Milos Drink?

[chaos]

I tried the drink and this happened  Now what 

terrible way to reveal your true identity

[D.L. 5]

20 / 4 = 5 min per set

figure that a set is probably 1 min long..you rest for 4 min?

 i do alot of negative work, and i have no training partner, so time is wasted for example:

on incline bench - i reach positive failure. then do a negative and rack the weight. remove the weight, take it to the top position, put the weight on again, and lower it in negative form. thats just one rep. i repeat that several times so that i have done about 4 negatives.

i do the same on hack squats. after normal failure. do a negative. remove the weight,put machine back to starting position, add the weight again and then do more negatives.

[D.L. 5]

MILOS!

[Milos_Sarcev]

Milos... I am kind of neutral on the whole 'buying your supplements or making my own'. I would want to try your line but I can only afford one jug at a time. Which shake (pre, during, and post-workout shakes) would you recommend if I were to only buy one.... Are any of them more important than the other? If so which is the most important to maximize one's growth. I figure I'll give it a try because as much as the haters will disagree, you sound like you know what your talking about. Thanks

PRELOAD + XXPLODE are absolutely necessary and dependent of each other...RELOAD is also special and important but in all honesty THAT ONE could be replaced with post workout shakes of anyone's choice.

PRELOAD should be taken 30 minutes before training - to start "blood saturation" of EXACT nutrients I would reccomend and XXPLOAD will continue delivering more nutrients during the workout as well as transport them into the cells of the working muscle - if used as directed (couple of sips after each set...or rather GIANT SET )

Again - as much as most of you think that I am typical salesman - I am not.
Certainly when I started taking advantage of increased blood flow to the muscle - I also started with several logical choices of supplements available on the market...

Reading the research - TONS OF research - which I will have to reference when the time comes...Experimenting and comparing different formulations on myself and numerous others I was improving the formula for almost a decade...

I do claim that I do have ABSOLUTELY the strongest anabolic/anti-catabolic combo of nutrients designed FOR my #1) blood flow to the muscle during the training theory and #2) my way of training (giant sets)

Everything is there FOR A REASON...so if I can suggest - save money to buy both...before you start using either....

While all my drinks would be anabolic alone - used in synergy deliever THE MOST.

[BEAST 8692]

sarcev's whole theory.

sugar to spike insulin, aminos (pre-digested protein) to be carried to muscles after the insulin spike.

giant sets providing best way of getting maximum blood volume into muscles for long enough = nutrients getting into muscle to do repair and growth.

the theory is bullshit because the blood already has all the required nutrients and flows to the muscles more efficiently when you aren't taking food into the gut.

now, granted, sipping a concoction like this is not going to cause a problem and will work to maintain your blood sugars, but the critical element bto this whole theory is the potential insulin spike.

the problem is, sugar is milos' answer to that equasion, and it's flawed for the reasons already mentioned. in fact it's dowright ludicrous.

if milos' theory was correct, diabetics (and athletes) would no longer have to inject insulin and milos would be a billionaire over night.

[Milos_Sarcev]

sarcev's whole theory.

sugar to spike insulin, aminos (pre-digested protein) to be carried to muscles after the insulin spike.

giant sets providing best way of getting maximum blood volume into muscles for long enough = nutrients getting into muscle to do repair and growth.

the theory is bullshit because the blood already has all the required nutrients and flows to the muscles more efficiently when you aren't taking food into the gut.

now, granted, sipping a concoction like this is not going to cause a problem and will work to maintain your blood sugars, but the critical element bto this whole theory is the potential insulin spike.

the problem is, sugar is milos' answer to that equasion, and it's flawed for the reasons already mentioned. in fact it's dowright ludicrous.

if milos' theory was correct, diabetics (and athletes) would no longer have to inject insulin and milos would be a billionaire over night.

Some people's stupidity amazes me...and your's actually shocks me.
Please do me (all of us) a favor - and forget about computer for a while (long, long while...) and as you are doing it - pick up some text books from elementary school to learn basics first-graders already know..

It is painful to listen what you have to say...

[Armageddon]

PRELOAD + XXPLODE are absolutely necessary and dependent of each other...RELOAD is also special and important but in all honesty THAT ONE could be replaced with post workout shakes of anyone's choice.

PRELOAD should be taken 30 minutes before training - to start "blood saturation" of EXACT nutrients I would reccomend and XXPLOAD will continue delivering more nutrients during the workout as well as transport them into the cells of the working muscle - if used as directed (couple of sips after each set...or rather GIANT SET )

Again - as much as most of you think that I am typical salesman - I am not.
Certainly when I started taking advantage of increased blood flow to the muscle - I also started with several logical choices of supplements available on the market...

Reading the research - TONS OF research - which I will have to reference when the time comes...Experimenting and comparing different formulations on myself and numerous others I was improving the formula for almost a decade...

I do claim that I do have ABSOLUTELY the strongest anabolic/anti-catabolic combo of nutrients designed FOR my #1) blood flow to the muscle during the training theory and #2) my way of training (giant sets)

Everything is there FOR A REASON...so if I can suggest - save money to buy both...before you start using either....

While all my drinks would be anabolic alone - used in synergy deliever THE MOST.

Nutrition facts??

[D.L. 5]

milos, like i said before....will this apply to a short workout like high intensity training with only 4-5 sets and lasting only 15-20 minutes in total?

i know this may seem stupid question to u because u know so much. but i need to know as i plan myself.

[D.L. 5]

hey honest,

i think this is what u want:

http://koloseum.com/store/ProductDetail.asp?bDetail=T&IDProduct=2&iNum=1

it has it for each product.

[D.L. 5]

forget about it 

[BEAST 8692]

Some people's stupidity amazes me...and your's actually shocks me.
Please do me (all of us) a favor - and forget about computer for a while (long, long while...) and as you are doing it - pick up some text books from elementary school to learn basics first-graders already know..

It is painful to listen what you have to say...

well, as your client, garraeth pointed out in disgusted's thread, when people get backed into a corner because they are lying, they start getting angry.

milos, you are consistant every time you post here. when you are cross examined you come out with petty insults and sarcasm. you think you're funny but in reality your posts have meltdown written all over them.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PROVE ME WRONG and, what the hell, i'll cancel my account altogether. i'll even pay pal you $1000- to purchase all your sugar in fancy tubs.

[honest]

Thanks Bro got it, the amino content isnt specific enough though i would love to know how much glutamine is in each serve, glutamine is quite cheap to make in comparison to the branch chain aminos and essentials.
But it is a quality product, testing has been done by the company involved years ago where i recall that 2grams of essential aminos was the equivalent of a small 100 gram steak at blood values for protein dont ask me to prove it, i can hardly recall it, but top quality aminos will cost you between 50 cents and 1 dollar a gram but not glutamine.I think the productis definatly beneficial if you can afford it, 30 grams of aminos during your most anabolic time but at 225 per 15 serves for all three, its not cheap, but its a quality product and certainly beneficial to those guys who can afford it. 

[mantronik]

simply go back to your own crappy board and peddle your shit.

 

[honest]

bit of a self meltdown, test certainly kicked in 

[SteelePegasus]

Thanks Bro got it, the amino content isnt specific enough though i would love to know how much glutamine is in each serve, glutamine is quite cheap to make in comparison to the branch chain aminos and essentials.
But it is a quality product, testing has been done by the company involved years ago where i recall that 2grams of essential aminos was the equivalent of a small 100 gram steak at blood values for protein dont ask me to prove it, i can hardly recall it, but top quality aminos will cost you between 50 cents and 1 dollar a gram but not glutamine.I think the productis definatly beneficial if you can afford it, 30 grams of aminos during your most anabolic time but at 225 per 15 serves for all three, its not cheap, but its a quality product and certainly beneficial to those guys who can afford it. 

please, show me the study that conclusively states that glutamine does anything on a health person

[Benny B]

please, show me the study that conclusively states that glutamine does anything on a health person

By the tone of this post, I think I agree with you. Just do a test on yourself with high doses of glutamine peptides and see what it does for you, assuming you are a healthy person. You may as well take your money and burn it.

[Benny B]

Why wouldn't I just down two scoops of whey protein with gatorade before and after my workouts instead of buying this overpriced shit? 

[D.L. 5]

Why wouldn't I just down two scoops of whey protein with gatorade before and after my workouts instead of buying this overpriced shit? 

If u have the money it is the easiest option to purchase this drink, however if u wanna save ur money and have the time, the best alternative is to do this:

get  BCAA Powder, L-Methionine powder, Lysine Powder, Ornithine Powder, (screw the glutamine), some creatine ethyl ester, some protein, and some glucose.

u would mix these together and u have a very similar product.

[D.L. 5]

please, show me the study that conclusively states that glutamine does anything on a health person

glutamine taken orally for recovery and l-carnitine (for fat loss) - the two biggest myths and scandals in the bodybuilding world.

[mantronik]

bit of a self meltdown, test certainly kicked in 

Glad you see it for yourself

[Benny B]

If u have the money it is the easiest option to purchase this drink, however if u wanna save ur money and have the time, the best alternative is to do this:

get  BCAA Powder, L-Methionine powder, Lysine Powder, Ornithine Powder, (screw the glutamine), some creatine ethyl ester, some protein, and some glucose.

u would mix these together and u have a very similar product.

Why buy BCAA powder (been there-done that) when a decent whey has a ton of bcaa's. ON's Whey powder is going to give you something in the order of 10 grams of bcaa's in a couple of scoops. Add your carb beverage of choice for quick absorbtion (Carbo Force perhaps or whatever ABB calls their carb drink nowadays) and bam!...you have your pre and post workout drink that saves you about $100 bucks compared to this Milos stuff. Creatine...is creatine. The creatine I took in 1996 was very effective...I don't need some fancy overpriced crap now. You can but Body Fortress creatine at WalMart and get the results creatine provides.

I'm trying to save you kids money, but if you want to burn it just send it to me instead.  Do steroids if you wanna spend a lot of money and get a real return on your money.

[D.L. 5]

hahaha benny blanco.

i totally forgot about the whey's having the bcaa's, i remember reading it has made most bcaa's products obsolete or not important cos u get it with the whey.

then this product is truly not only stupid but a waste of money.

"HEY, ANYBODY WANT SOME SNAKE OIL...I GOT SOME FOR 70 BUCKS A POP"

[BEAST 8692]

i think it is obvious by now that milos can't back his bs. exactly the same as his bs about paul chua, claiming he has all this evidence and he's going to confound us all with his brilliance, but a full year later we got squat.

milos is a real nice guy until you question him, at which point he turns into an arrogant prick.

good to see that guys can think for themselves here at getbig and don't get bullied by the mind.

you guys are dead right about the aminos. isolated aminos have been credited with everything from mimicking anabolic steroids (yes, believe it or not, branch chained aminos initially were), mimicking gh (anyone remember the touted arginine and ornithine taken on an empty stomach was supposed to release gh ), chromium - insulin and now milos wants us to believe his protein and sugar will mimic all of the above (lmao, i can't believe this snake oil salesman) and you DAMNED WELL BETTER BELIEVE HIM OR HE'LL ....call you names. .

the simple fact is, the sugars you'll find in milos' drink are NO MORE INSULIN STIMULATING than the sugar you'll find in a can of coke. in fact i would love to compare the gi of both because i have a feeling that the can of coke by itself will have a higher gi.

so where's the secret? the aminos? lmfao, give me a break.

let me tell you something. all the aminos in that $210 u.s rip off wouldn't amount to those you'd find in a couple of pounds of beef, and a healthy human body will do a far better job digesting and assimilating the aminos from that beef than ANY LAB IN THE WORLD.

so again i will implore milos, please attempt to prove me wrong. we could all do with another laugh.

that aside, i have no doubt that milos knows a great deal about drugs. he has been a very successful pro bber in the past and always competed in superb shape against the best bbers in the world. his knowledge base for all those years of top flight competition must be incredible and i absolutely recognise that and respect him for it. in fact i have been a great supporter of milos in many getbig debates.

drugs are very different to food/food supplements though (despite what milos and the rest of the multi billion dollar supplement industry would want you to believe) and milos should no better than to come to a discerning and largely uncensored site like getbig and pedal his crap. to me it shows incredible arrogance even for him. he should have kept that crap over at his site and promoted the hell out of it. i wouldn't have said, 'boo'. he could happily rip off as many people as he liked.

however, to come on here and try and piss on us and tell us it's lemonade? well...it's just a bit too rich for my taste.

[Milos_Sarcev]

well, as your client, garraeth pointed out in disgusted's thread, when people get backed into a corner because they are lying, they start getting angry.

milos, you are consistant every time you post here. when you are cross examined you come out with petty insults and sarcasm. you think you're funny but in reality your posts have meltdown written all over them.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PROVE ME WRONG and, what the hell, i'll cancel my account altogether. i'll even pay pal you $1000- to purchase all your sugar in fancy tubs.

What do I need to prove to you to get $1000.00?

You did get my interest

So, to be clear - what exactly do I need to prove - as apparently I am "cornered" and getting angry .

You are not just stupid...but...OK, I'll be nice - maybe you ARE ready to send me so money....so: hit me with your best shot.

[BEAST 8692]

What do I need to prove to you to get $1000.00?

You did get my interest

So, to be clear - what exactly do I need to prove - as apparently I am "cornered" and getting angry .

You are not just stupid...but...OK, I'll be nice - maybe you ARE ready to send me so money....so: hit me with your best shot.

simple

easiest grand you'll ever make. simply prove any one of these:

PROVE TO ME THAT YOUR PRODUCT WILL MIMIC INSULIN.

PROVE TO ME THAT A SERVING OF YOUR PRODUCT IS ACTUALLY ANABOLIC (as you have claimed)

PROVE TO ME THAT THE AMINO ACIDS CONTAINED IN A SERVING OF YOUR PRODUCT ARE ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE AMINO ACIDS YOU'LL FIND IN ANY COMPLETE PROTEIN.

PROVE TO ME THAT SIMPLY TAKING REGULAR SERVINGS OF YOUR PRODUCT WILL, ON IT'S OWN (REMEMBER IT'S ANABOLIC) CAUSE ANYONE TO GAIN 30 - 40 LBS OF MUSCLE.

in short, all i want you to do is prove what you claim. can you do that now mr mind or do you want to bullshit for another 15 pages?