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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The Squadfather on October 13, 2007, 08:07:25 AM
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very expensive diahhrea, discuss.
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very expensive diahhrea, discuss.
With all the pharmaceuticals an athlete takes the protein synthesis is running on literally superhuman levels; it should work fine...
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With all the pharmaceuticals an athlete takes the protein synthesis is running on literally superhuman levels; it should work fine...
hahahhaa, bullshit, there isn't a human being on this planet who can train hard enough to demand that much BCAA's, Ronnie Coleman and Markus Ruhl included.
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With all the pharmaceuticals an athlete takes the protein synthesis is running on literally superhuman levels; it should work fine...
It has been stated in many studies that 1.5 is the max needed even for the hardest training bodybuilder.
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It has been stated in many studies that 1.5 is the max needed even for the hardest training bodybuilder.
If natural yes but if you are taking uncountable numbers of steroids and HGH your protein synthesis is literally superhuman. You can process protein in greater quantity and with greater speed. This is a fact.
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If natural yes but if you are taking uncountable numbers of steroids and HGH your protein synthesis is literally superhuman. You can process protein in greater quantity and with greater speed. This is a fact.
bullshit.
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That's a lot of BCAA...Better Spending all that money on More Gear or food...I couldn't Imagine what happens after you consume 150 grams of that shit
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4 sets of barbell bench
4 sets of barbell incline
a couple set of DB flies
maybe even the pec dec
considering that most probably eat a meal a couple of hours before
yep, the body needs BCAA to recover from all that ::)
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If natural yes but if you are taking uncountable numbers of steroids and HGH your protein synthesis is literally superhuman. You can process protein in greater quantity and with greater speed. This is a fact.
::) Your body only has so many receptors. Jamming more hormones into your body doesn't speed up the process of protien synthesis. Flooding a car with gasoline doesn't make it go faster.
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4 sets of barbell bench
4 sets of barbell incline
a couple set of DB flies
maybe even the pec dec
considering that most probably eat a meal a couple of hours before
yep, the body needs BCAA to recover from all that ::)
hahahahaa, 10 sets of arms supersets and then go to the gym refridgerator for a 10 gallon bucket of BCAA, Glutamine, Creatine, Anadrol, Insulin, GH, Nubain, Oxycontin, Viagra, Whey, Noxplode, etc., followed closely by chubby moonface and cellulite. :D
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bullshit.
http://www.steroids-shop.net/steroidsfacts.html
leaves the cell nucleus and bonds with the RNA in the cytoplasm (liquid cell part) where, through translation an increased protein synthesis takes place.
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If natural yes but if you are taking uncountable numbers of steroids and HGH your protein synthesis is literally superhuman. You can process protein in greater quantity and with greater speed. This is a fact.
Muscletech called - they are suing you for coming up with more BS than they do
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http://www.steroids-shop.net/steroidsfacts.html
not increased to the point where you need 600 grams of protein for fuccks sake, hahahahaa, a 1200 pounnd Rhino doesn't need that much protein let alone a tiny 285 pound human.
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::) Your body only has so many receptors. Jamming more hormones into your body doesn't speed up the process of protien synthesis. Flooding a car with gasoline doesn't make it go faster.
What the hell does it have to do with receptors? Hypertrophy is the thickening of the muscle fibers. That's what increased protein synthesis is about and it is the primary effect of the anabolic component of steroids.
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What the hell does it have to do with receptors? Hypertrophy is the thickening of the muscle fibers. That's what increased protein synthesis is about and it is the primary effect of the anabolic component of steroids.
Nevermind, you obviously missed the point. Go out and buy yourself a couple of tubs of whey. It is ok. I once had a friend go through an 8 pound tub of isopure in a week because he thought it would make him grow faster. We all make dumb mistakes in out lives. Some of us learn and some of us don't.
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not increased to the point where you need 600 grams of protein for fuccks sake, hahahahaa, a 1200 pounnd Rhino doesn't need that much protein let alone a tiny 285 pound human.
600 no, 1.5-2 grams per kg of body weight natural, 3 or 4 with significant steroid intake...
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not increased to the point where you need 600 grams of protein for fuccks sake, hahahahaa, a 1200 pounnd Rhino doesn't need that much protein let alone a tiny 285 pound human.
try 170lbs taking 300+ grams of proteins ::)
fucking idiots buy more supps than people that actually work out hard
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Nevermind, you obviously missed the point. Go out and buy yourself a couple of tubs of whey. It is ok. I once had a friend go through an 8 pound tub of isopure in a week because he thought it would make him grow faster. We all make dumb mistakes in out lives. Some of us learn and some of us don't.
I didn't. I don't juice so your point is irrelevant. I take in my 2 grams per kg and that is it. Beyond that the only thing that would make me grow faster would be a restructuring of my DNA....
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Mike Mentzer at around 100 grams a day, why does an average trainer need more? ::)
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Mike Mentzer at around 100 grams a day, why does an average trainer need more? ::)
100 a day? Source?
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I didn't. I don't juice so your point is irrelevant. I take in my 2 grams per kg and that is it. Beyond that the only thing that would make me grow faster would be a restructuring of my DNA....
Hey if you want to go agaisnt every single study that has proven the 2 is overkill be my guest. It's your money, time, kidneys, joints, etc..
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100 a day? Source?
it's common knowledge, if you don't know this by now you're either a teenager or don't follow the business very closely.
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100 a day? Source?
is that fuko in your avatar?
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Hey if you want to go agaisnt every single study that has proven the 2 is overkill be my guest. It's your money, time, kidneys, joints, etc..
2 is overkill? Between 1.5 and 2 is fine. Drinking enough water, the kidneys are fine.
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is that fuko in your avatar?
Yes.
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I don't believe the average person needs more than 1.5 grams per pound.....
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I don't believe the average person needs more than 1.5 grams per pound.....
You sure used to subscribe to such a hare-brained theory when you were DCing it.
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very expensive diahhrea, discuss.
Are you suggesting that Sanke OilTM is not the most anabolic substance on earth? :o
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I've always believed that 1g/ LBM is fine if your carbs are moderate but upping to 1.5/LBM if your carbs are low as carbs spare protein breakdown. You are feeding your muscle mass not inactive stored fat.
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150g BCAA !!
maybe its spaced out something like morning cardio:15g
before/during/after morning weight training: 15/15/15g
evening cardio:15g
before/during/after evening weight training: 15/15/15g
before bedtime:15g
after sex:15g
total = 150g !!!
??? ???
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A steroid using bodybuilder might in fact need LESS protein for optimal growth. A steroid using bb recycles protein more efficiently.
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very expensive diahhrea, discuss.
Seriously, check your info before posting. It's like 36g (~12 pre + ~12 during + ~12 post). And it's not BCAA's.
Pre: http://koloseum.com//store/ProductDetail.asp?bDetail=T&IDProduct=2&iNum=1
During: http://koloseum.com/store/ProductDetail.asp?bDetail=T&IDProduct=3&iNum=1
Post: http://koloseum.com/store/ProductDetail.asp?bDetail=T&IDProduct=4&iNum=1
Do you guys even confirm stuff like this for youselves?
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A steroid using bodybuilder might in fact need LESS protein for optimal growth. A steroid using bb recycles protein more efficiently.
hahaha that is by far the most retarded statement i've ever heard...and i was a member of bb.com for 5 years
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hahahahaa, 10 sets of arms supersets and then go to the gym refridgerator for a 10 gallon bucket of BCAA, Glutamine, Creatine, Anadrol, Insulin, GH, Nubain, Oxycontin, Viagra, Whey, Noxplode, etc., followed closely by chubby moonface and cellulite. :D
KINDA LIKE YOURSELF :D
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You sure used to subscribe to such a hare-brained theory when you were DCing it.
As I recall you've started numerous discussions advocating the "a calorie is a calorie" theory, so based on that concept at its purest, one could consume 2 or 3 grams of protein per lb per day as long as carb and fat grams aren't high enough to induce a caloric surplus.
Besides, like somebody said, as long as your kidneys are already healthy and you're drinking a gallon of water a day, there aren't much in the way of proven side effects of "protein overdose", at least I've never been able to find a study that proved it. If anybody knows of one though I'm all ears.
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hahaha that is by far the most retarded statement i've ever heard...and i was a member of bb.com for 5 years
We recently reported that 5 days of oxandrolone administration increased skeletal muscle anabolism by stimulation of protein synthesis, because protein breakdown was unchanged (15). Also, we reported a significant decrease in outward amino acid transport (FV,M), along with a calculated increase in protein synthetic efficiency, together indicating increased intracellular reutilization of amino acid
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/278/2/E273
Read that a few times. When you are ON amino acids are utilized more efficiently, less goes to "waste".
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You sure used to subscribe to such a hare-brained theory when you were DCing it.
no, I've never taken in anymore than 1.5 at the absolue most at anytime and even that would be pushing it. I believe protien consumption is important but I'm not the kind of guy who's gonna sit up all day and worry about it either. I still train DC and enjoy it, I still eat about 1.0-1.25 grams a day per pound....nothing has changed...go back and reread things, never said anything more was needed..BUT if someone wanted to go fo 2.0 fine, go for it. See what happens, if it works more power to ya, if not that's great as well...why would it matter to me?
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very expensive diahhrea, discuss.
the usual milos scam.
trying to sell more of his bs supplements.
500g p a day...ohh brother.
150g BCAA ::)
once again ill have a steak with some rice thanks.
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around 1g protein/lbs bw /day is enough...maybe slightly more if your dieting (1.25)
if people learn the basics then scam artists like milos wont be able to spread all the bs lies.
also if a natural starts using milos super isolation superset giant drop sets shit training he will make zero gains.
use a simple 3 day training routine and focus on the basics.
all this hocus pocus does is taking away focus from what really counts:
-1g protein/lbs bw /day
-250-500 calories more than daily maintainence
-lifting progressively heavier weights in the bacis compound exercises
-getting adequate rest
-lifting for years (consistency)
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around 1g protein/lbs bw /day is enough...maybe slightly more if your dieting (1.25)
if people learn the basics then scam artists like milos wont be able to spread all the bs lies.
also if a natural starts using milos super isolation superset giant drop sets shit training he will make zero gains.
use a simple 3 day training routine and focus on the basics.
all this hocus pocus does is taking away focus from what really counts:
-1g protein/lbs bw /day
-250-500 calories more than daily maintainence
-lifting progressively heavier weights in the bacis compound exercises
-getting adequate rest
-lifting for years (consistency)
You forgot one:
-$6,000/month line of credit with Muscletech Direct to your Door
:)
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You forgot one:
-$6,000/month line of credit with Muscletech Direct to your Door
:)
haha the idiots dont realize you cant buy hard work. (when you gotta do it yourself)
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Poliquin says 0.44g per kg of bodyweight
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Poliquin says 0.44g per kg of bodyweight
Poliquin is insane. Milos is tight with that guy, says Poliquin is one of the greatest trainers around. I remember where Poliquin has recommended something like 50-100 grams of BCAAs during training and 100 grams of glutamine after, and shit like that.
Of course, Poliquin also believes you can put on 20lbs of muscle just by taking out your tooth fillings and dropping from 8% bodyfat to 2% in a couple of days by taking vitamin C intravenously.
Easy to see how Milos was influenced by him.
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Poliquin is insane. Milos is tight with that guy, says Poliquin is one of the greatest trainers around. I remember where Poliquin has recommended something like 50-100 grams of BCAAs during training and 100 grams of glutamine after, and shit like that.
Of course, Poliquin also believes you can put on 20lbs of muscle just by taking out your tooth fillings and dropping from 8% bodyfat to 2% in a couple of days by taking vitamin C intravenously.
Easy to see how Milos was influenced by him.
never read where Poliquin recommends that much BCAA
http://www.charlespoliquin.com/members/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=262
this BCAA protocol looks good
Milos and Poliquin are doing seminars together , Milos nutrition part , Poliquin training part
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never read where Poliquin recommends that much BCAA
http://www.charlespoliquin.com/members/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=262
this BCAA protocol looks good
Milos and Poliquin are doing seminars together , Milos nutrition part , Poliquin training part
His recommendations have been all over the place, but always megadoses.
From your link, the typical Poliquin BS:
For example, if you weigh 90 kilograms (198 lbs), take 40 grams of branch chain amino acids. If you are on a restricted budget, use at least 20 grams. Otherwise, don’t bother. Using this type of dosage, it is not uncommon for some of my clients to gain 9 lbs of lean body mass in just 3 weeks using this protocol.
What a scam artist.
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...didnt help MIlos arms any..... ::)
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His recommendations have been all over the place, but always megadoses.
From your link, the typical Poliquin BS:
What a scam artist.
exactly. poliquin is another bullshitter.
to be honest im not even sure if its theoretically possible to add 9lbs of muscle in three weeks. (even if using aas, gh and god knows what).. (not talking about regaining muscle)
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Yes.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0c/Fuko.jpg/200px-Fuko.jpg)
47" chest...BOOM!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKAWkIMgd3o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKAWkIMgd3o)
Each one is pretty much twice the size of her head, perfect! ;)
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0c/Fuko.jpg/200px-Fuko.jpg)
47" chest...BOOM!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKAWkIMgd3o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKAWkIMgd3o)
Each one is pretty much twice the size of her head, perfect! ;)
chop off her titties and sew em on her back.
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around 1g protein/lbs bw /day is enough...maybe slightly more if your dieting (1.25)
if people learn the basics then scam artists like milos wont be able to spread all the bs lies.
also if a natural starts using milos super isolation superset giant drop sets shit training he will make zero gains.
use a simple 3 day training routine and focus on the basics.
all this hocus pocus does is taking away focus from what really counts:
-1g protein/lbs bw /day
-250-500 calories more than daily maintainence
-lifting progressively heavier weights in the bacis compound exercises
-getting adequate rest
-lifting for years (consistency)
I totally agree, Slaveboy ;
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::) Your body only has so many receptors. Jamming more hormones into your body doesn't speed up the process of protien synthesis. Flooding a car with gasoline doesn't make it go faster.
What if the 'engine' is modified for performance, then it will be able to make use of more fuel to go faster.
Why is it that when someone jams more hormones into their body they gain lean muscle mass at a faster rate than if they were natural say?
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poliquin recommends 20-40 grams of bcaa's during training. Thats it........do some freakin research before u guys start spouting off incorrect information please.
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Heh, I agree. I don't know about Poliquin, but what Milos says is radically different from what these guys are saying he says.
Here's a good place to start. Which type are you? :D
https://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=584534&cr=
Tell me what you think about the article in general.
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Heh, I agree. I don't know about Poliquin, but what Milos says is radically different from what these guys are saying he says.
I'll post this, yet again, for those of you who were playing the Jump to Conclusions game and didn't bother reading the whole thread before spouting ignorance:
Yeah but how long are you working out for? 3 hours? you don't digest food quick enough for it to be of any use DURING the workout unless its pre and post workout that makes sense.
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Garraeth... summarize for me, what is the ideal "bodybuilding during workout" drink. Exactly what is in it.
Thanks :D
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Garraeth... summarize for me, what is the ideal "bodybuilding during workout" drink. Exactly what is in it.
Thanks :D
:D
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Garraeth... summarize for me, what is the ideal "bodybuilding during workout" drink. Exactly what is in it.
Thanks :D
he gotta ask milos first ::)
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bump... help!
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dextrose will raise your blood sugar levels quickly, but then so would a can of coke. :-\
the aminos will do absolutely nothing (might give you nausea though :-X). the chicken and rice you ingested earlier would do a much better job of raising nitrogen levels. ;)
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Milos used to buy a lot of Xtend from me. BCAA's would be the most widely used supplement ever if the raw materials weren't so expensive.
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dextrose will raise your blood sugar levels quickly, but then so would a can of coke. :-\
the aminos will do absolutely nothing (might give you nausea though :-X). the chicken and rice you ingested earlier would do a much better job of raising nitrogen levels. ;)
coke is made from high fructose corn syrup
i swear some of the shit people post here makes me wonder if some of you guys are 15 year old tards that weigh 130lbs
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Milos used to buy a lot of Xtend from me. BCAA's would be the most widely used supplement ever if the raw materials weren't so expensive.
i agree
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Milos used to buy a lot of Xtend from me. BCAA's would be the most widely used supplement ever if the raw materials weren't so expensive.
Hey, YOU are THE person to answer this: are most amino's on the market made out of human hair like Milos says?
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Milos used to buy a lot of Xtend from me. BCAA's would be the most widely used supplement ever if the raw materials weren't so expensive.
BCAAs are not expensive.
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are most amino's on the market made out of human hair like Milos says?
Hell no.
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150 bcaa's huh ::)?
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totally stupid idea
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(http://www.manninen.info/pics/anssi_manninen.jpg)
Hahahah looks like our local egg head decided to pop in and give his opinon from the peanut gallery.
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I workout for from an hour to hour and half.
Course you don't digest food fast enough. Why do you think Milos insists that we drink aminos and dextrose? Those two things get absorbed almost immediately (within minutes).
If you eat chicken/rice, that's going to take HOURS to absorb. So I eat chicken/rice several hours before -- so I have sustained carbs (the rice) all day. And the slow/steady protein from the chicken (or whatever meat). The aminos and dextrose are for the spike -- when my activity spikes...I want my nutrients to spike as well.
Only makes sense. These people who argue otherwise are just arguing for the sake of arguing. ::) Gets old. But there are couple people on the board who truly would like to know.
ok. sounds alright. lol.
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i am one cocky sob i'll tell you ALL that much.
i really need to be put in my place so i would invite someone, ANYONE, to put me in my place here.
PLEASE PROVE TO ME THAT INGESTING BRANCH CHAINED AMINO ACIDS ON TOP OF AN ADEQUATELY PORTIONED PROTEIN DIET WILL PROVIDE ANY BENEFIT WHATSOEVER OTHER THAN ADDING TO SOME SUPPLEMENT COMPANY'S BANK BALANCE.
please avoid wasting energy and bandwith with brow/chest beating. all that does is embolden me further ;D and gets old fast. ;)
thankyou. :D
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150g a day that is 10lb per month , 200$ on BCAA :o
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150 bcaa's huh ::)?
150g a day that is 10lb per month , 200$ on BCAA :o
Wow, talk about lack of reading comprehension. I'll say it again (third time in this thread):
Seriously, check your info before posting. It's like 36g (~12 pre + ~12 during + ~12 post). And it's not BCAA's.
Pre: http://koloseum.com//store/ProductDetail.asp?bDetail=T&IDProduct=2&iNum=1
During: http://koloseum.com/store/ProductDetail.asp?bDetail=T&IDProduct=3&iNum=1
Post: http://koloseum.com/store/ProductDetail.asp?bDetail=T&IDProduct=4&iNum=1
Do you guys even confirm stuff like this for youselves?
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(http://www.manninen.info/pics/anssi_manninen.jpg)
(http://www.fresh-egg.net/images/egg_head.gif)
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100g of aminos? thats nearly a quarter pound of straight aminos....
all the aminos you need in a day can be had in 1 bunch of parsley blended into one of your shakes. I take half a bunch and blend it into a cup of v-8 twice a day. Keeps my breath fresh, get all my aminos, antioxidants, extra fiber, is massive anti inflammatory to promote better recovery and also helps your...um....PeterNorthi sms
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i am one cocky sob i'll tell you ALL that much.
i really need to be put in my place so i would invite someone, ANYONE, to put me in my place here.
PLEASE PROVE TO ME THAT INGESTING BRANCH CHAINED AMINO ACIDS ON TOP OF AN ADEQUATELY PORTIONED PROTEIN DIET WILL PROVIDE ANY BENEFIT WHATSOEVER OTHER THAN ADDING TO SOME SUPPLEMENT COMPANY'S BANK BALANCE.
please avoid wasting energy and bandwith with brow/chest beating. all that does is embolden me further ;D and gets old fast. ;)
thankyou. :D
I surely cannot. I am a computer scientist, not a bio-engineer (or whatever). But since I train with arguably the #1 bodybuilder/fitness model trainer in the world, I listen to his advice. And I see no reason for him to mislead me.
And I would guess that just like the computer world, the bio world is crock full of shitty and trendy studies. And, at the same time, has some very good ones. So you could probably go back and forth with studies all day long.
I know in the computer world there are many, many articles written about "amazing" technologies such as Ruby or CSS or even back in the day before everyone else figured it out, Perl (sucks ass for internet, other than very specialized application). But since I have used them all, and consider myself to know a bit about real-world usage, I've found that the studies that say those technologies are amazing and whiz-bang, are dead wrong. Beginners usually believe the studies and blindly argue for them (like a religion)...then after a couple years of usage (if they are smart and loose their zealot status), figure out that they were wrong and change.
On the other hand, AJAX is one of the most amazing technologies I have ever found (for internet dev) -- and the studies (often times by the same authors who drummed up support for shit like Ruby, Perl or CSS) agree with me. So, what does that tell me? Only someone with real world experience can give you a good idea as to what actually works and what doesn't -- authors and armchair warriors cannot. They can introduce you to ideas or new technologies (which is what I use them for now), and give you numbers (like a reference book), but as an expert in a field, you must use it in a real world environment.
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100g of aminos? thats nearly a quarter pound of straight aminos....
all the aminos you need in a day can be had in 1 bunch of parsley blended into one of your shakes. I take half a bunch and blend it into a cup of v-8 twice a day. Keeps my breath fresh, get all my aminos, antioxidants, extra fiber, is massive anti inflammatory to promote better recovery and also helps your...um....PeterNorthi sms
I seriously hope you are punking me. But in case you are not, a fourth time:
Seriously, check your info before posting. It's like 36g (~12 pre + ~12 during + ~12 post). And it's not BCAA's.
Pre: http://koloseum.com//store/ProductDetail.asp?bDetail=T&IDProduct=2&iNum=1
During: http://koloseum.com/store/ProductDetail.asp?bDetail=T&IDProduct=3&iNum=1
Post: http://koloseum.com/store/ProductDetail.asp?bDetail=T&IDProduct=4&iNum=1
Do you guys even confirm stuff like this for youselves?
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I surely cannot. I am a computer scientist, not a bio-engineer (or whatever). But since I train with arguably the #1 bodybuilder/fitness model trainer in the world, I listen to his advice. And I see no reason for him to mislead me.
And I would guess that just like the computer world, the bio world is crock full of shitty and trendy studies. And, at the same time, has some very good ones. So you could probably go back and forth with studies all day long.
I know in the computer world there are many, many articles written about "amazing" technologies such as Ruby or CSS or even back in the day before everyone else figured it out, Perl (sucks ass for internet, other than very specialized application). But since I have used them all, and consider myself to know a bit about real-world usage, I've found that the studies that say those technologies are amazing and whiz-bang, are dead wrong. Beginners usually believe the studies and blindly argue for them (like a religion)...then after a couple years of usage (if they are smart and loose their zealot status), figure out that they were wrong and change.
On the other hand, AJAX is one of the most amazing technologies I have ever found (for internet dev) -- and the studies (often times by the same authors who drummed up support for shit like Ruby, Perl or CSS) agree with me. So, what does that tell me? Only someone with real world experience can give you a good idea as to what actually works and what doesn't -- authors and armchair warriors cannot. They can introduce you to ideas or new technologies (which is what I use them for now), and give you numbers (like a reference book), but as an expert in a field, you must use it in a real world environment.
real world experience is great, but the reality is that i seriously doubt milos has completed any serious experiments without various pharmaceuticals having a massive (parden pun) effect on the results and, call me a cynic, but the fact that he is also selling said product might affect his point of view.
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no, i take 3 of these monstrous bcaa amino complex pills 4 times a day in addition to my parsley.
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no, i take 3 of these monstrous bcaa amino complex pills 4 times a day in addition to my parsley.
Honestly... Can you actually hold on to a 590 pound stone?
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no, i take 3 of these monstrous bcaa amino complex pills 4 times a day in addition to my parsley.
got any pics keg so we can all see the incredible effects all those pills are having?
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not increased to the point where you need 600 grams of protein for fuccks sake, hahahahaa, a 1200 pounnd Rhino doesn't need that much protein let alone a tiny 285 pound human.
I am around 230 contest and 275 off season, my protein intake is 450 to 500 grams year round. Milos knows his shit ! How many people are going to take nutrition advice form someone who looks like you anyway ? You are a typical internet shit talker.
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I am around 230 contest and 275 off season, my protein intake is 450 to 500 grams year round. Milos knows his shit ! How many people are going to take nutrition advice form someone who looks like you anyway ? You are a typical internet shit talker.
Post a pic ;D
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Hell no.
(http://www.manninen.info/pics/anssi_manninen.jpg)
Dude... I hope you're not handing out advice that's obviously not working for you. You look like like a retired pro golfer. Know your role!!
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I am around 230 contest and 275 off season, my protein intake is 450 to 500 grams year round. Milos knows his shit ! How many people are going to take nutrition advice form someone who looks like you anyway ? You are a typical internet shit talker.
Milos' physique IS a result of what he does training/nutrition/chemical-wise. However, the why of why his diet "works" is probably not due to what he believes. Just for an example, you can't force protein synthesis with more and more dietary protein. Say if he replaced 150 grams of that protein with carbs he probably would not build any less muscle.
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I am around 230 contest and 275 off season, my protein intake is 450 to 500 grams year round. Milos knows his shit ! How many people are going to take nutrition advice form someone who looks like you anyway ? You are a typical internet shit talker.
lol 450. Mike Matarazzo clogged arteries in the making.
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Post a pic ;D
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No way you are 230 there. What are your bones solid concrete?
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Milos' physique IS a result of what he does training/nutrition/chemical-wise. However, the why of why his diet "works" is probably not due to what he believes. Just for an example, you can't force protein synthesis with more and more dietary protein. Say if he replaced 150 grams of that protein with carbs he probably would not build any less muscle.
If it was a precontest diet, 150 grams extra carbs a day could make a huge difference.
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No way are you 230 there? What are your bones solid concrete?
I won the Super Heavy Weight Class at that competition, I was actually about 226. I'm 5 11.
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good build man.
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I won the Super Heavy Weight Class at that competition, I was actually about 226. I'm 5 11.
Good deal, what show was it?
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No way you are 230 there. What are your bones solid concrete?
Here is another one for you
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Good deal, what show was it?
The Arizona June 30th this year.
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guy looks great for a super heavy, most of the time at state and local level NPC shows 95 percent of the time the supers are sloppy as fucck.
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If it was a precontest diet, 150 grams extra carbs a day could make a huge difference.
Maybe, maybe not. Might be a positive change.
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guy looks great for a super heavy, most of the time at state and local level NPC shows 95 percent of the time the supers are sloppy as fucck.
That was my Strategy, to come in ripped as a Super Heavy, at the local level I did good. There were bigger guys in my class but they were smooth. At the National level I would get smoked. Defiantly need to bring a few areas up before I compete at the USA.
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That was my Strategy, to come in ripped as a Super Heavy, at the local level I did good. There were bigger guys in my class but they were smooth. At the National level I would get smoked. Defiantly need to bring a few areas up before I compete at the USA.
bring the arms up and you'll look awesome at that level, quads could use a little more size and sweep but they're still not bad at all.
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Maybe, maybe not. Might be a positive change.
Sure it could ! I was just saying the 150 grams of carbs can make a huge differents in how you look.
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And, this goes back to my original post. That real world experience outweighs lab experiments.
Sure, whatever works. The problem is that he uses "science" to argue for the merit of his supplements. Then in the next turn saying science does not matter. For example, Layne Norton says other aminos (like whey for example) ingested at the same time won't reduce the protein synthetic effect of the essential aminos (Layne is a protein researcher). Milos can't argue science with him so he makes a disparaging comment instead.
It won't hurt to take his drinks, will probably be beneficial. But not to the extent he says or necessarily for the reasons he lists.
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much to the angst of the haters here...i did manage to lift a 590 pound landscaping stone and move it from the curb where the landscapers dropped it off to the garden at my parents house about about 40-50 feet away from where i picked it up.
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For a natural, no fucking way. Even for a light drug user.
But with Milos' pet projects, why not? With all the shit he gives them, I doubt 150 grams of BCAA is too much.
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I surely cannot. I am a computer scientist, not a bio-engineer (or whatever). But since I train with arguably the #1 bodybuilder/fitness model trainer in the world, I listen to his advice. And I see no reason for him to mislead me.
And I would guess that just like the computer world, the bio world is crock full of shitty and trendy studies. And, at the same time, has some very good ones. So you could probably go back and forth with studies all day long.
I know in the computer world there are many, many articles written about "amazing" technologies such as Ruby or CSS or even back in the day before everyone else figured it out, Perl (sucks ass for internet, other than very specialized application). But since I have used them all, and consider myself to know a bit about real-world usage, I've found that the studies that say those technologies are amazing and whiz-bang, are dead wrong. Beginners usually believe the studies and blindly argue for them (like a religion)...then after a couple years of usage (if they are smart and loose their zealot status), figure out that they were wrong and change.
On the other hand, AJAX is one of the most amazing technologies I have ever found (for internet dev) -- and the studies (often times by the same authors who drummed up support for shit like Ruby, Perl or CSS) agree with me. So, what does that tell me? Only someone with real world experience can give you a good idea as to what actually works and what doesn't -- authors and armchair warriors cannot. They can introduce you to ideas or new technologies (which is what I use them for now), and give you numbers (like a reference book), but as an expert in a field, you must use it in a real world environment.
excellent. . .I totally agree. I have so many come and tell what they are doing. . wow! unbelievable what some are doing with only an invisible "guru" online that they are reading.
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much to the angst of the haters here...i did manage to lift a 590 pound landscaping stone and move it from the curb where the landscapers dropped it off to the garden at my parents house about about 40-50 feet away from where i picked it up.
Do you have brown eyes? ::)
If not, you should...because you're full of shit! :-X
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Real world where drug use is the norm, cannot apply to us mere mortals.
Why can't you idots get this? It is simple.
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garraeth, if you are getting good results with milos, drugs or not, that's great, but milos has stated on here that he is very open to using anabolic drugs including insulin, gh and testosterone and has gone further to state that they can have very positive effects on one's health if used appropriately.
i happen to agree with him on this and believe that if the ioc didn't have so much political power, these drugs would be used much more often in the medical community.
my point here is, milos is obviously advocating the use of these drugs and taking one look at him would attest to their effectiveness. for a man of his age he looks unbelievable (actually for any age). he would have no problem whatsoever selling this concept to a business partner or anyone else looking for for the best possible results in minimum time with an added bonus of good health.
now, if said business partner was also to profit from it ie milos' credibility shoots up as joe business partner completely transforms his body and therefore increasing sales of kns why the hell wouldn't he do exactly as milos says?
i'm sorry garraeth but your analogy doesn't work because i have never seen a shred of useful evidence that taking branched chain amino acids over and above a high protein diet has any anabolic/anti catabolic effect whatsoever, whereas ajax actually works and i can prove it works. a healthy human digestive system will do a much better job of assimilating and dispensing branch chained amino acids than any laboratory in the world.
drugs are a different story as they affect the endocrine system and cause more amino acids to be utilized, but even in that scenario there would be no added benefit to taking extra branch chained aminos pre/during/post w.o. carbs, different story. carbs have an immediate effect on blood sugar levels which affect insulin sensitivity so yes, carbs are important, but more so for a person using synthetic forms of insulin where blood sugar level manipulation becomes very important. however, for a natural healthy person without diabetes manipulating blood sugar levels pre/during/post w.o has negligible positive effects.
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hahahahaa, 10 sets of arms supersets and then go to the gym refridgerator for a 10 gallon bucket of BCAA, Glutamine, Creatine, Anadrol, Insulin, GH, Nubain, Oxycontin, Viagra, Whey, Noxplode, etc., followed closely by chubby moonface and cellulite. :D
BAHAHA!!! !!!!!!!!!
Squadfather you and my father would get on like a house on fire, he is one of the most cynical you'll ever meet but the annoying thing is he's right 99.9% of the time
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Do you have brown eyes? ::)
If not, you should...because you're full of shit! :-X
leverage, form, strength...why is this so impossible?
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i did manage to lift a 590 pound landscaping stone and move it from the curb where the landscapers dropped it off to the garden at my parents house about about 40-50 feet away from where i picked it up.
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much to the angst of the haters here...i did manage to lift a 590 pound landscaping stone and move it from the curb where the landscapers dropped it off to the garden at my parents house about about 40-50 feet away from where i picked it up.
hahahahahahaa, oh brother, looks like we've got BY FAR the strongest man in the world on getbig. ::)
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hahahahahahaa, oh brother, looks like we've got BY FAR the strongest man in the world on getbig. ::)
oh, brother.....that quote is priceless....why do poeple do that stuff? jsut be honest already.
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oh, brother.....that quote is priceless....why do poeple do that stuff? jsut be honest already.
what are you talking about?
i juggle 3 of those fuckers jack lalanne style every morning before breakfast. >:(
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squad is low weight/high rep....
twinkies only weigh like a couple ounces.
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leverage, form, strength...why is this so impossible?
Only because we've seen your pic, think the feat itself is pretty hard (let alone impossible for an ordinary schmoe as yourself to ever do), and finally- because nobody in the history of the world has ever done that...and "little you" has done it yet has no pictures, Guiness Book of Records articles, or proof whatsoever except a few keys you're pressing to validate yourself.
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Sure think cupcake. :-*