you coulda wiped it clean with TA's brother -- paper thin comfy!
you coulda wiped it clean with TA's brother -- paper thin comfy!
maybe you can write me a synthol administration regimen that I can use to "bulk up"You don't have muscle to be using synthol in. But once your arms hit 12 or so inches, you can start with 1/8th a ml in each bicep. Keep that up until they hit 13" then up the amount to 1/4th. It'll hurt, but it'll help you keep your new massive size while on your Ethiopian diet -- well, at least in the spots where you inject, everywhere else will remain twig-like.
You don't have muscle to be using synthol in. But once your arms hit 12 or so inches, you can start with 1/8th a ml in each bicep. Keep that up until they hit 13" then up the amount to 1/4th. It'll hurt, but it'll help you keep your new massive size while on your Ethiopian diet -- well, at least in the spots where you inject, everywhere else will remain twig-like.
I know this is hyperbole but I can't tell how dillusional you actually are. Do you realize that I have more muscle than you do even though I weigh 50lbs less?You're probably right.
I know this is hyperbole but I can't tell how dillusional you actually are. Do you realize that I have more muscle than you do even though I weigh 50lbs less?
You're probably right.
How much do you weight? 155lbs? I forgot.
nah I bulked to a massive 155 or so this winter but now I'm probably back down to 150 or less, haven't been on a scale in a while.And how tall?
And how tall?5'9"
Do people call you "Big Guy" when they see you? As in: "Hows it going, Big Guy?"
no but it was really hot the other day and I was walking around without a shirt. I got 5 or 6 compliments from a cross section of people. When I was "bigger" I didn't attract nearly as much attention.Did your mom know you were walking around without a shirt? She might get mad and take away your computer privileges.
Try to remember that bulk is not admired by most non-BBers.
Did your mom know you were walking around without a shirt? She might get mad and take away your computer privileges.ohhh brother hahahah. I can see the jealousy and hate engrained in every letter of this post.
Yea, I completely agree with you. Most non-BBers don't admire crazy bulk. You missed your turn at Mens Fitness.
Or are you on a holy crusade to "save" us all from ourselves?
ohhh brother hahahah. I can see the jealousy and hate engrained in every letter of this post.
ohhh brother hahahah. I can see the jealousy and hate engrained in every letter of this post.FUCKEN-A IM MELTING DOWN HERE LET ME HAVE MY ANGER!!!!!!!#&(@$%@(%&$@#(%&#$@
what does 'engrained' mean?Head-On: Apply directly to the forehead.
what does 'engrained' mean?http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/engrained
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/engrainedlol:
lol:en·grain (ěn-grān') Pronunciation Key
"to dye with cochineal or kermes"
Buttsuck, serious question: what is "cochineal" or "kermes"? I'm too lazy to look them up and you're smart, so I thought you'd know.
hmm...you must be going to a different dictionary.com. Cuz this is what I get...maybe I clicked the link you posted wrong or something? I'm not too hot with computers or antyhing msmarstsmart like thatso rt of thin g...in·grained (ĭn-grānd')
in·grained (ĭn-grānd')lol, one more...
adj.
Firmly established; deep-seated: ingrained prejudice; the ingrained habits of a lifetime.
Worked deeply into the texture or fiber: a carpet disfigured by ingrained dirt.
You know there was an article in MD a few months ago establishing a connection between being dumb and fat.
lol, one more...en·grain (ĕn-grān')
thanks for defining "ingraned" for us buttsuck...I have another word that even I, with my tiny brain, can define:
1. Owned
v. owned, 0wned, pwned, 0wn3d, pwn3d, own3d.
v. tr.
To be made a fool of; To make a fool of; To confound or prove wrong; embarrasing someone: Being embarrased.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=owned
lol ;D
en·grain (ĕn-grān')haha, that's not what it said, stop repeating that. hahaaa....
tr.v., -grained, -grain·ing, -grains.
To ingrain.
haha, that's not what it said, stop repeating that. hahaaa....Im posting from multiple dictionary sources. It has the same meaning. You must be so desperate to own me that you have to jump at mispellings// gramatical errors. Seems kind of pathetic if you ask me. Fat sloppy obese meltdown!!
...everyone else: look at the url HE posted, and the screenshot of that page that I posted.
hahahahaahhaaaahha!!