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So, anyone here has ever tried it?
results?
Personaly i stick to normal diet - cardio.
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So, anyone here has ever tried it?
Billy Guns has! :D
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So, anyone here has ever tried it?
results?
Personaly i stick to normal diet - cardio.
Works better if you are on juice. For most naturals, they would lose a lot of size and fullness. Naturals are probably better off dieting with about 100 grms of carbs a day, where as juicers can do fine on 50 grms of carbs or less. Of course there's always exceptions to this.
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good for fat loss, shitty for contest prep
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Works better if you are on juice. For most naturals, they would lose a lot of size and fullness. Naturals are probably better off dieting with about 100 grms of carbs a day, where as juicers can do fine on 50 grms of carbs or less. Of course there's always exceptions to this.
why do you think that ?
i think a high fat diet is a much better idea for a natural than it is for somebody enhanced.
and ketosis would be protein sparing. where as an enhanced athelete doesnt really need to worry about that as much.
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good for fat loss, shitty for contest prep
how much cardio you doing with all those carbs, stavios? or does alex have some kind of hidden trick up his sleeve to allow all that sugar ? lol
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This dude seems to dislike it greatly
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why do you think that ?
i think a high fat diet is a much better idea for a natural than it is for somebody enhanced.
and ketosis would be protein sparing. where as an enhanced athelete doesnt really need to worry about that as much.
From my own experience, I get flat very quickly when I drop carbs as low as Palumbo reccomends. I get no pump whatsoever. A juicer is going to have more glycogen storage, more muscle hydration, water retention, so they're not affected as severely as a natural. Throw, GH into the picture and you have even more fullness. Again, like I said, it's not the same for everyone, but you can always spot naturals on super low carbs, they get real stringy looking.
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how much cardio you doing with all those carbs, stavios? or does alex have some kind of hidden trick up his sleeve to allow all that sugar ? lol
top secret 8)
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From my own experience, I get flat very quickly when I drop carbs as low as Palumbo reccomends. I get no pump whatsoever. A juicer is going to have more glycogen storage, more muscle hydration, water retention, so they're not affected as severely as a natural. Throw, GH into the picture and you have even more fullness. Again, like I said, it's not the same for everyone, but you can always spot naturals on super low carbs, they get real stringy looking.
well i think dave recommends high intensity low volume traiing, thus depleting very little glycogen; and he allows for one re feed meal per week, PLUS 50 trace carbs very day.. which in theory is enough glycogen to power your workouts and to preserve muscle tissue
as a natural the best diet i ever did was the anabolic diet by pasquale.. high fat zero starch weekdays with a two day carb up on the weekends..
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It amazes me how Palumbo (I won't call him Dave as I'm not his buddy) has managed to manoeuvre his elephantine hips into the position of 'bodybuilding guru'.
This is a guy whose picture is frequently posted on websites as an example of one of the worst ever physiques. He has a medical condition named after him - joke or not - and he sold fake GH to his supposed friends.
He is also extremely effeminate and uses too much eyeliner.
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never tried his diet out. ive always done low carb when dieting and it works for me. if it aint broke dont fix it
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I'm doing it now, preparing for a contest.I feel much better than I normally do on low carbs, I am full and droping fat at 2 to 3 pounds a week. I do agree though the a natural would loose size on this diet.
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Since when is low carb, zero carb.. etc.. Palumbo's diet?
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so where the hell is the diet?
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Since when is low carb, zero carb.. etc.. Palumbo's diet?
Palumbo's diet is ketogenic, which as Candi already explained is < 50g carbs a day, with no direct carbohydrate sources.
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Since when is low carb, zero carb.. etc.. Palumbo's diet?
well he has his own version of the keto diet that ,many before him have used..
heres his version
6 meals a day. 50 grams protein, 25 grams healthy fats, 10 grams trace carbs per meal. one refeed meal each week.
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I'm doing it now, preparing for a contest.I feel much better than I normally do on low carbs, I am full and droping fat at 2 to 3 pounds a week. I do agree though the a natural would loose size on this diet.
Unless you're using DNP with your clen and t3, that's not all fat. I promise you. Even still it wouldn't be.
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Palumbo's diet is ketogenic,
Fine, Palumbo recommends his saps 'clients' do Keto. That's fine. Let's not get confused here and credit the fake GH peddler with 'inventing' Keto.
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Unless you're using DNP with your clen and t3, that's not all fat. I promise you. Even still it wouldn't be.
how can you make a blanket statement like that ? ::)
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well he has his own version of the keto diet
heres his version
Here's my version of Keto/Atkins.
I call it Katkins becuase I am a guru.
You eat fats and proteins all week and carb up on the weekend.
However, my twist to it all is that you eat your meals while doing a handstand.
That will be 500 dollars and if you need some fake GH, I've got a garage full of it :D
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Fine, Palumbo recommends his saps 'clients' do Keto. That's fine. Let's not get confused here and credit the fake GH peddler with 'inventing' Keto.
who you gonna credit? lyle mcdonald? atkins? mario pasquale? dan duchaine? ... or how about the swedish doctors who back in the early 20th century first thought about using ketosis to keep epilepsy patients form having seizures.. ???
you can give palumbo credit for his version of it. nothing wrong with that.
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Fine, Palumbo recommends his saps 'clients' do Keto. That's fine. Let's not get confused here and credit the fake GH peddler with 'inventing' Keto.
Well he recommends it to his clients, and the public, so who does that leave?
How is anyone crediting him anything? It is his version of a ketogenic diet. How does a man 'invent' a metabolic state?
LOL stupid.
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how can you make a blanket statement like that ? ::)
If you were aware of the resources the body requires to burn that amount of adipose tissue, you would understand and realize the improbability (especially continually on a week to week basis). An easy way to determine what is being lost is through caliper measurements.
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Haven't tried it, but extremely low carbs doesn't sound that good to me.
I wanna be active during the day and keep a sharp mind.
Right now i'm doing a slow diet. Little caloric deficit, just by watching the carbs.
Weight is coming off very slowly (have lost 4kg = 9 pounds), and waist has gone down two inches. I'm new to dieting, but i guess this is a good trade-off.
Strenght is good, no real cravings, dieting is pretty easy.
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If you were aware of the resources the body requires to burn that amount of adipose tissue, you would understand and realize that improbability (especially continually on a week to week basis). An easy way to determine what is being lost is through caliper measurements.
50 grams of carbs per day plus 1 refeed of 300 grams of carbs.. your gonna have al the glucose metabolism by products you need in order to metabolise that adipose..
so tel me again how you can guarantee your gonna lose muscle on keto ?
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Well he recommends it to his clients, and the public, so who does that leave?
How is anyone crediting him anything? It is his version of a ketogenic diet. How does a man 'invent' a metabolic state?
LOL stupid.
He hasn't changed the diet and the long established principles of it for it to merit being called 'his' version.
He sticks them on keto. He simply does what thousands have been doing since long before he switched from drug addict/dealer to contest expert.
Do his clients look as good as he did? I wonder if he hooks them up with some genuine gear instead of the fake crap he was jailed for.
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50 grams of carbs per day plus 1 refeed of 300 grams of carbs.. your gonna have al the glucose metabolism by products you need in order to metabolise that adipose..
so tel me again how you can guarantee your gonna lose muscle on keto ?
Stay on track, as that wasn't the argument. It was what the amount of weight being lost consisted of (adipose, lbm, water).
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Stay on track, as that wasn't the argument. It was what the amount of weight being lost consisted of (adipose, lbm, water).
okay, and im asking you to prove how you can gurantee that weight loss on keto HAS to include lbm.
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He hasn't changed the diet and the long established principles of it for it to merit being called 'his' version.
He sticks them on keto. He simply does what thousands have been doing since long before he switched from drug addict/dealer to contest expert.
Do his clients look as good as he did? I wonder if he hooks them up with some genuine gear instead of the fake crap he was jailed for.
not really. alot of the more famous keto diets are cyclic.
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okay, and im asking you to prove how you can gurantee that weight loss on keto HAS to include lbm.
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As I stated earlier, caliper measurements where lbm and lbs of fat are calculated will most certainly show this if he is losing 2-3lbs per week.
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Unless you're using DNP with your clen and t3, that's not all fat. I promise you. Even still it wouldn't be.
No DNP, sure you may loose a little muscle getting ready for a contest. I'm just trying something new. I always do low carbs the last 4 of 5 weeks before a contest but feel like cap. On this diet with the high fat intake I'm feeling great and haven't lost strength like I usually do. It may not work for everyone ,but so far I'm liking it.
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I think that the Palumbo diet is shit and it was his way of "cashing in" on doing something different. I know 3 guys that worked with him and they all had the same exact diet and cycle even though they were all in different weight classes. It was an easy way for him to collect $350 from many, many people. In theory it should work great but it just doesn't. All of his guys are conditioned but flat as fuck. The ONLY guy he has "prepped" that has done well is Evan Centopani. He was working with Tony Freeman but I know for a fact that Tony wasn't following what Dave was saying because my best friend trained with Tony everyday.
Plus, look at all the top pros. . . none of them use the "Palumbo diet." They all use carb cycling with insulin on "high" days. That's just how it's done these days.
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how can you make a blanket statement like that ? ::)
probably because sean is ten times the prep guy
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all my guys dont do cardio, clen, t3 or dnp. They have low days 1-3 a week, no lower then 100 and most high days are 350 and a long stagger over 20 weeks. Shit one of my guys gets sliced to the bone and he HAS to eat 300 carbs a day right to show. Depleting, cutting water, fucking with sodium are all shit people do who are not ready and trying to fix it last second. If your not ready 3-4 weeks out, your not gonna be. Its called lazy fucks and bodybuilders usually are leaning on there drugs instead of hard diet and hard intense training. My guys are all overall winners, class winners and some master nationals guys. So far so good. I would never keto them for as long as this diet does. Look at evan, used to come in full and hard, now hes hard and flat...
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all my guys dont do cardio, clen, t3 or dnp. They have low days 1-3 a week, no lower then 100 and most high days are 350 and a long stagger over 20 weeks. Shit one of my guys gets sliced to the bone and he HAS to eat 300 carbs a day right to show. Depleting, cutting water, fucking with sodium are all shit people do who are not ready and trying to fix it last second. If your not ready 3-4 weeks out, your not gonna be. Its called lazy fucks and bodybuilders usually are leaning on there drugs instead of hard diet and hard intense training. My guys are all overall winners, class winners and some master nationals guys. So far so good. I would never keto them for as long as this diet does. Look at evan, used to come in full and hard, now hes hard and flat...
sounds like you know what you're doing. good post.
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any newB can come up with a carb cycling diet...
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nobody thinks their shit stinks. especially in bodybuilding. so your think your prep is GOLD, huh? lol. any fucking newB can come up with a carb cycling diet... shit, you probably just copied some chris aceto shit right out of flex magazine and now you charge guys for it.. yeah your a real stand up guy ! Roll Eyes
I don't think anything he said warranted that kind of response. He was pretty much right on. Sorry that there are factual arguments against your blind devotion to the Palumbo diet (which is actually a re-hashed version of the Pasquale diet, and the Adkins diet before him). If you'd sit back and read instead of taking this argumentative and defensive stance, you'd probably pick up a thing or two and figure out what truly works best for you.
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i edited that immidetly after posting it..
im not saying i would use palumbos diet to prep
what i am saying is that guaranteeing someone they are goign to lose muscle on keto is arrogant and closed minded.
and i alrady addressed the precursors to palumbo's version...whcih is more detailed than just pasquale and atkins..
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Whats the difference between Palumbo's diet and the Anabolic diet??
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It amazes me how Palumbo (I won't call him Dave as I'm not his buddy) has managed to manoeuvre his elephantine hips into the position of 'bodybuilding guru'.
This is a guy whose picture is frequently posted on websites as an example of one of the worst ever physiques. He has a medical condition named after him - joke or not - and he sold fake GH to his supposed friends.
He is also extremely effeminate and uses too much eyeliner.
Yes! Exactly the points I make. What makes him a genius about anything. I don't go running to the local coke head for advice on which weed to buy and I wouldn't go to palumbo to ask him about what supps or drugs to buy. If someone with a physique like Nubret recomended something to me I'd try it but someone as grotesque as Palumbo, fuck that!
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yeah but apparently pulombo is a med school drop out so hes supposed to have some sort of a background in medicine and thats why people call him an authority on drugs and nutrition.
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yeah but apparently pulombo is a med school drop out so hes supposed to have some sort of a background in medicine and thats why people call him an authority on drugs and nutrition.
I always call law school dropouts for legal advice and people that spent one day at mechanics school to fix my car.
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I always call law school dropouts for legal advice and people that spent one day at mechanics school to fix my car.
thats cool, im not for or against him im just stating why people listen to him.
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i edited that immidetly after posting it..
im not saying i would use palumbos diet to prep
what i am saying is that guaranteeing someone they are goign to lose muscle on keto is arrogant and closed minded.
and i alrady addressed the precursors to palumbo's version...whcih is more detailed than just pasquale and atkins..
Not sure who you're referring to here, but if it was meant towards me, you also have a comprehension problem. AGAIN, I stated that losing weight at the rate of 2-3lbs per week, fat is not the only thing being lost. Where are you getting lost?
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yeah but apparently pulombo is a med school drop out so hes supposed to have some sort of a background in medicine and thats why people call him an authority on drugs and nutrition.
I believe Lonnie Teper debunked that "story" a while back.
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I believe Lonnie Teper debunked that "story" a while back.
how so? not that i follow his shit but just curious
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So, anyone here has ever tried it?
results?
Personaly i stick to normal diet - cardio.
i have tried it.
i used it last year during a prep, and followed it to the letter.
it is an no- brainer type diet. like crusie control. you eat the same foods, every meal, every day at the same times, unlike say a carb rotation where you have to balance carbs/ protein on given days and make caloric adjustments depending on how much of each nutrient you are taking in on that day. probably the most user- freindly diet you will ever use, really.
i found the three days leading into ketosis were the most difficult, after that the cravings and lethargy associated with a typical low carb or even carb cycle were non- existent until about the 3-4 week out mark where your body's demands for energy cannot be fed from fat stores as they have become depleted. strength was good and energy levels very good until the 3 week out mark as well.
i also found that by staying in ketosis instead of taking the advocated carb-up on weekends accelerated fat loss.
the only drawback is that i could not fill out on the 60 grams of carbs over 6 meals that he says should fill you out. being a larger competitor, i am more used to around 500-700 grams of carbs over the 3 days to fill me out. it took a good 2-3 days of grazing after the show to fill out to the point where i was satisifed.
that being said, i would recommend if you try this diet to go into ketoisis, glycogen deplete yourself for several days and see how long it will take you to fill out once that depleted instead of waiting till the week of the show so you know better where you stand.
if you have any other questions, post them up.
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Once tried an atkins-approach and it seems great, though I was too lazy to pull through.
Starting again now - only change is I eat lots of salad.
If one eats enough good oils, "feelings of flatness" don't seem to occur.
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Remember how scarce Palumbo got when his boy Big Anthony keeled over?
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Palumbo is reasonably clever (maybe very clever by bodybuilding standards) but he is a dangerous person. Dangerous to himself and others.
Nasser has told many times of discovering this acromegalion injecting itself with nubain in the bathroom. He is a serious drug dependent monster with questionable sexuality.
Also,as has been mentioned by others. Why would someone want advice from the man who built one of the worst physiques ever seen on a stage?
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It amazes me how Palumbo (I won't call him Dave as I'm not his buddy) has managed to manoeuvre his elephantine hips into the position of 'bodybuilding guru'.
This is a guy whose picture is frequently posted on websites as an example of one of the worst ever physiques. He has a medical condition named after him - joke or not - and he sold fake GH to his supposed friends.
He is also extremely effeminate and uses too much eyeliner.
Physique is defined by genetics. Muscle mass and lean..uh..ness are done through juice, workouts, and diet. As ugly as palumbo looks.... he always comes in totally shredded and jacked.
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I believe Lonnie Teper debunked that "story" a while back.
I wanna hear this. Where and when did he do this? I was always suspicious too.
Anyone know, did Palumbo go to med school for a couple of years or whatever he claims?
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Palumbo is reasonably clever (maybe very clever by bodybuilding standards) but he is a dangerous person. Dangerous to himself and others.
Nasser has told many times of discovering this acromegalion injecting itself with nubain in the bathroom. He is a serious drug dependent monster with questionable sexuality.
Also,as has been mentioned by others. Why would someone want advice from the man who built one of the worst physiques ever seen on a stage?
Nubain doesn't make Dave a monster. He had an issue with a substance as we all have an issue with somethings. The man knew his bodybuilding.
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Palumbo is reasonably clever (maybe very clever by bodybuilding standards) but he is a dangerous person. Dangerous to himself and others.
Nasser has told many times of discovering this acromegalion injecting itself with nubain in the bathroom. He is a serious drug dependent monster with questionable sexuality.
Also,as has been mentioned by others. Why would someone want advice from the man who built one of the worst physiques ever seen on a stage?
absolutely agree...A person who wants to gain and then lose should not work around under 7% at all times...On top of that, the man is in a the fucking medical book for having the first case of what is now called "palumboism"...
All anyone has to do is take a good look at DP's right hand man in Billy and say to themselves "NO THANKS"
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i edited that immidetly after posting it..
im not saying i would use palumbos diet to prep
what i am saying is that guaranteeing someone they are goign to lose muscle on keto is arrogant and closed minded.
and i alrady addressed the precursors to palumbo's version...whcih is more detailed than just pasquale and atkins..
to answer this, i respond exceptionally well to a keto diet, i stay full, veiny and get lean very quick. The problem is i can never fill back out properly in time no matter what i do. I believe they got there place for people like myself and others but most bb'ers are gifted anyway and dont need to go as extreme as 16 weeks keto. For the record, some of my guys are ex palumbo guys. Dave gets it done and sometimes he doesnt just like me and other prep guys. What it comes down to, and im not ashmed to say or have delusions of im the master, is some of our guys will get ready on anything we do, its all about picking what will net the extra 10%. Sorry if i came off offensive, wasnt my attention. I just follow alot of seans advice and his posts and hes really bright as is dave. I have read it all or tried it all one time or another and came up with my own methods but like you said at end of the day its all related in the end, its just how you get around the bumps and bring the fuller harder guy on the least amount shit, for me anyway. I dont like the drugs, all of my guys usually when coming on board end up dropping 50% the shit they are use to. Hard for the ego but they see the results in the end and save there health and money.
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Remember how scarce Palumbo got when his boy Big Anthony keeled over?
I do, anthony was a very close friend and mentor when i was younger. I miss him.
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i found the three days leading into ketosis were the most difficult, after that the cravings and lethargy associated with a typical low carb or even carb cycle were non- existent until about the 3-4 week out mark where your body's demands for energy cannot be fed from fat stores as they have become depleted. strength was good and energy levels very good until the 3 week out mark as well.
i also found that by staying in ketosis instead of taking the advocated carb-up on weekends accelerated fat loss.
the only drawback is that i could not fill out on the 60 grams of carbs over 6 meals that he says should fill you out. being a larger competitor, i am more used to around 500-700 grams of carbs over the 3 days to fill me out. it took a good 2-3 days of grazing after the show to fill out to the point where i was satisifed.
I'm doing the same just staying in ketosis with no cheat meal , I feel much better than I normally do. I felt crappy the first few days but I've been on it for 4 weeks and have not lost strength I'm also not lethargic like I usually get on low carbs.
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Palumbo is reasonably clever (maybe very clever by bodybuilding standards) but he is a dangerous person. Dangerous to himself and others.
Nasser has told many times of discovering this acromegalion injecting itself with nubain in the bathroom. He is a serious drug dependent monster with questionable sexuality.
Also,as has been mentioned by others. Why would someone want advice from the man who built one of the worst physiques ever seen on a stage?
Ha ha
TA always cracks me up. :)
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i have tried it.
i used it last year during a prep, and followed it to the letter.
it is an no- brainer type diet. like crusie control. you eat the same foods, every meal, every day at the same times, unlike say a carb rotation where you have to balance carbs/ protein on given days and make caloric adjustments depending on how much of each nutrient you are taking in on that day. probably the most user- freindly diet you will ever use, really.
i found the three days leading into ketosis were the most difficult, after that the cravings and lethargy associated with a typical low carb or even carb cycle were non- existent until about the 3-4 week out mark where your body's demands for energy cannot be fed from fat stores as they have become depleted. strength was good and energy levels very good until the 3 week out mark as well.
i also found that by staying in ketosis instead of taking the advocated carb-up on weekends accelerated fat loss.
the only drawback is that i could not fill out on the 60 grams of carbs over 6 meals that he says should fill you out. being a larger competitor, i am more used to around 500-700 grams of carbs over the 3 days to fill me out. it took a good 2-3 days of grazing after the show to fill out to the point where i was satisifed.
that being said, i would recommend if you try this diet to go into ketoisis, glycogen deplete yourself for several days and see how long it will take you to fill out once that depleted instead of waiting till the week of the show so you know better where you stand.
if you have any other questions, post them up.
Got any pics from the show? :D
Jason
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Where is TheBlockhead? He is a pretty big fan of, and very knowledgable about this, IIRC.
Jason
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Got any pics from the show? :D
Jason
all kinds.
can you see one?
no.
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all kinds.
can you see one?
no.
:)
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I think that the Palumbo diet is shit and it was his way of "cashing in" on doing something different. I know 3 guys that worked with him and they all had the same exact diet and cycle even though they were all in different weight classes. It was an easy way for him to collect $350 from many, many people. In theory it should work great but it just doesn't. All of his guys are conditioned but flat as fuck. The ONLY guy he has "prepped" that has done well is Evan Centopani. He was working with Tony Freeman but I know for a fact that Tony wasn't following what Dave was saying because my best friend trained with Tony everyday.
Plus, look at all the top pros. . . none of them use the "Palumbo diet." They all use carb cycling with insulin on "high" days. That's just how it's done these days.
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not only we use carbs but we use high carbs at 400-700grams daily,,when wil you understand that once a criminal and cheater + always criminal and cheater,,dont you see the fella only come to getbig to write something that going on on the md criminal headquarters? he is up for use and abuse of the system ,,this is how he make his money little diff than milos but at the end its all the same thing with milos being the less of a liar
always cycle yoru carbs while preping period
distelled water is garbage friends...i dont think arnold knew what he was drinking or larry for that matter,,regular watwer is just fine,,the duretic aldactone or inject lasix or diazide or combo ratio in a pill is what we use...thats why jason had the best physiqe he could achieve in 2001 ...not the fuckin water he drank
when will you learn that bodybuilder doesnt need much cardio?? what are your runners? thats why you sit on stage at flat 170lb,,you buy all those hormones and then waste them while cardioing yourself into boniness
also,,inorder to get in superir condition while doing any kind of diet ANY KIND OF DIET ,,you need drugs period,,you dont use drugs? youll end up 150 for the average guys,,180 for the fatzos that start at 250 28%,,antenas dont count,,6 feet and under thats what the above refering to
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not only we use carbs but we use high carbs at 400-700grams daily,,when wil you understand that once a criminal and cheater + always criminal and cheater,,dont you see the fella only come to getbig to write something that going on on the md criminal headquarters? he is up for use and abuse of the system ,,this is how he make his money little diff than milos but at the end its all the same thing with milos being the less of a liar
always cycle yoru carbs while preping period
distelled water is garbage friends...i dont think arnold knew what he was drinking or larry for that matter,,regular watwer is just fine,,the duretic aldactone or inject lasix or diazide or combo ratio in a pill is what we use...thats why jason had the best physiqe he could achieve in 2001 ...not the fuckin water he drank
when will you learn that bodybuilder doesnt need much cardio?? what are your runners? thats why you sit on stage at flat 170lb,,you buy all those hormones and then waste them while cardioing yourself into boniness
also,,inorder to get in superir condition while doing any kind of diet ANY KIND OF DIET ,,you need drugs period,,you dont use drugs? youll end up 150 for the average guys,,180 for the fatzos that start at 250 28%,,antenas dont count,,6 feet and under thats what the above refering to
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