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Ronnie Coleman at the Press Conference for the 04 Olympia, discuss.
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how much smaller was he at the show?
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how much smaller was he at the show?
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who knows, i just watched BFTO 04 and he was fuccking HUUUUUGE at the press conference, i had to watch it a couple of times to get an idea, check out some pics of him in the light blue t shirt where he gets up on the press conference table.
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I am still amazed at his size from the Unbelievable video! Nobody comes close to being as big or freacky!
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I am still amazed at his size from the Unbelievable video! Nobody comes close to being as big or freacky!
yeah he was huge and ripped in that vid, insane.
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Strange thing is that at the 04 O. press conference he was looking drier than he did at the prejudging.
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Ronnie Coleman at the Press Conference for the 04 Olympia, discuss.
Nope. Kovacs has been 440 lbs off'season and 400 lbs with a six-pack. That beats any version of Coleman by a wide margin - 100 lbs of muscle more.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Nope. Kovacs has been 440 lbs off'season and 400 lbs with a six-pack. That beats any version of Coleman by a wide margin - 100 lbs of muscle more.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
and yet he somehow LOOKS smaller than Ronnie.
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Nope. Kovacs has been 440 lbs off'season and 400 lbs with a six-pack. That beats any version of Coleman by a wide margin - 100 lbs of muscle more.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
pics?
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and yet he somehow LOOKS smaller than Ronnie.
;D wahaha
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and yet he somehow LOOKS smaller than Ronnie.
Are you delusional? Ronnie is small compared to the Kovacs of some years back. Even when it comes to arms, Kovacs were bigger. Ronnie at his biggest had 23" arms vs 28" for Kovacs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Are you delusional? Ronnie is small compared to the Kovacs of some years back. Even when it comes to arms, Kovacs were bigger. Ronnie at his biggest had 23" arms vs 28" for Kovacs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
hahahahaha, 28 inch arms? ok man. ;D
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Are you delusional? Ronnie is small compared to the Kovacs of some years back. Even when it comes to arms, Kovacs were bigger. Ronnie at his biggest had 23" arms vs 28" for Kovacs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
28" arms yeah maybe off season with 15 % BF, Kovacs was/is a joke. He is the definition of GH gut, he started it all....well him and palumbo ;D
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Are you delusional? Ronnie is small compared to the Kovacs of some years back. Even when it comes to arms, Kovacs were bigger. Ronnie at his biggest had 23" arms vs 28" for Kovacs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
your argument is useless without comparison pics.
and you are losing badly........
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someone post a picture of this so name called biggest bodybuilder KOVACS
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ya Ronnie takes the cake as far as huge freak. Dennis James is not far behind. Dude is a house
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someone post a picture of this so name called biggest bodybuilder KOVACS
Just google GH GUT, i am sure you will find a thread upteen years back with a pic.
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(http://www.kulturystyka.org.pl/gwiazdy/greg/08.jpg)
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(http://www.kulturystyka.org.pl/gwiazdy/greg/08.jpg)
hahahahaha, 28 inch arms? ;D
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(http://www.kulturystyka.org.pl/gwiazdy/greg/08.jpg)
does anyone know for a fact what causes the skin discoloration?
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28inch arms whereee dude i cant see ;D
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hahahahaha, 28 inch arms? ok man. ;D
no, his arms were measured at 28" by Johnny Fitness.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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no, his arms were measured at 28" by Johnny Fitness.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
the name "johnny fitness" sounds less credible than a name like "suckmymuscle" :P
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28" arms yeah maybe off season with 15 % BF, Kovacs was/is a joke. He is the definition of GH gut, he started it all....well him and palumbo ;D
I never said that he was a great bodybuilder. My point was that he is incredibly massive. Remember that he is taller than CVoleman and has much bigger bones. Coleman 2003/4 has more relative muscle mass than Kovacs, but Kovacs has the most absolute muscle.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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hahahahaha, 28 inch arms? ;D
This picture shows a dieted down and going downhill Kovacs. Check out some of his pics from 1999. Only a gorilla could match that size.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/gregkovacs9.jpg)
Arms: 26"
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/gregkovacs.html (http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/gregkovacs.html)
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(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/gregkovacs9.jpg)
Arms: 26"
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/gregkovacs.html (http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/gregkovacs.html)
hahahahaha, 28 inch arms that somehow look 3-4 inches smaller than Ronnie's 22's. ::)
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I saw Paul Dillet at 300lbs , and Kovacks at 340lbs, both guest posing. Dillet looked two times bigger then Kovacks .
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(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/gregkovacs6.jpg)
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epic 7 inch nipples.
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I saw Paul Dillet at 300lbs , and Kovacks at 340lbs, both guest posing. Dillet looked two times bigger then Kovacks .
I've seen Kovacs in person. All hype, he's not that big. I don't believe those BS numbers.
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I saw Klaus Doring curling 15's and sipping protein from a huge glass beaker. The man was huge!
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I saw Klaus Doring curling 15's and sipping protein from a huge glass beaker. The man was huge!
hahahahahhaa.
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As the picture posted above proves, Kovacs had immense arms. Even when dieted down, they are 24" to 26". I have seen off-season pics of Kovacs where his arms are much bigger than in the top pitcture.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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As the picture posted above proves, Kovacs had immense arms. Even when dieted down, they are 24" to 26". I have seen off-season pics of Kovacs where his arms are much bigger than in the top pitcture.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
SUCKY you have to know by now we're talking relative size, meaning volume; Kovaks' arms whatever they actually measure aren't that impressive relative to his height.
Sheer size relative to height and bone structure it's gotta be Coleman then Dillet. Most of the taller BBs like Kovaks or Ferrigno didn't have great size relative to height.
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he had the largest arms in the world!
he sold millions of muscletech products.
his video GREG KOVACS: THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE inspired many to get massed.
HE IS : GREG KOVACS 'THE STRONGEST MAN IN THE WORLD'!
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Vic Richards was one of the largest bodybuilers of ALL-TIME, dwarfing an off-season Dorian and Dillet in 1994. HE weighed around 370 pounds at 5'9"-5'10", compared to Kovacs who was 6'2"-6'3".
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Claims to be the biggest.
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SUCKY you have to know by now we're talking relative size, meaning volume; Kovaks' arms whatever they actually measure aren't that impressive relative to his height.
Sheer size relative to height and bone structure it's gotta be Coleman then Dillet. Most of the taller BBs like Kovaks or Ferrigno didn't have great size relative to height.
Read my post on the first page and you'll see that I mentioned that. I never said that Kovacs is more muscular than Coleman; I said that he carries more muscle. Obviously, Coleman carries far more muscle than Kovacs relative to his height and skeletal frame. Kovacs is 3 or 4" taller than Coleman and has much, much thicker bones. It is not that hard to have 28" arms when you're 6'3 and have wrists as thick as logs. Look at an elephant and you'll see that it carries 5 or 6 tons of lean muscle mass despite never working out due to it's gigantic bones. Kovac's arms would need to be 33" for him to have the relative size of Coleman. The point, however, is that Kovacs arms are bigger in absolute terms.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Game over!
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It is not that hard to have 28" arms when you're 6'3 and have wrists as thick as logs.
Have you ever met Kovacs? His wrists are not as thick as logs. After all the bullshit claims when I finally met him, I wanted to laugh.. a big guy yes, but 400 lbs with 28 arms... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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Have you ever met Kovacs? His wrists are not as thick as logs. After all the bullshit claims when I finally met him, I wanted to laugh.. a big guy yes, but 400 lbs with 28 arms... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Idiot. I am using metaphoric language. Of course his wrists are not literally as thick as logs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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not every physique looks its best on stage. eg- kovacs and vic richards look great lean, but not as impressive when fully dieted down (vic still looks good dieted down though). anyway, the genetics to combine them all, then have the joints, the hip ratio, etc is much harder.
greg kovacs is fuckin huge end of story. on stage....others will beat him. but he is immortal for his monster size.
howver his one appearance at that arnold classic was the funniest thing ever...even dorian was laughing on the commentary. easily the funniest thing i ever seen.
he looked like a cambodian villager on steroids.
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The point, however, is that Kovacs arms are bigger in absolute terms.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
No one said anything about just using absolute terms, plus Kovak's measurements are speculation.
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Brutal stretch marks on Kovacs' chest in the last pic.
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no, his arms were measured at 28" by Johnny Fitness.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
there was a pic on a 1997 MuscleMag that showed the 27 inch arm or Kovacs. This was when Muscletech was promoting him heavily, he actually looked decent compare to that recent pic...Musclemag was constantly hounding him to compete after he won his pro card.... and the posted pic is the end result after a few other tries.
He was suppose to be about 330-345 back in 1997. If ND was here he'd have the cover of the MuscleMag...
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NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT... what the hell did kovacs do all these years since he didnt compete?
he probably just collected cheques from muscletech and trained.
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Kovacs wasn't that big, there's no way his arms were ever CLOSE to 28", cmon now. His might,could & perhaps, possibly be touching 24, but no more than that, and that's streching it. This is a true display of the Muscletech hypemachine and how well it had worked/works.
Peace
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Heres a few pics of Kovacs, including one 'measuring' 26". Cant say for certain what size they were but they looked pretty huge:
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Dunno about 28" but they were pretty huge. Heres a few pics of when he looked his biggest, including one 'measuring' his arm at 26":
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Kovacs was just a "big" guy bottom line, even if he never touched a weight he'd be "big". He is tall with a gigantic structure same with a guy like Ronnie, he would look like a big guy even if he only worked out casually. The problem with Kovacs was his prep for pro shows was terrible, what show did he turn pro at? Was it the Canada cup? He looked pretty good there.
Ronnie was probably the biggest guy in shape on stage at the 04 press conference but there have been guys who have looked totally outlandish in terms of pure size but not anywhere near that type of condition.
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Nope. Kovacs has been 440 lbs off'season and 400 lbs with a six-pack. That beats any version of Coleman by a wide margin - 100 lbs of muscle more.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
??? Kovacs was/is and always will be a FAT slob and the sooner you stop being naive and believing all that muscletech bullshit, the better. Hope this helps.
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(http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/982494.1142997785178.Anson_Quincy.JPG)
(http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/980771.1142917659064.Anson_Dominic.JPG)
Quincy Taylor.
Oh and he's not a bodybuilder, but here's strongman Dominic Filiou making QT look like a child. He's 6'6 and 420lbs..
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(http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/982494.1142997785178.Anson_Quincy.JPG)
(http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/980771.1142917659064.Anson_Dominic.JPG)
Quincy Taylor.
Oh and he's not a bodybuilder, but here's strongman Dominic Filiou making QT look like a child. He's 6'6 and 420lbs..
Is that you 'coach' ?
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Is that you 'coach' ?
No it isn't me. I assume you ask because you have an uncontrollable urge to drill this guy's ass. If that's the case I could point you towards the forum I found them?
I doubt he gives it up easy though.
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QT has more lean mass than the strong man does, and no he doesn't make QT look like a child, considering that they are not side by side, and Dominic is wearing a huge black tee draped over him
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No it isn't me. I assume you ask because you have an uncontrollable urge to drill this guy's ass. If that's the case I could point you towards the forum I found them?
I doubt he gives it up easy though.
brutal hyperdefensive overeaction to a simple question. :-[
based on this i think we can all assume that this person is indeed coach.
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hahaha they are using cheating tactics with the tape measurer.
Notice how the tape is on an angle.. well if they did it straight it would be no bigger then 24.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=160371.0;attach=183194;image)
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hahaha they are using cheating tactics with the tape measurer.
Notice how the tape is on an angle.. well if they did it straight it would be no bigger then 24.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=160371.0;attach=183194;image)
true and that is obviously an offseason arm (note lack of seperation and condition) and even with the tape at a slant (with his arm also pulled down) the arm is closer to 25.5". i don't see how he gains an extra 3".
maybe coach has got it confused with the dildo his boyfriend used on him last night. :-X
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Count the inches in front in that pic and you know they had pinched the tape in the back. I'd say about 22 inches at the most there.
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If we're gonna say dude had 26's, let's just round it off to 30". ::)
In conclusion, Kovacs was:
6' 8"
475 lbs
30" arms
42" thighs
28" neck
3,000 pound bench press
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The Kovacs arm measuring photo is a fake...
If you count them, you can clearly see that there are only 9 or 10 inches of the graduated tape showing in the picture... doubling that (a circular or oval cross-section always presents half to 60% of it's circumferential surface, irrespective of angle) would make Kovacs' arm somewhere in the environs of 19 to 21 inches at biggest. The tape is pinched and pegged on the other side... it's an old trick.
My guess would be that Kovacs had a legit 20'' or 21'' arm in the off-season, dropping to 19''/20'' precontest.
This corresponds quite well with his actual bodyweight... there are anthropometric restrictions on human muscular development: certain ratios which cannot be surpassed.
Another example of this is Arnold's claim of a 20'' arm early in his career; which became a 21'' arm during his Olympia reign; which became a 21.5'' arm in the early editions of "Education of a Bodybuilder"; which became a 22'' arm in later editions despite the fact his bodyweight changed very little... whereas in reality, the only way to have legitimate 22'' arms sub 10% bodyfat at 5'10''ish is to weigh over 300 lbs... the only way to have 22'' arms at a lean bodyweight below 300 lbs is to be 5' tall.
Hope this puts things in perspective.
The Luke
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Do you still think Squadfather is a 14 year old boy ::)
Why don't you post 'the letter' ::)
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Kovacs was just a "big" guy bottom line, even if he never touched a weight he'd be "big". He is tall with a gigantic structure same with a guy like Ronnie, he would look like a big guy even if he only worked out casually. The problem with Kovacs was his prep for pro shows was terrible, what show did he turn pro at? Was it the Canada cup? He looked pretty good there.
Ronnie was probably the biggest guy in shape on stage at the 04 press conference but there have been guys who have looked totally outlandish in terms of pure size but not anywhere near that type of condition.
Exactly. This is what the morons here don't comprehend. When you're 6'3 with wrists as thick as logs, having 28" arms is not that hard. I'd say that any guy this height and with these huge bones who workout out seriously and took massive amounts of sauce, GH and insulin for years in a row can have a muscular 28" arms. Coleman's 23" arms are far more impressive than Kovac's because he is a man of average height and possesed of average bone size. Ronnie probably does have a superior amount of fast twitch type II muscle fibers, but it is still incredible that he achieved a muscular 22" to 23" arms with his average sized bones.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Vic Richards was one of the largest bodybuilers of ALL-TIME, dwarfing an off-season Dorian and Dillet in 1994. HE weighed around 370 pounds at 5'9"-5'10", compared to Kovacs who was 6'2"-6'3".
hi vic.
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hahahahaha, 370 pounds at 5'9", ok "danimal". ;D
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You guys are simply wrong...
No human being under 7'6'' tall has ever had a lean 28'' arm.
Look up the anthropometric data on mountain gorillas... a 600 lb male silverback gorilla 5'6'' tall and less than 10% bodyfat with wrists over 10'' wouldn't have an arm even approaching 25'' (19 or 21 inches would be more likely).
If you think a bodybuilder less than half the size has bigger measurements you probably follow the Joe Weider principles.
Morons.
The Luke
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You guys are simply wrong...
No human being under 7'6'' tall has ever had a lean 28'' arm.
Look up the anthropometric data on mountain gorillas... a 600 lb male silverback gorilla 5'6'' tall and less than 10% bodyfat with wrists over 10'' wouldn't have an arm even approaching 25'' (19 or 21 inches would be more likely).
If you think a bodybuilder less than half the size has bigger measurements you probably follow the Joe Weider principles.
Morons.
The Luke
Idiotic argument, because silverback gorillas have two to three times the the rib cage size and torso of male Humans. Most of their weight comes from their enormous torso mass and not the arms. Compare the circumference of the torso of a silverback gorilla to Ronnie and you'll see that it's twice as big. Human bodybuiilder get most of their bodyweight from back and quad development. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I have bfto 2004
and coleman is MASSIVE on that dvd..
stupid big..
even when he was trainin in that red tshirt ...massive..
at the press conference he dwarfed evryone ... on size.. and condition..
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Kovacs is a bum. Palumbo claimed he stepped right through his hottub. .
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Idiotic argument, because silverback gorillas have two to three times the the rib cage size and torso of male Humans. Most of their weight comes from their enormous torso mass and not the arms. Compare the circumference of the torso of a silverback gorilla to Ronnie and you'll see that it's twice as big. Human bodybuiilder get most of their bodyweight from back and quad development. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
...point taken, but that explains how a gorilla could be maybe twice the size of a human, not three times. At only 5'6'' high 600 lbs is pretty stout... the simple fact is no human has 28'' arms.
If Kovacs arms were 28'' they'd be a couple of inches taller; tricep belly to bicep peak than his head... they plainly aren't... remember, Valentino's arms are only 24 inches.
My argument isn't idiotic, the idea that any human has arms 62% thicker than a 600 lb gorilla is...
Grow up suckmymuscle. There's no tooth fairy, there's no Santa, there's no god... and there are no 28'' human arms in modern history.
The Luke
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Ronnie is superior. Kovacs couldn't handle the drug use and shrunk, but Ronnie got bigger and bigger.
Ronnie is a freak of nature.
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...point taken, but that explains how a gorilla could be maybe twice the size of a human, not three times. At only 5'6'' high 600 lbs is pretty stout... the simple fact is no human has 28'' arms.
If Kovacs arms were 28'' they'd be a couple of inches taller; tricep belly to bicep peak than his head... they plainly aren't... remember, Valentino's arms are only 24 inches.
My argument isn't idiotic, the idea that any human has arms 62% thicker than a 600 lb gorilla is...
Grow up suckmymuscle. There's no tooth fairy, there's no Santa, there's no god... and there are no 28'' human arms in modern history.
The Luke
You are plain wrong. End of story. The torso of silverbacks are so huge that it gives them their massive bodyweight. Both the legs and arms of silverback gorillas are short and stubby.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dude, you are retarded...
"Short and stubby" arms... WTF?... the fingertip to fingertip span of the largest male silverback (5'6'' and 640 lbs) was 9'2''...
What's your definition of short?
...the arms only look stubby because they are 20'' in circumference... which proves my point, if an anthropoid animal with 3'6'' long arms has big thick upper arms that still appear big and muscular in comparison to it's 100+ inch ribcage and they're only 20ish inches, then there's no possible way a human with a 60 inch chest could have 28'' arms. Few pro bodybuilders even have 30'' legs.
You're either delusional or infantile... you're arguing the indefensible.
The Luke
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All muscletech. Post recent pics of this so-called mass monster. Not pics from 1997. He looks like a bag of shit. I give him 2 - 5 years top to live given his extreme levels of past drug use.
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Dude, you are retarded...
"Short and stubby" arms... WTF?... the fingertip to fingertip span of the largest male silverback (5'6'' and 640 lbs) was 9'2''...
What's your definition of short?
...the arms only look stubby because they are 20'' in circumference... which proves my point, if an anthropoid animal with 3'6'' long arms has big thick upper arms that still appear big and muscular in comparison to it's 100+ inch ribcage and they're only 20ish inches, then there's no possible way a human with a 60 inch chest could have 28'' arms. Few pro bodybuilders even have 30'' legs.
You're either delusional or infantile... you're arguing the indefensible.
The Luke
I am seriously embarassed for you, by your total incapacity to understand basic logic. The silverback's gorillas arms can be only 20" despite him weighting 600 lbs because his torso is 3 times bigger than a man's. So you claiming that Kovacs could not possibly have 28" arms because a silverback has smaller arms while weighting more is irrelevant. Get it? The torso of a silverback iis much, much bigger in proportion to his arms than the arms of a Human are to his. The only retard here is you, who is arguing a lost cause for no other reason than to save face. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I thought you didn't understand my argument suckmymuscle... but it seems you just don't understand.... anything.
If you think Greg Kovacs has arms bigger and thicker than even the largest male silverback gorilla you must be a Flex-memorizing moron...
Gorillas have short and stubby arms?... their arms can often be 3.5' long... that's longer than almost any human arm... if what you say is true silverback's arms would look like twigs next to their huge torsos and that simply is not the case...
Ahh what's the point, you're right suckmymuscle... Greg Kovacs has/had 28'' arms and is/was bigger and more muscular than the largest male mountain gorilla ever measured despite the fact that gorilla weighed 640 lbs at 5'6''.
Let me know how the Weider principles work for ya.
The Luke
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...point taken, but that explains how a gorilla could be maybe twice the size of a human, not three times. At only 5'6'' high 600 lbs is pretty stout... the simple fact is no human has 28'' arms.
If Kovacs arms were 28'' they'd be a couple of inches taller; tricep belly to bicep peak than his head... they plainly aren't... remember, Valentino's arms are only 24 inches.
My argument isn't idiotic, the idea that any human has arms 62% thicker than a 600 lb gorilla is...
Grow up suckmymuscle. There's no tooth fairy, there's no Santa, there's no god, there's no Bigfoot... and there are no 28'' human arms in modern history .
The Luke
You missed one.
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I think Luke is just trying to have a little fun with us. ;)
First sasquatch, and now gorillas?
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your argument is useless without comparison pics.
and you are losing badly........
gee what else is new? Suckmyasshole loses yet another argument.. :-\
he gets his ass kicked on the truce thread daily..
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I thought you didn't understand my argument suckmymuscle... but it seems you just don't understand.... anything.
If you think Greg Kovacs has arms bigger and thicker than even the largest male silverback gorilla you must be a Flex-memorizing moron...
Gorillas have short and stubby arms?... their arms can often be 3.5' long... that's longer than almost any human arm... if what you say is true silverback's arms would look like twigs next to their huge torsos and that simply is not the case...
Ahh what's the point, you're right suckmymuscle... Greg Kovacs has/had 28'' arms and is/was bigger and more muscular than the largest male mountain gorilla ever measured despite the fact that gorilla weighed 640 lbs at 5'6''.
Let me know how the Weider principles work for ya.
The Luke
Wtf are you talking about ??? The arms of a Human are much, much bigger in relation to the torso than those of a gorilla. If you shaved a gorilla and put him in a bodybuilding stage, the first thing that the judges would notice is just how tiny the arms are in relation to the monstrous torso. Factor in the diameter of the arms of a Human in relation to the diameter of his chest cavity and you'll see that the discrepancy is much lower than that between the diameter of the arms of a silverback in relation to his chest cavity.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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ronnie and gunter in 2004
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:o
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Look how he dwarfs Gunthers arms.......... :D
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gee what else is new? Suckmyasshole loses yet another argument.. :-\
he gets his ass kicked on the truce thread daily..
...I think suckmymuscle is trolling for an argument, no one could be that stupid and still be able to type.
The Luke
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...I think suckmymuscle is trolling for an argument, no one could be that stupid and still be able to type.
The Luke
you would be surpised how Stupid the people insisting dorian is better than Ronnie can be.
it boggles the mind..even the other getbiggers say so.. :-\
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gee what else is new? Suckmyasshole loses yet another argument.. :-\
he gets his ass kicked on the truce thread daily..
Ok. I am still waiting for you to make a single concisive argumetn for why Ronnie would defeat Dorian while having the I.F.B.B judging criteria in mind. You have failed to provide that. I have made several long posts explaining why Dorian is better, and you simply ignored it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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...I think suckmymuscle is trolling for an argument, no one could be that stupid and still be able to type.
The Luke
Don't be so happy fopr having Huckster agree with your post, because he's biased and hates me. The fact is that I have proved you wrong using logic, and my argument is right and yours is not. The fact is that a Human can have bigger arms than a silverback gorilla while weighting less because the torso of a siverback is much larger. The fact is that you got owned. It's not my fault that your pea brain is unable to understand a simple concept such as this. There are many men in the World with arms bigger than a silverback's gorillas. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I am seriously embarassed for you, by your total incapacity to understand basic logic. The silverback's gorillas arms can be only 20" despite him weighting 600 lbs because his torso is 3 times bigger than a man's. So you claiming that Kovacs could not possibly have 28" arms because a silverback has smaller arms while weighting more is irrelevant. Get it? The torso of a silverback iis much, much bigger in proportion to his arms than the arms of a Human are to his. The only retard here is you, who is arguing a lost cause for no other reason than to save face. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Hey, everyone, here's my post where I owned the stupid bitch, "The Luke". 8)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Ok. I am still waiting for you to make a single concisive argumetn for why Ronnie would defeat Dorian while having the I.F.B.B judging criteria in mind. You have failed to provide that. I have made several long posts explaining why Dorian is better, and you simply ignored it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
all the long winded explanations in the world cannot overcome the reality of the comparisons..
everyone can see that.
its why, when shown the comparison pics, everyone votes ronnie, and no one except you and two others, vote dorian.
and I don't 'hate' you, so that has nothing to do with me diagreeing with your post. I just think you are a complete moron who lives for dorian's sperm pudding.
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Hulkster,
This guy (suckmymuscle) seems to be taking unction at the idea that 600 lb gorillas have bigger arms than human beings... because he seems to believe Kovacs' arms might have been close on 28''.
Despite the fact that a photo of Kovacs' offseason arm shows a height of 9ish inches, which makes his arm 19 to 21 inches at biggest... with 19 being more realistic.
It's a simple fact that no normally structured human being (5'10''ish) has lean (10%bf) arms:
...over 19'' without being over 200 lbs
...over 20'' without being over 250 lbs
...over 21'' without being over 275 lbs
...over 22'' without being over 300 lbs
...over 23'' without being over 350 lbs
...a 28'' arm would require a lean body mass of approximately 550 to 650 lbs (which, surprise-surprise correlates very well with the gorilla data, allowing for structural differences).
Dorian Yates (never a bullshitter) claimed that at 280 lbs (10% bf) his arm had a cold measurement of just over 20 inches... how people are still swallowing the claims of people like Flex Wheeler purporting to have 23.5'' arms at 230 lbs just boggles my mind.
The Luke
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all the long winded explanations in the world cannot overcome the reality of the comparisons..
everyone can see that.
No, you have yet to explain why Ronnie 1999 would defeat Dorian Yates through the rounds of a bodybuilding contest. Bodybuilding contests are evaluated for two things:
Muscularity: This encompasses muscle size, separations, striations and hardness. Dorian and Ronnie are roughly equivalent in muscle size, with Ronnie being more separated and Dorian being harder. So they tie in muscularity.
Symmetry: This relates to the proportionality of muscles in relation to each other. Dorian only has one muscle weakness(biceps) and Ronnie has several(large glutes, no calves and a gut). So Dorian is more symmetrical through the symmetry round as well as mandatories.
As for shape, it is subjective and bodybuilders with shapes as different as Wheeler and Nasser have won pro shows, so there is no point there. I think that Dorian's back has better shape than Ronnie's, with the lats attaching right in the tendom, and his abs are more shapely as well as his calves. Again, a matter os taste.
So, in conclusion: Dorian wins because he is just as muscular as Ronnie but has less symmetrical flaws. This is my argument for why Dorian is better. You have been unable to provide an argument for why Ronnie 1999 would win except posting pictures of Ronnie where he looks better to you. How is that supposed to prove anything?
its why, when shown the comparison pics, everyone votes ronnie, and no one except you and two others, vote dorian.
there are several factors for this. The one most important is that Dorian retired a decade ago, while Ronnie is still competing. Lots of the people who voted are kids who were babies the last time Dorian won a Sandow, so they don't remember his greatness. Don't underestimate the celebrity factor. The other reason for this is that the people who voted are not seasoned I.F.B.B judges, and they didn't cast their votes while having the official I.F.B.B judging criteria in mind. ;)
and I don't 'hate' you, so that has nothing to do with me diagreeing with your post. I just think you are a complete moron who lives for dorian's sperm pudding.
This coming from the guy who considers Ronnie the greatest bodybuilder ever: greater than Arnold, Sergio, Haney, etc. While I, conversely, only consider Dorian one of the best ever. The best of all times? No. Better than Ronnie Coleman? definitely! :)
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Hulkster,
This guy (suckmymuscle) seems to be taking unction at the idea that 600 lb gorillas have bigger arms than human beings... because he seems to believe Kovacs' arms might have been close on 28''.
Despite the fact that a photo of Kovacs' offseason arm shows a height of 9ish inches, which makes his arm 19 to 21 inches at biggest... with 19 being more realistic.
It's a simple fact that no normally structured human being (5'10''ish) has lean (10%bf) arms:
...over 19'' without being over 200 lbs
...over 20'' without being over 250 lbs
...over 21'' without being over 275 lbs
...over 22'' without being over 300 lbs
...over 23'' without being over 350 lbs
...a 28'' arm would require a lean body mass of approximately 550 to 650 lbs (which, surprise-surprise correlates very well with the gorilla data, allowing for structural differences).
Dorian Yates (never a bullshitter) claimed that at 280 lbs (10% bf) his arm had a cold measurement of just over 20 inches... how people are still swallowing the claims of people like Flex Wheeler purporting to have 23.5'' arms at 230 lbs just boggles my mind.
The Luke
Your argument has been easily defeated by a simple fact: there are lots of bodybuilders in the World with arms bigger than 20". Coleman himself had 22" or 23" at the 2003 Olympia at a bodyweight of 287 lbs. Why can't you understand that just because a silverback weights more than a bodybuilder he can have smaller arms because most of his weight is in the torso? My God, you're so fucking dumb! :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Ronnie Coleman at the Press Conference for the 04 Olympia, discuss.
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Your argument has been easily defeated by a simple fact: there are lots of bodybuilders in the World with arms bigger than 20". Coleman himself had 22" or 23" at the 2003 Olympia at a bodyweight of 287 lbs. Why can't you understand that just because a silverback weights more than a bodybuilder he can have smaller arms because most of his weight is in the torso? My God, you're so fucking dumb! :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
My point was that silverback (mountain) gorillas weigh 600 lbs and have 20 to maybe 22 inch biceps... I doubt any modern era human being has or had a legit 23'' upper arm... I said this in response to speculations that an off season Greg Kovacs might have had a 28'' arm... a speculation that was supported by a faked picture of Kovacs' arm taping out at 25 inches... whereas in reality Kovacs had 20 to 21 inch arms at biggest... probably 19'' precontest.
To show the non-readers such as yourself how wrong you are I'll post a visual aid in support of your contention that mountain gorillas have spindly arms overshadowed by their torsos... behold how stringy their arms are in comparison to their torsos:
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My point was that silverback (mountain) gorillas weigh 600 lbs and have 20 to maybe 22 inch biceps... I doubt any modern era human being has or had a legit 23'' upper arm... I said this in response to speculations that an off season Greg Kovacs might have had a 28'' arm... a speculation that was supported by a faked picture of Kovacs' arm taping out at 25 inches... whereas in reality Kovacs had 20 to 21 inch arms at biggest... probably 19'' precontest.
To show the non-readers such as yourself how wrong you are I'll post a visual aid in support of your contention that mountain gorillas have spindly arms overshadowed by their torsos... behold how stringy their arms are in comparison to their torsos:
ronnie needs to shave his arms in this pic, to see the accurate bicep-peak measurement.
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My point was that silverback (mountain) gorillas weigh 600 lbs and have 20 to maybe 22 inch biceps... I doubt any modern era human being has or had a legit 23'' upper arm... I said this in response to speculations that an off season Greg Kovacs might have had a 28'' arm... a speculation that was supported by a faked picture of Kovacs' arm taping out at 25 inches... whereas in reality Kovacs had 20 to 21 inch arms at biggest... probably 19'' precontest.
To show the non-readers such as yourself how wrong you are I'll post a visual aid in support of your contention that mountain gorillas have spindly arms overshadowed by their torsos... behold how stringy their arms are in comparison to their torsos:
Ok, dude. Whatever you say. Just to make you shut up, I'll let you think that you're right. Unfortunately for you, there are several bodybuilders who weight far less than 600 lbs and who have bigger arms than 20".
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Gorillas..great arguments being made here. ???
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I cannot believe the idiocy of suckmymuscle. What a complete fool.
Now he'll write a nine page rebuttal of my post.
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I cannot believe the idiocy of suckmymuscle. What a complete fool.
Now he'll write a nine page rebuttal of my post.
Shut up, noob. I am right and he is wrong. Just because two idiots agree on something doesen't make them right - the idiots being you and "The Luke".
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Ok, dude. Whatever you say. Just to make you shut up, I'll let you think that you're right. Unfortunately for you, there are several bodybuilders who weight far less than 600 lbs and who have bigger arms than 20".
SUCKMYMUSCLE
...no human being in modern history has ever had a measured; verified muscular (10% bf) arm of 23'' (not while being under 7'6'' tall). That was my point... the comparison with gorillas was merely for demonstartion purposes for people like you suckmymuscle who don't understand basic mathematics. Remember, I only used that comparison to stifle the patently ridiculous speculations that Greg Kovacs might have had a 28'' arm.
We need Tim Fogarty to chime in here...
The Luke
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...no human being in modern history has ever had a measured; verified muscular (10% bf) arm of 23'' (not while being under 7'6'' tall). That was my point... the comparison with gorillas was merely for demonstartion purposes for people like you suckmymuscle who don't understand basic mathematics. Remember, I only used that comparison to stifle the patently ridiculous speculations that Greg Kovacs might have had a 28'' arm.
We need Tim Fogarty to chime in here...
The Luke
You are wrong. Coleman did have 23" arms at a 287 lbs, so your point is mute. Several bodybuilders have bigger arms than gorillas and yet weight less because the gorillas have much bigger torsos. Give up, dude. You got owned. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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King Ferrigno summer 93 at 6'5" was over 330 punds and vascular.
There was a pic in Muscular development of him around that time, standing next to an average mortal wish i could find it!!!
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The luke, you are trying to tell me no bodybuilder has ever had an arm bigger than 20 inches? You said dorian's arms were 20 inches at his largest bodyweight, well thats a weak argument considering the arms in question. If you dont think kevin levrone's arms were over 20 inches, you may be clinically retarded...As for the gorilla argument dude, gorillas dont take shit tons of gear and work out and eat all the time, so again that is a pretty weak argument...
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That gorilla needs to work chest and cut down on IGF and insulin.
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if dorian's arms were 20 inches at their largest, then I would not be surprised if Ronnie's arms in 2003 were 23 inches legit.
his arms in 2003 make dorian's look fairly small at any point in his career.
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if dorian's arms were 20 inches at their largest, then I would not be surprised if Ronnie's arms in 2003 were 23 inches legit.
his arms in 2003 make dorian's look fairly small at any point in his career.
Dorian's arms at their biggest were around 21" and Ronnie did have legitimate muscular 23" arms in 2003. I think that both you and I can agree that "The Luke" is a moron for stating that a man cannot have arms over 22" unless he's at least 350 lbs. ::)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dudes...
Tim Fogarty measured Lee Priest's off-season (235 lbs) arm as being 21 and 5/8ths inches (if memory serves) so I doubt anyone has ever had a muscular arm much OVER 22''
Putting words in my mouth and shouting down claims I never made is pointless...
If anyone out there can find me a legitimate photo of a flexed arm taped properly at 23'' (10% bf under 6' tall) then I will rethink my position... till then all you guys are doing is regurgitating Flex Magazine hype.
Remember, a 23'' arm is a full 33% larger than a 20'' arm... that's the same as the difference between the 20'' arm and a 17.4'' arm. I seriously doubt Ronnie's arm is 33% larger than Dorian's.
The Luke
PS-before anyone tries posting a pic bear in mind that a taped 23'' arm should be at least 11'' tall! That means 11 visible inches of tape.
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if dorian's arms were 20 inches at their largest, then I would not be surprised if Ronnie's arms in 2003 were 23 inches legit.
his arms in 2003 make dorian's look fairly small at any point in his career.
wrong as always.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy187.jpg)
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wrong as always.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy187.jpg)
What the fuck?
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dorian's arms were noticably smaller than ronnie 2003's.
at any point in his career.
even PRE tear:
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What the fuck?
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dorian's arms were noticably smaller than ronnie 2003's.
at any point in his career.
even PRE tear:
Let me preface this by stating its obvious Ronnie's arms are bigger ( who cares? are they more balanced ? thats the real question ) but Hulkster they were bigger than you give him credit for
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Guys,
Isn't there another thread where you fanboys have wanked this out for 1,500 pages?
Monster thread hijack.
The Luke
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The luke, lee priest has big arms, but there are guys with bigger arms, lee is a short mofo man...
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Dudes...
Tim Fogarty measured Lee Priest's off-season (235 lbs) arm as being 21 and 5/8ths inches (if memory serves) so I doubt anyone has ever had a muscular arm much OVER 22''
Putting words in my mouth and shouting down claims I never made is pointless...
If anyone out there can find me a legitimate photo of a flexed arm taped properly at 23'' (10% bf under 6' tall) then I will rethink my position... till then all you guys are doing is regurgitating Flex Magazine hype.
Remember, a 23'' arm is a full 33% larger than a 20'' arm... that's the same as the difference between the 20'' arm and a 17.4'' arm. I seriously doubt Ronnie's arm is 33% larger than Dorian's.
The Luke
PS-before anyone tries posting a pic bear in mind that a taped 23'' arm should be at least 11'' tall! That means 11 visible inches of tape.
The fact that Lee Priest had arms of 21" at 235 should beenough to prove to you that you dont need to be 350 lbs to have 23" arms. Priests ares are big but by no means the biggest in bodybuilding. Why? Because Priest is short, so his arms look much bigger than those of other pros because they are so big for him. If you think that Ronnies arms are not bigger in absolute terms, then you are delusional. Just admit it, guy: you are wrong. >:(
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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If ronnie could keep his 04 phisique, he would still be mr olympia for many years, i quess age stopped him. i remember he brauht up his arms in 04 to a freaky proportion.
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Dudes...
Tim Fogarty measured Lee Priest's off-season (235 lbs) arm as being 21 and 5/8ths inches (if memory serves) so I doubt anyone has ever had a muscular arm much OVER 22''
Putting words in my mouth and shouting down claims I never made is pointless...
If anyone out there can find me a legitimate photo of a flexed arm taped properly at 23'' (10% bf under 6' tall) then I will rethink my position... till then all you guys are doing is regurgitating Flex Magazine hype.
Remember, a 23'' arm is a full 33% larger than a 20'' arm... that's the same as the difference between the 20'' arm and a 17.4'' arm. I seriously doubt Ronnie's arm is 33% larger than Dorian's.
The Luke
PS-before anyone tries posting a pic bear in mind that a taped 23'' arm should be at least 11'' tall! That means 11 visible inches of tape.
The gun show
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The fact that Lee Priest had arms of 21" at 235 should beenough to prove to you that you dont need to be 350 lbs to have 23" arms. Priests ares are big but by no means the biggest in bodybuilding. Why? Because Priest is short, so his arms look much bigger than those of other pros because they are so big for him. If you think that Ronnies arms are not bigger in absolute terms, then you are delusional. Just admit it, guy: you are wrong. >:(
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Quoted for truth.
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a complete moron who lives for dorian's sperm pudding.
what does that make you?
a bigger moron for bathing in colemans semen?
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Answer me this true believers...
Why has no one ever had their arm photographed with a tape measure showing their flexed arm taping out at 23 inches???
Excluding faked pics with the tape pegged on the other side of the arm...
The Luke
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Guys,
Isn't there another thread where you fanboys have wanked this out for 1,500 pages?
Monster thread hijack.
The Luke
whos's highjacking a thread?
someone pointed out that dorian's arms were 20 inches at their best and that ronnie's were never 23 inches.
I correctly pointed out that IF dorian's arms WERE 20 inches that ronnie's were most certainly 23 inches in 2003. Perfectly valid point.
its not my fault that IceCold is so stupid he doesn't believe that ronnie's arms in 2003 were bigger than dorian's and felt compelled to post that I was 'wrong as usual' ::)
talk to IceCold. He is the moron.
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A 23'' arm is 33% larger than a 20'' arm (it's a ratio of the squares of the circumferences)...
Ronnie is probably the biggest and most muscular bodybuilder ever, but his arms aren't 33% larger than Dorian's were at his best. Dorian was 270 lbs at his biggest... Ronnie is 300 lbs at his biggest... that means Ronnie is about 30 to 40 lbs short of a 23'' arm at 10% bf.
A 23'' arm would be at least 11'' tall in a flexed position... that's probably noticeably taller than Ronnie's head and comparable to the length of Ronnie's humerus bone: that would be a circular upper arm!
Someone needs to call "Bullshit!" on all these arm claims... I stopped believing what I read in the magazines when I was 15 and FLEX quoted a 225 lb Flex Wheeler claiming that his 23.5'' arms (contest shape) were not that unusual among the current crop of competitors.
If any pro had a 23'' arm they would have it taped and photographed every chance they got...
A 23'' upper arm REQUIRES about 350 lbs of lean bodyweight (at 5'10'' tall).
The Luke
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Dudes...
Remember, a 23'' arm is a full 33% larger than a 20'' arm... that's the same as the difference between the 20'' arm and a 17.4'' arm. I seriously doubt Ronnie's arm is 33% larger than Dorian's.
The Luke
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Luke, you said such a lot about 33 percent...
sure it sounds like something clever...
but i think,you have to take some mathematik lessons and to learn that 23 INCH ARM IT 15 PERCENT BIGGER THAN 20 INCH,AND NOT FOR 33% !
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...for demonstartion purposes for people like you suckmymuscle who don't understand basic mathematics. .
The Luke
Luke blame people that they have bad mathematics...
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Dudes...
Tim Fogarty measured Lee Priest's off-season (235 lbs) arm as being 21 and 5/8ths inches (if memory serves) so I doubt anyone has ever had a muscular arm much OVER 22''
look at this foto, - here Priest at his biggest...
you need comments ?
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Nah, Kovacs was 440 muscular pounds according to Suckhisownmuscle! ;)
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Luke, you said such a lot about 33 percent...
sure it sounds like something clever...
but i think,you have to take some mathematik lessons and to learn that 23 INCH ARM IT 15 PERCENT BIGGER THAN 20 INCH,AND NOT FOR 33% !
Again, allowing for similar humerus lengths... the difference between the size of a 23'' arm and a 20'' arm is proportional to the cross sectional area of the arm... NOT the increase in circumference.
The ratio of two cross sectional areas is proportional to the ratio of the SQUARES of the circumferences!
Ratio of a 23'' arm to a 20'' arm =
(23'' arm):(20'' arm) = (cross section of 23'' arm):(cross section of 20'' arm) = (232):(202)
...which is a 33% increase in size. (529/400)
The stoopidity on this site is often astonishingly shameful...
The Luke
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Again, allowing for similar humerus lengths... the difference between the size of a 23'' arm and a 20'' arm is proportional to the cross sectional area of the arm... NOT the increase in circumference.
The ratio of two cross sectional areas is proportional to the ratio of the SQUARES of the circumferences!
Ratio of a 23'' arm to a 20'' arm =
(23'' arm):(20'' arm) = (cross section of 23'' arm):(cross section of 20'' arm) = (232):(202)
...which is a 33% increase in size. (529/400)
The stoopidity on this site is often astonishingly shameful...
The Luke
the correct percent increase in size of a 23 inch arm over a 20 inch arm is:
20/23 *100 = a 20 inch arm is 86.9% the size of a 23 inch arm.
thus, the increase is 100%-86.9% = 13.1% increase in size.
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Again, allowing for similar humerus lengths... the difference between the size of a 23'' arm and a 20'' arm is proportional to the cross sectional area of the arm... NOT the increase in circumference.
The ratio of two cross sectional areas is proportional to the ratio of the SQUARES of the circumferences!
Ratio of a 23'' arm to a 20'' arm =
(23'' arm):(20'' arm) = (cross section of 23'' arm):(cross section of 20'' arm) = (232):(202)
...which is a 33% increase in size. (529/400)
The stoopidity on this site is often astonishingly shameful...
The Luke
this has nothing to do with algebraic proportionalities.
we are talking about straight percentage increase in size.
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Nah, Kovacs was 440 muscular pounds according to Suckhisownmuscle! ;)
At least I don't look at a beautiful woman and criticize her fashion sense like you do :P And I never said that Kovacs was ripped at 440 lbs; I said he still had visible abs! Kovacs was ripped at 400 lbs, not 440 lbs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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"The Luke" is obviously a retard who got owned very badly by yours truly and is now pulling numbers out his ass to try to save face. His supposed measurements that can be obtained at a given bodyweight are easily disproved by the fact that several bodybuilders have achieved much greater arm measurements for their weights than what "The Luke" suggests. Examples:
- Lee Priest 235 lbs 21" arms
- Kevin Levrone 245 lbs 22" arms
- Marko Savolainen 260 lbs 24" arms
- Ronnie Coleman 287 lbs 23" arms
- Arnold Schwarzenegger 237 lbs 21 1/2" arms
- Lou Ferrigno 300 lbs 22" arms
- Greg Kovacs 400 lbs 27" arms
As you guys can see, these arm measurements far exceed what the bodybuilders should supposedly have according to "The Luke's" retarded chart. Make up your own minds, folks. Is it likely that all of these measurements, many of which were photographed with the tape on the arm of the bodybuilders, all be off? ::) Or is it more likely that "The Luke" is talking out of his ass and that obviously a Human can have 22" arms at less than 350 lbs. You make the call. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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"The Luke" is obviously a retard who got owned very badly by yours truly and is now pulling numbers out his ass to try to save face. His supposed measurements that can be obtained at a given bodyweight are easily disproved by the fact that several bodybuilders have achieved much greater arm measurements for their weights than what "The Luke" suggests. Examples:
- Lee Priest 235 lbs 21" arms
- Kevin Levrone 245 lbs 22" arms
- Marko Savolainen 260 lbs 24" arms
- Ronnie Coleman 287 lbs 23" arms
- Arnold Schwarzenegger 237 lbs 21 1/2" arms
- Lou Ferrigno 300 lbs 22" arms
- Greg Kovacs 400 lbs 27" arms
As you guys can see, these arm measurements far exceed what the bodybuilders should supposedly have according to "The Luke's" retarded chart. Make up your own minds, folks. Is it likely that all of these measurements, many of which were photographed with the tape on the arm of the bodybuilders, all be off? ::) Or is it more likely that "The Luke" is talking out of his ass and that obviously a Human can have 22" arms at less than 350 lbs. You make the call. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Wow, I'm blown away by your incredibly deep intellectual critique of my post, Squatfucker. ::)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Wow, I'm blown away by your incredibly deep intellectual critique of my post, Squatfucker. ::)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
how am i supposed to have an intellectual discussion with someone who thinks Greg kovacs weighed 400 pounds and had 27 inch arms?
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how am i supposed to have an intellectual discussion with someone who thinks Greg kovacs weighed 400 pounds and had 27 inch arms?
Counter my statement with facts, not with invectives. If Coleman could have 23" arsm at 287 lbs, then it is perfectly reasonable for Kovacs to have had 27" arms at 400 lbs. Read my response to the retard, "The Luke", carefully. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Fux was the biggest quality guy of all time (jokes like Kovac or QT: big yes, but not to be taken serious). Would probably be a multiple Mr. O today if he wouldn't have had an accident.... :P
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Counter my statement with facts, not with invectives. If Coleman could have 23" arsm at 287 lbs, then it is perfectly reasonable for Kovacs to have had 27" arms at 400 lbs. Read my response to the retard, "The Luke", carefully. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
when was it ever proven that Kovacs was 400 pounds? every challenge that the guy ever got called on he backed down from.
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Fux was the biggest quality guy of all time (jokes like Kovac or QT: big yes, but not to be taken serious). Would probably be a multiple Mr. O today if he wouldn't have had an accident.... :P
could have been.
but he went downhill before his accident.
in 99 is when the gut started getting real bad.
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Fux was the biggest quality guy of all time (jokes like Kovac or QT: big yes, but not to be taken serious). Would probably be a multiple Mr. O today if he wouldn't have had an accident.... :P
That guy would never have been he looked like shit.
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Pics from 04?
These are what i've got. Coleman & Dillet.
Kovaks was never that big in terms of volume AKA muscle size for his height, which is the question.
Priest's arms were no bigger for his height than Coleman, and had less definition & peak.
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Pics from 04?
These are what i've got.
Kovaks was never that big in terms of volume/muscle size for his height which is the question.
THAT'S THE PICTURE I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR, THE INFAMOUS RED T SHIRT PIC, ABSOLUTELY FREAKISH.
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Wow, I'm blown away by your incredibly deep intellectual critique of my post, Squatfucker. ::)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
don't let fat girl squatfatter davina get to you she's a fat swollen pig and my bitch on here :-*..
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So luke do you still think someone has to be 350 pounds to have a 22 inch arm?
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I sure hope not:
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"The Luke" is an utter moron. He has no idea what he's talking about. Read my previous post, where I provide ample examples of bodybuilders with much greater arm measurements for their weights than what he said was possible in his stupid graphic. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Pics from 04?
These are what i've got. Coleman & Dillet.
Kovaks was never that big in terms of volume AKA muscle size for his height, which is the question.
Priest's arms were no bigger for his height than Coleman, and had less definition & peak.
We're talking about absolute measurements here, not relative ones. There re many guys with bigger arms thn Coleman and Dillet in absolute terms, like Kovacs and Savolainen.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Kovacs was huge another great gym bodybuilder not much of a competitive one.
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Fux has the size and the structure , a very massive bodybuilder
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Hey retards! (you know who you are)
Everyone here needs a maths refresher course...
Approximating the upper arm as a tube (which is a valid approximation):
Amount of muscle = muscle volume = L x pi x r2
= (length of tube) x (pi) x (radius of tube)2
Circumference of upper arm = 2pi x r
= 2 pi x (radius of tube)
...therefore you can substitute r2 with [(circumference)2]/4pi2
When comparing the volume of two upper arms... if the humerus is of roughly equal length in each arm, then all the other terms cancel and the ratio is simply a ratio of the squares:
Therefore: (23'' arm)/(20'' arm) = 232/202 = 529/400 = 1.3225
So a 23'' arm contains 33% more muscle than a 20'' arm of the same length. Meaning a genuine 23'' arm could probably curl 350 to 400 lbs.... consider that.
Let's remember that Greg Kovacs claimed (or a magazine ghost-writer claimed on his behalf) to have 27'' arms at 400 lbs... in reality Kovacs was seldom much over 320 lbs (even offseason) and the photos of his arm taping out at 25'' clearly show only just nine visible one inch degradations on the tape measure... that puts his arms somewhere between 19'' (if the tape is stretched taught) and 21'' maximum (and that's an absolute maximum)... the reality: a solid 20'' and change... possibly touching 21'' at his heaviest.
At 315 lbs, Trey Brewer's upper arm taped out at just barely 21'' (as measured by our own Ron), to get a 22'' arm Trey would need to weigh 340 lbs... to get a genuine 23'' arm Trey would need to weigh 370 lbs.
Surprise surprise both measurements correlate exactly with the formula for adult humans relating bodyweight to upper arm circumference... who would have thunk it!
A genuine 23'' arm on someone 5'10'' (or shorter) REQUIRES at least 350 lbs of muscular (10%bf) bodyweight.
All those photos are fakes... count the height of the arm in inches (the amount of inches visible on the tape), double it and add an inch (or half an inch) that's the real arm measurement.
Anyone who thinks differently probably follows the Weider Principles!
The Luke
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Luke trey was the absolute worst possible person you could have used as an example dude, Trey has very very weak arms for someone his size, Ronnie or kevin, or even flex would dwarf his arm measurment for sure...your seriously wrong luke, I dont understand why you cant just admit it, are you trying to save face?
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Hey retards! (you know who you are)
Everyone here needs a maths refresher course...
Approximating the upper arm as a tube (which is a valid approximation):
Amount of muscle = muscle volume = L x pi x r2
= (length of tube) x (pi) x (radius of tube)2
Circumference of upper arm = 2pi x r
= 2 pi x (radius of tube)
...therefore you can substitute r2 with [(circumference)2]/4pi2
When comparing the volume of two upper arms... if the humerus is of roughly equal length in each arm, then all the other terms cancel and the ratio is simply a ratio of the squares:
Therefore: (23'' arm)/(20'' arm) = 232/202 = 529/400 = 1.3225
So a 23'' arm contains 33% more muscle than a 20'' arm of the same length. Meaning a genuine 23'' arm could probably curl 350 to 400 lbs.... consider that.
Let's remember that Greg Kovacs claimed (or a magazine ghost-writer claimed on his behalf) to have 27'' arms at 400 lbs... in reality Kovacs was seldom much over 320 lbs (even offseason) and the photos of his arm taping out at 25'' clearly show only just nine visible one inch degradations on the tape measure... that puts his arms somewhere between 19'' (if the tape is stretched taught) and 21'' maximum (and that's an absolute maximum)... the reality: a solid 20'' and change... possibly touching 21'' at his heaviest.
At 315 lbs, Trey Brewer's upper arm taped out at just barely 21'' (as measured by our own Ron), to get a 22'' arm Trey would need to weigh 340 lbs... to get a genuine 23'' arm Trey would need to weigh 370 lbs.
Surprise surprise both measurements correlate exactly with the formula for adult humans relating bodyweight to upper arm circumference... who would have thunk it!
A genuine 23'' arm on someone 5'10'' (or shorter) REQUIRES at least 350 lbs of muscular (10%bf) bodyweight.
All those photos are fakes... count the height of the arm in inches (the amount of inches visible on the tape), double it and add an inch (or half an inch) that's the real arm measurement.
Anyone who thinks differently probably follows the Weider Principles!
The Luke
Hey retrd, you're pulling numbers out of your ass that don't mean shit because you have nothing to counter the fact that there are lots of bodybuilders with arms much bigger for their weights than what your stupid graphic says is possible. The evidence is prima fasce; you cant dispute it. Give up. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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In terms of arms, which some have discussed, Priest takes the cake lb for lb.
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Fux
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Wasn't he some sort of like guinea pig for igf-1 in europe at the time?
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Fux again
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Still no sign of a bodybuilder with his arm taped at 23''
That's because there is no such photograph in existence...
If anyone can produce such a photograph, I'll retract my assertions... any takers???
To the haterz, I am sorry... FLEX magazine is right, the MATH is wrong...
The Luke
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"The Luke" is obviously a retard who got owned very badly by yours truly and is now pulling numbers out his ass to try to save face. His supposed measurements that can be obtained at a given bodyweight are easily disproved by the fact that several bodybuilders have achieved much greater arm measurements for their weights than what "The Luke" suggests. Examples:
- Lee Priest 235 lbs 21" arms
- Kevin Levrone 245 lbs 22" arms
- Marko Savolainen 260 lbs 24" arms
- Ronnie Coleman 287 lbs 23" arms
- Arnold Schwarzenegger 237 lbs 21 1/2" arms
- Lou Ferrigno 300 lbs 22" arms
- Greg Kovacs 400 lbs 27" arms
As you guys can see, these arm measurements far exceed what the bodybuilders should supposedly have according to "The Luke's" retarded chart. Make up your own minds, folks. Is it likely that all of these measurements, many of which were photographed with the tape on the arm of the bodybuilders, all be off? ::) Or is it more likely that "The Luke" is talking out of his ass and that obviously a Human can have 22" arms at less than 350 lbs. You make the call. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Heres my post where I make all of "The Luke"s" retarded math redundant by providing several examples of bodybuilders with much bigger arms for their weights than what "The Luke"(the moron) says is possible. According to him, these measures are all fake - despite the photographic evidence to the contrary - because it doesent agree with his math. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) Hint: when the evidence is prima fasce, no further evidence is needed.
SCKMYMUSCLE
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Luke I still dont understand your logic in saying that a 23" arm has 33% more muscle than a 20", just doesn't make sense.
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Still no sign of a bodybuilder with his arm taped at 23''
That's because there is no such photograph in existence...
If anyone can produce such a photograph, I'll retract my assertions... any takers???
To the haterz, I am sorry... FLEX magazine is right, the MATH is wrong...
The Luke
LMFAO!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) A picture with Kovacs arms taping at 26" has already been posted!!!!!!! The luke, stop being a retarded bitch and admit that you were defeated like a man. :'(
SCKMYMSCLE
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suckmymuscle,
Remember:
-Arnold claimed he had 21'' arms till Arthur Jones measured them at 19.25'' and 19.625'' (he would have needed to have been 280 lbs to sport the 22'' arms his autobiography claims)
-Franco claimed to have 20'' (and later 21'') arms, Arthur Jones measured them at 18 and change
-Flex Wheeler claimed in 1993 to have 23.5'' arms in contest shape (225 lbs)
-Paul Dillet also claimed in 1993 to have 23.5'' arms in contest shape (265 lbs)
-Vince Taylor, who had the best biceps and tallest upper arms of any pro circa 1990 at 210ish pounds went on to gain so much mass that he eventually tipped the scales at 235 lbs and his arms grew even more, so much so that at the 1995 Olympia his arms (right arm in particular) dwarfed those of every other competitor (including those of a soft 280 lb Paul DeMayo). Guess what? Tim Fogarty measured Vince's off-season (250 lb) right arm at 19.5 inches....
By your logic (if you can call it that), a FLEX magazine writer could ask me my arm measurement... being short and insecure I could claim my weak arms (16'' cold) matched my excellent calves (17.5'' cold... genetically large). But instead I add an inch for good measure...
Voila! I now have 18'' arms to go with the photo of my 16'' arms...
But why stop there?
An 18'' arm is a 19'' arm pumped... and a 19'' pumped arm is a 20'' cold arm five years later in my FLEX Star Profile, which also claims my obviously bigger calves are actually 23''
Let's all have 23'' arms!
The Luke
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I see what your saying luke, but I would be willing to be even money that ronnies arm at its peak was well over 20 inches...
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even at 257 pounds if this upper arm does not tape 20 inches I am Santa Claus:
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I've met enough pros in person to believe in the measurements....includin g an offseason TP who was huge and Cutler.
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I've shaken hands with a 290 lb Marcus Ruhl...
Big? Hell yeah! But his arms were far short of having the same circumference as his head...
The Luke
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A blind man could see that these arms are over 20 inches.
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Ronnie Coleman IS bodybuilding !
BOOM !
(http://l.yimg.com/au.yimg.com/i/mov/wintermovieguide/bladesofglory/hero.jpg)
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A 23'' arm is 33% larger than a 20'' arm (it's a ratio of the squares of the circumferences)...
Ronnie is probably the biggest and most muscular bodybuilder ever, but his arms aren't 33% larger than Dorian's were at his best. Dorian was 270 lbs at his biggest... Ronnie is 300 lbs at his biggest... that means Ronnie is about 30 to 40 lbs short of a 23'' arm at 10% bf.
A 23'' arm would be at least 11'' tall in a flexed position... that's probably noticeably taller than Ronnie's head and comparable to the length of Ronnie's humerus bone: that would be a circular upper arm!
Someone needs to call "Bullshit!" on all these arm claims... I stopped believing what I read in the magazines when I was 15 and FLEX quoted a 225 lb Flex Wheeler claiming that his 23.5'' arms (contest shape) were not that unusual among the current crop of competitors.
If any pro had a 23'' arm they would have it taped and photographed every chance they got...
A 23'' upper arm REQUIRES about 350 lbs of lean bodyweight (at 5'10'' tall).
The Luke
I don't know which post is more idiotic, this one....or the one comparing a Gorilla's structure to a human's.
A 23" arm would be 11" tall? We live in a 3 dimensional world, assnugget.
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I've shaken hands with a 290 lb Marcus Ruhl...
Big? Hell yeah! But his arms were far short of having the same circumference as his head...
The Luke
the same cannot be said of 2003 ronnie:
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Dear Lord he is fuggin big there...
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hahahahaha, 28 inch arms? ;D
Classic "V" taper ;D
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Pics from 04?
These are what i've got. Coleman & Dillet.
Kovaks was never that big in terms of volume AKA muscle size for his height, which is the question.
Priest's arms were no bigger for his height than Coleman, and had less definition & peak.
well without the benefits of training with power rod technology what do you expect!
pumpster please guide him to the light! maybe give him a free 1 month pass at the Dumpster Gym...
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well without the benefits of training with power rod technology what do you expect!
pumpster please guide him to the light! maybe give him a free 1 month pass at the Dumpster Gym...
Uh, someone let this troll know that hijacking threads with his brand of humor that cracks only himself up is boring. *yawn*
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the same cannot be said of 2003 ronnie:
those pics are from 2000 smart guy.
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Uh, someone let this troll know that hijacking threads with his brand of humor that cracks only himself up is boring. *yawn*
funny how you disappear after for a few days after there were 5 threads bashing you and your bowflex. then you come back on here running your mouth like always thinking people forgot about your pathetic bowflex and even worse the dump you live in.
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I don't know which post is more idiotic, this one....or the one comparing a Gorilla's structure to a human's.
A 23" arm would be 11" tall? We live in a 3 dimensional world, assnugget.
Groink,
Good point... I should have been more specific. I didn't mean vertical height.
What I meant is that when taped and photographed; a 23'' arm would have at least 11 of the one inch degradations on the tape visible from the front or the back. That holds true for any oval cross-section, so long as it is viewed along the narrow axis.
Kovacs' photos are a perfect examples of this:
His arm seemingly tapes out at 25''... but only the degradations for 0''; 1'' and 2'' are visible on the end of the tape passing over the peak of his bicep, the other end of the tape shows the degradations for 25''; 24''; 23''; 22''; 21''; 20''; 19''; and 18'' before it tucks under the belly of his tricep.
That's a total of 9 inches of circumference... another 9 on the other side is 18'' and a generous discrepancy allowance of 2'' gives us a total of 20''.
A crease is pegged into the measuring tape on the other side of his arm... it's an old trick.
Even Ronnie Coleman, the biggest and most muscularly developed human the world has ever seen doesn't have a 23'' arm while in good condition. That's only an inch short of Valentino's scar tissue swollen arms (Guinness' records people taped his pumped arm at 24.5'' on TV), and Valentino's arms are spherical.
The Luke
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luke, thats an inch and a half actually, which according to your logic is 15% bigger...
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LOL Luke needs some math lessons..
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LOL Luke needs some math lessons..
luke, thats an inch and a half actually, which according to your logic is 15% bigger...
...that's right guys. The physicist is wrong, the math is wrong... FLEX magazine is the gospel of truth!
By the way, the ratio of two arm measurements is always the ratio of the squares of those measurements.
Hence, a 24.5'' arm (Valentino's) is 13.5% larger than a 23'' arm: (24.52/232)=1.134688
It's called anthropometry bitches, get yo'selves an edumacation!
The Luke
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Exactly. This is what the morons here don't comprehend. When you're 6'3 with wrists as thick as logs, having 28" arms is not that hard. I'd say that any guy this height and with these huge bones who workout out seriously and took massive amounts of sauce, GH and insulin for years in a row can have a muscular 28" arms. Coleman's 23" arms are far more impressive than Kovac's because he is a man of average height and possesed of average bone size. Ronnie probably does have a superior amount of fast twitch type II muscle fibers, but it is still incredible that he achieved a muscular 22" to 23" arms with his average sized bones.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
BWWAHAAHAHAHA! 28" arms?!! And how did anyone give any credibility to suckmymuscle's posts after this one? ???
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Ronnie Coleman at the Press Conference for the 04 Olympia, discuss.
whats there to discuss, do you get a boner by discussing this? do me a favor, post less, get a job.
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BWWAHAAHAHAHA! 28" arms?!! And how did anyone give any credibility to suckmymuscle's posts after this one? ???
he never had any credibility... :-\
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he never had any credibility... :-\
This coming from the huckter who posts photoshopped pics he knows are shopped. You are one to speak of credibility, Huckster.;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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The Kovacs arm measuring photo is a fake...
If you count them, you can clearly see that there are only 9 or 10 inches of the graduated tape showing in the picture... doubling that (a circular or oval cross-section always presents half to 60% of it's circumferential surface, irrespective of angle) would make Kovacs' arm somewhere in the environs of 19 to 21 inches at biggest. The tape is pinched and pegged on the other side... it's an old trick.
My guess would be that Kovacs had a legit 20'' or 21'' arm in the off-season, dropping to 19''/20'' precontest.
This corresponds quite well with his actual bodyweight... there are anthropometric restrictions on human muscular development: certain ratios which cannot be surpassed.
Another example of this is Arnold's claim of a 20'' arm early in his career; which became a 21'' arm during his Olympia reign; which became a 21.5'' arm in the early editions of "Education of a Bodybuilder"; which became a 22'' arm in later editions despite the fact his bodyweight changed very little... whereas in reality, the only way to have legitimate 22'' arms sub 10% bodyfat at 5'10''ish is to weigh over 300 lbs... the only way to have 22'' arms at a lean bodyweight below 300 lbs is to be 5' tall.
Hope this puts things in perspective.
The Luke
I saw Kovacs at the 96 Olympia for the first time. The 3rd of 5 Olympias that I attended. He was easily the biggest person/bodybuilder I had ever seen.
He dwarfed Nasser, Yates, Coleman, Ferrigno, everybody. I looked at him, and I truly believed that he could take any NFL lineman & throw them thru a brick wall. I even asked him if he's considered playing pro-ball. I didn' t form any opinion of him thru Muscletch ads. Staring at him for 20 minutes, only 10 feet away, blew me away till this day. There was nobody in the entire Olympia convention center, that even came close to him in sheer size. Kovacs was a freakin dinosaur. He made Bill Kazmier look like a "dot". To say that Kovacs arms were 21" off season & 20 contest shape, only proves 1 thing...That YOU NEVER SAW HIM IN PERSON. There was no synthol in them either. Easily the biggest BB I had ever seen. Its true, that he was so big, he could not tie his own shoes. I watched his "girlfriend?" do it for him, Just like NAsser alluded to.
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I saw Kovacs at the 96 Olympia for the first time. The 3rd of 5 Olympias that I attended. He was easily the biggest person/bodybuilder I had ever seen.
He dwarfed Nasser, Yates, Coleman, Ferrigno, everybody. I looked at him, and I truly believed that he could take any NFL lineman & throw them thru a brick wall. I even asked him if he's considered playing pro-ball. I didn' t form any opinion of him thru Muscletch ads. Staring at him for 20 minutes, only 10 feet away, blew me away till this day. There was nobody in the entire Olympia convention center, that even came close to him in sheer size. Kovacs was a freakin dinosaur. He made Bill Kazmier look like a "dot". To say that Kovacs arms were 21" off season & 20 contest shape, only proves 1 thing...That YOU NEVER SAW HIM IN PERSON. There was no synthol in them either. Easily the biggest BB I had ever seen. Its true, that he was so big, he could not tie his own shoes. I watched his "girlfriend?" do it for him, Just like NAsser alluded to.
This summarizes it very well. Kovacs had abs at 400 lbs. I'm not saying that he was ripped at that weight, but he still had a visible four-pack. That would be incredible for a 7'5 giant, but for a man of 6'2 like Kovacs it just blows the imagination. He is easily the most massive man who ever walked the Earth. Imagine a man only 3" taller than Coleman who carried 110 lbs more than Coleman did at the 2003 Olympia with the same bodyfat and you'll comprehend what a lump of meat Kovacs in his prime was.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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To all the FLEX magazine true believers quoting "factoids" such as Kovacs having abs at 400 lbs and Ronnie having 23'' arms...
-Greg Kovacs NEVER weighed 400 lbs without folds of fat,
-there's a video on here of Ronnie's arm being taped at 21.7'' with a prime Ronnie at 300+lbs
If Kovacs was ever a solid 400 lbs at 6'2'' he'd be as proportionately more developed in comparison to Ronnie's best ever 5'10'' 300 lbs as Ronnie was more developed than Silvio Samuel...
Get real you morons...
28'' arms? Are you fucking kidding me?
At 6'4'' (taller than Kovacs) and just 300 lbs Manfred Hoebel's synthol-filled arms barely reached 25''... and Hoebel's forearms appeared thicker than Kovacs upper arms.
With a 28'' arm Kovacs wouldn't have been able to bend his elbow from straight to anywhere near even 90 degrees.
Similarly, NO ONE has 23'' arms in contest shape: NO ONE!
Even off-season, NO ONE has a genuine 23'' arm under 320 lbs.
The Luke
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BWWAHAAHAHAHA! 28" arms?!! And how did anyone give any credibility to suckmymuscle's posts after this one? ???
Way to bump old lame threads. ::)
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This summarizes it very well. Kovacs had abs at 400 lbs. I'm not saying that he was ripped at that weight, but he still had a visible four-pack. That would be incredible for a 7'5 giant, but for a man of 6'2 like Kovacs it just blows the imagination. He is easily the most massive man who ever walked the Earth. Imagine a man only 3" taller than Coleman who carried 110 lbs more than Coleman did at the 2003 Olympia with the same bodyfat and you'll comprehend what a lump of meat Kovacs in his prime was.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Yeah Kovacs was a monster - I met him before his decline and was shocked by his overall mass - but come on, 28" inches??!! That's a ridiculous claim! Are you still sticking to that claim suckmymuscle? :-\
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Similarly, NO ONE has 23'' arms in contest shape: NO ONE!
don't be so sure:
ronnie 2003 or Dillet must have come close.
and another thing: if Ronnie/Dillet etc. "only" had say 21 inch arms, then how large would someone like Milos' or post tear dorian's be?
16 inches? :-\
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That's a total of 9 inches of circumference... another 9 on the other side is 18'' and a generous discrepancy allowance of 2'' gives us a total of 20''.
The Luke
Your math appears quite accurate looking at this pic which I know is legitimate. You can see about 9 inches on the tape and his arm tapes out to just over 20".
28" is rediculous.
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Similarly, NO ONE has 23'' arms in contest shape: NO ONE!
Will Harris has 25 '' guns in contest shape, he also confirmed it in BiggerStrongerFaster.
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eddie had some huge arms for sure.
eddie, ronnie, dillett, matarazzo, all had some giant arms.
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the same cannot be said of 2003 ronnie:
ronnie is the man....
Luke sorry buddy but you are wrong... i used the that you have to flex your bi's... to stretch not the wrap around one...and i have 19 inch guns cold..
croatch has a video on here with such a tape and he flexed his arm and it came up 18...
neither of our arms are anywhere near colemans....
so as a legit owner of 19 inch arms i believe coleman had 23 inch guns easy
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ronnie is the man....
Luke sorry buddy but you are wrong... i used the that you have to flex your bi's... to stretch not the wrap around one...and i have 19 inch guns cold..
croatch has a video on here with such a tape and he flexed his arm and it came up 18...
neither of our arms are anywhere near colemans....
so as a legit owner of 19 inch arms i believe coleman had 23 inch guns easy
bullshit.
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GAME OVER
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exactly those arms are not between 19 and 21 inches not by a longshot
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KOVACS was a huge guy. i would guess his arm to be 23 or so in the offseason. i have my arms up to 21.5...ALOT of fat on them in the offseason and he is alot bigger than me. i have met greg a few times and he was an absolute freak
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(http://www.kulturystyka.org.pl/gwiazdy/greg/08.jpg)
Cinamon roll muscles.