Why isn't natural bodybuilding a bigger deal?

[240 is Back]

Those delts are a dead giveaway of a juiced BBer

Yep.  Delts = landing zone.

[jonno gb]

no ,,your friend is a liar and lies to you ,,he would be 5'7 142 on stage naturally and he got no arms! although using hormone,,

pay attention to pufines of nipples and its not from teenage years ,,he has puffy nip though he is at very low bodyfat% there and that = use of hormones and higher level of hormones in the blood that is not consistant enough inorder to AVOID the puff,,if you use hormones more constant you have less chance to develop this but he is natural and that means the usage is limited to specific time of the year depening on competition and testing,,his gyno is a result of orals rather than injects,,if you want gh15 to name the products he uses gh15 will do it too

the fella has nice physiqe but you can tell that no matter how much hormones hell take he wont grow due to very average response to hormones thus naural competition coming into the picture

No way,mate,I would put my life on him being lifetime natural.Why can't you just give natural bodybuilders the credit that they deserve? Jon is one of the world's best and I dare say if he chose to take gear he would be an IFBB pro.He is a family man,an inspiration and a good role model for natural bodybuilders.

[dearth]

but sharma, unlike you none of us were destined to spend all our lives sniffing nasser's old posing trunks - so i'm afraid we will never understand.

no one wants to look at these jokes.they are sad, i chickle at them pulling poses with no muscle at all!

this is only where it's it.

[gh15]

No way,mate,I would put my life on him being lifetime natural.Why can't you just give natural bodybuilders the credit that they deserve? Jon is one of the world's best and I dare say if he chose to take gear he would be an IFBB pro.He is a family man,an inspiration and a good role model for natural bodybuilders.

alex a is also a beliver in the christ ,,so is jeff and skip ..ray is also a big christ beliver...
friend,,it is not a question what gh15 is saying here,,,1000s of transaction per day via the internet for the use and abuse of hormone happen on a daily basis by natural competitors and gym rats,,

none of them will ever come on their name to protect their name you know why? becuase the moment they come they know very very well that the dirt will come out of the sack even if it is not from gh15 because somewhere somehow someone will be up to bring them down and it can easily be done,,

reason they are not touched is becuase many of them are personal users and dont arm society,,they also make the supplier very very rich since every order is 500$ and it is done consistantly every single month or twofor individual use,,you do the math ....500$ times about 6 months a year of good legit goodies = 3000$ a year times 5000 natural bodybuilders = ? got that right over 2 million us dollars a year made from the natural bodybuilers you love to adore so much...you dont throw 2 million dollars to the garbage very fast,,its lot of money and for the money they are garenteed good products and SILENCE  by the other side,,the 5000 so called naturals gh15 is talking about do it via the goverment and not underground ..they learneed their ways and thats why they get their products because they know who what and how things operate ...those are smart individuals ,,,liars yes but smart very very smart,,they pay good money for their name to stay out of troubles,,try 10-20$ per vial of testosterone 1 ml 250mg/ml!,,15-20$ per vial of legit nandrolone and a lot more exotic products that cost them fortune

everyone is doing it both naturals and none naturals ,,the only diff is the naturals are in 99% of cases liars

[Epic_Monster]

but sharma, unlike you none of us were destined to spend all our lives sniffing nasser's old posing trunks - so i'm afraid we will never understand.

So true!

[Emmortal]

Natural bodybuilding is like sex without pussy.

[Arthurshall]

Yeah...that pretty much sums it up.

[jonno gb]

alex a is also a beliver in the christ ,,so is jeff and skip ..ray is also a big christ beliver...
friend,,it is not a question what gh15 is saying here,,,1000s of transaction per day via the internet for the use and abuse of hormone happen on a daily basis by natural competitors and gym rats,,

none of them will ever come on their name to protect their name you know why? becuase the moment they come they know very very well that the dirt will come out of the sack even if it is not from gh15 because somewhere somehow someone will be up to bring them down and it can easily be done,,

reason they are not touched is becuase many of them are personal users and dont arm society,,they also make the supplier very very rich since every order is 500$ and it is done consistantly every single month or twofor individual use,,you do the math ....500$ times about 6 months a year of good legit goodies = 3000$ a year times 5000 natural bodybuilders = ? got that right over 2 million us dollars a year made from the natural bodybuilers you love to adore so much...you dont throw 2 million dollars to the garbage very fast,,its lot of money and for the money they are garenteed good products and SILENCE  by the other side,,the 5000 so called naturals gh15 is talking about do it via the goverment and not underground ..they learneed their ways and thats why they get their products because they know who what and how things operate ...those are smart individuals ,,,liars yes but smart very very smart,,they pay good money for their name to stay out of troubles,,try 10-20$ per vial of testosterone 1 ml 250mg/ml!,,15-20$ per vial of legit nandrolone and a lot more exotic products that cost them fortune

everyone is doing it both naturals and none naturals ,,the only diff is the naturals are in 99% of cases liars

You're such a cynic I can't comment on the US but in the UK I believe that 90% of natural bodybuilders are genuine.I have competed since 2004 to a fairly high standard and have a lot of good friends in natural,and assisted,bodybuilding.During this time I have seen some cheats get caught and a few others who have been suspect slip through the net.The size and thickness on naturals is just not there though compared to users-we rely on shape,symmetry and condition to create an illusion of looking big onstage.If you see a natural bodybuilder when they are dieted down,offstage in normal clothes you probably would not realise that they were a bodybuilder at all(although UnderArmor can help ). I respect your knowledge and opinion but I don't believe that natural bodybuilding is your specialist subject and you are wrong in this case.Perhaps is you attend a few natural shows in the UK you may change your mind? I'm sure I could arrange a free ticket for you-maybe even get you to present a trophy

[Moosejay]

GH15 will never be credible, despite his imperious ramblings...because he does the old, "hiding in back of the key board..."

Anyone accomplished and of supreme knowledge is up front with who they are.

they do not hide.

His words on natural bb ring not true, but hollow.

[Moosejay]

Sadly most of the time you have to rely on the integrity of the competitor.A full spectrum urinalysis by UK-Sports costs approx £300($600?) so only a small number can be tested each show.There have been a number of cheats caught in the past few years though including the 2007 Overall British Champion,Chris Jones-who was stripped of his titles,had to return his trophies and received a lifetime ban.

Yes.

Recent guys getting booted out of WNBF for life/drugs:

Robert Hope
Marlon Hospedales

And these guys were not minor competitors

They were the FLAGSHIP competitors of the WNBF.

What does this say of many of their lower-ranked pros?

[jonno gb]

Yes.

Recent guys getting booted out of WNBF for life/drugs:

Robert Hope
Marlon Hospedales

And these guys were not minor competitors

They were the FLAGSHIP competitors of the WNBF.

What does this say of many of their lower-ranked pros?

Are you sure that Rob Hope was booted out of the WNBF for drug use? I thought that he defected to the PNBA? with a number of other competitors due to issues with the WNBF?

[Thin Lizzy]

Hell, pro-bodybuilding isn't even a big deal. You have one pro-bbing show a year, in New York City, and it can't sell out a 1000 seat venue.

[Moosejay]

Trye enough Moosejay, but that is not my main issue with GH15. He would be a lot more credible if he stuck with drug regimes that known , obvious users take. feeling that he must attack , even the idea of doing the sport without a boatload of drugs is what me wonder wbout him.
He acts like drugs are the most important thing and that you should not even try bodybuilding unless you use a bunch of drugs, etc. That is such crap.
Howard

Agreed.

I used as from 1983 to 1990.

Natural since....and I find it more of a challenge to go as far as I can now without....I really want to know what my true, innate potential is.

And there are PLENTY of others who feel this way, as well.

Dunno why Gh15 thinks this cannot be.

[Van_Bilderass]

Yes.

Recent guys getting booted out of WNBF for life/drugs:

Robert Hope
Marlon Hospedales

And these guys were not minor competitors

They were the FLAGSHIP competitors of the WNBF.

What does this say of many of their lower-ranked pros?

What does it say? It says the org is rife with drugs. What do you think it says?

[Moosejay]

What does it say? It says the org is rife with drugs. What do you think it says?

I was speaking rhetorically, VB.

[Van_Bilderass]

LOL, and I am sure you know EVERY bodybuilder that lifts and know for a fact they are useing the juice and not natural.
Give me a break buddy. Plenty of guys build some solid size without a bunch of drugs, every day.
Granted, the elite of the sport are all on, but they represent a small % of all the lifters out there.
I myself, am nothing special and made decent gains over the years.
99% of naturals are not liars and you are NOT a credible source. You do sound like a guy who never could gain decent size, so you figired it must be all drugs and not your genetics.
Good luck, but I don't find your tales very credible nor do I accept them.
Thanks, Howard

You are so clueless it's sad. A lifetime in the sport but still have the blinders on. You're a lot like Basile who thinks you can build pro level size with "the right training program".

I recently looked at a natural orgs site and it practically endorsed some steroids you could still take (ones not banned from OTC sale yet). Very natural indeed.

[Moosejay]

I used to take out double, full paged adverts in Nat BB & Fit mag.

Steve Downs , the editor, would implore me that  they would ONLY accept ads that had NATURAL athletes, so on and so forth.

Well....take a gander at the innards of same mag today....evryone advertising from Cutler to Priest.

$$$ rules.

Remember the Golden Rule:

He who has the gold...

Rules...

[gh15]

LOL, and I am sure you know EVERY bodybuilder that lifts and know for a fact they are useing the juice and not natural.
Give me a break buddy. Plenty of guys build some solid size without a bunch of drugs, every day.
Granted, the elite of the sport are all on, but they represent a small % of all the lifters out there.
I myself, am nothing special and made decent gains over the years.
99% of naturals are not liars and you are NOT a credible source. You do sound like a guy who never could gain decent size, so you figired it must be all drugs and not your genetics.
Good luck, but I don't find your tales very credible nor do I accept them.
Thanks, Howard

no,,what gh15 says is that you can bild good FOUNDATION naturally ,,,NOT COMPETITOR LEVEL! but good foundation! then you have to go on hormones if you ever wanna look like a bodybuilder,,there is a big diff between sitting in a restaurant at 220lb every day joe and 220 lb bodybuilder joe my friend and the diff start and ends with drugs!

its funny to me how the last few posts all the guys who write then been on drugs ,,,howard been on drugs cremes testo boosters and is far from natural although nothing to write home about as he says,,and moosjy says for himself he took hormones for 7 years!!! if you take hormones for one single month you already cant and wont be natural ,,,ofourse if you been on 7 years you brought yourself to new minimum and know specific products you can still take later on and keep your bodybuuilding up to par,,,the key point is if neither took hormones neither would be going anywhere in bodybuilding,,,not amatuer and ofcourse not professional

and THATS thr truth

[gh15]

GH15 will never be credible, despite his imperious ramblings...because he does the old, "hiding in back of the key board..."

Anyone accomplished and of supreme knowledge is up front with who they are.

they do not hide.

His words on natural bb ring not true, but hollow.

really? and you will be protecting my family later? you will provide the 24/7 security when dealers try to harm me? gh15 credability only comes to light after you been in the gym for yourself long enough to understand one day that that gh15 fella was right to the t about anything it said

if gh15 had no credability there wuod be no such big following around eeverything it says and i wouldnt have to answer questions right and left here from amatuers and proffesionals alike

[whateva]

Why isn't a bigger deal ? because people like this guy and many others cheat.
 My space group leader of a natural bodybuilding federation 
http://groups.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=groups.groupProfile&groupID=102308961&MyToken=be952bf0-dc2b-4a15-8cd5-b2d448910a67

[Howard]

really? and you will be protecting my family later? you will provide the 24/7 security when dealers try to harm me? gh15 credability only comes to light after you been in the gym for yourself long enough to understand one day that that gh15 fella was right to the t about anything it said

if gh15 had no credability there wuod be no such big following around eeverything it says and i wouldnt have to answer questions right and left here from amatuers and proffesionals alike

Yes and the same bunch that believes your nonsense thinks that Muscletech "Halo" will put 100 lbs on their bench.
GH15, look, it is not your info on drugs and those who use them that I take issue with. It is your contstant  tirades against anyone making real bodybuilding gains without drugs.
Maybe you know your crap about drugs, maybe not, I could care less, drugs are not part of my perosnal BB world.
I do know that their are plenty of bodybuilders just like me, who are not IFBB pros but built fine contest bodies on little or no drugs  my friends. We will just keep on making gains and you can wats etime posting about how it is impossible. Good luck, Howard

[Van_Bilderass]

I do know that their are plenty of bodybuilders just like me, who are not IFBB pros but built fine contest bodies on little or no drugs  my friends. We will just keep on making gains and you can wats etime posting about how it is impossible. Good luck, Howard

LOL, first it was you could build a fantastic competitor physique with no drugs. Now it's with "little drugs". Just like in the pro drug testing topic you are changing your opinion slowly as you realize that drug free = nothing to look at. 

[aliamini]

I wrote this over 2 years ago … hope it helps


http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=53594.msg832488#msg832488

[Howard]

LOL, first it was you could build a fantastic competitor physique with no drugs. Now it's with "little drugs". Just like in the pro drug testing topic you are changing your opinion slowly as you realize that drug free = nothing to look at. 

My pt was and is, that you don't need a boatload of drugs , like GH15 states to compete in a Mr Podunk and do well.
Sure, I use Androgel, now at 49 to keep my testosterone levels in mid range normal/ideal range.
I did use small amounts of drugs from 1983 -1986 and competed without anything from 87-95.
If drugs taken years ago, has an effect on my muscle building now, I sure got a lot from that stuff LOL.

It is my impression that gh15 simply wants to belive that any decent, contest physique is the result of drugs and drugs only, which is crazy.
Do all elite level pros use drugs? Of course.
Does every city or state champ use? No!

[musclehedz]

We don't want to see swimmers, but big dudes with razorsharp conditioning. Imagine drug free olympic sports etc. it woudn't be fun to watch.