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Posted by: Massive G on Dec. 07 2003,19:24 I am posting this for all those interested. If Dante or Mike objects I am sure it will be taken down.Hopefully this will become a sticky or pinned thread in which people may post their questions and feedback.Props to Dante for writing this mini novel in condensed form.Dogg: Without sounding cocky I am a very advanced bodybuilder down here in San Diego--cruising at 285lbs or so and going up over 300 this year. I came from a very, very hard gaining and skinny genetic structure (140lbs about 10 years ago) so gains have never come easy and I didn’t start super supplements until I was 225 clean (took me 6 years). (I use food as my chief anabolic). What I am amazed at is the number of 180 to 220lb bodybuilders on the net who spend ungodly amounts of money and use so many different exotic compounds thinking that it is the end all super stack of all stacks. And they take huge, huge risks in trying to acquire these drugs.
I have had an abundance of pro and top amateur friends to gain the knowledge that pretty much these top people in the sport are blasting high amounts of test as the base drug in the offseason to put on pro size with mostly one (sometimes two) other compounds (usually fina, or equipoise or some other non exotic drug and GH if it can be afforded). I firmly believe you will gain 2 times the amount of muscle off of 2 grams of test either alone or with another compound than having some kind of exotic stack involving 3 to 6 exotic hard to get expensive compounds. The receptor site theories have proven to be bunk. The cheapest and best stack I can think of anyone doing to put on major size is a gram or two of test with arimidex to keep water off with fina 75 to 150mg every other day for 4 weeks --then 2 to 3 weeks of cruising (test at 300-400mg and clomid at 5 (day one), 4(day two), 3(day three),then 2 every day for 2 weeks)--and then back on everything full again (maybe equipoise used instead of fina this time) for 4 weeks (then 2 to 3 weeks cruising again etc etc)---if you can’t gain gobs of muscle on that nothing exotic (masteron, etc etc etc) surely isn’t going to do it for you. Testosterone is always the base for any gaining cycle of any pro friend I’ve had or top people with whom I talked with off record. I have never even been over 1000mg of test myself (yet) but I see guys spending and using 10 times the amount I do weighing 70lbs less. I think there is a major problem when the easiest, cheapest and most potent things are right in front of people and they are off searching for substance B-737 undecylate in bulgaria.
All too often we’ve seen 180-220 lbs bodybuilders obsessed with some irrelevant minutiae of bodybuilding, arguing the merits of using anavar stacked with creatine or how dosages of primobolan should be divided up in order to maximize size. Just the other day in the gym, I heard two wannabe bodybuilders actually discussing the merits of using creatine stacked with various fruit juices. Now admittedly, I train at 24 Hour Fitness, not the most hardcore gym on the planet, but I literally had to laugh out loud listening to these two idiots taking each other incredibly seriously over an issue that has about as much relevance to the gaining of lean body mass as what kind of underwear I choose to put on prior to my foray into the gym. I know that both Dogg and myself receive countless emails from bodybuilders looking for that one special compound, you know the one I mean, the secret steroid that all the pros are using and no one else seems to be able to get their hands on. The steroid that if only I could manage to obtain, I’d be kicking Coleman’s ass all over the Olympia stage in no time.
There is a major problem when the cheapest, easiest, and most potent drugs are widely available and bodybuilders are blaming their lack of success on everything but their food intake, work ethic in the gym, or cycles that wouldn’t make my girlfriend grow. Perhaps the biggest secret in bodybuilding is that there are no secrets. There are no secret stacks, there are no secret drugs, the amateurs and pros that we see in Flex and other magazines are using the same drugs that are readily available to you or I. Ask any top amateur or pro what his favorite steroid is and you’ll undoubtedly get the same answer from everyone: TESTOSTERONE!! 2 grams of test a week is going to put size on you unlike anything else, I don’t care how exotic or expensive. You show me a rare DDR steroid that supposedly is 50X as anabolic as testosterone and runs $600 per bottle and I’ll show you a GC/MS assay of cheap steroids you could pick up in Mexico for $20. Anavar? A drug I put my girlfriend on if she wants to gain a few pounds of muscle. Primobolan? A steroid I’d give to my kid if he had the flu. Ok, these drugs may have their place in a bridging cycle, but believe me, no bodybuilder attempting to gain brutal size need to concern himself with mass cycles containing impotent steroids like anavar and primobolan.
Dogg: I am of the opinion that people should use the lowest dosages possible that will keep them gaining. If a newbie bodybuilder starts off with 2 grams of T every week and a high dose of fina etc, etc and eventually taps out on that where is he going to go? 4000 a week? I believe one should make their way up 750, to 1000 to 1200 to 1500 and so on slowly thru cycles. I am an advocate of the 4 week on 2 week cruising (then back on) method not because of receptor site saturation but due to 3 very important (to me) factors... 1) I lift extremely heavy and I push the limits for 4 weeks and I just need 2 weeks to kind of regroup myself and then go balls to the wall again with poundages for the next 4 weeks 2)Same with food intake-I religiously get in 500 to 600 grams of protein and I have to give myself a little break for those 2 weeks (I only go down to 400grams or so) or I'll go crazy 3) I think it’s of utmost importance to keep yourself regulated HPTA-wise. If your endogenous test levels diminish due to constant months of high androgens when you do finally come off those size gains fly out the door...if you can keep your endo test somewhat normal you wont get the huge problems that keep most bodybuilders bouncing up and down in bodyweight like yo-yo's..namely getting colds and flu's/injuries/depression/lack of aggression and appetite (which usually means test to estrogen ratio out of whack)...
During the cruising period the 300-400mg of test will keep you from losing any muscle at all and the clomid and arimidex will get you as close (via 2 different routes) to homeostasis as possible. Repeat-- We are not advocating that a newbie run out and start injecting himself with 2 grams of testosterone per week in an attempt to gain as much size as possible? Let me quantify what we are trying to say. At some point, 2 grams a week of testosterone may become a necessity as you reach the upper limits of size your body will grow on bodybuilding drugs. Just as we all have a natural limit to how big we can get naturally, we also have a limit to how big we can get using performance enhancing drugs. You look at bodybuilders like Ruhl, Yates, or Coleman and you’re seeing men who have virtually maxed out their ability to add more muscle. Did Dorian’s physique change noticeably from year to year during his last several Olympias? Has Coleman’s? Sure, perhaps they come in a little tighter, Coleman may fluctuate 10 lbs in bodyweight from year to year, but realistically, these guys reached their genetic limit to add muscle long ago. Now the massive amounts of drugs they take are simply to maintain the incredible amounts of LBM they have accrued over years of training, eating, and juicing. And this article isn’t being written for the Yates, Colemans, or Ruhls of the bodybuilding world, I seriously doubt they’re coming to a web site board for advice. This article is written for you, the aspiring bodybuilder, someone who wants to gain as much muscle as quickly as possible but doesn’t know how.
Let’s say you’re an aspiring bodybuilder with good genetics and want to start your first cycle. If you start out at 2000 mg of test a week with other assorted steroids, where are you going to go from there when you eventually stop growing. You should seek to start with as low of an effective dose as possible and work your way up, always bearing in mind that your cycle is probably the last reason why you’re not growing. You show me a 180 lb bodybuilder that’s not growing on 750 mg of test a week and 50 mg of Methandrostenolone per day and I’ll show you someone who isn’t eating or training correctly unless he’s 4’11”. A good starting dose for a newbie is in the range of 750-800 mg of testosterone per week, stacked with another steroid like methandrostenolone (50 mg/day in divided doses), trenbolone acetate (75 mg ED), or even an old standby like deca (600 mg/week). Use of an anti-aromatase like Arimidex is a must. As Dogg advocates, steroid cycles are times during which your body must be pushed to its limits. All too often you’ll see so-called bodybuilders (bodybuilders in their own mind really) begin a cycle and maintain the same kind of eating and training habits they adhered to pre-cycle. Will they gain muscle? Most definitely, several double-blind medical studies have proven that moderate dosages of testosterone will add small amounts of LBM and cause a slight decrease in body fat without any change in diet or exercise programs. But then again, that’s not really bodybuilding now is it? Bodybuilding is an attempt to build yourself up to what you consider to be a physical ideal, and for more readers than not, that means brutally huge size.
Brutally huge size is the result of two primary actions 1) brutal workouts and 2) a brutal eating schedule. Steroids assist in both of these endeavors, allowing you to train harder in the gym and increasing appetite so one can consume more food. There is also a limit to how much of this the psyche and body can take, regardless of how tough you are mentally or how genetically gifted you may be. You’re seeing more and more top bodybuilding gurus advocate training cycles in this fashion, Dogg advocates 4 week training cycles, Trevor Smith from Nuclear advocates 6 week, and some others advocate 8 week cycles. Doggs 4 week training cycle involves cruising for 2 weeks after the initial four weeks (as discussed above) to
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get the HPTA back in check and then back on full bore again. You can either keep doing that indefinitely or stop the 4+2 regimen whenever you deem in necessary. Regardless of whether it’s 4+4, 6, or 8 weeks, at some point your body needs a break when you’re doing everything right in and out of the gym. One must temper their newfound strength and appetite with the wisdom to apply them properly, we’re certainly not advocating that one lift weights to the point of injury or that an endomorph stuff themselves with everything in sight.
Both Dogg and I are major advocates of stretching prior to working out and MORE IMPORTANTLY STRETCHING TO THE POINT OF THRESHOLDS AFTER working out. I happily take my hat off to Dogg and give credit where credit is due, the guy is an amazing trainer.He believes like Jon Parillo did, that "extreme stretching" directly after a bodypart is trained is key for recuperation, recovery, and a primer for growth via fascial stretching and maybe even hyperplasia (more on that in a future article). He’s outlined a series of stretches that he finds extremely effective at both avoiding injuries and adding size during cycles. These includes the weights he uses, which readers will obviously have to adjust (more than likely down) according to their own strength levels. Every extreme stretch is done right after that body part has been trained.
Chest Flat bench 90lb dumbbells chest high--lungs full of air--first 10 seconds drop down into deepest stretch and then next 50 seconds really push the stretch (this really, really hurts) but do it faithfully and come back and post on the message board in 4 weeks and tell me if your chest isn't much fuller and rounder Triceps Seated on a flat bench-my back up against the barbell---75lb dumbbell in my hand behind my head (like in an overhead dumbbell extension)--sink dumbbell down into position for the first 10 seconds and then an agonizing 50 seconds slightly leaning back and pushing the dumbbell down with the back of my head
Shoulders This one is tough to describe--put barbell in squat rack shoulder height--face away from it and reach back and grab it palms up (hands on bottom of bar)---walk yourself outward until you are on your heels and the stretch gets painful--then roll your shoulders downward and hold for 60 seconds
Biceps Just like the above position but hold barbell palms down now (hands on top of bar)--sink down in a squatting position first and if you can hack it into a kneeling position and then if you can hack that sink your butt down--60 seconds--I cannot make it 60 seconds-- I get to about 45—it’s too painful--if you can make it 60 seconds you are either inhuman or you need to raise the bar up another rung
Back Honestly for about 3 years my training partner and I would hang a 100lb dumbbell from our waist and hung on the widest chinup bar (with wrist straps) to see who could get closest to 3 minutes--I never made it--I think 2 minutes 27 seconds was my record--but my back width is by far my best body part--I pull on a doorknob or stationary equipment with a rounded back now and it’s way too hard too explain here--just try it and get your feel for it
Hamstrings Either leg up on a high barbell holding my toe and trying to force my leg straight with my free hand for an excruciating painful 60 seconds.
Quads Facing a barbell in a power rack about hip high --grip it and simultaneously sink down and throw your knees under the barbell and do a sissy squat underneath it while going up on your toes. Then straighten your arms and lean as far back as you can---60 seconds and if this one doesn't make you hate my guts and bring tears to your eyes nothing will---do this one faithfully and tell me in 4 weeks if your quads don’t look a lot different than they used to.
CalvesMy weak body part that I couldn’t get up too par until 2 years ago when I finally thought it out and figured out how to make them grow (with only one set twice a week too). I don’t need to stretch calves after because when I do calves I explode on the positive and take 5 seconds to get back to full stretch and then 15 seconds at the very bottom "one one thousand, two one thousand, three one thousand etc" --15 seconds stretching at the bottom thinking and trying to flex my toes toward my shin--it is absolutely unbearable and you will most likely be shaking and want to give up at about 7 reps (I always go for 12reps with maximum weights)--do this on a hack squat or a leg press--my calves have finally taken off due to this and caught up to the rest of me thank God.
If you doubt the extra muscle growth possible with stretching I urge you to research hyperplasia (and the bird wing stretching protocols) where time X stretch X weight induced incredible hyperplasia. Our stretching is done under much lower time periods but fascial stretching and the possibility of induced hyperplasia cant be ignored. I’ve had too many people write me or tell me in person that the "extreme stretching" has dramatically changed their physique to ever doubt its virtues. At this point, you may be asking yourself, why the title Cycling for Pennies? As future articles in this series will detail, success in this sport is more about dedication, willpower, knowledge, and application than it is incredibly expensive drug cycles. Yes, it cannot be denied that as one climbs the rungs of bodybuilding success that more and more expensive compounds must be used to level the playing field (most notably GH), but GH is a drug best utilized by those who’ve already made significant progress in the sport. For the beginning or intermediate level bodybuilder, the actual expense of the drugs should be minimal.
Posted by: Massive G on Dec. 07 2003,19:25 continued:Bodybuilding as a whole is extreme and you must go to extreme lengths to be an out of the ordinary bodybuilder in this activity. The human body in no way wants to be 270 to 330 lbs of extreme muscularity. It wants to be a comfortable 155 to 180 lbs and will do a lot to keep a person at that homeostasis level. Jon Parillo was on the right track years ago when he was trying to make bodybuilders into food processing factories. It takes extreme amounts of food (protein), extremely heavy weights, sometimes extreme supplementation, (the choice) of extreme drugs, and other extreme situations to take a person who by evolution and genetics should be 180 pounds and make him into a hardcore 3 hundred pounds. OK first I have to go over some principles I believe in regarding training and I’ll hit more on training details later on.a) I believe he who makes the greatest strength gains (in a controlled fashion) as a bodybuilder, makes the greatest muscle gains. Note: I said strength gains--everyone knows someone naturally strong who can bench 400 yet isn't that big. Going from a beginning 375 bench to 400 isn't that great of a strength gain and won’t result in much of a muscle gain. But if I show you someone who went from 150 to 400 on a bench press, that guy will have about 2.5 inches more of muscle thickness on his pecs. That is an incredible strength gain and will equal out into an incredible muscle gain.
Ninety-nine percent of bodybuilders are brainwashed that they must go for a blood pump and are striving for that effect--(go up and down on your calves 500 times and tell me if your calves got any bigger). And those same 99% in a gym stay the same year after year. It's because they have no plan, they go in, get a pump and leave. They give the body no reason to change. Powerbodybuilders and powerlifters plan to continually get stronger and stronger on key movements. The body protects itself from ever increasing loads by getting muscularly bigger=adaption. I’M going to repeat this and hammer it home because of its importance: THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE GREATEST STRENGTH GAINS OVER TIME WILL MAKE THE GREATEST SIZE GAINS OVER TIME ACCORDING TO THEIR GENETIC POTENTIAL.
If you reading this never get anywhere close to your ultimate strength levels (AT WHATEVER REP RANGE) you will never get to your utmost level of potential size. b) I haven't seen a guy who can squat 500 for 20 reps, bench press 500 for 15 and deadlift 500 for 15 who was small yet ---but I have seen a lot and I mean a lot of people in the gym and on these Internet forums that are a buck 65 or two and change, shouting that you don't have to lift heavy to get big (in rare cases you will see a naturally strong powerlifter who has to curb calories to stay in a weight class and that is the reason he doesn't get bigger). c) Training is all about adaption. In simple terms you lift a weight and your muscle has one of 2 choices, either tear completely under the load (which is incredibly rare and what we don't want) or the muscle lifts the weight and protects itself by remodeling and getting bigger to protect itself against the load (next time).
If the weight gets heavier, the muscle has to again remodel and get bigger again to handle it. You can superset, superslow, giant set, pre exhaust all day long but the infinite adaption is load---meaning heavier and heavier weights is the only infinite thing you can do in your training. Intensity is finite. Volume is finite (or infinite if you want to do 9000 sets per bodypart)...everything else is finite. The Load is infinite and heavier and heavier weights used (I DON'T GIVE A CRAP WHAT SOME BUCK 58 POUND WRITER FROM FLEX MAGAZINE SAYS) will make the biggest bodybuilder (add high protein, glutamine and drugs to the mix and you have one large person). d) The largest pro bodybuilders in the last 10 years (outside of Paul Dillett who is a genetic alien and I think could grow off of mowing lawns) are also the very strongest (Kovacs, Prince, Coleman, Yates, Francois, Nasser (although he trains lighter now). For anyone who argues that they have seen so and so pro bodybuilder and he trains light---well I will bet you he isn't gaining rapid size anymore and that his greatest size increases were when he was training shit heavy going for his pro card. Of course he will convince himself and others that he is "making the best gains of his career" though because no one likes to think what they are presently doing isn't working and they are running in place.
Sadly heavy drug use can make up for a lot of training fallacies and leave people still uninformed on how they became massive. Ronnie Coleman is definitely in an elite class of muscle building genetically yet do you see him doing isolation exercises with light weights to be
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the most massive bodybuilder on this planet? NOPE! Ever see his video? 805 deadlifts for 2 reps, 765 for 6 reps deads, front squats with 600LBS for 6, 200LB dumbbells being thrown all over the place for chest, military presses 315 for 12 and a double with 405. I believe Coleman was clean or close to it when he was powerlifting and when he was an amateur bodybuilder. He won the Natural Team Universe and got his pro card at roughly 220-230LBS shredded to the bone and if that was natural or close to it--that's about 270LBS offseason and would be a huge natural bodybuilder. Since that time he has hooked up with Chad Nichols and blasted (with juice) up to his current 265LBS contest weight and 320LBS offseason. He trains heavier now than he ever did! The man has used extremely heavy weights and powerlifting fundamentals (even with his superior genetics for muscle size) to become the most impressive bodybuilder walking the globe.
Well, if the man with some of the best genetics to build muscle out there is using back breaking weights trying to get bigger isn't that more of a reason the mere mortals of genetics in this sport should maybe take note? There are other pros out there with genetics on par with Coleman and using the same amount of drugs yet aren't pushing the limits with poundage's in training as does Coleman. You figure it out then, why is he absolutely crushing everyone onstage by outmuscling them if all things besides training are equal? e) Who is the last incredibly massive bodybuilder you have seen (juice or not) who couldn't incline 405, squat 550, deadlift 550. I am talking freak-massive ALA Dorian, Kovacs, Francois, etc.....there are slew of guys in gyms using mega amounts of steroids on par with pros who are no where close to a pro's size, some with mediocre genetics, yet some with superb genetics.
But the pro's using weights that are up there in the stratosphere are by and large the most freakish. These are pros we are talking about, who all have superior genetics for muscle accumulation. Do you think Yates, Francois, Cormier etc all just had natural genetics for incredible strength, not ever having to work for it? Jean Paul Guilliame is the only clean professional bodybuilder I ever trusted to be truly natural. The man is a smaller pro training without the juice yet trains incredibly heavy for his size--405LB squats rock bottom for up to 20 reps and his wheels are incredible. Flex Wheeler and Cris Cormier are the same height, the drugs are equal, Flex trains light, Cormier trains heavy. Cormier outweighs Wheeler onstage by 30LBS! Genetically, Wheeler is unsurpassed in pro bodybuilding, I think you already know the answer to this one--case closed. I usually don't like to use pro bodybuilders for examples but in these cases, my points are proven.
For those training clean-if you got guys doing massive amounts of steroids in gyms around America, who are not putting on appreciable size because they train with light weights, what in your right mind could make you think you will gain appreciable amounts of muscle mass as a natural training light?!?! One million people in the United States have admitted to using steroids--1 million!!! That is one out of every 300 people walking around. How many big people do you see out there? Not many. It sure isn't close to 1 million---- because 98% of bodybuilders have no clue what needs to be done training and eating wise to become elite. f) Please think of the times when you made the best size gains---the first time is in the first 2 years of lifting WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR BEST STRENGTH GAINS TOO! Then things start to slow down.. What's the next time?--You start using steroids and boom what happens? YOUR TRAINING WEIGHTS GO FLYING UP. And you get dramatically bigger! (I’M taking into effect protein assimilation, recovery etc also). The greatest strength gains you make will result in also the most rapid size gains (if you’re taking in the protein requirements of a 12 year old girl scout then you can discount yourself from the above group). g)
I believe in Powerbuilding not bodybuilding--using techniques that build the most strength gains in the fastest time possible while using the most effective exercises for that person. I am positive I could take 2 twins--have the first one do his own thing training wise, but using the same drugs, supplements and nutrition as the twin I train......come back a year later and the twin I trained would have 25LBS more muscle. h) I've seen powerlifters (who catch a lot of guff from bodybuilders for being "fat") diet down and come in and destroy bodybuilders in bodybuilding shows time and time again. Over and over.
Powerlifters and Powerbodybuilders are by far the thickest guys onstage when and if they decide to enter bodybuilding shows.i) Heavy is relative--it doesn't mean 3 reps --- it means as heavy as you can go on that exercise no matter if it is 5 reps or 50 reps. I personally like to do hack squats for 20 reps but I use about 6 plates on each side rock bottom--that's as heavy as I can go on that exercise for 20 reps. I could do sets of 6 and probably use maybe 8 or 9 plates a side but my legs (and most people I train) grow best from heavy and 8-50 reps. The day you can squat 400LBS for 20 deep reps will be the day you are no longer complaining about your leg size. j) No matter what the method someone uses to gain super strength gains-it’s imperative they do so.
Again if you put someone out on a deserted island with 135LBS of weights he can superset, giant set, high rep, superslow etc etc squats, deadlifts and benches to his hearts delight...the sad story is his gains will quickly come to a halt because his limiting factor is the amount of strength he will gain. He has 135LBS to work with. You take that same guy on a deserted island and give him squats deadlifts, and benches and an unlimited weight supply that he constantly pushes, in 5 years I'll show you a big Gilligan.k) I think the biggest fallacy in bodybuilding is "changing up" "keeping the body off balance"--you can keep the body off balance by always using techniques or methods that give your body a reason to get bigger=strength. If you don't write down your weights and every time you enter the gym you go by feel and do a different workout (like 98% of the gym members who never change do now) what has that done? Lets say Mr. Hypothetical gym member does 235 for 9 on the bench press this week, "tries to keep his body guessing" by doing 80LBS for 13 on flyes next week, 205 for 11 on inclines the week after, 245 on hammer press for 12 the week after that --and so on and so on---there is only a limited number of exercises you can do. Two months later when he does bench presses again and does 235 for 8 or 9 has he gained anything? Absolutely NOT! Four months later he does hammer presses for 245 for 11 (again) do you think he has given his body any reason to change? Take 2 twins and have one do a max squat for 20 reps and the other twin giant set 4 leg exercises with the same weight. All year long have the first twin blast away until he brings his squat with 20 reps from 185LBS to 400LBS. Have the second twin giant set four exercises every workout with the same weight he used in his first workout all year long. Believe me he is always going to be sore and he will be shocking the body every time but the sad truth is he will not gain shit after about the third leg workout because the load didn't change. There is no reason for his legs to grow in size due to the strength demand presented. The first twin who can now squat 400 for 20 is going to have some incredible wheels. l) I use a certain method in my training because in my opinion it is the utmost method to rapidly gain strength. More on that later. Others might like a different method, that's up to them, doesn't matter as long as they are rapidly gaining strength.
If you’re gaining appreciable strength on an exercise with a certain method I think the ABSOLUTELY WORSE THING YOU CAN DO is to change up right then. Take that exercise and method to its strength limit and when you get there, then change to a different exercise and get strong as hell on that exercise too.m) For the next few months take note of the people you see in the gym that never change. They will be the ones using the same weight time after time on exercises whenever they are in the gym. These are the people who use 135, 185, 225 on the bench every time its chest day. Your best friends in the gym are the 2.5LB plates--your very best buds!!! You put those 2.5LB plates on that bar every time you bench press for 52 weeks and now your bench is 250LBS more at the end of the year! That would equal out to another inch to inch + half thickness on your chest. Can it be done? Probably not at that rate but TRYING TO DO IT will get you a lot bigger than doing what 98% of the people in the gym do. Unless you are gifted genetically to build muscle at a dizzying rate (most people aren't), the largest people in your gym will also be the ones heaving up the heaviest weights. Do you think they started out that way? No, they were probably 175 lb guys who bulldozed their way up to that level.
A perfect example are male strippers. These guys use a boatload of drugs on par with hardcore competitive bodybuilders. After an initial phase where they grow off of steroids like everyone else--their growth stops (like forever). Why? Because they aren't eating 500 grams of protein a day and don't fight and claw their way to 500LB bench presses and 700LB squats and deadlifts. They stay on the drugs for years and years while stripping but don't go beyond that 200 to 220LB range. So much for juice being the total equalizer. I don't know why pseudo experts try to make training such an elite science when in actuality it’s pretty cut and dry. If you keep a training log and note your weights used for the next 5 years and find they are still the same you will pretty much look "still the same" in 5 years. If you double all your poundage's in the next five years in everything, your going to be one thick person .....If someone ever took a ratio of people who don't make gains to people who do, it would be pitiful. I would venture to say that 95% of people in gyms across this country aren't gaining muscle and are wasting their time.
The absolutely best advice I could ever give a guy starting out lifting is "go train with an established powerlifter" and learn all the principles he trains with. There would be a lot more happy bodybuilders out there.So now you guys know I believe in the heaviest training possible (safely)---I think I hammered that
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home, I needed to do that because so many bodybuilders are lost on how to get from A to Z.....it’s all part of my quest to make the biggest heavy slag iron lifting, high protein eating, stretching and recuperating massive bodybuilders I can.-- till next time-DOGG
Posted by: Massive G on Dec. 07 2003,19:26 continued:Now to get into specifics regarding training. Stay with me here. You are only doing one exercise per muscle group per day. You are doing your first favorite exercise for chest on day one, you're doing your second favorite exercise for chest the next time chest training rolls around and then your third favorite exercise for chest the time after that when chest training rolls around. Then you repeat the entire sequence again. You're doing the same exercises you would be doing anyway in a 7-14 days time and training chest 3 times in that same period with minimal sets so you can recover. You cannot do a 3-5 exercise, 10-20 set chest workout and recover to train chest again 3-4 days later. It's absolutely impossible!! But you can come in and do 2-5 warmup sets up to your heaviest set and then do ONE working set (either straight set or rest paused) all out on that exercise then recover and grow and be ready again 3-4 days later. This kind of training will have you growing as fast as humanly possible. Again the simple equation is "the most times per year you can train a body part incredibly heavy, with major strength gains, and recover will equal out to the fastest accumulation of muscle mass possible". Why don't most pros do this kind of training? Why don't you?!?! Because every form of training has been taught to someone, passed down from the magazines for decades with no thought out rhyme or reasons.
Every form of modern day training stems from what the guys in the 60's and Arnold was doing. Finally Yates and some others got people thinking about what truly is working when it comes to training. If you think about it-it's ridiculous some of these recommended routines in the magazines. Most training comes from peoples egos. People are so driven and desperate to get big that they believe they MUST do this and MUST do that every workout. Thirty sets here, with multiple exercises to hit every angle there. You know what that does? It dramatically cuts into your recovery ability (never mind amino acid pools and glycogen stores) so you cannot train that body part again in a couple days time. That defeats the purpose of rapid accumulation of muscle mass. I'll state this as a matter of fact because I believe it's true. I believe if you, the person reading this, trained the way I am recommending, you will be 20-40lbs of muscle larger in 3 years than if you kept training the way you are presently training. If that offends you or seems ballsy to state-SO BE IT!!! I've done enough studying and real life experimentation on aspiring bodybuilders to state that. To start-Three key exercises are picked for each body part. USING ONLY ONE OF THOSE EXERCISES PER WORKOUT you rotate these in order and take that exercise to it's ultimate strength limit (where at that certain point you change the exercise to a new one and get brutally strong on that new movement too).
That can happen in 4 weeks or that can happen 2 years later but it will happen some time (You cannot continually gain strength to where you are eventually bench pressing 905 for reps obviously) Sometime later when you come back to that original exercise you will start slightly lower than your previous high and then soar past it without fail. Some principles I believe in: A) I believe rest pausing is the most productive way of training ever. I've never seen a way to faster strength gains than what comes from rest pausing. I'll use an incline smith bench with a hypothetical weight to show you my recommended way of rest pausing. Warmups would be 135x12, 185x10, 250x 6, 315x4 (none of these are taxing--they are just getting me warmed up for my all out rest pause set) MAIN REST PAUSE SET-375x8 reps (total failure) rack the weight, then 15 deep breathes and 375x 2 to 4 reps (total failure) rack the weight, then 15 deep breathes and 375x 1 to 2 reps. I personally do a static right after that but I'll explain that later. Remember every time you go to failure you always finish on the negative portion and have your training partner help you or rack the weight yourself. To explain further on my first rest pause above I struggled with every iota of my strength to get that 8th rep up. At that point instead of racking the weight up top I brought the weight down to my chest again slowly (6 seconds) and had my training partner quickly help me lift the weight back up to the top to rack it. That "always finishing on the negative rep" will accrue more cellular damage over time and allow for even greater gains. B) Every exercise is done with a controlled but explosive positive and a true 6-8 second negative phase.
The science is there just read it. Almost every study states an explosive positive motion is the priming phase and the negative portion of an exercise should be done controlled and slowly. I have the mindset that I hope you guys develop. I try so hard to get the weight up only for the sole reason I can lower it slowly to cause eccentric phase cellular damage. C) Extreme Stretching: it must be done, it's imperative. It stretches fascia and helps recovery immensely. It will dramatically change your physique in a short amount of time if done right, trust me on that. I hit on it in the first article of this series.
OK you guys have to use some deductive reasoning here. If I do a 375 or so LB smith incline press rest paused for 10-15 reps with statics on Monday morning (which is the time of day I lift) by that same Monday night, 12 hours later I am viscously sore. By Tuesday morning I am still pretty sore but to a lesser degree. By Tuesday night I have very little soreness. By Wednesday morning I have absolutely no soreness and Wednesday night the same, so I could probably train chest again on Thursday no problem but I currently wait till Friday and train chest again. If your training chest on Monday and on Thursday your still pretty sore, a couple things are happening--either you're training with more volume than I recommend, or you're not extreme stretching (as recommended in my first article for AE), or more likely your recovery ability is not your greatest asset. If the last one is true you are going to have to take note of that and broaden the workout days between bodyparts hit.
Most of you reading this (90%) will be able to go the Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Monday again route hitting bodyparts twice in 8 days. A chosen few might be able to go Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday especially if they really work their extreme stretching and get the proper rest. That's very rare though that someone can recover that quickly even from one working set per bodypart. My recommendations are to start out Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Monday first and gauge how that goes. I am currently seeing that most people go best with that protocol. I know some of you want to train a bodypart as many times as possible in a weeks time, hell I would love to be able to train a bodypart 4 times a week and grow but it can't be done.
So this is something I can't help you on.....you need to check yourself and find out where you are recovering and then work with that. I can do a 20 plate leg press for reps and be sore for the next day and a half and feel fresh and ready to go on my next leg day. High dose glutamine has been a godsend to my recovery ability as has extreme stretching. My training weights continue to rocket upward on everything. What I cannot do is 3 leg exercises for multiple sets in a workout session and recover 3-4 days later to do legs again. I think you're begging for injury if you are still very, very sore the next time a body part comes up. Example Day one First exercise smith incline presses (I'll use the weights I use for example) 135 for warmup for 12185 for 8 warmup250 for 6 warmup315 for 4 warmupThen all out with 375 for 8 reps to total absolute failure (then 12-15 deep breaths) 375 for 2-4 reps to total absolute failure (then 12-15 deep breaths) 375 for 1-3 reps to absolute total failure (then a 20-30 second static hold) DONE!-that's it 375lbs for 8+4+3= 375 for 15 reps rest paused..... next week I go for 385 (again rest paused)-----directly after that rest pause set I go to extreme stretching flyes as described earlier and then that's it for chest and on to shoulders, triceps and back. The next time I come in to do chest I would do hammer flat presses in the same rest paused manner (and then extreme stretching again)---the time after that I come in to do chest I would do my third favorite exercise rest paused/stretched and then the cycle repeats.
In simple terms I am using techniques with extreme high intensity(rest pause) which I feel make a persons strength go up as quickly as possible + low volume so I can (recover) as quickly as possible with as many growth phases (damage/remodel/recover) I can do in a years time.Some exercises involving legs and some back rowing exercises don't allow themselves to rest pause too well. A sample couple of days for me would be the following (IM not including warmup sets--just working sets).
Workout 1 CHEST: smith incline 375 x 15 reps rest pause (RP) and a 30 second static rep at the end (then stretches)SHOULDERS: front smith press-330 x 13 RP and 30 second static (then stretches)TRICEPS: reverse grip bench press 315 for 15-20 reps RP-no static (then stretches)BACK WIDTH: rear pulldowns to back of head 300 x 18 RP (20 second static at end) BACK THICKNESS: floor deadlifts straight set of 8-20 reps (then stretches for back)The information below is from Peter O'Hanrahan's "Body Types, Part 1". It is a brief and incomplete description of the mesomorph's temperament.
Workout 2 BICEPS: preacher bench barbell curl RP for 14 reps and 30 second staticFOREARMS: hammer curls straight set for 15 reps (then stretches for biceps)CALVES: on hack squat straight set for 12 reps but with a 20 second negative phase HAMSTRINGS: Cybex hamstring press (pressing with heels up top) RP for 20 reps QUADS: hack squat straight set of 6 plates each side for 20 reps (of course after warming up) Then stretches for quads and hams. The absolutely most important thing of any of this is I write down all weights and reps done from the working set on a notepad. So every time I go into the gym I have to continually look back and beat the previous times reps/weight or both. If I can't or I don't beat it, no matter if I love doing
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The book Dante's Inferno has less words that your post above
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the exercise or not, I have to change to a new exercise. Believe me this adds a grave seriousness, a clutch performance or imperativeness to a workout! I have exercises I love to do and knowing I will lose them if I don't beat the previous stats sucks! But there is a method to this madness because when you get to that sticking point of strength (AND YOU WILL, THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN HACK SQUAT UP TO 50 PLATES A SIDE) that is when your muscle=strength gains will stop. At that point you must turn to a different exercise and then get brutally strong on that one. Then someday you will peak out on that one too. You can always come back to that loved exercise in the future and you'll start somewhat lower and build up to a peak again--and trust me that peak will be far more than the previous one.
Some exercises you'll stay with and gain strength at for almost up to a year and some exercises you'll be at the limit in 4 weeks and lose them but its all in the plan. For example-- I love reverse grip bench presses, knowing that I have to beat 315 for 17 reps RP or else I have to change to maybe dips next time puts a serious sense of urgency into workouts. I either have to beat it by doing something to the effect of 320 for 15 RP or if I stick with 315, I have to get at least 19 reps RP or so. If I'm feeling crappy or having an off day I might give myself a little leeway and allow myself another go at it next time around but that's it. The notepad is your intensity level, how badly you want to keep doing an exercise will be how hard you push to beat the previous. Looking at that piece of paper knowing what you have to do to beat it will bring out the best in you.
Again, it's all in the plan to make you the strongest bodybuilder possible which will equal out into the biggest bodybuilder possible. I find myself irritated now when people look at me and say "genetics" or something to that effect--its amazing to me that at 19 I was 6 foot and 137lbs (yes 137) and eating 6 meals a day and people would chuckle at me the stickboy trying to be a bodybuilder. I seriously did not miss a meal for my first 3 and a half years, I would set my alarm at 2am and wake up and eat scrambled eggs and pancakes if I missed a meal during the day. Two years later I looked "normal" at 196lbs or so. Two years just to look like a normal person! I kept bombing away, eating and not taking no as an answer and now I am up at 300lbs and people say "you must have always been big" and genetics. That's tough for me to hear thinking how psyched I was to weigh more than 170 at one point. I've only trained one true mesomorph.
Mesomorphs don't need trainers usually. I train ectomorphs and endomorphs. The last 3 people I've trained have been a pudgy Mexican who was 172 (now 258lbs hard)--a skinny marine, and a guy stuck at 188lbs for many years (now 260). These people all thought the same thing seeing how my workouts were set up-"am I doing enough?"--If you can show someone how to train so hard that they realize they were holding back tremendously during their 8-20 set workouts, that's half the battle. The other half is making them realize how impossible it is to do 8-20 sets per bodypart if you truly, truly train balls to the wall hard. Personally, if I do a 20 rep hack squat with slag iron heavy weights....at 10 reps I am seriously doubting I am going to make it---at 14 reps IM seeing colors---at 17 reps IM asking God for help--and the last 3 reps are life, death, or rigor mortis---I know for a fact that there is no way in hell I could do another 4-5 sets of hacks like that. I gave everything I had right there on that set. If I can do another 4-5 sets like that I'm cruising at 70% at the most. If all you get out of my articles is the mindset of heavy weights, low volume, stretching, and frequency of body parts trained-I would be very happy because then I would have you on the right path to get you where you want to be.
Dogg is presently training people online with daily emails to them and an A to Z approach with diet supplementation training and recovery. He is expensive but he wants to be because he doesn't want to train a lot of people at once (Four at once is his limit). His first client has been lifting for 3 years with limited success but in 7 weeks with Dogg has gone from 183lbs at 7.5% bodyfat to 205lbs at 7.7% bodyfat. At the end of 10 weeks he should be around 216lbs or so and onward.
Dogg is also online training 2 superheavyweight national competitors who came to him to put on pro size muscle. They will make an even bigger splash than what they already have accomplished. His flat fee is 400 dollars for everything designed (diet, training, supplementation) and then constant emails to you for at least 2 months monitoring and adjusting your progress. He does a strict interview first to see if you have the makeup and mindset of the person he wants to train. He turns away people who he doesn't believe will go at it or listen to him 100 percent. If 400 dollars equals out to the 40-60lbs of muscle Dogg puts on people repeatedly to you-- then you can contact him at _
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Great. I'll stay in the next 300 years and read this paragraph hating shit ;D
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The original was posted on Animals board. God that was along time ago.
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ok i cleaned up the paragraphs a bit. Great stuff here.
There is still a bigger version out there, where dante talks about his diet (including one meal a day at McDonalds for Big Macs).
If anyone has it, please share!
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Bout 12 years ago I was training a friend of mine for his first show. He was poor. :'( So, he took bout 2 grams of test a week. Closer to the show he took some dbol and that was it!! No anti E's but would have if he could have afforded it. Anyway, he won the lightweights and was the hardest guy in the show. Everyone kept asking him what kind of stuff he was on. Funny thing is no one asked about his diet. This kid had no ideas about all these different exotic drugs they thought he may have been using. It really screwed with his head cause he kept asking me about what he thought was these secret drugs. He beat all these guys and still wouldn't believe me. ;D
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fuck me. thats alot of words
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ok i cleaned up the paragraphs a bit. Great stuff here.
There is still a bigger version out there, where dante talks about his diet (including one meal a day at McDonalds for Big Macs).
If anyone has it, please share!
I would never post it on this board, that would be like giving a hand grenade to a 5 year old.
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good post.lots of common sense there about drugs,training etc.
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good post.lots of common sense there about drugs,training etc.
meltdown.
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Great Post..... DCT
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240 or bust I hate to break it to you, but thats not the complete Dante Pennies Article, its not even remotely close. That above is a cut and paste of a cut and paste. And alot of that isnt even me talking, its Jason Meullar from AE. The original Pennies article is about 130 board pages long in the first part of it and (I cant remember how long) in the second part of it. This above would be equivalent to the first couple paragraphs on the first page (of 130) of that thread. I have it saved in a zip file but its 9 years old, who wants to read that now? Its old news.
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I'm proud to brag about meeting Dante and seeing him once in a while at the gym performing what he preaches.
A bodybuilding legend. Plain and Simple.
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240 or bust I hate to break it to you, but thats not the complete Dante Pennies Article, its not even remotely close. That above is a cut and paste of a cut and paste. And alot of that isnt even me talking, its Jason Meullar from AE. The original Pennies article is about 130 board pages long in the first part of it and (I cant remember how long) in the second part of it. This above would be equivalent to the first couple paragraphs on the first page (of 130) of that thread. I have it saved in a zip file but its 9 years old, who wants to read that now? Its old news.
I'd read it in a minute man!
I had an older version where you talked about the big macs... very good stuff. kicking myself that i cannot find it.
Very good stuff there. When are you going to write a boook so we can buy it?
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I'm proud to brag about meeting Dante and seeing him once in a while at the gym performing what he preaches.
A bodybuilding legend. Plain and Simple.
Amen Alex. D doesn't like to toot his own horn, but he knows he's da shit. ;)
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240 or bust I hate to break it to you, but thats not the complete Dante Pennies Article, its not even remotely close. That above is a cut and paste of a cut and paste. And alot of that isnt even me talking, its Jason Meullar from AE. The original Pennies article is about 130 board pages long in the first part of it and (I cant remember how long) in the second part of it. This above would be equivalent to the first couple paragraphs on the first page (of 130) of that thread. I have it saved in a zip file but its 9 years old, who wants to read that now? Its old news.
shit, I'd read it...why not? there's a ton of knowledge in this type of stuff, even if it is not what you currently preach it's still good info.
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I'm proud to brag about meeting Dante and seeing him once in a while at the gym performing what he preaches.
A bodybuilding legend. Plain and Simple.
Good to meet you too Alex, I hope your back is alot better. You were really hurting with a lower back disk injury that day....hope thats ok now.
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i've had disagreements with Dante on stuff but he's ABSOLUTELY DEAD ON TARGET with his training and food theories, no doubt about it.
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240 or bust I hate to break it to you, but thats not the complete Dante Pennies Article, its not even remotely close. That above is a cut and paste of a cut and paste. And alot of that isnt even me talking, its Jason Meullar from AE. The original Pennies article is about 130 board pages long in the first part of it and (I cant remember how long) in the second part of it. This above would be equivalent to the first couple paragraphs on the first page (of 130) of that thread. I have it saved in a zip file but its 9 years old, who wants to read that now? Its old news.
post it up dante, id like to read it
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i've had disagreements with Dante on stuff but he's ABSOLUTELY DEAD ON TARGET with his training and food theories, no doubt about it.
yes following his advice we'll all end up looking like you in no time, no doubt about it.
great stuff.
dead on target etc etc
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yes following his advice we'll all end up looking like you in no time, no doubt about it.
great stuff.
dead on target etc etc
well you could shut me up by posting a picture of yourself looking better than me. :D
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The stretching is a waste IMO.
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well you could shut me up by posting a picture of yourself looking better than me. :D
but since you believe dantes stuff is pure gold i assume you follow it so you can be the poster child of his training and diet method
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but since you believe dantes stuff is pure gold i assume you follow it so you can be the poster child of his training and diet method
come on sweetie just post one picture of yourself, show us all the results of the 25 set per workout and two workouts a day program has given you. :-*
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come on sweetie just post one picture of yourself, show us all the results of the 25 set per workout and two workouts a day program has given you. :-*
as long as i dont end up looking anything like you im doing alright
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as long as i dont end up looking anything like you im doing alright
hahahahhahaa, just what i thought, another coward. :D
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hahahahhahaa, just what i thought, another coward. :D
Pretty embarrassing that after 25,000+ posts and 160 days logged in here, Bluto is still too cowardly to post a pic. Pretty much inadvertently admitting that he looks like shit, which we all knew anyway.
Keep on bragging about 20+ years cage fighting, 2 a day workouts and sleeping with 2 women over the course of 2 years, Blutskie! :D
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ok i read through some of that shit. stretching. forcefeeding calories and steroids. and they even talk about male strippers (!)
what a lot of junk.
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yes following his advice we'll all end up looking like you in no time, no doubt about it.
great stuff.
dead on target etc etc
or dorian yates, david henry, mark dugdale, mike mentzer, lee labrada....ect
his style of training works.
but thats not to say other styles of training dont work just as wel when done with the same dedication and intensit and protien intake.
i think they do.
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Pretty embarrassing that after 25,000+ posts and 160 days logged in here, Bluto is still too cowardly to post a pic. Pretty much inadvertently admitting that he looks like shit, which we all knew anyway.
Keep on bragging about 20+ years cage fighting, 2 a day workouts and sleeping with 2 women over the course of 2 years, Blutskie! :D
theres another "bluto" on different forums out there...and that guy is actually very well built... if thats the same guy as this bluto; i dont know.. i sent the guy a pm asking him if he was the same as the bluto on getbig and no response yet
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or dorian yates, david henry, mark dugdale, mike mentzer, lee labrada....ect
his style of training works.
but thats not to say other styles of training dont work just as wel when done with the same dedication and intensit and protien intake.
i think they do.
his style? last i checked mentzer, labrada, yates etc was around before he was
unless he can bring something new to the table he should shut up
if he did bring something new to the table - let me know what that was and ill comment it
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his style? last i checked mentzer, labrada, yates etc was around before he was
unless he can bring something new to the table he should shut up
if he did bring something new to the table - let me know what that was and ill comment it
they all use basically the same training style
it doesnt matter who came first
and yes dante did bring some new things to the high intensity table....the stretchign, the high protein intake/calorie intake (can you recall what mentzer recommended you eat...??? LOL), and plenty of other things.. like the way your rotate exercises and what not..
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theres another "bluto" on different forums out there...and that guy is actually very well built... if thats the same guy as this bluto; i dont know.. i sent the guy a pm asking him if he was the same as the bluto on getbig and no response yet
and you sent me a pm on getbig asking me if was the same and no response yet :D
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they all use basically the same training style
it doesnt matter who came first
and yes dante did bring some new things to the high intensity table....the stretchign, the high protein intake/calorie intake (can you recall what mentzer recommended you eat...??? LOL), and plenty of other things.. like the way your rotate exercises and what not..
so let's talk about the calories for example, how many calories would a giant like david henry eat per day? when someone like nasser at 300 pounds didnt eat much calories during his career
i wonder if the recommendation of high protein had anything to do with dantes association with that proteincompany that was all over his website or if that was just a coincidence
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240 or bust I hate to break it to you, but thats not the complete Dante Pennies Article, its not even remotely close. That above is a cut and paste of a cut and paste. And alot of that isnt even me talking, its Jason Meullar from AE. The original Pennies article is about 130 board pages long in the first part of it and (I cant remember how long) in the second part of it. This above would be equivalent to the first couple paragraphs on the first page (of 130) of that thread. I have it saved in a zip file but its 9 years old, who wants to read that now? Its old news.
old news meaning what? that its no longer valid? that things changed in the last 9 years?
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so let's talk about the calories for example, how many calories would a giant like david henry eat per day? when someone like nasser at 300 pounds didnt eat much calories during his career
i wonder if the recommendation of high protein had anything to do with dantes association with that proteincompany that was all over his website or if that was just a coincidence
alot of what dc originally posted was posted before he bought trueprotien so that didn't have anything to do with it back then.
Dante did introduce new concepts, you just choose to ignore them.
Rest pause done the DC way is way different than how dorian or arthur jones would have had you perform them, the concept of a widowmaker for select bodyparts, the stretching......tons of stuff.
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so let's talk about the calories for example, how many calories would a giant like david henry eat per day? when someone like nasser at 300 pounds didnt eat much calories during his career
i wonder if the recommendation of high protein had anything to do with dantes association with that proteincompany that was all over his website or if that was just a coincidence
well personally i amnot a huge fan of counting calories. i like to get as much protein as posible, and then eat carbs and fats accoridign to my activity level and/or goals (build muscle or burn fat)..
but a guy like david henery, carrying as much muscle as he does, he could probably eat as many calories as he wants and not get fat...simply cuz every night when he goes to sleep he has a burning furnace of muscle that will eat through any fat stored during the day
and dante is not a scammer
if you read his posts often he is a very nice guy and ive even seem him tell people tog o to other sites for their protein... just because someone cliamed what your claiming(hes all about money)... he has VRERY good prices on VERY good products.. i can understand bashin his trinain theories, if you disagree with them, but not bashing the man...cuz hes a good guy
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alot of what dc originally posted was posted before he bought trueprotien so that didn't have anything to do with it back then.
Dante did introduce new concepts, you just choose to ignore them.
Rest pause done the DC way is way different than how dorian or arthur jones would have had you perform them, the concept of a widowmaker for select bodyparts, the stretching......tons of stuff.
if you could pick one thing outta the ton of stuff that the mastermind dante brought to the world of bodybuilding and would be remembered for, what would it be? something that we all would benefit from tremendously if we incorporated it in our weekly training.
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if you could pick one thing outta the ton of stuff that the mastermind dante brought to the world of bodybuilding and would be remembered for, what would it be? something that we all would benefit from tremendously if we incorporated it in our weekly training.
eating as much protein as possible, training with intensity as if a gun was to your head, extreme stretching
i think all three of those are undebatable... at least, thats what i think
the whole "one working set, twice a week" thing i am not such a huge fan of.. i think doing high intensity for VOLUME, and allowing a week of recovery is better... but thats just me
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if you could pick one thing outta the ton of stuff that the mastermind dante brought to the world of bodybuilding and would be remembered for, what would it be? something that we all would benefit from tremendously if we incorporated it in our weekly training.
it's kinda hard to pick on aspect but if I had to I'd say the stronger a muscle is the bigger it will be, constantly pushing more weight in a given rep range....
I don't know if that makes sense without be typign a really long response.
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eating as much protein as possible, training with intensity as if a gun was to your head, extreme stretching
i think all three of those are undebatable... at least, thats what i think
the whole "one working set, twice a week" thing i am not such a huge fan of.. i think doing high intensity for VOLUME, and allowing a week of recovery is better... but thats just me
of course it's debatable, if eating a lot of protein doesnt make any difference it's a waste. which probodybuilders do extreme stretching? not many. and apparantely a shitload of people get great results even with far less intensity in their training.
but that's all in his 9 year old text in this thread, which he said was no use to post as it's old stuff.
if it's still true, then it shouldnt be a waste to post it. if he changed his opinion or added other discoveries since then, i like to hear them.
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any style of training will work if you got a) enough cals b) train enough c)proper drugs
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it's kinda hard to pick on aspect but if I had to I'd say the stronger a muscle is the bigger it will be, constantly pushing more weight in a given rep range....
I don't know if that makes sense without be typign a really long response.
very few pros are known for their strength, so apparantely strength isnt a big factor when it comes to building muscle mass or they all had to be really strong.
neither charless glass or milos, two fo the worlds most famous trainers advocate heavy poundages in training
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very few pros are known for their strength, so apparantely strength isnt a big factor when it comes to building muscle mass or they all had to be really strong
dorian was pretty strong, ronnie was strong, eddie robinson, jonnie jackson, ben white...jay cutler moves some big ass weights and I would bet that he's alot stronger than he was when he started training, incremental increases in strength used on a movement while keeping the rep range consistant buids muscle. you can't tell me if a guy goes from 135 on the incline for 12 reps where he's totally done at 12 and pushes as hard as he can gets to the point where he can do the same number of reps with 245 that he's not gonna have a bigger chest, that's the way it works for most people as long as they are eating enough if you can do that you'll grow.
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i dont really agree with the strength factor either.
they put too much emphasis on the poundages. i think strength increases are the result of an effective bodybuilding regimin, yes, but i dont think they should be the GOAL...
these guys always say "gets tronger, and youll grow) which just isnt true....guys have gotten SHITLOADS stronger...and are still a buck 70... just go to any powerlifting meet
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dorian was pretty strong, ronnie was strong, eddie robinson, jonnie jackson, ben white...jay cutler moves some big ass weights and I would bet that he's alot stronger than he was when he started training, incremental increases in strength used on a movement while keeping the rep range consistant buids muscle. you can't tell me if a guy goes from 135 on the incline for 12 reps where he's totally done at 12 and pushes as hard as he can gets to the point where he can do the same number of reps with 245 that he's not gonna have a bigger chest, that's the way it works for most people as long as they are eating enough if you can do that you'll grow.
so let's see
this is the one thing that you would pick out that dante brought to the table?
it's after all dante and his methods were talking about here.
and what i asked was what can he teach us that hasnt be taught before that we all would benefit from.
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so let's see
this is the one thing that you would pick out that dante brought to the table?
it's after all dante and his methods were talking about here.
and what i asked was what can he teach us that hasnt be taught before that we all would benefit from.
here's one for ya...DON'T LISTEN TO HIM. It's easy. lots fo people have gotten great results from using his methods, if you don't want to do it no one is gonna loose any sleep over it.
I don't have time to type out long drawn out responses jsut to satisfy you, Ihave a few seconds here and there to do it.
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here's one for ya...DON'T LISTEN TO HIM. It's easy. lots fo people have gotten great results from using his methods, if you don't want to do it no one is gonna loose any sleep over it.
I don't have time to type out long drawn out responses jsut to satisfy you, Ihave a few seconds here and there to do it.
just asked you a simple question. dont be mad cause you dont know the answer.
ill ask him the same thing. maybe he got the time.
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just asked you a simple question. dont be mad cause you dont know the answer.
ill ask him the same thing. maybe he got the time.
it's not a question where you can just throw out a generic answer, what part of the program don't you understand?
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it's not a question where you can just throw out a generic answer, what part of the program don't you understand?
i asked you to name something that he brought to the table that others hasnt before him - you started to talk about training with heavy weights ?!
then you backed into a corner claiming "you didnt have time" and now your answer is it's a lengthy package-deal, you gotta read it all and understand it all! and of course "many had great success with it"
you're full of shit. plain and simple.
either you talk about his methods or you dont. dont give me the bullshit about you doesnt have the time. if so log off.
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i asked you to name something that he brought to the table that others hasnt before him - you started to talk about training with heavy weights ?!
then you backed into a corner claiming "you didnt have time" and now your answer is it's a lengthy package-deal, you gotta read it all and understand it all! and of course "many had great success with it"
you're full of shit. plain and simple.
either you talk about his methods or you dont. dont give me the bullshit about you doesnt have the time. if so log off.
bite me bluto, I don't have time to log 25,000+ posts, I post when I can, most of the time while I'm being paid not to be on the internet so if I can sneak something in it's cool.
keep doing your 2 a day training sessions with you're cute little pink db's and it'll all be good.
to answer your original question dante changed the way rest pause movements were done by increasing the rep range and the entire cadence of the movement.
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bite me bluto, I don't have time to log 25,000+ posts, I post when I can, most of the time while I'm being paid not to be on the internet so if I can sneak something in it's cool.
keep doing your 2 a day training sessions with you're cute little pink db's and it'll all be good.
to answer your original question dante changed the way rest pause movements were done by increasing the rep range and the entire cadence of the movement.
so if you would pick one thing it would be that people should include rest pause movements in their routines for tremendous results?
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so if you would pick one thing it would be that people should include rest pause movements in their routines for tremendous results?
done in the way DC has you do it and taking in mind that a person could recover properly and follow the other basic guidelines of the program then that would be a great place to start, it's not about one aspect of the program it's about understanding the entire thing and taking the concepts and making them work for you, what you're asking is like me asking joe professional BB when I was younger how he built his arms and him telling me "curls"....you need more than one little piece of info to go off of.
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done in the way DC has you do it and taking in mind that a person could recover properly and follow the other basic guidelines of the program then that would be a great place to start, it's not about one aspect of the program it's about understanding the entire thing and taking the concepts and making them work for you, what you're asking is like me asking joe professional BB when I was younger how he built his arms and him telling me "curls"....you need more than one little piece of info to go off of.
ill stick with my pink dumbbells.
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ill stick with my pink dumbbells.
I figured that out along time ago.
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I figured that out along time ago.
if aint broke, dont fix it.
bodybuilders done fine without rest pause whatever
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if aint broke, dont fix it.
bodybuilders done fine without rest pause whatever
you can go into any gym in the world and see some guy training volume who looks the exact same as he did 5 years ago so I guess that doesn't work either.
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you can go into any gym in the world and see some guy training volume who looks the exact same as he did 5 years ago so I guess that doesn't work either.
if you say so, i dont go to the gym and pay attention to how other guys look
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if you could pick one thing outta the ton of stuff that the mastermind dante brought to the world of bodybuilding and would be remembered for, what would it be?
Sure I can answer that. Dont waste valuable time during the day explaining or arguing with people about training. Why?
1) It screws up their belief system and they will argue the sky is red if it keeps them sane that their training that they are doing isnt going to waste
2) It truly is a huge waste of time. I dont care if someone does my methods or not and I sure as heck am not going to spend 35 minutes typing out why some guy named Bluto on Getbig should do my training when he is going to leave with his mind unchanged anyway. I dont care what training Bluto does. 35 minutes is important to me....and you dont register on that list.
3) That cycles for pennies took 2 years of time and you want it explained to you in a post (good luck)
4) Check the scoreboard (pictures, posts, threads etc) if it didnt work and work extremely well you would have never heard about it.
5) Name one guy in the past that did exactly 3 failure points of a broken up set with 10-15 deep breathes in between (Rest pause training has always been a set of 6 maximum singles) and you win the prize for the day.
6) Heres the big one. It just doesnt matter. It really doesnt. If I dont care what you do, then why do you care so badly? Does it screw up your belief system that tonite when you go lift maybe just maybe your not doing the most productive thing for you?
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Amen.
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Sure I can answer that. Dont waste valuable time during the day explaining or arguing with people about training. Why?
1) It screws up their belief system and they will argue the sky is red if it keeps them sane that their training that they are doing isnt going to waste
2) It truly is a huge waste of time. I dont care if someone does my methods or not and I sure as heck am not going to spend 35 minutes typing out why some guy named Bluto on Getbig should do my training when he is going to leave with his mind unchanged anyway. I dont care what training Bluto does. 35 minutes is important to me....and you dont register on that list.
3) That cycles for pennies took 2 years of time and you want it explained to you in a post (good luck)
4) Check the scoreboard (pictures, posts, threads etc) if it didnt work and work extremely well you would have never heard about it.
5) Name one guy in the past that did exactly 3 failure points of a broken up set with 10-15 deep breathes in between (Rest pause training has always been a set of 6 maximum singles) and you win the prize for the day.
6) Heres the big one. It just doesnt matter. It really doesnt. If I dont care what you do, then why do you care so badly? Does it screw up your belief system that tonite when you go lift maybe just maybe your not doing the most productive thing for you?
not gonna read all that you need to learn how to get to the point with less words
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not gonna read all that you need to learn how to get to the point with less words
Translation: I just got owned and am not man enough to admit it.
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Translation: I just got owned and am not man enough to admit it.
whos gimmick are you again? i cant keep up with you guys
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bluto is spot on, there is nothing dante 'invented' except a longer rest pause ::)
everything else was being done by mentzer 20 years ago - don't believe me buy his books. ::)
straight sets to failure - mentzer
1 set per muscle group - mentzer
increase in strength = increase in muscle - mentzer
progressive resistance - mentzer
rest pause - mentzer
extreme stretching - padilla
extreme protein intake - padilla + every bodybuider from the late 80's onward.
cycling excercises - westside
mentzer ideas + padilla ideas = doggcrapp.
dc training only works because steroids+weights+high protein= muscle - not because he uses longer rests between rest pauses ::)
dc training will over train any natural trainee with those rest pauses sooner or later - hence dante's recomendation of 1 straight set to failure for naturals (now where have i heard those recommendations before ::))
i though getbig was the place that saw through bullshit ::)
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LOL you havent read one thing Ive ever written have you? If you did you would be really embarassed at the post you just wrote.
Padilla? How bout Parillo? Put down the scotch. Man you cant even get that part right, nevermind the other stuff.
Nothing worse than a guy who writes a matter-of-fact post and he doesnt even have the facts straight LOL (1 straight set per muscle group? That aint me bro....actually read the subject matter next time before you take the test ok).
Let me guess, you stood up and talked about baking pies thinking it was Home Ec. in trigonometry class when everyone else was theorizing about the Pythagoreum Theorem.
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LOL you havent read one thing Ive ever written have you? If you did you would be really embarassed at the post you just wrote.
Padilla? How bout Parillo? Put down the scotch. Man you cant even get that part right, nevermind the other stuff.
Nothing worse than a guy who writes a matter-of-fact post and he doesnt even have the facts straight LOL (1 straight set per muscle group? That aint me bro....actually read the subject matter next time before you take the test ok).
Let me guess, you stood up and talked about baking pies thinking it was Home Ec. in trigonometry class when everyone else was theorizing about the Pythagoreum Theorem.
what do you bring to the table thats new?
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bluto is spot on, there is nothing dante 'invented' except a longer rest pause ::)
everything else was being done by mentzer 20 years ago - don't believe me buy his books. ::)
straight sets to failure - mentzer
1 set per muscle group - mentzer
increase in strength = increase in muscle - mentzer
progressive resistance - mentzer
rest pause - mentzer
extreme stretching - padilla
extreme protein intake - padilla + every bodybuider from the late 80's onward.
cycling excercises - westside
WRONG.
Joe Weider invented EVERYTHING. :D
please link Padilla's theories on high protein...his diet articles from the 80's when he was competing was less than 100 grams of protein a day and less than a 1000 cals when dieting working as a bagger in his daddy's grocery store...or maybe that was just more M & F bullshitttt :-* :-*
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bluto is spot on, there is nothing dante 'invented' except a longer rest pause ::)
everything else was being done by mentzer 20 years ago - don't believe me buy his books. ::)
straight sets to failure - mentzer
1 set per muscle group - mentzer
increase in strength = increase in muscle - mentzer
progressive resistance - mentzer
rest pause - mentzer
extreme stretching - padilla
extreme protein intake - padilla + every bodybuider from the late 80's onward.
cycling excercises - westside
mentzer ideas + padilla ideas = doggcrapp.
dc training only works because steroids+weights+high protein= muscle - not because he uses longer rests between rest pauses ::)
dc training will over train any natural trainee with those rest pauses sooner or later - hence dante's recomendation of 1 straight set to failure for naturals (now where have i heard those recommendations before ::))
i though getbig was the place that saw through bullshit ::)
I'm natural and I don't think I've ever felt like I've been overtrained since starting DC...hence the blast and cruise phases.
I didn't know that Danny was such a visionary when it came to training concepts and dietary advice...wow.
again, if you think it's bullshit don't do it...it's pretty simple.
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Padilla? How bout Parillo? Put down the scotch. Man you cant even get that part right, nevermind the other stuff.
Nothing worse than a guy who writes a matter-of-fact post and he doesnt even have the facts straight LOL (1 straight set per muscle group? That aint me bro....actually read the subject matter next time before you take the test ok).
look you fat fvck - i have read your advice/regurgitation of other peoples work on various bb forums and yes you have told wannabe 'clients' ::) that if their recovery is poor, do one straight set to failure instead of the rest pauses - if i had the time to spare i would search for it over via google, but frankly i dont give a fvck. what you claim. i know you said it.
as for your admitance that you did indeed steal parillo's work i am glad. its about time, now if only you'll admit you stole mentzers ideas too, along with phil hernons and vince girondas, then maybe you'll get some respect from me.
as for me typing padilla, ::) that was simply a freudian slip, since i have been reading alot on the 81 mr o lately, but yes i can see why you pounced on it rather than answer bluto's question, it was the easy option - for a liar, and charlatan like yourself.
tell me dante are you doing any shows soon?
or will you keep up the delusional pretense for a while then start postiing your excuses - i tried to diet for a show 4 times this year but, i got sick, i got busy at work, i got too many training clients, you got busy eating crispy cremes more like it.
also for someone who claims washing mince reduces calories - why are you such a fat piece of shit?
that is all.
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nice response resort to insults ..... :-\
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Bro I know your Mike Mentzers biggest fan and you have a seizure anytime anyone dents your heroic love for the guy. I have never ever read a Mike Mentzer article or book in my life. After talking to Dan Duchaine about the guy back in the day and hearing things like "The guys a bonafide nutjob, drugs upon drugs upon drugs with the most addictive personality around to just about anything put in front of him, "caught in front of golds in his underwear", rumors of "drinking his own urine", wandering the streets in a complete daze drooling".......I didnt really think much of the person to look into his literary works. I dont have to label what my thoughts are just because every HIT disciple out there thinks they OWN anything they percieve as low volume. I am not even low volume. Ive said this too many times to count (cut and pasted below). I just dont count warmup sets--its that simple.
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If i got a big superheavy who is advanced and needs work on his chest
he might do something like this
incline barbell
135
185
225
275
315
365 x rp
then widowmaker exercise
flat flex press
135
185
225 x 24
thats 9 sets if you want to count it like most do
when i see Chris Cormier doing this
incline barbell
135
225
315
405 x 6
flat dumbells
100
130
150
Pek Dek
100
140
175
thats 10 sets--whats the difference--noone would ever say chris cormier does low volume
It drives me nuts when people try to categorize this as low volume or HIT---It is what it is and it sure as hell isnt HIT
I could just as well count warmup sets like everyone else does and it would change the mentality of the whole thing over the years"
Rest pause? Read about it in a Weider book on bodybuilding back in the day = 6 singles with maximum weight. I started breaking up sets in the early 90's starting with about 2 breaks and went up to about 7 of them before settling on 3 failure points on the way to 11-15 reps being the most productive. Has absolutely nothing to do with Mike Mentzer, nothing. Not even remotely close. I dont have much of an ego so thinking back I thought whats this most like? It seemed most like rest pause training as described in the Weider book back in the 80's so Ill just call it Rest Pause training instead of "Dante's patented 3 failure on the way to 11-15 reps training"....I dont give a crap.
IM sorry man but from what Ive heard, I think your hero was 2 hotdogs short of a dozen eggs. MG told me he hired him back in the day and the guy wanted him to hit one bodypart once a month or he would overtrain. WHAT?!?! Holy OCD. Train 12 times a year? IM the complete polar opposite of that. I want someone to train bodyparts as often as possible.
Stretching? Hell yea--Parillo all the way---no doubt the forefather of that. Absolutely and thats why you have seen me repeatedly quote Jon Parillo's name in print....as recently as Flex magazine and Musclemag Int'l but I guess you missed those issues with your daily prayer at the Mike Mentzer shrine. I believe in progressive weights and warming up thru 135 225 315 405 etc (whether it takes 3 or 55 warmup sets) to get there and I dont like to count warmups--yet believe in going all out on the last set.....and your hero doesnt own the rights to that (every bodybuilder who has ever trained hard owns the rights to that). Mentzer does own the rights to drinking his own urine though, and stumbling thru the streets in his underwear.
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look you fat fvck - i have read your advice/regurgitation of other peoples work on various bb forums and yes you have told wannabe 'clients' ::) that if their recovery is poor, do one straight set to failure instead of the rest pauses - if i had the time to spare i would search for it over via google, but frankly i dont give a fvck. what you claim. i know you said it.
as for your admitance that you did indeed steal parillo's work i am glad. its about time, now if only you'll admit you stole mentzers ideas too, along with phil hernons and vince girondas, then maybe you'll get some respect from me.
as for me typing padilla, ::) that was simply a freudian slip, since i have been reading alot on the 81 mr o lately, but yes i can see why you pounced on it rather than answer bluto's question, it was the easy option - for a liar, and charlatan like yourself.
tell me dante are you doing any shows soon?
or will you keep up the delusional pretense for a while then start postiing your excuses - i tried to diet for a show 4 times this year but, i got sick, i got busy at work, i got too many training clients, you got busy eating crispy cremes more like it.
also for someone who claims washing mince reduces calories - why are you such a fat piece of shit?
that is all.
Easy there little bud.. Why are you getting so hostile? Here is an idea. You and Dante sit down, and see who has more knowledge about bodybuilding. I'm talking all facets of this sport. Needless to say, you wouldn't last 1 mintute son. Buck up and start being mature. But then again, this is getbig. :-\
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nice response resort to insults ..... :-\
yes, it was a nice responce, to his insult ::) - do you take insults without replying?
Easy there little bud.. Why are you getting so hostile? Here is an idea. You and Dante sit down, and see who has more knowledge about bodybuilding. I'm talking all facets of this sport. Needless to say, you wouldn't last 1 mintute son. Buck up and start being mature. But then again, this is getbig. :-\
ok pops ::) i'll do that.
funny how you know nothing about me yet make judgements about my knowledge?
here's something to think about - do some research about a guy called ironman - this guy invented a super workout, with great ideas, that many tried and got great results from. Many swore by it and said they made the best gains of their life on it. This guy had spent quite some time building up credibility and respect for his ideas. his threads were huge - not cycles for pennies huge, but still huge.
then he pissed dante off by disagreeing on something, dante took it apon himself to ehunt this guy down (a bit like he tried with squad not long ago) - he traced this guys i.p. and discovered he was a newbie, who just a few months earlier was asking the most basic of questions on sites all over the net - dante outed him as being a liar and stealer of other peoples ideas on pro muscle and ironman site. the guy vanished and has never been heard of again., most of his threads were deleted - not all, but most, as the people who listened to his theories were made fools of.
now tell me, if dante never found out he was a fraud, he'd be the new doggcrapp, his ironman hit as it was called would be the workout of choice for thousands of bbers everywhere.
and guys like you would be telling people like me who question ideas to buck up ::)
Bro I know your Mike Mentzers biggest fan and you have a seizure anytime anyone dents your heroic love for the guy. I have never ever read a Mike Mentzer article or book in my life. After talking to Dan Duchaine about the guy back in the day and hearing things like "The guys a bonafide nutjob, drugs upon drugs upon drugs with the most addictive personality around to just about anything put in front of him, "caught in front of golds in his underwear", rumors of "drinking his own urine", wandering the streets in a complete daze drooling".......I didnt really think much of the person to look into his literary works. I dont have to label what my thoughts are just because every HIT disciple out there thinks they OWN anything they percieve as low volume. I am not even low volume. Ive said this too many times to count (cut and pasted below). I just dont count warmup sets--its that simple.
(cut and pasted)
If i got a big superheavy who is advanced and needs work on his chest
he might do something like this
incline barbell
135
185
225
275
315
365 x rp
then widowmaker exercise
flat flex press
135
185
225 x 24
thats 9 sets if you want to count it like most do
when i see Chris Cormier doing this
incline barbell
135
225
315
405 x 6
flat dumbells
100
130
150
Pek Dek
100
140
175
thats 10 sets--whats the difference--noone would ever say chris cormier does low volume
It drives me nuts when people try to categorize this as low volume or HIT---It is what it is and it sure as hell isnt HIT
I could just as well count warmup sets like everyone else does and it would change the mentality of the whole thing over the years"
Rest pause? Read about it in a Weider book on bodybuilding back in the day = 6 singles with maximum weight. I started breaking up sets in the early 90's starting with about 2 breaks and went up to about 7 of them before settling on 3 failure points on the way to 11-15 reps being the most productive. Has absolutely nothing to do with Mike Mentzer, nothing. Not even remotely close. I dont have much of an ego so thinking back I thought whats this most like? It seemed most like rest pause training as described in the Weider book back in the 80's so Ill just call it Rest Pause training instead of "Dante's patented 3 failure on the way to 11-15 reps training"....I dont give a crap.
IM sorry man but from what Ive heard, I think your hero was 2 hotdogs short of a dozen eggs. MG told me he hired him back in the day and the guy wanted him to hit one bodypart once a month or he would overtrain. WHAT?!?! Holy OCD. Train 12 times a year? IM the complete polar opposite of that. I want someone to train bodyparts as often as possible.
Stretching? Hell yea--Parillo all the way---no doubt the forefather of that. Absolutely and thats why you have seen me repeatedly quote Jon Parillo's name in print....as recently as Flex magazine and Musclemag Int'l but I guess you missed those issues with your daily prayer at the Mike Mentzer shrine. I believe in progressive weights and warming up thru 135 225 315 405 etc (whether it takes 3 or 55 warmup sets) to get there and I dont like to count warmups--yet believe in going all out on the last set.....and your hero doesnt own the rights to that (every bodybuilder who has ever trained hard owns the rights to that). Mentzer does own the rights to drinking his own urine though, and stumbling thru the streets in his underwear.
mentzer was a legend, an outside the box thinker, a gentleman and a champion.
you are nothing but another ironman, and you know it, you just got lucky there wasn't a getbig back then to expose you for what you are.
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yes, it was a nice responce, to his insult ::) - do you take insults without replying?
ok pops ::) i'll do that.
funny how you know nothing about me yet make judgements about my knowledge?
here's something to think about - do some research about a guy called ironman - this guy invented a super workout, with great ideas, that many tried and got great results from. Many swore by it and said they made the best gains of their life on it. This guy had spent quite some time building up credibility and respect for his ideas. his threads were huge - not cycles for pennies huge, but still huge.
then he pissed dante off by disagreeing on something, dante took it apon himself to ehunt this guy down (a bit like he tried with squad not long ago) - he traced this guys i.p. and discovered he was a newbie, who just a few months earlier was asking the most basic of questions on sites all over the net - dante outed him as being a liar and stealer of other peoples ideas on pro muscle and ironman site. the guy vanished and has never been heard of again., most of his threads were deleted - not all, but most, as the people who listened to his theories were made fools of.
now tell me, if dante never found out he was a fraud, he'd be the new doggcrapp, his ironman hit as it was called would be the workout of choice for thousands of bbers everywhere.
and guys like you would be telling people like me who question ideas to buck up ::)
mentzer was a legend, an outside the box thinker, a gentleman and a champion.
you are nothing but another ironman, and you know it, you just got lucky there wasn't a getbig back then to expose you for what you are.
And you know NOTHING about Dante. He is a good man, and a professional at that. I am not saying that Mentzer wasn't a legend. But don't attack Dante.
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And you know NOTHING about Dante. He is a good man, and a professional at that. I am not saying that Mentzer wasn't a legend. But don't attack Dante.
i attacked in defence of myself, after an unwarented slur on my character. nothing more.
and i know enough about dante to get me by, dont let it trouble you grandpa.
i also know you should remove his penis from your ass, before it gets stuck. :-*
hope this helps.
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post up some of this iron man's theories.. you caught my interest
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i attacked in defence of myself, after an unwarented slur on my character. nothing more.
and i know enough about dante to get me by, dont let it trouble you grandpa.
i also know you should remove his penis from your ass, before it gets stuck. :-*
hope this helps.
Good one.
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Bout 12 years ago I was training a friend of mine for his first show. He was poor. :'( So, he took bout 2 grams of test a week. Closer to the show he took some dbol and that was it!! No anti E's but would have if he could have afforded it. Anyway, he won the lightweights and was the hardest guy in the show.
Two grams (2000mg) of test a week + d-bol to weigh in at 154 lbs? Awesome! :-\ ;D
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Dante is the man, no denying that. Stand-up guy, with a great reputation.
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Dante is the man, no denying that. Stand-up guy, with a great reputation.
Amen 240. He knows what the hell he's doing, and for that he gets flack. Cause dc training works. Until somebody tries it CORRECTLY, they don't know what they are missing.
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so wait here is dante admitting that all his ideas are from weider etc?
doesnt he bring anything new to the table?
isnt that what you do - you either come up with something original or you greatly improve of something old?
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i attacked in defence of myself, after an unwarented slur on my character. nothing more.
and i know enough about dante to get me by, dont let it trouble you grandpa.
i also know you should remove his penis from your ass, before it gets stuck. :-*
hope this helps.
why are you so angry?
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Two grams (2000mg) of test a week + d-bol to weigh in at 154 lbs? Awesome! :-\ ;D
Im glad someone else caught that. :o
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Having read this thread hoping to learn from Dante's years of practical hands-on knowledge I feel I must comment.
Bluto and FatPanda (assuredly a Bluto gimmick judging from the identical syntax, grammar; vocabulary and post structure... sorry Bluto but subterfuge is for smart people), you attack Dante for bringing nothing new to the table... well let's consider what your two accounts have brought to this discussion:
-opinionated dismissal of ideas you refuse to read
-militantly derisive misunderstanding
-ad hominem attacks and name calling
-thread hijacking obfuscation
-illogical arguing
-and ignorance.... lots and lots of ignorance; training ignorance, nutritional ignorance, bodybuilding ignorance
...don't apologise, don't attempt to explain your point of view, don't invite Dante to better detail his theories... just leave the thread for good and stick to posting new topics in which your only contribution is the thread title and the word "discuss".
The Luke
PS-Dante, please post the full thread/article if possible
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Having read this thread hoping to learn from Dante's years of practical hands-on knowledge I feel I must comment.
Bluto and FatPanda (assuredly a Bluto gimmick judging from the identical syntax, grammar; vocabulary and post structure... sorry Bluto but subterfuge is for smart people), you attack Dante for bringing nothing new to the table... well let's consider what your two accounts have brought to this discussion:
-opinionated dismissal of ideas you refuse to read
-militantly derisive misunderstanding
-ad hominem attacks and name calling
-thread hijacking obfuscation
-illogical arguing
-and ignorance.... lots and lots of ignorance; training ignorance, nutritional ignorance, bodybuilding ignorance
...don't apologise, don't attempt to explain your point of view, don't invite Dante to better detail his theories... just leave the thread for good and stick to posting new topics in which your only contribution is the thread title and the word "discuss".
The Luke
PS-Dante, please post the full thread/article if possible
spot on even if I think you're a little nutty for thinking you look as good as Labrada, you hit the nail on the head with that post.
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Having read this thread hoping to learn from Dante's years of practical hands-on knowledge I feel I must comment.
Bluto and FatPanda (assuredly a Bluto gimmick judging from the identical syntax, grammar; vocabulary and post structure... sorry Bluto but subterfuge is for smart people), you attack Dante for bringing nothing new to the table... well let's consider what your two accounts have brought to this discussion:
-opinionated dismissal of ideas you refuse to read
-militantly derisive misunderstanding
-ad hominem attacks and name calling
-thread hijacking obfuscation
-illogical arguing
-and ignorance.... lots and lots of ignorance; training ignorance, nutritional ignorance, bodybuilding ignorance
...don't apologise, don't attempt to explain your point of view, don't invite Dante to better detail his theories... just leave the thread for good and stick to posting new topics in which your only contribution is the thread title and the word "discuss".
The Luke
PS-Dante, please post the full thread/article if possible
wanna bet?
$1000 panda isnt my gimmick you game?
either that or apologize. your call.
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spot on even if I think you're a little nutty for thinking you look as good as Labrada, you hit the nail on the head with that post.
and ill happy to include you in the bet as well.
lemme know where you stand.
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wanna bet?
$1000 panda isnt my gimmick you game?
either that or apologize. your call.
bluto I usually don't have an issue with you but you're really coming off like a tool to me in this thread.
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wanna bet?
$1000 panda isnt my gimmick you game?
either that or apologize. your call.
...I'm sorry both you and FatPanda are so moronic and facetious that you appear to be the same person using two accounts to attack those who disagree with him when he knows he can't outsmart them or win the argument.
The Luke
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bluto I usually don't have an issue with you but you're really coming off like a tool to me in this thread.
and you're coming off as a asskisser and obsessed with dante, just because that's your CURRENT training routine
and dont go tell someone that' he's "spot on" when he just made a complete fool of himself accusing panda to be my gimmick, that means you agree with it.
dante started things off by saying the old stuff wasnt even worth posting because - well it was old. which translates to = its no longer of any value.
so all i did was ask him what he brought to the table since then (and why the old stuff wasnt worth talking about anymore)
dante, well he comes off as full of himself and disrespectful, defensive and constantly in meltdown-mode.
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...I'm sorry both you and FatPanda are so moronic and facetious that you appear to be the same person using two accounts to attack those who disagree with him when he knows he can't outsmart them or win the argument.
The Luke
if you wanna talk about something ive said, be specific.
if you just wanna kiss dantes ass, you have succeed in that.
if you wanna make a fool outta yourself, by accusing me of using panda as a gimmick, you done that too. congrats "the luke"
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and you're coming off as a asskisser and obsessed with dante, just because that's your CURRENT training routine
and dont go tell someone that' he's "spot on" when he just made a complete fool of himself accusing panda to be my gimmick, that means you agree with it.
dante started things off by saying the old stuff wasnt even worth posting because - well it was old. which translates to = its no longer of any value.
so all i did was ask him what he brought to the table since then (and why the old stuff wasnt worth talking about anymore)
dante, well he comes off as full of himself and disrespectful, defensive and constantly in meltdown-mode.
oh settle down. take a few deep breaths, I meant he was spot on with both of you guys with the way you're responding to dante's posts not that you guys are gimmick accounts, I could care less about that stuff. if you're a gimmick...great, I don't give a fuck and I've never had any run ins with fatpanda that I can remember.
like dante said if you don't like it don't do the program, it's probably a little to rough for you anyway. :o
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This thread has gotten very entertaining. ;D
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like dante said if you don't like it don't do the program, it's probably a little to rough for you anyway. :o
oh my bad i thought we had the right to discuss dantes program in a thread about dantes program on a msg board... but apparantely neither you or dante want to discuss it, yet you come here and post every day.
doesnt make much sense to me.
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Bluto,
I don't want to start a hissy fit here... but please correct me if I'm wrong as I wouldn't want to confuse you with someone else.
Aren't you the newbie trainer guy who posts new threads announcing his latest fad training regimens every couple of months? Isn't your current routine high volume workouts with two muti-hour workouts per day? One workout in the morning and another in the evening? Aren't you one of these two-pound dumbbell mega-giant set trainers who takes Milos Sarcev seriously? Aren't you the guy who has racked up 25,000 posts in record time here on GetBig with practically none of them being of any value?
If this actually is you, please go play... the grown-ups are talking.
The Luke
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Aren't you the newbie trainer guy who posts new threads announcing his latest fad training regimens every couple of months?
no
Isn't your current routine high volume workouts with two muti-hour workouts per day? One workout in the morning and another in the evening?
no
Aren't you one of these two-pound dumbbell mega-giant set trainers who takes Milos Sarcev seriously?
no
Aren't you the guy who has racked up 25,000 posts in record time here on GetBig with practically none of them being of any value?
no, ive posted since 2004. have you read them all? you must have otherwise you couldnt comment on their value.
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ok so where do we stand.
luke went from accusing me to be a gimmick to personal attacks.
and natural al dont want to discuss training methods. he rather tell people to try it or not, and if not well you wasnt macho enough thats why.
great job guys. you contribute a lot to the thread! ::)
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no, ive posted since 2004. have you read them all? you must have otherwise you couldnt comment on their value.
...yeah, I should read every one of your 25,000 insightful articulate posts before I point out that you are attacking Dante's article while admitting that you REFUSE to read it.
You are a little bit dim Bluto. I would have thought you'd be interested in the considered opinions of intelligent people... I was wrong.
The Luke
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ok so where do we stand.
luke went from accusing me to be a gimmick to personal attacks.
and natural al dont want to discuss training methods. he rather tell people to try it or not, and if not well you wasnt macho enough thats why.
great job guys. you contribute a lot to the thread! ::)
sounds about right to me. I'll discuss training methods but you seem to want to play games, don't want to read anything and all that good stuff.
just calm down and relax, like I said it probably IS to hard for ya, it's no big deal.
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...yeah, I should read every one of your 25,000 insightful articulate posts before I point out that you are attacking Dante's article while admitting that you REFUSE to read it.
You are a little bit dim Bluto. I would have thought you'd be interested in the considered opinions of intelligent people... I was wrong.
The Luke
how about this - you dont have to read my 25 000 posts and i dont have to read dantes 25 000 page article? deal?
good.
now can we continue discussing the 3 questions that i brought up in this thread:
a) the original cut n paste in the beginning of this thread by 240, wasnt worth posting according to dante "it's old" - why would it matter if it's old? isnt it valid any more? was dante wrong?
b) what happend since, has he improved his ideas? changed them totally? he admitted that he got pretty much everything from weider etc so what did he bring to the table, that was new, original or greatly improved?
c) if you, the dante followers, could pick ONE thing that dante brought to the table (that nobody else has before him), that would make a tremendous difference and should be added to a regular drug-free natural lifters routine - what would that be?
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sounds about right to me. I'll discuss training methods but you seem to want to play games, don't want to read anything and all that good stuff.
just calm down and relax, like I said it probably IS to hard for ya, it's no big deal.
thats just it. you dont want to discuss. you say take it or leave it. then you put a personal attack in there claiming people are not tough enough for it.
you want a prize? want me to say what a MAN you are for training the DANTE way? that others just CANNOT because it's TOO MUCH for them it's TOO HARD!!!
youre embarrasing.
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Bluto,
Do you want specific clarification of the provenance of an article you refuse to read?
Will you refuse to read Dante's answer if he responds to your questions?
What value does your criticism have if you don't know what your criticizing?
Do you really want to discuss something you refuse to read?
Do you feel the need to discuss books you haven't read?
Do you discuss movies you haven't seen?
Do you discuss scientific topics you don't understand?
If Dante answered your questions what would that accomplish?
Quit the argument mongering and fuck off out of this thread. You bring nothing constructive to any thread you infiltrate... you are the epitome of the ignorant, obnoxious pseudo expert wanna-be that gives GetBig a bad name.
Dante,
Please post some more details of the stretching protocols... specifically the exercises relating to awkward to stretch muscles such as deltoids, traps, forearms etc with any alternative methods (for those of us with unusual structures/proportions).
Thanks,
The Luke
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thats just it. you dont want to discuss. you say take it or leave it. then you put a personal attack in there claiming people are not tough enough for it.
you want a prize? want me to say what a MAN you are for training the DANTE way? that others just CANNOT because it's TOO MUCH for them it's TOO HARD!!!
youre embarrasing.
bluto, it's not your fault you train like a girl, you just don't know any better and are to thick headed to read anything....
no big deal at all.
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Will you refuse to read Dante's answer if he responds to your questions?
nah ill read it.
What value does your criticism have if you don't know what your criticizing?
what criticism?
Do you really want to discuss something you refuse to read?
this is a msg board. i read thread and posts.
Do you feel the need to discuss books you haven't read?
absolutely, say your favorite author is coming out with a new book, why not discuss it.
Do you discuss movies you haven't seen?
absolutely, all the time. check out the e board on here.
If Dante answered your questions what would that accomplish?
we'll see then wont we.
Quit the argument mongering and fuck off out of this thread. You bring nothing constructive to any thread you infiltrate... you are the epitome of the ignorant, obnoxious pseudo expert wanna-be that gives GetBig a bad name.
remind me what you bring to this thread or what you ever brought to getbig? who are you again? are you the guy that was hiding in the "natural bodybuilding " forum as a moderator, a board hardly anyone ever visit? is that you? are you the village idiot that was out looking for bigfoot (!) ?!
i dont know who you are, i think youre that guy, i apologize if i mix you up with someone else.
stretching protocols?!
oh brother.
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bluto, it's not your fault you train like a girl, you just don't know any better and are to thick headed to read anything....
no big deal at all.
how do you know how i train? i cant remember you from any of the gyms i visit. next time dont be shy, introduce yourself.
hell, why not put up a video on youtube showing everybody how hard you train and the unheard of poundages that you move?
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how do you know how i train? i cant remember you from any of the gyms i visit. next time dont be shy, introduce yourself.
hell, why not put up a video on youtube showing everybody how hard you train and the unheard of poundages that you move?
lol.
how many keyboards are you going through right now with this thread.
why would I do that? I don't have to prove anything to anyone on here and if I felt I did I'd seek medical attention cause I don't know anyone on here on a personal level except for 1 or 2 people....like I care enough about you to post a clip of me training...lol.
are you on any medication right now?
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lol.
how many keyboards are you going through right now with this thread.
why would I do that? I don't have to prove anything to anyone on here and if I felt I did I'd seek medical attention cause I don't know anyone on here on a personal level except for 1 or 2 people....like I care enough about you to post a clip of me training...lol.
are you on any medication right now?
common man, you spent this whole thread telling everyone what a bad ass you are and that others train like little girls.
you should put out your own TRAINING VIDEO!
it will be up there with dorians blood n guts and ronnies!
i bet you train REALLY INTENSE too!
maybe you could call it NATURAL ALS REALLY INTENSE TRAINING VIDEO - NOT FOR LITTLE GIRLS BUT FOR REAL MEN ONLY
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common man, you spent this whole thread telling everyone what a bad ass you are and that others train like little girls.
you should put out your own TRAINING VIDEO!
it will be up there with dorians blood n guts and ronnies!
i bet you train REALLY INTENSE too!
maybe you could call it NATURAL ALS REALLY INTENSE TRAINING VIDEO - NOT FOR LITTLE GIRLS BUT FOR REAL MEN ONLY
if I ever did I'd recommend that you don't buy it cause it'd probably make you soil yourelf and make your eyes bleed.
I've said a million times on here that I train as hard as I can, other people might look at me and say I train like a pussy but I know when I leave the gym that Iv'e done everything that I can.
I've been training for along time and have tried just about everything you can think of and DC is by far the best overall program I've tried....it's that simple but you don't want to even look at it so why should I bother trying to talk about it with you?
you make me laugh at times on this board but you're being a cock in this thread.
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if I ever did I'd recommend that you don't buy it cause it'd probably make you soil yourelf and make your eyes bleed.
I've said a million times on here that I train as hard as I can, other people might look at me and say I train like a pussy but I know when I leave the gym that Iv'e done everything that I can.
I've been training for along time and have tried just about everything you can think of and DC is by far the best overall program I've tried....it's that simple but you don't want to even look at it so why should I bother trying to talk about it with you?
you make me laugh at times on this board but you're being a cock in this thread.
you shouldnt, there's no way i can train that hard!
a program that only a very few macho men on the planet can endure, thats doggcrapp training!
still think you should put out a video though. for entertainment value if nothing else.
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I think it's time for an intervention...
Folks, we have to ignore Bluto. For his own good, he's a compulsive attention whore. Chronically deprived of real human interaction he trolls around message boards imposing his inane opinions on all and sundry.
It doesn't matter what the discussion is, he has to be a part of it... doesn't matter what the topic is, he's an expert... doesn't matter what criticism is thrown at him, he then needs to discuss the minutiae of the criticism itself...
25,000 posts... get help dude, get help.
Everyone just follow my lead and ignore his posts... then perhaps we can get this thread back on track.
Dante, come back.
The Luke
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somewhere...stewart mc roberts is reading this article and jacking off!
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look you fat fvck - i have read your advice/regurgitation of other peoples work on various bb forums and yes you have told wannabe 'clients' ::) that if their recovery is poor, do one straight set to failure instead of the rest pauses - if i had the time to spare i would search for it over via google, but frankly i dont give a fvck. what you claim. i know you said it.
as for your admitance that you did indeed steal parillo's work i am glad. its about time, now if only you'll admit you stole mentzers ideas too, along with phil hernons and vince girondas, then maybe you'll get some respect from me.
as for me typing padilla, ::) that was simply a freudian slip, since i have been reading alot on the 81 mr o lately, but yes i can see why you pounced on it rather than answer bluto's question, it was the easy option - for a liar, and charlatan like yourself.
tell me dante are you doing any shows soon?
or will you keep up the delusional pretense for a while then start postiing your excuses - i tried to diet for a show 4 times this year but, i got sick, i got busy at work, i got too many training clients, you got busy eating crispy cremes more like it.
also for someone who claims washing mince reduces calories - why are you such a fat piece of shit?
that is all.
YOU LOSE !!
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I think it's time for an intervention...
Folks, we have to ignore Bluto. For his own good, he's a compulsive attention whore. Chronically deprived of real human interaction he trolls around message boards imposing his inane opinions on all and sundry.
It doesn't matter what the discussion is, he has to be a part of it... doesn't matter what the topic is, he's an expert... doesn't matter what criticism is thrown at him, he then needs to discuss the minutiae of the criticism itself...
25,000 posts... get help dude, get help.
Everyone just follow my lead and ignore his posts... then perhaps we can get this thread back on track.
Dante, come back.
The Luke
jesus.
another full page meltdown.
dont tell me you're this pissed because you think the very few posts ive made in this thread is stopping dante from responding, telling you how to stretch?!
;D
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al i have discussed dc training before with you on the training board. and yes it was a respectful discussion, because you treated my with respect - dante came on here and accused me of being an alcoholic ::) because i had the cheek to question the origins of his method. what was i going to do, be polite after that ::)
i have no beef with anyone who disagrees with me, if its done in a respectful manner.
anyway, no matter what dante claims, nothing i said was wrong, he has recommended 1 straight set to failure for naturals with poor recovery (perhaps he said it a long time ago, in one of his old threads, and his since changed his mind - but i'm 100% certain he did say it).
he has took ideas from others to come up with his own method - he's admited a few, but not all. that bothers me.
luke - you seem like the type of guy that likes the cock ::)
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candy, for ironman's info:
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/60704-iron-mans-bulking-routine-powerlifting-routine.html
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/60710-iron-mans-theories-explained.html
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/60700-ironmans-cutting-pre-competition-diet.html
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/60703-iron-mans-bulking-diet.html
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/60580-iron-mans-anabolic-cycles.html
enjoy, its good reading.
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candy, for ironman's info:
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/60704-iron-mans-bulking-routine-powerlifting-routine.html
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/60710-iron-mans-theories-explained.html
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/60700-ironmans-cutting-pre-competition-diet.html
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/60703-iron-mans-bulking-diet.html
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/60580-iron-mans-anabolic-cycles.html
enjoy, its good reading.
damn i was waiting for you to post this!! haha thanks man im gonna read it right now
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without slin you are not going above 220lbs if u are a 5'10 bodybuilder with 9% bodyfat
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boom!
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without slin you are not going above 220lbs if u are a 5'10 bodybuilder with 9% bodyfat
thats utter bullshit................ .
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without slin you are not going above 220lbs if u are a 5'10 bodybuilder with 9% bodyfat
you're a fucking idiot lol...
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boom!
huge fucking dude, llittle fat but he would still be massive on stage 230+ Dont see how anyone would hate on that build right there. Thats a legit superheavy right there
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are you kidding me ?
he's so fat he has rolls on his shoulders :o
he's on more than 1g of test a week, and is fatter than dave tate on a bulking cycle. ::)
as for muscle mass alex23 is comparible and he's been natural for a good while now.
says it all really.
this is the end for doggcrapp, or is it just crapp now.
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are you kidding me ?
he's so fat he has rolls on his shoulders :o
he's on more than 1g of test a week, and is fatter than dave tate on a bulking cycle. ::)
as for muscle mass alex23 is comparible and he's been natural for a good while now.
says it all really.
this is the end for doggcrapp, or is it just crapp now.
Please enlighten us with your amazing build panda. If you saw Dante in person, you would realize how NOT FAT he is, and how small you are. He is an elite bodybuilder, but ofcourse you think that he is fat and on tons of roids. It's the internet after all.
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Please enlighten us with your amazing build panda. If you saw Dante in person, you would realize how NOT FAT he is, and how small you are. He is an elite bodybuilder, but ofcourse you think that he is fat and on tons of roids. It's the internet after all.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahaha an elite bodybuilder ? hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha
his shoulders have rolls of fat ::)
what competitions has he entered to earn the title elite bodybuilder ? what shows has he won ? does he have a pro card ? has he ever even competed ?
he's just a fat guy who takes a lot of drugs and lifts weights - not unlike myself minus the boatloads of drugs :D
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Agreed with Bluto and FatPanda. Nothing all that new or different.
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are you kidding me ?
he's so fat he has rolls on his shoulders :o
he's on more than 1g of test a week, and is fatter than dave tate on a bulking cycle. ::)
as for muscle mass alex23 is comparible and he's been natural for a good while now.
says it all really.
this is the end for doggcrapp, or is it just crapp now.
Hey I cant help it Panda if my traps and shoulders bump into each other and start to overlap.....since you are so very upset every time my name is mentioned on this board so much so that you are about to blow your top....heres another one for you (with my shoulders down just for you) so you can get your blood pressure back in check. 1 g of test a week? I wish....can you talk to my doctor? He has me on 1/5th that.
What am I going to see next from you? Eight sweaters on with a snowsuit covering everything doing a front double bicep? 15 pairs of longjohns, 3 pairs of corduroy pants and some Zubaz baggies doing a quad shot?
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are you kidding me ?
he's so fat he has rolls on his shoulders :o
he's on more than 1g of test a week, and is fatter than dave tate on a bulking cycle. ::)
as for muscle mass alex23 is comparible and he's been natural for a good while now.
says it all really.
this is the end for doggcrapp, or is it just crapp now.
nonesense... Dante destroys everyone within an 80 miles radius down here... the only one that comes close is liquid_c who trains at my gym....
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Hey I cant help it Panda if my traps and shoulders bump into each other and start to overlap.....since you are so very upset every time my name is mentioned on this board so much so that you are about to blow your top....heres another one for you (with my shoulders down just for you) so you can get your blood pressure back in check. 1 g of test a week? I wish....can you talk to my doctor? He has me on 1/5th that.
What am I going to see next from you? Eight sweaters on with a snowsuit covering everything doing a front double bicep? 15 pairs of longjohns, 3 pairs of corduroy pants and some Zubaz baggies doing a quad shot?
really less than 1g of test ? why then do you state and i quote you here "The cheapest and best stack I can think of anyone doing to put on major size is a gram or two of test with arimidex to keep water off with fina 75 to 150mg every other day for 4 weeks --then 2 to 3 weeks of cruising (test at 300-400mg and clomid at 5 (day one), 4(day two), 3(day three),then 2 every day for 2 weeks)--and then back on everything full again (maybe equipoise used instead of fina this time)for 4 weeks (then 2 to 3 weeks cruising again etc etc)" ::)
hmmm, synthol filled fat shoulders, a 45-50" gut, skin is deep purple in colour, oh and classic squadfather lighting for those pics, could you not get it any darker or not find a reflection of a dirty grill.
yes really impressive.
dante = delusion
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really less than 1g of test ? why then do you state and i quote you here "The cheapest and best stack I can think of anyone doing to put on major size is a gram or two of test with arimidex to keep water off with fina 75 to 150mg every other day for 4 weeks --then 2 to 3 weeks of cruising (test at 300-400mg and clomid at 5 (day one), 4(day two), 3(day three),then 2 every day for 2 weeks)--and then back on everything full again (maybe equipoise used instead of fina this time)for 4 weeks (then 2 to 3 weeks cruising again etc etc)" ::)
hmmm, synthol filled fat shoulders, a 45-50" gut, skin is deep purple in colour, oh and classic squadfather lighting for those pics, could you not get it any darker or not find a reflection of a dirty grill.
yes really impressive.
dante = delusion
You have much hate in your limey heart. Yet you have yet to post a picture. So............POST A PICTURE
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You have much hate in your limey heart. Yet you have yet to post a picture. So............POST A PICTURE
limey = wrong country
oh and be careful wiggs.
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limey = wrong country
oh and be careful wiggs.
Ok you're a Scottsman ::)
I've posted many of my pics so there will be no onslaught of me, I do so out of pure comic genius ::)
Don't get off subject....WHERE ARE YOUR PICS??? You don't seem to want to give credit where it's due to Dante. Let's see what you're sportin' champ.
There's nothing you're gonna say to hurt my feelings. You're the one melting down over Dante.
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really less than 1g of test ? why then do you state and i quote you here "The cheapest and best stack I can think of anyone doing to put on major size is a gram or two of test with arimidex to keep water off with fina 75 to 150mg every other day for 4 weeks --then 2 to 3 weeks of cruising (test at 300-400mg and clomid at 5 (day one), 4(day two), 3(day three),then 2 every day for 2 weeks)--and then back on everything full again (maybe equipoise used instead of fina this time)for 4 weeks (then 2 to 3 weeks cruising again etc etc)" ::)
hmmm, synthol filled fat shoulders, a 45-50" gut, skin is deep purple in colour, oh and classic squadfather lighting for those pics, could you not get it any darker or not find a reflection of a dirty grill.
yes really impressive.
dante = delusion
Do you have any idea when that was written? late 1999 when I was talking to a bunch of large bbers on a message board who were using year round at extreme dosages looking for rare compounds. So i told them what I had seen other superheavyweights in California do...and thats what I had seen them do.....in 1999....who was president then? Clinton?
Wiggs this is the awesome 290 pound specimen known as Fat Panda and I quote him "im 5'11" and in that pic i'm around 290 (WITHOUT EVET TOUCHING GEAR) - trust me i have built a significan amount of mass"
I asked him to put the proof in the pudding about what he is bragging about and he sent a picture of a guy who likes pudding
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am i the only one thats noticed that dante's probly got one of the thickest chests around, very impressive!!
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am i the only one thats noticed that dante's probly got one of the thickest chests around, very impressive!!
Dante's Chest make Optimus Prime Jealous.
(http://mattcbr.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/optimus-prime.jpg)
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Ok you're a Scottsman ::)
I've posted many of my pics so there will be no onslaught of me, I do so out of pure comic genius ::)
Don't get off subject....WHERE ARE YOUR PICS??? You don't seem to want to give credit where it's due to Dante. Let's see what you're sportin' champ.
There's nothing you're gonna say to hurt my feelings. You're the one melting down over Dante.
i have posted a pic - see the one dante likes to post of me.
however i am aware you mean you want pics of me in speedo's hugging meat :-X
where are your pics in speedo's ? or thong ?
Do you have any idea when that was written? late 1999 when I was talking to a bunch of large bbers on a message board who were using year round at extreme dosages looking for rare compounds. So i told them what I had seen other superheavyweights in California do...and thats what I had seen them do.....in 1999....who was president then? Clinton?
Wiggs this is the awesome 290 pound specimen known as Fat Panda and I quote him "im 5'11" and in that pic i'm around 290 (WITHOUT EVET TOUCHING GEAR) - trust me i have built a significan amount of mass"
I asked him to put the proof in the pudding about what he is bragging about and he sent a picture of a guy who likes pudding
hahahahaha ::) i'm sure it was. i'm sure you never touched the stuff ::)
again i have provided pic after pic of you while on 1g + gear a week in that other thread showing , a 45-50" waist, fat folds on your shoulders ( ultimatre sign of fatness) purple skin, red face, blotches, synthol filled shoulders and tri's, with arms still terrible arms,
yet you still call me fat ??? hahahahahaha
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yet you still call me fat ??? hahahahahaha
"Fat"Panda, why don't you settle the score and post your pic?
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Nice wheels on the white benz. CLS....nice.
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"Fat"Panda, why don't you settle the score and post your pic?
i'm not claiming i'm slim ???
however neither are you, wiggs, or dante yet you feel you can insult others for being fat ?
i'm mearly pointing out to the dc devotees that dante is no elite bodybuilder, nor even a bodybuilder.
he's like you, a fat guy who takes gear and lifts weights, nothing more.
he nor you have ever got shredded.
am i telling lies here ?
is he not a fat guy who has some muscle mass?
is he not on 1g test minimum a week + insulin.
has he not abused synthol?
does he not pimp his ultra high proteoin diet, while selling protein ::)
does he not steal others ideas and pass them of as his own?
at 290 i also had lots of muscle mass, however i am not delusional like you 2 seem to be. i know i was fat also, you 2 seem to think fat = all muscle. it is not.
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i'm not claiming i'm slim ???
however neither are you, wiggs, or dante yet you feel you can insult others for being fat ?
i'm mearly pointing out to the dc devotees that dante is no elite bodybuilder, nor even a bodybuilder.
he's like you, a fat guy who takes gear and lifts weights, nothing more.
he nor you have ever got shredded.
am i telling lies here ?
is he not a fat guy who has some muscle mass?
is he not on 1g test minimum a week + insulin.
has he not abused synthol?
does he not pimp his ultra high proteoin diet, while selling protein ::)
does he not steal others ideas and pass them of as his own?
at 290 i also had lots of muscle mass, however i am not delusional like you 2 seem to be. i know i was fat also, you 2 seem to think fat = all muscle. it is not.
You don't have to oil up :-X A shot like Dante's would have been fine.
Clearly, Dante is not fat. Maybe by bodybuilding standards not by normal people standards.
Since you feel compelled to berate him so much I felt it was only fair you post a pic not in a suit. I've never insulted others for being fat...unless I was in shape ;D or they were severly obese.
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Wiggs, Fatpanda is obviously still butthurt that Dante told him like it was and threw him off of his board a few years back. Dante may not remember, but he was the recipient of the ban hammer at IM.
Jason
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You don't have to oil up :-X A shot like Dante's would have been fine.
Clearly, Dante is not fat. Maybe by bodybuilding standards not by normal people standards.
Since you feel compelled to berate him so much I felt it was only fair you post a pic not in a suit. I've never insulted others for being fat...unless I was in shape ;D or they were severly obese.
sure,where is your oiled up pics though ?
Wiggs, Fatpanda is obviously still butthurt that Dante told him like it was and threw him off of his board a few years back. Dante may not remember, but he was the recipient of the ban hammer at IM.
Jason
another fat = muscle guy to the rescue ::)
i can go back to any dc thread on getbig and it goes the same way. Someone tell the truth about dante and 4 or 5 ass kissers crawl out of the woodwork to defend him - all fat too ::)
and jason i would not frequent a board that is based purely on ass kising someone and telling them they look great when they are overweight - maybe you would like it though :-\
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sure,where is your oiled up pics though ?
another fat = muscle guy to the rescue ::)
i can go back to any dc thread on getbig and it goes the same way. Someone tell the truth about dante and 4 or 5 ass kissers crawl out of the woodwork to defend him - all fat too ::)
and jason i would not frequent a board that is based purely on ass kising someone and telling them they look great when they are overweight - maybe you would like it though :-\
I hate to say this but that's a hefty meltdown right there...
Post a pic or shut your mouth.
King23 has spoken. Dante 1 FatPanda 0
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff301/torquer23/_web8.jpg)
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I hate to say this but that's a hefty meltdown.
Post a pic or shut your mouth.
King23 has spoken.
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff301/torquer23/_web8.jpg)
"he" won't post a picture because he's 169 pounds of skinny/fat yet he comes off as a training expert, hahahahaha, "fatpanda".
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"he" won't post a picture because he's 169 pounds of skinny/fat yet he comes off as a training expert, hahahahaha, "fatpanda".
wheres your pic big man ? hahahahahahahahaha
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"he" won't post a picture because he's 169 pounds of skinny/fat yet he comes off as a training expert, hahahahaha, "fatpanda".
hahaha, are you saying that "fatpanda" is still recovering from his anal wreckage he endured over and over on IntenseMuscle?
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wheres your pic big man ? hahahahahahahahaha
it's been posted hundreds of times.
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Dante and Alex23 easily PWN FatPanda. There is no competition when the two totally out-muscle a non-entity that refuses to even produce a single piece of photographic evidence of his surely pitiful self.
Dante, I am impressed with the size you have held for so many years.
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Dante and Alex23 easily PWN FatPanda. There is no competition when the two totally out-muscle a non-entity that refuses to even produce a single piece of photographic evidence of his surely pitiful self.
Dante, I am impressed with the size you have held for so many years.
Thanks The True Adonis. FatPanda obviously got overexcited... he'll know better next time.
this is is cue to walk away with his tail tucked in.
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sure,where is your oiled up pics though ?
another fat = muscle guy to the rescue ::)
i can go back to any dc thread on getbig and it goes the same way. Someone tell the truth about dante and 4 or 5 ass kissers crawl out of the woodwork to defend him - all fat too ::)
and jason i would not frequent a board that is based purely on ass kising someone and telling them they look great when they are overweight - maybe you would like it though :-\
I am defending Dante and Alex and I am not fat. What is your excuse for NOT posting a picture? Clearly we get it. You are ashamed of what little you have obtained and therefore have relatively nothing to show for all the minutes wasted quixotically in whatever hovel you choose to hang your exercise band and kettle ball in. Realize that you are at the bottom of the class of Getbig.
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it's been posted hundreds of times.
hahahahahaha i'm talking about a clear pic. ;)
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hahahahahaha i'm talking about a clear pic. ;)
it's clear enough, have you even posted ONE of yourself?
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I am defending Dante and Alex and I am not fat. What is your excuse for NOT posting a picture? Clearly we get it. You are ashamed of what little you have obtained and therefore have relatively nothing to show for all the minutes wasted quixotically in whatever hovel you choose to hang your exercise band and kettle ball in. Realize that you are at the bottom of the class of Getbig.
you have been exposed a beiong a gear user and have been fat :D
oh by the way where is that scientific explination as to how one would increase muscle mass while on a reduced calorie diet ?
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it's clear enough, have you even posted ONE of yourself?
i'm 100% sure i speak for the whole of getbig when i tell you is was NOT clear enough.
hope this helps.
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you have been exposed a beiong a gear user and have been fat :D
oh by the way where is that scientific explination as to how one would increase muscle mass while on a reduced calorie diet ?
If you think me being self-chosen into obesity somehow equates into that I must have used steroids to get fat, than you are just plain dumb.
Please show me your evidence. I can`t wait to see what lie you will thrust forth to prove a false thesis. Its quite improbable to prove anything when the basis of your charge is a lie.
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you have been exposed a beiong a gear user and have been fat :D
oh by the way where is that scientific explination as to how one would increase muscle mass while on a reduced calorie diet ?
hahahahaha, Adonis was huge in those shots and owns you in every way possible................ ..post your picture.
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If you think me being self-chosen into obesity somehow equates into that I must have used steroids to get fat, than you are just plain dumb.
Please show me your evidence. I can`t wait to see what lie you will thrust forth to prove a false thesis.
elite fitness has many threads from you a.k.a. the 'steal beast' admiting gear use.
as for dumb, you have ran from my discussions time and time again, you constantly fail to give logical arguments or science to back up your claims.
you post nothing by google page after google page of nonsense whioe ignoring any questions. just like you did to the one above.
you are out of your depth.
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hahahahaha, Adonis was huge in those shots and owns you in every way possible................ ..post your picture.
sure, straight after you post a clear pic big stuff.
by the way, i'll be over in your state soon and will be looking to buy a car to help me get around can you recommend anyone who can get me a good deal ?
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Who in the FUCK would read that version of War & Peace you cu & pasted. Holy Shit
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Who in the FUCK would read that version of War & Peace you cu & pasted. Holy Shit
There's a lot of interesting stuff there.
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sure, straight after you post a clear pic big stuff.
by the way, i'll be over in your state soon and will be looking to buy a car to help me get around can you recommend anyone who can get me a good deal ?
sure no problem, post up your picture so i know who to look for.
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sure no problem, post up your picture so i know who to look for.
don't worry about it, i got a number of a nice girl who can help me out perhaps you know her ?
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elite fitness has many threads from you a.k.a. the 'steal beast' admiting gear use.
as for dumb, you have ran from my discussions time and time again, you constantly fail to give logical arguments or science to back up your claims.
you post nothing by google page after google page of nonsense whioe ignoring any questions. just like you did to the one above.
you are out of your depth.
Please post them. I would like to see them. Since you claim they exist, where are they?
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Please post them. I would like to see them. Since you claim they exist, where are they?
unlike you i prefer not to hunt through pages of google or in this case elite fitness to prove or disprove your lies.
i am not alone in reading about your gear usage, i'm sure many others here can verify my claims.
or perhaps you have since deleted all your threads ?
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unlike you i prefer not to hunt through pages of google or in this case elite fitness to prove or disprove your lies.
i am not alone in reading about your gear usage, i'm sure many others here can verify my claims.
or perhaps you have since deleted all your threads ?
So you admit none exists since you have nothing to produce?
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you have been exposed a beiong a gear user and have been fat :D
oh by the way where is that scientific explination as to how one would increase muscle mass while on a reduced calorie diet ?
Adonis looking pretty solid and honest right there....
FatPanda... you seem very reluctant to post your pic...
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don't worry about it, i got a number of a nice girl who can help me out perhaps you know her ?
::)
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So you admit none exists since you have nothing to produce?
this is where your lack of intellect lets you down.
i did not admit none exist, i mearly put forward the suggestion that you have deleted all the evidence.
::)
is there something quaker ?
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this is where your lack of intellect lets you down.
i did not admit none exist, i mearly put forward the suggestion that you have deleted all the evidence.
is there something quaker ?
epic taking the intermet too far and looking for personal info, i could care lees about yours.
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epic taking the intermet too far and looking for personal info, i could care lees about yours.
hahahahahahaha
wheres that pic big guy ?
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hahahahahahaha
wheres that pic big guy ?
like i said you've seen it and so has evryone else, NOBODY hs seen yours.
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this is where your lack of intellect lets you down.
i did not admit none exist, i mearly put forward the suggestion that you have deleted all the evidence.
is there something quaker ?
That makes zero sense. If I supposedly deleted evidence that existed, how would have you or anyone seen any evidence in the first place? Oh wait, I know, Because none exists.
You are digging yourself deeper in your illogical hole. What else do you have? Lets see what other myth or lie you try to cling to.
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this is where your lack of intellect lets you down.
i did not admit none exist, i mearly put forward the suggestion that you have deleted all the evidence.
is there something quaker ?
Log off your computer and go to sleep you're getting "Americ-owned".
Same ol' bullshit...talk alot of shit and and produce nothing. Shut your fat scottish mouth Angus.
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hahahahahahaha
wheres that pic big guy ?
Wow, you're all over the place "big guy"... brutal slipping into panic mode and going for the personal attacks...
produce a pic.
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If FatPanda is indeed the same guy as Pandaemonium (didn't he delete his account ten sign up again), then his photo is already up.
The Luke
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Wow, you're all over the place "big guy"... brutal slipping into panic mode and going for the personal attacks...
produce a pic.
He does that when he's cornered. He's not representing Scottland well :-\
I almost feel ashamed my white side is Scottish.
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Wow, you're all over the place "big guy"... brutal slipping into panic mode and going for the personal attacks...
produce a pic.
hahahaha, same old "i've got aerial surveillance of iour house and work and 3rd grade report card" after asking for a picture. ::)
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That makes zero sense. If I supposedly deleted evidence that existed, how would have you or anyone seen any evidence in the first place? Oh wait, I know, Because none exists.
You are digging yourself deeper in your illogical hole. What else do you have? Lets see what other myth or lie you try to cling to.
i can feel myself getting dumber with every post i engage you in.
you have admitted steroid use on elite in the past, then more recently have pretended to claim natural status - like many on getbig.
you then went back to elite and deleted those posts, to help cover your lies.
is that clear enough for your febble brain ?
Wow, you're all over the place "big guy"... brutal slipping into panic mode and going for the personal attacks...
produce a pic.
how exactly did you get all that from me asking for a pic?
where is the personal attack ? where is the panic ?
it seems you like to create senarios where none exist. :-\
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i can feel myself getting dumber with every post i engage you in.
you have admitted steroid use on elite in the past, then more recently have pretended to claim natural status - like many on getbig.
you then went back to elite and deleted those posts, to help cover your lies.
is that clear enough for your febble brain ?
how exactly did you get all that from me asking for a pic?
where is the personal attack ? where is the panic ?
it seems you like to create senarios where none exist. :-\
As smooth as a pine cone slipping in a butthole.... props... now let's see some pics.
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Log off your computer and go to sleep you're getting "Americ-owned".
Same ol' bullshit...talk alot of shit and and produce nothing. Shut your fat scottish mouth Angus.
ok wiggs, squad, alex, and adonnis
post 1 clear pic each full frontal in shorts on this thread.
and i will do the same, of me at my worse after a year layoff eating whatever i liked and with 2 torn rotators. ( pretty bad, and plenty of owning material to last a lifetime)
you all match it and i will too.
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He does that when he's cornered. He's not representing Scottland well :-\
I almost feel ashamed my white side is Scottish.
not as ashamed as me :-\
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ok wiggs, squad, alex, and adonnis
post 1 clear pic each full frontal in shorts on this thread.
and i will do the same, of me at my worse after a year layoff eating whatever i liked and with 2 torn rotators. ( pretty bad, and plenty of owning material to last a lifetime)
you all match it and i will too.
epic trying to trio us in "shorts"... I believe we've all produced several photo specimens, some bad some good...
ur turn...
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epic trying to trio us in "shorts"... I believe we've all produced several photo specimens, some bad some good...
ur turn...
no you all havn't. i want to see legs, waist, chest arms with no arm across the belly.
a clear front relaxed is fine.
if you all do this i will do it also.
you have my word.
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i can feel myself getting dumber with every post i engage you in.
you have admitted steroid use on elite in the past, then more recently have pretended to claim natural status - like many on getbig.
you then went back to elite and deleted those posts, to help cover your lies.
is that clear enough for your febble brain ?
how exactly did you get all that from me asking for a pic?
where is the personal attack ? where is the panic ?
it seems you like to create senarios where none exist. :-\
How have I pretended to claim natural status? ??? How can someone pretend to claim a truth? I assure you that I am too much of a nancy-boy to even come close to using any kind of steroid. I shudder at the mere thought of it.
I wish you could provide some sort of evidence. I think you are trying to convince yourself of your own fable. My question to you is why?
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How have I pretended to claim natural status? ??? How can someone pretend to claim a truth? I assure you that I am too much of a nancy-boy to even come close to using any kind of steroid. I shudder at the mere thought of it.
I wish you could provide some sort of evidence. I think you are trying to convince yourself of your own fable. My question to you is why?
He is obviously delusional. Anyone that thinks you at 160 and gassed has a screw loose.
Jason
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no you all havn't. i want to see legs, waist, chest arms with no arm across the belly.
a clear front relaxed is fine.
if you all do this i will do it also.
you have my word.
Did you forget that I have posted a ton of pictures and that I did the first Mr. Getbig?
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Did you forget that I have posted a ton of pictures and that I did the first Mr. Getbig?
i would prefer a recent pic, as you have been claiming you have been in better condition recently than then, and been able to hold it 'easily'. however if you would prefer not to prove your claims once again and own yourself, i will accept the years old pics in the knowledge i have beaten you.
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ok wiggs, squad, alex, and adonnis
post 1 clear pic each full frontal in shorts on this thread.
and i will do the same, of me at my worse after a year layoff eating whatever i liked and with 2 torn rotators. ( pretty bad, and plenty of owning material to last a lifetime)
you all match it and i will too.
they have al posted their pictures, you are trying to buy time to get out of the hole you dug yourself into.
Adam, Alex and Dave have all posted the pictures you need. post up your picture and we can judge already, no need for you place imaginary obstacles in the way. they already have ALL provided you with the pictures you need.
it sound to me like you scared and this is ok but be honest about it.
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they have al posted their pictures, you are trying to buy time to get out of the hole you dug yourself into.
Adam, Alex and Dave have all posted the pictures you need. post up your picture and we can judge already, no need for you place imaginary obstacles in the way. they already have ALL provided you with the pictures you need.
it sound to me like you scared and this is ok but be honest about it.
my picture has been posted by dante, wheres yours ?
i have laid down an open challenge t all the so called real americans.
wiggs challenged my heritage, and claimed i was insulting scotland.
i am waiting on a response.
i would like a clear front relaxed shot for each of them, showing legs with no arms covering guts like dante and squad like to do.
if fact, why don't you join in and post a pic along with them if you like ? i won't hold my breath.
basically i have owned you all in this thread. you are all talk.
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i would prefer a recent pic, as you have been claiming you have been in better condition recently than then, and been able to hold it 'easily'. however if you would prefer not to prove your claims once again and own yourself, i will accept the recent pics in the knowledge i have beaten you.
Here.
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my picture has been posted by dante, wheres yours ?
i would like a clear front relaxed shot for each of them, showing legs with no arms covering guts like dante and squad like to do.
if fact, why don't you join in and post a pic along with them if you like ? i won't hold my breath.
basically i have owned you all in this thread. you are all talk.
see, I am right: you are scared and buying time, creating impossible and unreasonable demands. I don't judge you harshly for this but I think you must admit your fear and that you will not post a picture for compare. This is far enough but don't be a coward about this. You know that Adam, Alex and also Dave too have posted shots that give a clear showing of their physiques. You could quite easily upload a picture for compare. You instead demand them to run off and all 4 of them take new pictures straight way in shorts and stupid shit you demand. You KNOW this won't happen so you feel secure you can say you offered to post the picture of yourself.
Look, we all know what you doing. Just stop this charade and admit you are shy and will not post a picture but want to try to make it look like you would have.
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Here.
FRONT RELAXED -SHORTS - NO ARMS ACROSS BODY.
hope this helps.
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FRONT RELAXED -SHORTS - NO ARMS ACROSS BODY.
hope this helps.
;)
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FRONT RELAXED -SHORTS - NO ARMS ACROSS BODY.
hope this helps.
look, stop the game you are playing. you know that four people will not all rush off and take new pictures to your exact demands. They have ALL posted pictures that you could easily compare yourself with. This is not working, you are not salvaging yourself any respect here. It is getting more embarrassing and painful to see you desperately try to withdraw with some dignity. Accept your losses and pull out, pull out now man.
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see, I am right: you are scared and buying time, creating impossible and unreasonable demands. I don't judge you harshly for this but I think you must admit your fear and that you will not post a picture for compare. This is far enough but don't be a coward about this. You know that Adam, Alex and also Dave too have posted shots that give a clear showing of their physiques. You could quite easily upload a picture for compare. You instead demand them to run off and all 4 of them take new pictures straight way in shorts and stupid shit you demand. You KNOW this won't happen so you feel secure you can say you offered to post the picture of yourself.
Look, we all know what you doing. Just stop this charade and admit you are shy and will not post a picture but want to try to make it look like you would have.
i have posted a pic ( see above) you have not.
you claim i am scared to post a pic, i am not.
i am fat, i look bad, and i do not want to post a pic in this state. i would rather wait untill i get my mass back after my long layoff from lifting due to rotator injuries. if i looked like dexter jackson i'd be throwing pics up here all day long.
i'm not alone in not wanting to post a pic while looking bad.
however you seem to be mistaking me for a simpleton like adonis.
you think by ignoring requests for pics of yourself you can flame away and engage in a pic challenge thread.
WHERE IS YOUR PIC ???
this was started by dante nuthuggers defending him against simple truths. None of which could be denied.
instead wiggs, alex, adonis, dante and squad tried to atack and own me - despite all looking poor.
they mistook my not wanting to post pics as shame or fear - it was/is not.
the challenge is back to them. however there is no challenge.
this scotsman has single handedly owned 5, or 6 if you want to include you of getbigs biggest losers.
macowned.
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;)
so you DO prefer not to prove your claims once again and own yourself. ::)
i accept the years old pics in the knowledge i have beaten you.
1 OF 4 RECIEVED.
3 TO GO.
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so you DO prefer not to prove your claims once again and own yourself. ::)
i accept the years old pics in the knowledge i have beaten you.
1 OF 4 RECIEVED.
3 TO GO.
What exactly do you want?
One of the Pics I posted above is from This October/November.
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What exactly do you want?
One of the Pics I posted above is from This October/November.
can you read ? i have made it extremely clear what i want.
a front relaxed fron the same period or today if possible.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=209947.0;attach=293932;image)
do you find it difficult to lose that belly fat you have around your navel? thats supposed to be the last bit of fat to go.
I was actually fat in that picture. That is from the first Mr. Getbig. I simply ran out of time as I was coming down from that massively obese 230 lbs.
Here it is gone. About 8 lbs less here and gone.
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hmmmm
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Adonis don't play into his bs. We all have pics on the site and he can find them. He'll never post his pic. He already has excuses ready, two torn cuffs, haven't worked out in a long time (stole that from me), fat, in a wheelchair, paraplegic, albino, blah, blah, blah.
Each time he opens his mouth he sinks deeper into a swamp of dumb. ::)
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Adonis don't play into his bs. We all have pics on the site and he can find them. He'll never post his pic. He already has excuses ready, two torn cuffs, haven't worked out in a long time (stole that from me), fat, in a wheelchair, paraplegic, albino, blah, blah, blah.
Each time he opens his mouth he sinks deeper into a swamp of dumb. ::)
i thought you would say that wiggy.
what happened to the real american heros ::).
you have been owned beyong belief on this thread. The mentality of you 6 is as clear as crystal to me.
you will never post a front relaxed pose in shorts as you are fat and look like you don;t even workout, neither will quaker, alex may as his delusion runs deep but you will notice he does the usual hid the belly via an arm pose often. revealing his shame.
Adonis has only posted pics when it suits him, he used to claim he can get ripped eating icecream and chocolate, yet he was exposed as a liar. He more recently claimed to had worked out a formula ( read it online more like) to allow him to get ripped with little ease, yet all we see from this magical time is a twisting side shot in a darkened room. He then pulls out of mr getbig claiming he didn't have the time, but was sure he would have won it had he. ::) so basically he didn;t havethe time to take 5 mins out of his day to earn a few thousand $.
liars and delusionals - pathetic.
do not waste my time with this nonsense again.
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i am fat, i look bad, and i do not want to post a pic in this state. i'm not alone in not wanting to post a pic while looking bad.
HAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HAHAHAHHHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is what out of shape, no gym for fucking 3-4 month eating shit, lickign pussies and drinking your heart out looks like.......
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff301/torquer23/0xf566bb.jpg)
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff301/torquer23/0ff67b.jpg)
yet no shame...
You call Dante out, get your ass handled to you by core-getbig. Go to bed, start over.
You've been getbigerminated.
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i thought you would say that wiggy.
what happened to the real american heros ::).
you have been owned beyong belief on this thread. The mentality of you 6 is as clear as crystal to me.
you will never post a front relaxed pose in shorts as you are fat and look like you don;t even workout, neither will quaker, alex may as his delusion runs deep but you will notice he does the usual hid the belly via an arm pose often. revealing his shame.
Adonis has only posted pics when it suits him, he used to claim he can get ripped eating icecream and chocolate, yet he was exposed as a liar. He more recently claimed to had worked out a formula ( read it online more like) to allow him to get ripped with little ease, yet all we see from this magical time is a twisting side shot in a darkened room. He then pulls out of mr getbig claiming he didn't have the time, but was sure he would have won it had he. ::) so basically he didn;t havethe time to take 5 mins out of his day to earn a few thousand $.
liars and delusionals - pathetic.
do not waste my time with this nonsense again.
Piss off, you've proved nothing. All that and yet, still no pic. ::) I'm done with you.
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HAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HAHAHAHHHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is what out of shape, no gym for fucking 3-4 month eating shit, lickign pussies and drinking your heart out looks like.......
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff301/torquer23/0xf566bb.jpg)
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff301/torquer23/0ff67b.jpg)
yet no shame...
You call Dante out, get your ass handled to you by core-getbig. Go to bed, start over.
You've been getbigerminated.
Awesome Kitchen! Now THAT is something most impressive which most on here would know nothing about as all they need is a cracked up economy microwave and a bathroom sink. The Tiffany Stained Glass look of the cabinets is beautiful. I could cook some awesome meals there Alex. If ever Jezebelle and I are in the area, we will personally cook you a meal in your kitchen.
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You call Dante out, get your ass handled to you by core-getbig. Go to bed, start over.
You've been getbigerminated.
pathetic, still defending dante dogshit, with no facts.
still none have contested my claims, nor defended dante the almighty gut, you simply type ' fat fat fat' panda post a pic ::)
on one in his right mind would think dante looks good - fact.
as for your retarded face pictures - petty about the arms over the gut pose as usual ::) it is not exactly what i asked for, as i want to see the gut you are so clearly ashamed of - but i iunderstand your fear and accept it as 1 of the 4.
2 down 2 to go.
wiggy ? quaker ?
Piss off, you've proved nothing. All that and yet, still no pic. ::) I'm done with you.
pathetic - another fat man who doesn't workout scared to post a pic, yet trys to divert attention by saying 'i'm done' hahahahaha ::)
adonis will not post a recent pic, alex won't post a pic without his arms covering his gut, squad wont post a clear pic EVER and you will not let the world see your fat zero muscle body, and further expose the fact you are only here to get sexual kicks from looking at guys ::)
this owning is too easy.
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pathetic, still defending dante dogshit, with no facts.
still none have contested my claims, nor defended dante the almighty gut, you simply type ' fat fat fat' panda post a pic ::)
on one in his right mind would think dante looks good - fact.
as for your retarded face pictures - petty about the arms over the gut pose as usual ::) it is not exactly what i asked for, as i want to see the gut you are so clearly ashamed of - but i iunderstand your fear and accept it as 1 of the 4.
2 down 2 to go.
wiggy ? quaker ?
pathetic - another fat man who doesn't workout scared to post a pic, yet trys to divert attention by saying 'i'm done' hahahahaha ::)
adonis will not post a recent pic, alex won't post a pic without his arms covering his gut, squad wont post a clear pic EVER and you will not let the world see your fat zero muscle body, and further expose the fact you are only here to get sexual kicks from looking at guys ::)
this owning is too easy.
What do you know about this? 8)
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i think eating meat is a strain on the digestive and immune system
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i think eating meat is a strain on the digestive and immune system
Why?
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What do you know about this? 8)
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its a university i attended ::)
is that supposed to scare me hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha
oh how the mighty have fallen.
i've owned you so badly you have hunted through my 2500 posts to find quotes from over 2 years ago to support your argument - a major fail by the way.
now you are hunting for personal info hahahahahahahahahahahaha
i own your mind beyond belief.
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Fellow GetBiggers,
Can't we just admit that we are a forum comprising only bottom-twink non-lifting Pee-Wee Hermans, and that no one is ever going to post a picture? This back and forth is tiresome.
Now to get this thread back on track, let's address the questions everyone here obviously wants Dante to answer:
-What's up with the outer tricep head? Looks suspect.
-How can a 300 lb steroid monster have a T shaped rear lat spread? The shoulder width is sensational, but the lats seem (relatively) thin and stringy.
If his lats and biceps are both so underdeveloped (relative to the rest of him, and he admits they are lagging) it would seem to imply some sort of nerve-impingement injury relating to the upper body pull muscle chain. Does Dante have such an injury? Ruptured disk?
The Luke
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dante, what do you have to say about this post dissing getbig?
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Thats the second time youve asked that....what about it?
I stand by everything I said there--100% absolutely.
If you tell a guy who is going through some heartbreaking health problems that its too bad he didnt die....
If you tell a pro bodybuilder his wife is a horse faced whore when she has nothing to do with the sport.....
etc etc etc etc etc etc
then I think thats 100% absolutely wrong.
So George Lincoln Rockwell....if your mother has a debilitating stroke tonight and it is found out that happened....and someone posts "Hope your bitch of a mother ends up a drooling vegetable in a wheel chair" .....thats fine and dandy by you? Freedom of speech?
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-How can a 300 lb steroid monster have a T shaped rear lat spread? The shoulder width is sensational, but the lats seem (relatively) thin and stringy.
If his lats and biceps are both so underdeveloped (relative to the rest of him, and he admits they are lagging) it would seem to imply some sort of nerve-impingement injury relating to the upper body pull muscle chain. Does Dante have such an injury? Ruptured disk?
The Luke
Sure I can answer that for you.....unlike many dreamers online who think they have pro genetics....I never did and don't. Its called "living in reality" Alot of people dont have that mindset. You cant start with this (a bag of bones 137 pounds at 20 years old-attached) with no lats to speak of coming out of the armpit....and end up with Ronnie Colemans back. Regardless I did ok for myself with what I was given to work with from mom and pop. Pro card? Nope.....but show me another guy who gained 166 pounds onto his frame and Ill be the first one to applaud him....I know how hard it was.
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Sure I can answer that for you.....unlike many dreamers online who think they have pro genetics....I never did and don't. Its called "living in reality" Alot of people dont have that mindset. You cant start with this (a bag of bones 137 pounds at 20 years old-attached) with no lats to speak of coming out of the armpit....and end up with Ronnie Colemans back. Regardless I did ok for myself with what I was given to work with from mom and pop. Pro card? Nope.....but show me another guy who gained 166 pounds onto his frame and Ill be the first one to applaud him....I know how hard it was.
...no nerve impingement? No ruptured discs or lumbar injury?
Granted, the lat insertions seem pretty high, but they still seem very thin... with the flat biceps problem you alluded to it would seem to point to some kind of muscle-chain problem?
What do you row?... and what sort of rows do you do?
The Luke
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D................what's on your head!??!?!?!??!?!??!??!?!??!??!?!??!??!?!??!?!??!?!??!??!??!?!?!??!??!??!?!??!?!?
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Fatpanda is 100% right on one thing: you can't say fuck all about this Dante lardass without being jumped on by jock surfers.
Doggcrapp looks like a fat piece of pig blubber pumped full of bodybuilding drugs.
For this fat bitch to come here with his broken vagina after slamming Ron Avidan and demanding heavy censorship and modding, fuck off you fat drug-soaked meatloaf-a-like.
This bitch is always moaning and acts like a schoolgirl when someone posts something he doesn't like - and let's face it, unless your cleaning the rancid shit outta his obese mofo anus, then this fucker will find something to get offended by.
Fuck off back to your trough you enemy of getbig, snake oil salesman, lardbucket.
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Fatpanda is 100% right on one thing: you can't say fuck all about this Dante lardass without being jumped on by jock surfers.
Doggcrapp looks like a fat piece of pig blubber pumped full of bodybuilding drugs.
For this fat bitch to come here with his broken vagina after slamming Ron Avidan and demanding heavy censorship and modding, fuck off you fat drug-soaked meatloaf-a-like.
This bitch is always moaning and acts like a schoolgirl when someone posts something he doesn't like - and let's face it, unless your cleaning the rancid shit outta his obese mofo anus, then this fucker will find something to get offended by.
Fuck off back to your trough you enemy of getbig, snake oil salesman, lardbucket.
Dante = inside your gimmick head.
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Dante = inside your gimmick head.
Pretty lame and predictable response, of course if it was slamming Fatpanda you'd be praising it.
Dante is a sickening lump of fatshit who slammed this site and Ron. Get your head together.
I'm giving you a pass on this one, only cuz I like you.
Next time you go down with this steroid addled walrus/lardass
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doggcrap/dante-do you still eat alot of meat or have you switched to a high carb /protien approach
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deltsaforce owning all here.
finally another sane mind. 8)
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deltsaforce owning all here.
finally another sane mind. 8)
The thing I don't like about this Dante meatloaf-a-like is that he is a fraudster who uses the internet to scam money from people by giving ripped off advice. He then complains like a little bitch and cries if he gets any criticism, his attack on Ron and Getbig was an insult when uses sites like this to sell his drug fuelled, 800 grams of protein a day, Mentzer-lite programme.
He needs thicker skin - which is surprising as his skin looks like some wrinkled up, potholed purple elephant hide.
He moans like a premenstrual bitch. Did it to squadfather too when David dared question the fat fuck.
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The thing I don't like about this Dante meatloaf-a-like is that he is a fraudster who uses the internet to scam money from people by giving ripped off advice. He then complains like a little bitch and cries if he gets any criticism, his attack on Ron and Getbig was an insult when uses sites like this to sell his drug fuelled, 800 grams of protein a day, Mentzer-lite programme.
He needs thicker skin - which is surprising as his skin looks like some wrinkled up, potholed purple elephant hide.
He moans like a premenstrual bitch. Did it to squadfather too when David dared question the fat fuck.
hahahahaha
true, but squad isn't very bright as we can see with his defense of dc now. he alse stands by fatalex despite alex being responsible for his personal info being plastered all over getbig.
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hahahahaha
true, but squad isn't very bright as we can see with his defense of dc now. he alse stands by fatalex despite alex being responsible for his personal info being plastered all over getbig.
I think he is scared of Alex. He probably hates him deep down but needs to keep onside as he knows that Alex could destroy him. Alex pwned him pretty fucking bad and is definitely the daddy now as far as David is concerned.
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hahahahaha
true, but squad isn't very bright as we can see with his defense of dc now. he alse stands by fatalex despite alex being responsible for his personal info being plastered all over getbig.
getbig like politics makes strange bedfellows
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I think he is scared of Alex. He probably hates him deep down but needs to keep onside as he knows that Alex could destroy him. Alex pwned him pretty fucking bad and is definitely the daddy now as far as David is concerned.
yeah, that is probably the case, i know personally it would kill me to be nice to a guy that did that to me, and even laugh and joke with him like squad is doing with alex.
someone was commenting on what a great guy he is on another thread too ::)
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I think he is scared of Alex. He probably hates him deep down but needs to keep onside as he knows that Alex could destroy him. Alex pwned him pretty fucking bad and is definitely the daddy now as far as David is concerned.
yes i agree and know for a fact dave is licking alex's butt because alex can release info whenever he wants. same reason why oats-boy doesnt piss off benz and just ignores him. it's sad his internet addiction couldnt keep him off here and away from this threat.
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GOOD ARTICLE DOGGY,,,THOUGH I TELL YOU I DONT BELIEVE THE HEAVY WEIGHTS MEANS BIG MUSCLES RONNIE AND OTHERS RELY ON HIGH REPS NEAR 8 TO 12 THOUGH FINAL SET MIGHT BE HEAVY,,,,BUT NOT ALL TIME ONLY ONE SET NOT ALL SETS,,,THUS POWERLIFITING AT END OF LAST SET OF EXCERCISE IS ONLY FOR EGO,,,RONNIE DO THIS.
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yes i agree and know for a fact dave is licking alex's butt because alex can release info whenever he wants. same reason why oats-boy doesnt piss off benz and just ignores him. it's sad his internet addiction couldnt keep him off here and away from this threat.
it is a little sad to see david as a cyber eunuch now but that benz is the fucking man! a quality poster.
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it is a little sad to see david as a cyber eunuch now but that benz is the fucking man! a quality poster.
again i agree one thousand percent. dave needs to get help for his addiction. he doesnt care that his gf's info is out there, for him trolling getbig is more important
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again i agree one thousand percent. dave needs to get help for his addiction. he doesnt care that his gf's info is out there, for him trolling getbig is more important
How truly pathetic that someone would resort to trying to involve his beautiful girlfriend just becuase he humiliated and destroy you on a thread. It prove that he is the greatest owner of minds since Scanners
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i notice that fat hog dante ran away when the heat got turned up on his obese ass.
dont think you can run down getbig and ron and then come here to plug your lardass, ripped-off, drug fuelled bullshit, doggfat
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i notice that fat hog dante ran away when the heat got turned up on his obese ass.
dont think you can run down getbig and ron and then come here to plug your lardass, ripped-off, drug fuelled bullshit, doggfat
He's not ripped, but he carries some serious muscle.
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He's not ripped, but he carries some serious muscle.
sad old bastard pumped full of drugs and bloated as fuck. you do realize that this guy does a boatload of illicit drugs?
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retarded latspread..why is he tucking his hands in so fucking high. you are supposed to tuck your thumbs in just above your hip bones...
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hard to spread what ain't fucking there!
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sad old bastard pumped full of drugs and bloated as fuck. you do realize that this guy does a boatload of illicit drugs?
I don't know if i'd call testosterone an illicit drug. If my grandfather uses 100 mg of testsoterone a week to live better, that's cool. But if a Bber uses 600 to 1000 mg per week to live better, it's evil?
Anyway, Dante was 140 pounds when he started. He's doubled his bodyweight. He's not going to win any contests on lines, but he's walking around huge at 280 pounds, doing what he wants to do. I can't hate on the guy for that. If he was telling people to use gear, that'd be one thing. All he is doing, is sharing his own use when he is asked about it by idiots who are running triple what he is while cracking the scale at 210 pounds.
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I don't know if i'd call testosterone an illicit drug. If my grandfather uses 100 mg of testsoterone a week to live better, that's cool. But if a Bber uses 600 to 1000 mg per week to live better, it's evil?
Anyway, Dante was 140 pounds when he started. He's doubled his bodyweight. He's not going to win any contests on lines, but he's walking around huge at 280 pounds, doing what he wants to do. I can't hate on the guy for that. If he was telling people to use gear, that'd be one thing. All he is doing, is sharing his own use when he is asked about it by idiots who are running triple what he is while cracking the scale at 210 pounds.
good post braaaaaaaaah
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I don't know if i'd call testosterone an illicit drug. If my grandfather uses 100 mg of testsoterone a week to live better, that's cool. But if a Bber uses 600 to 1000 mg per week to live better, it's evil?
Anyway, Dante was 140 pounds when he started. He's doubled his bodyweight. He's not going to win any contests on lines, but he's walking around huge at 280 pounds, doing what he wants to do. I can't hate on the guy for that. If he was telling people to use gear, that'd be one thing. All he is doing, is sharing his own use when he is asked about it by idiots who are running triple what he is while cracking the scale at 210 pounds.
Exactly.........the guy offers good basic advice to people,I can`t see why anybody gets jealous or hates the guy.
If you don`t like his suggestions,just don`t use them.
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good post braaaaaaaaah
why thank u stavios
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Dante's Training Methods-Muscle Mayhem Forums+--Forum: Training for Mass, Size and Strength+---Topic: Doggcrap Training System started by Massive G
Posted by: Massive G on Dec. 07 2003,19:24 I am posting this for all those interested. If Dante or Mike objects I am sure it will be taken down.Hopefully this will become a sticky or pinned thread in which people may post their questions and feedback.Props to Dante for writing this mini novel in condensed form.Dogg: Without sounding cocky I am a very advanced bodybuilder down here in San Diego--cruising at 285lbs or so and going up over 300 this year. I came from a very, very hard gaining and skinny genetic structure (140lbs about 10 years ago) so gains have never come easy and I didn’t start super supplements until I was 225 clean (took me 6 years). (I use food as my chief anabolic). What I am amazed at is the number of 180 to 220lb bodybuilders on the net who spend ungodly amounts of money and use so many different exotic compounds thinking that it is the end all super stack of all stacks. And they take huge, huge risks in trying to acquire these drugs.
I have had an abundance of pro and top amateur friends to gain the knowledge that pretty much these top people in the sport are blasting high amounts of test as the base drug in the offseason to put on pro size with mostly one (sometimes two) other compounds (usually fina, or equipoise or some other non exotic drug and GH if it can be afforded). I firmly believe you will gain 2 times the amount of muscle off of 2 grams of test either alone or with another compound than having some kind of exotic stack involving 3 to 6 exotic hard to get expensive compounds. The receptor site theories have proven to be bunk. The cheapest and best stack I can think of anyone doing to put on major size is a gram or two of test with arimidex to keep water off with fina 75 to 150mg every other day for 4 weeks --then 2 to 3 weeks of cruising (test at 300-400mg and clomid at 5 (day one), 4(day two), 3(day three),then 2 every day for 2 weeks)--and then back on everything full again (maybe equipoise used instead of fina this time) for 4 weeks (then 2 to 3 weeks cruising again etc etc)---if you can’t gain gobs of muscle on that nothing exotic (masteron, etc etc etc) surely isn’t going to do it for you. Testosterone is always the base for any gaining cycle of any pro friend I’ve had or top people with whom I talked with off record. I have never even been over 1000mg of test myself (yet) but I see guys spending and using 10 times the amount I do weighing 70lbs less. I think there is a major problem when the easiest, cheapest and most potent things are right in front of people and they are off searching for substance B-737 undecylate in bulgaria.
All too often we’ve seen 180-220 lbs bodybuilders obsessed with some irrelevant minutiae of bodybuilding, arguing the merits of using anavar stacked with creatine or how dosages of primobolan should be divided up in order to maximize size. Just the other day in the gym, I heard two wannabe bodybuilders actually discussing the merits of using creatine stacked with various fruit juices. Now admittedly, I train at 24 Hour Fitness, not the most hardcore gym on the planet, but I literally had to laugh out loud listening to these two idiots taking each other incredibly seriously over an issue that has about as much relevance to the gaining of lean body mass as what kind of underwear I choose to put on prior to my foray into the gym. I know that both Dogg and myself receive countless emails from bodybuilders looking for that one special compound, you know the one I mean, the secret steroid that all the pros are using and no one else seems to be able to get their hands on. The steroid that if only I could manage to obtain, I’d be kicking Coleman’s ass all over the Olympia stage in no time.
There is a major problem when the cheapest, easiest, and most potent drugs are widely available and bodybuilders are blaming their lack of success on everything but their food intake, work ethic in the gym, or cycles that wouldn’t make my girlfriend grow. Perhaps the biggest secret in bodybuilding is that there are no secrets. There are no secret stacks, there are no secret drugs, the amateurs and pros that we see in Flex and other magazines are using the same drugs that are readily available to you or I. Ask any top amateur or pro what his favorite steroid is and you’ll undoubtedly get the same answer from everyone: TESTOSTERONE!! 2 grams of test a week is going to put size on you unlike anything else, I don’t care how exotic or expensive. You show me a rare DDR steroid that supposedly is 50X as anabolic as testosterone and runs $600 per bottle and I’ll show you a GC/MS assay of cheap steroids you could pick up in Mexico for $20. Anavar? A drug I put my girlfriend on if she wants to gain a few pounds of muscle. Primobolan? A steroid I’d give to my kid if he had the flu. Ok, these drugs may have their place in a bridging cycle, but believe me, no bodybuilder attempting to gain brutal size need to concern himself with mass cycles containing impotent steroids like anavar and primobolan.
Dogg: I am of the opinion that people should use the lowest dosages possible that will keep them gaining. If a newbie bodybuilder starts off with 2 grams of T every week and a high dose of fina etc, etc and eventually taps out on that where is he going to go? 4000 a week? I believe one should make their way up 750, to 1000 to 1200 to 1500 and so on slowly thru cycles. I am an advocate of the 4 week on 2 week cruising (then back on) method not because of receptor site saturation but due to 3 very important (to me) factors... 1) I lift extremely heavy and I push the limits for 4 weeks and I just need 2 weeks to kind of regroup myself and then go balls to the wall again with poundages for the next 4 weeks 2)Same with food intake-I religiously get in 500 to 600 grams of protein and I have to give myself a little break for those 2 weeks (I only go down to 400grams or so) or I'll go crazy 3) I think it’s of utmost importance to keep yourself regulated HPTA-wise. If your endogenous test levels diminish due to constant months of high androgens when you do finally come off those size gains fly out the door...if you can keep your endo test somewhat normal you wont get the huge problems that keep most bodybuilders bouncing up and down in bodyweight like yo-yo's..namely getting colds and flu's/injuries/depression/lack of aggression and appetite (which usually means test to estrogen ratio out of whack)...
During the cruising period the 300-400mg of test will keep you from losing any muscle at all and the clomid and arimidex will get you as close (via 2 different routes) to homeostasis as possible. Repeat-- We are not advocating that a newbie run out and start injecting himself with 2 grams of testosterone per week in an attempt to gain as much size as possible? Let me quantify what we are trying to say. At some point, 2 grams a week of testosterone may become a necessity as you reach the upper limits of size your body will grow on bodybuilding drugs. Just as we all have a natural limit to how big we can get naturally, we also have a limit to how big we can get using performance enhancing drugs. You look at bodybuilders like Ruhl, Yates, or Coleman and you’re seeing men who have virtually maxed out their ability to add more muscle. Did Dorian’s physique change noticeably from year to year during his last several Olympias? Has Coleman’s? Sure, perhaps they come in a little tighter, Coleman may fluctuate 10 lbs in bodyweight from year to year, but realistically, these guys reached their genetic limit to add muscle long ago. Now the massive amounts of drugs they take are simply to maintain the incredible amounts of LBM they have accrued over years of training, eating, and juicing. And this article isn’t being written for the Yates, Colemans, or Ruhls of the bodybuilding world, I seriously doubt they’re coming to a web site board for advice. This article is written for you, the aspiring bodybuilder, someone who wants to gain as much muscle as quickly as possible but doesn’t know how.
Let’s say you’re an aspiring bodybuilder with good genetics and want to start your first cycle. If you start out at 2000 mg of test a week with other assorted steroids, where are you going to go from there when you eventually stop growing. You should seek to start with as low of an effective dose as possible and work your way up, always bearing in mind that your cycle is probably the last reason why you’re not growing. You show me a 180 lb bodybuilder that’s not growing on 750 mg of test a week and 50 mg of Methandrostenolone per day and I’ll show you someone who isn’t eating or training correctly unless he’s 4’11”. A good starting dose for a newbie is in the range of 750-800 mg of testosterone per week, stacked with another steroid like methandrostenolone (50 mg/day in divided doses), trenbolone acetate (75 mg ED), or even an old standby like deca (600 mg/week). Use of an anti-aromatase like Arimidex is a must. As Dogg advocates, steroid cycles are times during which your body must be pushed to its limits. All too often you’ll see so-called bodybuilders (bodybuilders in their own mind really) begin a cycle and maintain the same kind of eating and training habits they adhered to pre-cycle. Will they gain muscle? Most definitely, several double-blind medical studies have proven that moderate dosages of testosterone will add small amounts of LBM and cause a slight decrease in body fat without any change in diet or exercise programs. But then again, that’s not really bodybuilding now is it? Bodybuilding is an attempt to build yourself up to what you consider to be a physical ideal, and for more readers than not, that means brutally huge size.
Brutally huge size is the result of two primary actions 1) brutal workouts and 2) a brutal eating schedule. Steroids assist in both of these endeavors, allowing you to train harder in the gym and increasing appetite so one can consume more food. There is also a limit to how much of this the psyche and body can take, regardless of how tough you are mentally or how genetically gifted you may be. You’re seeing more and more top bodybuilding gurus advocate training cycles in this fashion, Dogg advocates 4 week training cycles, Trevor Smith from Nuclear advocates 6 week, and some others advocate 8 week cycles. Doggs 4 week training cycle involves cruising for 2 weeks after the initial four weeks (as discussed above) to
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This article should be a sticky
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im so sorry for your loss oki.......... steven will be missed!!!
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im so sorry for your loss oki.......... steven will be missed!!!
Fuck him,its his own fault for being gay
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im so sorry for your loss oki.......... steven will be missed!!!
The Spanish authorities have found dry fruit in his anal passage...
they think he may have been a victim of date rape.
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you should take 10 minutes to read that man
very good post right there
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you should take 10 minutes to read that man
very good post right there
I actually did read it and you're right it does have some good info, but damn that took me 30 mins to read. At least I had nothing better to do at work ;D
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I actually did read it and you're right it does have some good info, but damn that took me 30 mins to read. At least I had nothing better to do at work ;D
funny pic either way ;D
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Reading is gay.
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Reading is gay.
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:)
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years later and dante still looks like a big pile of mushed shit
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any current pics?
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yes following his advice we'll all end up looking like you in no time, no doubt about it.
great stuff.
dead on target etc etc
LMAO! Classic Bluto.
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natural or juiced dont think 4 weeks hard training followed with 2 weeks soft training is a good idea, need to train hard every time, if that means to take 2 days more rest, or some weeks you only train twice a week, thats a better idea. if you train hard 3 times a week, you dont need more. i got my best gains at training twice a week hard.
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Still a gem, 6 years later.