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Are you a better, more complete bodybuilder than Dennis Wolf?
I feel like I'm carrying the torch for the younger guys. He doesn't come in as hard as I do. People thought he WON the Olympia- I didn't think so.
At 100% condition - who wins, you vs. Wolf?
I feel I win on conditioning - I haven't seen anyone harder than myself. Also separation, I could beat him on, I am more separated in the legs. Overall fullness- Every one of my bodyparts is striated and has a good flow to it.
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I don't see where are the shots
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complimenting others instead of self promotion would be the humble way to go about competetion.......Wolf would pwn this tiny tit
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I don't see where are the shots
Phil wins in the long-run if he continues this slow and perfect progress.
Dennis is also growing too, and come olympia time, should be able to bitch-slap Phil around a little bit...
but eventually given his structure...Phil will be on top.
for now, Wolf is the man!
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This guy owns heath.
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:kV2EHtgoagGmaM:http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper309/stills/n927ujz4.jpg)
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complimenting others instead of self promotion would be the humble way to go about competetion.......Wolf would pwn this tiny tit
I agree, he should have given Wolf credit. I do hope Wolf crushes him now.
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WOLF OWNS!
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I don't think Heath can gain much more mass without screwing his symmetry. Wolf on the other hand has a frame that can carry at least 30 more pounds. He has already proven that he can hold his own with mass monsters. Heath would look like a child next to Jay.
Heath is the next Dexter Jackson.
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I like both
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Phil was not standing next to someone as giant as Wolf at teh Ironman
Wolf will make Phil look small compared to how he looked at the Ironman--------and you know who they award at the O----the giant freaks
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if phil takes down dex, then wolf will not be a problem. phil gets more ripped, better seperation, better asthetics... he will own wolf. wolf has also been jacked hardcore for a long time... phils got a lot left in the tank... the phil dynasty will last a long time.
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I agree, he should have given Wolf credit. I do hope Wolf crushes him now.
I heard the interview and he did give Wold ample respect and credit. But c'mon, when pressed what top pro that just won a show is going to say they feel another top guy will beat them at the O?
If they feel like THAT, they need not COMPETE!
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I think Heath looks incredible! Unbelievable at the Ironman.
Wolf has room to continue to add more mass to his frame...thats scary. With spot on conditioning and another 10 lbs, he is fighting for this year's Mr. O IMO. Heath looks incredible with the extra 10lbs or so this year, he's nearly perfect right now. He could add a few more lbs (though, he doesn't need it). If he tries to add another 15-20lbs, I'll bet he starts to look worse...distended abdomen, larger midsection overall and separation starts to go. Each frame can only hold so much muscle. Heath isn't real wide in the clavicals and shoulders, thats his only genetic limitation. Even with that, I believe he is top 3-4 at the Mr. O this year.
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At least there's an interesting rivalry brewing. It's been a few years since there was any depth 1-5 but now it's getting interesting.
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I like both
Then you should take Phil to the movies on Friday, and Dennis to the club on Saturday.
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WOLF OWNS!
THeirs no way if any of you watched the ironman it is clear to me and should be to everyone else that this is the year of Phil Heath I think by the Arnold maybe Olympia but thats pushing it he needs to stop the igf and growth use if he wants to stay different from everyone and have a normal waistline. But this year Phil owns wolf dex and anyone else who opposes,
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wolf is much wider and can improve weaknesses easier than phil, phil is the flex wheeler of the 2000's...
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I think Heath looks incredible! Unbelievable at the Ironman.
Wolf has room to continue to add more mass to his frame...thats scary. With spot on conditioning and another 10 lbs, he is fighting for this year's Mr. O IMO. Heath looks incredible with the extra 10lbs or so this year, he's nearly perfect right now. He could add a few more lbs (though, he doesn't need it). If he tries to add another 15-20lbs, I'll bet he starts to look worse...distended abdomen, larger midsection overall and separation starts to go. Each frame can only hold so much muscle. Heath isn't real wide in the clavicals and shoulders, thats his only genetic limitation. Even with that, I believe he is top 3-4 at the Mr. O this year.
Good critique! I think the only thing in his way to the Olympia title is Jay , Wolf and Dexter.
Victor could be ahead of him, but the injury is a big question for Vic M in '08.
If Heath takes the ASC, he has only Jay to really worry about. Jay has the tools to deal with Heath.
Jay has the width and greater thickness/bigger frame. Having said that Heath is a real threat to win in all and soon.
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THeirs no way if any of you watched the ironman it is clear to me and should be to everyone else that this is the year of Phil Heath I think by the Arnold maybe Olympia but thats pushing it he needs to stop the igf and growth use if he wants to stay different from everyone and have a normal waistline. But this year Phil owns wolf dex and anyone else who opposes,
don't forget we're going to see Wolf compete for the first time with a 1 year break!
in one year he went from DNF- olympia 2006 / to 5th place at Olympia 07.
the time off should be interesting!
Phil on the other hand might not have that luxury of fixing any more problems before the olympia...
although has almost no problems! lol
Wolf will not disappoint is what im saying...it will surely be a fight to the finish!
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At least there's an interesting rivalry brewing. It's been a few years since there was any depth 1-5 but now it's getting interesting.
Agreed. Phil was right on in everything he said. But we just have to see them standing side by side now. Should be interesting to see what impact blonde hair and more height will have on perceptions here. Per square inch, many of Heath's muscles will likely look bigger/thicker than Wolf's and he'll be more separated and striated...but it will be interesting how his package compares to that of the overall bigger/blonder Wolf. Flash back to Gunter's beating Ronnie but Gunter's charisma (and smile) had alot to do with that. Dennis isn't exactly what I'd call "charismatic" at this point.
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THeirs no way if any of you watched the ironman it is clear to me and should be to everyone else that this is the year of Phil Heath I think by the Arnold maybe Olympia but thats pushing it he needs to stop the igf and growth use if he wants to stay different from everyone and have a normal waistline. But this year Phil owns wolf dex and anyone else who opposes,
Sry dude, lay down the crackpipe. Phil never stood next to a "big boy" yet in his entire career. ESPECIALLY FROM THE BACK, WOLF's WIDTH WILL CRUSH PHIL's NARROW FRAME THAT BADLY, IT'LL BE ALMOST LAUGHABLE.
After 1 year break, Wolf will return to the Olympia unreal I guess. :D
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Heath is a damn good bodybuilder. Hence the blatant lack of pictures of him posted on this board since his win. I've actually had to look HARD to see pictures of Heath posted here since the Ironman because he was so good and I think many people here are reluctant to admit that there's not alot to bitch about with this guy. It's hard to put one of his best pictures in a thread and have much bad to say about him. Heath has big muscles and detail working for him here. His arms, quads and shoulders are absolutely massive in many of his most flattering poses.
And if you think he looks awesome here wait til the Arnold where I predict he'll be even sharper...I'm telling you guys, this guy has been on a very special run for awhile now.
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I agree with your sentiment here McFarland.
funny how endless bashing of KING who was 10th in this show seem to draw a lot more interest.
Geeeeeeeeeeeeesh, give me a break.
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Unless Wolf gets calves, Heath now beats him.
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I agree with your sentiment here McFarland.
funny how endless bashing of KING who was 10th in this show seem to draw a lot more interest.
Geeeeeeeeeeeeesh, give me a break.
king was the loudest one in the press conference talking about how great he was.
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McFarland hits the nail on the head...AGAIN.
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Are you a better, more complete bodybuilder than Dennis Wolf?
I feel like I'm carrying the torch for the younger guys. He doesn't come in as hard as I do. People thought he WON the Olympia- I didn't think so.
At 100% condition - who wins, you vs. Wolf?
I feel I win on conditioning - I haven't seen anyone harder than myself. Also separation, I could beat him on, I am more separated in the legs. Overall fullness- Every one of my bodyparts is striated and has a good flow to it.
He's right on the money !
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Sick pic from FLEXblog...
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C'mon fellas, this is no fcking match. Dennis belongs to the Mass Monster category. Heath is too small
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C'mon fellas, this is no fcking match. Dennis belongs to the Mass Monster category. Heath is too small
Too small to beat Dennis Wolf?
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gh15 was right.
phil's arms and legs are world class, but the chest is not.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=201820.0;attach=234767;image)
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ahhh sorry but that pic of wolfe in this thread shows a much harder, drier person then health, and hes 260 with a sick waiste as well...Wolf owns
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Sry dude, lay down the crackpipe. Phil never stood next to a "big boy" yet in his entire career. ESPECIALLY FROM THE BACK, WOLF's WIDTH WILL CRUSH PHIL's NARROW FRAME THAT BADLY, IT'LL BE ALMOST LAUGHABLE.
After 1 year break, Wolf will return to the Olympia unreal I guess. :D
I concider The Spanior Badell as big. He is one of the biggest around at the Olympia. Phil Heat had no problem standing next to him and crush him!
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looks small here, great arms though....
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gh15 was right.
phil's arms and legs are world class, but the chest is not.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=201820.0;attach=234767;image)
Please take a look at his side chest and tell me his chest isen't world class!
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Heath is a little full of himself. I'll give him the separations, but hardness? Please. Wolf is harder and bigger.
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Phil has great symmetry and muscularity. Wolf don't have so great symmetry but he has a HUGE muscled body!
So i cannot say wo wins but i like to see the batlle!:)
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His arms, quads and shoulders are absolutely massive in many of his most flattering poses.
Questionable.
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Heath is a little full of himself. I'll give him the separations, but hardness? Please. Wolf is harder and bigger.
I agree.
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Too small to beat Dennis Wolf?
if dennis wolf come in the same condition or better than last year's Olympia, Heath doesn't stand a fcuking chance
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Both Athletes where the most upcoming Pro Bodybuilders in the last 2 years.
Both showed that they can improve there physiques from "Contest-Season" to "Contest-Season".
One open question is...how much can Dennis Wolf improve with the whole year out of competition. I´m sure he can...but how much ? The structure of both is not equal (X-Frame Wolf against smaller-high quality-Guy Heath). Both also had minor weaknesses (Wolf-Calves, lower-back, Heath-Chest).
I believe that Dennis Wolf´s first goal this year is to reach the Mr. Olympia final again...Ronnie Coleman is out, but now Phil Heath is in. Also, we don`t know how Victor Martinez will recover from his injury, which is one of the hardest you can get (total rupture of a big tendom). I´m not sure if he even can compete at the Olympia ?
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Heath is trying to say that Wolf has structural flaws.
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heath can not best wolf onm structure.. even the most knowledgable guys in the industry say he (heath) does not have a good structure.. he is quite narrow inthe shouilders.. now, he has orld class arms and delts.. which people are drawn too.. but, chest is average at best for a pro, the back, although vastly improved. is still not among the best.. legas are very good.. but, he is narrow as hell.. i dont think his structure can let him add much more size.. too narrow.. wolf on the other hand is wide as hell and can add considerably more mass while maintaining his waist.. phil still needs size in the chest and back.. i dont know if he can do it based on his structure..
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Comparing Wolf to Heath defies the principles of common sense.
Heath wins hands down.... every time!
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Cropped and darkened first two images. Not as good as the other images taken a bit from the side.
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Comparing Wolf to Heath defies the principles of common sense.
Heath wins hands down.... every time!
Front DB - Phil (no contest)
Front Lat spread - Wolf (no contest)
Side chest - tough (both strong)
Side triceps - tough (both strong)
AbsThighs - Wolf (no contest)
Back DB - Wolf (no contest)
Back Lat Spread - Wolf (no contest)
Most Muscular - Wolf (no contest)
Hope this helps :)
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if dennis wolf come in the same condition or better than last year's Olympia, Heath doesn't stand a fcuking chance
Phil Heath in 2008 Ironman shape should place higher than Dennis Wolf in 2007 Olympia shape, IMO.
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Phil Heath in 2008 Ironman shape should place higher than Dennis Wolf in 2007 Olympia shape, IMO.
how do you figure?
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i sad it once ill say it here again,,
his physiqe is not impressive ,,there is really no wow factor,,but! and this is the only thing you need to look at ,,lee haneys didnt have wow factor either,,lee labrada didnt either,,this kid is pretty copmplete and still under 30,,he won almost all his professional shows and unlike vic rivhards IS NOT AFRAID TO STEP ON STAGE,,
this kid is and will be very soon ,,IF SITS ON THE FLY DECK AND US EHEAVY DUMBELLS FOR FLYS IN ADDITION TO HEAVY SIDE LATERALS LIKE I MENTION HERE ,,a more complete dex ,, a taller combination of ray labrada,,with the arms lee hainey so needed,,he will be a more animalistic/thicker/taller version of melvin and thats should be enough for the title now days
he has what it takes to win this coming o as long as he put some more wideness/ilussion of widness/fulness to the upper torse,,
its wolf or him next few years depending on who can look more complete
when it comes to heath all he needs to think about is how to widen this pec/shoulder area,,in his case only fulness /little more size will do and thats why the fly bench is calling his name and the 100lb dumbells are waiting,,no injury will happen,,most bodybuilders at this level know how to control their movement and prevent injuries even if it takes lsome cheating,,his delts and arms are strong enough to control this heavy weight
he can win the o at 235-250lb in my opinion
dumbell flys should be written in his bedroom over his head
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very good advice by GH, heavy DB flyes are the most underrated chest movement there is.
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Sick pic from FLEXblog...
UNBELIEVABLE
PERFECT IMO
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how do you figure?
It's the package. Phil Heath embodies the best of what modern-day bodybuilding has to offer. He has the perfect combination of size and detail to give anyone a run for their money fully dialed in and he's getting ready to do it for the Arnold; you guys are gonna see...Heath actually has the short-term potential to look much better than he did at the Ironman. People were impressed when Wheeler won the Ironman in '93 but the Arnold 2 weeks later cemented his legacy in the sport.
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It's getting similar to the start of the Dorian Yates - Flex Wheeler rivalry all over again. In one corner, we have Heath, who has great momentum, shape, size and conditioning - the great American hope. In the other, we have Wolf, who is an enigma, but has shown everyone that he is capable of winning the whole thing if he improves 10% (which the 1 year hiatus from competition can very well let him do). It's good to see 2 top guys in shape who are still young and who obviously have worked to get their physiques to such as a stage (as opposed to others who are just bloated due to their drug intake and not training).
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People forget that Dennis got 5th at the Olympia. How is he going to leapfrog into contention this year? I recall that Kamali 'beat' him not so long ago.
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People forget that Dennis got 5th at the Olympia. How is he going to leapfrog into contention this year? I recall that Kamali 'beat' him not so long ago.
Ronnie went from 9th in 1997 to 1st in 1998. If the competition's poor and the guy's dialed in for the night while having improved markedly from his previous year's showing, it's very possible Mr Basile.
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All I am saying is that it is one thing to agree on who was best last year and another to see where these people placed. Dennis hasn't had a fair go in the IFBB yet, except for the contest he did win last year.
We have been disappointed year after year with the Olympia results so perhaps we should expect more of the same this year. It has little to do with who looks the best. Phil looks like the more complete package at this stage compared to Dennis. However, we haven't seen anything of Dennis lately so can't really be objective here. Whether either will be rewarded at the Olympia is doubtful.
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Those Heath pics are fucking insane, but he's still gonna get stomped by Wolf.
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heath would be unbelievable if he had the chest of say johnny jackson
his strengths/weaknesses remind me of lee priest
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People forget that Dennis got 5th at the Olympia. How is he going to leapfrog into contention this year? I recall that Kamali 'beat' him not so long ago.
How can you complain about bullshit judging in one thread and then bring this up, along with the hilarious scenario that occurred a year or two ago when Kamali got a giant gift in the form of being placed ahead of wolf? Do you really believe Kamali beat Wolf?
The guys ahead of Wolf haven't really improved (one - ronnie is "retired", another injured - vic) so I'm not sure how you could ever wonder how he will come into contention when he is the only bodybuilder of the 5 "on the up" so to speak. According to your own (strange) logic he is now in top 3 contention and should come in better condition this year.
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ALL HYPE!! being groomed by the WEIDER boys to get more supplement sales and get WEIDER NUTRITION more recognized over muslcetech stuff. Victor will be back...........two big black guys on stage duking it out on stage should be fun to see.
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I think Heath looks incredible! Unbelievable at the Ironman.
Wolf has room to continue to add more mass to his frame...thats scary. With spot on conditioning and another 10 lbs, he is fighting for this year's Mr. O IMO. Heath looks incredible with the extra 10lbs or so this year, he's nearly perfect right now. He could add a few more lbs (though, he doesn't need it). If he tries to add another 15-20lbs, I'll bet he starts to look worse...distended abdomen, larger midsection overall and separation starts to go. Each frame can only hold so much muscle. Heath isn't real wide in the clavicals and shoulders, thats his only genetic limitation. Even with that, I believe he is top 3-4 at the Mr. O this year.
And he has pec limitations...much like Flex did...
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Heath also lived and trained with Cutler so for him to give credit to Wolf could be a slap in the face to Jay.
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Wolf owns Heath...The ONLY thing Heath has on Wolf...is Calves.
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Are you a better, more complete bodybuilder than Dennis Wolf?
I feel like I'm carrying the torch for the younger guys. He doesn't come in as hard as I do. People thought he WON the Olympia- I didn't think so.
At 100% condition - who wins, you vs. Wolf?
I feel I win on conditioning - I haven't seen anyone harder than myself. Also separation, I could beat him on, I am more separated in the legs. Overall fullness- Every one of my bodyparts is striated and has a good flow to it.
Arrogant asshole
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Front DB - Phil (no contest)
Front Lat spread - Wolf (no contest)
Side chest - tough (both strong)
Side triceps - tough (both strong)
AbsThighs - Wolf (no contest)
Back DB - Wolf (no contest)
Back Lat Spread - Wolf (no contest)
Most Muscular - Wolf (no contest)
Hope this helps :)
That's a matter of opinion... and yours doesn't matter.
Hope this helps.
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That's a matter of opinion... and yours doesn't matter.
Hope this helps.
I agree heere!
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His back can only spread so far given his width. Backs win the O. Yeah...he can win the Arnold like Dexter, Ray and others. He isnt as full as Ray, not even close, and doesnt look as nice as Flex or Kevin. He is somewhere inbetween the two. He should grab 3-4 Arnolds over his career and a couple of 2nd place finishes at the O. He is excellent, but the O title shouldnt go to overblown swimmers. Flex didnt get it, he shouldnt either. He took out alot of 2nd-tier bbers at the Ironman at 216 as he did at the Colorado Pro at 205 or whatever. Cormier and Flex made a career out of $10,000 shows vs 2nd tier guys.
If Dex is dry...he shouldnt win...just on his chest and lack of balance with those Ronnie Coleman arms on Richard Jones.
If he wins the O...I'm sorry but it's about his rep vs Vic given he was a D-1 second string ball player, and the IFBB could sell him nice which is good for his bank account.
Jay refends this year. Vic should win the next 2-3. F##k the criminal stuff. NBA, NHL and NFL are full on probation MVPs. If Wolf doenst mass up or there is a mass monster out there on his way up he should be a 2-4 time O. Maybe Phil grabs one at the end of someone's reign.
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I think in the long run IF Wolf continues to fill out, that
his structure will win out over Phil's genetic gifts.
Genetically Phil has the ability to get seperated/striated like
few can. I don't think Wolf can ever achieve the seperations/striations
that Heath can. I do disagree with GH that Phil has no WOW factor.
His arms, legs and striations/conditioning in my opinion do have a wow factor to them.
Just like Ronnie in 2003, who was so big and muscular that he dominated everyone!; although
he had lost some things in the process that made him a great bodybuilder.
I think Wolf has that kind of structure that when finally filled out will just dominate
when others stand next to him. That is a big if he fills it out completely.
By the way..I don't think Wolf's high lats hurt him too much in the rear lat spread.
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It is really hard to find any major flaws on this latest incarnation of Heath. For a pro bodybuilder he might be, structurally, a little narrow but not overwhelmingly so - kind of like Levrone. But then in a myriad of other ways he is simply superb. Wolf is incredible but does have a few glaring weaknesses - ie calves and slightly long torso (the latter somewhat masked by his immense width). Other than his amazing width and size, and perhaps the quad sweep, no bodyparts have Heath's wow factor either eg the arms are huge but lack the balance and cable like muscle quality of Heath's; but the importance of width in bodybuilding competition cannot be overstated either. If Heath can stack up to Wolf in direct comparisons (read, not be totally blown away by Wolf's width) he can take him. Given the way in which Wolf dwarfed Cutler, that's not a given.
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I think in the long run IF Wolf continues to fill out, that
his structure will win out over Phil's genetic gifts.
Genetically Phil has the ability to get seperated/striated like
few can. I don't think Wolf can ever achieve the seperations/striations
that Heath can. I do disagree with GH that Phil has no WOW factor.
His arms, legs and striations/conditioning in my opinion do have a wow factor to them.
Just like Ronnie in 2003, who was so big and muscular that he dominated everyone!; although
he had lost some things in the process that made him a great bodybuilder.
I think Wolf has that kind of structure that when finally filled out will just dominate
when others stand next to him. That is a big if he fills it out completely.
By the way..I don't think Wolf's high lats hurt him too much in the rear lat spread.
NEVER EVER COMPARE THE KID WITH RON COLMAN,,ITS LIKE YOU WILL TAKE THE KID AND COMPARE HIM WITH ARNOLD,,ITS UNHEARD OFF,,PHIL HEATTH DOESNT HAVE THE GENETIC FRAM CAPACITY OR STRENGTH TO EVER BE AT THE LEVEL OF RON COLMAN OR ARNOLD ,,,NOR DOES HE HAVE ANY WOW FACTOR LIKE COLMAN BICEP PEAKS AND COLMAN INCREDIBLE PECS AND WIDNESS,,ARNOLD ALSO HAD THE WOW FACTOR BOTH ARMS AND CHEST ,,ONE OF THEM ITS NOT ENOUGH FOR WOW FACTOR,,
YOU HAVE TO HAVE 2 BODY PARTS FOR WOW FACTOR AND THOSE 2 BODYPARTS BETTER BE HIGH PEACKED WHEN IT COMS TO ARMS AND FULL WIDE AND THICK WHEN IT COMES TO CHEST,,PHIL HEATH HAS NEITHER NO WOW ARMS ONLY SLABS OF DETAILED MUSCLE BUT STILL VERY MUCH SLABS OF MUSCLE AND HIS CHEST IS BAD,,
NEVER THE LESS HEATH WITHIMPROVED CHEST WILL = MR 0 NOW DAYS
REMEMBER FRIENDS THERE ARE NO WALKING BODYBUILDERS ON EARTH THAT CAN MATCH ARNOLD AND RON ,,THOSE 2 WERE GENETICALLY FRAMED WELL,,AGAIN NOT GENETICS! BUT GENETICALLY FRAMED WELL! IN ADDITION TO PHNOMINAL RESPOND TO HORMONES WITH VERY HIGH TOLARENCE TO ORALS AND SOLUTIONS
THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER RON OR ANY BETTER THAN RON SAME AS THERE WAS NEVER BEEN ANOTHER ARNOLD AND NEVER WILL BE
HEATH IS SOMEWHERE AT THE LEVEL OF MELVIN ANTONY ,,CAN MAKE A DECENT O CHAMP ,,BETTER THAN JASON BUT NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT ,,,HEATH ALSO DOESNT SCREAM STRENGTH ,,WHEN YOU SAW ARNOLD AND RON ENTER A PLACE IT SCREAMS STRNGTH ,,YOU CAN TELL BOTH ARNOLD AND RON IN THEIR RELATIVE TIME WERE AS STRONG AS POWERLIFTERS IF NOT MORE,,INFACT THEY WERE POWERLIFTERS IN MANY WAYS,,DORIAN TOO
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His back can only spread so far given his width. Backs win the O. Yeah...he can win the Arnold like Dexter, Ray and others. He isnt as full as Ray, not even close, and doesnt look as nice as Flex or Kevin. He is somewhere inbetween the two. He should grab 3-4 Arnolds over his career and a couple of 2nd place finishes at the O. He is excellent, but the O title shouldnt go to overblown swimmers. Flex didnt get it, he shouldnt either. He took out alot of 2nd-tier bbers at the Ironman at 216 as he did at the Colorado Pro at 205 or whatever. Cormier and Flex made a career out of $10,000 shows vs 2nd tier guys.
If Dex is dry...he shouldnt win...just on his chest and lack of balance with those Ronnie Coleman arms on Richard Jones.
If he wins the O...I'm sorry but it's about his rep vs Vic given he was a D-1 second string ball player, and the IFBB could sell him nice which is good for his bank account.
Jay refends this year. Vic should win the next 2-3. F##k the criminal stuff. NBA, NHL and NFL are full on probation MVPs. If Wolf doenst mass up or there is a mass monster out there on his way up he should be a 2-4 time O. Maybe Phil grabs one at the end of someone's reign.
no one is going to believe you or want to....
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it's message board. :-\ does it matter? i cant remember the nonsense i write on this board within 1 hour.
hope the above helps.
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you can not improve your frame.. dennis has that in spades.. phil is good.. but, not much else can come of it.. frame is too narrow..back can only get as wide as his frame will allow.. :-\
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Front DB - Phil (no contest)
Front Lat spread - Wolf (no contest)
Side chest - tough (both strong)
Side triceps - tough (both strong)
AbsThighs - Wolf (no contest)
Back DB - Wolf (no contest)
Back Lat Spread - Wolf (no contest)
Most Muscular - Wolf (no contest)
Hope this helps :)
Phil wins side triceps shot.. Wolf does not have details in triceps
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Wolf owns Heath...The ONLY thing Heath has on Wolf...is Calves.
Calves and id say arms also ;)
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REMEMBER FRIENDS THERE ARE NO WALKING BODYBUILDERS ON EARTH THAT CAN MATCH ARNOLD AND RON ,,THOSE 2 WERE GENETICALLY FRAMED WELL,,AGAIN NOT GENETICS! BUT GENETICALLY FRAMED WELL! IN ADDITION TO PHNOMINAL RESPOND TO HORMONES WITH VERY HIGH TOLARENCE TO ORALS AND SOLUTIONS
Very high tolerance to orals? Arnold took 2 dianabol a week. I think that hardly qualifies as a "high tolerance for orals". Some bodybuilders nowadays take 20 dianabol a day, or a dose 70 times greater than Arnold did, so according to you they should be all Mr.Olympia, since they have clearly an extremely high tolerance for oral androgens.
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I have said it before and I'll say it again: a version of Phil Heath with another 50 lbs of muscle and the same symmetry and flat stomach is Mr.Olympia. The problem is that we have no idea if he can pack that amount of mass without becoming an asymmetrical, obese version of himself. That is the big question.
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HEATH beats wolf in legs overall esp from rear ,wolf is a little shallow in the hams and hardness there.structurally wolf is the best there is with jay,but his arm mass dosen't match with heaths due to length and being taller.on top of both games that given day there probably only seperated by 1 place over or under each other that could be depending on the show 1-2 or olympia 3-4.it could be like the nineties and early 2000's with some good rivarly.cutler is still the benchmark for size and thats what matters in the olympia.there has not been a pretty type physique mr olympia since samir,zane?those days are over.wheeler was supposed to be heir aparent but even he had limitations,coleman did not,esp for hard and conditioned mass.
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NEVER EVER COMPARE THE KID WITH RON COLMAN,,ITS LIKE YOU WILL TAKE THE KID AND COMPARE HIM WITH ARNOLD,,ITS UNHEARD OFF,,PHIL HEATTH DOESNT HAVE THE GENETIC FRAM CAPACITY OR STRENGTH TO EVER BE AT THE LEVEL OF RON COLMAN OR ARNOLD ,,,NOR DOES HE HAVE ANY WOW FACTOR LIKE COLMAN BICEP PEAKS AND COLMAN INCREDIBLE PECS AND WIDNESS,,ARNOLD ALSO HAD THE WOW FACTOR BOTH ARMS AND CHEST ,,ONE OF THEM ITS NOT ENOUGH FOR WOW FACTOR,,
YOU HAVE TO HAVE 2 BODY PARTS FOR WOW FACTOR AND THOSE 2 BODYPARTS BETTER BE HIGH PEACKED WHEN IT COMS TO ARMS AND FULL WIDE AND THICK WHEN IT COMES TO CHEST,,PHIL HEATH HAS NEITHER NO WOW ARMS ONLY SLABS OF DETAILED MUSCLE BUT STILL VERY MUCH SLABS OF MUSCLE AND HIS CHEST IS BAD,,
NEVER THE LESS HEATH WITHIMPROVED CHEST WILL = MR 0 NOW DAYS
REMEMBER FRIENDS THERE ARE NO WALKING BODYBUILDERS ON EARTH THAT CAN MATCH ARNOLD AND RON ,,THOSE 2 WERE GENETICALLY FRAMED WELL,,AGAIN NOT GENETICS! BUT GENETICALLY FRAMED WELL! IN ADDITION TO PHNOMINAL RESPOND TO HORMONES WITH VERY HIGH TOLARENCE TO ORALS AND SOLUTIONS
THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER RON OR ANY BETTER THAN RON SAME AS THERE WAS NEVER BEEN ANOTHER ARNOLD AND NEVER WILL BE
HEATH IS SOMEWHERE AT THE LEVEL OF MELVIN ANTONY ,,CAN MAKE A DECENT O CHAMP ,,BETTER THAN JASON BUT NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT ,,,HEATH ALSO DOESNT SCREAM STRENGTH ,,WHEN YOU SAW ARNOLD AND RON ENTER A PLACE IT SCREAMS STRNGTH ,,YOU CAN TELL BOTH ARNOLD AND RON IN THEIR RELATIVE TIME WERE AS STRONG AS POWERLIFTERS IF NOT MORE,,INFACT THEY WERE POWERLIFTERS IN MANY WAYS,,DORIAN TOO
I agree with everything you are saying here except I do think Heath's arms do have a wow factor.
You misinterpeted the point I was trying to make.
I was not comparing Heath to Ronnie at all.
(Although after reading my post I can see why you thought I was.)
In my reference to a 2003 Ronnie I was reffering to Wolf
being able to have that dominating structure against his competitors.
I'm not comparing Wolf to Ronnie either. I am comparing Wolf's potential
to have that dominating presence against his competition.
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Front DB - Phil (no contest)
Questionable.
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Damn, those are all top tier BBers and Wolf is owning everyone in that shot!
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bottom line is Heath will look small and narrow when standing next to Wolf.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=201820.0;attach=235018;image)
Jay maybe right... Wolf looks weird in the front double bis..
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As good as both of them are, neither one beats this guy:
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/21994-4/1994-mr-olympia-83.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=1dc258f83fef0c1e47bebb5a3a88fd20)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=201820.0;attach=235018;image)
Jay maybe right... Wolf looks weird in the front double bis..
Wish I looked that weird in the front double-bi :o
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Very high tolerance to orals? Arnold took 2 dianabol a week. I think that hardly qualifies as a "high tolerance for orals". Some bodybuilders nowadays take 20 dianabol a day, or a dose 70 times greater than Arnold did, so according to you they should be all Mr.Olympia, since they have clearly an extremely high tolerance for oral androgens.
you wanted to say arnold took 12 dianabol tablets a day i hope,,it sound like you forgeot the 1 before the 2,,in any case no he didnt use 12 dianabol tablts a day ,,he used 5-6 dianabol tablets very 3-4 hours 5 times a day ,,you do the math,,
no one have used 2 dianabol tablets,,you dont get anything from 2 5 mg diabnabol tablets beside some hunger and good feel and maybe maintaining of muscle while cutting,,arnold used to take lots of dianmabol while bulking in the 50-100mg a day zone,,which was very good for legit old russian dianabol,,
its true that today we take more but in the 70s you could buy 3 bottles full of dianabol no problems what so ever and just take hand full put it in your walmart viatmins and say its viatmins ,,no one know no one care,,infact today we do same thing ,,we walk in your walmart or whatever store you have in usa and take dianabol infront of every one eyes and no one knows or cares ,,its usually in a viatamin bottle
dianabol is the MOST IMPORTANT DRUG IN A BODYBUILDER ARSENAL
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GH15, are the generic dinabols produced by south asian countries(india) any good? I hear they produce generics of anavar, test, dinabol, all human grade and as good as european and american counterparts, and without any real restrictions.
Speak on this.
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Everything Phil said was true, but Wolf's shoulder to waist ratio is freaky and it will make Phil lose his presence and if we are talking Oympia then giving it to someone that is 230 over someone who is 280 is highly unlikly in 2008+
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Everything Phil said was true, but Wolf's shoulder to waist ratio is freaky and it will make Phil lose his presence and if we are talking Oympia then giving it to someone that is 230 over someone who is 280 is highly unlikly in 2008+
Jebus loves Wolf! It's all about Jebus!
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His back can only spread so far given his width. Backs win the O. Yeah...he can win the Arnold like Dexter, Ray and others. He isnt as full as Ray, not even close, and doesnt look as nice as Flex or Kevin. He is somewhere inbetween the two. He should grab 3-4 Arnolds over his career and a couple of 2nd place finishes at the O. He is excellent, but the O title shouldnt go to overblown swimmers. Flex didnt get it, he shouldnt either. He took out alot of 2nd-tier bbers at the Ironman at 216 as he did at the Colorado Pro at 205 or whatever. Cormier and Flex made a career out of $10,000 shows vs 2nd tier guys.
If Dex is dry...he shouldnt win...just on his chest and lack of balance with those Ronnie Coleman arms on Richard Jones.
If he wins the O...I'm sorry but it's about his rep vs Vic given he was a D-1 second string ball player, and the IFBB could sell him nice which is good for his bank account.
Jay refends this year. Vic should win the next 2-3. F##k the criminal stuff. NBA, NHL and NFL are full on probation MVPs. If Wolf doenst mass up or there is a mass monster out there on his way up he should be a 2-4 time O. Maybe Phil grabs one at the end of someone's reign.
agree 100%, heath cant be the person that wins the O if flex never did.. i like phil but i dont think he can be a MR O winner. it will always go to the bigger guy, and wolf is a lot bigger (taller and wider).
phil will make a great carreer out of bbing like dex is right now,, he will win a ASC or 3 but never the O title... just my opinion
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Jebus loves Wolf! It's all about Jebus!
Have you gotton your deadlifts pass 300 yet trap?
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agree 100%, heath cant be the person that wins the O if flex never did.. i like phil but i dont think he can be a MR O winner. it will always go to the bigger guy, and wolf is a lot bigger (taller and wider).
phil will make a great carreer out of bbing like dex is right now,, he will win a ASC or 3 but never the O title... just my opinion
Actually...I was thinking a career similar to Shawn. Right there to knock someone off but coming up short or narrow in Phil's case.
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I don't think Heath can gain much more mass without screwing his symmetry. Wolf on the other hand has a frame that can carry at least 30 more pounds. He has already proven that he can hold his own with mass monsters. Heath would look like a child next to Jay.
Heath is the next Dexter Jackson.
Very interesting thought. Seems accurate.
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I think Phil's got better Quads and better, more defined arms.
But Wolf(despite having high lats) is much wider and can carry much more mass than Phil. Plus Dennis' stomach is just as good as Phil's, so you can't make the waist arguement against Dennis.
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I think Phil's got better Quads and better, more defined arms.
But Wolf(despite having high lats) is much wider and can carry much more mass than Phil. Plus Dennis' stomach is just as good as Phil's, so you can't make the waist arguement against Dennis.
Wolf has superior quad sweep...
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Wish I looked that weird in the front double-bi :o
well, am not saying that he's not carrying enough muscles but the flow of his physique is a "little odd"
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bottom line is Heath will look small and narrow when standing next to Wolf.
I don't agree! Melvin doesn't look small standing next to Wolf. Heath got pretty much the same size as Melvin accept better arms, legs and chest!
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I have said it before and I'll say it again: a version of Phil Heath with another 50 lbs of muscle and the same symmetry and flat stomach is Mr.Olympia. The problem is that we have no idea if he can pack that amount of mass without becoming an asymmetrical, obese version of himself. That is the big question.
Phil does NOT need another 50lbs of muscle.
Wake up.
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Phil does NOT need another 50lbs of muscle.
Wake up.
TRUE and impossible on his frame he will not be able to compete at 270/290 not his trump card,conditioning and full bellies all he needs.
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Wolf has the best frame in bodybuilding today. He's 6 ft tall with Jay Cutler's shoulder width and Phil Heath's waist. His calves are a weak point along with his lower back, but he can bring those up somewhat. Structurally, he kills Heath and everyone else right now.
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I think Heath looks incredible! Unbelievable at the Ironman.
Wolf has room to continue to add more mass to his frame...thats scary. With spot on conditioning and another 10 lbs, he is fighting for this year's Mr. O IMO. Heath looks incredible with the extra 10lbs or so this year, he's nearly perfect right now. He could add a few more lbs (though, he doesn't need it). If he tries to add another 15-20lbs, I'll bet he starts to look worse...distended abdomen, larger midsection overall and separation starts to go. Each frame can only hold so much muscle. Heath isn't real wide in the clavicals and shoulders, thats his only genetic limitation. Even with that, I believe he is top 3-4 at the Mr. O this year.
I don't agree honestly.
Phil still has lots of room for improvement.
His pecs need more density (as compared to his arms and delts)
His back needs more width and middle back more detail.
Rear delts could use more size as well.
-CNS
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Wolf owns Heath...The ONLY thing Heath has on Wolf...is Calves.
Calves are no small matter.
Ronnie got a couple inches on his calves and next he was Mr. Olympia.
When he was getting his ass handed to him on the pro circuit, the critics were saying that if he got a pair of calves the sky would be the limit.
re: J. Jackson.. If this guy had a pair of calves he'd be crazy!
Darrem Charles.. Suffered for years til his calves (and overall size) came up. (notable mention goes to his calves however)
The list goes on.
Johny Bravo complex is the bane of bodybuilding.
-CNS
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NEVER EVER COMPARE THE KID WITH RON COLMAN,,ITS LIKE YOU WILL TAKE THE KID AND COMPARE HIM WITH ARNOLD,,ITS UNHEARD OFF,,PHIL HEATTH DOESNT HAVE THE GENETIC FRAM CAPACITY OR STRENGTH TO EVER BE AT THE LEVEL OF RON COLMAN OR ARNOLD ,,,NOR DOES HE HAVE ANY WOW FACTOR LIKE COLMAN BICEP PEAKS AND COLMAN INCREDIBLE PECS AND WIDNESS,,ARNOLD ALSO HAD THE WOW FACTOR BOTH ARMS AND CHEST ,,ONE OF THEM ITS NOT ENOUGH FOR WOW FACTOR,,
YOU HAVE TO HAVE 2 BODY PARTS FOR WOW FACTOR AND THOSE 2 BODYPARTS BETTER BE HIGH PEACKED WHEN IT COMS TO ARMS AND FULL WIDE AND THICK WHEN IT COMES TO CHEST,,PHIL HEATH HAS NEITHER NO WOW ARMS ONLY SLABS OF DETAILED MUSCLE BUT STILL VERY MUCH SLABS OF MUSCLE AND HIS CHEST IS BAD,,
NEVER THE LESS HEATH WITHIMPROVED CHEST WILL = MR 0 NOW DAYS
REMEMBER FRIENDS THERE ARE NO WALKING BODYBUILDERS ON EARTH THAT CAN MATCH ARNOLD AND RON ,,THOSE 2 WERE GENETICALLY FRAMED WELL,,AGAIN NOT GENETICS! BUT GENETICALLY FRAMED WELL! IN ADDITION TO PHNOMINAL RESPOND TO HORMONES WITH VERY HIGH TOLARENCE TO ORALS AND SOLUTIONS
THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER RON OR ANY BETTER THAN RON SAME AS THERE WAS NEVER BEEN ANOTHER ARNOLD AND NEVER WILL BE
HEATH IS SOMEWHERE AT THE LEVEL OF MELVIN ANTONY ,,CAN MAKE A DECENT O CHAMP ,,BETTER THAN JASON BUT NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT ,,,HEATH ALSO DOESNT SCREAM STRENGTH ,,WHEN YOU SAW ARNOLD AND RON ENTER A PLACE IT SCREAMS STRNGTH ,,YOU CAN TELL BOTH ARNOLD AND RON IN THEIR RELATIVE TIME WERE AS STRONG AS POWERLIFTERS IF NOT MORE,,INFACT THEY WERE POWERLIFTERS IN MANY WAYS,,DORIAN TOO
English much?
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Wolf has the best frame in bodybuilding today. He's 6 ft tall with Jay Cutler's shoulder width and Phil Heath's waist. His calves are a weak point along with his lower back, but he can bring those up somewhat. Structurally, he kills Heath and everyone else right now.
There isn't a 'best frame' award given out at shows... But maybe you can drop 'em a line at flexonline.
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Wolf is still betting bigger and better, but so is Heath. both are very impressive. The edge probably goes to Phil overall.
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Ronnie still does not have calves. I don't understand why people consider oil filled bodyparts as legitimate bodyparts. Niether did flex. Niether do so many bbers. It's easy to tell and you know it is. Since when do you have a 2%bf bber totally shredded everywhere else with the exception of his calves?
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There isn't a 'best frame' award given out at shows... But maybe you can drop 'em a line at flexonline.
Kelly Ryan should have won the 2006 "Best Frame" award.
The way she hung all that on Craiggers... a shame.
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There isn't a 'best frame' award given out at shows...
True, but you have to have a certain base to build on. I just think that Heath can only go so far with his structure, and will have trouble winning an Olympia against the likes of Wolf, Cutler, & Vic who are all wide.
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There isn't a 'best frame' award given out at shows... But maybe you can drop 'em a line at flexonline.
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Great post !
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Ronnie still does not have calves. I don't understand why people consider oil filled bodyparts as legitimate bodyparts. Niether did flex. Niether do so many bbers. It's easy to tell and you know it is. Since when do you have a 2%bf bber totally shredded everywhere else with the exception of his calves?
Ronnie at the 1999 Olympia... No oil in the calves at this point.
(Check the pic.)
I've seen the calves close up on the 2001 AC DVD too. (No oil.)
After that, I have no idea.
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Very high tolerance to orals? Arnold took 2 dianabol a week. I think that hardly qualifies as a "high tolerance for orals". Some bodybuilders nowadays take 20 dianabol a day, or a dose 70 times greater than Arnold did, so according to you they should be all Mr.Olympia, since they have clearly an extremely high tolerance for oral androgens.
Arnold took 2 dianabol a week ? lmaoo is this a joke ? get real !!
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Arnold took 2 dianabol a week ? lmaoo is this a joke ? get real !!
hahahhahaha, he also belives Lee Priest only takes 2 cc's of Deca a week along with a little Winstrol. ;D
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XD
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hahahhahaha, he also belives Lee Priest only takes 2 cc's of Deca a week along with a little Winstrol. ;D
When did I say that, liar?
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you people need to stop drinking the koolaiid, heath has that same look of the guy who will always be the bridesmade to someone who is dominant wich will most likely be wolfe!
he will be the shawn ray , flex wheller,kevin levrone ect... of this generation, always 2nd or 3 in the mr onever the champ!
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Arnold took 2 dianabol a week ? lmaoo is this a joke ? get real !!
Funny considering that the half-life of D-Bol is only a few hours.....