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Title: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Mark Kerr on July 17, 2008, 08:34:50 AM
6 fried eggs over easy
1 cup grits with cheese and ketchup
1 glass fat free milk

If you eat this before bed everynight, how would you look in 18 months?
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: kyomu on July 17, 2008, 08:36:08 AM
6 fried eggs over easy
1 cup grits with cheese and ketchup
1 glass fat free milk

If you eat this before bed everynight, how would you look in 18 months?
FAT.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Mark Kerr on July 17, 2008, 08:38:31 AM
FAT.

You think?

How fat?
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: kyomu on July 17, 2008, 08:42:11 AM
You think?

How fat?
You will get muscle also. But gain fat with oil that you use when you cook your egg and lactose of cheese and milk.
And Ketchup contain a lot of sugar to lais your insulin level very high to ensure your fat storege. Especialy, night time is worse.

You will look like power lifter.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 17, 2008, 08:44:41 AM
fact : comercial milk has sugars added for flavor....minimum 4.5 g / 100ml ...translation....I'll be gentle and say that 1liter has at least 60 g sugars. Why the fuck bother with fat free when it has SUGARS ????????????

ANOTHER THING :  before bed, you need protein, some fibers maybe....no carbs imo because you'll just go to sleep after so no need for more energy. Maybe if your last meal is right after a late workout.

for muscle gaining the best last meal of the day would be steak and eggs...
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 08:45:28 AM
You will get muscle also. But gain fat with oil that you use when you cook your egg and lactose of cheese and milk.
And Ketchup contain a lot of sugar to lais your insulin level very high to ensure your fat storege. Especialy, night time is worse.

You will look like power lifter.
i agree. very fat looking. but not cause of lactose. lactose digests suuuppppeeeerrrrrr sllloooowwwwwwwwwww. it cause water retention though, which makes you THINK you gain fat.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Mark Kerr on July 17, 2008, 08:47:08 AM
I mean eating this meal 20 minutes before going to bed.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: elite_lifter on July 17, 2008, 08:50:02 AM
I mean eating this meal 20 minutes before going to bed.
Still    F       A        T
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: tommywishbone on July 17, 2008, 08:50:42 AM
Lose the cheese and half the yokes. It's fine then.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 08:50:48 AM
buy some casein protein powder.
or eat some beef an hour before sleep.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: elite_lifter on July 17, 2008, 08:53:10 AM
buy some casein protein powder.
or eat some beef an hour before sleep.

ON Casein is the best
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 08:53:53 AM
ON Casein is the best
true protein casein is much cheaper and i know im getting high quality carb&fat free protein with them.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Bluto on July 17, 2008, 08:54:17 AM
how you will look will depend on the total no of calories you consume on a regular bases

Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: elite_lifter on July 17, 2008, 08:55:41 AM
true protein casein is much cheaper and i know im getting high quality carb&fat free protein with them.
40.00 for 4lbs from DPS, lasts close to 2 months. only use it b4 bed well worth the price.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: kyomu on July 17, 2008, 08:58:53 AM
I mean eating this meal 20 minutes before going to bed.
Look like you are weak mind person.
If you have enough passion to gain, you can do proper diet.
So I recommend you to ask yourself if you want to be really look good or not.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 08:59:19 AM
40.00 for 4lbs from DPS, lasts close to 2 months. only use it b4 bed well worth the price.
yup , its cheaper at true protein. there is like 15 different quality proteins al under 10 bucks a pound,. they whey concentrates are like 4 bucks a pound  :o

for my casein i use the mmilk protien isolate... its 80% casein 20% whey... i think its a good ratio..since i fell the casein probably takes a little while to stat contributing asmino acids to the blood stream
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: wood on July 17, 2008, 09:01:16 AM
buy some casein protein powder.
or eat some beef an hour before sleep.


the nutritional guru has spoken ;D
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: elite_lifter on July 17, 2008, 09:02:06 AM
yup , its cheaper at true protein. there is like 15 different quality proteins al under 10 bucks a pound,. they whey concentrates are like 4 bucks a pound  :o

for my casein i use the mmilk protien isolate... its 80% casein 20% whey... i think its a good ratio..since i fell the casein probably takes a little while to stat contributing asmino acids to the blood stream
Does it taste good? I'd rather not choke down crap and spend a few bucks more.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Mark Kerr on July 17, 2008, 09:03:01 AM
the nutritional guru has spoken ;D

This is "candidizzle."
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 09:03:31 AM
dude that has a fucking date stamp right on it. what the fuck is up with that shit. its 4 fucking years old goddamnit. 15 year old kid fucking around and you want to flame on that shit??

man fuck you, youn pathetic son of a bitch.


you know what "wood".. post a picture of your "competitor" physique so i can have something to laugh at...        
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: kyomu on July 17, 2008, 09:04:53 AM
the nutritional guru has spoken ;D
But he is not saying any ridiculous thing here no?
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: elite_lifter on July 17, 2008, 09:05:20 AM
dude that has a fucking date stamp right on it. what the fuck is up with that shit. its 4 fucking years old goddamnit. 15 year old kid fucking around and you want to flame on that shit??

man fuck you, youn pathetic son of a bitch.


you know what "wood".. post a picture of your "competitor" physique so i can have something to laugh at...        
shut them up with a current picture. i'm sure it would be good for at least 30 pages. ;D
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 09:06:38 AM
16
17
18


punkass
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: kyomu on July 17, 2008, 09:09:37 AM
Wood. Post some pic.
Are you a bber or Powerlifter?
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Mark Kerr on July 17, 2008, 09:10:09 AM
So, would this diet make you fat?

Meal 1. 8 egg whites with 2 yolks 1 cup oatmeal

Meal 2. 1 can tuna 5 rice cakes or 1 cup rice

Meal 3. Muscle milk protein shake

Meal 4. 9 oz. steak 1 baked potato 1 cup broccoli

Meal 5. "post workout" Muscle milk protein shake.

Meal 6. 6 fried eggs over easy, 1 cup grits with cheese and ketchup and 1 glass milk

Also, pizza on the weekends, meatlovers of course.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: elite_lifter on July 17, 2008, 09:10:19 AM
not too impressive for a gearhead, must be a non-responder.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 09:10:47 AM
not too impressive for a gearhead, must be a non-responder.
'16, 17, 18"  ;)
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: kyomu on July 17, 2008, 09:13:12 AM
not too impressive for a gearhead, must be a non-responder.
But the reason why i dont bash him is that he got ridd of a loooooooooooooooooot of fat and got decent physic.
BBing is the experience(Muscle!! ;D),not a theory.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 09:14:52 AM
But the reason why i dont bash him is that he got ridd of a loooooooooooooooooot of fat and got decent physic.
BBing is the experience(Muscle!! ;D),not a theory.
kyomu i am natural and ages 16, 17, 18 in those pictures.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: elite_lifter on July 17, 2008, 09:17:56 AM
kyomu i am natural and ages 16, 17, 18 in those pictures.
so they are a yr ago. are you saying you've gained 30lbs of muscle in a year.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Mark Kerr on July 17, 2008, 09:18:42 AM
kyomu i am natural and ages 16, 17, 18 in those pictures.

I'm not trying to flame you.

However, you really shouldn't be giving people advice in the drug forum.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 09:18:52 AM
so they are a yr ago. are you saying you've gained 30lbs of muscle in a year.
i made no such claim.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: kyomu on July 17, 2008, 09:19:26 AM
So, would this diet make you fat?

Meal 1. 8 egg whites with 2 yolks 1 cup oatmeal

Meal 2. 1 can tuna 5 rice cakes or 1 cup rice

Meal 3. Muscle milk protein shake

Meal 4. 9 oz. steak 1 baked potato 1 cup broccoli

Meal 5. "post workout" Muscle milk protein shake.

Meal 6. 6 fried eggs over easy, 1 cup grits with cheese and ketchup and 1 glass milk

Also, pizza on the weekends, meatlovers of course.
I am really sure that you are a weak person now.

In spite of people saying that Meal 6 is ridiculous, you are still insisting.. :-\
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 09:19:53 AM
I'm not trying to flame you.

However, you really shouldn't be giving people advice in the drug forum.
i rarely give ADVICE
and why wouldnt i be able to anyways
most of the people who ask questions dont know an androgen from a corticosteroid
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: elite_lifter on July 17, 2008, 09:20:07 AM
But the reason why i dont bash him is that he got ridd of a loooooooooooooooooot of fat and got decent physic.
BBing is the experience(Muscle!! ;D),not a theory.
its not hard getting skinny, gaining muscle is harder.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: kyomu on July 17, 2008, 09:25:36 AM
its not hard getting skinny, gaining muscle is harder.
You are right.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Mark Kerr on July 17, 2008, 09:28:36 AM
I am really sure that you are a weak person now.

In spite of people saying that Meal 6 is ridiculous, you are still insisting.. :-\

Why would I be weak?
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: The Master on July 17, 2008, 09:30:30 AM
The meal content is not nearly as important as the total calorie intake of the day. If you don't blow way above your daily energy expenditure, a little milk won't make you gain fat.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 09:32:12 AM
The meal content is not nearly as important as the total calorie intake of the day. If you don't blow way above your daily energy expenditure, a little milk won't make you gain fat.
nah not really. fat + carbs throws that out the window.  because regardless of caloric itake that fat is stored as adipose. 
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Mark Kerr on July 17, 2008, 09:38:04 AM
It's interesting to hear everyones opinion on diets. On that very same diet, (add 1 more meal in, chicken and rice ) I gained some weight, and stayed fairly lean.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: The Master on July 17, 2008, 09:39:10 AM
nah not really. fat + carbs throws that out the window.  because regardless of caloric itake that fat is stored as adipose. 


Bullshit, prove it.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 09:48:21 AM

Bullshit, prove it.
okay.

carbohydrate reult in rise in insulin levels
insulin is storeage hormone
fat is stored in adipose
------------------------------------
carbohydrate + fat = fat stored in adipose


how about this on

most fats decrease insulin sensitivity
decreased insulin sensitivity means when you eat carbohydrates you release far more insulin
carbs can only be stored as fat with high insulin levels
----------------------------------------------------
carbs are more likely to be stored as fat when combined with fats (most fats)


 :)

how many more prrofs?
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Mark Kerr on July 17, 2008, 09:57:26 AM
okay.

carbohydrate reult in rise in insulin levels
insulin is storeage hormone
fat is stored in adipose
------------------------------------
carbohydrate + fat = fat stored in adipose


how about this on

most fats decrease insulin sensitivity
decreased insulin sensitivity means when you eat carbohydrates you release far more insulin
carbs can only be stored as fat with high insulin levels
----------------------------------------------------
carbs are more likely to be stored as fat when combined with fats (most fats)


 :)

how many more prrofs?

Hey genius, everyones metabolism is different.

So, your post is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: wood on July 17, 2008, 10:43:02 AM
dude that has a fucking date stamp right on it. what the fuck is up with that shit. its 4 fucking years old goddamnit. 15 year old kid fucking around and you want to flame on that shit??

man fuck you, youn pathetic son of a bitch.


you know what "wood".. post a picture of your "competitor" physique so i can have something to laugh at...        

too funny, did you miss the " ;D"?

I recognize your improvements from when you posted under Candidate2025 or whatever it was...however, i've noticed that since then, you think you know almost everything about everything.  I too was once a fatty, but I'm still learning all the time, and still manage to maintain humility which is something you need more of. 

as for my pix, one of them has been posted here before but i'm betting only one person saved it.  it wasn't anything to brag about if you can find it, post it up beside yours, i have nothing to be ashamed of.






















oh yeah

meltdown ;)
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 17, 2008, 10:43:37 AM
what is a good nighttime snack?
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: wood on July 17, 2008, 10:51:59 AM
what is a good nighttime snack?


poontang pie
 

gotta lighten the mood here ;D
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: jaejonna on July 17, 2008, 10:53:35 AM
kymou, your very condescending in the way your talking to Mark Kerr...for a guy who eats 880 grams of protein a day, i dont think you should be givin out any advices. 
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Epic_Monster on July 17, 2008, 11:07:23 AM
6 fried eggs over easy
1 cup grits with cheese and ketchup
1 glass fat free milk

If you eat this before bed everynight, how would you look in 18 months?

Obese!
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: XFACTOR on July 17, 2008, 11:17:02 AM
16
17
18


punkass

Not to be mean dude, but stop posting this pic, you look like a fucking retarded mule.  Look at your face.  My god.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Croatch on July 17, 2008, 11:25:49 AM
Not to be mean dude, but stop posting this pic, you look like a fucking retarded mule.  Look at your face.  My god.
Relax.  This is the internet.  Where anyone can be a diet/training guru ;D
Getbig.com, just the best..hahah
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: XFACTOR on July 17, 2008, 11:30:39 AM
Relax.  This is the internet.  Where anyone can be a diet/training guru ;D
Getbig.com, just the best..hahah

Dude this guy walks into a haunted house and they give him an application.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: stuntmovie on July 17, 2008, 11:39:44 AM
Did he walk in with a duck?

Hey, Candi, that 18 year old pic you posted is damn impressive. You should continue with competitive BB or if you don't already , you should seriously give it some serious consideration.

Take that advice from a Know-It-All.


Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: jaejonna on July 17, 2008, 11:41:50 AM
Dude this guy walks into a haunted house and they give him an application.
he walks into a haunted house and they ask him why is he late for work hahah
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: XFACTOR on July 17, 2008, 11:42:31 AM
Did he walk in with a duck?

Hey, Candi, that 18 year old pic you posted is damn impressive. You should continue with competitive BB or if you don't already , you should seriously give it some serious consideration.

Take that advice for a Know-It-All.


Yes, continue with comptetitve BB.  That's very sound and intelligent advice.  A genius you are not.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Croatch on July 17, 2008, 11:43:01 AM
Dude this guy walks into a haunted house and they give him an application.
Getbig, where I run into people funnier than me, daily. ;D
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Mark Kerr on July 17, 2008, 12:04:36 PM
kymou, your very condescending in the way your talking to Mark Kerr...for a guy who eats 880 grams of protein a day, i dont think you should be givin out any advices. 

880 grams of protein per day?

That dude must be big as hell, with kidney's made out of iron.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Mark Kerr on July 17, 2008, 12:20:51 PM
Dude this guy walks into a haunted house and they give him an application.

You don't want to f**k with this guy.

All drugs!

Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: The Master on July 17, 2008, 12:22:28 PM
okay.

carbohydrate reult in rise in insulin levels
insulin is storeage hormone
fat is stored in adipose
------------------------------------
carbohydrate + fat = fat stored in adipose


how about this on

most fats decrease insulin sensitivity
decreased insulin sensitivity means when you eat carbohydrates you release far more insulin
carbs can only be stored as fat with high insulin levels
----------------------------------------------------
carbs are more likely to be stored as fat when combined with fats (most fats)


 :)

how many more prrofs?

The only problem is that if you eat below your calorie expenditure every day, you WON*T GAIN BODYFAT. So, how do you factor this into your reasoning?
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 12:40:15 PM
The only problem is that if you eat below your calorie expenditure every day, you WON*T GAIN BODYFAT. So, how do you factor this into your reasoning?
you wont gain WEIGHT... you can, hypoethetically, have net increase in total adipose with a net loss of structural proteins in a calroic defcit.
  :D

think with an open mind

Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 12:42:42 PM
Hey genius, everyones metabolism is different.

So, your post is irrelevant.
lol

well, i would argue that NO, everyones metabolism is not different. go talk to a geneticist. someone who knows about the human race. the differences in metabolism are miniscule.

but even with that point aside..even if people have huge differences in metabolic rates..

the endocrine system functions the same. no matter who you are, the pancrease release insulin in response to carbohydrates. no matter who you are, dietary fat gets stored in adipose in presence of high insulin. no matter who you are, carbohydrates can be stored into adipose (de novo lipogensis) if insulin gets high enough.

 :D

Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 12:44:34 PM
You don't want to f**k with this guy.

All drugs!


thats a cool picture, huh ? i look like some kind of mysteious guy yeah??!! i am so cool. you know it. dont hate.


 ;D
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: The Master on July 17, 2008, 12:45:23 PM
you wont gain WEIGHT... you can, hypoethetically, have net increase in total adipose with a net loss of structural proteins in a calroic defcit.
  :D

think with an open mind



Do you REALLY think you'll lose muscle and gain fat on that diet, given that you maintain a good weight training regimen? ::)


Thinking with an open mind is horseshit in this situation. The only thing you can use to back up your thoughts here is by showing studies that has found these results.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Mark Kerr on July 17, 2008, 01:06:31 PM
lol

well, i would argue that NO, everyones metabolism is not different. go talk to a geneticist. someone who knows about the human race. the differences in metabolism are miniscule.

but even with that point aside..even if people have huge differences in metabolic rates..

the endocrine system functions the same. no matter who you are, the pancrease release insulin in response to carbohydrates. no matter who you are, dietary fat gets stored in adipose in presence of high insulin. no matter who you are, carbohydrates can be stored into adipose (de novo lipogensis) if insulin gets high enough.

 :D



Wow. ::)

Do not give anyone advice on nutrition.

You think everyone has the same metabolism? ::)

You're an idiot.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 01:08:12 PM
Do you REALLY think you'll lose muscle and gain fat on that diet, given that you maintain a good weight training regimen? ::)


Thinking with an open mind is horseshit in this situation. The only thing you can use to back up your thoughts here is by showing studies that has found these results.
lol, debussey, i am not refering to any diet in particular. i am only telling you that it IS possible to eat to a 'caloric' defecit but to have a net increase in total adipose mass at the end of the day. THIS IS POSSIBLE

Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 01:09:19 PM
Wow. ::)

Do not give anyone advice on nutrition.

You think everyone has the same metabolism? ::)

You're an idiot.
great contribution.

its okay, i know its hard to admit when your wrong.

side skirt the issue...take things out of context... put words in motuhs...       fairly amatuer tactics but yes they work with decent results
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 17, 2008, 01:15:32 PM
I cannot believe the losers that make fun of candizzle. He was fat and now he's ripped. I'll gladly take advice from him since he obviously walks the walk. My oppinion.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 01:17:59 PM
I cannot believe the losers that make fun of candizzle. He was fat and now he's ripped. I'll gladly take advice from him since he obviously walks the walk. My oppinion.
shit man, i will glady take advice from you considering the ginormous changes you can make in your body in very short amount of times. gear no gear.. you gotta know your shit to make drastic changes ot the human body! and i see you do it tim and time again with no problem
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Mark Kerr on July 17, 2008, 01:20:24 PM
I cannot believe the losers that make fun of candizzle. He was fat and now he's ripped. I'll gladly take advice from him since he obviously walks the walk. My oppinion.

Read his post. The kid is f**king retarded.

There is a reason he gets f**ked with.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 01:21:37 PM
Read his post. The kid is f**king retarded.

There is a reason he gets f**ked with.
lol
 

mark kerr

al i have written in this thread is truth and accurate

i suggest you re read all of it and take notes
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Mark Kerr on July 17, 2008, 01:23:43 PM
lol
 

mark kerr

al i have written in this thread is truth and accurate

i suggest you re read all of it and take notes


I suggest, you back to school.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: maxxmuscle on July 17, 2008, 01:24:38 PM
I don't buy into the Eating carbs before bed makes you fat theory.It all depends on your total calorie intake for the day IMO.And i disagree that everyones Metabolism is the same.A guy at my Gym eats a shit load of calories ( Clean and Junk ) and stays lean all year around.Pre contest he even still keeps in Whole milk and protein bars and still gets shredded.His only cardio is a brisk walk with his dog in the AM ! I think Candi is getting a little too complex.I have read a lot of his posts and he seems pretty smart,just getting a bit too complicated.I used to be the same when i was younger.BB isn't complex.Train/Eat/Rest/Use AAS.The hard part is doing it day in day out for years.How you look will ultimately depend on your Genetics/Response.Same with Dieting.Do your Cardio/Restrict your calories and do it for long enough and you will get lean.Again,depending on your genetics.Not everyone can get like Andreas Munzer no matter how much Cardio/Thyroid meds you take.........
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 01:25:41 PM
I suggest, you back to school.
school starts in mid august.

so i took your suggestion, now you take mine.

honestly...   you should re read it and look into it..whatever you think qwas stupid ...do some research on your own.. dont take my work for it..    find out for yourself what the truth is
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 01:28:17 PM
I don't buy into the Eating carbs before bed makes you fat theory.
neither do i, but high insulin levels does interfere with gh release, so in order to take advantage of the nightly oost in gh levels i would skip the arb in your last meal.
 
I think Candi is getting a little too complex.
nothing complex about me bro. if it seems that way your just way too simple. and im just being real.
Not everyone can get like Andreas Munzer no matter how much Cardio/Thyroid meds you take.........
absolutely false. anyone can look lik anyone. and i firmly believe that
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Mark Kerr on July 17, 2008, 01:37:50 PM
school starts in mid august.

so i took your suggestion, now you take mine.

honestly...   you should re read it and look into it..whatever you think qwas stupid ...do some research on your own.. dont take my work for it..    find out for yourself what the truth is

Everyone's metabolism is different.

Don't even try to debate that.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: kyomu on July 17, 2008, 02:01:32 PM
Why would I be weak?
Because, AS YOU know, fried food is a notorious junk that everybody know and still you try to put it in your diet.
You dont have a couple of balls to do strict diet?
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Mark Kerr on July 17, 2008, 02:12:44 PM
Because, AS YOU know, fried food is a notorious junk that everybody know and still you try to put it in your diet.
You dont have a couple of balls to do strict diet?

What?
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: The Master on July 17, 2008, 03:02:34 PM
lol, debussey, i am not refering to any diet in particular. i am only telling you that it IS possible to eat to a 'caloric' defecit but to have a net increase in total adipose mass at the end of the day. THIS IS POSSIBLE




In theory, this might be possible ceteris paribus. But you have not accounted for other factors that might inhibit the mechanism you are describing, thus, what you say MIGHT be true in theory.

But "in theory" is irrelevant. Unless you can show that your theory works in real life, then it's worthless. A theory that might or might not work, and that has a small chance of actually having merit is a worthless guide for ones diet. Maybe for a little experiment, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 03:05:57 PM

In theory, this might be possible ceteris paribus. But you have not accounted for other factors that might inhibit the mechanism you are describing, thus, what you say MIGHT be true in theory.

But "in theory" is irrelevant. Unless you can show that your theory works in real life, then it's worthless. A theory that might or might not work, and that has a small chance of actually having merit is a worthless guide for ones diet. Maybe for a little experiment, but that's about it.
dubussey...

these are facts


carbohydrate reult in rise in insulin levels
insulin is storeage hormone
fat is stored in adipose
------------------------------------
carbohydrate + fat = fat stored in adipose


how about this on

most fats decrease insulin sensitivity
decreased insulin sensitivity means when you eat carbohydrates you release far more insulin
carbs can only be stored as fat with high insulin levels
----------------------------------------------------
carbs are more likely to be stored as fat when combined with fats (most fats)
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Bast000 on July 17, 2008, 03:09:38 PM
i don't eat carbs protein or fat.  those are all old fashioned.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 17, 2008, 03:11:20 PM
Candi -- post a typical days diet in your regime
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 03:15:45 PM
 lets seee....

today i woke up and took a handful of fish oil and green tea and did some ligth cardio on my stationary bike

then, we were out of oatmeal, so i ate 4 oatmeal bars from quaker...this eqauled 76 grams carbs , 6 g fats...  with thaq i had one chicken breat mixed with lettuce and i dipped my oatmeal bars into some whey/casien pudding micture (zero carbs or fats in the whey.casein)

i worked out about an hour and a half after that, and pre workout i drank 60 grams whey/casein (leg day)

post workout i took a handful of greens capsules, ate abowl of frosted flakes with 60 grams wehy/casein in it (the bowl of frosted flakes = about 80 grams carb and no fat )

then two hours later i had two cans dennisons 99% fat free chili with a couple pieces of whole wheat bread, a handful of fish oil, i think 4 caps egcg which is 600mg , and more greens capsules...

thats it so far today
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 03:17:19 PM
oh, i put cinnamon into my pre workout shake and also into my post workout cereal/protein mix. and i used non fat milk in both of those as well.


and i have dranken 4 diet peach white teas from litpon, and two diet rootbeers from shasta
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 03:19:05 PM
oh the chili has 4 grams fat, 40 grams protein, 58 grams carbs per can.  the whole whaeat bread has 1 g fat, 19 g carb per slice.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 17, 2008, 03:21:03 PM
so you're eating way more carbs these days? you used to hate them all and advocate a high fat, high protein diet with most carbs being veggies.

Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: The Master on July 17, 2008, 03:21:49 PM
dubussey...

these are facts


carbohydrate reult in rise in insulin levels
insulin is storeage hormone
fat is stored in adipose
------------------------------------
carbohydrate + fat = fat stored in adipose


how about this on

most fats decrease insulin sensitivity
decreased insulin sensitivity means when you eat carbohydrates you release far more insulin
carbs can only be stored as fat with high insulin levels
----------------------------------------------------
carbs are more likely to be stored as fat when combined with fats (most fats)


They might be facts yes, but you ARE NOT seeing them against the bigger picture. If the facts are true the way you present them, then you should gain fat on a calorie deficit diet. So far this has never been proven in science, thus, your reasoning is irrelevant, because we are not discussing theory here, but reality, and unless you can find a bunch of solid studies proving what you claim in real humans, then your arguments = worthless. Sorry bozo ;)
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 03:24:19 PM
so you're eating way more carbs these days? you used to hate them all and advocate a high fat, high protein diet with most carbs being veggies.


yes, well i do what works best for me, not what works best on paper. afrter hearing about stavios dieting on high carbs, and readin alot from alex a, i tried to give the low fat high carb high protein diet a shot. and it works very well for me. 
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Brutal_1 on July 17, 2008, 03:24:40 PM

They might be facts yes, but you ARE NOT seeing them against the bigger picture. If the facts are true the way you present them, then you should gain fat on a calorie deficit diet. So far this has never been proven in science, thus, your reasoning is irrelevant, because we are not discussing theory here, but reality, and unless you can find a bunch of solid studies proving what you claim in real humans, then your arguments = worthless. Sorry bozo ;)


Have you started posting without taking your medication yet?!  Debuuuuuuuuuuusey  :-\
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 03:26:10 PM

They might be facts yes, but you ARE NOT seeing them against the bigger picture. If the facts are true the way you present them, then you should gain fat on a calorie deficit diet. So far this has never been proven in science, thus, your reasoning is irrelevant, because we are not discussing theory here, but reality, and unless you can find a bunch of solid studies proving what you claim in real humans, then your arguments = worthless. Sorry bozo ;)
whats to prove, whether youve eaten zero calories or 5000 calories, it makes no differene . if you combine carbs and fats the chances are very very very high that all those fats will go to addipose, and that a larger% of the carbs will too.


pro/carb, OR pro/fat

theres a reason for that you know
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Croatch on July 17, 2008, 03:26:42 PM
lets seee....

today i woke up and took a handful of fish oil and green tea and did some ligth cardio on my stationary bike

then, we were out of oatmeal, so i ate 4 oatmeal bars from quaker...this eqauled 76 grams carbs , 6 g fats...  with thaq i had one chicken breat mixed with lettuce and i dipped my oatmeal bars into some whey/casien pudding micture (zero carbs or fats in the whey.casein)

i worked out about an hour and a half after that, and pre workout i drank 60 grams whey/casein (leg day)

post workout i took a handful of greens capsules, ate abowl of frosted flakes with 60 grams wehy/casein in it (the bowl of frosted flakes = about 80 grams carb and no fat )

then two hours later i had two cans dennisons 99% fat free chili with a couple pieces of whole wheat bread, a handful of fish oil, i think 4 caps egcg which is 600mg , and more greens capsules...

thats it so far today
Did you get that off of Jay Cutlers website?
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 03:28:14 PM
Did you get that off of Jay Cutlers website?
what do you mean by that ? because its high protein high carb low fat?
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 17, 2008, 03:28:40 PM



pro/carb, OR pro/fat

theres a reason for that you know

how far apart should they be?
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: The Master on July 17, 2008, 03:29:00 PM
whats to prove, whether youve eaten zero calories or 5000 calories, it makes no differene . if you combine carbs and fats the chances are very very very high that all those fats will go to addipose, and that a larger% of the carbs will too.


pro/carb, OR pro/fat

theres a reason for that you know

You just don't get it...


Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 03:32:10 PM
how far apart should they be?
lol you are not asking for real sweet muscles.

i am not stupid  ;D

 and from the looks of you you know all of these answers very well


but hey, i answer anyway !  :D

 its tough, because digestion rates for dietary fats is not set in stone. and for MIANLY that reason,   i really only recommend extra dietary fats in the last meal before sleep, without carbs. only extra fats during the day would be insulin sensitizing o3.    this makes sure your dietary fats are used for fuel and othe rbody functions, rather than wasted as a result of being in the blood when insulin gets raised from starch
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: dr.chimps on July 17, 2008, 03:41:02 PM

They might be facts yes, but you ARE NOT seeing them against the bigger picture. If the facts are true the way you present them, then you should gain fat on a calorie deficit diet. So far this has never been proven in science, thus, your reasoning is irrelevant, because we are not discussing theory here, but reality, and unless you can find a bunch of solid studies proving what you claim in real humans, then your arguments = worthless. Sorry bozo ;)
LOL. I swear I had the exact conversation with young Master Candi not two weeks ago.

/'cept for the bozo part   :D
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Bobby on July 17, 2008, 03:53:27 PM
yes, well i do what works best for me, not what works best on paper. afrter hearing about stavios dieting on high carbs, and readin alot from alex a, i tried to give the low fat high carb high protein diet a shot. and it works very well for me. 

Interesting! you used to hate carbs... what was his diet and what's yours now?
Mine currently is 200g carbs 200g protein 55g fat=2400cals
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: The Master on July 17, 2008, 03:57:02 PM
LOL. I swear I had the exact conversation with young Master Candi not two weeks ago.

/'cept for the bozo part   :D


It's like talking to a fucking wall :o
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 04:02:46 PM
Interesting! you used to hate carbs... what was his diet and what's yours now?
Mine currently is 200g carbs 200g protein 55g fat=2400cals
dude i dont count anything. i eat pretty much as much as i want when i want. making sure to get enough protein and carbs every few hours.  probably, guesttimated...aroudn 400g carbs 400 g protien per day right now...fats limited to whats im my protein/carbs and alos my fish oil intake
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Bobby on July 17, 2008, 04:30:51 PM
dude i dont count anything. i eat pretty much as much as i want when i want. making sure to get enough protein and carbs every few hours.  probably, guesttimated...aroudn 400g carbs 400 g protien per day right now...fats limited to whats im my protein/carbs and alos my fish oil intake

you call that a diet? >:(

400g carbs!! you go from extreme to extreme...no carbs and then 400?
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 04:33:32 PM
you call that a diet? >:(

400g carbs!! you go from extreme to extreme...no carbs and then 400?
no no no

i was eating about 150 g per day every day up untill about a month ago. over the last month i have worked up ad up to what i am at now

which is, around, 400 g

i think i start to need more tho
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Bobby on July 17, 2008, 04:50:35 PM
no no no

i was eating about 150 g per day every day up untill about a month ago. over the last month i have worked up ad up to what i am at now

which is, around, 400 g

i think i start to need more tho

aaah i see. but still, this is a cutting diet? and you eat 400g carbs? your calories must be quite high 3500 or more...
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 04:52:50 PM
aaah i see. but still, this is a cutting diet? and you eat 400g carbs? your calories must be quite high 3500 or more...
no, not cutting any more.  ;)
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Bobby on July 17, 2008, 05:07:45 PM
no, not cutting any more.  ;)

man you change direction quicker than the wind
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 05:10:46 PM
man you change direction quicker than the wind
eh, yes and no. no reason for me to do a 12 week pre contest diet.. just wanted to shave off some softness and re-prime my self for growth..
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Brutal_1 on July 17, 2008, 05:13:10 PM



Candy, when you finally decide to step onstage, are you going to incorporate the C WALK into your posing routine???






lol...why not, I remember one year FLEX was throwing up the WESTSIDE hand sign with a biceps pose  ;D
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: WhiteCastle on July 17, 2008, 05:17:21 PM
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Nice hat there.  Your face looks worse than Dreamer's.

But as for your geneticist b.s.; I can tell you that if anything, the genetic variation of metabolism does vary a lot.  Twin studies have shown this. They don't have the gene for fat storing or obesity risk nailed down at all.  But twin studies have shown that the amount that identical twins eat,when raised separately, has almost no effect on how much fat they store.
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: candidizzle on July 17, 2008, 05:27:24 PM


Candy, when you finally decide to step onstage, are you going to incorporate the C WALK into your posing routine???






lol...why not, I remember one year FLEX was throwing up the WESTSIDE hand sign with a biceps pose  ;D
nah man ill probably put on some bay area hyphy music like keak




and do the thizzle dance !!!
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: maxxmuscle on July 18, 2008, 12:17:13 AM

I don't buy into the Eating carbs before bed makes you fat theory.
neither do i, but high insulin levels does interfere with gh release, so in order to take advantage of the nightly oost in gh levels i would skip the arb in your last meal.

You think Arnold used to worry about what he ate before bed ? Ronnie Coleman cutting out the Grits with his last meal in case it stunted GH release....
 
I think Candi is getting a little too complex.
nothing complex about me bro. if it seems that way your just way too simple. and im just being real.

Not flaming you.You are like me when i was younger starting out.A thirst for knowledge is a good thing.You can just get a little carried away....

Not everyone can get like Andreas Munzer no matter how much Cardio/Thyroid meds you take.........
absolutely false. anyone can look lik anyone. and i firmly believe that

This i dont believe.But everyone is entitled to their opinion.I think your positive attitude is great.The same way i believe everyone has a genetic limit for size,i think the same goes for conditioning.Some people have more fat cells than other,the same way some have more androgen receptors ( Hyper  responders )
Title: Re: Is this a good pre-time bed meal?
Post by: Get Rowdy on July 18, 2008, 03:16:55 AM
Gironda reccomended not eating carbs and fats in the same meal.  Experiment and see what works.