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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Howard on May 09, 2008, 09:43:52 AM
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With all the gyms now ,supplement companies,and negatove steroid press, you would think that drug free bodybuilding would be a bigger deal. Sadly, most drug testing shows and sanctions are small, low budget operations.I have often thought that a true drug free bodybuilding organization with the right name and $$ behind it, would be a bigger success than the current IFBB pro div.
Of course, I am also the guy that said this after someone told me,in 1999, that Texas GOV. G. W Bush would be the next president . " That guy can barely complete a sentence, who would ever vote for that numbnut?" Well, Bushy got elected not once but twice and the IFBB is still light years ahead of any natural organization...go figure ;D
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As you know, bodybuilding’s appeal lies in the freak factor. People like to see big freaky physiques that they couldn’t see otherwise. Why pay to go to a natural show when you can see the same physiques (or bigger physiques) in your local gym, at the beach, etc.? People like to push the envelope and audiences want to see the envelope pushed. Physiques have gotten a lot bigger over the years—not smaller. If the bodies got smaller people would stop going. Bodybuilding is a fringe sport; natural bodybuilding is a fringe within a fringe.
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As you know, bodybuilding’s appeal likes in the freak factor. People like to see big freaky physiques that they couldn’t see otherwise. Why pay to go to a natural show when you can see the same physiques (or bigger physiques) in your local gym, at the beach, etc.? People like to push the envelope and audiences want to see the envelope pushed. Physiques have gotten a lot bigger over the years—not smaller. If the bodies got smaller people would stop going. Bodybuilding is a fringe sport; natural bodybuilding is a fringe within a fringe.
well said.
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As you know, bodybuilding’s appeal lies in the freak factor. People like to see big freaky physiques that they couldn’t see otherwise. Why pay to go to a natural show when you can see the same physiques (or bigger physiques) in your local gym, at the beach, etc.? People like to push the envelope and audiences want to see the envelope pushed. Physiques have gotten a lot bigger over the years—not smaller. If the bodies got smaller people would stop going. Bodybuilding is a fringe sport; natural bodybuilding is a fringe within a fringe.
I've seen some of the guys that compete in organizations like the WNBF. Maybe it's just me. But I don't see Jim Cordovas and Rodney Helaires falling out of the sky at the local gyms in my area.
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With all the gyms now ,supplement companies,and negatove steroid press, you would think that drug free bodybuilding would be a bigger deal. Sadly, most drug testing shows and sanctions are small, low budget operations.I have often thought that a true drug free bodybuilding organization with the right name and $$ behind it, would be a bigger success than the current IFBB pro div.
Of course, I am also the guy that said this after someone told me,in 1999, that Texas GOV. G. W Bush would be the next president . " That guy can barely complete a sentence, who would ever vote for that numbnut?" Well, Bushy got elected not once but twice and the IFBB is still light years ahead of any natural organization...go figure ;D
Who cares about 165lb shredded guys posing in glitter panties on stage? Add 100lbs to those genetically gifted competitors via gear and then we have a reason to collect cash.
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Human beings are naturally attracted to spectacles/oddities(freak shows, car crashes, sex and violence, jerry springer....etc.) and drug produced bodybuilding is a spectacle.
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With all the gyms now ,supplement companies,and negatove steroid press, you would think that drug free bodybuilding would be a bigger deal. Sadly, most drug testing shows and sanctions are small, low budget operations.I have often thought that a true drug free bodybuilding organization with the right name and $$ behind it, would be a bigger success than the current IFBB pro div.
Of course, I am also the guy that said this after someone told me,in 1999, that Texas GOV. G. W Bush would be the next president . " That guy can barely complete a sentence, who would ever vote for that numbnut?" Well, Bushy got elected not once but twice and the IFBB is still light years ahead of any natural organization...go figure ;D
You must also remember that a number of the better natural bodybuilders compete in the open NPC shows (more exposure and publicity). Unfortunately, natural bodybuilding is in a no-win rut, it seems. The better you look, the less-likely people think that you're drug-free (I refer you to the bazillion threads, questioning Skip LaCour's drug-free status that have been started over the years).
People only believe you're drug-free, if your physique lacks shape and proportion and/or you're ripped but look like a (relatively speaking) twig.
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You must also remember that a number of the better natural bodybuilders compete in the open NPC shows (more exposure and publicity). Unfortunately, natural bodybuilding is in a no-win rut, it seems. The better you look, the less-likely people think that you're drug-free (I refer you to the bazillion threads, questioning Skip LaCour's drug-free status that have been started over the years).
People only believe you're drug-free, if your physique lacks shape and proportion and/or you're ripped but look like a (relatively speaking) twig.
Yea, whatever Tulip. Skip LaCour is totally on MuscleTech. One of my inside sources says he used a stack like this for the 2005 Team U...
NirtoTech: 3 shakes daily.
Cell-Tech: Upon awakening and post-workout.
AnatorP70: 1 shake daily.
Pump Tech: 6 pills pre-workout.
Creakic: 4 pills on workout days only.
That's a pretty sick cycle. You can't possibly think he's natural on a boatload of shit like that.
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I do think that natural bodybuilding is on the up though.Top supplement companies such as EAS,CNP,Reflex,Maximuscle,Savant(Udo's Oil) etc. are sponsoring the shows here in the UK and both audience and competitor numbers are on the increase.
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Human beings are naturally attracted to spectacles/oddities(freak shows, car crashes, sex and violence, jerry springer....etc.) and bodybuilding is a spectacle.
Yeah, but consider that the figure/fitness girls are lot more marketable then the pro female bodybuilders.
Plus, look at the winners of the typical beauty contest or even bikini contest, etc.
I think that IFBB has a steady, devoted hardcore crowd that wants the freaks. But this crowd is limited and won't grow. A natural , more mainstream kind of physique contest would have huge potential, just like when figure came in and outpaced the female bodybuilders.
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Yes, they love the freaks. Look at a guy like Nasser, 300 rock solid pounds with perfect abs.
but no one wants to see naturals. Naturals look like complete shit and everyone laughs at their pitiful bodies.
even the old school were running plenty of gear.
physiques with no gear look like shit. the ones that don't are guys denying they used.
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Why pay to go to a natural show when you can see the same physiques (or bigger physiques) in your local gym, at the beach, etc.?
There it is.
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I've seen some of the guys that compete in organizations like the WNBF. Maybe it's just me. But I don't see Jim Cordovas and Rodney Helaires falling out of the sky at the local gyms in my area.
Where do you live? What gym do you go to? In the CA and FL gyms I go to big guys are very common.
And they are available for G4P, Gay-4-charity, Gay-4-pleasure :P
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One problem with natural bodybuilding is that it is compared to juiced bodybuilding.I mean a natural guy compared to a Ronnie Coleman looks silly.In other pro sports,the guys that weren't juicing were still fantastic.Mickey Mantle is still remembered as great,the same with NBA guys and NFL guys.In fact,many think Jimmy Brown wasstill the greatest football player ever.Because bodybuilding is only about the body,its too easy to see the differences between juiced and non juiced physiques.
In fact,its very hard to even know if there ever was a truly clean pro bodybuilder,as the sport developed at the same pace as steroid use.
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Where do you live? What gym do you go to? In the CA and FL gyms I go to big guys are very common.
Yea, I bet they are Liberace. ::)
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Yeah, but consider that the figure/fitness girls are lot more marketable then the pro female bodybuilders.
Plus, look at the winners of the typical beauty contest or even bikini contest, etc.
I think that IFBB has a steady, devoted hardcore crowd that wants the freaks. But this crowd is limited and won't grow. A natural , more mainstream kind of physique contest would have huge potential, just like when figure came in and outpaced the female bodybuilders.
I think what your seeing with female bodybuilding is such a departure from a feminine ideal that it narrows the appeal even further. This has an effect on the perception of female bodybuilders as they become more muscular they are viewed as more masculine. Female bodybuilding loses its titillation/sex appeal except for a few weirdos who find women with stubble attractive. It is different for men. Muscle equals masculine power or maleness and in some ways by some individuals it is viewed that the more muscle the more masculine or powerful. I am not argue against what your saying about naturals just providing a reasoning for the popularity of unnatural competition over natural.
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Yea, whatever Tulip. Skip LaCour is totally on MuscleTech. One of my inside sources says he used a stack like this for the 2005 Team U...
NirtoTech: 3 shakes daily.
Cell-Tech: Upon awakening and post-workout.
AnatorP70: 1 shake daily.
Pump Tech: 6 pills pre-workout.
Creakic: 4 pills on workout days only.
That's a pretty sick cycle. You can't possibly think he's natural on a boatload of shit like that.
If there's one poster who truly lives up to his name, it's you.
Notwithstanding your aversion to making a complete dope out of yourself, it would help if you actually got your facts straight.
First, why are you obessesed with MuscleTech? Nobody here has even mentioned the company, until you arrived, spewing your usual brand of foolishness.
Second, LaCour didn't compete in the 2005 Team Universe, his last TU appearance was in 2003, winning his class but losing the overall to Jeff Willet.
Third, LaCour has never been with MuscleTech. He's worked for MET-Rx, Twinlab (especially when Blechman was running "All-Natural MD"), and for the past several years, he's been with AST.
Of course, MuscleTech has little to do with the subject at hand. That's merely you, operating in rebel-without-a-clue mode.
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If there's one poster who truly lives up to his name, it's you.
Notwithstanding your aversion to making a complete dope out of yourself, it would help if you actually got your facts straight.
First, why are you obessesed with MuscleTech? Nobody here has even mentioned the company, until you arrived, spewing your usual brand of foolishness.
Second, LaCour didn't compete in the 2005 Team Universe, his last TU appearance was in 2003, winning his class but losing the overall to Jeff Willet.
Third, LaCour has never been with MuscleTech. He's worked for MET-Rx, Twinlab (especially when Blechman was running "All-Natural MD"), and for the past several years, he's been with AST.
Of course, MuscleTech has little to do with the subject at hand. That's merely you, operating in rebel-without-a-clue mode.
Ouch! I felt that smackdown from all the way over here! :-[
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Ouch! I felt that smackdown from all the way over here! :-[
I bet you did, Clay Aiken. ::)
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Yeah, but consider that the figure/fitness girls are lot more marketable then the pro female bodybuilders.
Plus, look at the winners of the typical beauty contest or even bikini contest, etc.
I think that IFBB has a steady, devoted hardcore crowd that wants the freaks. But this crowd is limited and won't grow. A natural , more mainstream kind of physique contest would have huge potential, just like when figure came in and outpaced the female bodybuilders.
yes buts thats because of sex appeal
and because woman's BBing is contrary to what is the ideal "female" since they are taking male hormones and end up barely resembling anything female or feminine------as opposed to Male BBing, where they are taking copious amounts of testosterone (the male hormone) and becoming basically super masculine
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howard,
would you attend a male figure show?
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If there's one poster who truly lives up to his name, it's you.
Notwithstanding your aversion to making a complete dope out of yourself, it would help if you actually got your facts straight.
First, why are you obessesed with MuscleTech? Nobody here has even mentioned the company, until you arrived, spewing your usual brand of foolishness.
Second, LaCour didn't compete in the 2005 Team Universe, his last TU appearance was in 2003, winning his class but losing the overall to Jeff Willet.
Third, LaCour has never been with MuscleTech. He's worked for MET-Rx, Twinlab (especially when Blechman was running "All-Natural MD"), and for the past several years, he's been with AST.
Of course, MuscleTech has little to do with the subject at hand. That's merely you, operating in rebel-without-a-clue mode.
Hahahahahaha! You always MELT like baby holding a popcicle in the summertime.
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Yeah, but consider that the figure/fitness girls are lot more marketable then the pro female bodybuilders.
If they're so marketable, why hasn't a single one of them acheived any kind of mainstream success?
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yes buts thats because of sex appeal
and because woman's BBing is contrary to what is the ideal "female" since they are taking male hormones and end up barely resembling anything female or feminine------as opposed to Male BBing, where they are taking copious amounts of testosterone (the male hormone) and becoming basically super masculine
I'm happy you understand that distinction. When I ask girls if they like male bodybuilders they often follow up by asking me whether or not I like female bodybuilders which doesn't make much sense to me because muscle is hyper-masculine, and it would make more sense if I like Kate Moss for example, who is extremely thin (if we look at thin as being a feminine trait, then Kate Moss would be hyper-feminine.
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If there's one poster who truly lives up to his name, it's you.
Notwithstanding your aversion to making a complete dope out of yourself, it would help if you actually got your facts straight.
First, why are you obessesed with MuscleTech? Nobody here has even mentioned the company, until you arrived, spewing your usual brand of foolishness.
Second, LaCour didn't compete in the 2005 Team Universe, his last TU appearance was in 2003, winning his class but losing the overall to Jeff Willet.
Third, LaCour has never been with MuscleTech. He's worked for MET-Rx, Twinlab (especially when Blechman was running "All-Natural MD"), and for the past several years, he's been with AST.
Of course, MuscleTech has little to do with the subject at hand. That's merely you, operating in rebel-without-a-clue mode.
This:
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Hahahahahaha! You always MELT like baby holding a popcicle in the summertime.
AHHHHH!!!!
What manner of Blockhead's foolish drivel would be complete without the woefully unoriginal "Hahahaha!" Meltdown routine?
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AHHHHH!!!!
What manner of Blockhead's foolish drivel would be complete without the woefully unoriginal "Hahahaha!" Meltdown routine?
LOL
His lack of intelligence is equalled only by his lack of originality.
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LOL
His lack of intelligence is equalled only by his lack of originality.
Stay out of it, SCHMOE... Go back to the female boards and pretend like you have a chance if you act sweet, witty and clever giving women compliments. Tool.
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AHHHHH!!!!
What manner of Blockhead's foolish drivel would be complete without the woefully unoriginal "Hahahaha!" Meltdown routine?
You put a hurt on him! Mercy! :'(
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Stay out of it, SCHMOE... Go back to the female boards and pretend like you have a chance if you act sweet, witty and clever giving women compliments. Tool.
Hahaha
Sorry to break it to you, Baldy, but, a guy who is a dead ringer for Uncle Fester is disqualified from calling anybody a SCHMOE.
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You put a hurt on him! Mercy! :'(
I bet you do know that kind of hurt, Elton John. ::)
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With all the gyms now ,supplement companies,and negatove steroid press, you would think that drug free bodybuilding would be a bigger deal. Sadly, most drug testing shows and sanctions are small, low budget operations.I have often thought that a true drug free bodybuilding organization with the right name and $$ behind it, would be a bigger success than the current IFBB pro div.
Of course, I am also the guy that said this after someone told me,in 1999, that Texas GOV. G. W Bush would be the next president . " That guy can barely complete a sentence, who would ever vote for that numbnut?" Well, Bushy got elected not once but twice and the IFBB is still light years ahead of any natural organization...go figure ;D
There's also the matter of determining how long someone has to be drug-free to be considered "natural". A year? Three years? Five years? Natural for life?
How do you implement the program? Simple urinalysis? Polygraph? Both?
And who gets tested (because drug-testing ain't cheap): Everybody? Just the top 5 per class (for the amateurs)/those who place in the money (for the pros)?
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Hahaha
Sorry to break it to you, Baldy, but, a guy who is a dead ringer for Uncle Fester is disqualified from calling anybody a SCHMOE.
Being bald means that one must be a schmoe then, huh? WOW...you're brilliant. You're a fetish freak schmoe and everybody knows it. Tool.
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Being bald means that one must be a schmoe then, huh? WOW...you're brilliant. You're a fetish freak schmoe and everybody knows it. Tool.
Don't hate because chicks dig me, but, see you as desirable as a yeast infection.
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I'm happy you understand that distinction. When I ask girls if they like male bodybuilders they often follow up by asking me whether or not I like female bodybuilders which doesn't make much sense to me because muscle is hyper-masculine, and it would make more sense if I like Kate Moss for example, who is extremely thin (if we look at thin as being a feminine trait, then Kate Moss would be hyper-feminine.
exactly matt----------I dont understand how people dont clearly see this
this is not appealing its abominable :-X
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=214331.0;attach=250733;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=214331.0;attach=250735;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=214331.0;attach=250737;image)
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Yeah, but consider that the figure/fitness girls are lot more marketable then the pro female bodybuilders.
Plus, look at the winners of the typical beauty contest or even bikini contest, etc.
I think that IFBB has a steady, devoted hardcore crowd that wants the freaks. But this crowd is limited and won't grow. A natural , more mainstream kind of physique contest would have huge potential, just like when figure came in and outpaced the female bodybuilders.
See I disagree...it could easily grow IMO. The problem is not that there aren't enough people left to induce more growth...the problem is the IFBB does not market itself in the best fashion IMO. It seem to me that nearly all the marketing is aimed at current fans...there is hardly ever anything done to try and branch out to knew audiences. As far as what needs to be done to remedy this problem, well I'm not a marketing genius, dint' claim to be...but if the IFBB could some how add some sort of glam/flashy appeal to itself just like every other sport on the planet does and every thing that is deemed sport on ESPN, i.e. poker...then it would be doing something IMO.
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There's also the matter of determining how long someone has to be drug-free to be considered "natural". A year? Three years? Five years? Natural for life?
How do you implement the program? Simple urinalysis? Polygraph? Both?
And who gets tested (because drug-testing ain't cheap): Everybody? Just the top 5 per class (for the amateurs)/those who place in the money (for the pros)?
Sadly most of the time you have to rely on the integrity of the competitor.A full spectrum urinalysis by UK-Sports costs approx £300($600?) so only a small number can be tested each show.There have been a number of cheats caught in the past few years though including the 2007 Overall British Champion,Chris Jones-who was stripped of his titles,had to return his trophies and received a lifetime ban.
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Has nasshole given into your sexual advances yet?
have you met his underwear purchase minimum criteria yet?
Yes, they love the freaks. Look at a guy like Nasser, 300 rock solid pounds with a perfect cock.
but no one wants to see naturals. Naturals look like complete shit and everyone laughs at their pitiful bodies.
even the old school were running plenty of gear.
physiques with no gear look like shit. the ones that don't are guys denying they used.
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exactly matt----------I dont understand how people dont clearly see this
this is not appealing its abominable :-X
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=214331.0;attach=250733;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=214331.0;attach=250735;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=214331.0;attach=250737;image)
How could a woman do this to herself :-X thats just atrocious
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ouch
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what the hell happened----a mod delete all the pics in this thread ???
the pics I posted were not pornographic or inappropriate in any way-----what the fuck!!!!!! :-\
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Because I can think of no bigger sham for so called nat bb as the INBF/WNBF
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Yes, they love the freaks. Look at a guy like Nasser, 300 rock solid pounds with perfect abs.
but no one wants to see naturals. Naturals look like complete shit and everyone laughs at their pitiful bodies.
even the old school were running plenty of gear.
physiques with no gear look like shit. the ones that don't are guys denying they used.
Get Nasser's balls out of your mouth so you can breathe. ;D
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A. Natural bodybuilders are small, with true naturals almost never competing above 200 pounds. Chances are there will be people in the audience above 200 pounds and fairly lean.
B. Everyone knows the people competing at natural shows are geared up anyway, so why watch pretenders?
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As you know, bodybuilding’s appeal lies in the freak factor. People like to see big freaky physiques that they couldn’t see otherwise. Why pay to go to a natural show when you can see the same physiques (or bigger physiques) in your local gym, at the beach, etc.? People like to push the envelope and audiences want to see the envelope pushed. Physiques have gotten a lot bigger over the years—not smaller. If the bodies got smaller people would stop going. Bodybuilding is a fringe sport; natural bodybuilding is a fringe within a fringe.
very well said
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If they're so marketable, why hasn't a single one of them acheived any kind of mainstream success?
Not any level of massive success, but some have done a few things. IFBB fitness pro Kim Lyons was the Trainer of Biggest loser, Madonna Grimes & Tsiianna[?] Joelson hosted MTV workout shows, Alicia Marie has also been on MTV and modeled for a few mainstream companies. Julie Shipley models for some mainstream companies. A few are on American Gladiators. Lisa Varon and some more went on to WWE wrestling.
Nothing huge like mega stars or anything, but compared to female bodybuilders - they are definitely more marketable.
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Because I can think of no bigger sham for so called nat bb as the INBF/WNBF
And this federation is a "sham" because........
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And this federation is a "sham" because........
...they aren't natural shit for brains :-\ :-* :D
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Top WNBF Pros
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Those delts are a dead giveaway of a juiced BBer
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=214369.0;attach=251089;image)
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Those delts are a dead giveaway of a juiced BBer
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=214369.0;attach=251089;image)
you are a smart fella my friend!
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Natural bodybuilding is a farce. The vast majority of competitors are former drug guys who were not able to compete with the real bodybuilders. Natural bodybuilding is like watching women's basketball...a less interesting, less impressive version of the real sport.
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One problem with natural bodybuilding is that it is compared to juiced bodybuilding.I mean a natural guy compared to a Ronnie Coleman looks silly.In other pro sports,the guys that weren't juicing were still fantastic.Mickey Mantle is still remembered as great,the same with NBA guys and NFL guys.In fact,many think Jimmy Brown wasstill the greatest football player ever.Because bodybuilding is only about the body,its too easy to see the differences between juiced and non juiced physiques.
In fact,its very hard to even know if there ever was a truly clean pro bodybuilder,as the sport developed at the same pace as steroid use.
take the hormones out of bodybuilding and there is no bodybuilding for ken wheeler = pathetic physiqe which shoudl tell you a lot! and you must remember friends ken wheeler is NOT off hormones!
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take the hormones out of bodybuilding and there is no bodybuilding for ken wheeler = pathetic physiqe which shoudl tell you a lot! and you must remember friends ken wheeler is NOT off hormones!
so those supplement ads where they label him the "Natural Freak" are lying to us :o :-\ :'(
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Those delts are a dead giveaway of a juiced BBer
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=214369.0;attach=251089;image)
The guy on the right is Jon Harris,a good friend of mine,who is undoubtedly lifetime natural.He competes at around 170 lbs at 5 ft 7 in but gives the illusion of looking much larger onstage as many of the top natural bodybuilders do.If you think you need drugs to get to this level then you have serious issues-try good genetics plus a great work ethic.
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The guy on the right is Jon Harris,a good friend of mine,who is undoubtedly lifetime natural.He competes at around 170 lbs at 5 ft 7 in but gives the illusion of looking much larger onstage as many of the top natural bodybuilders do.If you think you need drugs to get to this level then you have serious issues-try good genetics plus a great work ethic.
oh Im so convinced now---because if he was juiced up I would totally expect a good friend of his to come on here (where all the federation officials can see) and admit that he was indeed a cheating juicer ::)
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The guy on the right is Jon Harris,a good friend of mine,who is undoubtedly lifetime natural.He competes at around 170 lbs at 5 ft 7 in but gives the illusion of looking much larger onstage as many of the top natural bodybuilders do.If you think you need drugs to get to this level then you have serious issues-try good genetics plus a great work ethic.
There's no way the guy in the middle is natural.
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With all the gyms now ,supplement companies,and negatove steroid press, you would think that drug free bodybuilding would be a bigger deal. Sadly, most drug testing shows and sanctions are small, low budget operations.I have often thought that a true drug free bodybuilding organization with the right name and $$ behind it, would be a bigger success than the current IFBB pro div.
Of course, I am also the guy that said this after someone told me,in 1999, that Texas GOV. G. W Bush would be the next president . " That guy can barely complete a sentence, who would ever vote for that numbnut?" Well, Bushy got elected not once but twice and the IFBB is still light years ahead of any natural organization...go figure ;D
I juice my ass off, but i can easily pass a drug test. What's the point of natural bodybuilding when it's only natural on paper?
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There's no way the guy in the middle is natural.
none of them is natural,,absolutely hormonized all
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The guy on the right is Jon Harris,a good friend of mine,who is undoubtedly lifetime natural.He competes at around 170 lbs at 5 ft 7 in but gives the illusion of looking much larger onstage as many of the top natural bodybuilders do.If you think you need drugs to get to this level then you have serious issues-try good genetics plus a great work ethic.
no ,,your friend is a liar and lies to you ,,he would be 5'7 142 on stage naturally and he got no arms! although using hormone,,
pay attention to pufines of nipples and its not from teenage years ,,he has puffy nip though he is at very low bodyfat% there and that = use of hormones and higher level of hormones in the blood that is not consistant enough inorder to AVOID the puff,,if you use hormones more constant you have less chance to develop this but he is natural and that means the usage is limited to specific time of the year depening on competition and testing,,his gyno is a result of orals rather than injects,,if you want gh15 to name the products he uses gh15 will do it too
the fella has nice physiqe but you can tell that no matter how much hormones hell take he wont grow due to very average response to hormones thus naural competition coming into the picture
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Why would dealers ruin some of their best customers and their reputations? That seems silly.
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There's no way the guy in the middle is natural.
He = actually just 165 pounds.
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Once, at a show, a guy came up to me saying he was totally natural for the show. "I only used insulin", he said. He also forgot I saw him buy steroids 8 weeks earlier. Weighed in at a whopping 135lbs. That's the way it goes usually, natural has many meanings. :D
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The guy on the right is Jon Harris,a good friend of mine,who is undoubtedly lifetime natural.He competes at around 170 lbs at 5 ft 7 in but gives the illusion of looking much larger onstage as many of the top natural bodybuilders do.If you think you need drugs to get to this level then you have serious issues-try good genetics plus a great work ethic.
According to GH15, he = on juice, would weigh 142 pounds off juice and GH15 can name the product Jon Harris = supposedly on.
;D
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According to GH15, he = on juice, would weigh 142 pounds off juice and GH15 can name the product Jon Harris = supposedly on.
;D
Never just look at bodyweight when determining if someone is on juice. Guys can be heavily juiced and not weigh much. The heaviest juicer I knew weighed about 155lbs on stage.
Look at Ken Jones from the NY pro, what does he weigh? Not much I bet but there's probably decades of juicing behind that body.
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Never just look at bodyweight when determining if someone is on juice. Guys can be heavily juiced and not weigh much. The heaviest juicer I knew weighed about 155lbs on stage.
Look at Ken Jones from the NY pro, what does he weigh? Not much I bet but there's probably decades of juicing behind that body.
You = correct, but the bodyweight does give some indications, and along with other factors, it helps paint a picture.
Debussey just think GH15 = looking more and more like a gimmick. Some of his statements = silly at best.
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You = correct, but the bodyweight does give some indications, and along with other factors, it helps paint a picture.
Debussey just think GH15 = looking more and more like a gimmick. Some of his statements = silly at best.
Yeah it does give an indication when we are looking at heavyweights. I don't think Kenny's stats are that impressive on paper.
http://contest.bodybuilding.com/gallery/contest/5902/mode/will/page/56#
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Is this beast hormonized , GH15? :D
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Is this beast hormonized , GH15? :D
Haven't you already asked that? :D
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Is this beast hormonized , GH15? :D
According to the main points GH15 has stated, you are hormonized, and GH15 can tell exactly what types of whoremones you = on ;D
You would be 142 pounds without all the drugs you take :D
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Haven't you already asked that? :D
1000 times ;D
According to the main points GH15 has stated, you are hormonized, and GH15 can tell exactly what types of whoremones you = on ;D
HAHAHAA ,I know, I just like to hear his answer :D
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..cause natural baseball is more lucrative..lol
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Debussey just think GH15 = looking more and more like a gimmick. Some of his statements = silly at best.
I've said this for a while.
Gear I know little of so can't comment, but the man does NOT know what he is talking about when he talks about figure & fitness, that is for sure.
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I didn't know you have to stick a needle in your ass to be considered a "real bodybuilder"
Natural bodybuilding is a farce. The vast majority of competitors are former drug guys who were not able to compete with the real bodybuilders. Natural bodybuilding is like watching women's basketball...a less interesting, less impressive version of the real sport.
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no one wants to look at these jokes.they are sad, i chickle at them pulling poses with no muscle at all!
this is only where it's it.
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Those delts are a dead giveaway of a juiced BBer
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=214369.0;attach=251089;image)
Yep. Delts = landing zone.
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no ,,your friend is a liar and lies to you ,,he would be 5'7 142 on stage naturally and he got no arms! although using hormone,,
pay attention to pufines of nipples and its not from teenage years ,,he has puffy nip though he is at very low bodyfat% there and that = use of hormones and higher level of hormones in the blood that is not consistant enough inorder to AVOID the puff,,if you use hormones more constant you have less chance to develop this but he is natural and that means the usage is limited to specific time of the year depening on competition and testing,,his gyno is a result of orals rather than injects,,if you want gh15 to name the products he uses gh15 will do it too
the fella has nice physiqe but you can tell that no matter how much hormones hell take he wont grow due to very average response to hormones thus naural competition coming into the picture
No way,mate,I would put my life on him being lifetime natural.Why can't you just give natural bodybuilders the credit that they deserve? Jon is one of the world's best and I dare say if he chose to take gear he would be an IFBB pro.He is a family man,an inspiration and a good role model for natural bodybuilders.
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but sharma, unlike you none of us were destined to spend all our lives sniffing nasser's old posing trunks - so i'm afraid we will never understand.
no one wants to look at these jokes.they are sad, i chickle at them pulling poses with no muscle at all!
this is only where it's it.
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No way,mate,I would put my life on him being lifetime natural.Why can't you just give natural bodybuilders the credit that they deserve? Jon is one of the world's best and I dare say if he chose to take gear he would be an IFBB pro.He is a family man,an inspiration and a good role model for natural bodybuilders.
alex a is also a beliver in the christ ,,so is jeff and skip ..ray is also a big christ beliver...
friend,,it is not a question what gh15 is saying here,,,1000s of transaction per day via the internet for the use and abuse of hormone happen on a daily basis by natural competitors and gym rats,,
none of them will ever come on their name to protect their name you know why? becuase the moment they come they know very very well that the dirt will come out of the sack even if it is not from gh15 because somewhere somehow someone will be up to bring them down and it can easily be done,,
reason they are not touched is becuase many of them are personal users and dont arm society,,they also make the supplier very very rich since every order is 500$ and it is done consistantly every single month or twofor individual use,,you do the math ....500$ times about 6 months a year of good legit goodies = 3000$ a year times 5000 natural bodybuilders = ? got that right over 2 million us dollars a year made from the natural bodybuilers you love to adore so much...you dont throw 2 million dollars to the garbage very fast,,its lot of money and for the money they are garenteed good products and SILENCE by the other side,,the 5000 so called naturals gh15 is talking about do it via the goverment and not underground ..they learneed their ways and thats why they get their products because they know who what and how things operate ...those are smart individuals ,,,liars yes but smart very very smart,,they pay good money for their name to stay out of troubles,,try 10-20$ per vial of testosterone 1 ml 250mg/ml!,,15-20$ per vial of legit nandrolone and a lot more exotic products that cost them fortune
everyone is doing it both naturals and none naturals ,,the only diff is the naturals are in 99% of cases liars
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but sharma, unlike you none of us were destined to spend all our lives sniffing nasser's old posing trunks - so i'm afraid we will never understand.
So true! ;D
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Natural bodybuilding is like sex without pussy.
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Yeah...that pretty much sums it up.
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alex a is also a beliver in the christ ,,so is jeff and skip ..ray is also a big christ beliver...
friend,,it is not a question what gh15 is saying here,,,1000s of transaction per day via the internet for the use and abuse of hormone happen on a daily basis by natural competitors and gym rats,,
none of them will ever come on their name to protect their name you know why? becuase the moment they come they know very very well that the dirt will come out of the sack even if it is not from gh15 because somewhere somehow someone will be up to bring them down and it can easily be done,,
reason they are not touched is becuase many of them are personal users and dont arm society,,they also make the supplier very very rich since every order is 500$ and it is done consistantly every single month or twofor individual use,,you do the math ....500$ times about 6 months a year of good legit goodies = 3000$ a year times 5000 natural bodybuilders = ? got that right over 2 million us dollars a year made from the natural bodybuilers you love to adore so much...you dont throw 2 million dollars to the garbage very fast,,its lot of money and for the money they are garenteed good products and SILENCE by the other side,,the 5000 so called naturals gh15 is talking about do it via the goverment and not underground ..they learneed their ways and thats why they get their products because they know who what and how things operate ...those are smart individuals ,,,liars yes but smart very very smart,,they pay good money for their name to stay out of troubles,,try 10-20$ per vial of testosterone 1 ml 250mg/ml!,,15-20$ per vial of legit nandrolone and a lot more exotic products that cost them fortune
everyone is doing it both naturals and none naturals ,,the only diff is the naturals are in 99% of cases liars
You're such a cynic ;D I can't comment on the US but in the UK I believe that 90% of natural bodybuilders are genuine.I have competed since 2004 to a fairly high standard and have a lot of good friends in natural,and assisted,bodybuilding.During this time I have seen some cheats get caught and a few others who have been suspect slip through the net.The size and thickness on naturals is just not there though compared to users-we rely on shape,symmetry and condition to create an illusion of looking big onstage.If you see a natural bodybuilder when they are dieted down,offstage in normal clothes you probably would not realise that they were a bodybuilder at all(although UnderArmor can help ;) ). I respect your knowledge and opinion but I don't believe that natural bodybuilding is your specialist subject and you are wrong in this case.Perhaps is you attend a few natural shows in the UK you may change your mind? I'm sure I could arrange a free ticket for you-maybe even get you to present a trophy ;D
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GH15 will never be credible, despite his imperious ramblings...because he does the old, "hiding in back of the key board..."
Anyone accomplished and of supreme knowledge is up front with who they are.
they do not hide.
His words on natural bb ring not true, but hollow.
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Sadly most of the time you have to rely on the integrity of the competitor.A full spectrum urinalysis by UK-Sports costs approx £300($600?) so only a small number can be tested each show.There have been a number of cheats caught in the past few years though including the 2007 Overall British Champion,Chris Jones-who was stripped of his titles,had to return his trophies and received a lifetime ban.
Yes.
Recent guys getting booted out of WNBF for life/drugs:
Robert Hope
Marlon Hospedales
And these guys were not minor competitors
They were the FLAGSHIP competitors of the WNBF.
What does this say of many of their lower-ranked pros?
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Yes.
Recent guys getting booted out of WNBF for life/drugs:
Robert Hope
Marlon Hospedales
And these guys were not minor competitors
They were the FLAGSHIP competitors of the WNBF.
What does this say of many of their lower-ranked pros?
Are you sure that Rob Hope was booted out of the WNBF for drug use? I thought that he defected to the PNBA? with a number of other competitors due to issues with the WNBF?
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Hell, pro-bodybuilding isn't even a big deal. You have one pro-bbing show a year, in New York City, and it can't sell out a 1000 seat venue.
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Trye enough Moosejay, but that is not my main issue with GH15. He would be a lot more credible if he stuck with drug regimes that known , obvious users take. feeling that he must attack , even the idea of doing the sport without a boatload of drugs is what me wonder wbout him.
He acts like drugs are the most important thing and that you should not even try bodybuilding unless you use a bunch of drugs, etc. That is such crap.
Howard
Agreed.
I used as from 1983 to 1990.
Natural since....and I find it more of a challenge to go as far as I can now without....I really want to know what my true, innate potential is.
And there are PLENTY of others who feel this way, as well.
Dunno why Gh15 thinks this cannot be.
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Yes.
Recent guys getting booted out of WNBF for life/drugs:
Robert Hope
Marlon Hospedales
And these guys were not minor competitors
They were the FLAGSHIP competitors of the WNBF.
What does this say of many of their lower-ranked pros?
What does it say? It says the org is rife with drugs. What do you think it says?
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What does it say? It says the org is rife with drugs. What do you think it says?
I was speaking rhetorically, VB.
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LOL, and I am sure you know EVERY bodybuilder that lifts and know for a fact they are useing the juice and not natural.
Give me a break buddy. Plenty of guys build some solid size without a bunch of drugs, every day.
Granted, the elite of the sport are all on, but they represent a small % of all the lifters out there.
I myself, am nothing special and made decent gains over the years.
99% of naturals are not liars and you are NOT a credible source. You do sound like a guy who never could gain decent size, so you figired it must be all drugs and not your genetics.
Good luck, but I don't find your tales very credible nor do I accept them.
Thanks, Howard
You are so clueless it's sad. A lifetime in the sport but still have the blinders on. You're a lot like Basile who thinks you can build pro level size with "the right training program".
I recently looked at a natural orgs site and it practically endorsed some steroids you could still take (ones not banned from OTC sale yet). Very natural indeed.
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I used to take out double, full paged adverts in Nat BB & Fit mag.
Steve Downs , the editor, would implore me that they would ONLY accept ads that had NATURAL athletes, so on and so forth.
Well....take a gander at the innards of same mag today....evryone advertising from Cutler to Priest.
$$$ rules.
Remember the Golden Rule:
He who has the gold...
Rules... ;)
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LOL, and I am sure you know EVERY bodybuilder that lifts and know for a fact they are useing the juice and not natural.
Give me a break buddy. Plenty of guys build some solid size without a bunch of drugs, every day.
Granted, the elite of the sport are all on, but they represent a small % of all the lifters out there.
I myself, am nothing special and made decent gains over the years.
99% of naturals are not liars and you are NOT a credible source. You do sound like a guy who never could gain decent size, so you figired it must be all drugs and not your genetics.
Good luck, but I don't find your tales very credible nor do I accept them.
Thanks, Howard
no,,what gh15 says is that you can bild good FOUNDATION naturally ,,,NOT COMPETITOR LEVEL! but good foundation! then you have to go on hormones if you ever wanna look like a bodybuilder,,there is a big diff between sitting in a restaurant at 220lb every day joe and 220 lb bodybuilder joe my friend and the diff start and ends with drugs!
its funny to me how the last few posts all the guys who write then been on drugs ,,,howard been on drugs cremes testo boosters and is far from natural although nothing to write home about as he says,,and moosjy says for himself he took hormones for 7 years!!! if you take hormones for one single month you already cant and wont be natural ,,,ofourse if you been on 7 years you brought yourself to new minimum and know specific products you can still take later on and keep your bodybuuilding up to par,,,the key point is if neither took hormones neither would be going anywhere in bodybuilding,,,not amatuer and ofcourse not professional
and THATS thr truth
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GH15 will never be credible, despite his imperious ramblings...because he does the old, "hiding in back of the key board..."
Anyone accomplished and of supreme knowledge is up front with who they are.
they do not hide.
His words on natural bb ring not true, but hollow.
really? and you will be protecting my family later? you will provide the 24/7 security when dealers try to harm me? gh15 credability only comes to light after you been in the gym for yourself long enough to understand one day that that gh15 fella was right to the t about anything it said
if gh15 had no credability there wuod be no such big following around eeverything it says and i wouldnt have to answer questions right and left here from amatuers and proffesionals alike
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Why isn't a bigger deal ? because people like this guy and many others cheat.
My space group leader of a natural bodybuilding federation ::)
http://groups.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=groups.groupProfile&groupID=102308961&MyToken=be952bf0-dc2b-4a15-8cd5-b2d448910a67
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really? and you will be protecting my family later? you will provide the 24/7 security when dealers try to harm me? gh15 credability only comes to light after you been in the gym for yourself long enough to understand one day that that gh15 fella was right to the t about anything it said
if gh15 had no credability there wuod be no such big following around eeverything it says and i wouldnt have to answer questions right and left here from amatuers and proffesionals alike
Yes and the same bunch that believes your nonsense thinks that Muscletech "Halo" will put 100 lbs on their bench.
GH15, look, it is not your info on drugs and those who use them that I take issue with. It is your contstant tirades against anyone making real bodybuilding gains without drugs.
Maybe you know your crap about drugs, maybe not, I could care less, drugs are not part of my perosnal BB world.
I do know that their are plenty of bodybuilders just like me, who are not IFBB pros but built fine contest bodies on little or no drugs my friends. We will just keep on making gains and you can wats etime posting about how it is impossible. Good luck, Howard
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I do know that their are plenty of bodybuilders just like me, who are not IFBB pros but built fine contest bodies on little or no drugs my friends. We will just keep on making gains and you can wats etime posting about how it is impossible. Good luck, Howard
LOL, first it was you could build a fantastic competitor physique with no drugs. Now it's with "little drugs". Just like in the pro drug testing topic you are changing your opinion slowly as you realize that drug free = nothing to look at. :D
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I wrote this over 2 years ago … hope it helps
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=53594.msg832488#msg832488
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LOL, first it was you could build a fantastic competitor physique with no drugs. Now it's with "little drugs". Just like in the pro drug testing topic you are changing your opinion slowly as you realize that drug free = nothing to look at. :D
My pt was and is, that you don't need a boatload of drugs , like GH15 states to compete in a Mr Podunk and do well.
Sure, I use Androgel, now at 49 to keep my testosterone levels in mid range normal/ideal range.
I did use small amounts of drugs from 1983 -1986 and competed without anything from 87-95.
If drugs taken years ago, has an effect on my muscle building now, I sure got a lot from that stuff LOL.
It is my impression that gh15 simply wants to belive that any decent, contest physique is the result of drugs and drugs only, which is crazy.
Do all elite level pros use drugs? Of course.
Does every city or state champ use? No!
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We don't want to see swimmers, but big dudes with razorsharp conditioning. Imagine drug free olympic sports etc. it woudn't be fun to watch.
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My pt was and is, that you don't need a boatload of drugs , like GH15 states to compete in a Mr Podunk and do well.
Sure, I use Androgel, now at 49 to keep my testosterone levels in mid range normal/ideal range.
I did use small amounts of drugs from 1983 -1986 and competed without anything from 87-95.
If drugs taken years ago, has an effect on my muscle building now, I sure got a lot from that stuff LOL.
It is my impression that gh15 simply wants to belive that any decent, contest physique is the result of drugs and drugs only, which is crazy.
Do all elite level pros use drugs? Of course.
Does every city or state champ use? No!
were you a state champion??
a champion in a natural federation??
an IFBB pro??
if you were not any of these things than your points about yourself are null.
...and the game has changed dramatically on the "natural" and amatuer level in the modern times i.e more drug use
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My pt was and is, that you don't need a boatload of drugs , like GH15 states to compete in a Mr Podunk and do well.
Sure, I use Androgel, now at 49 to keep my testosterone levels in mid range normal/ideal range.
I did use small amounts of drugs from 1983 -1986 and competed without anything from 87-95.
If drugs taken years ago, has an effect on my muscle building now, I sure got a lot from that stuff LOL.
It is my impression that gh15 simply wants to belive that any decent, contest physique is the result of drugs and drugs only, which is crazy.
Do all elite level pros use drugs? Of course.
Does every city or state champ use? No!
Yes.
By avering that just because someone looks great they use drugs, you are really stating that you, yourself, do not believe that you could attain such development without out using, thus, YOU are a cheater, as well
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Is this beast hormonized , GH15? :D
who cares, his girl has a sweet ass..he needs to post more pics of her..no one cares about his "supplement stack"
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what is interesting is all of the friends that come out of the wood work to give testimony about the natural status of a god fearing guy that they know. They come off sounding like morons.
Some of these guys wouldn't tell their wives about their "stack", yet some casual friend is willing to swear for them ::)
it would appear that everyone has solid proof that everyone is natural.
The human body has not changed in 100s of years. Yet we see "naturals" today looking 10 times bigger and leaner than Steve Reeves. ::)
use what you want but stop insulting our intelligence.
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More or less, this is the best that a natural can get
(http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/4847/sreev006.jpg)
(http://www.timinvermont.com/vintage/sp000063.jpg)
(http://www.thereplicators.com/images/misc/sreeves3.jpg)
no, I am not saying that he was natural or the best ever...but the end product that you see is what the human body is capable of naturally..anything else is a lie
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Those delts are a dead giveaway of a juiced BBer
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=214369.0;attach=251089;image)
Notice, they all have hair, they hall have small waists, they all have no Gut, they look HEALTHY.
clearly natural.
or considerably lower doses than non tested pros.
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My pt was and is, that you don't need a boatload of drugs , like GH15 states to compete in a Mr Podunk and do well.
That's not how I read his comments. He has stated that you can do well at local shows on a couple of cc's of test. What he's saying is that there's drugs involved in every level of competitive bodybuilding and that people lie about it. Correct me if I'm wrong gh15.
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"All women are whores"
"All wonem will trade up for the bigger, better deal"
"The prettier the women, the more demanding she is and the more of a bitch she is"
"All men are dogs and will cheat if they can"
"Every marriage either ends up in divorce or are misrable"
"Everyone with a lot of money are assholes"
"All politicians are crooked"
and.....
"Everyone with so much muscle and certain level of body fat is on HORMOMES"
True or untrue?
It all depends on your perspective.
We know you can be Mr. Olympia without drugs. But we can't get to 180 pounds?
We all know what gh15 is ramming down our throats.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Yes and the same bunch that believes your nonsense thinks that Muscletech "Halo" will put 100 lbs on their bench.
GH15, look, it is not your info on drugs and those who use them that I take issue with. It is your contstant tirades against anyone making real bodybuilding gains without drugs.
Maybe you know your crap about drugs, maybe not, I could care less, drugs are not part of my perosnal BB world.
I do know that their are plenty of bodybuilders just like me, who are not IFBB pros but built fine contest bodies on little or no drugs my friends. We will just keep on making gains and you can wats etime posting about how it is impossible. Good luck, Howard
are you really a teacher? cant you comprehand what gh15 says,,drugs are integral part of any bodybuilder that you take second look at ,,ofcourse some try to do it with out drugs its obvious,,i understand you only chose to take little drugs :D but you too take drugs and took drugs and already reached your max before you started competed in the 80s while you were on those drugs,,bodybuilding is possible to do with out drugs but it will be more of a fitness fit type of contest rather than bodybuilding,,kapeesh? good
not only we iffb pros use drugs ,,many many amatuers do it and many many gym rats and fitness enthusiastc and in america girls are big time into drugs BIG BGI TIME for losing their fat rolls,,so relax and try to understand what gh15 is saying
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My pt was and is, that you don't need a boatload of drugs , like GH15 states to compete in a Mr Podunk and do well.
Sure, I use Androgel, now at 49 to keep my testosterone levels in mid range normal/ideal range.
I did use small amounts of drugs from 1983 -1986 and competed without anything from 87-95.
If drugs taken years ago, has an effect on my muscle building now, I sure got a lot from that stuff LOL.
It is my impression that gh15 simply wants to belive that any decent, contest physique is the result of drugs and drugs only, which is crazy.
Do all elite level pros use drugs? Of course.
Does every city or state champ use? No!
no gh15 doesnt state and didnt state that inorder to be mr country club no where to be found town you need to use lots of drugs,,thats not what gh15 stated,,now read carefully what gh15 stated!
EVERY BODYBUILDER THAT WIN A STATE SHOW HAS BEEN TO THE DRUGS FOR LONG ENOUGH TIME AND FOR HIGH ENOUGH DOSES AND PRODUCTS TO MAKE THE DIFF FOR HIM OR HER,,IN 1008 AND IN GENERAL SINCE MID 90S YOU WONT FIND NATURAL GUYS IN STATE SHOWS,,I DONT CARE WHAT THEY TELL YOU AND HOW MUCH WE LIE TO YOU ,,HERE I CAN TELL IT LIKE IT IS I USE THIS BOARD TO TELL IT LIKE IT IS,,TO YOUR FACE I MAY VERY WELL SAY THAT I USE 1 AMPOUL A WEEK BUT HERE ILL SAY IT AS IT IS,,
TO WIN MR PONDAK YOU DONT NEED LOTS OF DRUGS BUT THE WINNER OF THAT COMPETITION AS OF 2008 WILL USE SOMETHING BE SURE OF THAT!
TO WIN ANYTHING AT THE STATE LEVEL OR NATIONAL LEVEL AN DPROFESSIONAL LEVEL YOU NEED TO USE DRUGS CONSISTANTLY AND TO KNOW HOW TO USE THEM RIGHT AND TO KNOW HOW TO GET THE RIGHT SHIT! BECAUSE THERE ARE LOTS OF FAKES GOING AROUND FRIEND
thats what gh15 said,,
natural today is good for your local ymca betwwen 2 pm and 4 pm before the hormonized kids arrive ;)
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Notice, they all have hair, they hall have small waists, they all have no Gut, they look HEALTHY.
clearly natural.
or considerably lower doses than non tested pros.
:D jason also have set full of hair,, :Dgood lord dont you know that hormones make most people GAIN hair ratherf than lose hair?? our problem is the hair we have on our body and the lazer treatment or shaving we go through ...the hair on the head is determined by family as in genes,,goodness my friends :D
also last i saw stan he was very healthy looking ....so was mr luke wood :),,looking healthy only means water based products my friend,,or low dose of whatever with low dose androgens and less insulin when it comes to professional
none of the bodybuilders in the pic are natural!
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That's not how I read his comments. He has stated that you can do well at local shows on a couple of cc's of test. What he's saying is that there's drugs involved in every level of competitive bodybuilding and that people lie about it. Correct me if I'm wrong gh15.
you need to correct me if im wrong :D,,ya youre right,,always right ,,always on the money
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"All women are whores"
"All wonem will trade up for the bigger, better deal"
"The prettier the women, the more demanding she is and the more of a bitch she is"
"All men are dogs and will cheat if they can"
"Every marriage either ends up in divorce or are misrable"
"Everyone with a lot of money are assholes"
"All politicians are crooked"
and.....
"Everyone with so much muscle and certain level of body fat is on HORMOMES"
True or untrue?
It all depends on your perspective.
We know you can be Mr. Olympia without drugs. But we can't get to 180 pounds?
We all know what gh15 is ramming down our throats.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
:D
i laughed but you are wrong about one thing gh15 mumbled..not every politician is crooked,,mccain is not :)
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GH 15 ,can you post picture of ,the biggest and leanest physique , someone could attain ,as a lifetime natural ?
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:D
i laughed but you are wrong about one thing gh15 mumbled..not every politician is crooked,,mccain is not :)
what is his official policy on aliens?
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:D
i laughed but you are wrong about one thing gh15 mumbled..not every politician is crooked,,mccain is not :)
I'm for McCain and he's as honorable and decent as a man can get but everyone compromises at some point to further their own interest. Remember he was part of the Keating five.
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Yea, whatever Tulip. Skip LaCour is totally on MuscleTech. One of my inside sources says he used a stack like this for the 2005 Team U...
NirtoTech: 3 shakes daily.
Cell-Tech: Upon awakening and post-workout.
AnatorP70: 1 shake daily.
Pump Tech: 6 pills pre-workout.
Creakic: 4 pills on workout days only.
That's a pretty sick cycle. You can't possibly think he's natural on a boatload of shit like that.
No way anyone can survive that! :o :o :o
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More or less, this is the best that a natural can get
(http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/4847/sreev006.jpg)
(http://www.timinvermont.com/vintage/sp000063.jpg)
(http://www.thereplicators.com/images/misc/sreeves3.jpg)
no, I am not saying that he was natural or the best ever...but the end product that you see is what the human body is capable of naturally..anything else is a lie
who is this???!!
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who is this???!!
The True Adonis.
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who is this???!!
Steve Reeves actor in the 50s and 60s and a natural bodybuilder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Reeves
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/228/501432379_a633abf419.jpg?v=0)
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WOWAH
Where is that "panting" smiley??
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who is this???!!
No kidding that you dont know him.
And you are IFBB pro? >:(
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everyone that sets foot on stage even for a local non event is on somthing or even alot of things,,,, naturals clearly look natural, they look like swimmers with aids, anyone whos involved in the competitive scene can tell you this
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there is a huge explosion of the cardio industry here in canada,
people dont dig bodybuilding or even fitness (anymore), they re all into cardio which allow them to release themselves without having to understand anything but how to use two or three machines.
IN most gyms here 40 to 50 % of the customers are REGULAR cardio freaks, you have 30 % of men , either teens or adults who for some reasons think that they re going to look like schwarzeneger in one month of joining a gym, and 30% who are serious lifters with almost half of them juicing.
On a side note, there are more and more people lifting weights at home, just working on their arms, hamering biceps triceps and shoulders every single day just to show off in the summer. They are potentially future "natural bodybuilders".
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Too many people use drugs and get no good results from them just big guts and bloated body. They overload thinking they will look like the guys in the magazine but they dont eat right or train correctly. The best way to go is to be natural because you dont have too worry about side effects and can have a good build with the cut 6 packs abs and low body fat. I'd rather have 19" arms with a small waist then 23" with a big gut.
(http://brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/Worlds%202007%)
(http://brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/Worlds%202007%20Thumbnails/OverallSideTri2007.jpg)
(http://brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/Worlds%202007%20Thumbnails/OverallRD2007.jpg)
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If they did REAL drug testing via blood testing, we could eliminate the "natural" guys that use Finabolan, GH and Insulin right up to the day of a show and still pass the test. Sponsors would follow if all the bodies were indeed drug free. I've yet to hear of one "natural" federation that does proper IOC level testing.
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Too many people use drugs and get no good results from them just big guts and bloated body. They overload thinking they will look like the guys in the magazine but they dont eat right or train correctly. The best way to go is to be natural because you dont have too worry about side effects and can have a good build with the cut 6 packs abs and low body fat. I'd rather have 19" arms with a small waist then 23" with a big gut.
yeah , sure, okay buddyyyy... sure you do
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Too many people use drugs and get no good results from them just big guts and bloated body. They overload thinking they will look like the guys in the magazine but they dont eat right or train correctly. The best way to go is to be natural because you dont have too worry about side effects and can have a good build with the cut 6 packs abs and low body fat. I'd rather have 19" arms with a small waist then 23" with a big gut.
Naturals at a low body fat level will most often look like shit. I think the lowest a natural can go and still keep some muscle size is around 11-12%. Go lower than that and you look like a skinny swimmer.
Oh and I'm calling bullshit on the 19 inch arms with a six pack as a natural. ::)
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I never said my arms were 19".. just saying that I would rather have smaller arms with a decent sized waist then big puffy arms and a fat gut.. should of typed it better.
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I never said my arms were 19".. just saying that I would rather have smaller arms with a decent sized waist then big puffy arms and a fat gut.. should of typed it better.
Ok i gotcha.
A 19 inch arm definitely isn't small. Many naturals never achieve that type of size.
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If they did REAL drug testing via blood testing, we could eliminate the "natural" guys that use Finabolan, GH and Insulin right up to the day of a show and still pass the test. Sponsors would follow if all the bodies were indeed drug free. I've yet to hear of one "natural" federation that does proper IOC level testing.
I was a very successful natural bodybuilder so I got into promoting a natural BB show and wished I could have done a full IOC drug test but the problem is they are too expensive and you don't get the results back immediately. Back then(1990's) a simple urine screen cost $50 an athlete and results took 7-10 days. I was told a full IOC test would run me $300 and it still wouldn't test for everything that an athlete could use. These fees are too high to work into the entry fee and too high for the promoter to eat the cost. Unless you have a sponsor willing to pay for all the drug testing it is very expensive to put on a natural show and just break even. I struggled with choosing a cheaper not as good test but testing every athlete or using a better test and not being able to test everyone due to the expense. I chose the better test and made sure the top 3 of every class got tested as well as a not so random selection of other athletes(if you looked like you were using, had noticeable side effects, you got selected). My show had the reputation of having the best drug test in the NPC in the state and a lot of athletes did my show just to prove they were clean. Of all the tested shows in the state only my show had people failing the drug test. One year was very controversial when an athlete that had won an overall at a tested show the week before failed my test. I tested him 3 times at my expense and he failed each time so I kicked him out of my show and he would have won the overall there too. I also tested my drug tester by sending him athletes that weren't competing but were on steroids, had been on steroids and never took steroids and he caught every single one of the users. Every single athlete that failed, except the one mentioned above that I tested 3 times, admitted to me that he was using something and tried to beat the test. I stopped competing on the national level when I saw a guy who failed the drug test at my show a few weeks earlier competing in my class at the Team Universe after passing the drug test there. I was shocked at how pathetic the testing was at that level and haven't competed since.
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No kidding that you dont know him.
And you are IFBB pro? >:(
lol, she claims to be pro but doesn't know Steve Reeves??
Holy shit.
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All naturals(I'm talking no DRUGS AT ALL!), once stripped of all the fat and dieted down, look like a bunch of swimmers on the stage.
NOBODY CARES!
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I never said my arms were 19".. just saying that I would rather have smaller arms with a decent sized waist then big puffy arms and a fat gut.. should of typed it better.
Steroids make you puffy? It will get you a gut?
You don't have a clue what they are! You get more ripped and dryer with a lot of substances.
Looks like you are the small natural guy in the gym who hates the bigger "juicers"
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All naturals(I'm talking no DRUGS AT ALL!), once stripped of all the fat and dieted down, look like a bunch of swimmers on the stage.
NOBODY CARES!
Exactly
(http://www.kevintopka.com/usbf/102304/photos/033-001.jpg)
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tbh.. natural bodybuilders can look quite big in clothes/offseason, but yes they do look crap on stage. I would rather look like an offseason natural bodybuilder than a untested pro.
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tbh.. natural bodybuilders can look quite big in clothes/offseason, but yes they do look crap on stage. I would rather look like an offseason natural bodybuilder than a untested pro.
Yeah me too, look at this natural PRO!
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/laynelat.jpg) ;D :P
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Yeah me too, look at this natural PRO!
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/laynelat.jpg) ;D :P
Layne norton destroys you.
hope this helps
And thats one of his worst poses imo.
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Yeah me too, look at this natural PRO!
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/laynelat.jpg) ;D :P
He was 18 there you fucking moron. Post a pic of him at 25.
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Layne norton destroys you.
hope this helps
And thats one of his worst poses imo.
:D ::)
(http://ptwithchris.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/layne-norton.jpg)
MASSIVE cannonball delts!!
Man these natural PRO'S will surely receive major attention!!!