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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: shiftedShapes on September 17, 2007, 02:05:06 PM
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Squatting heavy isn't the only way to make squatting hard. In fact you can make squatting impossible without any extra weight at all. What this means is that by controlling the ROM of a squat (or any other exercise for that matter) you can ensure maximal difficulty for the entire rep.
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the figure above is what's normally considered paralell for a squat, if you're strong you can hold a lot of weight this way
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figure B
This figure on the other hand represents what I MEAN by a paralell squat. It is impossible to hold (if you don't believe me try it or read up on the physics, start with torques). To make squatting harder without the use of any additional weight try to start squatting more like figure B and less like figure A.
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thats wat i was just typing, also u need to tighten ur back to squat. the vbar will roll off
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Squatting heavy isn't the only way to make squatting hard. In fact you can make squatting impossible without any extra weight at all. What this means is that by controlling the ROM of a squat (or any other exercise for that matter) you can ensure maximal difficulty for the entire rep.
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the figure above is what's normally considered paralell for a squat, if you're strong you can hold a lot of weight this way
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figure B
This figure on the other hand represents what I MEAN by a parallel squat. It is impossible to hold (if you don't believe me try it or read up on the physics, start with torques). To make squatting harder without the use of any additional weight try to start squatting more like figure B and less like figure A.
You can hold the body in that position with a certain amount of weight maybe a little higher maybe lower its not rocket science dont take the whole parallel so literal just squat and shut the fuck up >:( ;D also to make it harder never lock out the knees..
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They're called sissy squats, douchebag.
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I think you guys are missing my point. My goal is not to lift the most weight it is to make the exercise as hard as possible.
Most of you have two goals, to be able to lift heavy weights and to develop your physique. Lifting weights helps to develop the physique because it puts strain on your muscles
My goals are A little bit different, I want to be able to control my body through the largest possible range of motion and to develop my physique. As I explained above, incresing range of motion can put just as much strain on the muscles as lifting heavy weight. So by increasing range of motion I will alsop develop my physique. I also will have more precise control over resistance and I won't need any weights to help me.
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Squatting heavy isn't the only way to make squatting hard. In fact you can make squatting impossible without any extra weight at all. What this means is that by controlling the ROM of a squat (or any other exercise for that matter) you can ensure maximal difficulty for the entire rep.
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the figure above is what's normally considered paralell for a squat, if you're strong you can hold a lot of weight this way
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figure B
This figure on the other hand represents what I MEAN by a paralell squat. It is impossible to hold (if you don't believe me try it or read up on the physics, start with torques). To make squatting harder without the use of any additional weight try to start squatting more like figure B and less like figure A.
In both figures, the thigh is parallell to the ground, which is what you judge by.
It's not the shin and the back who are supposed to be parallell. ::)
Are you sure you know what "parallell" is referring to? ???
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how's the ROM increased by doing that?
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what is the point i makeing some thing hard like that. why not use more weiht with good form
e.g i could make 135lbs heavy if i spent 2 mins negative and a 30sec positive.
i dont c the point as oppossed to normal regular squatting
i understand about ur physique etc y not do 1 legged squats holding a 20kg plate or a kettlebell 1 legged squats u can get more ROM
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how's the ROM increased by doing that?
Thighs go through a lower ROM if your knees move forward,i.e. when your shins go past 90 degrees to the ground.
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Thighs go through a lower ROM if your knees move forward,i.e. when your shins go past 90 degrees to the ground.
yeah, but with a straight back you can only go to parallel, maximum, if that.
with the diagonal back , you can go as far as your ass can reach.
wouldn't the ROM be greater with the "wrong" version?
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yeah, but with a straight back you can only go to parallel, maximum, if that.
with the diagonal back , you can go as far as your ass can reach.
wouldn't the ROM be greater with the "wrong" version?
LOL, thats true, I guess he chose to compare the parallel versions only.
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Thighs go through a lower ROM if your knees move forward,i.e. when your shins go past 90 degrees to the ground.
When I hit the part of the rep where it gets too hard I start to let my knees drift forward a little, or I let my upper body move forward, but just little by little. This way I maintain peak pressure for the entire rep.
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With the sissy Squat you can accomplish the same with much mroe efficiency and a fuller ROM,i.e. if you use the sissy squat setup that you can use to fix your shins in place.
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When I hit the part of the rep where it gets too hard I start to let my knees drift forward a little, or I let my upper body move forward, but just little by little. This way I maintain peak pressure for the entire rep.
squats are a quad and hamstring exercise. i don't know what kind of weird stuff you're doing, but my impression was that the maximum ROM and maximum resistance would produce maximum results. you're getting neither with your squats. this is bodybuilding, not balancing.
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With the sissy Squat you can accomplish the same with much mroe efficiency and a fuller ROM,i.e. if you use the sissy squat setup that you can use to fix your shins in place.
shouldn't sissy squats be used as a training aid for squatting competitions? not really effective for muscle building; possibly for "balance", in case you ever need to balance yourself in that position, i guess you'd be set with sissy squats.
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why not use the smith machine and get the best of both worlds..the ability to deep and still have a straight back, while carrying a decent weight under control
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shouldn't sissy squats be used as a training aid for squatting competitions? not really effective for muscle building; possibly for "balance", in case you ever need to balance yourself in that position, i guess you'd be set with sissy squats.
I think its gonna affect your squat number minimally if anything. As a training aid for those wanting to build muscle, it's probably a great exercise for taking the hams out of the equation.
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why not use the smith machine and get the best of both worlds..the ability to deep and still have a straight back, while carrying a decent weight under control
The knees take a shitload of beating that way, in theory atleast.
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With the sissy Squat you can accomplish the same with much mroe efficiency and a fuller ROM,i.e. if you use the sissy squat setup that you can use to fix your shins in place.
fixing the shins with the sissy squat setup would be a good way to switch things up and hit the muscles slightly differently, but the same principles would apply.
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why not use the smith machine and get the best of both worlds..the ability to deep and still have a straight back, while carrying a decent weight under control
if you are using the smith machine you're back is supported by the bar and what I said above applies differently. It changes the forces.
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Jeez if you are going to do squats that way because you want it harder then start doing one arm bench press too and only squat with one leg. This is a very dumb thread
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you can use this principle, moving closer to the impossible position throughout the range of motion with any exercise to ensure peak contraction throughout the rep.
If you're main concern is maximizing muscle tension this is the way to do it. You also have less risk of injury because injuries are mostly cause when you fall into a range of motion in which you are weaker.
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Jeez if you are going to do squats that way because you want it harder then start doing one arm bench press too and only squat with one leg. This is a very dumb thread
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The upper diagram is one handed bench press and the bottom is the now obsolete two handed version. This is harder ???
there is nothing harder than impossible
with a unilateral movement you will just won't be able to get as close to the impossible range of motion, but I agree it is a nice way to switch things up and recruit different stabilizer muscles
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squats are a quad and hamstring exercise. i don't know what kind of weird stuff you're doing, but my impression was that the maximum ROM and maximum resistance would produce maximum results. you're getting neither with your squats. this is bodybuilding, not balancing.
in the position diagramed in Figure B you would have to apply infinite tension that's why it is impossible.
In fact this position:
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is impossible as well, so is this one:
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or this one:
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or this one:
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But by modifying these positions slightly and moving steadilly through them you can create a range of motion that requires maximal resistance throughout. This is the pinnacle of the mind muscle connection. Controlling your movements so as to maximize muscle strain.
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Time is the dimensions of an object, all dimensions are equal and identical -If there is a particle there we can see it as we see all objects in existence, but very small particles, like neutrinoes are practically invisible, imagine how small a parellel squat particle would be then.
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by using your bodyparts to countrbalance to varrying degrees you can in effect spot or add resistance to the movement further
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Time is the dimensions of an object, all dimensions are equal and identical -If there is a particle there we can see it as we see all objects in existence, but very small particles, like neutrinoes are practically invisible, imagine how small a parellel squat particle would be then.
infinitely small
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by using your bodyparts to countrbalance to varrying degrees you can in effect spot or add resistance to the movement further
When it comes down to it, it all depends on distance: if there is resistance, there is distance. Basically this happens: a highdimensional object is in the photons way, and all of the sudden the photons oscillation in threedimensional space needs to adjust to the many dimensions of the object. The photon gives the object a higher frequency and its related (imagined) spin, the particle is forced to an area with equally fast spin, the light thus bend, depending on frequency.
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I think you guys are missing my point. My goal is not to lift the most weight it is to make the exercise as hard as possible.
I'm not missing your point.
I'm just pointing out that "parallell" squats isn't referring to the back and the shins being parallell, but rather the thigh being parallell to the ground.
Hope. This. Heps.
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I'm not missing your point.
I'm just pointing out that "parallell" squats isn't referring to the back and the shins being parallell, but rather the thigh being parallell to the ground.
Hope. This. Heps.
Why would it help, isn't it clear from my initial post that I understand this distinction already? See below
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figure A
the figure above is what's normally considered parallel for a squat, if you're strong you can hold a lot of weight this way
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figure B
This figure on the other hand represents what I MEAN by a parallel squat.
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When it comes down to it, it all depends on distance: if there is resistance, there is distance. Basically this happens: a highdimensional object is in the photons way, and all of the sudden the photons oscillation in threedimensional space needs to adjust to the many dimensions of the object. The photon gives the object a higher frequency and its related (imagined) spin, the particle is forced to an area with equally fast spin, the light thus bend, depending on frequency.
please try to elaborate.
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I don't do squats anymore but i probably should hahahah
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I think you guys are missing my point. My goal is not to lift the most weight it is to make the exercise as hard as possible.
then i propose this squat:
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try it, hard as hell.
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Squatting heavy isn't the only way to make squatting hard. In fact you can make squatting impossible without any extra weight at all. What this means is that by controlling the ROM of a squat (or any other exercise for that matter) you can ensure maximal difficulty for the entire rep.
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figure A
the figure above is what's normally considered paralell for a squat, if you're strong you can hold a lot of weight this way
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figure B
This figure on the other hand represents what I MEAN by a paralell squat. It is impossible to hold (if you don't believe me try it or read up on the physics, start with torques). To make squatting harder without the use of any additional weight try to start squatting more like figure B and less like figure A.
so what? ::)
figure b is sitting on a chair. and sitting on a chair is possible :D
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please try to elaborate.
About what? Penile enlargement ? Quantum gravity, whatever that is? You would do better to explain yourself more fully, rather that issuing dogmatic statements like that. Some of us, and I include myself, understand very little about physics.
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figure B
We do this one each time we do legs with Milos.
Granted, we're doing it on a Smith Machine, but our feet are way out in front like that. And we go further down.
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Why would it help, isn't it clear from my initial post that I understand this distinction already? See below
Ok.
In figure "A", the thighs are parallell to the ground, thus making it a...
parallell squat.
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figure A
the figure above is what's normally considered paralell for a squat, if you're strong you can hold a lot of weight this way
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figure B
This figure on the other hand represents what I MEAN by a paralell squat. It is impossible to hold (if you don't believe me try it or read up on the physics, start with torques). To make squatting harder without the use of any additional weight try to start squatting more like figure B and less like figure A.
It doesn't matter what you mean by a parallell squat. If the thighs are parallell to the ground, they are parallell to the ground.
And how is physics making parallell squats impossible?
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Here are some amazing pictures of Nicole doing squats:
(http://www.koloseum.com/gallery/Galleries//1/57/IMG_0030.JPG)
(http://www.koloseum.com/gallery/Galleries//1/57/IMG_0019.JPG)
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I don't do squats anymore but i probably should hahahah
You probably should start very soon! ;)
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Here are some amazing pictures of Nicole doing squats:
(http://www.koloseum.com/gallery/Galleries//1/57/IMG_0030.JPG)
(http://www.koloseum.com/gallery/Galleries//1/57/IMG_0019.JPG)
moronic.
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why dew noobs make things such hard?
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Tits!
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that girl looks very lickable.
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About what? Penile enlargement ? Quantum gravity, whatever that is? You would do better to explain yourself more fully, rather that issuing dogmatic statements like that. Some of us, and I include myself, understand very little about physics.
I would be happy to elaborate would it help if I gave some more concrete examples?
I would like you to elaborate on how your quote below can be applied to working out, perhaps give an example.
When it comes down to it, it all depends on distance: if there is resistance, there is distance. Basically this happens: a highdimensional object is in the photons way, and all of the sudden the photons oscillation in threedimensional space needs to adjust to the many dimensions of the object. The photon gives the object a higher frequency and its related (imagined) spin, the particle is forced to an area with equally fast spin, the light thus bend, depending on frequency.
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Squatting heavy isn't the only way to make squatting hard. In fact you can make squatting impossible without any extra weight at all. What this means is that by controlling the ROM of a squat (or any other exercise for that matter) you can ensure maximal difficulty for the entire rep.
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figure A
the figure above is what's normally considered paralell for a squat, if you're strong you can hold a lot of weight this way
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figure B
This figure on the other hand represents what I MEAN by a paralell squat. It is impossible to hold (if you don't believe me try it or read up on the physics, start with torques). To make squatting harder without the use of any additional weight try to start squatting more like figure B and less like figure A.
YOU ARE AN IDIOT TRYING TO GET SOMEONE TO HURT THEMSELVES ON THIS BOARD....
Figure B squats are called WALL SQUATS and involves a rolling apparatus behind ones back so they can slide up and down against a wall with a flat back and relatively perpendicular shins to the floor. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SQUAT WITH EVEN ONES BODY WEIGHT WITH THE BACK AND SHINS PERPENDICULAR TO THE FLOOR. The closest exercise that allows a flat back and perpendicular shins is the HACK SQUAT MACHINE...and to a lesser degree the SMITH MACHINE SQUATS.
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YOU ARE AN IDIOT TRYING TO GET SOMEONE TO HURT THEMSELVES ON THIS BOARD....
Figure B squats are called WALL SQUATS and involves a rolling apparatus behind ones back so they can slide up and down against a wall with a flat back and relatively perpendicular shins to the floor. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SQUAT WITH EVEN ONES BODY WEIGHT WITH THE BACK AND SHINS PERPENDICULAR TO THE FLOOR. The closest exercise that allows a flat back and perpendicular shins is the HACK SQUAT MACHINE...and to a lesser degree the SMITH MACHINE SQUATS.
read what I wrote more carefully.
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If you're main concern is maximizing muscle tension this is the way to do it. You also have less risk of injury because injuries are mostly cause when you fall into a range of motion in which you are weaker.
This makes no sense.
The "better" position you're recommending would place your body in a weaker state, more likely leading to injury. Your body's natural state is closer to your first illustration when handling heavier weights.
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Leg press is better, more of the weight can be put on the legs rather than lower back. Hack squats are better as well.
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Leg press is better, more of the weight can be put on the legs rather than lower back. Hack squats are better as well.
Apples and oranges...well, depending on which fruit is better. Biomechanics of the Squat are much different than the leg press, which allow the legs to be hit much better. The leg press is no susbtitute for it.
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This makes no sense.
The "better" position you're recommending would place your body in a weaker state, more likely leading to injury. Your body's natural state is closer to your first illustration when handling heavier weights.
It makes perfect sense.
You take a weight say 500lbs, you can only handle this weight in your very strongest range of motion, but you get a little bit out of the groove and now you are in a much weaker position, what's going to happen? You will probably get a bad injury.
Now take my method you have no weight on your back and you are trying to move through the hardest possible range of motion, but you can't handle it so either you slip into an easier groove which means less resistance or you lose your balance and have to step back. Either way you're not going to get hurt.
does that make sense now?
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Leg press is better, more of the weight can be put on the legs rather than lower back. Hack squats are better as well.
by altering the ROM you can put as much or as little weight as you want on the legs or lower back.
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It makes perfect sense.
You take a weight say 500lbs, you can only handle this weight in your very strongest range of motion, but you get a little bit out of the groove and now you are in a much weaker position, what's going to happen? You will probably get a bad injury.
Now take my method you have no weight on your back and you are trying to move through the hardest possible range of motion, but you can't handle it so either you slip into an easier groove which means less resistance or you lose your balance and have to step back. Either way you're not going to get hurt.
does that make sense now?
I guess if you want to stay a 145lb weakling then yes, it makes perfect sense.
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why not use the smith machine and get the best of both worlds..the ability to deep and still have a straight back, while carrying a decent weight under control
the smith squat has always been very hard on my knees
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two words
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why dew noobs make things such hard?
because they dont wanna work hard. so they make up excuses.
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This thread is about as dumb as it gets
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It makes perfect sense.
You take a weight say 500lbs, you can only handle this weight in your very strongest range of motion, but you get a little bit out of the groove and now you are in a much weaker position, what's going to happen? You will probably get a bad injury.
Now take my method you have no weight on your back and you are trying to move through the hardest possible range of motion, but you can't handle it so either you slip into an easier groove which means less resistance or you lose your balance and have to step back. Either way you're not going to get hurt.
does that make sense now?
so what?
you are all bullshit. making bodybuilding more complicated than it has to be.
and yes, i have university degrees, and i have knowledge in physics, mathematics.
your one of those pussies that tries to talk himself out of hard work.
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I would like you to elaborate on how your quote below can be applied to working out, perhaps give an example.
Quite basic actually:
An object that moves anywhere in the universe has it's original momentum from the big bang. The motion of objects causes curves in spacetime-a geometric representation of gravity. Spacetime is the 3 spatial dimensions (1-forward/backwards, 2-left/right and 3-up/down, and the one time dimension-forward, which causes an invisible fabric known as the spacetime contiuum.
So just apply this to parallel squats and you're ready to go !
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so what?
you are all bullshit. making bodybuilding more complicated than it has to be.
and yes, i have university degrees, and i have knowledge in phsyics, mathematics.
your one of those pussies that tries to talk himself out of hard work.
Actually I'm trying to make bodybuilding simpler by eliminating the need for machines and more effective by increasing our ability to apply tension to our muscles.
If you think I'm trying to avoid hard work, try what I have proposed, you will see that it is incredibly hard.
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Leg press is better, more of the weight can be put on the legs rather than lower back. Hack squats are better as well.
If you believe that, your squats probably resemble a good morning more than squat, no offence.
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If you squat like B sooner or later you will fuck yourself up and fall using free weight, i recommend you to throw front squats in the mix every time you train legs, on the front squad the form is perfect.
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bast, hows doing calves in the legpress working for you? do you recommend that exercise?
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Actually I'm trying to make bodybuilding simpler by eliminating the need for machines and more effective by increasing our ability to apply tension to our muscles.
If you think I'm trying to avoid hard work, try what I have proposed, you will see that it is incredibly hard.
nope. ill stick to reg squats, front squats, leg presses to build my thighs. also use hack squats and leg extensions for my thighs. dont need more exercises than that. dont need to complicate it more.
im a believer in creative and innovative thinking, sure....but bodybuilding aint rocket science (as you heard many times)
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If you squat like B sooner or later you will fuck yourself up and fall using free weight, i recommend you to throw front squats in the mix every time you train legs, on the front squad the form is perfect.
if you fall once in a while what's the big deal, it's only your bodyweight
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If you believe that, your squats probably resemble a good morning more than squat, no offence.
when I first started squatting I led with a good morning like forward lean. I could lift a lot more weight this way
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if you fall once in a while what's the big deal, it's only your bodyweight
no weithts used ofcoruse no big deal. But you wll need some weight on your traps, to build legs bro.
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Quite basic actually:
An object that moves anywhere in the universe has it's original momentum from the big bang. The motion of objects causes curves in spacetime-a geometric representation of gravity. Spacetime is the 3 spatial dimensions (1-forward/backwards, 2-left/right and 3-up/down, and the one time dimension-forward, which causes an invisible fabric known as the spacetime contiuum.
So just apply this to parallel squats and you're ready to go !
so how should I change my approach to incorporate this fact given my objectives of greater body control (balance) and physique development?
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no weithts used ofcoruse no big deal. But you wll need some weight on your traps, to build legs bro.
read my initial post again
the whole point is that you don't need anything but bodyweight, you can apply any amount of tension to your legs just by controlling the range of motion.
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so how should I change my approach to incorporate this fact given my objectives of greater body control (balance) and physique development?
We are not talking about relativistic effects here are we?
If not then the gain in mass is due to an inelastic collision with some other mass, and you have to know the initial velocity of the other mass it collided with to solve the problem.
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shiftedShapes is a total beast. he's a living breathing man mountain that shows whatever he's doing it works for him!
dont ever doubt him!
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read my initial post again
the whole point is that you don't need anything but bodyweight, you can apply any amount of tension to your legs just by controlling the range of motion.
why don't you just stop bullshitting and start squatting? what is this straight back bullshit you're preaching? you're a 145 lbs for god's sake, you have no clue about bodybuilding. show us a picture of your massively tension built huge legs.
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hahahaha, I'm sick of these 160 pound fitness clowns that always try to come up with another "formula" or "routine". Instead of just lifting weights and eating in a way that has been proven to get the job done for the last 50 years, they want to let you know about some "german circuit method training" or "the johnny jobless 300 point program" the funniest part is these are the guys that look like they only eat half a boiled egg a day and some tic tacs post workout
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hahahaha, I'm sick of these 160 pound fitness clowns that always try to come up with another "formula" or "routine". Instead of just lifting weights and eating in a way that has been proven to get the job done for the last 50 years, they want to let you know about some "german circuit method training" or "the johnny jobless 300 point program" the funniest part is these are the guys that look like they only eat half a boiled egg a day and some tic tacs post workout
AMEN. and some polisario crown bagels.
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El Marichi is the last person to give advice aka the Tiny "Tit of the Day"
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shiftedShapes is a total beast. he's a living breathing man mountain that shows whatever he's doing it works for him!
dont ever doubt him!
(http://www.cps2mania.emuita.it/wallpapers/akuma800.jpg)
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squats are a quad and hamstring exercise. i don't know what kind of weird stuff you're doing, but my impression was that the maximum ROM and maximum resistance would produce maximum results. you're getting neither with your squats. this is bodybuilding, not balancing.
hahhah Like it matters what YOU do. You have looked the same awful for 5-7 years now. You even have used steroids and look worse than anyone on the board.
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Squats build up the ass as much as the quads. Leg press is better. Of course it is a replacement for squats. Bob Chick and plenty bodybuilders have huge legs without squats.
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Squats build up the ass as much as the quads. Leg press is better. Of course it is a replacement for squats. Bob Chick and plenty bodybuilders have huge legs without squats.
Yes the type of leg training I am recomending requires full body tension, so if you are affraid of building thick glutes this is not for you. I'm not saying it's the only way to build legs either. I doubt platz ever tried this, I'm just presenting an interesting theory for anyone who is open minded enough to try it.
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Squats build up the ass as much as the quads. Leg press is better. Of course it is a replacement for squats. Bob Chick and plenty bodybuilders have huge legs without squats.
your showing your ignorance.
they squat heavy for years and build up great size..then after building 30inch quads they can back off the heavy squat poundages and focus more on leg presses etc.
there comes a point where the risk of injury becomes to high...doing 550-600lbs squats week after week can become too much.
but when coming up, almost everyone with great legs built the foundation with squats.
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so I'm doing these again today, as my balance is improving they are getting REALLY hard. it Literally feels like I'm being crushed. a great full body workout no doubt
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are u using additional weight for this? Describe exactly how you're doing these, thanks.
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are u using additional weight for this? Describe exactly how you're doing these, thanks.
no additional weight, without going into all of the concepts, I'll tell you practically what I'm doing. I'm moving backwards from standing upright to a full squat (ass to the grass) whilst trying to stay as far back and upright as possible.
It is a smooth, albeit slow, continuous motion, but first I'm leaning back as my arms extend forward with knees and waist unbent (I'm really moving at the ankle), then as this gets too hard I start to move back from the knee (but trying to keep the knees themselves from drifting forward), then when this gets too hard I start to let waist bend. As you get lower it gets really hard and you have to let the knees drift forward a little bit and the upper body as well.
Give it a try, unlimited leg loading is at your disposal anytime anywhere..
BTW this is so hard I can never get more than one rep.
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no additional weight, without going into all of the concepts, I'll tell you practically what I'm doing. I'm moving backwards from standing upright to a full squat (ass to the grass) whilst trying to stay as far back and upright as possible.
It is a smooth, albeit slow, continuous motion, but first I'm leaning back as my arms extend forward with knees and waist unbent (I'm really moving at the ankle), then as this gets too hard I start to move back from the knee (but trying to keep the knees themselves from drifting forward), then when this gets too hard I start to let waist bend. As you get lower it gets really hard and you have to let the knees drift forward a little bit and the upper body as well.
Give it a try, unlimited leg loading is at your disposal anytime anywhere..
BTW this is so hard I can never get more than one rep.
holy shit that's hard dude, I can barely even do the top 1/4th motion, lol! I'll give this a shot for now, since I'm not doing any "weight training" anymore for a few weeks, just sticking to BW exercises (because of ramadan). I tried 1 rep (well almost got half way through after almost falling over 3-4 times) and I can feel the burn in my lower quads.
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holy shit that's hard dude, I can barely even do the top 1/4th motion, lol! I'll give this a shot for now, since I'm not doing any "weight training" anymore for a few weeks, just sticking to BW exercises (because of ramadan). I tried 1 rep (well almost got half way through after almost falling over 3-4 times) and I can feel the burn in my lower quads.
well you can get past your sticking point by letting your knees drift forward a little bit more or letting your upper body drift forward, or a little bit of both. This is just a way of counterbalancing.
Another possibility is starting from the bottom (deep squat with ass to calves) and trying to stand up.
I think the key is to go slow and adjust your body position as necessary so you are applying the maximum tension but not going so far back that you lose your balance. Feel it out.
good luck, they are a great workout.
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I did feel my balance started to improve with those- doing 1-legged sqts after that felt easier. Only problem I have is that I dont feel it is hard enough on the concentric motion, all the work seems to be involved in the eccentric (which is hard as shit). Let me know of idears, thanks.