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Hi guys.
I just finished re-watching Total Rebuild -The way to Mr.Olympia 1980. Arnold was cocky as hell in that documentary and clearly not very well liked by the other 1980 competitors, to the point that he had his SEPERATE room in the back to wait, while all the other competitors waited and joked around together. He, Franco and this other ass-kisser hung out in the back and it was apparent that he had NO legs and just appeared to thin to me and I thought it was an insult to the rest of the guys that Arnold works out for 8 weeks and takes the throne, when guys like Platz, Mentzer, Zane, etc... had been busting their ass ALL year to get their.
I know this is old news, but seeing how Jay took it last year, it's obvious that politics still take precedence in these kinds of competitions and the ultimate placings of the competitors.
Did any of you think that Arnold was worthy of 1st place and if not, where do you think he should have placed and why?
Peace.
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Dickerson
Zane
Coe
Mentzer
Walker
Callender
Tinnerino
Maybe even Platz
All were better than Arnold that day
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tough call,and was def not his best,but he was the leanest hehad ever been and still had some trademark mass in pecs and back,and was striated in some shots.74/75 was his best.
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He, Franco and this other ass-kisser hung out in the back and it was apparent that he had NO legs and just appeared to thin to me and I thought it was an insult to the rest of the guys that Arnold works out for 8 weeks and takes the throne, when guys like Platz, Mentzer, Zane, etc... had been busting their ass ALL year to get their.
Did any of you think that Arnold was worthy of 1st place and if not, where do you think he should have placed and why?
Peace.
You sound like a bitter Mike Mentzer. :D
And yes, I think Arnold's first place was worthy. The ONLY person that gave him a run for his money was Chris Dickerson.
Oh, and ummmm, peace. ;D
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74/75 was his best.
I'm going with '73 as his best condition.
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tough call,and was def not his best,but he was the leanest hehad ever been and still had some trademark mass in pecs and back,and was striated in some shots.74/75 was his best.
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I say 74 was his best year. He was MASSIVE and conditioned as fuck that year. I think it was his highest weight also. Something like 244 pounds? ND could confirm that for me if he wants to.
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Arnold was booed for the first time in his life and I don't think he should have won. But nothing compares to the travesty that occurred the next year when Franco won. Padilla and Platz easily beat him. This was the greatest injustice ever. Even more so than Jay's last victory. Jay was simply not in top condition but he had no glaring weak points as far as muscular development. Franco had no legs (which accented his bow legs) and obvious gyno. The O is politics. I think the Arnold Clasic is a better contest to determine who has the better physique.
In 1981 I thought Platz should have won but that is just my preference. Padilla was more flawless and I would have been happy with him but I just thought Platz was more impressive. In 1980 I preferred Mentzer.
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My opinion is that Arnold won, he was bigger and ahead of the pack, and along the way he made a bitch and a jealous freak out of Mentzer . Broke him physically and psychologically, inadvertently, Arnold was a good and kind champion.
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close call. arnold lacked tibialis anterior and quad size compared to dickerson, but arnie owned him from the front upperbody. back double bis were about the same, if not going to dickerson. to be honest, i think everyone was expecting either dickerson, mentzer or zane to win and it would be pretty fair if any of them did. just happened to be arnold that day, for whatever reason. the scoresheet is very close... though i'm not sure if mike should be placed behind zane or coe.
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Maybe his best year ever.
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arnold knew how to play the game
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From what I've seen I dont' think Arnie deserved that one, but they gave it to him cause he was the biggest "mainstream" name ever to step onstage at the olympia at that time...
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Arnold was already the savvy politican everybody knows today.
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Maybe his best year ever.
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THIS was his best year:
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This topic is as old as time itself. Everyone in their right mind knows damn well that Arnold had no business winning that show. He was still Joe's golden boy back then and knew that he had a strong chance of winning even if he showed up in less-than-stellar shape (which he did).
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Hi guys.
I just finished re-watching Total Rebuild -The way to Mr.Olympia 1980. Arnold was cocky as hell in that documentary and clearly not very well liked by the other 1980 competitors, to the point that he had his SEPERATE room in the back to wait, while all the other competitors waited and joked around together. He, Franco and this other ass-kisser hung out in the back and it was apparent that he had NO legs and just appeared to thin to me and I thought it was an insult to the rest of the guys that Arnold works out for 8 weeks and takes the throne, when guys like Platz, Mentzer, Zane, etc... had been busting their ass ALL year to get their.
I know this is old news, but seeing how Jay took it last year, it's obvious that politics still take precedence in these kinds of competitions and the ultimate placings of the competitors.
Did any of you think that Arnold was worthy of 1st place and if not, where do you think he should have placed and why?
Peace.
In other late breaking news, Anna Nicole is found dead...
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This topic is as old as time itself. Everyone in their right mind knows damn well that Arnold had no business winning that show. He was still Joe's golden boy back then and knew that he had a strong chance of winning even if he showed up in less-than-stellar shape (which he did).
Yet you still sound bitter of the outcome. ;D
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This topic is as old as time itself. Everyone in their right mind knows damn well that Arnold had no business winning that show. He was still Joe's golden boy back then and knew that he had a strong chance of winning even if he showed up in less-than-stellar shape (which he did).
What do you mean "was" Joe's golden boy? ;D
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In the dvd "Arnold the early years" there's a rare pic gallery of the 80 Mr.O, where Arnold owns everybody in every single pic....
It'd be great if someone can get a hold of them and post them here.
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I would say that Arnold probably just about shaded the decision in 1980. He certainly got there on his name but his physique was still good enough to be considered better than guys like Dickerson who were just starting thir competitive careers back then. All the other guys in that show were cut and in great shape but their height let them down and whenever they were stood next to Arnold with his height, chest size, and biceps peak, they didn't stand a chance.
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Hi guys.
I just finished re-watching Total Rebuild -The way to Mr.Olympia 1980. Arnold was cocky as hell in that documentary and clearly not very well liked by the other 1980 competitors, to the point that he had his SEPERATE room in the back to wait, while all the other competitors waited and joked around together. He, Franco and this other ass-kisser hung out in the back .
Tom Platz was the biggest Arnold's ass kisser if you look closelly, I wish Dennis Tinerinno could come to this board and tell us some interesting episodes from that show,
Even Arnold himself (now) regrets entering the mr.O in 1980, but he's to proud (ego) to admit the real reasons...
He knows that 1980 is the only "stain in his jacket"in his bb carreer.
Back then there wasn't internet or anything like it, just Weider publications, and history belongs to those who write it" .
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I have the GMV version of the 1980 its a must watch if your to have an opinion about the contest. Total rebuild shows nothing of the contest. That said Dickerson was the most complete, Zane was way off his best, and Mentzer had no chest. All 3 of those guys standing alone looked like they could have won. When they stood next to Arnold in the comparison round they were dwarfed both by height and size. He literally was head and shoulders above the pack. I don't blame Mentzers placing on his feud with Arnold I blame it on less than amateur level transitional posing. Mentzer could hit shots with the best of them but his transitions were horrible. He would completely relax and let everything hang out between shots and really began to look gassed very early and started to flatten out. Zane act looked better as the show went on but just couldn't hang with Arnold's size.
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Wasn't Arnold causing a whole lot of fuss, by not voting with the other competitors to get rid of the weight classes, at one point?
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Arnold was booed for the first time in his life and I don't think he should have won. But nothing compares to the travesty that occurred the next year when Franco won. Padilla and Platz easily beat him. This was the greatest injustice ever. Even more so than Jay's last victory. Jay was simply not in top condition but he had no glaring weak points as far as muscular development. Franco had no legs (which accented his bow legs) and obvious gyno. The O is politics. I think the Arnold Clasic is a better contest to determine who has the better physique.
In 1981 I thought Platz should have won but that is just my preference. Padilla was more flawless and I would have been happy with him but I just thought Platz was more impressive. In 1980 I preferred Mentzer.
The greatest injustice was Franco's nipple not even placing... that thing should have competed independently.
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Sadly Arnold only trained a weeks and still looked way better than most of these guys. I really wonder what he would have looked like with 4 months of solid training.
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Wasn't Arnold causing a whole lot of fuss, by not voting with the other competitors to get rid of the weight classes, at one point?
Yeah, and almost got into a fight with Mike "Cry Baby" Mentzer.
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close call. arnold lacked tibialis anterior ........ ::)
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Are you fucking kidding me, do you even know what the tibialis anterior or where it is located???
It is a SMALL muscle that runs down the front of the lower leg and would be little more than 10 pieces of spaghetti tied together. The notion that ANYONE can even see the tibialis anterior is from outed space.
You just lost all credibility.
Sadly Arnold only trained a weeks and still looked way better than most of these guys. I really wonder what he would have looked like with 4 months of solid training.
The notion that Arnold looked "way better than most" is the dumbest statement ever made.
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Yeah, and almost got into a fight with Mike "Cry Baby" Mentzer.
I can see why Mentzer would be adamant about that, seeing that he won the over-200-lb class the previous year (but lost the overall to Frank Zane).
At the end of the day, there can be only one Mr. Olympia. I guess the other folks want to argue about who's #2: the other weight-class winner or the runner-up in the class that produced the overall champion.
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I would say that Arnold probably just about shaded the decision in 1980. He certainly got there on his name but his physique was still good enough to be considered better than guys like Dickerson who were just starting thir competitive careers back then.
Yes, Chris had "just started"his competitive career...LOL..I will limit his shows just to the Pro's and will not toss in the amatuer contests.
1973
Pro Mr America - WBBG, Winner
Mr Universe - NABBA, Short, 1st
Mr Universe - NABBA, Overall Winner
1974
Universe - Pro - NABBA, Short, 1st
Universe - Pro - NABBA, Overall Winner
1975
Universe - Pro - PBBA, 2nd
Pro Mr World - WBBG, 2nd
1976
Olympus - WBBG, 4th
Universe - Pro - NABBA, 3rd
Universe - Pro - NABBA, Short, 2nd
1979
Canada Diamond Pro Cup - IFBB, 2nd
Canada Pro Cup - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix Vancouver - IFBB, 2nd
Olympia - IFBB, LightWeight, 4th
1980
Canada Pro Cup - IFBB, Winner
Florida Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix California - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix Louisiana - IFBB, 2nd
Grand Prix Miami - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix Pennsylvania - IFBB, 2nd
Night of Champions - IFBB, Winner
Olympia - IFBB, 2nd
Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, 2nd
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Arnold said it best when he said people will say what they want, and be in an uproar, but when it's all said and done history will still have him as 7 x's Mr. Olympia. ;D
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Chris had plenty of experience by then not to mention the fact that he had Bill Pearl as his mentor. Who was the head judge at the 1980 Olympia. As for the booing not to sure about that on the GMV video he got the loudest cheers. The only booing was when Roger Walker the hometown fav was given 6th place. All the stuff about Arnold only training a month was BS he trained as he always had and if he hadn't hurt his shoulder and taken a cortisone shot I don't think there would be much to even debate.
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Arnold was still dwarfing everyone.
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Close call for Arnold! :o
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/IMG_0652.jpg)
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Arnold won the 1980 Olympia on charisma and name recognition. He was smaller and softer than he was even at the 1972 Olympia. The thing is that none of the other guys were clearly better than him, so the judges gave it to him because, since everything else was equal, Arnold is Arnold.
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Are you fucking kidding me, do you even know what the tibialis anterior or where it is located???
It is a SMALL muscle that runs down the front of the lower leg and would be little more than 10 pieces of spaghetti tied together. The notion that ANYONE can even see the tibialis anterior is from outed space.
You just lost all credibility.
lol, i know exactly what it is, but it seems that u may be misguided. here's a pic clearly illustrating what it is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tibialis_anterior_2.png
u can see it clearly on both of dickerson's lower legs in the shot that pollux posted. when it comes down to close decisions, things like that should matter, which is y i brought it up.
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Chris had plenty of experience by then not to mention the fact that he had Bill Pearl as his mentor. Who was the head judge at the 1980 Olympia. As for the booing not to sure about that on the GMV video he got the loudest cheers. The only booing was when Roger Walker the hometown fav was given 6th place. All the stuff about Arnold only training a month was BS he trained as he always had and if he hadn't hurt his shoulder and taken a cortisone shot I don't think there would be much to even debate.
Bill Pearl was not a judge at the 1980 O, Head Judge or otherwise. Bill Pearl recused himself as a judge because he said trained Dickerson for the show and said he could not be impartial.
As for ANY film or video (GMV, "The Comeback"), all the cheering was editied into the footage-edited in.
Arnold was widely booed off the stage at the O when he was announced the winner, and ran off the stage and called Maria a "bitch" because he was so upset. This was the first time he had ever been booed.
Vince Basile, who said he was there, said that the booing and cheering were both about the same. Charles Gaines, said there were heavy boos (and also witnessed Arnold calling Maria a "bitch", which is where that came from).
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The notion that Arnold looked "way better than most" is the dumbest statement ever made.
Better go look a the definiton of notion asscrack. ::)
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Arnold won the 1980 Olympia on charisma and name recognition.
He was smaller and softer than he was even at the 1972 Olympia.
The thing is that none of the other guys were clearly better than him, so the judges gave it to him because, since everything else was equal, Arnold is Arnold.
Yes, Arnold's "charisma" WON him the show....errrr...OK
As for the others, many were at all time peaks, and Arnold was at 80%, so I don't know if they were clearly better or not.
One thing for sure, Arnold was not the reigning champ, so that does not really make sense to give it to him, only the current champ gets a close call.
Better go look a the definiton of notion asscrack. ::)
no·tion /ˈnoʊʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[noh-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a general understanding; vague or imperfect conception or idea of something: a notion of how something should be done.
2. an opinion, view, or belief: That's his notion, not mine.
3. conception or idea: his notion of democracy.
4. a fanciful or foolish idea; whim: She had a notion to swim in the winter.
5. an ingenious article, device, or contrivance; knickknack.
6. notions, small articles, as buttons, thread, ribbon, and other personal items, esp. such items displayed together for sale, as in a department store.
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Yes, Arnold's "charisma" WON him the show....errrr...OK
As for the others, many were at all time peaks, and Arnold was at 80%, so I don't know if they were clearly better or not.
One thing for sure, Arnold was not the reigning champ, so that does not really make sense to give it to him, only the current champ gets a close call.
no·tion /ˈnoʊʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[noh-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a general understanding; vague or imperfect conception or idea of something: a notion of how something should be done.
2. an opinion, view, or belief: That's his notion, not mine.
3. conception or idea: his notion of democracy.
4. a fanciful or foolish idea; whim: She had a notion to swim in the winter.
5. an ingenious article, device, or contrivance; knickknack.
6. notions, small articles, as buttons, thread, ribbon, and other personal items, esp. such items displayed together for sale, as in a department store.
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I had a good comeback all ready but you just ruined it. ;D
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It was a Fukin Lock Arnold knew he was going to win the big fix was that there was no prize money given to Arnold best 20k spent on a show.And If one Fukin Pro stepped on stage today with legs that weak you would all Burn Burn Burn.And like somebody has already said 81 was even worse.If you want a laugh look at the 1980 Olympia pics of Tony E and look at the MILK TITTIES.
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In the dvd "Arnold the early years" there's a rare pic gallery of the 80 Mr.O, where Arnold owns everybody in every single pic....
It'd be great if someone can get a hold of them and post them here.
All hand-picked by Arnold himself
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I would say that Arnold probably just about shaded the decision in 1980. He certainly got there on his name but his physique was still good enough to be considered better than guys like Dickerson who were just starting thir competitive careers back then. All the other guys in that show were cut and in great shape but their height let them down and whenever they were stood next to Arnold with his height, chest size, and biceps peak, they didn't stand a chance.
Zane Dickerson and Coe were all competing for 15+ years...they were not just starting out....and Zane, at 5'9", had already beaten Arnold
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I have the GMV version of the 1980 its a must watch if your to have an opinion about the contest. Total rebuild shows nothing of the contest. That said Dickerson was the most complete, Zane was way off his best, and Mentzer had no chest. All 3 of those guys standing alone looked like they could have won. When they stood next to Arnold in the comparison round they were dwarfed both by height and size. He literally was head and shoulders above the pack. I don't blame Mentzers placing on his feud with Arnold I blame it on less than amateur level transitional posing. Mentzer could hit shots with the best of them but his transitions were horrible. He would completely relax and let everything hang out between shots and really began to look gassed very early and started to flatten out. Zane act looked better as the show went on but just couldn't hang with Arnold's size.
Zane suffered a severe urethral puncture wound several weeks prior to the show, but still managed to come in close to his best, he was not 'way off' his best....
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Sadly Arnold only trained a weeks and still looked way better than most of these guys. I really wonder what he would have looked like with 4 months of solid training.
Arnold trained mush longer than what wqas commonly revealed...this was a 'smoke' ecreen to make folks believe that insufficient training time was responsible for his sub-par condition...
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Yeah, and almost got into a fight with Mike "Cry Baby" Mentzer.
It was Arnold who was acting like a child during the heated exchange with Mentzer, who had the balls to challenge him
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Are you fucking kidding me, do you even know what the tibialis anterior or where it is located???
It is a SMALL muscle that runs down the front of the lower leg and would be little more than 10 pieces of spaghetti tied together. The notion that ANYONE can even see the tibialis anterior is from outed space.
You just lost all credibility.
The notion that Arnold looked "way better than most" is the dumbest statement ever made.
Agree on both.
NEVER heard of anyone commenting on the tib anterior, and have never really looked at it in 20 years of judging.
I don't know if he loses ALL credibility, though....
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I can see why Mentzer would be adamant about that, seeing that he won the over-200-lb class the previous year (but lost the overall to Frank Zane).
At the end of the day, there can be only one Mr. Olympia. I guess the other folks want to argue about who's #2: the other weight-class winner or the runner-up in the class that produced the overall champion.
Arnold would have had a better chance of at least winning the over 200 if there was that class, and he knew this would help him still be called 'Mr. O over 200' if he'd lost to the under 200...
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Arnold said it best when he said people will say what they want, and be in an uproar, but when it's all said and done history will still have him as 7 x's Mr. Olympia. ;D
Yes. Very good. He was qwuoted as saying something very similar to this is the M&F following the 80 Olympia issue, and, many years later, many have forgotten the controversy (including many of the forgiving entrants) and only remember, 'Arnold, 7 times Mr. O...'
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Chris had plenty of experience by then not to mention the fact that he had Bill Pearl as his mentor. Who was the head judge at the 1980 Olympia.
No. Bill Pearl, gentleman that he was and is, disqualified himself from the judging due to his ties with Dickerson.
As for the booing not to sure about that on the GMV video he got the loudest cheers. The only booing was when Roger Walker the hometown fav was given 6th place.
No, much more than that...
All the stuff about Arnold only training a month was BS he trained as he always had and if he hadn't hurt his shoulder and taken a cortisone shot I don't think there would be much to even debate.
Correct, but his lack of leg development would have been a sore point regardless...
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Arnold was still dwarfing everyone.
Not Tinnerino
Certainly not in those back shots, Zane and Dickerson both are more complete, thicker and with more head-to-toe detail...
And, you have posted some photos showing Arnold clearly at positional advantage to show mass when few of the others are not.
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lol, i know exactly what it is, but it seems that u may be misguided. here's a pic clearly illustrating what it is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tibialis_anterior_2.png
u can see it clearly on both of dickerson's lower legs in the shot that pollux posted. when it comes down to close decisions, things like that should matter, which is y i brought it up.
Close decisions is EXACTLY when things like that matter
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Bill Pearl was not a judge at the 1980 O, Head Judge or otherwise. Bill Pearl recused himself as a judge because he said trained Dickerson for the show and said he could not be impartial.
As for ANY film or video (GMV, "The Comeback"), all the cheering was editied into the footage-edited in.
Arnold was widely booed off the stage at the O when he was announced the winner, and ran off the stage and called Maria a "bitch" because he was so upset. This was the first time he had ever been booed.
Vince Basile, who said he was there, said that the booing and cheering were both about the same. Charles Gaines, said there were heavy boos (and also witnessed Arnold calling Maria a "bitch", which is where that came from).
True.
In Arnold's rush to get away from the hoard of reporters and everyone else, Maria had lagged behind, chatting with ravenous reporters,,,,"Maria, you stupid bitch, let's get the fuck out of here..."
Gaines had marvelled at the fact that here was Arnold, who, some years earlier, did not have two schillings to rub together, calling a relative of one of the most powerful families in the world a 'stupid bitch'
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It was a Fukin Lock Arnold knew he was going to win the big fix was that there was no prize money given to Arnold best 20k spent on a show.And If one Fukin Pro stepped on stage today with legs that weak you would all Burn Burn Burn.And like somebody has already said 81 was even worse.If you want a laugh look at the 1980 Olympia pics of Tony E and look at the MILK TITTIES.
Taken care of with his poor placing...unlike Franco's milk glands from 12981...worst Mr. O ever, bar NONE
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Agree on both.
NEVER heard of anyone commenting on the tib anterior, and have never really looked at it in 20 years of judging.
I don't know if he loses ALL credibility, though....
i dont lose any credibility, unless you can show me that arnold's tibialis anterior muscles were better than dickerson's.
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i dont lose any credibility, unless you can show me that arnold's tibialis anterior muscles were better than dickerson's.
I am not the one with the credibility statement, friend
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The crowd definitely booed the decision when Arnold was announced the winner. The booing gave way to cheers and he received a loud applause. Only Roger Walker, the local competitor, and Bev Francis received as much applause. Arnold was loudly cheered whenever he posed by himself. He was and is very popular in Australia because he came here several times and did posing and seminars.
I took the black and white prejudging photo above. I took 360 photos at the prejudging. I have access to them but don't have them in my possession. When I do I will start a thread to end all threads about that contest. When you view all those images you won't have any doubt about who was the best. It was close and many will argue that others deserved to win. In the end, it is just a matter of opinion in close contests.
Arnold got my nod but many of the bodybuilders gave it to Dickerson. No one down here told me Mike was the best. Heck, Dennis looked great, too, as did many of the top place getters. There was an embarrassing problem with having a junior judge for Australia because Peter McCarthy wasn't told when the judges meeting was and missed it. Only Paul Graham can explain why Brendan Ryan was selected. Brendan stayed with Arnold when he visited California. Ah, the good old days.
Like Jock Thompson used to say in Vancouver, "There is one winner, and everyone else is second!"
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Word up Moosejay you know your history when it comes to BB.Nice to see some here actually know their stuff.A great call on the 1981 Olympia Fukin Sad and to think this shit still goes on and they the Pros use so much shit and wreck their health and for what 10k at a Grand Prix.FFS.
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The crowd definitely booed the decision when Arnold was announced the winner. The booing gave way to cheers and he received a loud applause. Only Roger Walker, the local competitor, and Bev Francis received as much applause. Arnold was loudly cheered whenever he posed by himself. He was and is very popular in Australia because he came here several times and did posing and seminars.
I took the black and white prejudging photo above. I took 360 photos at the prejudging. I have access to them but don't have them in my possession. When I do I will start a thread to end all threads about that contest. When you view all those images you won't have any doubt about who was the best. It was close and many will argue that others deserved to win. In the end, it is just a matter of opinion in close contests.
Arnold got my nod but many of the bodybuilders gave it to Dickerson. No one down here told me Mike was the best. Heck, Dennis looked great, too, as did many of the top place getters. There was an embarrassing problem with having a junior judge for Australia because Peter McCarthy wasn't told when the judges meeting was and missed it. Only Paul Graham can explain why Brendan Ryan was selected. Brendan stayed with Arnold when he visited California. Ah, the good old days.
Like Jock Thompson used to say in Vancouver, "There is one winner, and everyone else is second!"
Vince you must start this thread over at IronAge!!!
The Beef
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Arnold was still dwarfing everyone.
Look at Zane's back in the third pic. He was the best from the back and should have won that year. Period.
The Beef
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Dickerson
Zane
Coe
Mentzer
Walker
Callender
Tinnerino
Maybe even Platz
All were better than Arnold that day
Arnold was not at his best but still better than Mentzer,Mike just made the most noise.
How many of the Mr Os with more than 2 or 3 wins have had a gift given to them....all of them.Get over it, Arnold won and is still the best bodybuilder ever. 8)
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Zane suffered a severe urethral puncture wound several weeks prior to the show, but still managed to come in close to his best, he was not 'way off' his best....
I remember reading in an IronMan article that featured Zane that, looking back, he shouldn't have competed in 1980. But, Arnold talked him into it. Later, he realized that Arnold did that for his own benefit, as his comeback would look better, if he beat the defending champion for the Olympia title.
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Maybe his best year ever.
They looked so much healthier back then.
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Tom Platz was the biggest Arnold's ass kisser if you look closelly, I wish Dennis Tinerinno could come to this board and tell us some interesting episodes from that show,
Even Arnold himself (now) regrets entering the mr.O in 1980, but he's to proud (ego) to admit the real reasons...
He knows that 1980 is the only "stain in his jacket"in his bb carreer.
Back then there wasn't internet or anything like it, just Weider publications, and history belongs to those who write it" .
What has the internet got to do with Olympia placings?? Do you think fans actually have any say in an outcome?? NO
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It was Arnold who was acting like a child during the heated exchange with Mentzer, who had the balls to challenge him
I was giving Mike Mentzer the moniker of "cry baby" based on his whining for his placing (5th) and the '80 Mr. Olympia experience as a whole, not the conflict between he and Arnold.
If Arnold never would've competed, everyone would've moved up a slot with Chris Dickerson winning, and Mike moving from 5th to 4th - STILL not in top 3 - and he STILL would've whined.
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I was giving Mike Mentzer the moniker of "cry baby" based on his whining for his placing (5th) and the '80 Mr. Olympia experience as a whole, not the conflict between he and Arnold.
If Arnold never would've competed, everyone would've moved up a slot with Chris Dickerson winning, and Mike moving from 5th to 4th - STILL not in top 3 - and he STILL would've whined.
I agree in no way was Mike top 3, I almost think he over depleted trying to come in as cut as Zane. He was definitely having some issues cramping. As the night wore on he held his poses less and less. Any of you guys know if theres any truth behind Mentzer supposedly using amphetamines like speed for cutting?
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Personally, I think Roger Walker should have been alot higher.
1 Arnold Schwarzenegger
2 Chris Dickerson
3 Frank Zane
4 Boyer Coe
5 Mike Mentzer
6 Roger Walker
7 Roy Callendar
8 Dennis Tinerino
9 Tom Platz
10 Danny Padilla
11 Ed Corney
12 Tony Emmott
13 Roy Duval
14 Casey Viator
15 Samir Bannout
16 Ken Waller
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Personally, I think Roger Walker should have been alot higher.
1 Arnold Schwarzenegger
2 Chris Dickerson
3 Frank Zane
4 Boyer Coe
5 Mike Mentzer
6 &guy Walker
7 Roy Callendar
8 Dennis Tinerino
9 Tom Platz
10 Danny Padilla
11 Ed Corney
12 Tony Emmott
13 Roy Duval
14 Casey Viator
15 Samir Bannout
16 Ken Waller
I agree 100%.
Roger Walker could match Arnold in size, and came in good shape.
Plus I had just bought an Ironman Magazine that had Roger on the cover and I though he looked great.
I still have this magazine somewhere around my house.....
(http://www.musclememory.com/magCovers/im/im4003.jpg)
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I agree 100%.
Roger Walker could match Arnold in size, and came in good shape.
Plus I had just bought an Ironman Magazine that had Roger on the cover and I though he looked great.
I still have this magazine somewhere around my house.....
I've seen the comeback quite a few times.
Every time I see Roger Walker on stage next to Arnold...I can't believe how much harder, well developed, & defined Roger looks compared to Arnold. And then he places 6th?
Doesn't make sense
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i dont lose any credibility, unless you can show me that arnold's tibialis anterior muscles were better than dickerson's.
I asm not the one who saasid anything about your cred
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Arnold was not at his best but still better than Mentzer,Mike just made the most noise.
How many of the Mr Os with more than 2 or 3 wins have had a gift given to them....all of them.Get over it, Arnold won and is still the best bodybuilder ever. 8)
There is nothing for me to get over, GOD. This is just interesting conversastion.
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I remember reading in an IronMan article that featured Zane that, looking back, he shouldn't have competed in 1980. But, Arnold talked him into it. Later, he realized that Arnold did that for his own benefit, as his comeback would look better, if he beat the defending champion for the Olympia title.
Yes.
Zasne later had lunch with Arnold, and asked him why he urged him to compete despite his injury.
"C'mon, Frank," Arnold said. "It's competition-there are no friendships when there is competition."
The words qwere something to that effect.
Ultimately, Zane understood and came to terms with it.
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I was giving Mike Mentzer the moniker of "cry baby" based on his whining for his placing (5th) and the '80 Mr. Olympia experience as a whole, not the conflict between he and Arnold.
If Arnold never would've competed, everyone would've moved up a slot with Chris Dickerson winning, and Mike moving from 5th to 4th - STILL not in top 3 - and he STILL would've whined.
Yeah-that's likely right. It especially seems true given Mentzer's subseqwuent fall from sanity and the unfortunate course of his life after that period.
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I agree in no way was Mike top 3, I almost think he over depleted trying to come in as cut as Zane. He was definitely having some issues cramping. As the night wore on he held his poses less and less. Any of you guys know if theres any truth behind Mentzer supposedly using amphetamines like speed for cutting?
I have heard from many sources that he and Viator wqere big on those types of stimulants...not just for physiqwue improvement
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Word up Moosejay you know your history when it comes to BB.Nice to see some here actually know their stuff.A great call on the 1981 Olympia Fukin Sad and to think this shit still goes on and they the Pros use so much shit and wreck their health and for what 10k at a Grand Prix.FFS.
Thank you, my friend.
Yes. 129812 wqas probably bb's darkest hour. Utterly a silly decision. Can't find hardly any photos and certainly no video from that showq...that's for sure.
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What has the internet got to do with Olympia placings?? Do you think fans actually have any say in an outcome?? NO
With the internet you can actually talk TODAY with people who were there at the show 28 years ago,fans,judges even competitors themselves!!!! from every coners of the globe...
Not the same as having to wait for a Weider publication 3 months after the show to know who won.....
Who knew?
get it?
GOOD.
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Tom Platz was the biggest Arnold's ass kisser if you look closelly, I wish Dennis Tinerinno could come to this board and tell us some interesting episodes from that show,
Even Arnold himself (now) regrets entering the mr.O in 1980, but he's to proud (ego) to admit the real reasons...
He knows that 1980 is the only "stain in his jacket"in his bb carreer.
Back then there wasn't internet or anything like it, just Weider publications, and history belongs to those who write it" .
Can you tell us when Arnold stated that he regrets having entered the 1980 Olympia? I have never read this or heard him state this.
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Can you tell us when Arnold stated that he regrets having entered the 1980 Olympia? I have never read this or heard him state this.
Arnold never said he regreted it. He stated that maybe he went into it for the wrong reasons.
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Thank you, my friend.
Yes. 129812 wqas probably bb's darkest hour. Utterly a silly decision. Can't find hardly any photos and certainly no video from that showq...that's for sure.
Sorry...meant to type 1981
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Yes.
Zasne later had lunch with Arnold, and asked him why he urged him to compete despite his injury.
"C'mon, Frank," Arnold said. "It's competition-there are no friendships when there is competition."
The words qwere something to that effect.
Ultimately, Zane understood and came to terms with it.
When Frank Zane won the 1979 Mr. Olympia, Arnold was doing the TV coverage of it for one of the Networks-cannot recall but it may have been NBC.
So, Arnold starts interviewing Frank about the 79 O win and the first question is;
Arnold: So Frank, how did it feel to win the Mr. Olympia contest today?
Frank: Well Arnold, it almost felt as good as when I beat you!
BOOM!!!!!!!
Frank said Arnold was very upset, and that he believes this was the true reason Arnold entered the 1980 O, to beat Frank Zane for making himlook like a monkey on TV.
It should also be noted for the record that CBS spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in production costs to film the 1980 Mr. O, and after everything that happened refused to show even 5 seconds of the show-THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE SHOW.
I bet CBS does not even know they still have that footage, they could make a gold mine by selling that show today.
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I bet CBS does not even know they still have that footage
IF they even have it. Don't quote me, but I think I read somewhere to the effect that CBS no longer has footage of the contest. :'(
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When Frank Zane won the 1979 Mr. Olympia, Arnold was doing the TV coverage of it for one of the Networks-cannot recall but it may have been NBC.
So, Arnold starts interviewing Frank about the 79 O win and the first question is;
Arnold: So Frank, how did it feel to win the Mr. Olympia contest today?
Frank: Well Arnold, it almost felt as good as when I beat you!
BOOM!!!!!!!
Frank said Arnold was very upset, and that he believes this was the true reason Arnold entered the 1980 O, to beat Frank Zane for making himlook like a monkey on TV.
It should also be noted for the record that CBS spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in production costs to film the 1980 Mr. O, and after everything that happened refused to show even 5 seconds of the show-THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE SHOW.
I bet CBS does not even know they still have that footage, they could make a gold mine by selling that show today.
He also said he'd entered to show that "Mentzer and Coe cannot knock my training."
Coe was incredulous over this bc he could not recall knocking A's training and thought, "We were friends."
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Can you tell us when Arnold stated that he regrets having entered the 1980 Olympia? I have never read this or heard him state this.
From his own mouth.....listen the the archived PBW broadcast. A question I asked him specifically.
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He also said he'd entered to show that "Mentzer and Coe cannot knock my training."
Coe was incredulous over this bc he could not recall knocking A's training and thought, "We were friends."
Well, Arnold never said that himself-
That was a reason that some people felt Arnold entered the 1980 O-but that never came out of Arnold's mouth. Many thought that Arnold wanted to teach Mentzer a lesson becuase Mentzer was saying the Arnold's 20 sets per body part was bullshit training. I think this may very well be true= but Arnold has never personally stated that.
The Zane reason is straight from Zanes own mouth-he said that. It was pure speculation on Zane's part-but I know how Arnold thinks, and that is how he thinks (see below).
I KNEW that when Jesse Venture won the Govenorship of MN that Arnold would run for Govenorship of CA sooner or later-to prove he could do what Ventura did.
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He may not have said it, but he was quoted as saying it
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From his own mouth.....listen the the archived PBW broadcast. A question I asked him specifically.
He didn't say he regretted it per se. Just that maybe the reason he did go into the show was for the wrong reasons. Maybe you should listen to it again. ;)
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He didn't say he regretted it per se. Just that maybe the reason he did go into the show was for the wrong reasons. Maybe you should listen to it again. ;)
Listen who do you think will win the Mr.O and then regret it?
As far as i know
Arnold is known as the greates bb ever
However, Lee Haney is known as the one who broke his record, won 8 mr.O, and most fans have no problem with any of his wins....
while Arnold has 7 Mr.O, and there's a lot I mean a lot of controversy about his last one.
Was it worth it?
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based on these pics, arnold shat on everyone.
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based on these pics, arnold shat on everyone.
HAHAHAHA Yes.
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What amazed me after watching the documentary is that Arnold was already at that point (1980) being treated as though he was a Hollywood A star. There were a ton of professional photographers in the lockeroom taking all kinds of shots of Arnold and all the other guys (who were in a seperate room in the back) were pretty much being treated as second class citizens.
Arnold won it before he even stepped on stage. Mr. Weider made sure of that. Arnold was on his way to stardom and Joe knew it. Joe was kind of like Vince McMahon. It was a good business decision to have Arnold win. It brought a lot of publicity to bodybuilding.
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:o
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Wow, Arnold looks so SMALL and skinny here-cut, but not big.
Almost a swimmer like build.
Where did his thick chest go to, and the legs are even smaller.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=205159.0;attach=239749;image)
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Wow, Arnold looks so SMALL and skinny here-cut, but not big.
Almost a swimmer like build.
Where did his thick chest go to, and the legs are even smaller.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=205159.0;attach=239749;image)
That's him at about 215lbs rather then 235lbs.
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why did cbs not show it?
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Maybe his best year ever.
A question.
Why he is not veiny at all? Genetic? Gears?
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BODY FAT ;D.
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Why he is not veiny at all? Genetic? Gears?
Arnold was pretty veiny if you see close up shots. The only guy who looks veiny from a distance are Coleman and Dillet with there freaky garden hose veins.
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Arnold is getting spanked vs. Walker and Tinnerino in that ab shot
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Far from his best but still the best man that day, from what I've seen.
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Far from his best but still the best man that day, from what I've seen.
Debatable, as are most endeavors of subjectivity
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why did cbs not show it?
Because they saw the result as bullshit like the majority of people in attendance. Arnold should not have won this contest in any way shape/form.
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I don't agree. Arnold made the movie apparently to get some publicity for his movie career. I don't think any of the competitors knew he was competing. I told a few of them at the Bondi Hotel just before the contest but I doubt they believed me. I knew because Paul Graham told me but it was supposed to be a secret. Arnold stayed at the Hilton Hotel in the city so wasn't with the other guys. Zane moved there later.
Everyone can have an opinion. However I was the only guy who took prejudging photos at the right level to assess the physiques properly. After looking at hundreds of these photos and the slides I concluded Arnold was the winner. Dickerson had great legs and posed well but his arms and chest were small when standing beside Arnold. People have argued for Mentzer, Zane, Coe, Tinerino, Callendar, Walker and Arnold being the winner. That is what happens in a close contest. The scores clearly show that, too.
I had a friend take some video but he got so excited he was stamping his feet and the quality sucks. Not sure if I captured the booing. It was there, no mistake about that. There was a bit of booing for several of the finalists to show displeasure at where the judges placed them.
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I don't agree. Arnold made the movie apparently to get some publicity for his movie career. I don't think any of the competitors knew he was competing. I told a few of them at the Bondi Hotel just before the contest but I doubt they believed me. I knew because Paul Graham told me but it was supposed to be a secret. Arnold stayed at the Hilton Hotel in the city so wasn't with the other guys. Zane moved there later.
Everyone can have an opinion. However I was the only guy who took prejudging photos at the right level to assess the physiques properly. After looking at hundreds of these photos and the slides I concluded Arnold was the winner. Dickerson had great legs and posed well but his arms and chest were small when standing beside Arnold. People have argued for Mentzer, Zane, Coe, Tinerino, Callendar, Walker and Arnold being the winner. That is what happens in a close contest. The scores clearly show that, too.
I had a friend take some video but he got so excited he was stamping his feet and the quality sucks. Not sure if I captured the booing. It was there, no mistake about that. There was a bit of booing for several of the finalists to show displeasure at where the judges placed them.
Thanks for clearing things up again since you are the only one around who was actually there. You could make an argument for any guy but IMO Arnold had the best combo of mass, conditioning and aesthetics. I agree though that it must have been very close as places 3-6 could be anyone depending on the criteria chosen.
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A question.
Why he is not veiny at all? Genetic? Gears?
poor Pic quality.
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ON most of these pics, Arnold's legs are an absolute disgrace. The guy got judged on half a body.
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Wow, Arnold looks so SMALL and skinny here-cut, but not big.
Almost a swimmer like build.
Where did his thick chest go to, and the legs are even smaller.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=205159.0;attach=239749;image)
here's another pic from that same photo shoot, you can see his chest and arms looking around 20 inches even standing relax....... so much for the "swimmer look".
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery3/m302.jpg)
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ON most of these pics, Arnold's legs are an absolute disgrace. The guy got judged on half a body.
Arnold calves were the biggest at that show.
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Before the show....
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery10/ar112.jpg)
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Before the show....
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery10/ar112.jpg)
INCREDIBLE chest, even for today's standard
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why did cbs not show it?
To my knowledge, CBS found the show ludicrous, and refused to broadcast it in spite of Arnold's victory.
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If Arnold was a stranger coming to the stage looking like that way he did ...but because he he was a 6 times Mr.O champ, looking so small compared with his former self on previous showing........
Don't give me wrong, You still could make 2 competitors out of Arnold...
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/059.jpg)
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Two of the biggest back that night!!!
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/037.jpg)
The best calves Arnold and Chris!!!
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/039.jpg)
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After 3 years of Zane as the Mr.O, Arnold brought the best shoulder to waist ratio that night!!!
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/029.jpg)
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(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/033.jpg)
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/058.jpg)
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/054.jpg)
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/053.jpg)
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/001.jpg)
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/060.jpg)
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/049.jpg)
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Nice pictures. Arnold is the clear winner in my book.
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I think I see Vince in the crowd ;D
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The most overlooked contestant
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Well, Arnold never said that himself-
That was a reason that some people felt Arnold entered the 1980 O-but that never came out of Arnold's mouth. Many thought that Arnold wanted to teach Mentzer a lesson becuase Mentzer was saying the Arnold's 20 sets per body part was bullshit training. I think this may very well be true= but Arnold has never personally stated that.
The Zane reason is straight from Zanes own mouth-he said that. It was pure speculation on Zane's part-but I know how Arnold thinks, and that is how he thinks (see below).
I KNEW that when Jesse Venture won the Govenorship of MN that Arnold would run for Govenorship of CA sooner or later-to prove he could do what Ventura did.
In the Arnold bio, Fantastic, he is quoted as saying that he it was Mentzer he wanted to shut up and one of the reason for coming out of retirement.
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why did cbs not show it?
Because they believed it was fixed-IMHO. ::)
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In the Arnold bio, Fantastic, he is quoted as saying that he it was Mentzer he wanted to shut up and one of the reason for coming out of retirement.
I never even knew he had a book called Fantastic!
What page??? Do you know??
The most overlooked contestant
Roger Walker looked great, and in this pic he goes toe to toe with Arnold on size;
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/029.jpg)
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Roger Walker looked great, and in this pic he goes toe to toe with Arnold on size;
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/029.jpg)
Roger def. had better legs than Arnold
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Roger def. had better legs than Arnold
Shit-WALKER destroys Arnold's legs.
This was the worst Arnies legs ever looked, he should have just stayed home and not caused all this CONTRAVERSY!!!! ::)
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I never even knew he had a book called Fantastic!
What page??? Do you know??
Yes. It's by Laurence Leamer. I have the book, and flipped through the portion pertaining to the 1980 Mr. Olympia, and found nothing about what Pellius is talking about.
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Yes. It's by Laurence Leamer. I have the book, and flipped through the portion pertaining to the 1980 Mr. Olympia, and found nothing about what Pellius is talking about.
I tend to buy the Frank Zane reason above anything else, including Mike Mentzer.
I mean Frank humiliated Arnold on National TV, and Arnold was pissed.
I can see Arnold in my head right now blowing a gasket and thinking "I am going in the O next year and I am going to teach a lesson to Frank Zane"...that is his mentality-he hates to be beaten, even over a stupid interview comment from Zane.
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I tend to buy the Frank Zane reason above anything else, including Mike Mentzer.
I mean Frank humiliated Arnold on National TV, and Arnold was pissed.
I can see Arnold in my head right now blowing a gasket and thinking "I am going in the O next year and I am going to teach a lesson to Frank Zane"...that is his mentality-he hates to be beaten, even over a stupid interview comment from Zane.
Funny you mentioned that because that is EXACTLY what is stated in the book.
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Frank Zane is cocky. No one can doubt that. Arnold was the king and I guess he wasn't pleased that such a small guy was winning the Olympia year after year.
If you look at some of the photos you will see that Arnold dwarfs Frank in chest, calves and arms. Frank places 3rd and perhaps was lucky because he was the reigning champion that year.
There is no way that Arnold would have felt that Frank was his equal on the posing platform or in the gym.
Look at the silly angles taken by the pro photographers. Since the seats were sold long before they arrived they didn't have the best positions available and were under, on the side, or even behind the competitors! Lucky for John Balik that I got him a seat for the finals beside me in the middle of the hall.
Here is the photo I took of Mike. Looked great here and Ironman used it for their cover. I photoshopped the image in the second photo. I will have to get access to the original slides to show even more detail, plus the other competitors.
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Frank Zane is cocky. No one can doubt that. Arnold was the king and I guess he wasn't pleased that such a small guy was winning the Olympia year after year.
If you look at some of the photos you will see that Arnold dwarfs Frank in chest, calves and arms. Frank places 3rd and perhaps was lucky because he was the reigning champion that year.
There is no way that Arnold would have felt that Frank was his equal on the posing platform or in the gym.
Look at the silly angles taken by the pro photographers. Since the seats were sold long before they arrived they didn't have the best positions available and were under, on the side, or even behind the competitors! Lucky for John Balik that I got him a seat for the finals beside me in the middle of the hall.
You need to post some photos sometime soon, are they color by the way?
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they're drawings in crayons
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they're drawings in crayons
Bringing the funny! ;D
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Two of the biggest back that night!!!
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/037.jpg)
The best calves Arnold and Chris!!!
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/039.jpg)
Sorry dude, but Platz had the best calves that night and every other night ;)
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I never even knew he had a book called Fantastic!
What page??? Do you know??
Roger Walker looked great, and in this pic he goes toe to toe with Arnold on size;
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/029.jpg)
Dennis Tinnero was also around 240 pounds, so Arnold was not the heaviest man that night. Arnold was said to be between 212 and 220 pounds that night. A shadow of his former 230-250 pound self.
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Dennis Tinnero was also around 240 pounds, so Arnold was not the heaviest man that night. Arnold was said to be between 212 and 220 pounds that night. A shadow of his former 230-250 pound self.
You mean this Arnold :o
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Damn...no one can touch that!
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Fuckin' untouchable! :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=205159.0;attach=240034;image)
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/ArnoldathisBEST.jpg)
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As much as we like Arnold let's stick to the topic at hand....Mr.O 1980
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As much as we like Arnold lete's stick to the topic at hand....Mr.O 1980
We've established that. Now we're moving on to how GREAT he is. ;D
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Dennis looked watery to me...very smooth
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Do'n't agree about Dennis. He was overlooked.
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Arnie is the best bodybuilder ever !!!
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Imagine walking around looking like that:
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/ArnoldathisBEST.jpg)
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True.
In Arnold's rush to get away from the hoard of reporters and everyone else, Maria had lagged behind, chatting with ravenous reporters,,,,"Maria, you stupid bitch, let's get the fuck out of here..."
Gaines had marvelled at the fact that here was Arnold, who, some years earlier, did not have two schillings to rub together, calling a relative of one of the most powerful families in the world a 'stupid bitch'
he is arnold 8) she was lucky he even gave her the time of day 8)
he is numero uno 8)
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I tend to buy the Frank Zane reason above anything else, including Mike Mentzer.
I mean Frank humiliated Arnold on National TV, and Arnold was pissed.
I can see Arnold in my head right now blowing a gasket and thinking "I am going in the O next year and I am going to teach a lesson to Frank Zane"...that is his mentality-he hates to be beaten, even over a stupid interview comment from Zane.
that probably went through his head again when dexter tried to own him at the arnold. when arnold said he knew dex was a great champ that practiced posing for hours each day, to which dex replied - i never pose, i'm too lazy. arnold looked very angry, but got his own back when he said dex managed to built his body by taking a few pills ;D
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Imagine walking around looking like that:
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/ArnoldathisBEST.jpg)
:o The man is god like 8)
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that probably went through his head again when dexter tried to own him at the arnold. when arnold said he knew dex was a great champ that practiced posing for hours each day, to which dex replied - i never pose, i'm too lazy. arnold looked very angry, but got his own back when he said dex managed to built his body by taking a few pills ;D
did he say that? How disingenuous..and dumb to say to Arnold
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Sometimes I ask myself how much of Arnold's mythical status in bodybuilding is the result of his physique, and how much of it is the result of his charisma.
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Sometimes I ask myself how much of Arnold's mythical status in bodybuilding is the result of his physique, and how much of it is the is result of his charisma.
i'd say it's a combination of his physique, hollywood career, bbing career and charisma.
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Sometimes I ask myself how much of Arnold's mythical status in bodybuilding is the result of his physique, and how much of it is the is result of his charisma.
I think we're mesmerized more by his physique rather than his charisma. Don't get me wrong, his charisma is fantastic, but I think most of us train and are inspired by the physique rather than the charisma, no?
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pollux, many guys have had great physiques. arnold had a fantastic chest, arms, ripped back, huge calves, and overall aesthetic and big physique, but when i look at him, i always say to myself 'wow... arnold' or something to that effect, lol. i do say that about other bbers too, but the guy has done so much, the rest of his life i'm sure plays a factor when myself and others look at him.
multiple time olympia and universe winning physique. even if he looked worse than he did, it's still an impressive resume, which would bump up his physique based on his comp history. maybe im wrong though.. just a thought. i still love the guy. :)
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arnold had a fantastic chest, arms, ripped back, huge calves, and overall aesthetic and big physique, but when i look at him, i always say to myself 'wow... arnold'
LOL! I'm the same way.
Can't enough of Schwazzie. 8)
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did he say that? How disingenuous..and dumb to say to Arnold
yes, arnold interviewed him on stage when he won. by the way dex replied the pills were hydroxycut ::)
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yes, arnold interviewed him on stage when he won. by the way dex replied the pills were hydroxycut ::)
Some of these guys like to talk 'lazy' to translate to us commoners that what they do is 'no big thang' and is easy for them...you know...to further distance themselves from us.
We know this is not so, and Arnie certainly knows this. That's why he destroyed ole Dex on stage ;)
Its Tinkertoy pyschology
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By the way...what did Arnold do/ react when Dex said 'Hydroxycut' (did he really say that?)
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By the way...what did Arnold do/ react when Dex said 'Hydroxycut' (did he really say that?)
well arnold had been making jokes all night about how no-one could find bodybuilders in the audience because they were all selling stuff, like lou and autographs etc, so when dex said that he was like ' oh not again' download the comp from bb.com, and just fast forward it to the end. they talk about his training only taking an hour each day too, arnold was saying he did 3-5 hours a day :o
i'm a dex fan but he's an ignorant cvnt when getting interviewed >:( really showed a lack of class.
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Well, he was either clueless or arrogant...certainly not respectful to or of Arnold, and totally ignorant of marketing himself in a more humanistic light.
Would you agree that's what he did without me seeing the video (This computer I am on has no audio...I will get to one at my office that does Monday)
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A god on earth........ I think so ;D
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Thanks, MikeThaMachine!
I've never seen this pic before...
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=205159.0;attach=240229;image)
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Well, he was either clueless or arrogant...certainly not respectful to or of Arnold, and totally ignorant of marketing himself in a more humanistic light.
Would you agree that's what he did without me seeing the video (This computer I am on has no audio...I will get to one at my office that does Monday)
yes, i'd say he was more ignorant/clueless about how to portray himself, rather than trying to make arnold look bad, he's a fool, with his physique and a bit of charisma or just plain manners he would be much more highly thought of.
i recommend you download it and listen if you can.
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yes, i'd say he was more ignorant/clueless about how to portray himself, rather than trying to make arnold look bad, he's a fool, with his physique and a bit of charisma or just plain manners he would be much more highly thought of.
i recommend you download it and listen if you can.
Will do and thanks.
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I think Arnold was pissed off in general - Dex was just the icing on the cake.
Dex stuff wasn't bad at all on its own, but when you listen at Arnold's before-speech(puns left and right) and then Dex's interview it kinda fuses into "What shit has become of bodybuilding"...
...Arnold won't recover :'(
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I think Arnold was pissed off in general - Dex was just the icing on the cake.
Dex stuff wasn't bad at all on its own, but when you listen at Arnold's before-speech(puns left and right) and then Dex's interview it kinda fuses into "What shit has become of bodybuilding"...
...Arnold won't recover :'(
Please explain why you think he was pissed off in general....
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Is this morphed? ???
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=205159.0;attach=240231;image)
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No.
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Please explain why you think he was pissed off in general....
He has, literally, moved on, but he was and still is an iconic figure in BB - partly the sport is his child. A child grows, changes and you grow and change with it - it's kinda one with you....
I think he doesn't like that it's a "shortcut" sport today, where physiques are more fugly than beautiful.
Additionally Dex's tongue in cheek comments weren't exactly on par with the attitude that a "champ" should display...
I bet Arnie was thinking "oh how funny Deksdder - you ineloquent, short, ugly turtle-fuck" to himself.
But, who knows.
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I'd say your words likely ring true...and I don't believe Arnold likes to be invloved with anything or anyone who half-asses it or puts on airs
He hasn't much choice when the victor of his namesake show is, well...a dud
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Arnold was owned by Ben when he asked him if he knew what was wrong with the American constitution. Of course Arnold knew what Ben was going to say. What a phoney!
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Arnold would have been just another BB if not for Ben and Joe and his good friend Paul.It's nice to have friends in power.Hmmmmmmmmmmmm????.
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Arnold has stated in print that he befriends only those who can help him achieve his goals. That is quite a limiting agenda. He doesn't have much time for the old gang anymore. Who would have believed Arnold would require bodyguards, photographers and stooges as an entourage at his own show?! I think he achieved too much fame. Probably not enough in his mind but his political office probably means more to him than all his titles and conquests.
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Arnold was owned by Ben when he asked him if he knew what was wrong with the American constitution. Of course Arnold knew what Ben was going to say. What a phoney!
Yes, Arnold knew, and we as an audience knew what Ben was talking about. And that's OWNING Arnold how? ???
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Yes, Arnold knew, and we as an audience knew what Ben was talking about. And that's OWNING Arnold how? ???
I was wondering how that was an owning also ::)
More like a compliment to 99.9% of people.
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He has, literally, moved on, but he was and still is an iconic figure in BB - partly the sport is his child. A child grows, changes and you grow and change with it - it's kinda one with you....
I think he doesn't like that it's a "shortcut" sport today, where physiques are more fugly than beautiful.
Additionally Dex's tongue in cheek comments weren't exactly on par with the attitude that a "champ" should display...
I bet Arnie was thinking "oh how funny Deksdder - you ineloquent, short, ugly turtle-fuck" to himself.
But, who knows.
i woudn't say dex's physique is ugly, i'd say its the finest in the pro circuit today, everything balanced and in proportion, with amazing conditioning and best of all no gut 8)
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i woudn't say dex's physique is ugly, i'd say its the finest in the pro circuit today, everything balanced and in proportion, with amazing conditioning and best of all no gut 8)
Actually, he's got the gut thing going for him now. :-[
Now, if only I can find those pics... :(
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Actually, he's got the gut thing going for him now. :-[
Now, if only I can find those pics... :(
no he doesn't. ;)
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Actually, he's got the gut thing going for him now. :-[
Now, if only I can find those pics... :(
Without holding his stomack, you still can't call it a gut.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery9/smg19.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery3/m113.jpg)
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Without holding his stomack, you still can't call it a gut.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery9/smg19.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery3/m113.jpg)
I was talking about Dexter Jackson, NOT Arnold.
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He has, literally, moved on, but he was and still is an iconic figure in BB - partly the sport is his child. A child grows, changes and you grow and change with it - it's kinda one with you....
I think he doesn't like that it's a "shortcut" sport today, where physiques are more fugly than beautiful.
Additionally Dex's tongue in cheek comments weren't exactly on par with the attitude that a "champ" should display...
I bet Arnie was thinking "oh how funny Deksdder - you ineloquent, short, ugly turtle-fuck" to himself.
Strongly agree
But, who knows.
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From 1966...
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/Arnold1.jpg)
...to 1980.
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/Arnold4.jpg)
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Thanks, MikeThaMachine!
I've never seen this pic before...
It has been posted by a friend of mine at least 3 years ago...
... who has scanned about 1500 Arnold pics, never posted on the Web...
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Guys.................... .....................Ser iously ;D