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Listened to the radio show. Went to his site to check it out, and its not even on his website???
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it's on http://www.koloseum.com
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::) ::)
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Any of you lot seen his promotional video in the Koloseum site yet?Bloody awesome! Looks like a promo for an epic movie!
http://koloseum.com/video.html ;D ;D ;D
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(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g84/MR-BIG/KNS.jpg)
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$200 for 15 days worth of sups is insane.
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Listened to the radio show. Went to his site to check it out, and its not even on his website???
by the way busted, saw you're a proud member of team mower, any news on the guy?
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$200 for 15 days worth of sups is insane.
Yes, and 200$ for some sugar and amino acids you could get for less than 1/3 is ridiculous.
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amino acids alone is pretty cheap and will last a long time
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$200 for 15 days worth of sups is insane.
You can make your own drink for probably 1/4th of the price or less by buying the ingredients separately. Buy the carbs, creatine and aminos from trueprotein for example.
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WTF Milo's you trying to make it rich quick with these prices.
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This is true to form... he thinks 1 hour of his time as a personal trainer is worth $500. ::) Hell, most ivy-league lawyers don't even get $500/hr, let alone some meathead trainer. To put it in perspective, based on a 40-hour week that would be over $1M a year. So, it's not surprising that he's pimping some powders that should go for $20-$25 for $70.
The sad thing is his knowledge and theories are sound. And while I can't begrudge anyone for wanting to make money, being blatantly over-the-top greedy about it is not a way to enhance one's reputation.
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This is true to form... he thinks 1 hour of his time as a personal trainer is worth $500. ::) Hell, most ivy-league lawyers don't even get $500/hr, let alone some meathead trainer. To put it in perspective, based on a 40-hour week that would be over $1M a year. So, it's not surprising that he's pimping some powders that should go for $20-$25 for $70.
The sad thing is his knowledge and theories are sound. And while I can't begrudge anyone for wanting to make money, being blatantly over-the-top greedy about it is not a way to enhance one's reputation.
Why do you care how much he thinks he's worth per hour? It's the DEMAND that makes him worth whatever people are willing to shell out...apparently, he's done very well for himself and has no shortage of clients.
It's called business, not being greedy...
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This is true to form... he thinks 1 hour of his time as a personal trainer is worth $500. ::) Hell, most ivy-league lawyers don't even get $500/hr, let alone some meathead trainer. To put it in perspective, based on a 40-hour week that would be over $1M a year. So, it's not surprising that he's pimping some powders that should go for $20-$25 for $70.
The sad thing is his knowledge and theories are sound. And while I can't begrudge anyone for wanting to make money, being blatantly over-the-top greedy about it is not a way to enhance one's reputation.
Seriously dood I thought you had more sense than this. So you hate the attorney who charges $1000/hour. The computer consultant in Nelly Gale who charges $1500/hour. And the makeup artist who charges $3500/hour? And me for charging what I charge...
heh...guess you're charging $12.50/hour for your services...you get what you pay for.
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Seriously dood I thought you had more sense than this. So you hate the attorney who charges $1000/hour. The computer consultant in Nelly Gale who charges $1500/hour. And the makeup artist who charges $3500/hour? And me for charging what I charge...
heh...guess you're charging $12.50/hour for your services...you get what you pay for.
goatboy doesn't make anywhere near that much for giving blowjobs.
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Haha like "goatboy" counts something for these services.
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Seriously dood I thought you had more sense than this. So you hate the attorney who charges $1000/hour. The computer consultant in Nelly Gale who charges $1500/hour. And the makeup artist who charges $3500/hour? And me for charging what I charge...
heh...guess you're charging $12.50/hour for your services...you get what you pay for.
how much you paying milos? you been with him for months now havent you
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...you get what you pay for.
Sometimes that's true.
Other times you just overpay... it's called "getting ripped off". Milos may be good, but is he really ten times better than a trainer charging $50/hour or five times better than one charging $100/hr? I doubt it. And are his amino acids really four times better than the amino acids sold by the very same company he's sourcing from under their AminoVital brand? ::)
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pay peanuts ,,and u get monkeys
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Sometimes that's true.
Other times you just overpay... it's called "getting ripped off". Milos may be good, but is he really ten times better than a trainer charging $50/hour or five times better than one charging $100/hr? I doubt it.
Exactly!!
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I give props to Milos for apparently taking the time and money to hire some real pros - all the artwork and marketing look really good
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I give props to Milos for apparently taking the time and money to hire some real pros - all the artwork and marketing look really good
Agreed, it does.
So... that's what the $70 pays for, huh? ;D
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Milos can charge whatever he charges i dont care. But i am against him saying that his products are superior and making crazy claims when they are the ones that any bbs could make on his own
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by the way busted, saw you're a proud member of team mower, any news on the guy?
Fuck if I know. Guess hes eating "sammiches" in some random place jerking it to Jodi Leigh's Pics.
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But i am against him saying that his products are superior and making crazy claims
In fairness, everyone pimping supps does that... it's one of the hallmarks of the industry.
As educated consumers, people just need to be aware of that and see through it.
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im waiting for gh15 to come out with his supplement line
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im waiting for gh15 to come out with his supplement line
I know.... gh15 can sell whey protein. BUT, he needs to claim it's "special" whey protein and charge five times the going rate! ;D
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In fairness, everyone pimping supps does that... it's one of the hallmarks of the industry.
As educated consumers, people just need to be aware of that and see through it.
That is true just look at muscletech
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Does Milos give out free samples of his shake? Does he give out more shakes to his special clients? How does it taste? Will it make me puke like all the other warriors that train there? It will be an honor to say that I puked in milos gym like all the pros. Thank you Milos
SGT. D
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Does Milos give out free samples of his shake? Does he give out more shakes to his special clients? How does it taste? Will it make me puke like all the other warriors that train there? It will be an honor to say that I puked in milos gym like all the pros. Thank you Milos
SGT. D
Haha, so THAT's the reason they all puke!! Milos' Shake!
What's the point of a shake during workout when your trainer makes you puke it out? Monster wasting micronutritients.
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Does Milos give out free samples of his shake? Does he give out more shakes to his special clients? How does it taste? Will it make me puke like all the other warriors that train there? It will be an honor to say that I puked in milos gym like all the pros. Thank you Milos
SGT. D
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No, they all puke because he punches them in the stomach several times after each set.
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Supply and demand. If people would pay me $1,000 an hour for personal training, I would charge it.
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No, they all puke because he punches them in the stomach several times after each set.
Thats horrible :o
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I got Milos's drinks at his seminar in May....Amino Preload HA tastes like a tangy fruit punch with the consistency of Gatorade. Amino XXPload AC tastes like orange citrus, also the consistency of Gatorade. They are as easy to drink during a workout, just like flavored water...product mixes very well!
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Milos's powder is on point if you can get it for cheaper then simply put its not the same after you all use it I know you will pay the price
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Milos's powder is on point if you can get it for cheaper then simply put its not the same after you all use it I know you will pay the price
Hi Milos! After all te bashing it was time for a gimmick. ;)
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Hi Milos! After all te bashing it was time for a gimmick. ;)
Actually his gimmick is TheTrueAdonis.
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I don't get it - is it suppose to be a new concept this pre-during-post work out shake? This has been around for years now
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Hey does anyone remember the thread where milos listed his formulation for the pre and post workout drinks?Been looking for it but cant seem to find it.
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Milos's powder is on point if you can get it for cheaper then simply put its not the same after you all use it I know you will pay the price
dude, $79.99 + $10.00 s/h for 15 servings..c'mon
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Milos's powder is on point if you can get it for cheaper then simply put its not the same after you all use it I know you will pay the price
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I would listen to this guy. He knows what he is talking about. Hey what up cam, this is the other cam
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Milos's powder is on point if you can get it for cheaper then simply put its not the same after you all use it I know you will pay the price
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I would listen to this guy. He knows what he is talking about. Hey what up cam, this is the other cam
epic quoting mistake.
How's the girls, Cammy??
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dude, $79.99 + $10.00 s/h for 15 servings..c'mon
shit !! didn't see that "15 servings" wow.. it would cost us around 450$ USD for 1 month !
450$ ..
... 450$
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Maybe Milos think we are rich?
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shit !! didn't see that "15 servings" wow.. it would cost us around 450$ USD for 1 month !
450$ ..
... 450$
What kind of bizzarro math land are you living in? Or do you work out 85 times each month?
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What kind of bizzarro math land are you living in? Or do you work out 85 times each month?
ok 2 months.. ::)
sorry for the big mistake sir Garraeth
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ok 2 months.. ::)
sorry for the big mistake sir Garraeth
Yeah, nice "mistake"...and you workout 42.5 times each month? heh...you training for the Olympia?
Most advanced people train approx 20 times/month (5 days/week). So $450 would get you 4.25 months.
Most beginners or intermediates workout 12 times/month (3 days/week). So $450 would get you 7 months.
oh damm, expensive!! ::)
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epic quoting mistake.
How's the girls, Cammy??
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NIce to see you too Donkey. Any good contracts.?
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210$ + tx (for 3 products)
+ shipping cost
X 2
= around 450$
30 servings, 1 per day.. right ?
I'm training 5 days a week
5 days x 3 weeks = 15 servings . right ?
3+3=6
1 month and half, am I wrong ?
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epic quoting mistake.
How's the girls, Cammy??
NIce to see you too Donkey. Any good contracts.?
LOL @ quoting style.
All is great.
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fantastic ;D
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what's wrong Garraeth ???
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what's wrong Garraeth ???
He has Milos' dick up his ass...
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that's what I thought :-\ :'(
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milos is great and all
but 80 bucks for 15 servings is borderline retarded
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You got to ask Milos, but he is not saying something
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Garraeth I work out every day of the month twice each day. I need something that is going to last
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what's wrong Garraeth ???
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Nothings wrong -- I have a life outside GetBig.
And I'm sorry. I obviously misunderstood. I thought you were talking about during-workout only.
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Garraeth I work out every day of the month twice each day. I need something that is going to last
Ask your buddy Sean. I'm sure he and his DEA friends can hook you up with something that'll "last".
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Ask your buddy Sean. I'm sure he and his DEA friends can hook you up with something that'll "last".
shawn a snitch? say it aint so!
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Nothings wrong -- I have a life outside GetBig.
And I'm sorry. I obviously misunderstood. I thought you were talking about during-workout only.
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well ok, the fact is : 450$ for 1 month and half, do you think It's a great deal Garraeth?
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Wtf 450$ a month? For that price I can afford 750mg of test a week and be well on my way to the olympia in just 16 weeks ::)
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Wtf 450$ a month? For that price I can afford 750mg of test a week and be well on my way to the olympia in just 16 weeks ::)
Haha exactly, 450 goes way to far for supps, only worth it if the results are incredible but after using pretty much of supps i know better.
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Haha exactly, 450 goes way to far for supps, only worth it if the results are incredible but after using pretty much of supps i know better.
haha, i'd rather invest that into some good food instead of a stinking sugar-amino acid powder.
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MMmm But Amino acid is generally expensive thing.
But I want some explanation for the difference between those standard pure essential amino acid and the essential amino acid of Ajinomoto.
I think thats the reason why his powder is so expensive.
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MMmm But Amino acid is generally expensive thing.
But I want some explanation for the difference between those standard pure essential amino acid and the essential amino acid of Ajinomoto.
I think thats the reason why his powder is so expensive.
try their webpage.
there's the one of aminovital, the one of the amino acid product they have.
i didn't find anything special
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try their webpage.
there's the one of aminovital, the one of the amino acid product they have.
i didn't find anything special
Yeah i went there one time.
But they dont show those pure each amino unit which Milos is purchasing.
Maybe you have to write letter or something.
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WTF, what happened to the Milos drink bashing thread?, that was fun...Dont tell me it was taken down.
Some of us think the drink is a gimmick, why not allow us to express that?. It is what a free market economy is all about. Milos should welcome it.
EDIT (never mind its on page two, at the bottom)
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WTF, what happened to the Milos drink bashing thread?, that was fun...Dont tell me it was taken down.
Some of us think the drink is a gimmick, why not allow us to express that?. It is what a free market economy is all about. Milos should welcome it.
What do you mean "gimmick"?
It doesnt work or it doesnt have the ingredients which Milos refers?
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What do you mean "gimmick"?
It doesnt work or it doesnt have the ingredients which Milos refers?
I mean I think.....
Milos is bamboozaling all of us.
It is an old ruse used by the diet industry.
1. Take an old idea and claim it is new.
2. Use already existing ingredients but call them something different, something trendy.
3. Get some psuedo science lab behind it to provide very questionable unreliable "evidence".
4. Enlist payed off professionals to say it works, and then
5. price gauge the public.
That is what he is doing.
Shame on you Milos.
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I mean I think.....
Milos is bamboozaling all of us.
It is an old ruse used by the diet industry.
1. Take an old idea and claim it is new.
2. Use already existing ingredients but call them something different, something trendy.
3. Get some psuedo science lab behind it to provide very questionable unreliable "evidence".
4. Enlist payed off professionals to say it works, and then
5. price gauge the public.
That is what he is doing.
Shame on you Milos.
Dont take me wrong. He is the greatest enemy for me in here.
But, i think his "Its quite anabolic during you are tarining and pumping your muscle with his drink" is quite new to me.
And also"You can get lean and big both at the same time." is also new to me.
What do you say?
But,only thing that i suspect alot is why amino powder should be from Ajinomoto. So another companys amino are that bad??
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Dont take me wrong. He is the greatest enemy for me in here.
But, i think his "Its quite anabolic during you are tarining and pumping your muscle with his drink" is quite new to me.
And also"You can get lean and big both at the same time." is also new to me.
What do you say?
But,only thing that i suspect alot is why amino powder should be from Ajinomoto. So another companys amino are that bad??
I agree. I just suspect that on his trips to japan, milos has made a visit to ajinomoto and got a good deal.
Let us write them an email. you japanese is better than mine though... ;D ;D ;D
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I agree. I just suspect that on his trips to japan, milos has made a visit to ajinomoto and got a good deal.
Let us write them an email. you japanese is better than mine though... ;D ;D ;D
OK.Whenever you want,I will translates it to japanese composition.
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OK.Whenever you want,I will translates it to japanese composition.
Let's just write something along the lines that we heard they are selling free form amino acids. we want prices and compositions, quality certificates and so on.
Make it look like you want to buy a lot, they'll answer for sure.
;D ;D
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Unless there is something in those products that is not listed on the Nutritional Information label, I can see no justification for the cost. However, if someone can prove to me otherwise (Milos), I'm all ears.
Very true.
This is what it all boils down to.
It's a supplement, and hence the ingredients have to be listed. Just examine what's in it. No matter how you slice it, how much you claim the "precise" formula is used, it's a food product.
If it would give superior results to food, it would be classified as a drug.
Claims that precise formulas will create some extreme results are bullshit, it's snake oiling it, and frankly I'm fcuking disappointed to see such hogwash from Milos Sarcev, I just don't understand why he is making such ridiculous claims. I've seen some of his posts about his "drink", and IMO it's embarrassing to read.
-Hedge
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I just don't understand why he is making such ridiculous claims. I've seen some of his posts about his "drink", and IMO it's embarrassing to read.
-Hedge
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But, i think his "Its quite anabolic during you are tarining and pumping your muscle with his drink" is quite new to me.
It is not a new idea, nor is it his idea. Many bodybuilders, pro and street have been advocating this idea for a while now for free and offering their recipes for free.
It is not rocket science.
I just feel bad for the young kids who dont know better and will get seduced into buying an overpriced questionable product.
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This is why $.....
Problem with bullshit claims: They have a tendency to keep fcukin with you :-\:
Quote from: 240 or bust on June 15, 2005, 07:35:43 PM
Hi Cheap Stomach,
I'm glad you asked. I get asked all the time about my squatting numbers and I'm always happy to help a young fan.
One fateful summer, I got that free rack, a Sports Authority set, and started. I squatted 2 times a week for one heavy set of 20 reps. Now and then I'd add deads or benching, but most of the time, it was just squats. I pigged out at the same time- I had just quit teaching and had nothing to do but lift, eat, and play PS2.
By the end of the summer I had gained 30 pounds (most was muscle- i finally filled out) and I was regularly doing 300 pounds to parallel for 20-rep squats, just like the internet article I had read had described. (We've all read that one- and it works!) It was at this time I joined a gym and started to break weights over 300.
315... 335... 355... the weights went up as my reps begain to dip below 20. I always had a spotter or two, and usually finished without assistance. Soon I was using 405, with 2 spotters, every other weekend on Sunday, with knee wraps. I got up to 8 or so very sickening reps that first time, and nearly sharted. Rough day. But I continued on. It got easier as I hit the early 420 and 430s.
Hurricane Charley came shortly thereafter and destroyed my beloved SOS Gym in Pt Charlotte, FL. So, I joined a new gym in the fall. By this time, I was working a ton and attending FT classes. I started doing cardio- for the first time in 2 years- and couldn't run 1/8 mile without stopping. Shinsplints followed. But after a while, the cardio came easier for me.
Today I usually squat without a spotter and typically don't go over 315 for 10 slow safe reps. I don't use wraps, and I don't weigh 220 anymore. I'm at 191 today. My knees ache most days from the cardio, so I am careful about risking heavy leg work while dieting.
Cheap Stomach, I thank you for your letter. Best wishes in all your endeavors. Also, I feel my placing at the Ironman this year was due to the fact that I am too involved in politics and that I defended my wife's Olympia placing. Peace.
-240 or Bust.
DaddyWaddy. The bodybuilding/weightlifting gods blessed me yesterday and I did 112 reps total with 225 on the deadlift. Breathing like a locomotive for sure.
Not to steer this thread totally off topic, but how did you possibly pull off doing 112 reps with 225 lbs in the deadlift?
YIP
Zack
Hard Work. Deadlift has always come easily for me.
Next time I do it I will videotape it. The trick is, NEVER put the bar down...If you have to stand there and catch your breath for a few seconds, do so with the bar in hand.
-Hedge
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It is not a new idea, nor is it his idea. Many bodybuilders, pro and street have been advocating this idea for a while now for free and offering their recipes for free.
It is not rocket science.
I just feel bad for the young kids who dont know better and will get seduced into buying an overpriced questionable product.
Hopefully Sarcev will be exposed for the con artist (in this case) he is. 8)
-Hedge
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I'm a Milos fan, and i think he's a credit to a tarnished and sleazy sport - but the price of his 'miracle mixture' is so ridiculous it will certainly fail. Even rich people arn't going to shell out that much money! You could buy $450 worth of steak, chicken, salmon and eggs instead!
Personally i shall read the ingredients and then make my own. Sorry Garraeth, but maybe you should have a quiet word with Milos.
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I'm a Milos fan, and i think he's a credit to a tarnished and sleazy sport - but the price of his 'miracle mixture' is so ridiculous it will certainly fail. Even rich people arn't going to shell out that much money! You could buy $450 worth of steak, chicken, salmon and eggs instead!
Personally i shall read the ingredients and then make my own. Sorry Garraeth, but maybe you should have a quiet word with Milos.
I would agree with most of this. He seems like one of the good guys. But this tarnish his rep IMO.
-Hedge
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Greed has got the best of Milos. He figures if everyone in the supp. industry is stealing and lying whos going to notice if he does too. No one is keeping score anymore right? Even God is confused.
Quick take the money and slip out the back door, nobody will notice right?
He forgot about Getbig...hahahah
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Wow. Now you guys are making decent coment.You guys make sence.
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This was posted a while back, I don't know how long. I saved it and have looked at it over and over, never trying it.
MILOS SHAKE
3-5 gms of creatine
5-10 gms of glutamine
15-20 gms of essential amino acids
15 gms of BCAA's
30-50 gms of vitargo
1 tsp of electrolyte drink powder
16-24 oz of water
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I'm a Milos fan, and i think he's a credit to a tarnished and sleazy sport - but the price of his 'miracle mixture' is so ridiculous it will certainly fail. Even rich people arn't going to shell out that much money! You could buy $450 worth of steak, chicken, salmon and eggs instead!
Personally i shall read the ingredients and then make my own. Sorry Garraeth, but maybe you should have a quiet word with Milos.
The sad thing is, if he had just priced it at about 35 - 40% of what he did, nobody would have said a word and he would have done fine. Instead, he had to use the old industry fallback and claim his was somehow "special", and jack the price up into the sky. ::)
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i'm growing out of my shirts and pants since using your during workout drinks for a couple of weeks now, PM me i'll tell you where to send the money.
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now fatboye is panhandling for clen $
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i'm growing out of my shirts and pants since using your during workout drinks for a couple of weeks now, PM me i'll tell you where to send the money.
I am growing out of mine too...but it is the cheeseburgers.
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collect it at koloseum gym
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now fatboye is panhandling for clen $
..pathetic..
hahahahaha, this coming from a towel head paki drug addict who takes steroids and still struggles to bench 185 and squat 225. ;D
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hahahahaha, this coming from a towel head paki drug addict who takes steroids and still struggles to bench 185 and squat 225. ;D
at least i waste juice BOUGHT WITH MY OWN $ ;)
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YES !!!!
you looked pretty damn thick and muscular in that last pic you posted SF
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YES !!!!
you looked pretty damn thick and muscular in that last pic you posted SF
hahahhaa, thanks Stavee, those pics were taken before starting the drink, it's incredible, also doing some supersets and giant sets.
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hahahahaha, this coming from a towel head paki drug addict who takes steroids and still struggles to bench 185 and squat 225. ;D
Hahahaha are you saying that "JUNAID A MEMON" is yet another dreamer who needs a gram of test just to get the balls to look at the bar?
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i'm growing out of my shirts and pants since using your during workout drinks for a couple of weeks now, PM me i'll tell you where to send the money.
So what's the recipe, man?
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450$
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So what's the recipe, man?
8oz. water, 8oz. grape juice, 8 grams Universal EAA's, 5 grams AST creatine.
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Hahahaha are you saying that "JUNAID A MEMON" is yet another dreamer who needs a gram of test just to get the balls to look at the bar?
hahahaha, exactly, if he didn't have a needle to put in his ass he wouldn't even train. ;D
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8oz. water, 8oz. grape juice, 8 grams Universal EAA's, 5 grams AST creatine.
Thanks, man!
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Thanks, man!
the amino's are only 22 bucks on bb.com and you get a bunch of it and the creatine is 17 bucks.
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i'm growing out of my shirts and pants since using your during workout drinks for a couple of weeks now, PM me i'll tell you where to send the money.
Milos, what did i tell you about feeing this man carbs? He was already fat before, god help him now! :o
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Milos, what did i tell you about feeing this man carbs? He was already fat before, god help him now! :o
hahahahah, where have you been midget? ;D
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The sad thing is, if he had just priced it at about 35 - 40% of what he did (the price of comperable amino products), nobody would have said a word and he would have done fine. Instead, he had to use the old industry fallback and claim his was somehow "special", and jack the price up into the sky. ::)
Yes, it's such a marketing suicide.
INstead of making it cheap so that the people buy it in heaps he overpriced it and hopes he will make a win out of a few sales.
Why not try what is already reality in Japan??
Aji no mote, the company that provides Milos' "special" amino acids make amino acid and BCAA supplements that you can buy lierally at EVERY street corner convenience store!! Everywhere, 24 hours a day.
Everytime when i was in Japan i would buy some of the to consume throughout the day.
I just don't get it why Milos didn't aim in this direction. Make it a fair price and as available as possible, and eventually it will spread and become a top selling product.
If it doesn't work, you can always double the price and scare potential buyers away later. ;D ;D ;D
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8oz. water, 8oz. grape juice, 8 grams Universal EAA's, 5 grams AST creatine.
creatine? hook me up with that man
i need to know where i can get hold of that stuff!
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creatine? hook me up with that man
i need to know where i can get hold of that stuff!
I heard Coleman takes it too.
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hahaha, i bet most pros wouldn't even bother with creatine.. what a waste of money that crap is
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many uneducated buyers believe that high prices = high quality.
getbig consumers are probably the most saavy guys not wearing lab coats and reading labels with oiled up bodybuilders.
not saying milos' product isn't high quality. To the contrary, it's probably the most talked about supplement/process/delivery discussed on getbig in 2 years. i'd love to try it.
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many uneducated buyers believe that high prices = high quality.
getbig consumers are probably the most saavy guys not wearing lab coats and reading labels with oiled up bodybuilders.
not saying milos' product isn't high quality. To the contrary, it's probably the most talked about supplement/process/delivery discussed on getbig in 2 years. i'd love to try it.
Yeah me too. I also agree it's probably a good product, but it's way overpriced.
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I'm a Milos fan, and i think he's a credit to a tarnished and sleazy sport - but the price of his 'miracle mixture' is so ridiculous it will certainly fail. Even rich people arn't going to shell out that much money! You could buy $450 worth of steak, chicken, salmon and eggs instead!
Personally i shall read the ingredients and then make my own. Sorry Garraeth, but maybe you should have a quiet word with Milos.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I'm hardly Milos' boss...even so, I wouldn't ask him to lower the price. He's going for the high-end crowd anyhow. The people who have the cash to pay for the highest quality.
Sure you can get cheap (ON Nutrition comes to mind), but as with roids (something most of you can associate with), you can buy animal roids or human grade -- and you pay through the nose for human grade, and you can't tell me that human grade isn't a hella lot better than horse or dog hormones (unless you're a dog or horse, of course).
But people w/o the cash will get dog hormones or ON Nutrition and do well. Then again, people with the cash will get human grade or KSN and blow the dog hormone/ON Nutrition users away...
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Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I'm hardly Milos' boss...even so, I wouldn't ask him to lower the price. He's going for the high-end crowd anyhow. The people who have the cash to pay for the highest quality.
Sure you can get cheap (ON Nutrition comes to mind), but as with roids (something most of you can associate with), you can buy animal roids or human grade -- and you pay through the nose for human grade, and you can't tell me that human grade isn't a hella lot better than horse or dog hormones (unless you're a dog or horse, of course).
But people w/o the cash will get dog hormones or ON Nutrition and do well. Then again, people with the cash will get human grade or KSN and blow the dog hormone/ON Nutrition users away...
Very good point. . . good post
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Very good point. . . good post
haha good post? garreth is one of the most pathetic lapdogs on getbig i cant wait for people to rip his response to pieces
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BS!
Are you saying ON products are dog food?? Not for human consumption??
And Milos' Stuff is the best around? Garraeth, stop sucking Milos' balls and man up. The stuff is overpriced.
haha good post? garreth is one of the most pathetic lapdogs on getbig i cant wait for people to rip his response to pieces
Sometimes i can agree even with you.
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BS!
Are you saying ON products are dog food?? Not for human consumption??
And Milos' Stuff is the best around? Garraeth, stop sucking Milos' balls and man up. The stuff is overpriced.
Sometimes i can agree even with you.
I'm more man sticking to my guns than caving to something I don't agree with even tho everyone on the board is pressuring me to...
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I'm more man sticking to my guns than caving to something I don't agree with even tho everyone on the board is pressuring me to...
haha, you're so stupid.
Now it has become a fight about principles. ::) ::)
You have to defend Milos, even if you still would have to admit that it IS ovrpriced. It may be a good supp, but it would be okay with 50% of the price. It's only sugar and amino acids, no wonder mixture.
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haha, you're so stupid.
Now it has become a fight about principles. ::) ::)
You have to defend Milos, even if you still would have to admit that it IS ovrpriced. It may be a good supp, but it would be okay with 50% of the price. It's only sugar and amino acids, no wonder mixture.
Whose fighting?
And no I don't. It's the highest grade aminos available and perfect ratios for lifting. And just one jug rather than having to mix everything together yourself.
Like I said, you can go on the cheap -- get yourself some dextrose/vitargo, aminos, creatine and mix it together. Get cheap, low quality products even. Mix them together yourself.
KNS isn't for the average Joe in college or high school on a tight budget. It's for the guy who doesn't have time or desire to screw around with mixing stuff, and worrying about quality. It's for a guy who wants one product. And a product he can trust is top quality.
So yea, it's expensive. But it's not targeted at the Walmart market...
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You have to defend Milos, even if you still would have to admit that it IS ovrpriced. It may be a good supp, but it would be okay with 50% of the price. It's only sugar and amino acids, no wonder mixture.
I am going to have agree with Donkey, that even if milos products do work, that maybe the price could come down to maybe $50 a bottle
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I am going to have agree with Donkey, that even if milos products do work, that maybe the price could come down to maybe $50 a bottle
I wish I could tell you I knew the markup...but I don't. So as far as I know they aren't making a landslide off it...but maybe they are...who knows.
Nature of the game -- no one tells you their take.
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garraeth, fuck you.
You can get all those 'high quality ingredients' way cheaper when you buy them separatly.
Buy 1kg amino caids, 1kg BCAA, 5kg dextrose, 1kg creapure and you will pay way more than Milos drink, but if you count WHAT you get and how much of Milos wonder drink you could get out of that, you will see how cheap buying highest quality ingredients really is, compared to Milos stuff.
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somebody should test the wonderdrink for us.
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I am going to have agree with Donkey, that even if milos products do work, that maybe the price could come down to maybe $50 a bottle
Im with garraeth on this one. Its about quality over quantity for some... sure you could always buy something inferior for less.
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I get really pissed off with magazines allowing adds such as pheromones called "Diandrol" "Anabol" etc they are ripping of poor teenage male believing these totally outragous claims.Magazines should have the integrity to tell these companys to fuck off.
I am not against Protien powders and the normal extreme creatine like BSN sell but you have to draw a line in the sand,ripping off kids of there money is totally wrong.
Milos shake i dunno but i am inclined to back up Hedgehog.
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I get really pissed off with magazines allowing adds such as pheromones called "Diandrol" "Anabol" etc they are ripping of poor teenage male believing these totally outragous claims.Magazines should have the integrity to tell these companys to fuck off.
I am not against Protien powders and the normal extreme creatine like BSN sell but you have to draw a line in the sand,ripping off kids of there money is totally wrong.
Milos shake i dunno but i am inclined to back up Hedgehog.
that's why i respect Lee, he never promotes a product where he doesn't believe in.
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that's why i respect Lee, he never promotes a product where he doesn't believe in.
Lee Priest tells it how it is.Much respect for the gentleman.
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This was posted a while back, I don't know how long. I saved it and have looked at it over and over, never trying it.
MILOS SHAKE
3-5 gms of creatine
5-10 gms of glutamine
15-20 gms of essential amino acids
15 gms of BCAA's
30-50 gms of vitargo
1 tsp of electrolyte drink powder
16-24 oz of water
Nice job 240 or Bust.
Busted! ;D
-Hedge
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garraeth, fuck you.
You can get all those 'high quality ingredients' way cheaper when you buy them separatly.
Buy 1kg amino caids, 1kg BCAA, 5kg dextrose, 1kg creapure and you will pay way more than Milos drink, but if you count WHAT you get and how much of Milos wonder drink you could get out of that, you will see how cheap buying highest quality ingredients really is, compared to Milos stuff.
haha, you are right. you can get them a lot cheaper in bulk, direct, and seperate.
But you're missing the point: there are people out there who don't want to deal with the hassle (me, for one). They would rather pay an extra $10-$20 a jug to have it pre-made from a trusted source.
You can do the same with your car. Just buy all the parts seperate and make it yourself. Fuck Honda. Fuck BMW. Make your own car yourself and save a bundle!
Silly rabbit...
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This was posted a while back, I don't know how long. I saved it and have looked at it over and over, never trying it.
MILOS SHAKE
3-5 gms of creatine
5-10 gms of glutamine
15-20 gms of essential amino acids
15 gms of BCAA's
30-50 gms of vitargo
1 tsp of electrolyte drink powder
16-24 oz of water
See, this is great. Do it!
But it also emphasizes my point. This is a pain in the ass if you've got no time, but you do have money. Like me, and a ton of others in the gym.
It's a total pain in the ass to buy all that shit, store it in your kitchen w/ the rest of your shit, and then mix it all together before the gym each day. I have better things to do with my time than be a chemist/chef when someone can do it for me -- and, like I said, top quality vs/ guessing on quality on each of the individual components.
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I have a FLEX magazine which i read only in the bathroom cuz thats the only respect it deserves till my subscription runs out... anyway, in this months edition ( the one with jay on the cover), on page 200 there is a article by Milos Sarcev saying how to add 10 lbs in a month... and he suggest adding 3 shakes only to your workout ( ADD IT TO YOUR EXISTING WORKOUT)
Pre Workout:
3-10g Creatine
3-10g Glutamine
15-20g Essential Amino Acids
15g BCAA
30-50 Vitargo
1tsp electrolyte drink powder
During Workout:
3-5g Creatine
3-10g Glutamine
15-20g Essential Amino Acids
15g BCAA
50 Vitargo
1tsp electrolyte drink powder
Post Workout
3-5g Creatine
3-10g Glutamine
40-50g Whey
50-75 Vitargo
1tsp electrolyte drink powder
My question is about the Viatrgo... from my understanding Vitargo is like Dextrose, but more efficient ( faster absorbtion)... so wouldnt having all those amounts of Vitargo before and during workout give you an energy crash!?!?!
and wouldnt it make doing cardio useless? cuz you'll only burn the carbs you took...
any feedback appreciated...
Re-post from another thread (credit to 240 or Bust for the excellent heads up! 8))
-Hedge
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lol Garraeth, you make me laugh... ;)
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hahaha, i bet most pros wouldn't even bother with creatine.. what a waste of money that crap is
i don't think it's nessecary to take creatin if you are taking 2000mg test a week
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i don't think it's nessecary to take creatin if you are taking 2000mg test a week
thats a good one.....
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hahahaha, exactly, if he didn't have a needle to put in his ass he wouldn't even train. ;D
that's not all he puts in his ass :-X
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Exactly what "high-end crowd" is he going for, billionaires? I make more money than probably 90% of the people here, and I wouldn't pay $450/month for what amounts to sugar and amino acids! Not when you can get the exact same thing from the exact same place Milos is getting them from (Ajinomoto) for 1/3 the price. ::)
Loyalty is great, but you're just making yourself look bad defending him on this one.
Like I said, convenience and trust are something worth paying for.
Good luck with your purchase of L-Glutamine from Ajiamino. Can you help me find the "Add to Cart" button? http://www.ajiaminoscience.com/New/templates/sections/products/products_laminoacids.asp
And, have fun with your 25 kilo bucket (min order) of it (IF you can order it as a retail customer)...and your 2 teaspoon per serving usage. ::)
Me looking bad? You're trying to make it sound like any joe schmoe can get some nice, off the shelf, jug of Ajiamino products -- in an effort to discredit Milos...
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Like I said, convenience and trust are something worth paying for.
Good luck with your purchase of L-Glutamine from Ajiamino. Can you help me find the "Add to Cart" button? http://www.ajiaminoscience.com/New/templates/sections/products/products_laminoacids.asp
And, have fun with your 25 kilo bucket (min order) of it (IF you can order it as a retail customer)...and your 2 teaspoon per serving usage. ::)
Me looking bad? You're trying to make it sound like any joe schmoe can get some nice, off the shelf, jug of Ajiamino products -- in an effort to discredit Milos...
how many 2teaspoon servings do you get out of a 25kilo bucket? :o
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oh, haha, I was wrong. YOU CAN buy small (1 kilo) jugs of L-Glutamine. Oh, so, sorry...I registered and added it to my cart....here's the screenshot:
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Like I said, convenience and trust are something worth paying for.
Good luck with your purchase of L-Glutamine from Ajiamino. Can you help me find the "Add to Cart" button? http://www.ajiaminoscience.com/New/templates/sections/products/products_laminoacids.asp
And, have fun with your 25 kilo bucket (min order) of it (IF you can order it as a retail customer)...and your 2 teaspoon per serving usage. ::)
Me looking bad? You're trying to make it sound like any joe schmoe can get some nice, off the shelf, jug of Ajiamino products -- in an effort to discredit Milos...
Dumbass. Their retail products are sold under their AminoVital brand. You can buy from bb.com. ::)
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how many 2teaspoon servings do you get out of a 25kilo bucket? :o
I'm guessing it'd spoil....or the sun would explode first.
And, sorry guys, I ain't buying that shit (the L-Glutamine I added to my cart). Did you see the price.
Oh, my bad...you're right Goatboy...Milos is totally fucken screwing EVERYONE.... ::)
yeah, $200 for 1 kilo of L-Glutamine straight from Ajiamino....hahahahahahh ahahahahahahhahahahahahh a!!
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Dumbass. Their retail products are sold under their AminoVital brand. You can buy from bb.com. ::)
pharmaceutical grade dumbass...not bbing.com grade
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$200 for 1 kilo :o 1 kilo=2.2lbs=$200 ??? for glutamine?
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somebody should test the wonderdrink for us.
ok..I will test out the drink
I hate my neighbors dog..this is the perfect oppertunity to poison him
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ok..I will test out the drink
I hate my neighbors dog..this is the perfect oppertunity to poison him
if that's you in your AV you should also test out some d-bol and test.... :P
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ok..I will test out the drink
I hate my neighbors dog..this is the perfect oppertunity to poison him
What if the dog gets big and buff instead? :o
There is no problem with the quality of Milos' drink, only the outrageous price he's charging for it.
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What if the dog gets big and buff instead? :o
don't do it >:(
just don't >:(
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don't do it >:(
just don't >:(
;D
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but 80 bucks for 15 servings is borderline retarded
Damn the cost of making 15 servings made in bulk must low.
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;D
I know where you were going with that one ;)
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Im with garraeth on this one. Its about quality over quantity for some... sure you could always buy something inferior for less. Actually if you go to Koloseum gym and buy it there its only $49.99 which is even more reasonable.
Hi Garraeth
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This is true to form... he thinks 1 hour of his time as a personal trainer is worth $500. ::) Hell, most ivy-league lawyers don't even get $500/hr, let alone some meathead trainer. To put it in perspective, based on a 40-hour week that would be over $1M a year. So, it's not surprising that he's pimping some powders that should go for $20-$25 for $70.
The sad thing is his knowledge and theories are sound. And while I can't begrudge anyone for wanting to make money, being blatantly over-the-top greedy about it is not a way to enhance one's reputation.
Goatboy...my hour is worth what I say it is worth - and NOBODY is ever forced to hire me...
However, those they did NEVER COMPLAINED.
Besides, would you hire a lawyer to get you in shape - anyway? ;)
Some "celebrity" trainers make much more...and I am 100% certain they are NOT any better than me...
But, something that most of you DON'T KNOW - I have helped more people without taking a single dime - simply AS I DO WANT TO HELP...
Money doesn't motivate me - results do...
As far as "my drink" (rather "drinks") being "overpriced" - I would suggest you to try to make exact drink using AJIPURE aminos (by far the best in business) and see how much would it coast you...
Simply - it is expensive product as it is worth its weight in gold...of course to those few who will give it an honest try.
Many of you question everything that I say so I will let you attack me for a while...make jokes...etc...until is right time to give answers...
I am "not answering" at this point as I have to wait 6 weeks for my next supply - and I hardly have any leftovers from my first batch...
Again, those of you who prefer to THINK - I will say AGAIN:
KNS concept defines few things;
1) Contrary to conventional thinking - we believe that most anabolic phase of training is ACTUAL WORKOUT and not "window of opportunity" after the workout when body would replenish what was lost (catabolised) during the exercise.
2) While PRE-DURING-POST concept is not new - NOBODY (to my knowledge anyway) has similar drinks or rationale
3) While many companies do have PRE workout drink as well many use enhanced blood delivery caused by NO products - all they are accomplishing is - delivering MORE OF THE EMPTY BLOOD...
4) Blood saturated with proper and timely nutrients is a key...as BLOOD FLOW TO THE MUSCLE IS BY FAR HIGHEST ONLY - DURING the workout...and whoever misses this opportunity is missing the greatest possibility to create (what I call): HYPER-ANABOLISM...or highest state of anabolism (biggest differential between protein synthesys and protein degradation)...
5) Blood delievered without exact nutrients will certainly be inferior to "KNS blood"...but as my getbig fans suggests - there is equally good "poor mans version" of Milos drink...Well, what can I tell you...If you believe you can drive the car filling it up with the Orange Juice - go ahead...it is poor mans version of gas...
6) READ again 1 to 5 ;)
As far as being "bluntly over the top" - come to my office and if you are interested in joining the party and investing in KNS (by the way we have only introduced ONE concept so far and STARTING line of supplements...as we want to get attention with FIRST CONCEPT before we go any further...) - I will show you my "manufacturing coast" and THAN ask you HOW MUCH WOULD YOU CHARGE...If you suggest any less - I will immediately agree...DEAL?
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Milos,
is you pre workout shake avaible in the UK
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Milos,
is you pre workout shake avaible in the UK
How about europe?
I'm in germany, tell me where to get it, and i will try it.
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How about europe?
I'm in germany, tell me where to get it, and i will try it.
Maybe you have trust in the product?
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Maybe you have trust in the product?
I really believe it's a good product.
It's overpriced, but if Milos says the amino acids are very good, i want to give it a try.
Compare it with the shake i mix myself.
If there's no difference, i think i will notice it.
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it's like a raped women who has a hard time trusting men in her life anymore. i'm betrayed too much with supplements that i'm a lot more reserved in buying them.
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it's like a raped women who has a hard time trusting men in her life anymore. i'm betrayed too much with supplements that i'm a lot more reserved in buying them.
Mee too.
I need some serious good arguments and some fine references before i buy something.
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I really believe it's a good product.
It's overpriced, but if Milos says the amino acids are very good, i want to give it a try.
Compare it with the shake i mix myself.
If there's no difference, i think i will notice it.
THats I am asking over and over again.
Ajinomoto amino acids are that much better than others?
Now its clear that the quality of amino acid is the only reason why it is so expensive.
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Milos,
is you pre workout shake avaible in the UK
take ECA/handfull of BCAA/1 scope of whey and a diet dr.pepper....or suck your girl's pussy 30 minutes prior to working out
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This was posted a while back, I don't know how long. I saved it and have looked at it over and over, never trying it.
MILOS SHAKE
3-5 gms of creatine
5-10 gms of glutamine
15-20 gms of essential amino acids
15 gms of BCAA's
30-50 gms of vitargo
1 tsp of electrolyte drink powder
16-24 oz of water
[if thats whats in it per serve and you get 14 serves per tub for $75 its agood deal as long as the aminos are top quality, infact its cheap, i do something similar and it costs me more and im using fruit juice no vitargo and lower amounts, if its just normal whey its crap.
Only thing is most top quality aminos wont mix with the water they will float, i have to spoon mine into my mouth and swallow
adding fluid as they dont mix, as i said they are pharma grade aminos, the fact that they mix up make sme suspicious but come on Milos we need to see whats in there per serve im suprised you dont have to list it by law.
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The Milos drink is still alive, damn your getbig sponsors Milos whether its good or bad ;D
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if thats whats in it per serve and you get 14 serves per tub for $75 its agood deal as long as the aminos are top quality, infact its cheap, i do something similar and it costs me more and im using fruit juice no vitargo and lower amounts, if its just normal whey its crap.
Only thing is most top quality aminos wont mix with the water they will float, i have to spoon mine into my mouth and swallow
adding fluid as they dont mix, as i said they are pharma grade aminos, the fact that they mix up make sme suspicious but come on Milos we need to see whats in there per serve im suprised you dont have to list it by law.
Well, some white crap in it floats and has a real hard time mixing in...and gets all trapped in the foam when you shake it up...the aminos? Maybe. Dbl check w/ Milos.
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it's like a raped women who has a hard time trusting men in her life anymore. i'm betrayed too much with supplements that i'm a lot more reserved in buying them.
Do you understand what you are buying?
Dormant muscle fibers initiating hypertophic phase of xyz genetic pathway through nanotechnology....etc... etc...
How many of you guys are "raped" as you didn't understand that message said: "I want to rape you stupid..I will just say it in the words you don't understand what it means..."
I on another hand DON'T WANT ANYONE TO USE THE PRODUCT IF THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING AND AGREE THAT CONCEPT MAKES SENSE...
As they start believing in the concept they might start looking into supplements and wonder IF my ingredients can be easily substituted with "just as good" whey and grape juice...
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THats I am asking over and over again.
Ajinomoto amino acids are that much better than others?
Now its clear that the quality of amino acid is the only reason why it is so expensive.
Kyomu, you being from Japan should know that AJINOPURE aminos from AJINOMOTO company are by far THE BEST in the world.
While I will accept that my product could be duplicated for LESS (not much less - but less) if someone uses cheaper version of certain amino acids...but certainly NOT what people suggest - whey or any other protein...
Now, now many of you know the difference from AJINOPURE aminos - pharmaceutical grade used in IV solutions in hospitals...and OTHER - highly available for supplement industry?
OTHERS are manufactured ....from HUMAN HAIR...(now to put it bluntly - I had to imagine lets say someone's pubic hair to get into my drink...or to risk somewhat higher coast...MY DECISION WAS EASY...)
Ajinopure aminos are made by fermentation process which I witnessed visiting their company in North Carolina...
What's more - I am about to become AJINOPURE spokesperson...
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Milos,
is you pre workout shake avaible in the UK
Soon ;)
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How about europe?
I'm in germany, tell me where to get it, and i will try it.
Soon ;)
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I'm guessing it'd spoil....or the sun would explode first.
And, sorry guys, I ain't buying that shit (the L-Glutamine I added to my cart). Did you see the price.
Oh, my bad...you're right Goatboy...Milos is totally fucken screwing EVERYONE.... ::)
yeah, $200 for 1 kilo of L-Glutamine straight from Ajiamino....hahahahahahh ahahahahahahhahahahahahh a!!
Here is example:
Through KNS - I can offer you that same 1kg of GLUTAMINE 50% OFF - and possibly even LESS....much less...(I am getting absolutely THE BEST deals from "AJI" and therefore my statement to Bob at the radio show [how much would coast any of you this same products if you would try to call AJINOMOTO and purchase all the ingredients yourself] was something I wanted to emphasize for those of you who think that I am just overpricing cheap product with intention to just make money at expense of hard working bodybuilders who in reality have no money to waste....
Also, MOST OF THE BODYBUILDERS from around the world - I train for FREE - as I am trying to HELP pretty much everyone...
"Mustafa" is just one of the examples...and Silvio is my "last example"...
Maybe, just maybe ONE OF THESE DAYS HE WOULD TELL THE TRUTH about our business/personal relationship - which ended with me being labeled as "opportunist" wanting nothing else - but to rip him off ::).
I am planning to have also INDIVIDUAL AJINOPURE AMINOS available for those of you who want to experiment as much as I do...
AMINOSCIENCE is future of bodybuilding supplementation - believe me....I know.
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For those of you who don't visit my board...I posted this some time ago:
I would like to officially thank Ajinomoto's president Jack Heaton, sales manager Tim Osborne, vice president Fuminao Hachiuma, associate director Jay Kojima - Ph. D, sales and marketing manager Yoshihko Shimpo, Kim Shovelin (functional foods) and Mike Tesch (nutritionals) for the wonderful hospitality and tour of their beyond impressive facilities in Raleigh, North Carolina.
Moreover I would like to personally thank them for their interest and willingness to help me in amino acid research for their application in athletic performance.
For more than 20 years I have been doing experiments with amino acids to prove some of my theories and I am delighted to say: I have found NUMEROUS formulations of aminos (mixed with other nutrients) with profound effect on athletic performance, hypertrophy, anabolic as well as anti-catabolic actions, cell volumazing properties, release of numerous anabolic hormones (GH, IGF-1, Insulin, Testosterone...), improvement in mood, energy, strength, power, endurance, aerobic and anaerobic abilities, recovery, metabolism, well being, reaction speed, mental alertness, acuity and concentration...intellig ence and beauty...(OK - I am kidding about last two...)
Since 1981 when I started training I also started reading, researching and experimenting with numerous amino acid formulations.
I must confess: back home in Yugoslavia I was stealing empty prescriptions from my father (medical doctor) and I've learned how to write Rx for my favorite medication "EAK" (Hemofarm - Vrsac).
This "medication" was prescription (pharmaceutical grade) essential amino acids product in tablet form - and I must say: in reality EAA (Essential Amino Acids) are true medicaments with so many physiological benefits to humans in general (especially for the knowledgeable athletes).
Throughout the years I made every effort to obtain certain amino acids from the various sources (and numerous countries) and FINALLY after all these years I've got something that I was always looking for: THE BEST AMINO ACIDS ON THE PLANET - "AJINOPURE" from the leading amino acid manufacturer: AJINOMOTO.
I will disclose just this much for now: most of the amino acids on the US and World market are made from......human hair!!!
Not too many people are aware of this and it is kind of "industry secret" ( I must admit - I was not aware of that fact either...)
Just don't ask me and I will not tell - kind of thing...
Well, AJINOMOTO uses patented fermentation technology to manufacture their AJINOPURE bland - ultimately THE WORLDS HIGHEST QUALITY AMINO ACIDS TODAY.
OK...now - the good news:
Ajinomoto is very much interested to help me continue with my research and I can report that have already experimented with numerous amino acid formulations WITH EXCEPTIONAL RESULTS which I am ready to put on the nutritional (sport) supplements market through my Koloseum Nutritional Sciences (KNS) company.
I am getting "experimental supply" of amino acids as I request - and I am very grateful for that.
Certainly, I would like to use this opportunity to officially thank Ajinomoto, their president Jack Heaton and especially Tim Osborne for their generous donation of amino acids for my research.
AMINO ACIDS ARE FUTURE OF NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENTS - I am sure about that!
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And of course - LOVE OF MY LIFE - my wife Milamar....as perfect example what IFBB pro figure competitor should look like (yet always SOMEHOW places just about last - when she enters IFBB pro figure competitions???) made spectacular improvements with AJINOMOTO AMINOS in the very short time...
Here is my "training client" I am PROUD THE MOST... :-*
Photos are from Malta (June'07), Josef Adlt photography
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Oh, I forgot to mention: she is KNS athlete, endorser of KNS supplements...
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Milos, how many days does it take to send your drink to Michigan? I am on a low calorie, high recreational drug diet and need some extra motivation lately.
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How is your client doing Danielson?
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How is your client doing Danielson?
He is doing pretty good. Peaking a little early imo. But it shouldn't be a problem, he is 209 at about 8% or less right now, should be an easy victory.
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I would love to try your product but I find it hard to justify the $79.99 + $10 s/h for 15 servings
Is there a getbig member discount?
also your wife is hot...what the hell is she doing with you?
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Now, now many of you know the difference from AJINOPURE aminos - pharmaceutical grade used in IV solutions in hospitals...
Why take a product designed to be shot into your veins and run it through your digestive system? ::)
Isn't that like buying expensive GH and drinking it?
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Kyomu, you being from Japan should know that AJINOPURE aminos from AJINOMOTO company are by far THE BEST in the world.
While I will accept that my product could be duplicated for LESS (not much less - but less) if someone uses cheaper version of certain amino acids...but certainly NOT what people suggest - whey or any other protein...
Now, now many of you know the difference from AJINOPURE aminos - pharmaceutical grade used in IV solutions in hospitals...and OTHER - highly available for supplement industry?
OTHERS are manufactured ....from HUMAN HAIR...(now to put it bluntly - I had to imagine lets say someone's pubic hair to get into my drink...or to risk somewhat higher coast...MY DECISION WAS EASY...)
Ajinopure aminos are made by fermentation process which I witnessed visiting their company in North Carolina...
What's more - I am about to become AJINOPURE spokesperson...
Damn! You are a suppa freak who visit their factory to see it!! :o
I am surprised that they have branch in North Carolina.
I will try to find them out in Europe(maybe they have branch somewhere in Germany dusseldolf). Or i will call my mom to send me..but,its difficult to import them maybe..I dont know...
well by the way,you think its not a good idea to do cardio right after workout with taking your drink?
Because the cardio makes "The hyper anobolic states" short due to remove the blood from the area you trained hard right before.
For example,you train your arm very hard with your giant set and then,you do cardio right after that arm trainning and your blood goes to your legs.
What do you think?
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Damn! You are a suppa freak who visit their factory to see it!! :o
I am surprised that they have branch in North Carolina.
I will try to find them out in Europe(maybe they have branch somewhere in Germany dusseldolf). Or i will call my mom to send me..but,its difficult to import them maybe..I dont know...
well by the way,you think its not a good idea to do cardio right after workout with taking your drink?
Because the cardio makes "The hyper anobolic states" short due to remove the blood from the area you trained hard right before.
For example,you train your arm very hard with your giant set and then,you do cardio right after that arm trainning and your blood goes to your legs.
What do you think?
As far as i know, Duesseldorf is in the hands of JFC. ;D ;D ;D
Never seen Ajinomoto salesmen there. (I live 60km from Duesseldorf nd have worked in a japanese restaurant during my time in university ;D ;D ;D )
I'm in Japan again in september, i'll investigate a bit there. ;D ;D
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As far as i know, Duesseldorf is in the hands of JFC. ;D ;D ;D
Never seen Ajinomoto salesmen there. (I live 60km from Duesseldorf nd have worked in a japanese restaurant during my time in university ;D ;D ;D )
I'm in Japan again in september, i'll investigate a bit there. ;D ;D
Its much easier to call or e-mail ajinomoto directly and ask for the number of europe branch.
I will do it.
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Its much easier to call or e-mail ajinomoto directly and ask for the number of europe branch.
I will do it.
Yes, sure.
What i wanted to say is i will buy a fucking lot of Ajinomoto amino acids when i'm in Japan. ;D ;D
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I think Milos would make much more money to be a spokesman of ajinomoto.
Because they are huge company and they can make same drink with low cost and sell them a lot world wide. So Milos can charge them with their using his name as charismatic trainer and researching the relation between ajinopure amino and muscle growth.
And nobody would get angry at the cost of drink.
Am I wrong?
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Yes, sure.
What i wanted to say is i will buy a fucking lot of Ajinomoto amino acids when i'm in Japan. ;D ;D
Haha. I remember that i bought a bunch of enzyme in japan and bring it here for my product. ;D
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Haha. I remember that i bought a bunch of enzyme in japan and bring it here for my product. ;D
Oh yes, i heard they are hitselling in Japan.
I use bromelaine a lot.
何かお勧めなブランドとかありますか？？
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Oh yes, i heard they are hitselling in Japan.
I use bromelaine a lot.
何かお勧めなブランドとかありますか？？
Sorry bro. 1 year and half i am not there.I cant recommend anything. Haha..Maybe Milos know better about Japan.. :-[
I produce rice cake(Daifuku Mochi) in here and i needed enzyme for preventing mochi from being hard(As you know,mochi is like marshmallow.)
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Sorry bro. 1 year and half i am not there.I cant recommend anything. Haha..Maybe Milos know better about Japan.. :-[
I produce rice cake(Daifuku Mochi) in here and i needed enzyme for preventing mochi from being hard(As you know,mochi is like marshmallow.)
Ohh cool.
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Ohh cool.
My distributor was planning to export my products to Germany. But my products are difficult to maintain their quality and we have hard time for that.So now,i am selling them to whole spanish and portugal japanese restaurants as their deserts.
I am very proud that one of my client is Ferran Adria of El bulli
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Bulli
I hope you are going to eat one time my rice cake...
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My distributor was planning to export my products to Germany. But my products are difficult to maintain their quality and we have hard time for that.So now,i am selling them to whole spanish and portugal japanese restaurants as their deserts.
I am very proud that one of my client is Ferran Adria of El bulli
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Bulli
I hope you are going to eat one time my rice cake...
Sure!
I hope i can go to spain next year.
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Why take a product designed to be shot into your veins and run it through your digestive system? ::)
Isn't that like buying expensive GH and drinking it?
This answer said it all...great thinking Goatboy ::)
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I would love to try your product but I find it hard to justify the $79.99 + $10 s/h for 15 servings
Is there a getbig member discount?
also your wife is hot...what the hell is she doing with you?
Everything that I would love to try - I try it regardless of the price...
Getbig member discount?
Didn't think about that yet...After all - you guys give me so much love and respect I might consider it....
My wife is not just hot...she is simply - sexiest and most beautiful woman alive...What is she doing with me?
Laughing at people that want something but they are too cheap to try it...
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I will disclose just this much for now: most of the amino acids on the US and World market are made from......human hair!!!
Not too many people are aware of this and it is kind of "industry secret" ( I must admit - I was not aware of that fact either...)
Just don't ask me and I will not tell - kind of thing...
Can someone check if this has some truth to it. I highly doubt it.
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Everything that I would love to try - I try it regardless of the price...
Getbig member discount?
Didn't think about that yet...After all - you guys give me so much love and respect I might consider it....
My wife is not just hot...she is simply - sexiest and most beautiful woman alive...What is she doing with me?
Laughing at people that want something but they are too cheap to try it...
HAHAHAHHAHAHA Good one Milos ;D
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Can someone check if this has some truth to it. I highly doubt it.
What will happen if it is true?
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What will happen if it is true?
Nothing
If not: ownage
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;D ;D
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Can someone check if this has some truth to it. I highly doubt it.
Just do a google search. The information is out there.
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Just do a google search. The information is out there.
Fuck you, google search.
this is insider info that only Milos and a few in the highest levels of supplement industry conglomerates have. :o :o :o :o
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Fuck you, google search.
this is insider info that only Milos and a few in the highest levels of supplement industry conglomerates have. :o :o :o :o
::) :)
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::) :)
Maybe Milos can throw a drink on the market which allows you to solve the mysteries of the world.
He could call it the "Milos-Know-It-All".
$80 for five servings and you know you've wasted a lot of money for some gatorade with BCAA in it. ;D ;D
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Can someone check if this has some truth to it. I highly doubt it.
Please do ;).
Well, to tell the truth - I had no idea until I started looking for my source of aminos...
I guess it is Industry secret and not too many people talk about it...but PLEASE - do your search and let us know what you find.
I can certainly make my product cheaper IF I choose to use amino acids from many other sources and companies...but I want the BEST...and I am 100% rather 1 million percent certain - I have the best!
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Please do ;).
Well, to tell the truth - I had no idea until I started looking for my source of aminos...
I guess it is Industry secret and not too many people talk about it...but PLEASE - do your search and let us know what you find.
I can certainly make my product cheaper IF I choose to use amino acids from many other sources and companies...but I want the BEST...and I am 100% rather 1 million percent certain - I have the best!
Milos...do you know IF a pro using your product and IGF would see good results...hypothetically of course.
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Maybe Milos can throw a drink on the market which allows you to solve the mysteries of the world.
He could call it the "Milos-Know-It-All".
$80 for five servings and you know you've wasted a lot of money for some gatorade with BCAA in it. ;D ;D
Donkey Kong aka " HALF DONKEY - HALF MONKEY" read my PM...I did find the time to answer your private question...and I do hope you will consider what I suggest...
After all - why would you be interested where can you buy my product (and waste the money) if you can make your own BCAA-Gatorade mix?
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Milos...do you know IF a pro using your product and IGF would see good results...hypothetically of course.
Pros using my product ALL see great results...
Hypothetically speaking if some pros or not pros use my products WITH ANYTHING ELSE that could pharmacologically increase ANABOLISM - than off course results would be even better.
I know several Rx products that could make wonders combined with my drinks ;)...but as far as "NATURAL SUPPLEMENTS" - I am convinced that my KNS system (using my pre-during-post workout drinks) creates HIGHEST ANABOLIC RESPONSE possible considering only supplements are allowed to be used.
Only few RX products could make even higher rate of ANABOLISM - but that's another story...
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does this drink contain urine?
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does this drink contain urine?
is that a pre-requisite for your purchase :-X
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is that a pre-requisite for your purchase :-X
Well, he figures that if it tastes like the Urine of a Ram he is good because he has been training for Beerfest and if you can drink ram's piss...well, fcuk you can drink anything.
Pros using my product ALL see great results...
Hypothetically speaking if some pros or not pros use my products WITH ANYTHING ELSE that could pharmacologically increase ANABOLISM - than off course results would be even better.
I know several Rx products that could make wonders combined with my drinks ;)...but as far as "NATURAL SUPPLEMENTS" - I am convinced that my KNS system (using my pre-during-post workout drinks) creates HIGHEST ANABOLIC RESPONSE possible considering only supplements are allowed to be used.
Only few RX products could make even higher rate of ANABOLISM - but that's another story...
That makes sense. Even just having creatine and EAA's in small forms makes workouts awesome and I feel a difference, I can only imagine what the strong formula can do.
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does this drink contain urine?
Probably does in your drink - when you choose which flavor of Gatorade you like the most.
I understand that "de gustibus not est disputandum /LATIN for - we can't discuss about the taste - as everybody has their own preferences" ...but I would remind you:
while I can accept that you appreciate urine flavor - remember that Gatorade contains additional carbs and electrolites that your usual "refreshment drink" just doesn't have...
If I can suggest: continue drinking your favorite urine drink throughout the day - but during the workout take Gatorade.
Well, in case you really can't skip your drink of choice - just make sure you add some kind of GLUCOSE or GLUCOSE POLYMER in your urine...
PS: almost forgot: if you can get urine of the pregnant cow - you might increase anabolism a bit...Worth your consideration ;).
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Probably does in your drink - when you choose which flavor of Gatorade you like the most.
I understand that "de gustibus not est disputandum /LATIN for - we can't discuss about the taste - as everybody has their own preferences" ...but I would remind you:
while I can accept that you appreciate urine flavor - remember that Gatorade contains additional carbs and electrolites that your usual "refreshment drink" just doesn't have...
If I can suggest: continue drinking your favorite urine drink throughout the day - but during the workout take Gatorade.
Well, in case you really can't skip your drink of choice - just make sure you add some kind of GLUCOSE or GLUCOSE POLYMER in your urine...
PS: almost forgot: if you can get urine of the pregnant caw - you might increase anabolism a bit...Worth your consideration ;).
should he consider the man batter he swallows glucose or a glucose polymer :-X
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MILOS PLEASE POST WHAT YOU ARE GETTING IN A SERVE OF YOUR PRODUCT, im not a hater, im a fan but as a consumer i need to know what im getting.
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Probably does in your drink - when you choose which flavor of Gatorade you like the most.
I understand that "de gustibus not est disputandum /LATIN for - we can't discuss about the taste - as everybody has their own preferences" ...but I would remind you:
while I can accept that you appreciate urine flavor - remember that Gatorade contains additional carbs and electrolites that your usual "refreshment drink" just doesn't have...
If I can suggest: continue drinking your favorite urine drink throughout the day - but during the workout take Gatorade.
Well, in case you really can't skip your drink of choice - just make sure you add some kind of GLUCOSE or GLUCOSE POLYMER in your urine...
PS: almost forgot: if you can get urine of the pregnant caw - you might increase anabolism a bit...Worth your consideration ;).
longwinded meltdown.
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If your not going to say whats in the drink per serve, this product isnt going anywhere, people need to know that along with your knowledge what we are getting, without this information, sorry but your product is destined to fail if your looking to retire on it, you will sell a few tubs just like your photos but that will be the end of it, show us value for money and i predict with the right marketing and support info and seminars from you, and you may be on a winner if you structure it right with good worldwide distributors with reputable athletes supporting it from those countries.
SO LET US HAVE THE BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE ARE GETTING, this isnt KFC and you aint the Colonel so give us the herbs and spices baby. :-*
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Donkey Kong aka " HALF DONKEY - HALF MONKEY" read my PM...I did find the time to answer your private question...and I do hope you will consider what I suggest...
After all - why would you be interested where can you buy my product (and waste the money) if you can make your own BCAA-Gatorade mix?
haha, relax, Milos.
I'm just throwing a little gasoline into the fire so the fun won't stop so soon.
You already have convinced about 43.7% of the users on this board. ;) ;D ;D
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longwinded meltdown.
With the touch (or maybe a drop?) of urine... ;)
Cheers!
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If your not going to say whats in the drink per serve, this product isnt going anywhere, people need to know that along with your knowledge what we are getting, without this information, sorry but your product is destined to fail if your looking to retire on it, you will sell a few tubs just like your photos but that will be the end of it, show us value for money and i predict with the right marketing and support info and seminars from you, and you may be on a winner if you structure it right with good worldwide distributors with reputable athletes supporting it from those countries.
SO LET US HAVE THE BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE ARE GETTING, this isnt KFC and you aint the Colonel so give us the herbs and spices baby. :-*
::)
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haha, relax, Milos.
I'm just throwing a little gasoline into the fire so the fun won't stop so soon.
You already have convinced about 43.7% of the users on this board. ;) ;D ;D
43.7% with you included?
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Bast get's his drink straight from his boyfriend's tap.
Way cheaper than Milos', but you will have to do PH with it. ::)
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I need a vacation..
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43.7% with you included?
Yup!
I'm having my order ready. Maybe i'll wait until it comes out in europe.
How much is shipping to germany, Milos? Last time i ordered at BB.com, it was fairly cheap, but the packet was rather light.
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pretty expensive whey with vitargo ::)
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How do you tell someone you are using a 450 $ supplement.
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DOES THIS SHAKE CONTAIN ROIDS? OR gh?
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DOES THIS SHAKE CONTAIN ROIDS? OR gh?
Then it would cover the costs at least.
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I wouldn't drink that crap if it was free. I'd rather get my calories from good food.
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I don't understand all the whining about the cost of Milos's products! When Muscletech introduced Anator P70 "muscle gene activator", I paid $89.99 for that crap. It tasted horrible and did absoutely nothing! I ended up throwing it out! Recently, I bought their new naNOVapor for $64.99...also a piece of garbage! Muscletech is a ripp-off brand! I have found over three dozen products in the market that cost equal to or MORE than KNS products...and they are all crap! KNS products are the first supplement's I've used that have delivered what they promise! When I train now, I not only have an insane pump, but unbelievable endurance as well. I've packed on over 10 pounds of muscle and dropped 3 inches off my waist in the last 60 days...and my metabolism is through the roof! Hell, with these kind of results, I'd gladly pay $100 per item!
Thank you Milos!!!
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I don't understand all the whining about the cost of Milos's products! When Muscletech introduced Anator P70 "muscle gene activator", I paid $89.99 for that crap. It tasted horrible and did absoutely nothing! I ended up throwing it out! Recently, I bought their new naNOVapor for $64.99...also a piece of garbage! Muscletech is a ripp-off brand! I have found over three dozen products in the market that cost equal to or MORE than KNS products...and they are all crap! KNS products are the first supplement's I've used that have delivered what they promise! When I train now, I not only have an insane pump, but unbelievable endurance as well. I've packed on over 10 pounds of muscle and dropped 3 inches off my waist in the last 60 days...and my metabolism is through the roof! Hell, with these kind of results, I'd gladly pay $100 per item!
Thank you Milos!!!
Date Registered: July 09, 2007, 10:36:43 PM
haha you registered to say that?
welcome to getbig ::)
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I don't understand all the whining about the cost of Milos's products! When Muscletech introduced Anator P70 "muscle gene activator", I paid $89.99 for that crap. It tasted horrible and did absoutely nothing! I ended up throwing it out! Recently, I bought their new naNOVapor for $64.99...also a piece of garbage! Muscletech is a ripp-off brand! I have found over three dozen products in the market that cost equal to or MORE than KNS products...and they are all crap! KNS products are the first supplement's I've used that have delivered what they promise! When I train now, I not only have an insane pump, but unbelievable endurance as well. I've packed on over 10 pounds of muscle and dropped 3 inches off my waist in the last 60 days...and my metabolism is through the roof! Hell, with these kind of results, I'd gladly pay $100 per item!
Thank you Milos!!!
ok, even I have to say this: meltdown...but glad you like it ;D
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Yes, and 200$ for some sugar and amino acids you could get for less than 1/3 is ridiculous.
DEFINITELY NOT WORTH THE MONEY.
just buy a whey protien powder in bulk, add in your aminos, and creatine (optional) and VIOLA, u just saved thousands of dollars lol
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But people w/o the cash will get dog hormones or ON Nutrition and do well. Then again, people with the cash will get human grade or KSN and blow the dog hormone/ON Nutrition users away...
u just confirmed that they are not value for money.
and bad comparison:
comparing two supplement company products.........with a a drug for animals and a drug for humans.
bad comparison buddy,
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Like I said, you can go on the cheap -- get yourself some dextrose/vitargo, aminos, creatine and mix it together. Get cheap, low quality products even. Mix them together yourself.
who said i have to get cheap ingredients? i will buy the best and mix it myself der-brain!
(picks up a pile of shit and throws it in garraeth's face)
"DON'T PISS DOWN MY BACK AND TELL ME ITS RAINING!"
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That's ur opinion, Duncan.
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who said i have to get cheap ingredients? i will buy the best and mix it myself der-brain!
Ok then, we already established that the BEST glutamine was $200 (US)/kilo.
Be my guest!
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I wouldn't drink that crap if it was free. I'd rather get my calories from good food.
Like urine but not crap?
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we've established that glutamine is a waste at any price. i'd like to see milos present a single study ever made that proves glutamine does anything - to anyone.
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we've established that glutamine is a waste at any price. i'd like to see milos present a single study ever made that proves glutamine does anything - to anyone.
*sigh*
So I picked out glutamine as my example...pick any of the other aminos. They're all in the $200/kilo range...
Or are they all a complete waste now?
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glutamine never did anything for me too.
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GLUTAMINE does not work orally im sure milos knows this he is an expert.
i never complained about the price! i complained about garraeth bullshitting me in his jusitification of the price.
milos is a business man and can price his products.
in my opinion as a consumer they are too expensive cos i take supplements year round.
if they are lowered in the future i will buy all three products.
if i save alot of money i might buy them anyway for one cycle (but i feel bad spending so much)
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*sigh*
So I picked out glutamine as my example...pick any of the other aminos. They're all in the $200/kilo range...
Or are they all a complete waste now?
i know your posts are :)
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who said i have to get cheap ingredients? i will buy the best and mix it myself der-brain!
(picks up a pile of shit and throws it in garraeth's face)
"DON'T PISS DOWN MY BACK AND TELL ME ITS RAINING!"
hahaha you pick up poop
would it be better if I pissed on your face and told you it was snowing?
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hahaha you pick up poop
would it be better if I pissed on your face and told you it was snowing?
do watever u wish, just dont bullshit me like garraet did! lol
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GLUTAMINE does not work orally im sure milos knows this he is an expert.
i never complained about the price! i complained about garraeth bullshitting me in his jusitification of the price.
milos is a business man and can price his products.
in my opinion as a consumer they are too expensive cos i take supplements year round.
if they are lowered in the future i will buy all three products.
if i save alot of money i might buy them anyway for one cycle (but i feel bad spending so much)
Step away from the weed...
Sentence #2 you say: "i never complained about the price!"
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Sentence #4 you say: "in my opinion as a consumer they are too expensive"
Sentence #5 you say: "if they are lowered in the future i will buy all three products."
Sentence #6 you say: "if i save alot of money i might buy them anyway"
And you say you were not complaining about price? Ok, so if it's not price (uh right) then why bitch about buying a $200 jug of [enter your choice of amino here]? Mr. Independently Wealthy eternal Duncan.
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Step away from the weed...
Sentence #2 you say: "i never complained about the price!"
Sentence #4 you say: "in my opinion as a consumer they are too expensive"
Sentence #5 you say: "if they are lowered in the future i will buy all three products."
Sentence #6 you say: "if i save alot of money i might buy them anyway"
And you say you were not complaining about price? Ok, so if it's not price (uh right) then why bitch about buying a $200 jug of [enter your choice of amino here]? Mr. Independently Wealthy eternal Duncan.
two reasons i contradicted myself-
1- i know the product works but i dont like the price (see where my conflict lies)
2- i felt like u were bullshiting me, but i felt like a prick by attacking.
this results in contradiction!
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two reasons i contradicted myself-
1- i know the product works but i dont like the price (see where my conflict lies)
2- i felt like u were bullshiting me, but i felt like a prick by attacking.
this results in contradiction!
hahaaha you have a conscience
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GLUTAMINE does not work orally im sure milos knows this he is an expert.
I always find it funny when people say an amino doesn't work orally. Since it's food, it generally goes in your MOUTH. Or do you people take it anally?
I seriously don't understand that...
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two reasons i contradicted myself-
1- i know the product works but i dont like the price (see where my conflict lies)
2- i felt like u were bullshiting me, but i felt like a prick by attacking.
this results in contradiction!
k, go home and figure it out.
Then come back to the internet cafe you're drinking all that rum at and post something intelligent.
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k, go home and figure it out.
Then come back to the internet cafe you're drinking all that rum at and post something intelligent.
ok i just did:
"FUCK YOU!"
and "GET MILOS' SALTY PROTEIN-ENRICHED CUM (I MEAN SOLUTION) OUT OF UR MOUTH!"
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I always find it funny when people say an amino doesn't work orally. Since it's food, it generally goes in your MOUTH. Or do you people take it anally?
I seriously don't understand that...
Ok, go home and figure it out.
Then come back to the internet cafe you're drinking all that rum at and post something intelligent.
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ok i just did:
"FUCK YOU!"
and "GET MILOS' SALTY PROTEIN-ENRICHED CUM (I MEAN SOLUTION) OUT OF UR MOUTH!"
meltdown
I won
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meltdown
I won
THIS GUY TAKES THE MILOS SHAKES WHEN HE JERKS OFF TO HIS GAY PORN:
BEFORE HE DOES IT, DURING, AND THEN AFTER.
WAT DID U WIN? U WON AN INTERNET SKIRMISH (IN UR MIND) BUT U LOST THE GAME OF LIFE...
"YOU LOSE"
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THIS GUY TAKES THE MILOS SHAKES WHEN HE JERKS OFF TO HIS GAY PORN:
BEFORE HE DOES IT, DURING, AND THEN AFTER.
WAT DID U WIN? U WON AN INTERNET SKIRMISH (IN UR MIND) BUT U LOST THE GAME OF LIFE...
"YOU LOSE"
hahahaaha dick licker 5 has broken, you're not cut out for getbig, go to bb.com or any other site, sissy. :D
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hahahaaha dick licker 5 has broken, you're not cut out for getbig, go to bb.com or any other site, sissy. :D
UR DAD IS MY BITCH.
FLEE PEASANT
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Buy Milos's drink, it says exactly what is in it on the back of the jug.
jt
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UR DAD IS MY BITCH.
FLEE PEASANT
hahahah you are into big fat hairy men, huh?
hahahah epic admittance of homosexuality HAHAHHAA ;D
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Wouldnt it be funny to see Ranalli,Weinberger, and Manion comming out in hand cuffs.In a IFBB scandal.The Feds are already looking into Weinberger for distributing steroids in his gym.A local Long Island doctor spilled the beans.Isnt he on discipline committee.Maybe the IFBB should suspend him like they did Milos.Being he is being fingered by the doctor.Hey no one is above the law and when the Feds show up at IFBB headquarters one day and remove boxes and boxes of evidence and records.Then evervone will have their day in court.The FEDS did it with Don King,they did it with the WWF,Balco,Enron,it goes on and on.The IFBB is not bigger than the Government.Weather they end up Guilty or innocent, I know one thing its going to hit them right in their pocket $$$$.And we all will have a good laugh
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I don't understand all the whining about the cost of Milos's products! When Muscletech introduced Anator P70 "muscle gene activator", I paid $89.99 for that crap. It tasted horrible and did absolutely nothing! I ended up throwing it out! Recently, I bought their new naNOVapor for $64.99...also a piece of garbage! Muscletech is a ripp-off brand! I have found over three dozen products in the market that cost equal to or MORE than KNS products...and they are all crap! KNS products are the first supplement's I've used that have delivered what they promise! When I train now, I not only have an insane pump, but unbelievable endurance as well. I've packed on over 10 pounds of muscle and dropped 3 inches off my waist in the last 60 days...and my metabolism is through the roof! Hell, with these kind of results, I'd gladly pay $100 per item!
Thank you Milos!!!
There you go...if it is nanotechologicly enhanced muscle gene activator which will use Krebs cycle's left pathway to vaporize right side of the dormant muscle fibers - people would buy it...and certainly getbig Einsteins..
Photo of Jay's half face/half scull is - priceless...
Well, you got me...
Yes,at KNS we don't have "sexy biochemistry story"...we have only a concept that we hope few will consider:
1) One must realize to start saturating blood with exact anabolic nutrients about 30 minutes BEFORE the workout (to be able to maximally benefit from increased blood flow to the muscle DURING the training. If you want to deliver something to the muscle do you think it is better to do it when 80% of your blood is in your muscles...or 15% - when you are resting?)
2) Than as training beggins and blood flow start "flying" into the muscle - continuing delivering more (I claim MAXIMAL DOSAGE NEEDED) of those anabolic nutrients which will indeed also cause maximal output of the anabolic hormones which will in fact - transport all the nutrients instantly where they are needed the most - (just emptied muscle cells... ;)).
Or...you should continue missing THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO GROW - as you are ignorant to realize that your muscles are overflowing in blood ONLY when you train?
Well, you use a lot of NO products which will do the same (or so you think) - deliver more blood to the muscle? Great!!!
The only problem you might consider is: good news-bad news thing...
Good news: you are indeed delivering MORE blood to the muscle!
Now the bad news: your blood is empty (worthless)! You did buy first class ticket for your whole family to fly to Hawaii on a vacation with one and only - Concord...Got there in the most comfortable, most efficient way - in the shortest time possible...just to realize as you are landing: your family seats are empty as you forgot to put your family in the plane :'(...Oh well, money and time well spent...Better luck next time. :-*
At KNS - we do fly you with royal-first class...and make sure your family is in their designed seats [thus - results do happen considerably faster...and maybe some of the rapid transformations of few athletes I have been working with should be a "little hint"...for sceptics...?] You can fly economy...if you wish...and if you are getbig "poor man" but with great manners - which come out every time you open your whole (I mean mouth)...you might even want to take a boat...and travel forever....enjoy scenery and fact that you are not being fooled by KNS/Milos BS drink with confusing concept that nobody could possibly comprehend - contrary to easy and "oh so logical" nano-vapor-anator-leukic-gakic-creakic-dormant....or kick that doormat...
Again, why build muscle today...when you can do it tomorrow (or should I say - next year?).
3) During the training continue sipping "anabolic bomb drink ;D" or maybe I should call it NANATOR- VAPOR /or something like that - to get the attention and approval/...to maintain levels of anabolic and anti-catabolic nutrients as well as levels of anabolic hormones (and I am not speaking of anabolic steroids - but naturally released anabolic hormones due to KNS supplementation system)
4) As you finish your workout - take our post-workout shake to complete the system...
But, I wasn't really 100% honest when I said that KNS supplements have "no secrets" behind it...
Using it long enough will turn you into UNSTOPABLE MUSCLE-MAKING MACHINE...capable of lifting 3 pink dumbbells with one hand...
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amino acids = pre-digested (in laboratory) protein
pre-digested (in laboratory) protein < protein digested in human gut.
dextrose + maltodextrin = high glycemic index carbs = sugar = can of cola
carbs from can of cola > carbs from serving of milos supplement
can of cola + high protein food > milos supplement
do the math
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"But, I wasn't really 100% honest when I said that KNS supplements have "no secrets" behind it...
Using it long enough will turn you into UNSTOPABLE MUSCLE-MAKING MACHINE...capable of lifting 3 pink dumbbells with one hand...
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I thought that you were anti lifting heavy weights? why the change in philosophy?
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amino acids = pre-digested (in laboratory) protein
pre-digested (in laboratory) protein < protein digested in human gut.
dextrose + maltodextrin = high glycemic index carbs = sugar = can of cola
carbs from can of cola > carbs from serving of milos supplement
can of cola + high protein food > milos supplement
do the math
true, but Milos promises that if you buy his over priced crap you will get a wife as hot as his
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"But, I wasn't really 100% honest when I said that KNS supplements have "no secrets" behind it...
Using it long enough will turn you into UNSTOPABLE MUSCLE-MAKING MACHINE...capable of lifting 3 pink dumbbells with one hand...
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I thought that you were anti lifting heavy weights? why the change in philosophy?
You thought wrong! (what a surprise ::)).
I have never been against lifting heavy weights...and thus - I don't change my philosophy.
If you didn't notice before (here on this board): I said I use MAXIMAL WEIGHT every time to complete (usually 10) repetitions of each and every exercise I chose for my giant sets...
Only as beyond powerful, not so "ego" training getbig tuff guys noticed "brutal" poundages my athletes and I use in our training - we have "Milos and his boys lift LIGHT...ba-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha...what a sissies!"
But, when offered to come to Koloseum and train with me and "my boys" somehow they always find the way to escape the challenge.
Steele - you want to come and show us what you got?
I promise - I will make sure "my hot wife" will be there so you can ask her - what the hell is she doing with me... ;)
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hint: food/food supplements DO NOT bypass human digestion milos and you know that very well, so quit with the disingenuous sarcasm.
this is why anabolic hormones are INJECTED, not taken into the gut.
when your blood becomes empty you die. ::)
it is a biological fact that you will have plenty of nutrients available in your blood for the purpose of building muscle if you have eaten a reasonably balanced diet prior to the workout. indeed you will have a more efficient nutrient supply to the muscles if your body doesn't have to send a quantity of that blood to the digestive system because you have been deluded into believing that it would be a good idea to consume food/food supplements 30 minutes prior to exercise.
with a balanced diet taken care of the contributing factors that govern anabolism have NOTHING to do with food/food supplements.
by all means, prove me wrong milos?
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amino acids = pre-digested (in laboratory) protein
pre-digested (in laboratory) protein < protein digested in human gut.
dextrose + maltodextrin = high glycemic index carbs = sugar = can of cola
carbs from can of cola > carbs from serving of milos supplement
can of cola + high protein food > milos supplement
do the math
Einstein = BEAST 8692!
Einstein...dead...thus his brain is also dead...thus very much equal to our BEAST!
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true, but Milos promises that if you buy his over priced crap you will get a wife as hot as his
You are crossing the line.
I will never promise something that I don't believe is possible.
My wife is one and only - and no women can ever be "as hot"...
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we've established that glutamine is a waste at any price. i'd like to see milos present a single study ever made that proves glutamine does anything - to anyone.
Would you like me to present a study that grass is green, sky is blue and you are - a moron?
I would have some trouble with first two...
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glutamine never did anything for me too.
Do you use it as a shampoo?
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true, but Milos promises that if you buy his over priced crap you will get a wife as hot as his
well first you have to scam a lot of people and make a lot of money off of them, then you can be like him.
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Step away from the weed...
Sentence #2 you say: "i never complained about the price!"
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Sentence #4 you say: "in my opinion as a consumer they are too expensive"
Sentence #5 you say: "if they are lowered in the future i will buy all three products."
Sentence #6 you say: "if i save alot of money i might buy them anyway"
And you say you were not complaining about price? Ok, so if it's not price (uh right) then why bitch about buying a $200 jug of [enter your choice of amino here]? Mr. Independently Wealthy eternal Duncan.
Why would you skip his ultimate stupidity - his Sentence #1: GLUTAMINE does not work orally im sure milos knows this he is an expert.
After reading that - you should know who you are dealing with...
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You thought wrong! (what a surprise ::)).
I have never been against lifting heavy weights...and thus - I don't change my philosophy.
If you didn't notice before (here on this board): I said I use MAXIMAL WEIGHT every time to complete (usually 10) repetitions of each and every exercise I chose for my giant sets...
Only as beyond powerful, not so "ego" training getbig tuff guys noticed "brutal" poundages my athletes and I use in our training - we have "Milos and his boys lift LIGHT...ba-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha...what a sissies!"
But, when offered to come to Koloseum and train with me and "my boys" somehow they always find the way to escape the challenge.
Steele - you want to come and show us what you got?
I promise - I will make sure "my hot wife" will be there so you can ask her - what the hell is she doing with me... ;)
I would love to train with you, and trust me you would not be impressed by my strength. For my size I have average strength, nothing special.
unfortunately you are on the west coast and I am in NY. The most appealing part of the proposal is getting a chance to meet your beautiful wife and asking here why is she wasting her youth with you..but I digress
Also I am natural, which is something you totally ignore these days..and as someone pointed out the last time that you were "clean" was the Carter Administration
I am waiting for the getbig discount on your products.
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You are crossing the line.
I will never promise something that I don't believe is possible.
My wife is one and only - and no women can ever be "as hot"...
what if I take double servings of your products and walk around in posing trunk practicing the mandatory poses. Even then I wouldn't be able to archieve success?
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Would you like me to present a study that grass is green, sky is blue and you are - a moron?
I would have some trouble with first two...
ive never seen you ONCE posting a single study about anything. i guess you dont care much about science?
you're saying the greatness with glutamine is as obvious as that the sky is blue? and im a moron for not taking your word for it (though every single study ever made on glutamine shows it doesnt do shit)
but ok let's play it that way.
coca-cola and peanut butter had me put on 30 pounds of mass in 6 months.
want proof? take my word for it.
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ive never seen you ONCE posting a single study about anything. i guess you dont care much about science?
you're saying the greatness with glutamine is as obvious as that the sky is blue? and im a moron for not taking your word for it (though every single study ever made on glutamine shows it doesnt do shit)
but ok let's play it that way.
coca-cola and peanut butter had me put on 30 pounds of mass in 6 months.
want proof? take my word for it.
Bluto...you are a piece euro fag shit..
you must be a monster
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Einstein = BEAST 8692!
thankyou milos, i'll take that as a compliment, but i see you have failed to prove me wrong.
high glycemic index carbohydrates may stimulate the human body's pancreas to release more insulin.
insulin is a hormone with anabolic properties (aswell as fat storing).
part of insulin's job is to increase the uptake of nutrients into the cells and this is the theory behind your product.
the thing is (and this is where you have been far too simplistic with your design) any potential insulin spike caused by the high glycemic index carbs in a serving will have long since passed by the time the amino acids (from that serving) have been completely digested and assimilated, so your theory is not sound in any case.
not to worry because the simple fact is that IF the potential insulin spike does occurr the amino acids that have already been assimilated, in a FAR better laboratory than any other in the world (a healthy human gut), will be transported to the muscle cells via your blood.
of course, this is all fine and well in theory, but fact is somewhat different, otherwise why would bodybuilders use insulin injections when they would be better off drinking sugars all day?
of course we all know how far that would get them, and ripped and huge couldn't be further from the reality. ;)
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Bluto...you are a piece euro fag shit..
you must be a monster
you can be a monster too, with my coca-cola-peanut butter coctail
only $100
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thankyou milos, i'll take that as a compliment, but i see you have failed to prove me wrong.
high glycemic index carbohydrates may stimulate the human body's pancreas to release more insulin.
insulin is a hormone with anabolic properties (aswell as fat storing).
part of insulin's job is to increase the uptake of nutrients into the cells and this is the theory behind your product.
the thing is (and this is where you have been far too simplistic with your design) any potential insulin spike caused by the high glycemic index carbs in a serving will have long since passed by the time the amino acids (from that serving) have been completely digested and assimilated, so your theory is not sound in any case.
not to worry because the simple fact is that IF the potential insulin spike does occurr the amino acids that have already been assimilated, in a FAR better laboratory than any other in the world (a healthy human gut), will be transported to the muscle cells via your blood.
of course, this is all fine and well in theory, but fact is somewhat different, otherwise why would bodybuilders use insulin injections when they would be better off drinking sugars all day?
of course we all know how far that would get them, and ripped and huge couldn't be further from the reality. ;)
why doesnt milos answer your questions beast ???
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why doesnt milos answer your questions beast ???
Why haven't you posted studies showing glutamine is useless?
Why haven't you posted a pic, you monster you. ::)
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why doesnt milos answer your questions beast ???
hmmm, i wonder...
seems to be a post whore when it suits his purpose but goes awhol when confronted with facts.
i guess he's right, he doesn't have to explain his fraudulent theory, because there are enough naive and foolish people out there to fall for it.
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Milos is also making a mistake when he says "insulin is the most anabolic hormone in the body". Raising insulin over basal levels does not increase protein synthesis! Insulin is only anti-catabolic!
His hypothesis that delivering nutrients during the workout, enhanced by the increased blood flow, increasing anabolism is very very theoretical. It's not a fact. I don't think that's a limiting factor in hypertrophy - the lack of nutrient delivery DURING the workout. It may or may not be beneficial but any benefit is probably minute. That's my guess.
In fact, some protein researchers have said that timing of protein has very small effects, which would take years to be measurable.
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Why haven't you posted studies showing glutamine is useless?
Why haven't you posted a pic, you monster you. ::)
it's common knowledge
there's dozens of studies, all showing the same thing - it's useless
and when milos claims it isnt he goes against science and all those studies - makes you wonder if we can believe anything he says
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Why haven't you posted studies showing glutamine is useless?
Why haven't you posted a pic, you monster you. ::)
i'd love to see conclusive and unbiased studies showing glutamine is useful? :D
i would have thought it would be more important to prove a product's effectiveness, rather than it's ineffectiveness. afterall, i doubt anyone is going to purchase the product for it's ineffectiveness ???
oh, hang on, maybe i'm expecting too much common sense here, hey milos?
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i'd love to see conclusive and unbiased studies showing glutamine is useful? :D
i would have thought it would be more important to prove a product's effectiveness, rather than it's ineffectiveness. afterall, i doubt anyone is going to purchase the product for it's ineffectiveness ???
oh, hang on, maybe i'm expecting too much common sense here, hey milos?
never mind chaos. he's just using any opportunity he can to take a shot at me
and as always, ends up shooting himself in the foot
guy is a racist retard.
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i'd love to see conclusive and unbiased studies showing glutamine is useful? :D
i would have thought it would be more important to prove a product's effectiveness, rather than it's ineffectiveness. afterall, i doubt anyone is going to purchase the product for it's ineffectiveness ???
oh, hang on, maybe i'm expecting too much common sense here, hey milos?
Well I'm asking you guys to post some of these studies, proving they are useless. After all he says it's useful, prove him wrong, can you?
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never mind chaos. he's just using any opportunity he can to take a shot at me
and as always, ends up shooting himself in the foot
guy is a racist retard.
what does racism have to do with you opening your big fat musclebear loving mouth, again? Just post some of these studies you are always going on about.
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Well I'm asking you guys to post some of these studies, proving they are useless. After all he says it's useful, prove him wrong, can you?
The addition of glutamine to a CHO + EAA beverage had no effect on post-exercise muscle glycogen resynthesis or muscle protein synthesis.
Appl Physiol Nutr Metab. 2006 Oct;31(5):518-29.
It is concluded that ingestion of a glutamine/carbohydrate mixture does not increase the rate of glycogen resynthesis in muscle. Glycogen resynthesis rates were higher, although not statistically significant, after ingestion of the drink containing the wheat and whey protein hydrolysate compared to ingestion of the control and free glutamine drinks.
Int J Sports Med. 2000 Jan;21(1):25-30.
We conclude that glutamine supplementation during resistance training has no significant effect on muscle performance, body composition or muscle protein degradation in young healthy adults.
Eur J Appl Physiol. 2001 Dec;86(2):142-9.
These data indicate that the short-term ingestion of glutamine does not enhance weightlifting performance in resistance-trained men.
J Strength Cond Res. 2002 Feb;16(1):157-60.
We conclude that intravenous infusion of amino acids increases the fractional rate of mixed muscle protein synthesis, but addition of glutamine to the amino acid mixture does not further stimulate muscle protein synthesis rate in healthy young men and women.
Metabolism. 2000 Dec;49(12):1555-60.
lemme know if you want more...
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The addition of glutamine to a CHO + EAA beverage had no effect on post-exercise muscle glycogen resynthesis or muscle protein synthesis.
Appl Physiol Nutr Metab. 2006 Oct;31(5):518-29.
It is concluded that ingestion of a glutamine/carbohydrate mixture does not increase the rate of glycogen resynthesis in muscle. Glycogen resynthesis rates were higher, although not statistically significant, after ingestion of the drink containing the wheat and whey protein hydrolysate compared to ingestion of the control and free glutamine drinks.
Int J Sports Med. 2000 Jan;21(1):25-30.
We conclude that glutamine supplementation during resistance training has no significant effect on muscle performance, body composition or muscle protein degradation in young healthy adults.
Eur J Appl Physiol. 2001 Dec;86(2):142-9.
These data indicate that the short-term ingestion of glutamine does not enhance weightlifting performance in resistance-trained men.
J Strength Cond Res. 2002 Feb;16(1):157-60.
We conclude that intravenous infusion of amino acids increases the fractional rate of mixed muscle protein synthesis, but addition of glutamine to the amino acid mixture does not further stimulate muscle protein synthesis rate in healthy young men and women.
Metabolism. 2000 Dec;49(12):1555-60.
lemme know if you want more...
you have any actual links where someone could read the whole study, or are we to believe a guy who spends 14+hours a day on getbig and won't post a pic?
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you have any actual links where someone could read the whole study, or are we to believe a guy who spends 14+hours a day on getbig and won't post a pic?
haha keep owning yourself idiot
which study you want?
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haha keep owning yourself idiot
which study you want?
so asking questions makes me an idiot ???
I want a link to a study that you posted, you fat euro-fag. any one.
And I also want to see a pic of the she-beast bluto ::)
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you have any actual links where someone could read the whole study, or are we to believe a guy who spends 14+hours a day on getbig and won't post a pic?
good god, you really are thick aren't you?
you see the reference points bluto has quoted at the end of each paragraph? :D
well, they would be the actual verification that the facts come from valid sources other than bluto. ;)
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so asking questions makes me an idiot ???
I want a link to a study that you posted, you fat euro-fag. any one.
And I also want to see a pic of the she-beast bluto ::)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=17111006&ordinalpos=10&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
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good god, you really are thick aren't you?
you see the reference points bluto has quoted at the end of each paragraph? :D
well, they would be the actual verification that the facts come from valid sources other than bluto. ;)
OH I didn't realize how important those were.
BEAST 8692 is a fucking moron with no balls LAs finest 2007 July;15(7):375-30
is that an actual verification that the facts come from a valid source other than me?
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ok
now that poor chaos has got himself completely pawned, perhaps milos could come back and produce a single fact to support his theory, seeing as he is basically selling sugar (the only efective component of his concoction) at about $15- u.s a table spoon. :-[
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ok
now that poor chaos has got himself completely pawned, perhaps milos could come back and produce a single fact to support his theory, seeing as he is basically selling sugar (the only efective component of his concoction) at about $15- u.s a table spoon. :-[
i hope so. but milos doesnt seem very interesting in discussing - he post a lot, so the time isnt a factor.
my thread about his training went on to 11 pages and still not a single post why he trains the way he does or how it compares to other training theories.
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ok now that chaos has read Blutos link........
you're comparing 90 min of cycling at 65% peak, to working out with weights.
There is no difference is there ::)
and these tests were taken with a 3 hour recovery, hardly a long term test
last line in study:
but may suppress a rise in whole-body proteolysis during the later stages of recovery.
Any more links? or is this it? Anybody else have any links showing how useless glutamine is? I am really interestwed in this, regardless what Blewtoomany and beastility with 8692 dogs say.
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Milos is also making a mistake when he says "insulin is the most anabolic hormone in the body". Raising insulin over basal levels does not increase protein synthesis! Insulin is only anti-catabolic!
His hypothesis that delivering nutrients during the workout, enhanced by the increased blood flow, increasing anabolism is very very theoretical. It's not a fact. I don't think that's a limiting factor in hypertrophy - the lack of nutrient delivery DURING the workout. It may or may not be beneficial but any benefit is probably minute. That's my guess.
In fact, some protein researchers have said that timing of protein has very small effects, which would take years to be measurable.
It is great to see ignorant people wanting to give "matter of facts"...
I do not have TIME to argue with "kindergarten professors of physiology and biochemistry" and I would not even try...
Birds on the tree know that insulin dependent patients would go into 'cellular death' as in absence of insulin all the important nutrients would not be able to enter the cells - as TRANSPORTER - Insulin is simply not there...
Anti-catabolism is off course PREVENTING A BREAKDOWN...while anabolism is - BUILDING...synthesising new...
Let see: transporter into the cells prevents loss (saves? thus is anti catabolic?) or stores, builds new (thus is anabolic?)...
I said what I had for my getbig fans...now is the time to do something that is actually productive...
See you guys later...much later.
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good ol "i dont have time"-excuse
after 2420 posts ::)
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how about this one?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=17097772&ordinalpos=8&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
CONCLUSIONS: In a model of mild, stress-induced protein catabolism, depletion of plasma glutamine per se may worsen branched chain amino acid and protein wasting.
???
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I don't understand all the whining about the cost of Milos's products! When Muscletech introduced Anator P70 "muscle gene activator", I paid $89.99 for that crap. It tasted horrible and did absoutely nothing! I ended up throwing it out! Recently, I bought their new naNOVapor for $64.99...also a piece of garbage! Muscletech is a ripp-off brand! I have found over three dozen products in the market that cost equal to or MORE than KNS products...and they are all crap! KNS products are the first supplement's I've used that have delivered what they promise! When I train now, I not only have an insane pump, but unbelievable endurance as well. I've packed on over 10 pounds of muscle and dropped 3 inches off my waist in the last 60 days...and my metabolism is through the roof! Hell, with these kind of results, I'd gladly pay $100 per item!
Thank you Milos!!!
Of course, you know why certain posters are doing all this complaining. It's all about the grand conspiracy from those evil supplement companies ;D !
I've found that a little patience is all that's needed to try out fairly new supplements at a decent price. I waited until GNC has it's "Buy one; get one 50% off sale" before trying Anator P-70. I got two jugs for the price you paid for one.
You're right about the taste, though. It's terrible, especially the "Berry Blast". The only way I could consume it was to mix it with my regular protein powder and CELL-TECH. That's bearable, IF you use the "Orange Cooler" version of Anator P-70.
If you're happy with the results from Milos' supplements and it's within your budget, then it's definitely worth the price. But, who knows, three to six months from now, he may lower the price or have some sort of sale.
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ok now that chaos has read Blutos link........
you're comparing 90 min of cycling at 65% peak, to working out with weights.
There is no difference is there ::)
and these tests were taken with a 3 hour recovery, hardly a long term test
last line in study:
but may suppress a rise in whole-body proteolysis during the later stages of recovery.
Any more links? or is this it? Anybody else have any links showing how useless glutamine is? I am really interestwed in this, regardless what Blewtoomany and beastility with 8692 dogs say.
all my examples are of actual studies. just go look em up. if you know how to use the internet.
the fact of the matter is - there's so many studies coming to the same conclusion that glutamine is worthless that you need to have a strong case to claim otherwise.
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ive never seen you ONCE posting a single study about anything. i guess you dont care much about science?
you're saying the greatness with glutamine is as obvious as that the sky is blue? and im a moron for not taking your word for it (though every single study ever made on glutamine shows it doesnt do shit)
but ok let's play it that way.
coca-cola and peanut butter had me put on 30 pounds of mass in 6 months.
want proof? take my word for it.
Bluto - I have more studies saved and books read that you would collect in the lifetime...and indeed I do show them and share them with people who's opinions and knowledge I respect - and those who deserve to know...
You can continue trying to provoke my response...and see what happens.
I really cannot wait just to tell you something and prove YOU that I am right...just as we all know what colors we see when we look at sky or grass...
I was being nice for a while...but there is the time when one must realize that speaking with the fools for prolonged period of time - can make you become one...
Enjoy ignorance...what you don't know - can't hurt you...or...maybe it can...after all.
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It is great to see ignorant people wanting to give "matter of facts"...
I do not have TIME to argue with "kindergarten professors of physiology and biochemistry" and I would not even try...
Birds on the tree know that insulin dependent patients would go into 'cellular death' as in absence of insulin all the important nutrients would not be able to enter the cells - as TRANSPORTER - Insulin is simply not there...
Anti-catabolism is off course PREVENTING A BREAKDOWN...while anabolism is - BUILDING...synthesising new...
Let see: transporter into the cells prevents loss (saves? thus is anti catabolic?) or stores, builds new (thus is anabolic?)...
I said what I had for my getbig fans...now is the time to do something that is actually productive...
See you guys later...much later.
hahaha
is that the best you can do milos? ::)
yes, we all know insulin is an important hormone milos and that people that cannot produce insulin can become very sick and deprived of nutrients.
unfortunately, you are not selling this product to people who can't produce their own insulin. ;)
of course, if you were you would go out of business in a huge way very quickly, because people that can't produce their own insulin use a far far superior product called...wait for it...INSULIN!
you see, biochemists and drug manufacturers already know that you CAN NOT MIMIC THE EFFECTS OF INSULIN WITH A FOOD/FOOD SUPPLEMENT.
but you run away now dear milos with your tail between your legs. don't want to stay and debate this point with actual facts and completely negating any possible remaining credibility you might have.
btw, where's that evidence of chua's corruption you were going to confound us all with right here on getbig. ;D
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all my examples are of actual studies. just go look em up. if you know how to use the internet.
the fact of the matter is - there's so many studies coming to the same conclusion that glutamine is worthless that you need to have a strong case to claim otherwise.
That particualar study was about cycling and was tested 3 hours after, how is that comparable to lifting weights and taking in glutamine during the action?
also did you read the link I posted? from the same sight
"depletion of plasma glutamine may worsen BCAA and protein wasting"
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It is great to see ignorant people wanting to give "matter of facts"...
I do not have TIME to argue with "kindergarten professors of physiology and biochemistry" and I would not even try...
Birds on the tree know that insulin dependent patients would go into 'cellular death' as in absence of insulin all the important nutrients would not be able to enter the cells - as TRANSPORTER - Insulin is simply not there...
Anti-catabolism is off course PREVENTING A BREAKDOWN...while anabolism is - BUILDING...synthesising new...
Let see: transporter into the cells prevents loss (saves? thus is anti catabolic?) or stores, builds new (thus is anabolic?)...
I said what I had for my getbig fans...now is the time to do something that is actually productive...
See you guys later...much later.
If you were less arrogant maybe you would learn something, even from internet morons like me.
It's you who is acting like a professor, meanwhile not really doing much research. You think supplying aminos during the workout will make you grow much faster and that lack of insulin/aminos during the workout is a limiting factor in hypertrophy. That's a wild leap of faith IMO.
How come you didn't mention the injectable insulin on PBW? You said your shakes were responsible for the results in your clients. That's dishonest.
Yes, ajimoto aminos and dextrose were the "million dollar secret" you gave to Nasser. ::)
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why doesnt milos answer your questions beast ???
Same reason as I don't answer your questions either.
My nine year old knows more than both of you...but - I will let you enjoy yourself reading internet studies...
Maybe, just maybe you should start with some text books of physiology, biology, anatomy and biochemistry...to learn at least - BASICS...and when you do - please come to see me - so we can have decent conversation.
Try even with my next seminar.
I will give you a chance to question me UP AND DOWN - any question you might have...and indeed I will give you BACK UP on everything I say - with studies and hundreds of books I have in my office...
Until than - try to be honest to yourself and ask: how much do you really know about the subject?
I can tell you: very, very....VERY little. (if anything at all?)
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That particualar study was about cycling and was tested 3 hours after, how is that comparable to lifting weights and taking in glutamine during the action?
also did you read the link I posted? from the same sight
"depletion of plasma glutamine may worsen BCAA and protein wasting"
chaos, go ahead and use your glutamine because fraudsters like milos tell you it works (at only 20 dollars a serve or whatever it is). i'm sure you'll get rteally big muscles from using it.
don't forget to eat whole jars of peanut butter with it. you'll be amazed at how big you get.
don't worry that your fat gut will protrude further than your chest. that's all part of the synergism of glutamine and sugar. ;)
don't worry that NOT ONE SINGLE APPROVED STUDY CONFIRMS IT'S USEFULNESS. afterall there's only been about 50 studies that prove the opposite and you've got money to waste. :D
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hahaha
is that the best you can do milos? ::)
yes, we all know insulin is an important hormone milos and that people that cannot produce insulin can become very sick and deprived of nutrients.
unfortunately, you are not selling this product to people who can't produce their own insulin. ;)
of course, if you were you would go out of business in a huge way very quickly, because people that can't produce their own insulin use a far far superior product called...wait for it...INSULIN!
you see, biochemists and drug manufacturers already know that you CAN NOT MIMIC THE EFFECTS OF INSULIN WITH A FOOD/FOOD SUPPLEMENT.
but you run away now dear milos with your tail between your legs. don't want to stay and debate this point with actual facts and completely any possible remaining credibility you might have.
btw, where's that evidence of chua's corruption you were going to confound us all with right here on getbig. ;D
quoted for relevence.
don't bother answering my questions milos. you've got nothing and you know it. ;)
of course, if you had you would take great delight in providing it, as opposed to conversations about 9 yr old daughters and blue skies and green grass. ;D
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chaos, go ahead and use your glutamine because fraudsters like milos tell you it works (at only 20 dollars a serve or whatever it is). i'm sure you'll get rteally big muscles from using it.
don't forget to eat whole jars of peanut butter with it. you'll be amazed at how big you get.
don't worry that your fat gut will protrude further than your chest. that's all part of the synergism of glutamine and sugar. ;)
don't worry that NOT ONE SINGLE APPROVED STUDY CONFIRMS IT'S USEFULNESS. afterall there's only been about 50 studies that prove the opposite and you've got money to waste. :D
like I asked Bluto, you moron, post 1 link showing it is useless, I posted a link showing that a depletion of glutamine may worsen BCAA and protein wasting. So according to that study in laymans terms if you have glutamine in the blood stream you will waste less protein and BCAA's. so how is glutamine useless?
Again, you talk shit but no study to back it up, at least Bluto posted a study, you posted nothing but shit, glutamine is more useful than your posts, that's for sure ::)
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chaos, go ahead and use your glutamine because fraudsters like milos tell you it works (at only 20 dollars a serve or whatever it is). i'm sure you'll get rteally big muscles from using it.
don't forget to eat whole jars of peanut butter with it. you'll be amazed at how big you get.
don't worry that your fat gut will protrude further than your chest. that's all part of the synergism of glutamine and sugar. ;)
don't worry that NOT ONE SINGLE APPROVED STUDY CONFIRMS IT'S USEFULNESS. afterall there's only been about 50 studies that prove the opposite and you've got money to waste. :D
It will be a waste.......IF Chaos decides to go bike-riding for an hour and a half. ;D
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If you were less arrogant maybe you would learn something, even from internet morons like me.
It's you who is acting like a professor, meanwhile not really doing much research. You think supplying aminos during the workout will make you grow much faster and that lack of insulin/aminos during the workout is a limiting factor in hypertrophy. That's a wild leap of faith IMO.
How come you didn't mention the injectable insulin on PBW? You said your shakes were responsible for the results in your clients. That's dishonest.
Yes, ajimoto aminos and dextrose were the "million dollar secret" you gave to Nasser. ::)
1- We all know why I didn't mention INSULIN on radio...
2- I mentioned numerous times - YES I AM responsible for insulin usage among the pros
3- Many of my clients WOULD NOT take insulin...and we can easily create similar hyper-insulinemic state WITHOUT injectable insulin...and numerous clients that I have prefer that anyway. My two friends from Malaysia are TWO BEST EXAMPLES what drug free bodybuilders can accomplish when they know what theyare doing...
4- Not speaking about research doesn't mean I don't research - I chose NOT to share my research with too many UNDESERVING people...
5- Indeed:"supplying aminos during the workout will make you grow much faster and that lack of insulin/aminos during the workout is a limiting factor in hypertrophy" - that's what I claim. ;)
6- "You said your shakes were responsible for the results in your clients. That's dishonest" - DRINKS are responsible - WITH or WITHOUT addition of insulin!
Hope this helps...as I do have to go...My beautiful wife and daughter are waiting for me...and forgive me by making a right choice and leaving you guys in your own misery...
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like I asked Bluto, you moron, post 1 link showing it is useless, I posted a link showing that a depletion of glutamine may worsen BCAA and protein wasting. So according to that study in laymans terms if you have glutamine in the blood stream you will waste less protein and BCAA's. so how is glutamine useless?
Again, you talk shit but no study to back it up, at least Bluto posted a study, you posted nothing but shit, glutamine is more useful than your posts, that's for sure ::)
now why would i waste my time doing that. i'm not trying to save you money. i have told you to go and buy that glutamine.
oh, btw, i like the way you have interpreted 'may' as 'will'.
if you can't even comprehend one sentence right why would i imagine that me providing you with several paragraphs of material would do anything but leave you completely bewildered.
in layman's terms, your poor little mind doesn't need the abuse chaos.
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Milos, have you ever taken blood pressure medication?
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Man sometimes I can't believe the disrespect Milos gets on this board.
The man is a legend! He's competed in over 70 pro shows and is
producing some amazing athletes right now. And guys have the balls
to tell him that he knows nothing! Please give me a break, 95% of
the guys on this board are probably 150 pounds living at their mommy
and daddy house, working at macdonalds acting like their mr olympia.
Give the man respect he's a legend.
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hahaha
is that the best you can do milos? ::)
yes, we all know insulin is an important hormone milos and that people that cannot produce insulin can become very sick and deprived of nutrients.
unfortunately, you are not selling this product to people who can't produce their own insulin. ;)
of course, if you were you would go out of business in a huge way very quickly, because people that can't produce their own insulin use a far far superior product called...wait for it...INSULIN!
you see, biochemists and drug manufacturers already know that you CAN NOT MIMIC THE EFFECTS OF INSULIN WITH A FOOD/FOOD SUPPLEMENT.
but you run away now dear milos with your tail between your legs. don't want to stay and debate this point with actual facts and completely negating any possible remaining credibility you might have.
btw, where's that evidence of chua's corruption you were going to confound us all with right here on getbig. ;D
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now why would i waste my time doing that. i'm not trying to save you money. i have told you to go and buy that glutamine.
oh, btw, i like the way you have interpreted 'may' as 'will'.
if you can't even comprehend one sentence right why would i imagine that me providing you with several paragraphs of material would do anything but leave you completely bewildered.
in layman's terms, your poor little mind doesn't need the abuse chaos.
it's not about saving me money, asswipe, it's about backing up what you say.
which you have done none of. You accuse Milos of not answering your questions, yet you can't answer one of mine.
Can anyone post a link that shows glutamine is a useless supplement for people who work out with weights?
Apparently they are so common BEAST 8692's computer is overflowing with them, yet mysteriously, he can't post a single link to what is relative to a person that works out with weights.
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Bluto - I have more studies saved and books read that you would collect in the lifetime...and indeed I do show them and share them with people who's opinions and knowledge I respect - and those who deserve to know...
You can continue trying to provoke my response...and see what happens.
I really cannot wait just to tell you something and prove YOU that I am right...just as we all know what colors we see when we look at sky or grass...
I was being nice for a while...but there is the time when one must realize that speaking with the fools for prolonged period of time - can make you become one...
Enjoy ignorance...what you don't know - can't hurt you...or...maybe it can...after all.
The only thing buying worthless Glutamine for example would hurt is my wallet.
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That particualar study was about cycling and was tested 3 hours after, how is that comparable to lifting weights and taking in glutamine during the action?
also did you read the link I posted? from the same sight
"depletion of plasma glutamine may worsen BCAA and protein wasting"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11822473&dopt=Abstract
Effect of glutamine supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults.
Candow DG, Chilibeck PD, Burke DG, Davison KS, Smith-Palmer T.
College of Kinesiology, University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada.
The purpose of this study was to assess the effect of oral glutamine supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults. A group of 31 subjects, aged 18-24 years, were randomly allocated to groups (double blind) to receive either glutamine (0.9 g x kg lean tissue mass(-1) x day(-1); n = 17) or a placebo (0.9 g maltodextrin x kg lean tissue mass(-1) x day(-1); n = 14 during 6 weeks of total body resistance training. Exercises were performed for four to five sets of 6-12 repetitions at intensities ranging from 60% to 90% 1 repetition maximum (1 RM). Before and after training, measurements were taken of 1 RM squat and bench press strength, peak knee extension torque (using an isokinetic dynamometer), lean tissue mass (dual energy X-ray absorptiometry) and muscle protein degradation (urinary 3-methylhistidine by high performance liquid chromatography). Repeated measures ANOVA showed that strength, torque, lean tissue mass and 3-methylhistidine increased with training (P < 0.05), with no significant difference between groups. Both groups increased their 1 RM squat by approximately 30% and 1 RM bench press by approximately 14%. The glutamine group showed increases of 6% for knee extension torque, 2% for lean tissue mass and 41% for urinary levels of 3-methylhistidine. The placebo group increased knee extension torque by 5%, lean tissue mass by 1.7% and 3-methylhistidine by 56%. We conclude that glutamine supplementation during resistance training has no significant effect on muscle performance, body composition or muscle protein degradation in young healthy adults.
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it's not about saving me money, asswipe, it's about backing up what you say.
which you have done none of. You accuse Milos of not answering your questions, yet you can't answer one of mine.
Can anyone post a link that shows glutamine is a useless supplement for people who work out with weights?
Apparently they are so common BEAST 8692's computer is overflowing with them, yet mysteriously, he can't post a single link to what is relative to a person that works out with weights.
link posted.
now shut the fuck up and go back to post racist threads you inbred trailer park trash redneck
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it's not about saving me money, asswipe, it's about backing up what you say.
which you have done none of. You accuse Milos of not answering your questions, yet you can't answer one of mine.
Can anyone post a link that shows glutamine is a useless supplement for people who work out with weights?
Apparently they are so common BEAST 8692's computer is overflowing with them, yet mysteriously, he can't post a single link to what is relative to a person that works out with weights.
Exactly how much glutamine were the subject taking, anyway? It certainly wouldn't be the first time someone used a study to claim that a supplement was worthless, only to find that, in that study, the subjects took a pitifully small amount of the supplement in question.
Don't worry, Chaos. As long as you stay off that bike, you should be alright.
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Same reason as I don't answer your questions either.
My nine year old knows more than both of you...but - I will let you enjoy yourself reading internet studies...
Maybe, just maybe you should start with some text books of physiology, biology, anatomy and biochemistry...to learn at least - BASICS...and when you do - please come to see me - so we can have decent conversation.
Try even with my next seminar.
I will give you a chance to question me UP AND DOWN - any question you might have...and indeed I will give you BACK UP on everything I say - with studies and hundreds of books I have in my office...
Until than - try to be honest to yourself and ask: how much do you really know about the subject?
I can tell you: very, very....VERY little. (if anything at all?)
theyre not internet studies. theyre real life scientific studies where the result has been posted on the internet. big difference.
i dont know how you gonna back up what you say. to my knowledge there hasnt been any studies on amino acids effects taken DURING training.
so all we got is your theory.
but since you also claim glutamine is wonderful (why otherwise would you include it in your products) it makes one wonder how much you really DO know since in that case, it's proven it adds nothing of value.
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Man sometimes I can't believe the disrespect Milos gets on this board.
The man is a legend! He's competed in over 70 pro shows and is
producing some amazing athletes right now. And guys have the balls
to tell him that he knows nothing! Please give me a break, 95% of
the guys on this board are probably 150 pounds living at their mommy
and daddy house, working at macdonalds acting like their mr olympia.
Give the man respect he's a legend.
cant speak for others, but ive never said he knows nothing. milos knows a lot and i think it's great that he posts here.
take it easy tiger, it aint that serious.
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link posted.
now shut the fuck up and go back to post racist threads you inbred trailer park trash redneck
hey thanks for posting a study that shows there was a difference using glutamine, only 1%, but that is glutamine alone and we are talking in conjunction with other BCAA's. The study I posted says without glutamine the other BCAA's and protien may be wasted.
And insults from some piece of shit too scared to post his pic after 20,000+ posts are absolutely useless. Are you mad America wouldn't let you in? euro-fag.
Don't worry MCWAY, the only bike I've been on lately has 125hp :D
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hey thanks for posting a study that shows there was a difference using glutamine, only 1%, but that is glutamine alone and we are talking in conjunction with other BCAA's. The study I posted says without glutamine the other BCAA's and protien may be wasted.
And insults from some piece of shit too scared to post his pic after 20,000+ posts are absolutely useless. Are you mad America wouldn't let you in? euro-fag.
Don't worry MCWAY, the only bike I've been on lately has 125hp :D
whats a euro fag? youre the nazi, dont you know where white americans originate from? american history x lessons for you
whats your missing photo or mine gotta do with anything?
i guess you me both are scared to post our pic, along with mos, always sore and a few other thousands members on here ::)
great point champ.
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Exactly how much glutamine were the subject taking, anyway? It certainly wouldn't be the first time someone used a study to claim that a supplement was worthless, only to find that, in that study, the subjects took a pitifully small amount of the supplement in question.
Don't worry, Chaos. As long as you stay off that bike, you should be alright.
here's a study that might be interesting
The effects of high-dose glutamine ingestion on weightlifting performance.
Antonio J, Sanders MS, Kalman D, Woodgate D, Street C.
Sports Science Laboratory, University of Delaware, Newark, Delaware 19716, USA.
The purpose of this study was to determine if high-dose glutamine ingestion affected weightlifting performance. In a double-blind, placebo-controlled, crossover study, 6 resistance-trained men (mean +/- SE: age, 21.5 +/- 0.3 years; weight, 76.5 +/- 2.8 kg(-1)) performed weightlifting exercises after the ingestion of glutamine or glycine (0.3 g x kg(-1)) mixed with calorie-free fruit juice or placebo (calorie-free fruit juice only). Each subject underwent each of the 3 treatments in a randomized order. One hour after ingestion, subjects performed 4 total sets of exercise to momentary muscular failure (2 sets of leg presses at 200% of body weight, 2 sets of bench presses at 100% of body weight). There were no differences in the average number of maximal repetitions performed in the leg press or bench press exercises among the 3 groups. These data indicate that the short-term ingestion of glutamine does not enhance weightlifting performance in resistance-trained men.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11834123&dopt=Abstract
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wow, more short term studies ::)
you post like you think you know everything, so you should post your pic so we can see what is giving out all this great advice ::)
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wow, more short term studies ::)
you post like you think you know everything, so you should post your pic so we can see what is giving out all this great advice ::)
well you can object to any study, too short, too long, not enough of this, not combined with that or whatever. but bottom line is there doesnt seem to be a very strong case FOR glutamine. so i have no reason to believe in it. and i cant see why anyone else would either.
IF it works miracles - and there's a number of studies either proving that, or heading in that direction that would be great. im all for supplements that actually can be a benefit.
as for milos drink, i havent really commented on it. others have. and i dont know what you mean with giving out advice. i havent. but if you refer to glutamine, it does look like money could be put to better use elsewhere. im sure as hell not buying any any time soon.
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well you can object to any study, too short, too long, not enough of this, not combined with that or whatever. but bottom line is there doesnt seem to be a very strong case FOR glutamine. so i have no reason to believe in it. and i cant see why anyone else would either.
IF it works miracles - and there's a number of studies either proving that, or heading in that direction that would be great. im all for supplements that actually can be a benefit.
as for milos drink, i havent really commented on it. others have. and i dont know what you mean with giving out advice. i havent. but if you refer to glutamine, it does look like money could be put to better use elsewhere. im sure as hell not buying any any time soon.
your first posted study was a good example at least it was 6 weeks. I'm not making any claims about glutamine alone, from the studies I've read on that site you posted, it seems to me glutamine is more beneficial with other BCAA's and protein than alone. That's what i was pointing out in your second study, they only supplemented with glutamine. So glutamine alone is not a significant amino, great, it did still show improvement, just not significant.
Now mixed with the BCAA's and protein, is it beneficial?
How beneficial are any of the other BCAA's when taken alone?
I'm asking because isn't the possibility there that these BCAA's need to work together and seperately their worth is questionable?
Oh, yeah, up yours you uppity euro-fag negro.
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Milos... I am kind of neutral on the whole 'buying your supplements or making my own'. I would want to try your line but I can only afford one jug at a time. Which shake (pre, during, and post-workout shakes) would you recommend if I were to only buy one.... Are any of them more important than the other? If so which is the most important to maximize one's growth. I figure I'll give it a try because as much as the haters will disagree, you sound like you know what your talking about. Thanks
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milos,
if someone just used the post-workout powder and added their own protien to it.
how much of a difference can we see in our results over time? will it be a visible results in ur opinion if we do everything else right (eat, train, etc)?
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2) Than as training beggins and blood flow start "flying" into the muscle - continuing delivering more (I claim MAXIMAL DOSAGE NEEDED) of those anabolic nutrients which will indeed also cause maximal output of the anabolic hormones which will in fact - transport all the nutrients instantly where they are needed the most - (just emptied muscle cells... ;)).
Or...you should continue missing THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO GROW - as you are ignorant to realize that your muscles are overflowing in blood ONLY when you train?
does this apply for those that practice mike mentzer's h.i.t? my workouts only last 17-20 minutes with 4-5 sets per workout?
please let me know.
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does this apply for those that practice mike mentzer's h.i.t? my workouts only last 17-20 minutes with 4-5 sets per workout?
please let me know.
20 / 4 = 5 min per set
figure that a set is probably 1 min long..you rest for 4 min?
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I tried the drink and this happened :o Now what :'(
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I tried the drink and this happened :o Now what :'(
terrible way to reveal your true identity :-X
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20 / 4 = 5 min per set
figure that a set is probably 1 min long..you rest for 4 min?
i do alot of negative work, and i have no training partner, so time is wasted for example:
on incline bench - i reach positive failure. then do a negative and rack the weight. remove the weight, take it to the top position, put the weight on again, and lower it in negative form. thats just one rep. i repeat that several times so that i have done about 4 negatives.
i do the same on hack squats. after normal failure. do a negative. remove the weight,put machine back to starting position, add the weight again and then do more negatives.
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MILOS!
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Milos... I am kind of neutral on the whole 'buying your supplements or making my own'. I would want to try your line but I can only afford one jug at a time. Which shake (pre, during, and post-workout shakes) would you recommend if I were to only buy one.... Are any of them more important than the other? If so which is the most important to maximize one's growth. I figure I'll give it a try because as much as the haters will disagree, you sound like you know what your talking about. Thanks
PRELOAD + XXPLODE are absolutely necessary and dependent of each other...RELOAD is also special and important but in all honesty THAT ONE could be replaced with post workout shakes of anyone's choice.
PRELOAD should be taken 30 minutes before training - to start "blood saturation" of EXACT nutrients I would reccomend and XXPLOAD will continue delivering more nutrients during the workout as well as transport them into the cells of the working muscle - if used as directed (couple of sips after each set...or rather GIANT SET ;))
Again - as much as most of you think that I am typical salesman - I am not.
Certainly when I started taking advantage of increased blood flow to the muscle - I also started with several logical choices of supplements available on the market...
Reading the research - TONS OF research - which I will have to reference when the time comes...Experimenting and comparing different formulations on myself and numerous others I was improving the formula for almost a decade...
I do claim that I do have ABSOLUTELY the strongest anabolic/anti-catabolic combo of nutrients designed FOR my #1) blood flow to the muscle during the training theory and #2) my way of training (giant sets)
Everything is there FOR A REASON...so if I can suggest - save money to buy both...before you start using either....
While all my drinks would be anabolic alone - used in synergy deliever THE MOST.
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sarcev's whole theory.
sugar to spike insulin, aminos (pre-digested protein) to be carried to muscles after the insulin spike. ::)
giant sets providing best way of getting maximum blood volume into muscles for long enough = nutrients getting into muscle to do repair and growth.
the theory is bullshit because the blood already has all the required nutrients and flows to the muscles more efficiently when you aren't taking food into the gut.
now, granted, sipping a concoction like this is not going to cause a problem and will work to maintain your blood sugars, but the critical element bto this whole theory is the potential insulin spike.
the problem is, sugar is milos' answer to that equasion, and it's flawed for the reasons already mentioned. in fact it's dowright ludicrous.
if milos' theory was correct, diabetics (and athletes) would no longer have to inject insulin and milos would be a billionaire over night.
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sarcev's whole theory.
sugar to spike insulin, aminos (pre-digested protein) to be carried to muscles after the insulin spike. ::)
giant sets providing best way of getting maximum blood volume into muscles for long enough = nutrients getting into muscle to do repair and growth.
the theory is bullshit because the blood already has all the required nutrients and flows to the muscles more efficiently when you aren't taking food into the gut.
now, granted, sipping a concoction like this is not going to cause a problem and will work to maintain your blood sugars, but the critical element bto this whole theory is the potential insulin spike.
the problem is, sugar is milos' answer to that equasion, and it's flawed for the reasons already mentioned. in fact it's dowright ludicrous.
if milos' theory was correct, diabetics (and athletes) would no longer have to inject insulin and milos would be a billionaire over night.
Some people's stupidity amazes me...and your's actually shocks me.
Please do me (all of us) a favor - and forget about computer for a while (long, long while...) and as you are doing it - pick up some text books from elementary school to learn basics first-graders already know..
It is painful to listen what you have to say...
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PRELOAD + XXPLODE are absolutely necessary and dependent of each other...RELOAD is also special and important but in all honesty THAT ONE could be replaced with post workout shakes of anyone's choice.
PRELOAD should be taken 30 minutes before training - to start "blood saturation" of EXACT nutrients I would reccomend and XXPLOAD will continue delivering more nutrients during the workout as well as transport them into the cells of the working muscle - if used as directed (couple of sips after each set...or rather GIANT SET ;))
Again - as much as most of you think that I am typical salesman - I am not.
Certainly when I started taking advantage of increased blood flow to the muscle - I also started with several logical choices of supplements available on the market...
Reading the research - TONS OF research - which I will have to reference when the time comes...Experimenting and comparing different formulations on myself and numerous others I was improving the formula for almost a decade...
I do claim that I do have ABSOLUTELY the strongest anabolic/anti-catabolic combo of nutrients designed FOR my #1) blood flow to the muscle during the training theory and #2) my way of training (giant sets)
Everything is there FOR A REASON...so if I can suggest - save money to buy both...before you start using either....
While all my drinks would be anabolic alone - used in synergy deliever THE MOST.
Nutrition facts??
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milos, like i said before....will this apply to a short workout like high intensity training with only 4-5 sets and lasting only 15-20 minutes in total?
i know this may seem stupid question to u because u know so much. but i need to know as i plan myself.
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hey honest,
i think this is what u want:
http://koloseum.com/store/ProductDetail.asp?bDetail=T&IDProduct=2&iNum=1
it has it for each product.
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forget about it ::)
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Some people's stupidity amazes me...and your's actually shocks me.
Please do me (all of us) a favor - and forget about computer for a while (long, long while...) and as you are doing it - pick up some text books from elementary school to learn basics first-graders already know..
It is painful to listen what you have to say...
well, as your client, garraeth pointed out in disgusted's thread, when people get backed into a corner because they are lying, they start getting angry.
milos, you are consistant every time you post here. when you are cross examined you come out with petty insults and sarcasm. you think you're funny but in reality your posts have meltdown written all over them.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PROVE ME WRONG and, what the hell, i'll cancel my account altogether. i'll even pay pal you $1000- to purchase all your sugar in fancy tubs.
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Thanks Bro got it, the amino content isnt specific enough though i would love to know how much glutamine is in each serve, glutamine is quite cheap to make in comparison to the branch chain aminos and essentials.
But it is a quality product, testing has been done by the company involved years ago where i recall that 2grams of essential aminos was the equivalent of a small 100 gram steak at blood values for protein dont ask me to prove it, i can hardly recall it, but top quality aminos will cost you between 50 cents and 1 dollar a gram but not glutamine.I think the productis definatly beneficial if you can afford it, 30 grams of aminos during your most anabolic time but at 225 per 15 serves for all three, its not cheap, but its a quality product and certainly beneficial to those guys who can afford it.
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simply go back to your own crappy board and peddle your shit.
::)
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::)
bit of a self meltdown, test certainly kicked in ;D
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Thanks Bro got it, the amino content isnt specific enough though i would love to know how much glutamine is in each serve, glutamine is quite cheap to make in comparison to the branch chain aminos and essentials.
But it is a quality product, testing has been done by the company involved years ago where i recall that 2grams of essential aminos was the equivalent of a small 100 gram steak at blood values for protein dont ask me to prove it, i can hardly recall it, but top quality aminos will cost you between 50 cents and 1 dollar a gram but not glutamine.I think the productis definatly beneficial if you can afford it, 30 grams of aminos during your most anabolic time but at 225 per 15 serves for all three, its not cheap, but its a quality product and certainly beneficial to those guys who can afford it.
please, show me the study that conclusively states that glutamine does anything on a health person
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please, show me the study that conclusively states that glutamine does anything on a health person
By the tone of this post, I think I agree with you. Just do a test on yourself with high doses of glutamine peptides and see what it does for you, assuming you are a healthy person. You may as well take your money and burn it.
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Why wouldn't I just down two scoops of whey protein with gatorade before and after my workouts instead of buying this overpriced shit? :-\
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Why wouldn't I just down two scoops of whey protein with gatorade before and after my workouts instead of buying this overpriced shit? :-\
If u have the money it is the easiest option to purchase this drink, however if u wanna save ur money and have the time, the best alternative is to do this:
get BCAA Powder, L-Methionine powder, Lysine Powder, Ornithine Powder, (screw the glutamine), some creatine ethyl ester, some protein, and some glucose.
u would mix these together and u have a very similar product.
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please, show me the study that conclusively states that glutamine does anything on a health person
glutamine taken orally for recovery and l-carnitine (for fat loss) - the two biggest myths and scandals in the bodybuilding world.
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bit of a self meltdown, test certainly kicked in ;D
Glad you see it for yourself :D
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If u have the money it is the easiest option to purchase this drink, however if u wanna save ur money and have the time, the best alternative is to do this:
get BCAA Powder, L-Methionine powder, Lysine Powder, Ornithine Powder, (screw the glutamine), some creatine ethyl ester, some protein, and some glucose.
u would mix these together and u have a very similar product.
Why buy BCAA powder (been there-done that) when a decent whey has a ton of bcaa's. ON's Whey powder is going to give you something in the order of 10 grams of bcaa's in a couple of scoops. Add your carb beverage of choice for quick absorbtion (Carbo Force perhaps or whatever ABB calls their carb drink nowadays) and bam!...you have your pre and post workout drink that saves you about $100 bucks compared to this Milos stuff. Creatine...is creatine. The creatine I took in 1996 was very effective...I don't need some fancy overpriced crap now. You can but Body Fortress creatine at WalMart and get the results creatine provides.
I'm trying to save you kids money, but if you want to burn it just send it to me instead. :D Do steroids if you wanna spend a lot of money and get a real return on your money.
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hahaha benny blanco.
i totally forgot about the whey's having the bcaa's, i remember reading it has made most bcaa's products obsolete or not important cos u get it with the whey.
then this product is truly not only stupid but a waste of money.
"HEY, ANYBODY WANT SOME SNAKE OIL...I GOT SOME FOR 70 BUCKS A POP"
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i think it is obvious by now that milos can't back his bs. exactly the same as his bs about paul chua, claiming he has all this evidence and he's going to confound us all with his brilliance, but a full year later we got squat. ::)
milos is a real nice guy until you question him, at which point he turns into an arrogant prick. ;D
good to see that guys can think for themselves here at getbig and don't get bullied by the mind. ::)
you guys are dead right about the aminos. isolated aminos have been credited with everything from mimicking anabolic steroids (yes, believe it or not, branch chained aminos initially were), mimicking gh (anyone remember the touted arginine and ornithine taken on an empty stomach was supposed to release gh ::)), chromium - insulin ;D and now milos wants us to believe his protein and sugar will mimic all of the above (lmao, i can't believe this snake oil salesman) and you DAMNED WELL BETTER BELIEVE HIM OR HE'LL >:(....call you names. ;D.
the simple fact is, the sugars you'll find in milos' drink are NO MORE INSULIN STIMULATING than the sugar you'll find in a can of coke. in fact i would love to compare the gi of both because i have a feeling that the can of coke by itself will have a higher gi.
so where's the secret? the aminos? lmfao, give me a break.
let me tell you something. all the aminos in that $210 u.s rip off wouldn't amount to those you'd find in a couple of pounds of beef, and a healthy human body will do a far better job digesting and assimilating the aminos from that beef than ANY LAB IN THE WORLD.
so again i will implore milos, please attempt to prove me wrong. we could all do with another laugh. ;D
that aside, i have no doubt that milos knows a great deal about drugs. he has been a very successful pro bber in the past and always competed in superb shape against the best bbers in the world. his knowledge base for all those years of top flight competition must be incredible and i absolutely recognise that and respect him for it. in fact i have been a great supporter of milos in many getbig debates.
drugs are very different to food/food supplements though (despite what milos and the rest of the multi billion dollar supplement industry would want you to believe) and milos should no better than to come to a discerning and largely uncensored site like getbig and pedal his crap. to me it shows incredible arrogance even for him. he should have kept that crap over at his site and promoted the hell out of it. i wouldn't have said, 'boo'. he could happily rip off as many people as he liked.
however, to come on here and try and piss on us and tell us it's lemonade? well...it's just a bit too rich for my taste.
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well, as your client, garraeth pointed out in disgusted's thread, when people get backed into a corner because they are lying, they start getting angry.
milos, you are consistant every time you post here. when you are cross examined you come out with petty insults and sarcasm. you think you're funny but in reality your posts have meltdown written all over them.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PROVE ME WRONG and, what the hell, i'll cancel my account altogether. i'll even pay pal you $1000- to purchase all your sugar in fancy tubs.
What do I need to prove to you to get $1000.00?
You did get my interest ;)
So, to be clear - what exactly do I need to prove - as apparently I am "cornered" and getting angry ::).
You are not just stupid...but...OK, I'll be nice - maybe you ARE ready to send me so money....so: hit me with your best shot.
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What do I need to prove to you to get $1000.00?
You did get my interest ;)
So, to be clear - what exactly do I need to prove - as apparently I am "cornered" and getting angry ::).
You are not just stupid...but...OK, I'll be nice - maybe you ARE ready to send me so money....so: hit me with your best shot.
simple
easiest grand you'll ever make. simply prove any one of these:
PROVE TO ME THAT YOUR PRODUCT WILL MIMIC INSULIN.
PROVE TO ME THAT A SERVING OF YOUR PRODUCT IS ACTUALLY ANABOLIC (as you have claimed)
PROVE TO ME THAT THE AMINO ACIDS CONTAINED IN A SERVING OF YOUR PRODUCT ARE ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE AMINO ACIDS YOU'LL FIND IN ANY COMPLETE PROTEIN.
PROVE TO ME THAT SIMPLY TAKING REGULAR SERVINGS OF YOUR PRODUCT WILL, ON IT'S OWN (REMEMBER IT'S ANABOLIC) CAUSE ANYONE TO GAIN 30 - 40 LBS OF MUSCLE.
in short, all i want you to do is prove what you claim. can you do that now mr mind or do you want to bullshit for another 15 pages?
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err, milos, you going to come get my 1000 dollars or what?
i know you're not shy (you've got over 2000 posts on this site alone) so what's up?
should be the easiest grand you ever make. all you have to do is prove ONE of the listed claims that YOU MADE YOURSELF.
you should be able to prove all of them, but i'm only requesting ONE ???
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I know a few of Milos's clients personally and let me tell you that what he does works. One of his current competitors put on over 20lbs of muscle in the last year. This kid was a middleweight a year ago and now is holding his own as a legit lightheavy weight. That type of progress is super rare for most seasoned competitors but Milos's clients make those type of gains consistantly and I know this as many of them are my competition and friends.
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Oh, I forgot to mention: she is KNS athlete, endorser of KNS supplements...
lovely pictures, is she american?
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PROVE TO ME THAT THE AMINO ACIDS CONTAINED IN A SERVING OF YOUR PRODUCT ARE ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE AMINO ACIDS YOU'LL FIND IN ANY COMPLETE PROTEIN.
lol. just have a protien shake and some creatine and viola.
70 bucks saved!
I LOVE SNAKE OIL SALESMAN! BULLSHIT ARTISTS WITH A CAUSE
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simple
easiest grand you'll ever make. simply prove any one of these:
PROVE TO ME THAT YOUR PRODUCT WILL MIMIC INSULIN.
PROVE TO ME THAT A SERVING OF YOUR PRODUCT IS ACTUALLY ANABOLIC (as you have claimed)
PROVE TO ME THAT THE AMINO ACIDS CONTAINED IN A SERVING OF YOUR PRODUCT ARE ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE AMINO ACIDS YOU'LL FIND IN ANY COMPLETE PROTEIN.
PROVE TO ME THAT SIMPLY TAKING REGULAR SERVINGS OF YOUR PRODUCT WILL, ON IT'S OWN (REMEMBER IT'S ANABOLIC) CAUSE ANYONE TO GAIN 30 - 40 LBS OF MUSCLE.
in short, all i want you to do is prove what you claim. can you do that now mr mind or do you want to bullshit for another 15 pages?
Anytime you are ready to come to my gym and bring the cash - I will easily prove everything I claim.
I am in the gym tomorrow from 10 AM
1101 South Placentia Avenue
Fullerton, CA 92831
Also, bring someone WITH SOME BRAIN - as I certainly would not be able proving to blind that grass is green - as blind can't see...and you don't have even a basic knowledge or sense to understand the obvious...
Your best bet - bring some professor or major expert who you trust...so when they start laughing at your ignorance - you would be pissed at them - not me...
Or, you are suggesting that I should just post all the research and my theories here to you - for your review and best judgement...and IF YOU DECIDE ::) ::) ::) that I indeed proved that grass is green - you will not MAYBE change the story and say - 2 weeks old cut grass...and burned grass...are not green - thus YOU DON'T FEEL YOU NEED TO PAY ME A GRAND?
Bozo, bring someone who can actually comprehend more than just what toilets are for...
What are you going to bet me next?
To prove that lifting weights could under CERTAIN circumstances maybe, possibly - build muscle?
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A supplement is a supplement. Why all the hate? Milos is putting together a great drink which contains a good selection of nutrients. Why be rude to someone who's contributing something to society?
Keep up the good work Milos!
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"who's contributing something to society?" ::)
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A supplement is a supplement. Why all the hate? Milos is putting together a great drink which contains a good selection of nutrients. Why be rude to someone who's contributing something to society?
Keep up the good work Milos!
A "great drink" that costs SEVENTY DOLLARS? And that's just pre-workout...another SEVENTY DOLLARS for his post-workout crap??? You are the type of mark that deserves to get bilked out of his money.
I'll take whey and gatorade and you take Milos' shit...I bet I get better results with money left over to have a social life afterwards.
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A "great drink" that costs SEVENTY DOLLARS? And that's just pre-workout...another SEVENTY DOLLARS for his post-workout crap??? You are the type of mark that deserves to get bilked out of his money.
I'll take whey and gatorade and you take Milos' shit...I bet I get better results with money left over to have a social life afterwards.
It's all about supply and demand my friend. If Milos can make the most profit with having the price up at $70 then good on him. That's what the market is paying for it.
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Anytime you are ready to come to my gym and bring the cash - I will easily prove everything I claim.
I am in the gym tomorrow from 10 AM
1101 South Placentia Avenue
Fullerton, CA 92831
Also, bring someone WITH SOME BRAIN - as I certainly would not be able proving to blind that grass is green - as blind can't see...and you don't have even a basic knowledge or sense to understand the obvious...
Your best bet - bring some professor or major expert who you trust...so when they start laughing at your ignorance - you would be pissed at them - not me...
Or, you are suggesting that I should just post all the research and my theories here to you - for your review and best judgement...and IF YOU DECIDE ::) ::) ::) that I indeed proved that grass is green - you will not MAYBE change the story and say - 2 weeks old cut grass...and burned grass...are not green - thus YOU DON'T FEEL YOU NEED TO PAY ME A GRAND?
Bozo, bring someone who can actually comprehend more than just what toilets are for...
What are you going to bet me next?
To prove that lifting weights could under CERTAIN circumstances maybe, possibly - build muscle?
translation: "i've got nothing so i will bullshit some more, meltdown and call names like i always do when i get exposed." ::)
as i have told you before, I DON'T LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR YOUR GYM!! maybe you can use that great 'mind' of yours to grasp that relevant fact. it is interesting that apparently anyone that needs a little evidence to prove JUST ONE of your claims needs to, not only pay $210 u.s but also travel to your gym. seeing as you are so sure of your research i would think it would be right there at your finger tips and if you actually were unable to remember it ::), could simply copy and paste it with a couple of clicks. at $210 per order, i would have hoped so.
regardless, the deal was that i would PAYPAL you $1000- if you could prove JUST ONE OF YOUR OWN CLAIMS RE THE PRODUCT. hell, those very claims are stated clearly on the product and on your website. that was the deal you agreed to in this very thread. so now you're backing out with a lame excuse. bravo mr mind.
you can't prove them because you are a liar and a fraud. if you had any real integrity (as you claim with your chua allegations) you would admit to this and move on.
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What do I need to prove to you to get $1000.00?
You did get my interest ;)
So, to be clear - what exactly do I need to prove - as apparently I am "cornered" and getting angry ::).
You are not just stupid...but...OK, I'll be nice - maybe you ARE ready to send me so money....so: hit me with your best shot.
and here's the proof of your part of the deal. note the word 'send'. ;)
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It's all about supply and demand my friend. If Milos can make the most profit with having the price up at $70 then good on him. That's what the market is paying for it.
Look...I've run businesses. You don't have to tell me about supply and demand. Nobody's knocking him for charging what the market will bear...if there really is much of a market for $70 snake oil. THAT IS NOT THE POINT OF MY POST. Milos is posting this crap on a bodybuilding board where many of us have been training for 20 or more years and have seen so many over-hyped supplements come and go. I am saying that Stevie Wonder could see that this product is a ripoff, but to the neophytes out there who don't know better is where Milos's supplements will make their profit.
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i find this "come and see me at my gym" comment lame as hell
people all over the world - no matter where they live - are supposed to come and see milos at some gym somewhere everytime they question something?
he knows it aint happening. so thats not a real response
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Look...I've run businesses. You don't have to tell me about supply and demand. Nobody's knocking him for charging what the market will bear...if there really is much of a market for $70 snake oil. THAT IS NOT THE POINT OF MY POST.
return of the snake oil phenomenon.
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return of the snake oil phenomenon.
ok... you already made your point by starting a useless thread.
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ok... you already made your point by starting a useless thread.
I made Duncan meltdown earlier and now he's stalking... ::)
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translation: "i've got nothing so i will bullshit some more, meltdown and call names like i always do when i get exposed." ::)
as i have told you before, I DON'T LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR YOUR GYM!! maybe you can use that great 'mind' of yours to grasp that relevant fact. it is interesting that apparently anyone that needs a little evidence to prove JUST ONE of your claims needs to, not only pay $210 u.s but also travel to your gym. seeing as you are so sure of your research i would think it would be right there at your finger tips and if you actually were unable to remember it ::), could simply copy and paste it with a couple of clicks. at $210 per order, i would have hoped so.
regardless, the deal was that i would PAYPAL you $1000- if you could prove JUST ONE OF YOUR OWN CLAIMS RE THE PRODUCT. hell, those very claims are stated clearly on the product and on your website. that was the deal you agreed to in this very thread. so now you're backing out with a lame excuse. bravo mr mind.
you can't prove them because you are a liar and a fraud. if you had any real integrity (as you claim with your chua allegations) you would admit to this and move on.
Here is idea: send me a grand...and than - when I have the money - I can invest the time to talk to you - someone who knows what toilets are for...
Than - when I post my answer - you can have that profesor or "other" expert analyze my answer - and tell you IF I need to refund you money.
Off course - I will get in discussion with the "prof" - IF need be...but not with "the janitor - Master"...
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i find this "come and see me at my gym" comment lame as hell
people all over the world - no matter where they live - are supposed to come and see milos at some gym somewhere everytime they question something?
he knows it aint happening. so thats not a real response
Just like I invited HUNDREDS of people to my FREE seminar or to challenge me IF they think they can handle "my brutal workouts"?
I guess I am really "only BS'ing" as I am hiding behind some "user name" withot a trace...just "speaking big"?
I posted my address and phone number many times.
As you guys know - I take photos of every workout (daily) which means - I can take photos of ANY of our "meetings" and POST THE PROOF - here on getbig...
Also - I would encourage you to bring your own camera..
Difference between ME and most of you is exactly that: I talk the talk and walk the walk...and give all of you talkers a chance to become walkers....
But, truth is - takes time to grow up...
I am not impulsive little kid who needs something to prove when some ignorant ass- ole who doesn't know matters starts "questioning" me...
I post here on this board - just like I post on others with ONE GOAL: to help, inform, educate and BE FRIENDLY...
Unfortunately, most of our getbig "kindergarten muscle university" believes not just that they know more than pro bodybuilders and pro trainers - they also think it is OK to use the language you guys do...
Well, good luck with that.
Again, EVERYTHING and ANYTHING I say - I stand 100% behind it - and IF ANYONE EVER wants the proof - there are much nicer ways to get it - in person...in my gym...in front of witnesses.
I even organized free seminar BECAUSE of you guys (getbiggers) to show you that I will give you something FREE - as you maybe didn't realize that I am posting here almost daily FOR YOU - TO LEARN something...
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Milos has the Lou Ferrigno sindrome.
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Here is idea: send me a grand...and than - when I have the money - I can invest the time to talk to you - someone who knows what toilets are for...
Than - when I post my answer - you can have that profesor or "other" expert analyze my answer - and tell you IF I need to refund you money.
Off course - I will get in discussion with the "prof" - IF need be...but not with "the janitor - Master"...
LOL
so you've chosen to bullshit some more. ok ::)
so what you're saying is, unless you are as brilliant as mr mind, milos sarcev, you won't understand the answer. hmmm, what does that say about your potential clientelle? i guess they'll have to take the word of a proven liar and fraudster. oh of course, i forgot to mention convicted criminal.
the real sad thing is, you CAN'T EVEN POST EVIDENCE OF ONE OF YOUR CLAIMS, not even for $1000.00.
i seriously think you should be charged with fraud milos.
maybe someone should also mention to the fbi that you are now selling food supplements (to add to your drug dealing) and claiming them to be 'anabolic' without supporting research or evidence.
fraud is obtaining a credit by deceit and that is exactly what you are doing by claiming your product is 'anabolic'.
if you have deceived one single person into purchasing your product as a result of your false claims of them being 'anabolic' then there is a case against you. if nobody has been stupid enough to purchase it then you can still be charged with attempted fraud. actually, it is my understanding that claiming a food supplement is 'anabolic' has already been deemed to be against the law so i'm thinking some very large corporations in the supplement industry might get to thinking you're attempting to cut their grass and make a few phone calls. ;)
if you think that's bullshit, maybe you had better ring your lawyer pronto so he can educate you mr 'mind'.
sugar and protein. this has to rank as one of the dumbest things that you've come up with. right along with 'sprinting marathons'.
that fire your synthol filled arms got you in must have cooked your brain.
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why are u spending your entire day on this board discrediting Milos??... poor soul... typical follower who doesnt like that other people are leaders in their category. milos' concept is sound... and some hype is normal to sell product.
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Milos, I will buy your products if you guarantee me that I will gain 20-30 pounds of muscle with your products....
Is that a great deal? if I don't get at least 10 pounds, I will return your products and you give me my money back.
;)
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Just like I invited HUNDREDS of people to my FREE seminar or to challenge me IF they think they can handle "my brutal workouts"?
I guess I am really "only BS'ing" as I am hiding behind some "user name" withot a trace...just "speaking big"?
I posted my address and phone number many times.
As you guys know - I take photos of every workout (daily) which means - I can take photos of ANY of our "meetings" and POST THE PROOF - here on getbig...
Also - I would encourage you to bring your own camera..
Difference between ME and most of you is exactly that: I talk the talk and walk the walk...and give all of you talkers a chance to become walkers....
no you dont talk the talk. you dont talk. you tell people to come visit you at your gym (where you are every day anyway)
im interested in the theories behind your training, how it compare to other training theories out there etc. coming to your gym wouldnt answer anything.
i can get tired by walking up and down a flight of stairs if i do long enough. so what. does that mean it's a great method of training? should i invite people to walk with me on the stairs?
this is a discussion board. and i tend to do just that - discuss.
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why are u spending your entire day on this board discrediting Milos??... poor soul... typical follower who doesnt like that other people are leaders in their category. milos' concept is sound... and some hype is normal to sell product.
you're saying his concept is 'sound'? high gi sugars with aminos mimic insulin injections and are anabolic? that's a sound theory to you? ::)
milos has went too far with his claims on this one. he has not only hyped it he has made CLAIMS THAT HE KNOWS VERY WELL TO BE FALSE in regard to the product.
he is a liar and a fraud. if there is one thing i can't stand, it's a person who presents themselves as a person with integrity and honesty and turns out to be a liar and a coward.
i offered to paypal him $1000.00 if he could prove just one of his claims (if what he said was true he should be able to do this in a heart beat). he took my challenge and then proceeded to back out of it with his usual disingenuous excuses and insults.
he did this because he knows very well that he can't prove any one of them, never mind all of them as he should IF he was actually an honest man.
milos is an individual that DOES NOT walk his talk at all.
talk of him winning the olympia - his entire pro career he didn't win a single professional competition.
shawn ray - lots of talk and allegations. what's he ever actually proven? NOTHING.
being a voice for pro bbers and improving their conditions - EXTREMELY critical of the rep, bob chick, but when it comes time for action from milos he is nowhere to be found.
talk of making a comeback - 3 years later and it still remains just talk. oh, he still takes all the drugs though. ::)
running his own shows and managing bbers - all talk
paul chua's alleged corruption - lots of talk about all this evidence he was supposed to have - nearly a full year later and not a shred of evidence from milos, not a single piece. just talk.
talk of how his bbers were going to some real damage at the olympia. years later and he has not got one single bber anywhere close. no wonder they all leave him when they finally realise they are going nowhere.
all this guy ever does is run his mouth and make false claims.
funny how he can rant for huge essays about how the grass is green and the sky is blue and copious amounts of insults and bullshit about nothing, but ask him to provide evidence of just one claim and he's too busy or he wants you to come to his gym. ::)
milos sarcev should be called the mouth, not the mind. ;)
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no you dont talk the talk. you dont talk. you tell people to come visit you at your gym (where you are every day anyway)
im interested in the theories behind your training, how it compare to other training theories out there etc. coming to your gym wouldnt answer anything.
i can get tired by walking up and down a flight of stairs if i do long enough. so what. does that mean it's a great method of training? should i invite people to walk with me on the stairs?
this is a discussion board. and i tend to do just that - discuss.
that's because he CAN'T explain it. his entire training theory is built around pumping blood into the muscles.
might work if you take enough drugs ie his ifbb pros and yes they look big when they're all pumped in the gym but notice how none of his pros retain a competitive degree of thickness and density come show time?
funny how guys like ronnie (who trains heavy and straight sets) are so far ahead of his guys, despite milos supplying them with all the best drugs.
the way milos talks, about heavy straight sets being so inferior and redundant, yet ronnie makes his boys look like...well, boys. :-[
just like yates (heavy minimal sets trainer) made milos look when they were competing.
hell, even putting so much synthol in his arms that he caught fire didn't get milos anywhere in competition.
i sure hope milos is giving sound advice with all the drugs he supplies because in every other capacity he's full of shit. :-\
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that's because he CAN'T explain it. his entire training theory is built around pumping blood into the muscles.
The whole "success" of his giant set/insulin/amino loading theory is all due to water manipulation. Milos even acknowledged this to a certain degree on PBW. I'm sure Milos can put on 30lbs in a months by carb loading and shooting a lot of insulin. It's water.
What he will have a problem proving is that he can increase protein synthesis significantly with this. The theory of supplying aminos during the workout making a significant impact is shaky at best IMO.
I don't think preventing catabolism with carbs/insulin is worthless but he is exaggerating to the extreme. Someone already on a high carb diet already isn't going to put gobs of muscle on just by taking these drinks around the workout.
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The whole "success" of his giant set/insulin/amino loading theory is all due to water manipulation. Milos even acknowledged this to a certain degree on PBW. I'm sure Milos can put on 30lbs in a months by carb loading and shooting a lot of insulin. It's water.
What he will have a problem proving is that he can increase protein synthesis significantly with this. The theory of supplying aminos during the workout making a significant impact is shaky at best IMO.
I don't think preventing catabolism with carbs/insulin is worthless but he is exaggerating to the extreme. Someone already on a high carb diet already isn't going to put gobs of muscle on just by taking these drinks around the workout.
yes, i have no doubt that injecting insulin by itself would cause weight gain, but it'll also make you look like the pillsbury doughboy.
that aside, milos is not selling insulin, he's selling very expensive sugar at 25 grams a serving.
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you should get some legit scientists to run controlled studies on this supplement in order to increase it's reputation. Just make sure it is not like the "studies" done on NO2 that confirmed it's "effectiveness."
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simple
easiest grand you'll ever make. simply prove any one of these:
PROVE TO ME THAT YOUR PRODUCT WILL MIMIC INSULIN.
PROVE TO ME THAT A SERVING OF YOUR PRODUCT IS ACTUALLY ANABOLIC (as you have claimed)
PROVE TO ME THAT THE AMINO ACIDS CONTAINED IN A SERVING OF YOUR PRODUCT ARE ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE AMINO ACIDS YOU'LL FIND IN ANY COMPLETE PROTEIN.
PROVE TO ME THAT SIMPLY TAKING REGULAR SERVINGS OF YOUR PRODUCT WILL, ON IT'S OWN (REMEMBER IT'S ANABOLIC) CAUSE ANYONE TO GAIN 30 - 40 LBS OF MUSCLE.
in short, all i want you to do is prove what you claim. can you do that now mr mind or do you want to bullshit for another 15 pages?
16 pages and milos still can't prove just ONE of his claims for $1000.00.
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beast did u read this thread: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=159456.0
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I'm curious, have any of you fucking douchebags even TRIED giant sets?
For eight weeks, just like any other type of training method, try it and see what your results are. I'm in week 6 and I know what my results are already ;)
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beast did u read this thread: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=159456.0
lol
yes, i was reading that and lmao.
it's funny because it's true. ;D
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lol
yes, i was reading that and lmao.
it's funny because it's true. ;D
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gee, milos has gone awful quiet on this site.
i wonder why? hmmm.
what happened to all those huge essays talking about how wonderful he is and how he will revolutionize bodybuilding.
did you know that in virtual milos world you can add 30 - 40lbs of lean muscle tissue in 2 weeks?
all with just 25 grams of sugar and some protein per serve. :D
has someone been on the phone to tom prince or flex wheeler yet. guys don't have to worry about having to take drugs (and make themselves sick) to make a comeback. just use milos' sugar and protein and they'll be back to their former selves in 2 weeks. ;D
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2) While PRE-DURING-POST concept is not new - NOBODY (to my knowledge anyway) has similar drinks or rationale
3) While many companies do have PRE workout drink as well many use enhanced blood delivery caused by NO products - all they are accomplishing is - delivering MORE OF THE EMPTY BLOOD...
4) Blood saturated with proper and timely nutrients is a key...as BLOOD FLOW TO THE MUSCLE IS BY FAR HIGHEST ONLY - DURING the workout...and whoever misses this opportunity is missing the greatest possibility to create (what I call): HYPER-ANABOLISM...or highest state of anabolism (biggest differential between protein synthesys and protein degradation)...
5) Blood delievered without exact nutrients will certainly be inferior to "KNS blood"...but as my getbig fans suggests - there is equally good "poor mans version" of Milos drink...Well, what can I tell you...If you believe you can drive the car filling it up with the Orange Juice - go ahead...it is poor mans version of gas...
I wonder... could slin enhance this?
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I wonder... could slin enhance this?
Why do you think Milos says he always takes insulin when in serious training?
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Why do you think Milos says he always takes insulin when in serious training?
where does he say that? i never saw him mention PREworkout slin tho...
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One thing with Sarcev that I noticed: He rarely or never refered to any scientific studies, but would rather resort to allegories.
Eg when asked why the expensive Amino Acids used in his drink formula were better than regular Amino Acids, his answer was something like: "You don't put second oil in a sport car", or something like that.
Frankly, if he can back up his products with facts and results (both!), great.
If not, and he also doesn't admit it, he's a con artist.
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where does he say that? i never saw him mention PREworkout slin tho...
I'm too lazy to do a search but he said it recently. Said he is only using insulin these days (no steroids) and always uses it when in serious training. You're right, he didn't mention timing but I would assume he takes it after sessions but who knows.
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One thing with Sarcev that I noticed: He rarely or never refered to any scientific studies, but would rather resort to allegories.
Eg when asked why the expensive Amino Acids used in his drink formula were better than regular Amino Acids, his answer was something like: "You don't put second oil in a sport car", or something like that.
Frankly, if he can back up his products with facts and results (both!), great.
If not, and he also doesn't admit it, he's a con artist.
He wouldn't last in any scientific debate. On MD he dissed Layne Norton when he questioned something about the drinks, no doubt not knowing Layne actually IS a protein researcher and scientist LOL.
I would like for him to prove his claim that his aminos are of "higher quality" and performance than other brands, which he also claims to be made out of human hair, unlike his. Even if they were made of human hair he would have trouble proving they were in any way inferior.
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One thing with Sarcev that I noticed: He rarely or never refered to any scientific studies, but would rather resort to allegories.
Eg when asked why the expensive Amino Acids used in his drink formula were better than regular Amino Acids, his answer was something like: "You don't put second oil in a sport car", or something like that.
Frankly, if he can back up his products with facts and results (both!), great.
If not, and he also doesn't admit it, he's a con artist.
Are you suggesting that Snake OilTM is not the most anabolic substance on Earth?? :o
Garraeth says it's better that steroids!
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Milos is just a carpet bagger....plain & simple
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I think this thread got really out of hand...
Milos seems to want to share his info, be it him promoting or not, you're not obligated to buy it!
I don't seem to understand the outlandish attack by some of the members here, but that's their opinion/right as well.
The bottom line; if you think Milos' idea could or will work, go out and buy a pound of EAA's from True Protein or somewhere and give the drink a try and see if you A) like it B) if it works as touted by Milos C) not click on the thread when it's continuously going in the direction it's been going in.
If you don't want to even try it, then you should shut your fuckin' trap.....
(meltdown has been ended...for those of you fags that will cry this)
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Smeone is copying someone here. 24hr fitness supps just brought out their own version of Milos drinks.
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http://products.apexfitness.com/cgi-bin/apexfitness.cgi/3712.html
didnt milos say he also invented the measure that you should take 1 iu of insulin for every 15 grams of carbs?
if he is making that claim i wouldnt be sure about anything else because im almost 100% positive he did not think of that conversion.
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Smeone is copying someone here. 24hr fitness supps just brought out their own version of Milos drinks.
Champion Nutrition has tow version the Amino Shooter and the Amino Shooter Core +.
Is been on the market over 1 year.
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Champion Nutrition has tow version the Amino Shooter and the Amino Shooter Core +.
Is been on the market over 1 year.
big surprise. teh supplement companies are just going to find anything possible to say its going to put on more muscle. by next year everyone is going to forget all about this. what magazine had all of the biggest more popular supplements of the past 20 years or something? and the results were.. "yeah.. we bought that.. didnt work"
bunch of crap. no one needs to be gettin bigger anyways isnt that the main complaint among pro bber? theyre too big? its ruining their lines? im sorry but i dont think anything bigger than ronnie coleman is necessary hell that isnt even good on him and hes the best he looked better lighter.
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you're saying his concept is 'sound'? high gi sugars with aminos mimic insulin injections and are anabolic? that's a sound theory to you? ::)
milos has went too far with his claims on this one. he has not only hyped it he has made CLAIMS THAT HE KNOWS VERY WELL TO BE FALSE in regard to the product.
he is a liar and a fraud. if there is one thing i can't stand, it's a person who presents themselves as a person with integrity and honesty and turns out to be a liar and a coward.
i offered to paypal him $1000.00 if he could prove just one of his claims (if what he said was true he should be able to do this in a heart beat). he took my challenge and then proceeded to back out of it with his usual disingenuous excuses and insults.
he did this because he knows very well that he can't prove any one of them, never mind all of them as he should IF he was actually an honest man.
milos is an individual that DOES NOT walk his talk at all.
talk of him winning the olympia - his entire pro career he didn't win a single professional competition.
shawn ray - lots of talk and allegations. what's he ever actually proven? NOTHING.
being a voice for pro bbers and improving their conditions - EXTREMELY critical of the rep, bob chick, but when it comes time for action from milos he is nowhere to be found.
talk of making a comeback - 3 years later and it still remains just talk. oh, he still takes all the drugs though. ::)
running his own shows and managing bbers - all talk
paul chua's alleged corruption - lots of talk about all this evidence he was supposed to have - nearly a full year later and not a shred of evidence from milos, not a single piece. just talk.
talk of how his bbers were going to some real damage at the olympia. years later and he has not got one single bber anywhere close. no wonder they all leave him when they finally realise they are going nowhere.
all this guy ever does is run his mouth and make false claims.
funny how he can rant for huge essays about how the grass is green and the sky is blue and copious amounts of insults and bullshit about nothing, but ask him to provide evidence of just one claim and he's too busy or he wants you to come to his gym. ::)
milos sarcev should be called the mouth, not the mind. ;)
WOW...look at this post......if that aint the pot calling the kettle black.......you just MElted away..........ummmm who are you? oh nobody!...let see when Milos post you know who he is...yeah you put up Grand ::).....sure prove it to us. you cant.....WHO ARE YOU??????? :-\ :-\........just ranting and raving...... anyway MR 1000. make your next 3 billion post before the year is out.
NEXT!!!!!!!!! 8)
R U MADDDDDD!!!!!!
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why would u wager 1grand for him to "prove" it?
like you can understand any scientific informatino milos can shit out of his mouth anyways he will run circles around you and ull just say "okay heres ur money" lol
just wait it out, if its good people will be buying it AAS. if its not it will die fast like no expode etce tc.
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I think this thread got really out of hand...
No one is faulting Milos for wanting to make and market supplements... lots of former bodybuilders do that. The reason he is catching so much shit is he's marketing a standard product (amino acids) but has the arrogance to price them like five times the price of comperable products and make outrageous claims on here to try to justify it. If he had just put out "Milos Brand Aminos" and priced them similarly to comparable products and kept his trap shut no one would be giving him crap.
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No one is faulting Milos for wanting to make and market supplements... lots of former bodybuilders do that. The reason he is catching so much shit is he's marketing a standard product (amino acids) but has the arrogance to price them like five times the price of comperable products and make outrageous claims on here to try to justify it. If he had just put out "Milos Brand Aminos" and priced them similarly to comparable products and kept his trap shut no one would be giving him crap.
I'm not so sure it would be that cut and dry. Certainly not on THIS board!
Are his products overpriced? I'm not so sure about that. Expensive, yes. There is a difference.
I'm sure some of you GB'ers have already done a search for the company he uses, Ajinomoto, (http://www.ajiaminoscience.com/frontpage_new.asp)- their shit ain't cheap!!!
I think Milos is getting what he feels is just for his product. And then you've got all these guys like Beast laying into him about it.
If you don't want to buy it, then don't! If you want to give it a try, by all means go ahead. Perhaps do what I did and buy your own products and try the method yourself and then use your empirical evidence to verify your own findings...the way Milos did.
As the saying goes..."arguing on the internet is like the Special Olympics...even if you win you're still retarded."
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http://products.apexfitness.com/cgi-bin/apexfitness.cgi/3712.html
didnt milos say he also invented the measure that you should take 1 iu of insulin for every 15 grams of carbs?
if he is making that claim i wouldnt be sure about anything else because im almost 100% positive he did not think of that conversion.
No...as the matter of fact I claim I "invented" (interesting choice of words) the measure that you should take for 1 IU of insulin...and said 10 grams of glucose per unit (in reality IF timing is perfect - many could get away with 6-7 grams per unit...but as it is "too close for comfort" I suggested TEN GRAMS PER UNIT).
At the time (1993) you could not find a SINGLE piece of information regarding that...
Few years later American Diabetic Association started using similar formulas...
But, off course - I am probably making this up as well...
Since than - I am 'specializing' on new "snake oils"...
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I'm not so sure it would be that cut and dry. Certainly not on THIS board!
Are his products overpriced? I'm not so sure about that. Expensive, yes. There is a difference.
I'm sure some of you GB'ers have already done a search for the company he uses, Ajinomoto, (http://www.ajiaminoscience.com/frontpage_new.asp)- their shit ain't cheap!!!
I think Milos is getting what he feels is just for his product. And then you've got all these guys like Beast laying into him about it.
If you don't want to buy it, then don't! If you want to give it a try, by all means go ahead. Perhaps do what I did and buy your own products and try the method yourself and then use your empirical evidence to verify your own findings...the way Milos did.
As the saying goes..."arguing on the internet is like the Special Olympics...even if you win you're still retarded."
I am using AJINOMOTO aminos as no other aminos comes close to their superb quality...
Some people want to put ONLY THE BEST in their body's...other are too cheap to realize what is most important...
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i offered to paypal him $1000.00 if he could prove just one of his claims (if what he said was true he should be able to do this in a heart beat). he took my challenge and then proceeded to back out of it with his usual disingenuous excuses and insults.
he did this because he knows very well that he can't prove any one of them, never mind all of them as he should IF he was actually an honest man.
milos is an individual that DOES NOT walk his talk at all.
talk of him winning the olympia - his entire pro career he didn't win a single professional competition.
I can offer you $2000.00 if you can prove me that you have balls (if what you said is true - you should be able to do this in a heart beat)...
#2) I am "walking my talk" - every day of my life - and any time you see me I can prove it...I will be a Olympia at the KNS booth - bring $1000.00 and whatever expert to listen what I have to say... ;)...Or - you are too busy to attend?
#3) Hmmmmmm, I guess I am calling myself IFBB pro champion falsely?
Or...maybe AGAIN - you don't have your facts straight?
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why would u wager 1grand for him to "prove" it?
like you can understand any scientific informatino milos can shit out of his mouth anyways he will run circles around you and ull just say "okay heres ur money" lol
just wait it out, if its good people will be buying it AAS. if its not it will die fast like no expode etce tc.
i wagered a grand because i knew he couldn't prove it. simple as that.
they are ridiculous claims and they make no sense whatsoever and, frankly, i don't see how the fda lets milos get away with printing 'anabolic' on his label. maybe they don't know about it.
if the product is used with slin, yes, it probably would be somewhat anabolic, but just about any combination of high glycemic index carbs and protein would be in that event. using insulin has not been stated anywhere though.
to the poster above, if you see my posts as a meltdown, good for you, but as hedge said, if milos could prove me wrong he would have.
what is wrong with me asking for some proof? it was milos who said his 9 yr old daughter could prove it (she's probably 10 by now), so why couldn't he? or does he expect people to shell out $210 u.s a pop on his say so?
captain slin, speak for yourself on the 'non understanding'. i understand nutrition very well and endocrinology and, since his 9 yr old could understand, i'm sure i could grasp it...IF IT WAS ACTUALLY FORTHCOMING.
i have seen how easy it is for milos to manipulate getbiggers, but that's understandable, the naive and deluded have been lining the multi billion dollar supplement industry since weider started hawking his milk powder.
i'm sorry, but bbing champion or not, milos is a con artist just like weider. only difference is, milos leaves out the required insulin shots, whereas weider left out the required dianabol..
he props up himself and the rest of his stable of drug assisted bbers as proof of his snake oil's effectiveness, just like weider did, all the while knowing damn well that his food supplement has about as much to do with their development as the cologne they use.
it's a proven formula and milos obviously learnt a thing or 2 from the very rich jew. hell, he's even reinventing training protocols like weider did. all we need now is the milos busk and milos principles.
ask milos for proof of anything and he says the cheque's in the mail. only it never seems to arrive. when you ask why the proof is taking so long he melts down and calls you an idiot. ::)
also called into question was my anonymity, as opposed to milos.
well, yes, i am anonymous and i'd like to remain so, but then i'm not trying to sell you anything. my credibility opposed to milos has never been an issue as i'm not making wild claims asking for your cash. ;)
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I can offer you $2000.00 if you can prove me that you have balls (if what you said is true - you should be able to do this in a heart beat)...
#2) I am "walking my talk" - every day of my life - and any time you see me I can prove it...I will be a Olympia at the KNS booth - bring $1000.00 and whatever expert to listen what I have to say... ;)...Or - you are too busy to attend?
#3) Hmmmmmm, I guess I am calling myself IFBB pro champion falsely?
Or...maybe AGAIN - you don't have your facts straight?
"beast" isn't going to do anything, he's a bitch. :)
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gee, milos has gone awful quiet on this site.
i wonder why? hmmm.
what happened to all those huge essays talking about how wonderful he is and how he will revolutionize bodybuilding.
did you know that in virtual milos world you can add 30 - 40lbs of lean muscle tissue in 2 weeks?
all with just 25 grams of sugar and some protein per serve. :D
has someone been on the phone to tom prince or flex wheeler yet. guys don't have to worry about having to take drugs (and make themselves sick) to make a comeback. just use milos' sugar and protein and they'll be back to their former selves in 2 weeks. ;D
Wonder why? Hmmmmmmm...maybe I have 273 more important things to do than "argue" with mickey-mouse experts?
Possibly - training guys like Dennis Wolf (winner of Keystone), Johnnie Jackson (winner of AC), Hidetada Ymagishi (first Japanase bodybuilder qualified for the Olympia)...Steve Namat, Armin Scholz, Troy Alves...and many others have something to do with it...(I would not mention my amateurs...or girls...last one winning South Afican National Championship in her first try at age of 40...just 3 weeks ago...with me being there...)
Or prep to launch my KNS supplements at the Olympia...plus (very possibly) getting 1/3 of yet another Nutritional company with 2 partners...and moving in my new house (September 1st)...
Sorry guys - how could I neglect you for so long...Shame on me...please forgive me :'(
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challenge to "beast 8692", post just one picture, just one that's it.
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Wonder why? Hmmmmmmm...maybe I have 273 more important things to do than "argue" with mickey-mouse experts?
Possibly - training guys like Dennis Wolf (winner of Keystone), Johnnie Jackson (winner of AC), Hidetada Ymagishi (first Japanase bodybuilder qualified for the Olympia)...Steve Namat, Armin Scholz, Troy Alves...and many others have something to do with it...(I would not mention my amateurs...or girls...last one winning South Afican National Championship in her first try at age of 40...just 3 weeks ago...with me being there...)
Or prep to launch my KNS supplements at the Olympia...plus (very possibly) getting 1/3 of yet another Nutritional company with 2 partners...and moving in my new house (September 1st)...
Sorry guys - how could I neglect you for so long...Shame on me...please forgive me :'(
i forgive you milos.
now, back to that kns supplement proof? :D
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i wagered a grand because i knew he couldn't prove it. simple as that.
they are ridiculous claims and they make no sense whatsoever and, frankly, i don't see how the fda lets milos get away with printing 'anabolic' on his label. maybe they don't know about it.
if the product is used with slin, yes, it probably would be somewhat anabolic, but just about any combination of high glycemic index carbs and protein would be in that event. using insulin has not been stated anywhere though.
to the poster above, if you see my posts as a meltdown, good for you, but as hedge said, if milos could prove me wrong he would have.
what is wrong with me asking for some proof? it was milos who said his 9 yr old daughter could prove it (she's probably 10 by now), so why couldn't he? or does he expect people to shell out $210 u.s a pop on his say so?
captain slin, speak for yourself on the 'non understanding'. i understand nutrition very well and endocrinology and, since his 9 yr old could understand, i'm sure i could grasp it...IF IT WAS ACTUALLY FORTHCOMING.
i have seen how easy it is for milos to manipulate getbiggers, but that's understandable, the naive and deluded have been lining the multi billion dollar supplement industry since weider started hawking his milk powder.
i'm sorry, but bbing champion or not, milos is a con artist just like weider. only difference is, milos leaves out the required insulin shots, whereas weider left out the required dianabol..
he props up himself and the rest of his stable of drug assisted bbers as proof of his snake oil's effectiveness, just like weider did, all the while knowing damn well that his food supplement has about as much to do with their development as the cologne they use.
it's a proven formula and milos obviously learnt a thing or 2 from the very rich jew. hell, he's even reinventing training protocols like weider did. all we need now is the milos busk and milos principles.
ask milos for proof of anything and he says the cheque's in the mail. only it never seems to arrive. when you ask why the proof is taking so long he melts down and calls you an idiot. ::)
also called into question was my anonymity, as opposed to milos.
well, yes, i am anonymous and i'd like to remain so, but then i'm not trying to sell you anything. my credibility opposed to milos has never been an issue as i'm not making wild claims asking for your cash. ;)
That means you are not coming to Olympia?
Hmmmmm, manipulator (me) will be at the KNS booth for 3 days - you can bring camcorder and $1000.00 and ask me that question...
Somehow I prefer to do my business when I see my money rather than expecting some well behaving anonymous being true to his word that he will send me a check after I do my part (show the proof)...
Why don't you offer cool million - to make everything so much more convincing and exciting...?
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challenge to "beast 8692", post just one picture, just one that's it.
i can't find the right window for reflection, there's not enough clouds outside, i've just brushed my teeth, mom's washing is on the line, my mobile phone's charging and it's too hot to wear fifteen garments to cover ever inch of my body, save my arm. ;D
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i can't find the right window for reflection, there's not enough clouds outside, i've just brushed my teeth, mom's washing is on the line, my mobile phone's charging and it's too hot to wear fifteen garments to cover ever inch of my body, save my arm. ;D
hahahahhahaa, more bullshit, just one picture, what are you afraid of?
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I don't understand all the whining about the cost of Milos's products! When Muscletech introduced Anator P70 "muscle gene activator", I paid $89.99 for that crap. It tasted horrible and did absoutely nothing! I ended up throwing it out! Recently, I bought their new naNOVapor for $64.99...also a piece of garbage! Muscletech is a ripp-off brand! I have found over three dozen products in the market that cost equal to or MORE than KNS products...and they are all crap! KNS products are the first supplement's I've used that have delivered what they promise! When I train now, I not only have an insane pump, but unbelievable endurance as well. I've packed on over 10 pounds of muscle and dropped 3 inches off my waist in the last 60 days...and my metabolism is through the roof! Hell, with these kind of results, I'd gladly pay $100 per item!
Thank you Milos!!!
sure you did milos
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No...as the matter of fact I claim I "invented" (interesting choice of words) the measure that you should take for 1 IU of insulin...and said 10 grams of glucose per unit (in reality IF timing is perfect - many could get away with 6-7 grams per unit...but as it is "too close for comfort" I suggested TEN GRAMS PER UNIT).
At the time (1993) you could not find a SINGLE piece of information regarding that...
Few years later American Diabetic Association started using similar formulas...
But, off course - I am probably making this up as well...
Since than - I am 'specializing' on new "snake oils"...
well it is somewhat of an invention and if you really did come up with it you should be getting credit for it somewhere. Thats a big break through.. they woudlnt even be able to make insulin pumps then if it wasnt for you.
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I'm not so sure it would be that cut and dry. Certainly not on THIS board!
Are his products overpriced? I'm not so sure about that. Expensive, yes. There is a difference.
I'm sure some of you GB'ers have already done a search for the company he uses, Ajinomoto, (http://www.ajiaminoscience.com/frontpage_new.asp)- their shit ain't cheap!!!
I think Milos is getting what he feels is just for his product. And then you've got all these guys like Beast laying into him about it.
If you don't want to buy it, then don't! If you want to give it a try, by all means go ahead. Perhaps do what I did and buy your own products and try the method yourself and then use your empirical evidence to verify your own findings...the way Milos did.
As the saying goes..."arguing on the internet is like the Special Olympics...even if you win you're still retarded."
About that company he uses, ajinomoto, there is still not one fact presented that supports why their amino acids would be better than those sold by other manufacturers.
I am interested in these facts, not allegories about using the best possible oil for your car engine.
Facts.
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About that company he uses, ajinomoto, there is still not one fact presented that supports why their amino acids would be better than those sold by other manufacturers.
I am interested in these facts, not allegories about using the best possible oil for your car engine.
Facts.
didnt he say other amino acids companies use human hair?
i think thats a good enough reason isnt it?
the price tag is reasonable im sure it does cost A LOT of money and time to make the product. the question is .. is it really worth spending/investing that much money for YOU.. is it going to turn out with good enough results vs your dollar? thats a different question. you have to outweigh all the factors and what your goals are and what your level of experience is in putting on muscle/losing weight.
It is probably not worth the money to buy FOR A MAJORITY of people that are natural/amatuers because it would probably be better spent on either regular good clean food, or AAS. Many people who are getting into bodybuilding or are into bodybuilding dont have much money to fit regular bills in the first place. I doubt they have money to spend on extra amino acid supplements. If people are buying it, its because its new. What supplement besides multi vitamins/other vitamins minerals very few herb and protein powder has stuck around? The odds dont look good for Milos supplement.
There are a lot of factors that go into building a good physique, and I dont think amino acid supplementation is A BIG ENOUGH PERCENTAGE OF THAT PIE to go around buying bottles of it for the rate it costs to manufactre such a product.
Look at it like this, Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, Dorian Yates, Nasser, Ray, Levrone, Wheeler, Dillet, MILOS himself, etc etc...
they did not use this supplement to get in the best shape of their life. Nor did millions of other people that built a respectable physique. Those guys are genetically gifted obviously, but even regular fit looking people did not use this supplement to get into the shape most people dream of. and this amino acid supplement alone or even combined with ok training and good nutrition is not going to do i t. People cant even get 90% of the puzzle together like investing into 10% is going to get them anywhere satisfactory. Most people have a lot more important things to worry about than their amino acid intake....
like consuming too many caloreis.. making sure they ae pushing themselves hard enoguh, getting enough rest, eating a cleaner diet, doing propr cardio, using proper form. not neglecting bodyparts. GETTING TO THE GYM.
The bottom line is.. lets give Milos the benefit of the doubt. Lets say it does work. Lets say it increases performance/ results.. should that supplement really be bought because ts going to marginally increase your results? It depends. If you are in competition and you keep gettin second place to someone at a pro show and you need to do everything possible to overcome this ofcourse you should buy it. you need to do everything you can to succeed. Most likely that person is doing everything else right too though.
But if you are an amatuer bodybuilder, trying to afford your next cycle, or a natural athlete just trying to look fit. Your money would best be spent elsewhere.
Besides dont you have to use insulin supplementation to maximize your results with this supplement? Even a lot of pro bbers dont use insulin like some people are going to start drinking amino acid shakes and start supplemetning with humilin.
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didnt he say other amino acids companies use human hair?
i think thats a good enough reason isnt it?
Are you kidding me?!! Even if a certain brand used aminos from human hair how does that make it inferior? It doesn't! Aminos are aminos (even Layne Norton said this and he should know since he does research with individual aminos). If using the type of voodoo science that Milos uses you could even make a case for them being better. Prove they're not better. You can't.
I looked into this a while back and it's only one amino that is sometimes made from human hair (IIRC it was either cysteine or glycine). I asked a few big companies about their aminos and they stated they didn't use any human or animal material.
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Here's Justin Harris keeping it real regarding amino/carb shakes:
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Are you kidding me?!! Even if a certain brand used aminos from human hair how does that make it inferior? It doesn't! Aminos are aminos (even Layne Norton said this and he should know since he does research with individual aminos). If using the type of voodoo science that Milos uses you could even make a case for them being better. Prove they're not better. You can't.
I looked into this a while back and it's only one amino that is sometimes made from human hair (IIRC it was either cysteine or glycine). I asked a few big companies about their aminos and they stated they didn't use any human or animal material.
Milos is this true?
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hahahahhahaa, more bullshit, just one picture, what are you afraid of?
Careful, Squadfather, with a name like "Beast", this "guy" probably dwarfs Ronnie in his prime ::) ;D
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Here's Justin Harris keeping it real regarding amino/carb shakes:
I agree....I think the most important thing for post-workout, is not WHAT (shake, chicken, steak or whatever) you eat, but that you DO eat within a short time upon workout completion.
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I agree....I think the most important thing for post-workout, is not WHAT (shake, chicken, steak or whatever) you eat, but that you DO eat within a short time upon workout completion.
But you gotta wonder how big Ronnie could had been had he used ajinmoto aminos! At least 330lbs on stage! since you can gain 40lbs from the aminos.
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But you gotta wonder how big Ronnie could had been had he used ajinmoto aminos! At least 330lbs on stage! since you can gain 40lbs from the aminos.
LOOL.. my point exactly. you dont have to take this amino acid supplement, it might help, but its not a necessary part of the equation.
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Milos hasn't articulated why his product is any better than vitargo + eaa + creatine + whey
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Milos hasn't articulated why his product is any better than vitargo + eaa + creatine + whey
He has. Several times here and several more times on his board. I did this as well a while back.
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He has. Several times here and several more times on his board. I did this as well a while back.
how is the training going my man ?
I'm comming down there next spring before my show, hope I'll get some good workouts with you :D
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how is the training going my man ?
I'm comming down there next spring before my show, hope I'll get some good workouts with you :D
Very cool!
I just got back so haven't trained since Sunday and will probably take tomorrow off -- haven't slept in 3 days :P