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Gary and Kathy Earhart gathered with friends and family at their Plano, Tex. home Friday night, devastated parents trying to come to grips with the brutal, high-profile murder of their daughter, Amanda Jo Earhart-Savell.
"He killed our daughter," Kathy Earhart said, adding that the Earhart family is moving forward with a wrongful death lawsuit against David Jacobs' family.
Does this change your perception of the case, or how you felt about the families involved?
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Does this change your perception of the case, or how you felt about the families involved?
I know they're grieving but this accomplished nothing .
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I know they're grieving but this accomplished nothing .
Money accelerates healing.
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Money accelerates healing.
Tell that to the Goldmans , they're still waiting.
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Does this change your perception of the case, or how you felt about the families involved?
Damn straight it does! She just lost her daughter and the stupid bitch wants to cash in by suing another family who also just lost someone. >:(
This will get laughed out of court... Dave Jocob's family didn't kill her, Dave did.
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There are still A LOT of facts that haven't been released yet.
Oh, has a final police report been filed?
Only ike and your BBing media say so, mainstream REAL media reporters are saying that this is just Amanda's family saying this.
Who's the gun OFFICIALLY registered to? And what is sweet girl Amanda doing carrying a gun? How many girls do you know carrying a gun around or having one?
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Money accelerates healing.
you know what they say...That Money time heals all wounds...I'm not understanding how Jacobs Family can be liable in the case..
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This is the American way :)
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There are still A LOT of facts that haven't been released yet.
Oh, has a final police report been filed?
Only ike and your BBing media say so, mainstream REAL media reporters are saying that this is just Amanda's family saying this.
Who's the gun OFFICIALLY registered to? And what is sweet girl Amanda doing carrying a gun? How many girls do you know carrying a gun around or having one?
I see a LOT of hot chicks at the gun range. !
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This whole thing was the girls fault, only a fucking idiot would date or get engaged or whatever to a lowlife drug dealer.
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There are still A LOT of facts that haven't been released yet.
Oh, has a final police report been filed?
Only ike and your BBing media say so, mainstream REAL media reporters are saying that this is just Amanda's family saying this.
Who's the gun OFFICIALLY registered to? And what is sweet girl Amanda doing carrying a gun? How many girls do you know carrying a gun around or having one?
By federal law, there is no way Jacobs should have had 2 guns sitting around - a .22 and a .40 cal, if I remember reading correctly. They took his guns when they busted him, and it was very illegal for him to own one.
Already, she was sitting in a house with obviously illegal guns, along with a pile of weed, coke, and whatever else they brought out.
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By federal law, there is no way Jacobs should have had 2 guns sitting around - a .22 and a .40 cal, if I remember reading correctly. They took his guns when they busted him, and it was very illegal for him to own one.
Already, she was sitting in a house with obviously illegal guns, along with a pile of weed, coke, and whatever else they brought out.
Exactly, she chose to live that lifestyle. I can not understand why people are talking about her like she was some angel.
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...I'm not understanding how Jacobs Family can be liable in the case..
They can't. Even if the Earharts find a lawyer stupid enough to take the case, it will get tossed by the judge. Only greedy white trash would add to the pain of another grieving family by filing a frivolous lawsuit against them.
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Tell that to the Goldmans , they're still waiting.
That's why Fred's still suffering.
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oh man you know what guys ? stop acting like what you say on this shit actually matters at all. everybody acting all official and shit.. hahah...
go eat soem meat and train or soemthng pussys ;D
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That's why Fred's still suffering.
He's still suffering because his son's killer of playing Golf.
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Daves mother is grieving. She lost her son. I am sure she feels heart breaking guilt already. Daves mother did NOT kill her.
I realize the Earhearts are grieving and most likely irrational at this time, but to sue a lady who just lost her child also is not acceptable. I hope they rethink this action.
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oh man you know what guys ? stop acting like what you say on this shit actually matters at all. everybody acting all official and shit.. hahah...
go eat soem meat and train or soemthng pussys ;D
yeah, god help us if, for a change, there is something serious actually discussed here ::)
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yeah, god help us if, for a change, there is something serious actually discussed here ::)
what do you think of melvin's glutes at the arnold this year ? ;D
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He's still suffering because his son's killer of playing Golf.
But he was acquitted.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=102892.475
(Bottom of page, Truceboy. Sarcasm. Lighten up.)
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But he was acquitted.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=102892.475
(Bottom of page, Truceboy. Sarcasm. Lighten up.)
Not in the civil case.
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What does the OJ case have to do with these Jerry Springer rejects from Plano having their hands in the pockets of a grieving family who had nothing to do with this murder?
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What does the OJ case have to do with hands in the pockets of a grieving family who had nothing to do with this murder?
Exactly. No comparison.
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People are disgusting. Always sue sue sue sue!
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What does the OJ case have to do with these Jerry Springer rejects from Plano having their hands in the pockets of a grieving family who had nothing to do with this murder?
It has to do with suing for money that they will never see its an exercise in futility .
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People are disgusting. Always sue sue sue sue!
Money accelerates healing.
ND?
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Money accelerates healing.
ND?
from malpractice sure from from someone's else family I don't think so especially when they don't have anything to do with it. its like suing the Gun companies for misuse of their products .
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It has to do with suing for money that they will never see its an exercise in futility .
They will never see it because it will never be awarded to them in the first place. In the OJ case, the Goldmans won, OJ just hasn't paid. Completely different situations.
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from malpractice sure from from someone's else family I don't think so especially when they don't have anything to do with it. its like suing the Gun companies for misuse of their products .
Tell that to the Goldmans , they're still waiting.
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People are disgusting. Always sue sue sue sue!
Its the American way
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Damn straight it does! She just lost her daughter and the stupid bitch wants to cash in by suing another family who also just lost someone. >:(
This will get laughed out of court... Dave Jocob's family didn't kill her, Dave did.
okay people. one last time. they aren't suing Jacobs' family. they are suing the estate of Dave Jacobs. it was an inartfully worded statement.
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okay people. one last time. they aren't suing Jacobs' family. they are suing the estate of Dave Jacobs.
Why?
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okay people. one last time. they aren't suing Jacobs' family. they are suing the estate of Dave Jacobs. it was an inartfully worded statement.
That's not what the article said.
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Why?
they will file a lawsuit against Jacobs' estate because he is no longer alive to be sued. it will be a wrongful death action. his estate has value, especially if he got an advance on his book deal, or if there was a manuscript already prepared for publishing. why shouldn't Jacobs pay for what he did?
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That's not what the article said.
and i suppose newspapers never get anything wrong. one more time. it was an inartfully worded statement.
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they will file a lawsuit against Jacobs' estate because he is no longer alive to be sued. it will be a wrongful death action. his estate has value, especially if he got an advance on his book deal, or if there was a manuscript already prepared for publishing. why shouldn't Jacobs pay for what he did?
Because money accelerates healing.
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they will file a lawsuit against Jacobs' estate because he is no longer alive to be sued. it will be a wrongful death action. his estate has value, especially if he got an advance on his book deal, or if there was a manuscript already prepared for publishing. why shouldn't Jacobs pay for what he did?
Word is he was having financial troubles. I doubt there's anything in his "estate".
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and i suppose newspapers never get anything wrong. one more time. it was an inartfully worded statement.
And you know this how? What gives you more credibility than the reporter?
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Its the American way
what do you think of melvin's glutes at the arnold this year ?
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from malpractice sure from from someone's else family I don't think so especially when they don't have anything to do with it. its like suing the Gun companies for misuse of their products .
Agreed. I think this family cant resist their sad and empty feeling of not being able to blame anybody(Since the author of this incident is a dead :-\).
And they are ended up for doing this strange stupid thing blaming his family...Ridiculous.
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okay people. one last time. they aren't suing Jacobs' family. they are suing the estate of Dave Jacobs. it was an inartfully worded statement.
Thanks and whoops.
That is different then. I had stated in my post in the other thread if that was misinformation I apologize, but repeat that sentiment.
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People are disgusting. Always sue sue sue sue!
It's strange that this type of bahaviour mostly happens in the states
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What does the OJ case have to do with these Jerry Springer rejects from Plano having their hands in the pockets of a grieving family who had nothing to do with this murder?
SHows you what type of upbringing the chick had..."she wants it now damn it"....
Then again, the dude was a drug dealer, maybe they think they can get some of the drug money... ::)
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why shouldn't Jacobs pay for what he did to that girl. was anyone upset when the goldmans and the browns sued oj?
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why shouldn't Jacobs pay for what he did to that girl. was anyone upset when the goldmans and the browns sued oj?
Jacobs is dead, he can't pay...... Why should his family pay for what he did? Isn't their suffering punishment enough?
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They can't. Even if the Earharts find a lawyer stupid enough to take the case, it will get tossed by the judge. Only greedy white trash would add to the pain of another grieving family by filing a frivolous lawsuit against them.
Has she even been buried yet?
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Daves mother is grieving. She lost her son. I am sure she feels heart breaking guilt already. Daves mother did NOT kill her.
I realize the Earhearts are grieving and most likely irrational at this time, but to sue a lady who just lost her child also is not acceptable. I hope they rethink this action.
Very well said. D
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Has she even been buried yet?
No. The funerals are Sunday, I believe the papers said. Word is, Vince Basile is trying to make it here to attend.
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was anyone upset when the goldmans and the browns sued oj?
OJ's "real killer" search has obviously led him to the golf course. Taking OJ's golf money protects Fred's caddy friends, who clearly conspired to kill his n' lover-loving son.
So, no.
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OJ's "real killer" search has obviously led him to the golf course.
Perfectly reasonable place to look. Lots of bad people can be found on golf courses. ;D
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Tell that to the Goldmans , they're still waiting.
they were truely done wrong. it amazes me that oj is still walking free
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they were truely done wrong. it amazes me that oj is still walking free
He was found not guilty by a jury of his peers who spent weeks examining the evidence. Perhaps they know more about it than you or I do? His vilification by the media is not relevant.
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presmably he supplied her with bodybuilding drugs
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presmably he supplied her with bodybuilding drugs
Oh, didn't you know? All figure girls are "natural". ;D ;)
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Oh, didn't you know? All figure girls are "natural". ;D ;)
Natural in the IFBB Women Fitness screen is less than 400 mg of Primobolan weekly and 25mg winny per daily..
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Jacobs is dead, he can't pay...... Why should his family pay for what he did? Isn't their suffering punishment enough?
are you retarded kid? his family isn't going to be sued.
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By federal law, there is no way Jacobs should have had 2 guns sitting around - a .22 and a .40 cal, if I remember reading correctly. They took his guns when they busted him, and it was very illegal for him to own one.
Already, she was sitting in a house with obviously illegal guns, along with a pile of weed, coke, and whatever else they brought out.
What a dumb bitch! I'm sure she pushed him to do it.
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No. The funerals are Sunday, I believe the papers said. Word is, Vince Basile is trying to make it here to attend.
Unbelievable.
The young woman has not even been laid to rest yet and people are talking about wrongful death lawsuits.
Any approximations on what Jacobs' estate might be worth? Guys like that don't usually have any life insurance.
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Any approximations on what Jacobs' estate might be worth?
Sure. Accountants usually write such figures in brackets or parentheses. If using a spreadsheet, they might appear in red font rather than black.
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Sure. Accountants usually write such figures in brackets or parentheses. If using a spreadsheet, they might appear in red font rather than black.
Dave looked like a wise man..I'm sure he has money in a retirement account somewhere..
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Sure. Accountants usually write such figures in brackets or parentheses. If using a spreadsheet, they might appear in red font rather than black.
LOL @ parentheses and red font!!
That's what I suspected. I would imagine, even if they were able to take some proceeds from the sale of his home, that any outstanding civil fines would have to be paid before any potential jury award.
In general, do creditors get paid before the state or do civil fines take precedence? I'd have to believe that wrongful death complainants, even if victorious at trial, would be last in line to collect.
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Daves mother is grieving. She lost her son. I am sure she feels heart breaking guilt already. Daves mother did NOT kill her.
I realize the Earhearts are grieving and most likely irrational at this time, but to sue a lady who just lost her child also is not acceptable. I hope they rethink this action.
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It's strange that this type of bahaviour mostly happens in the states
Not really. We have some of the most selfish, self-absorbed people on earth.
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LOL @ parentheses and red font!!
That's what I suspected. I would imagine, even if they were able to take some proceeds from the sale of his home, that any outstanding civil fines would have to be paid before any potential jury award.
In general, do creditors get paid before the state or do civil fines take precedence? I'd have to believe that wrongful death complainants, even if victorious at trial, would be last in line to collect.
correct Tre. Amanda's family would be nothing but an unsecured creditor. secured debt gets paid first, such as his mortgage. then any fines assessed in his criminal case. then all unsecured creditors in date order
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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/060708dnsposherringtoncol.2c5b402.html
(There's a video interview with Dave on this story page as well, pretty interesting...
Don Hooton recently received a message about a guy wanting to take up the cause, maybe talk to youth about the dangers of steroids.
Unfortunately, Hooton never got around to calling David Jacobs.
"Waiting a week or two can be fairly costly, I guess," Hooton said.
Jacobs once wanted badly to tell his high-profile story. You could see it in interviews and read it between the lines. Most men in his perilous position would run from reporters and the soul-baring spotlight. Not Jacobs.
Video
In an April 2008 interview, David Jacobs talked about his experiences as a steroids user and dealer (DMN - Video/editing: Nathan
Girls report severe reactions to Gardasil vaccine
Once mastermind of one of the nation's largest steroids networks, he gave the NFL canceled checks and e-mails and text messages and names. He figured to "clean up" sports. Go national. Clear his conscience.
Before his death, ruled a suicide Friday by the Dallas County medical examiner, Jacobs kept a running dialogue with reporters from this newspaper. Last month, he reportedly scheduled a meeting with one from ESPN.com.
But something happened to dull Jacobs' chattiness. Could have been the NFL security detail that spooked him when it showed up at his door unannounced. Could have been the friends who suddenly distanced themselves.
Could have been the prospect of becoming a pariah in the town where he lived.
"If Jacobs lived in New York or even Duluth, Minn., things might have been different," wrote ESPN.com's Shaun Assael, author of Steroid Nation. "But he lived in Plano, Texas. ... A town that was thrown onto the steroid map by the suicide of high school pitcher Taylor Hooton – and remains there thanks to the crusading efforts of his father, Don."
Don Hooton, who started a foundation in his son's name to educate parents about the dangers of steroids, understands what that last paragraph means. After Taylor, depressed after going off steroids, took his own life, Don heard the denials.
"Public officials here wanted to think that our tragedy might have been an exception," Hooton said. "We're kidding ourselves in any community to think that.
"And here we had one of the largest dealers in the country right under our noses."
Or at least that's what the feds say about Jacobs. For his testimony, he got three years' probation last month.
He supposedly turned over damning information on a half-dozen well-known NFL players. The only player he named publicly was former Cowboy Matt Lehr, and Lehr's attorney says that, based on his conversations with authorities, his client won't be indicted.
But if what Jacobs alleged is true, the NFL has a BALCO case on its hands.
Consider the possibilities, and it hardly seems much of a stretch. If you think only bodybuilders and baseball stars and Olympians and racehorses have been on steroids, you haven't walked through an NFL locker room in the last 20 years.
Players are bigger and more ripped than ever. The beneficial aspects of steroids (increased ability to work out, thus building muscle mass) and at least one detrimental side effect (aggressive behavior) both would contribute to success in football. To think that at least some players in the most violent of professional sports wouldn't take advantage of such an edge is naïve, at best.
How come they rarely test positive then? For the same reasons that Olympians and others haven't, because of masking agents.
Jacobs reportedly had information about those agents, including finasteride, used in treatment for hair loss.
Frankly, Jacobs made lots of public allegations, which was part of the problem. Besides counting athletes as customers, he said he sold to police officers in Garland, Richardson, Dallas, Arlington and Plano. He even said a Plano cop stole $4,500 from him during a raid last year.
"One of the feds told me that [Jacobs] was talking a lot more than they wanted him to," Hooton said. "They weren't happy about that at all.
"The last thing they want to see is all this stuff on the evening news."
Sometime in the last month, the message must have gotten through to Jacobs. Three days before the ESPN interview, he canceled with an e-mail that read in part:
"Everyone's getting their big stories, front page headlines and bonuses but I am not getting anything in any way except a guarantee of thousands of people to be extremely pissed off at me for ruining the images of their favorite sport and heroes."
Also Online
Video: David Jacobs tells his story in a May 2008 interview at his Plano home.
Link: Watch Amanda Jo Earhart-Savell training with David Jacobs for the 2007 Figure Olympia contest
05/22/08: Plano steroids supplier meets with NFL security officials
05/02/08: Plano steroids supplier wants to help clean up NFL
04/25/08: Plano resident's steroid distribution ring was one of the largest in U.S.
11/14/07: Plano trainer says he supplied Cowboys players with steroids
So now that Jacobs is dead, as well as his on-again, off-again girlfriend, Amanda Jo Earhart-Savell, what will be his legacy?
Will he become the reformed sinner who forced the NFL to undergo the same scrutiny that has scarred Major League Baseball?
Or will his allegations fade as the uncorroborated testimony of a dealer with delusions of celebrity?
Hard to say. But everything he once alleged so willingly must now be investigated, and not just for its lurid potential. Whether you believe Jacobs' sad story ended in murder-suicide or something even more sinister, it's a story, like Taylor Hooton's, that shouldn't die with him.
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Or will his allegations fade as the uncorroborated testimony of a dealer with delusions of celebrity?
Gee, you think maybe a whole lot of people had motive to silence him and make it look like a murder/suicide to further discredit him? ::)
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Tell that to the Goldmans , they're still waiting.
Do you have any idea how many other people have been killed since the OJ thing?
White people's complicated bereavement is one of the reasons I doubt Obama has a real chance at winning, LOL!
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Do you have any idea how many other people have been killed since the OJ thing?
White people's complicated bereavement is one of the reasons I doubt Obama has a real chance at winning, LOL!
LOL @ complicated bereavement!
Gee, you think maybe a whole lot of people had motive to silence him and make it look like a murder/suicide to further discredit him? ::)
I don't think it was to discredit him...I think they just wanted him silenced.
Goat - in your opinion, which is more rare? A 2-gunshot 'suicide' or a narcissist's suicide? I would argue that the extreme rarity of both events makes this one worth investigating for someone.
Of course, the fact that Jacobs was ever able to date Amanda in the first place was itself a statistical anomaly.
correct Tre. Amanda's family would be nothing but an unsecured creditor. secured debt gets paid first, such as his mortgage. then any fines assessed in his criminal case. then all unsecured creditors in date order
Thanks, Emn. I hope they don't decide to waste a lot of money pursuing lint balls. I was going to send them a check, but in light of this new information have instead just now made a donation to Alex's Lemonade Stand in Amanda's honor. I know that gifts are supposed to be for whatever the family needs, but the last thing I'd want is for any contribution I made ending up in the hands of an attorney.
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He could have had life insurance, in which case the beneficiary was St. Amanda of Plano or his family, not his estate.
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Damn straight it does! She just lost her daughter and the stupid bitch wants to cash in by suing another family who also just lost someone. >:(
This will get laughed out of court... Dave Jocob's family didn't kill her, Dave did.
Correct.
Unless Jacobs was a dependent of his parents, they could not sue their estate....perhaps his own, but not extended family.
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They will never see it because it will never be awarded to them in the first place. In the OJ case, the Goldmans won, OJ just hasn't paid. Completely different situations.
OJ has an annuity that generates 300K of income per year.....retirement accounts such as this are untouchable in legal entanglements ala OJ
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He could have had life insurance, in which case the beneficiary was St. Amanda of Plano or his family, not his estate.
Interesting point. Since life insurance is paid directly to a third party and is not part of the deceased's estate, it would not be subject any judgements.
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He could have had life insurance, in which case the beneficiary was St. Amanda of Plano or his family, not his estate.
Single guys in his line of work almost never have life insurance.
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how can they sue their family. what does jacobs family have to do with him murdering her? ::)
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Life insurance policies usually have suicide clauses, but I think they're only effective for a few years.
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how can they sue their family. what does jacobs family have to do with him murdering her? ::)
Nothing. That's why this has people pissed off.
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are you retarded kid? his family isn't going to be sued.
Tell that to the Goldmans.
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Single guys in his line of work almost never have life insurance.
I pay:
Homeowner's
Car
Health
Business liability
Malpractice
Disability
Long term health care (for parents) insurances
I don't have life insurance. No dependents, so its not necessary.
If you have dependents, then you are nuts not to have some.
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Nothing. That's why this has people pissed off.
haha ok.
some bright people in the Savell family huh
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Damn straight it does! She just lost her daughter and the stupid bitch wants to cash in by suing another family who also just lost someone. >:(
This will get laughed out of court... Dave Jocob's family didn't kill her, Dave did.
exactly, the case has no merit at all..
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I pay:
Homeowner's
Car
Health
Business liability
Malpractice
Disability
Long term health care (for parents) insurances
I don't have life insurance. No dependents, so its not necessary.
If you have dependents, then you are nuts not to have some.
you're a chiropractor.
dave jacobs was a snitch drug dealer.
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you're a chiropractor.
dave jacobs was a snitch drug dealer.
I know...but someone posted that guys in his position usually don't have any....I interpreted that as same as guys who are single....didn't calculate his misdeeds...so sorry :-[!
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you're a chiropractor.
dave jacobs was a snitch drug dealer.
How do you feel about the second amendment now, 240? Looks like Coach isn't the only one with blood on his hands.
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How do you feel about the second amendment now, 240? Looks like Coach isn't the only one with blood on his hands.
He would have probably just killed her in another manner.
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He would have probably just killed her in another manner.
Lat machine pull down cale to failure, WWF style?
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How do you feel about the second amendment now, 240? Looks like Coach isn't the only one with blood on his hands.
I believe that LAW-ABIDING people should have guns. Felons should not. Dave jacobs was a felon, and had an illegal gun in the house. You could ban guns, but is seems Mr Jacobs wouldn't have listened.
He was dealing drug again and using. He was back to being jacked. The feds found a big pile of coke, weed, and gear there, along with the guns.
The girl was sleeping in a house full of coke, weed, and illegal guns.
It's a sad situation, but I don't know how innocent anyone was in this case. She knew what he was - a drug dealer who ratted on other drug dealers. She knew he had death threats. She knew he as a violent man, and knew that he had tlaked about suicide before. She knew the score, and stayed, despite the pleas of many friends.
Guns aren't to blame here. If he was intent on killing her, a hammer or knife or dumbbell could have been a murder weapon just as easily. Problem here was the angry criminal, not the gun.
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By federal law, there is no way Jacobs should have had 2 guns sitting around - a .22 and a .40 cal, if I remember reading correctly. They took his guns when they busted him, and it was very illegal for him to own one.
Already, she was sitting in a house with obviously illegal guns, along with a pile of weed, coke, and whatever else they brought out.
ALL CLASS ;)
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It's a sad situation, but I don't know how innocent anyone was in this case. She knew what he was - a drug dealer who ratted on other drug dealers. She knew he had death threats. She knew he as a violent man, and knew that he had tlaked about suicide before. She knew the score, and stayed, despite the pleas of many friends.
In no way did she deserve to die. She didn't do herself any favors by getting back together with him, especially after she knew he was arrested and was (about) turning on people. I hear far too many people calling DJ a rat/snitch and what not, but I'm sure they would do the exact same thing if they were in his shoes (rat people out, not kill)...but I digress.
For whatever reason she felt it OK to stay with DJ, it could have been the worst choice she made. Perhaps she decided to move on and the end result we are now reading about.
Problem here was the angry criminal, not the gun.
True, to a point...
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The motivation to sue isn't necessarily one of greed. It has something to do with the Son of Sam statutes that prevents criminals and their beneficiaries from profiting from their crime. So if the Jacobs' family wanted to write a book, publish personal photographs, collaborate on an hbo movie special etc... they couldn't keep the money. Under the statutes, the liability does extend to family members, I think. In high profile cases it's done as an effort to retain dignity for the victim.
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Lat machine pull down cale to failure, WWF style?
I was thinking TapOut.
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I believe that LAW-ABIDING people should have guns. Felons should not. Dave jacobs was a felon, and had an illegal gun in the house. You could ban guns, but is seems Mr Jacobs wouldn't have listened.
He was dealing drug again and using. He was back to being jacked. The feds found a big pile of coke, weed, and gear there, along with the guns.
The girl was sleeping in a house full of coke, weed, and illegal guns.
It's a sad situation, but I don't know how innocent anyone was in this case. She knew what he was - a drug dealer who ratted on other drug dealers. She knew he had death threats. She knew he as a violent man, and knew that he had tlaked about suicide before. She knew the score, and stayed, despite the pleas of many friends.
Guns aren't to blame here. If he was intent on killing her, a hammer or knife or dumbbell could have been a murder weapon just as easily. Problem here was the angry criminal, not the gun.
if guns are not to blame for murder, then explain how canada with their strict gun laws has like 1% of the murder rate that america has
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if guns are not to blame for murder, then explain how america has 99% higher murder rate than say your neighbour land Canada with strict gun laws?
many more factors in play.
Population dispersement, education, poverty, healthcare, for starters.
You put a large group of poor, uneducated canadians with no health insurance into the projects, insert drugs into the equation, and see if they don't start hitting each other with sacks of doorknobs.
Plus, don't 75%+ of canadians smoke pot everyday? you guys are a peaceful lot.
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Another news reporter screwing up a story.
They are sueing the estate of David Jacobs. Not his dad.
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many more factors in play.
Population dispersement, education, poverty, healthcare, for starters.
You put a large group of poor, uneducated canadians with no health insurance into the projects, insert drugs into the equation, and see if they don't start hitting each other with sacks of doorknobs.
Plus, don't 75%+ of canadians smoke pot everyday? you guys are a peaceful lot.
take quote from what i edited i wrote wrong :S
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Another news reporter screwing up a story.
They are sueing the estate of David Jacobs. Not his dad.
Tell that to the Goldmans
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LINK (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iQIk47R92H8MzmAjeZick0C7yjUAD914RSLG0)
Earhart said she was hurt by some media reports that implied that her daughter was a bodybuilder. Earhart said that symmetry and beauty are important in figure competitions so "she wouldn't need to take steroids," because the drugs would have made her too big and bulky.
Either the press is twisting things, or a spokesperson might be an idea here. Things are not coming across well.
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this lawsuit business does nothing but tarnish the girls memory
pathetic
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LINK (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iQIk47R92H8MzmAjeZick0C7yjUAD914RSLG0)
Either the press is twisting things, or a spokesperson might be an idea here. Things are not coming across well.
what do you mean?
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I still don't understand why they would sue his family? They didn't kill her!
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I still don't understand why they would sue his family? They didn't kill her!
Money accelerates healing.
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The motivation to sue isn't necessarily one of greed. It has something to do with the Son of Sam statutes that prevents criminals and their beneficiaries from profiting from their crime. So if the Jacobs' family wanted to write a book, publish personal photographs, collaborate on an hbo movie special etc... they couldn't keep the money. Under the statutes, the liability does extend to family members, I think. In high profile cases it's done as an effort to retain dignity for the victim.
I think you're wrong about that. Under our system of justice you cannot hold an innocent third party responsible for someone else's misdeeds, civilly or criminally. Being related by blood to the criminal doesn't change that fact. Trying to apply "son of sam" laws to the writings of third parties who had no hand in the crime would never pass muster under the First Amendment. If Dave wrote a manuscript before he died, it would be part of his estate, and SOS would apply, but if Dave's family wanted to write a book on their own there's nothing stopping them, since they had nothing to do with the crime.
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here's another scenario...what if she shot him in the guts, then he took the gun from her, shot her a bunch of times, and then shot himself in the head?
Maybe they shot each other.
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Maybe he shot her - but she's really HIM! His Tyler Durden. Suicide by default.
I am Jack's inquisitive Law and Order rerun junkie.
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I know...but someone posted that guys in his position usually don't have any....I interpreted that as same as guys who are single....didn't calculate his misdeeds...so sorry :-[!
I should've said 'single with kids'.
My life insurance is set up with my child as the beneficiary and my sister as the trustee.
The wife wants to be the beneficiary.
Needless to say, she's out of her fucking mind.
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The motivation to sue isn't necessarily one of greed. It has something to do with the Son of Sam statutes that prevents criminals and their beneficiaries from profiting from their crime. So if the Jacobs' family wanted to write a book, publish personal photographs, collaborate on an hbo movie special etc... they couldn't keep the money. Under the statutes, the liability does extend to family members, I think. In high profile cases it's done as an effort to retain dignity for the victim.
Doesn't matter.
Any schmuck on GetBig or Musclephone can sell their version of events...Mrs. E gonna sue 'em all?
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LINK (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iQIk47R92H8MzmAjeZick0C7yjUAD914RSLG0)
Either the press is twisting things, or a spokesperson might be an idea here. Things are not coming across well.
Are you saying that this poor, grieving mother doesn't sound very sympathetic at all?
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I should've said 'single with kids'.
My life insurance is set up with my child as the beneficiary and my sister as the trustee.
The wife wants to be the beneficiary.
Needless to say, she's out of her fucking mind.
Trust issues? :)
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Its sad to say but there both dead, we can talk all we can who shot who, why he had a bullet in his stomach, why she was still with him blah blah, life goes on for us.
Pray for there families hopefully they get over this asap, but can we get back to our lives.
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As pointed out, if Jacobs is found to be liable for her death, his estate, including the equity in his home, equity in his 2007 Escalade, and other property could be sold to satisfy a judgement against his estate. The filing of a suit will be considered a claim against the estate and with appropriate legal action will stay distribution of his estate to his heirs (parents) until the wrongful death claim is resolved.
This has nothing to do with greed. Assuming that Jacobs had a mortgage and a car loan, it is very possible that attorney's fees could outweigh the value of the estate on an hourly basis.
On the other hand, if Jacobs somehow had paid his home and car off and the estate is worth in excess of $250,000, an attorney would take the case on contingency. However, in that event, Jacobs's heirs would probably fight the case to protect their claim to the estate proceeds.
Any way you look at it, it's a terrible tragedy and messy aftermath. Filing a wrongful death suit is befitting the initial stage of grief, which is anger.
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Didn't read the whole thread but this is probably one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. Was Jacob's a minor? How could his family be held responsible for their son's actions? Wake up ppl. The lengths ppl will go to for a quick buck? Amanda's family will turn out to be a two time loser, the loss of their daughter and the money lost for filing such a dumbshit suit. They will be lucky if a counter suit is not filed in which they will lose more money and possibly their home.
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Didn't read the whole thread but this is probably one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. Was Jacob's a minor? How could his family be held responsible for their son's actions? Wake up ppl. The lengths ppl will go to for a quick buck? Amanda's family will turn out to be a two time loser, the loss of their daughter and the money lost for filing such a dumbshit suit. They will be lucky if a counter suit is not filed in which they will lose more money and possibly their home.
stupidity at its finest, he obviously has no capital, like special ED said, the lawyers are the only ones sure to make $$$$..emotions are high now, it should simmer down and logic should kick in...suing someones family, fuck thats stupid!
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Filing a wrongful death suit is befitting the initial stage of grief, which is anger.
The issue is not that they intend to sue his not-so-valuable estate.
The issue is that they made this announcement before their daughter was even in the ground. I readily acknowledge that we all grieve differently, but that's bullshit.
Then the next statement out of the mother's mouth is her insistence that there is a difference between figure competitors and female bodybuilders...as if it's the rest of us who are stupid.
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As pointed out, if Jacobs is found to be liable for her death, his estate, including the equity in his home, equity in his 2007 Escalade, and other property could be sold to satisfy a judgement against his estate. The filing of a suit will be considered a claim against the estate and with appropriate legal action will stay distribution of his estate to his heirs (parents) until the wrongful death claim is resolved.
This has nothing to do with greed. Assuming that Jacobs had a mortgage and a car loan, it is very possible that attorney's fees could outweigh the value of the estate on an hourly basis.
On the other hand, if Jacobs somehow had paid his home and car off and the estate is worth in excess of $250,000, an attorney would take the case on
Hmmmmmmm..... seems like you've given this a lot of thought! Right down to looking at the assets and valuing the potential against hourly legal fees and evaluating contingency potential. You wouldn't happen to be shopping your services, would you? :D
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LOL @ Goat
If Jacobs estate turns out to be worth more than $250,000 (after all current creditors have been paid), then I'll be a monkey's uncle. Hold on, wait...
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As pointed out, if Jacobs is found to be liable for her death, his estate, including the equity in his home, equity in his 2007 Escalade, and other property could be sold to satisfy a judgement against his estate. The filing of a suit will be considered a claim against the estate and with appropriate legal action will stay distribution of his estate to his heirs (parents) until the wrongful death claim is resolved.
This has nothing to do with greed. Assuming that Jacobs had a mortgage and a car loan, it is very possible that attorney's fees could outweigh the value of the estate on an hourly basis.
On the other hand, if Jacobs somehow had paid his home and car off and the estate is worth in excess of $250,000, an attorney would take the case on contingency. However, in that event, Jacobs's heirs would probably fight the case to protect their claim to the estate proceeds.
Any way you look at it, it's a terrible tragedy and messy aftermath. Filing a wrongful death suit is befitting the initial stage of grief, which is anger.
Special Ed...What if Dave was on Disibility for mental illness? And although not a dependent of the Jacobs family but one of them were writing checks and what not for him to live off...Would the Jacobs family or the person in charge of Dave's "checkbook" be held accountable for him at all?
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Special Ed...What if Dave was on Disibility for mental illness? And although not a dependent of the Jacobs family but one of them were writing checks and what not for him to live off...Would the Jacobs family or the person in charge of Dave's "checkbook" be held accountable for him at all?
No, holding Power of Attorney - which is different from a guardianship - does not in any way make that person liable for the actions of anyone.
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i love how its all poor her blah blah blah, she was in the life style spending all that drug money, doing all those same drugs and rec drugs as well and yet shes a vicitim. Give me a fuckin break, she could have easily gotten out whenever she wanted. She rode the satan train and got burnt....period.
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i love how its all poor her blah blah blah, she was in the life style spending all that drug money, doing all those same drugs and rec drugs as well and yet shes a vicitim. Give me a fuckin break, she could have easily gotten out whenever she wanted. She rode the satan train and got burnt....period.
satan train??