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People here are always shouting pray for this and pray for that but how many people really believe in the 'power of prayer' and how many are just going through the motions?
Discuss...
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I stopped going to catholic church...wayyyy, way too boring....and it hurt my bad knees,,,sit, stand, kneel, sit, kneel, kneel, stand.....
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I stopped going to catholic church...wayyyy, way too boring....and it hurt my bad knees,,,sit, stand, kneel, sit, kneel, kneel, stand.....
Hahaha...
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I stopped going to catholic church...wayyyy, way too boring....and it hurt my bad knees,,,sit, stand, kneel, sit, kneel, kneel, stand.....
im sure most of the kneeling and standing was done when you were having "special time" with a priest?
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im sure most of the kneeling and standing was done when you were having "special time" with a priest?
No.
In fact, I was just the sponsor for my nephew who made his confirmation...and had to tell the priest I hadn't been to church for many years...he was chagrined
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decide are u aethist or sumthing weird?
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if going to church makes you a christian, does going to your garage make you a car?
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decide are u aethist or sumthing weird?
Haven't been paying attention much here, huh? Look at my name man....muhahahahaha.... ;D
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Haven't been paying attention much here, huh? Look at my name man....muhahahahaha.... ;D
huh?
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decide are u aethist or sumthing weird?
r u religious or something weird?
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People here are always shouting pray for this and pray for that but how many people really believe in the 'power of prayer' and how many are just going through the motions?
Discuss...
I sure do and can explain it scientificaly.
I am thinking about posting that theory in my blog.
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huh?
Suffice to say: I am getbig's premiere atheist. ;)
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Only a moron prays.
Atheism is the only rational choice.
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when u are healthy and well, being an atheist is the easiest thing to do.
when u are on your deathbed, its the hardest.
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Only a moron prays.
Atheism is the only rational choice.
Says the Sassenach; I agree.
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Did praying save Alexander the Great? Confucius? The Roman Empire? The Persian Empire? NO.
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the funny thing is a lot of these religious people believe that everything is already predetermined
so what are they praying for?
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Did praying save Alexander the Great? Confucius? The Roman Empire? The Persian Empire? NO.
So you are daying "prayer" did NOT work due to their outcomes?
But what about millions of other patients that "do" pray, and they survive?
Look, nobody knows. You tell me to prove God exists, I say prove he doesn't. I dont believe the bible in LITERAL TERMS, but, i cant say its not possible
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NO, Boon. NO one does. We ALL just die. Temporary survival does NOT count.
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Only a moron prays.
Atheism is the only rational choice.
Only if you reduce prayer to begging and religion to fundamentalism.
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So you are daying "prayer" did NOT work due to their outcomes?
But what about millions of other patients that "do" pray, and they survive?
Look, nobody knows. You tell me to prove God exists, I say prove he doesn't. I dont believe the bible in LITERAL TERMS, but, i cant say its not possible
Prove to me that Zeus and Poseidon don't exist.
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[2Pac] (Lyrics)
I got shot five times and I'm still breathing!
Living proof there's a God if you need a reason!
(Regarding him being shot five times in New York.)
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I think that maybe believing in anything you think would be closer to God is a form of prayer.
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Useless drivel... ::)
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Then he got shot four times in Las Vegas and died. Where was God then?
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Then he got shot four times in Las Vegas and died. Where was God then?
that karma
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Prove to me that Zeus and Poseidon don't exist.
exactly. Thats what im saying. We cant just believe "the bible" bc it has the overall "ultimate message"... there is difficulty differentiating between different beliefs in past. I agree with u
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Useless drivel... ::)
Agreed. Declaring yourself an atheist or not has nothing to do with having a clue about anything.
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Then he got shot four times in Las Vegas and died. Where was God then?
God is fair to everything. Not only toward life but also death. ;)
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ALL that Lives...Dies. That is it.
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http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm
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ALL that Lives...Dies. That is it.
Yes. The circulation of Ying and Yang. The motor of existance.
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Useless drivel... ::)
I actually think that guy is just joking. It's just too much.
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religion is only a tool to control people. hence religion is for sheeps. :)
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Yes. The circulation of Ying and Yang. The motor of existance.
It's existence.
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decide are u aethist or sumthing weird?
Are you a gaytroll or something similar? Never mind- you already answered that question ;D
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Comparison of some life events of Horus and Jesus:
Event Horus Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus
Conception: By a virgin. There is some doubt about this matter By a virgin. 8
Father: Only begotten son of the God Osiris. Only begotten son of Yehovah (in the form of the Holy Spirit).
Mother: Meri. 9 Miriam (a.k.a. Mary).
Foster father: Seb, (Jo-Seph). 9 Joseph.
Foster father's ancestry: Of royal descent. Of royal descent.
Birth location: In a cave. In a cave or stable.
Annunciation: By an angel to Isis, his mother. By an angel to Miriam, his mother. 8
Birth heralded by: The star Sirius, the morning star. An unidentified "star in the East."
Birth date: Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus through the streets at the time of the winter solstice (typically DEC-21). Celebrated on DEC-25. The date was chosen to occur on the same date as the birth of Mithra, Dionysus and the Sol Invictus (unconquerable Sun), etc.
Birth announcement: By angels. By angels. 8
Birth witnesses: Shepherds. Shepherds. 8
Later witnesses to birth: Three solar deities. Three wise men. 8
Death threat during infancy: Herut tried to have Horus murdered. Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.
Handling the threat: The God That tells Horus' mother "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child." An angel tells Jesus' father to: "Arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt."
Rite of passage ritual: Horus came of age with a special ritual, when his eye was restored. Taken by parents to the temple for what is today called a bar mitzvah ritual.
Age at the ritual: 12 12
Break in life history: No data between ages of 12 & 30. No data between ages of 12 & 30.
Baptism location: In the river Eridanus. In the river Jordan.
Age at baptism: 30. 30.
Baptized by: Anup the Baptiser. John the Baptist.
Subsequent fate of the baptiser: Beheaded. Beheaded.
Temptation: Taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain by his arch-rival Sut. Sut (a.k.a. Set) was a precursor for the Hebrew Satan. Taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain by his arch-rival Satan.
Result of temptation: Horus resists temptation. Jesus resists temptation.
Close followers: Twelve disciples. There is some doubt about this matter as well. Twelve disciples.
Activities: Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored sight to the blind. He "stilled the sea by his power." Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored sight to the blind. He ordered the sea with a "Peace, be still" command.
Raising of the dead: Horus raised Osirus, his dead father, from the grave. 10 Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave.
Location where the resurrection miracle occurred: Anu, an Egyptian city where the rites of the death, burial and resurrection of Horus were enacted annually. 10 Hebrews added their prefix for house ('beth") to "Anu" to produce "Beth-Anu" or the "House of Anu." Since "u" and "y" were interchangeable in antiquity, "Bethanu" became "Bethany," the location mentioned in John 11.
Origin of Lazarus' name in the Gospel of John: Asar was an alternative name for Osirus, Horus' father, who Horus raised from the dead. He was referred to as "the Asar," as a sign of respect. Translated into Hebrew, this is "El-Asar." The Romans added the prefix "us" to indicate a male name, producing "Elasarus." Over time, the "E" was dropped and "s" became "z," producing "Lazarus." 10
Transfigured: On a mountain. On a high mountain.
Key address(es): Sermon on the Mount. Sermon on the Mount; Sermon on the Plain.
Method of death By crucifixion. By crucifixion.
Accompanied by: Two thieves. Two thieves.
Burial In a tomb. In a tomb.
Fate after death: Descended into Hell; resurrected after three days. Descended into Hell; resurrected after about 30 to 38 hours (Friday PM to presumably some time in Sunday AM) covering parts of three days.
Resurrection announced by: Women. Women.
Future: Reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium. Reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium.
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Comparison of some characteristics of Horus and Jesus:
Characteristics Horus Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus
Nature" Regarded as a mythical character. Regarded as a 1st century CE human man-god.
Main role: Savior of humanity. Savior of humanity.
Status: God-man. God-man.
Common portrayal: Virgin Isis holding the infant Horus. Virgin Mary holding the infant Jesus.
Title: KRST, the anointed one. Christ, the anointed one.
Other names: The good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, the winnower. The good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, the winnower.
Zodiac sign: Associated with Pisces, the fish. Associated with Pisces, the fish.
Main symbols: Fish, beetle, the vine, shepherd's crook. Fish, beetle, the vine, the shepherd's crook.
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Comparison of some teachings of Horus and Jesus:
Characteristics Horus Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus
Criteria for salvation at the place of judgment: "I have given bread to the hungry man and water to the thirsty man and clothing to the naked person and a boat to the shipwrecked mariner." 11 "For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me..." Matthew 25:35-36 (KJV).
"I am" statements
bullet "I am Horus in glory...I am the Lord of Light...I am the victorious one...I am the heir of endless time...I, even I, am he that knoweth the paths of heaven." 12
bullet "I am Horus, the Prince of Eternity."
bullet "I am Horus who stepeth onward through eternity...Eternity and everlastingness is my name."
bullet "I am the possessor of bread in Anu. I have bread in heaven with Ra."
bullet "I am the light of the world....I am the way, the truth and the life."
bullet "Before Abraham was, I am"
bullet "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today and forever."
bullet "I am the living bread that came down from heaven."
(From the Gospel of John)
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WHAT AN IDIOT!
How is being an atheist making you live in a make believe world? Wouldn't it be the other way around?
Fuckin dumbass christian piece of shit... ignorant as the day is long... ::)
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Only a moron prays.
Atheism is the only rational choice.
;D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally, another person who makes up his mind and doesnt believe the spoon fed bullshit of a god that you pray to.
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Useless drivel... ::)
Some dumbass on a motorcycle thinks he's got everything figured out lol
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religion is only a tool to control people. hence religion is for sheeps. :)
Sheep...
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Fuckin dumbass christian piece of shit.
:D :D :D
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Interesting article
God on the Brain
Rudi Affolter and Gwen Tighe have both experienced strong religious visions. He is an atheist; she a Christian. He thought he had died; she thought she had given birth to Jesus. Both have temporal lobe epilepsy.
Like other forms of epilepsy, the condition causes fitting but it is also associated with religious hallucinations. Research into why people like Rudi and Gwen saw what they did has opened up a whole field of brain science: neurotheology.
The connection between the temporal lobes of the brain and religious feeling has led one Canadian scientist to try stimulating them. (They are near your ears.) 80% of Dr Michael Persinger's experimental subjects report that an artificial magnetic field focused on those brain areas gives them a feeling of 'not being alone'. Some of them describe it as a religious sensation.
His work raises the prospect that we are programmed to believe in god, that faith is a mental ability humans have developed or been given. And temporal lobe epilepsy (TLE) could help unlock the mystery.
Religious leaders
History is full of charismatic religious figures. Could any of them have been epileptics? The visions seen by Bible characters like Moses or Saint Paul are consistent with Rudi's and Gwen's, but there is no way to diagnose TLE in people who lived so long ago.
There are, though, more recent examples, like one of the founders of the Seventh Day Adventist Movement, Ellen White. Born in 1827, she suffered a brain injury aged 9 that totally changed her personality. She also began to have powerful religious visions.
Representatives of the Movement doubt that Ellen White suffered from TLE, saying her injury and visions are inconsistent with the condition, but neurologist Gregory Holmes believes this explains her condition.
Better than sex
The first clinical e
vidence to link the temporal lobes with religious sensations came from monitoring how TLE patients responded to sets of words. In an experiment where people were shown either neutral words (table), erotic words (sex) or religious words (god), the control group was most excited by the sexually loaded words. This was picked up as a sweat response on the skin. People with temporal lobe epilepsy did not share this apparent sense of priorities. For them, religious words generated the greatest reaction. Sexual words were less exciting than neutral ones.
Make believe
If the abnormal brain activity of TLE patients alters their response to religious concepts, could altering brain patterns artificially do the same for people with no such medical condition? This is the question that Michael Persinger set out to explore, using a wired-up helmet designed to concentrate magnetic fields on the temporal lobes of the wearer.
His subjects were not told the precise purpose of the test; just that the experiment looked into relaxation. 80% of participants reported feeling something when the magnetic fields were applied. Persinger calls one of the common sensations a 'sensed presence', as if someone else is in the room with you, when there is none.
Horizon introduced Dr Persinger to one of Britain's most renowned atheists, Prof Richard Dawkins. He agreed to try his techniques on Dawkins to see if he could give him a moment of religious feeling. During a session that lasted 40 minutes, Dawkins found that the magnetic fields around his temporal lobes affected his breathing and his limbs. He did not find god.
Persinger was not disheartened by Dawkins' immunity to the helmet's magnetic powers. He believes that the sensitivity of our temporal lobes to magnetism varies from person to person. People with TLE may be especially sensitive to magnetic fields; Prof Dawkins is well below average, it seems. It's a concept that clerics like Bishop Stephen Sykes give some credence as well: could there be such a thing as a talent for religion?
Brain imaging
Sykes does, though, see a great difference between a 'sensed presence' and a genuine religious experience. Scientists like Andrew Newberg want to see just what does happen during moments of faith. He worked with Buddhist, Michael Baime, to study the brain during meditation. By injecting radioactive tracers into Michael's bloodstream as he reached the height of a meditative trance, Newberg could use a brain scanner to image the brain at a religious climax.
The bloodflow patterns showed that the temporal lobes were certainly involved but also that the brain's parietal lobes appeared almost completely to shut down. The parietal lobes give us our sense of time and place. Without them, we may lose our sense of self. Adherants to many of the world's faiths regard a sense of personal insignificance and oneness with a deity as something to strive for. Newberg's work suggests a neurological basis for what religion tries to generate.
Religious evolution
If brain function offers insight into how we experience religion, does it say anything about why we do? There is evidence that people with religious faith have longer, healthier lives. This hints at a survival benefit for religious people. Could we have evolved religious belief?
Prof Dawkins (who subscribes to evolution to explain human development) thinks there could be an evolutionary advantage, not to believing in god, but to having a brain with the capacity to believe in god. That such faith exists is a by-product of enhanced intelligence. Prof Ramachandran denies that finding out how the brain reacts to religion negates the value of belief. He feels that brain circuitry like that Persinger and Newberg have identified, could amount to an antenna to make us receptive to god. Bishop Sykes meanwhile, thinks religion has nothing to fear from this neuroscience. Science is about seeking to explain the world around us. For him at least, it can co-exist with faith.
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I talk about religion here. ;)
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=405018828&blogID=426805416
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shut up deadlord nobody wannas read your cut pste crap
all u know about is mma and stalk me
go back sumewhere eklse
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shut up deadlord nobody wannas read your cut pste crap
all u know about is mma and stalk me
go back sumewhere eklse
Ha ha ha
Another meltdown from natfag83 after being outed again.
You wouldn't happen to be religious by any chance would ya?
God hates gays ;D
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shut up deadlord nobody wannas read your cut pste crap
all u know about is mma and stalk me
go back sumewhere eklse
Why? His post is very interesting...
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At least MMA is real.
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I talk about religion here. ;)
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=405018828&blogID=426805416
I think that pretty much sums up everything. If now deicide could please proof read that, that would be great.
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all these religious assholes I know will pray for someone when they are sick or in an accident. I always want to ask them though, if the person dies any way what does that mean; that this supposed "god" didn't want them to live after all, I guess god hates a lot of people and wants them all to die. Believing in god makes about as much sense as santa claus, the easter bunny, etc.
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The Law of attraction. God is a methaphore. If you don't understand the power of "prayer" you will fail in life and die a bitter C-u-n-t
Plain and simple.
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The Law of attraction. God is a methaphore. If you don't understand the power of "prayer" you will fail in life and die a bitter C-u-n-t
Plain and simple.
Dumbest statement ever. You are losing it Alex. What has happened to you? Your goose seems pretty much cooked.
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I think that pretty much sums up everything. If now deicide could please prood read that, that would be great.
I will get around to posting something on Eastern philosophy...very soon.
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Dumbest statement ever. You are losing it Alex. What has happened to you? Your goose seems pretty much cooked.
Au Contraire. I'm winning every day and I have accumulated a lot for a guy my age. All I have has been aquired via mental conditioning and positive thinking or what is "prayer" for the simpler man.
Your wish is my command.
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I think that pretty much sums up everything. If now deicide could please prood read that, that would be great.
Thank you for reading my blog! ;)
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Au Contraire. I'm winning every day and I have accumulated a lot for a guy my age. All I have has been aquired via mental conditioning and positive thinking or what is "prayer" for the simpler man.
Your wish is my command.
Lock yourself in a room and think all you want and tell me what happens.
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Says the Sassenach; I agree.
are you fan of the Band also with the same name ???
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Senator Edwards is the biggest Christian on Earth (he said this)...and yet his wife is dying of cancer, and he is off banging men and women...and actually getting these women pregnant. God? Bible? NO THANKS. I'm cool. I'll just be real, admit that I commit TONS of sins, wrongs, etc., and I will take Hell, or what ever my eternal punishment will be...
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When people made up god, they also thought the world was flat... we know so much more now and it amazes me that people still go out in herds every sunday to waste a few hours worshipping something that isn't real... c'mon guys... even worse is the ones that waste their entire lives going to bible school, becoming a priest/pastor/nun etc...
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Thank you for reading my blog! ;)
My pleasure. ;D
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Ted Arthur Haggard, etc.,... :D
Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc., call black people N1GGER5. :D And they pay tons of child support for bastard children too...that have come out of their adultery...so please...spare me all of this God and Religion bull shit. Please. Thanks.
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are you fan of the Band also with the same name ???
No. Sassenach is the term for an Englishman; True Adonis is an Englishman and thus a Sassenach.
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it amazes me that people still go out in herds every sunday to waste a few hours worshipping something that isn't real... c'mon guys... even worse is the ones that waste their entire lives going to bible school, becoming a priest/pastor/nun etc...
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DON'T forget the MOST important thing you left OUT... MONEY!!!!!!!!! :D WASTING MONEY!!!!!!!
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I will get around to posting something on Eastern philosophy...very soon.
Should be interesting.
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Lock yourself in a room and think all you want and tell me what happens.
That wouldn't make much sense wouldn't it?
I like you Adam but your pragmatism is making you bitter and unhappy.
From what I've heard you've been having a hard time lately. Things will turn around, just stay positve.
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it amazes me that people still go out in herds every sunday to waste a few hours worshipping something that isn't real... c'mon guys... even worse is the ones that waste their entire lives going to bible school, becoming a priest/pastor/nun etc...
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DON'T forget the MOST important thing you left OUT... MONEY!!!!!!!!! :D WASTING MONEY!!!!!!!
Don't you think there might be a little bit more to religion than all the negative sides you have listed thus far?
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Johnny Reid "John" Edwards
Eliot Laurence Spitzer
Larry Edwin Craig
Rudolph William Louis "Rudy" Giuliani
Antonio Ramon Villaraigosa
Brian J. Doyle
And HOW many Christians have Molested and Raped little Boys and little
Girls, ALL in the name of Christ, God, and the Holy Ghost? Holy Spirit?
IF they ALL believe in CHRIST...then WTF are there SO MANY DAMN CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS? WTF
CAN'T THEY ALL JUST BE UNDER ONE ROOF? ONE RELIGION?
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Only a moron prays.
Atheism is the only rational choice.
yeah budday
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it amazes me that people still go out in herds every sunday to waste a few hours worshipping something that isn't real... c'mon guys... even worse is the ones that waste their entire lives going to bible school, becoming a priest/pastor/nun etc...
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DON'T forget the MOST important thing you left OUT... MONEY!!!!!!!!! :D WASTING MONEY!!!!!!!
AHH YES!!! MONEY!!!
Since the dawn of religion they've been after money. The church is the most counter-productive, head in your ass, crooked thing someone can be involved in.
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and it hurt my bad knees,,,
I used to be an altar boy. Those priests really know how to push ya, do'nt they?
Seriously, I believe in prayer. Something happened in 2nd grade and from that minute fwd, I KNEW the conversations I had with the maker (the power behind us, not a man in a beard and robe, but something more energy-based) changed external things in my environment consistently.
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:D
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I used to be an altar boy. Those priests really know how to push ya, do'nt they?
Seriously, I believe in prayer. Something happened in 2nd grade and from that minute fwd, I KNEW the conversations I had with the maker (the power behind us, not a man in a beard and robe, but something more energy-based) changed external things in my environment consistently.
Uhuh....jebus.
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Prayer; religion = Self-delusion.
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I used to be an altar boy. Those priests really know how to push ya, do'nt they?
Seriously, I believe in prayer. Something happened in 2nd grade and from that minute fwd, I KNEW the conversations I had with the maker (the power behind us, not a man in a beard and robe, but something more energy-based) changed external things in my environment consistently.
I had an eperience when i was very young myself which made me truly believ taht God exists.
I am a Roman Catholic, go to mass every week and every day of obligation.I turly believe that prayer can help. If it doesnt it often soothes and provides hope and faith. If we are wrong big dealk we have done no wrong. If we are right all the better.
Noone can do without God. At some stage you will realise this.
There are also too mnay miracles etc which cant be explained through science or anything else. Only god is the answer.
God is good, No need to go fundamental on him though just always try to have just a little faith
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You've got to pray just to make it today!
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just the second i clicked that You cant toucjh this came on on VH1
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just the second i clicked that You cant toucjh this came on on VH1
Cool.
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Mother Teresa doubted the existence of God until her death. Her whole life. She knew
she was lying, and knew she was a hypocrite. She lived a false life. She felt really
bad about it too...She knew she was spewing bull shit to people all over the world...bull shit that she in fact, knew, was bull shit...and for ALL of the good she did...did she still NOT just get old, sick, and die? ALL THAT LIVES, SUFFERS, SICKENS, AND DIES. BOTTOM LINE. END OF STORY.
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Mother Teresa doubted the existence of God until her death. Her whole life. She knew
she was lying, and knew she was a hypocrite. She lived a false life. She felt really
bad about it too...She knew she was spewing bull shit to people all over the world...bull shit that she in fact, knew, was bull shit...and for ALL of the good she did...did she still NOT just get old, sick, and die? ALL THAT LIVES, SUFFERS, SICKENS, AND DIES. BOTTOM LINE. END OF STORY.
This isnt really life i dont think. More 'a walk in the valley of death' Def something more important than this.
Also care to give a source on that nother theresa nonsense you are spewing.
My Granny Goudy had a piece of Padre Pio's glove. Very small piece.
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At the end...she was just still looking to reclaim her lost faith. "Such deep longing for God… Repulsed, Empty, NO faith, NO love, NO zeal," she said. As her fame increased, her dying faith refused to return. Her smile, she said, was a mask. Fake. A Facade. "What do I labor for?!" she asked in one letter. "If there be NO God, there can be NO soul. If there be NO soul, then, Jesus, You also are NOT true."
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Its called faith...course there is doubt
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http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Mother_Teresa_doubted_existance_of_God_0824.html
Let Katie break it down for you. :D
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No man can KNOW anything about the afterlife.
I heard someone say that some documents were discovered which PROVED there was an afterlife and I nearly pissed myself laughing. Something man-made to show there was something beyond man. Beyond silly.
I believe there is a higher energy which is beyond our comprehension. Why does everything exist in the 1st place? something put the elements here, to cause the big bang and everythng else after it.
A Creator, an Energy. There is NO denying it exists, as we are its byproduct.
Personally, I have found you can create your own reality by thinking differently. There are delusional people who go thru their life believing they are the King of France, for example. If they think it every moment, every minute, every hour, then guess what - it's true to them. I try to believe I'm a mr O with a ten inch member and ten millino dollar bankroll. As long as I truly believe it, well, I now live in a new (and better!) reality.
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At the end...she was just still looking to reclaim her lost faith. "Such deep longing for God… Repulsed, Empty, NO faith, NO love, NO zeal," she said. As her fame increased, her dying faith refused to return. Her smile, she said, was a mask. Fake. A Facade. "What do I labor for?!" she asked in one letter. "If there be NO God, there can be NO soul. If there be NO soul, then, Jesus, You also are NOT true."
hahahah ... owned
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Mother Teresa doubted the existence of God until her death. Her whole life. She knew
she was lying, and knew she was a hypocrite. She lived a false life. She felt really
bad about it too...She knew she was spewing bull shit to people all over the world...bull shit that she in fact, knew, was bull shit...and for ALL of the good she did...did she still NOT just get old, sick, and die? ALL THAT LIVES, SUFFERS, SICKENS, AND DIES. BOTTOM LINE. END OF STORY.
Thank Zeus her journal was published.
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Perfectly normal and human to doubt god etc. despite her doubt she carried on.
Hell i question doubt god at times, then i go to mass or say a prayer and feel a ral calming soothing feeling right from the top of my head down my back.
I have been told that this is the holy spirit
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Just live each day and fight to survive. Try to be good, honest, nice, as best you can. At the end, you will die. Just like ALL that has lived, has died. Those you try to tell you what is on the other side or sides...is lying...they are here, NOT there. They just want your money and your obedience. King Qin of China, he who made the fake Army...had ALL that ANY man and or woman could ask for...ALL but ONE thing...He could NOT stop from suffering, getting sick, old, and then dying. An Emperor of the World...and you CANNOT even stop from dying like ANY one else. So to me, Alexander the Great, Qin, Xerxes, etc.,...they are NO better than Bones on Star Trek...or Gary Coleman...Or Beetle on Howard Stern...And yes, ME... :D We are ALL just losers...Losers that just die...
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I try to believe I'm a mr O with a ten inch member and ten millino dollar bankroll. As long as I truly believe it, well, I now live in a new (and better!) reality.
You should start the 10inch member sect.
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I dont wanna sound fundamentalist on anyone.
Like the post above says if you are a decent person live a decent life whether catholic protestant hindu buddist muslim etc you should be fine :)
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No. Sassenach is the term for an Englishman; True Adonis is an Englishman and thus a Sassenach.
I think he was talking about the band Deicide.
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Good post Goudy...
as for me...I am happy with my life...not every moment, but the entire span so far...I have done and seen more than most ever will...NOT the best...but NOT the worst either...Peace...
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You should start the 10inch member sect.
There are actually 21,414 of us already
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=mlist
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God does not exist, so prayers are only a mental thing inside your head.
If you do believe a god exists... how does he control all the stuff on earth? using some kind of satellite connection?? haha
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:D 10" Club
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God does not exist, so prayers are only a mental thing inside your head.
If you do believe a god exists... how does he control all the stuff on earth? using some kind of satellite connection?? haha
God gave man free will.
Also i am controlling the keystrokes on this computer...not controlling the insides though
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I don't believe in God; I believe in conditioning yourself for sucess and develop the right mindset.
Prayer, mediation, call it whatever you want based on your iq level.
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God gave man free will.
Also i am controlling the keystrokes on this computer...not controlling the insides though
A man makes his own free will.
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A man makes his own free will.
granted through the grace of god :-*
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The concentration of the conciousness give certain influence in the space and movement of particle.
----Roger Penrose http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose
With this theory, you can express the supernatural phenomenon caused by Pray(Concentration of conciousness).
And also, another aspects.---------Dowsing---------Why we know the place where there is water? We know everything? Our conciousness is connected to everything?????????
Coming soon in my blog!! ;D
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decide are u aethist or sumthing weird?
yea man r u aethist or weird? bahahahaaha fukin sheep
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There are actually 21,414 of us already
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=mlist
Don't be offensive, some of them are in the 12" sect.
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granted through the grace of god :-*
No, you control your own body and mind. Or do you believe god has some remote device available for himself to control every believer on earth?
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No, you control your own body and mind. Or do you believe god has some remote device available for himself to control every believer on earth?
Read this book. You will flipp out
http://www.amazon.com/Mind-Time-Consciousness-Perspectives-Neuroscience/dp/067401846X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219613970&sr=8-1
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granted through the grace of god :-*
I haven't yet met an Irishman that didn't have issues of faith. ;)
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No, you control your own body and mind. Or do you believe god has some remote device available for himself to control every believer on earth?
And also, From a point of view of philosophy.
We dont have free will, WE ARE THE SLAVE OF CAUSALITY AND EFFECT!
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Read this book. You will flipp out
http://www.amazon.com/Mind-Time-Consciousness-Perspectives-Neuroscience/dp/067401846X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219613970&sr=8-1
Pseudo philosphy unfortunally.
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here's a thought...
You know how the universe is expanding at 800 mile per second or whatever... that's predetermined, right? Determined by whatever caused it.
The way the planets and rocks rotate around each of those stars.... pre-determined by the original energy that started it all.
The way water forms, life evolves, rocks fall from the sky onto earth... that's all controlled by the original energy that caused the Big bang.
The way ants and lions act... all controlled by the set of circumstances and events from the big bang, which was caused by energy.
Why would people be any different? Why wouldn't we be like every other lion, ant, waterfall, meteor, moon, planet, star, and galaxy... controlled by nothing but outside events predetermined by the original energy?
If you think you have free will, that's because the original energy gave you that perception. Did you choose to be born? will you choose to get cancer of the ass one day? Did you choose your parents, or the water and air around you?
What have you chosen? the way you interact with the people and esources around you (which incidentcally were given to you by chance, by the original energy)?
To me, if all the bigger events in the universe were predetermind by a bigger energy, then you and I sure were too.
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Pseudo philosphy unfortunally.
This is not a book of philosophy.
Its a book of the neuro science based on many experiment.
Our free will late too much after our brain prepare for action...
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This is not a book of philosophy.
Its a book of the neuro science based on many experiment.
Our free will late too much after our brain prepare for action...
Of course it's not philosophy, but the author claims to explain things that are not subject to science. Since he does so believing he still operates from within science, he is a pseudo-philospher. Neuro science cannot say anything substantial about consciousness or free will. That is just a misconception of some scientists, like Libet. His observations on the mentioned time delay have nothing to do with free will.
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here's a thought...
You know how the universe is expanding at 800 mile per second or whatever... that's predetermined, right? Determined by whatever caused it.
The way the planets and rocks rotate around each of those stars.... pre-determined by the original energy that started it all.
The way water forms, life evolves, rocks fall from the sky onto earth... that's all controlled by the original energy that caused the Big bang.
The way ants and lions act... all controlled by the set of circumstances and events from the big bang, which was caused by energy.
Why would people be any different? Why wouldn't we be like every other lion, ant, waterfall, meteor, moon, planet, star, and galaxy... controlled by nothing but outside events predetermined by the original energy?
If you think you have free will, that's because the original energy gave you that perception. Did you choose to be born? will you choose to get cancer of the ass one day? Did you choose your parents, or the water and air around you?
What have you chosen? the way you interact with the people and esources around you (which incidentcally were given to you by chance, by the original energy)?
To me, if all the bigger events in the universe were predetermind by a bigger energy, then you and I sure were too.
Not bad, but the term "energy" is a bit worn out. For a sect leader, you must at least invent a new word for it.
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Born again christian in my work says
earth is less than 6000 years old and this is proved due to rates of erosion
noah actually built an ark literally
and the whole universe moves around the earth...thisis a theory called geo centricity
The last one is absurd
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Of course it's not philosophy, but the author claims to explain things that are not subject to science. Since he does so believing he still operates from within science, he is a pseudo-philospher. Neuro science cannot say anything substantial about consciousness or free will. That is just a misconception of some scientists, like Libet. His observations on the mentioned time delay have nothing to do with free will.
I see. Good point.
The problem always come from the defenition. And it is the most difficult theme and personaly i think impossible.
In my notion, from my experience of Taoism training, 100% of our movement is coming from the underconciousness and we believe that it is free will superficialy. Thats why i relationed the free will with delay of the will.
And also, the quantum theory,Each foton move uncertainly but when they are many,move like wave.
Humanbeing behave like that also. When you see the big movement of society, you see certain tendency as if we are controled in some equation..
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Not bad, but the term "energy" is a bit worn out. For a sect leader, you must at least invent a new word for it.
I'm too lazy to go starting a cult. i'll just spew 20 seconds' worth of furious typing, skip the spellcheck, and then forget about the thread. it's what i'm pre-determiend to do.
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So you are daying "prayer" did NOT work due to their outcomes?
But what about millions of other patients that "do" pray, and they survive?
Look, nobody knows. You tell me to prove God exists, I say prove he doesn't. I dont believe the bible in LITERAL TERMS, but, i cant say its not possible
By that rationale everything is possible.
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Only a moron prays.
Atheism is the only rational choice.
I agree.
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I'm too lazy to go starting a cult. i'll just spew 20 seconds' worth of furious typing, skip the spellcheck, and then forget about the thread. it's what i'm pre-determiend to do.
Great, now we're getting somewhere, a cult leader must always claim indifference. Plus the furious typing stuff clearly indicates that it's really not you writing, but something is writing through you. I could be your spin doctor, the following would be huge.
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I see. Good point.
The problem always come from the defenition. And it is the most difficult theme and personaly i think impossible.
In my notion, from my experience of Taoism training, 100% of our movement is coming from the underconciousness and we believe that it is free will superficialy. Thats why i relationed the free will with delay of the will.
And also, the quantum theory,Each foton move uncertainly but when they are many,move like wave.
Humanbeing behave like that also. When you see the big movement of society, you see certain tendency as if we are controled in some equation..
IMO it's always dangerous to use scientific concepts like quantum theory for philosophic purposes. That is because in the scientific world, these concepts are nothing more than an imagination behind mathematic formulas, although many scientists overlook this fact. This imagination however should (and can) only serve one purpose: easier understanding of the formulas and starting the creative process to generate new scientific theories. The concepts itself have no real meaning in science. If you imagine completely different concepts behind the same set of mathematical formulas, it makes no difference to science at all.
So in fact your contemplations about e.g. matter vs. wave do not really have any basis in science, rather these concepts are borrowed by science from what was already there in the first place.
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IMO it's always dangerous to use scientific concepts like quantum theory for philosophic purposes. That is because in the scientific world, these concepts are nothing more than an imagination behind mathematic formulas, although many scientists overlook this fact. This imagination however should (and can) only serve one purpose: easier understanding of the formulas and starting the creative process to generate new scientific theories. The concepts itself have no real meaning in science. If you imagine completely different concepts behind the same set of mathematical formulas, it makes no difference to science at all.
So in fact your contemplations about e.g. matter vs. wave do not really have any basis in science, rather these concepts are borrowed by science from what was already there in the first place.
Hahahahahhahahaha. You are not normal person arnt you? ;D
You are godamn right! ;D
There is no such a thing which indicate absolute truth. ;D
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Kyomu
Shouldn't you be off worshipping the Emperor or something?
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Hahahahahhahahaha. You are not normal person arnt you? ;D
You are godamn right! ;D
There is no such a thing which indicate absolute truth. ;D
You're absolutely right, I'm an Austrian Superman, like Arnold. ;D
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Kyomu
Shouldn't you be off worshipping the Emperor or something?
He is already. ;D
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"God does NOT play dice with the Universe."
- Albert Einstein
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The guy managed to talk for nearly eight minutes without actually saying anything.
I want my eight minutes back! >:(
You will never get those eight minutes back.
Say Sayonora
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"God does NOT play dice with the Universe."
- Albert Einstein
Well he was wrong on that one, at least scientifically. He never accepted quantum theory resp. the uncertainty principle.
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Quantum mechanics is certainly imposing. But an inner voice tells me that it is not yet the real thing. The theory says a LOT, but does NOT really bring us ANY closer to the SECRET of the 'OLD ONE'. I, at ANY rate, am convinced, that He does NOT throw dice.
* Letter to Max Born (4 December 1926); The Born-Einstein Letters (translated by Irene Born) (Walker and Company, New York, 1971) ISBN 0-8027-0326-7. This quote is commonly paraphrased "God does not play dice" or "God does not play dice with the universe", and many other slight variants.
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:D
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Quantum mechanics is certainly imposing. But an inner voice tells me that it is not yet the real thing. The theory says a lot, but does NOT really bring us any closer to the secret of the 'old one'. I, at any rate, am convinced, that He does NOT throw dice.
* Letter to Max Born (4 December 1926); The Born-Einstein Letters (translated by Irene Born) (Walker and Company, New York, 1971) ISBN 0-8027-0326-7. This quote is commonly paraphrased "God does not play dice" or "God does not play dice with the universe", and many other slight variants.
Of course not and I'm pretty sure that Einstein didn't really mean it that way. He just wanted to emphasize his objection. No scientific theory will ever say anything about the existence of God, that's outside the scientific scope.
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Albert was SURE...that EVEN IF GOD OR GODS DID, DO, AND OR WILL EXIST...THAT HE, THEY WOULD NOT PLAY DICE. THEY WOULD NOT GAMBLE. THEY WOULD NOT SHOOT CRAPS. SHOOTING CRAPS WITH OUR LIVES. Babies dying of disease, murder, war, evil, innocents dying for NO reason...the killing and murdering in the name of God...NAH. NO God would do this evil and wicked shit. Cause us misery and laugh at us as if we were dice in an alley game of street craps. Fuck that bull shit. And IF he is and does...then FUCK HIM. FUCK CROM.
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Conan:
Crom, I have NEVER prayed to you before. I have NO tongue for it. NO one, NOT even you, will remember if we were good men, or bad. Why we fought, or why we died. ALL that matters, is that two stood against MANY! That's what's important! Valor pleases you, Crom... So grant me ONE request! Grant me revenge! And if you do NOT listen, then to HELL with you!
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ttt
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Albert was SURE...that EVEN IF GOD OR GODS DID, DO, AND OR WILL EXIST...THAT HE, THEY WOULD NOT PLAY DICE. THEY WOULD NOT GAMBLE. THEY WOULD NOT SHOOT CRAPS. SHOOTING CRAPS WITH OUR LIVES. Babies dying of disease, murder, war, evil, innocents dying for NO reason...the killing and murdering in the name of God...NAH. NO God would do this evil and wicked shit. Cause us misery and laugh at us as if we were dice in an alley game of street craps. Fuck that bull shit. And IF he is and does...then FUCK HIM. FUCK KROM.
Yes maybe he said that too, but that has nothing to do with quantum theory or the uncertainty principle (which are just scientific concepts). If he thought there is a connection, which I doubt, he was wrong. At least that's my opinion.
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Albert and Conan are saying (this is for mentally retarded people)...IF GOD IS REAL...THEN FUCK HIM.
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Albert was SURE...that EVEN IF GOD OR GODS DID, DO, AND OR WILL EXIST...THAT HE, THEY WOULD NOT PLAY DICE. THEY WOULD NOT GAMBLE. THEY WOULD NOT SHOOT CRAPS. SHOOTING CRAPS WITH OUR LIVES. Babies dying of disease, murder, war, evil, innocents dying for NO reason...the killing and murdering in the name of God...NAH. NO God would do this evil and wicked shit. Cause us misery and laugh at us as if we were dice in an alley game of street craps. Fuck that bull shit. And IF he is and does...then FUCK HIM. FUCK CROM.
Umm. Some private correspondence of Einstein's was recently auctioned, and what he said therein about religion belies all his public statements - ie. religion is bunk, and the Jews are no more the 'Chosen People' than anyone else, etc. ;)
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Albert and Conan are saying (this is for mentally retarded people)...IF GOD IS REAL...THEN FUCK HIM.
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yeah considering his ongoing shitty resume to date - little kids starving thoughout the world while the ultra rich conspire to grab another slice for themselves. Disaster/plagues/wholesale slaughter of innocents.
If this is the best God can do -I'm not impressed
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yeah considering his ongoing shitty resume to date - little kids starving thoughout the world while the ultra rich conspire to grab another slice for themselves. Disaster/plagues/wholesale slaughter of innocents.
If this is the best God can do -I'm not impressed
Hah! I'm not naming names *cough* Coach *cough* but if God exists do you think he'd be be impressed with those who profess to follow his tenets? ;)
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I used to be an altar boy. Those priests really know how to push ya, do'nt they?
Seriously, I believe in prayer. Something happened in 2nd grade and from that minute fwd, I KNEW the conversations I had with the maker (the power behind us, not a man in a beard and robe, but something more energy-based) changed external things in my environment consistently.
Thay are drunken, nasty guys in my old parish
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praying is gay
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Umm. Some private correspondence of Einstein's was recently auctioned, and what he said therein about religion belies all his public statements - ie. religion is bunk, and the Jews are no more the 'Chosen People' than anyone else, etc. ;)
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/05/12/einstein460x276.jpg)
Childish superstition: Einstein's letter makes view of religion relatively clear
Scientist's reply to sell for up to Ł8,000, and stoke debate over his beliefs
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." So said Albert Einstein, and his famous aphorism has been the source of endless debate between believers and non-believers wanting to claim the greatest scientist of the 20th century as their own.
A little known letter written by him, however, may help to settle the argument - or at least provoke further controversy about his views.
Due to be auctioned this week in London after being in a private collection for more than 50 years, the document leaves no doubt that the theoretical physicist was no supporter of religious beliefs, which he regarded as "childish superstitions".
Einstein penned the letter on January 3 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt. The letter went on public sale a year later and has remained in private hands ever since.
In the letter, he states: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
Einstein, who was Jewish and who declined an offer to be the state of Israel's second president, also rejected the idea that the Jews are God's favoured people.
"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."
The letter will go on sale at Bloomsbury Auctions in Mayfair on Thursday and is expected to fetch up to Ł8,000. The handwritten piece, in German, is not listed in the source material of the most authoritative academic text on the subject, Max Jammer's book Einstein and Religion.
One of the country's leading experts on the scientist, John Brooke of Oxford University, admitted he had not heard of it.
Einstein is best known for his theories of relativity and for the famous E=mc2 equation that describes the equivalence of mass and energy, but his thoughts on religion have long attracted conjecture.
His parents were not religious but he attended a Catholic primary school and at the same time received private tuition in Judaism. This prompted what he later called, his "religious paradise of youth", during which he observed religious rules such as not eating pork. This did not last long though and by 12 he was questioning the truth of many biblical stories.
"The consequence was a positively fanatic [orgy of] freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression," he later wrote.
In his later years he referred to a "cosmic religious feeling" that permeated and sustained his scientific work. In 1954, a year before his death, he spoke of wishing to "experience the universe as a single cosmic whole". He was also fond of using religious flourishes, in 1926 declaring that "He [God] does not throw dice" when referring to randomness thrown up by quantum theory.
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Hah! I'm not naming names *cough* Coach *cough* but if God exists do you think he'd be be impressed with those who profess to follow his tenets? ;)
That's a classic Carlin Quote that i used.
Well considering his track record thus far i don't think he's in any position to pass "judgment" ;D
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Thanks TA. I'm feeling a bit lazy tonight. ;)
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In the letter, he states: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
Very well stated- probably should have thrown in the Koran for good measure
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We had a Prayer Request box at the Old Powerhouse Gym I use to train at. The owner was BIG time religious so one day I put in a prayer request in for a bigger bench. They did not find much humor in my request and told me God was not worried about my bench :( Oh Well it was funny as hell to me :)
I use to walk by Faith not by Sight, Fukk man now I walk by sight and dont have any faith!!! Religion is BS if I'm wrong so be it at least my spirit will have a nice tan. Christians always tell me you have to have faith. I ask for proof of a God and they say you have to have faith. FAITH FAITH FAITH in my God????
Tell me those MotherFukkers who crashed the planes in to the Twin Towers and the Pentagon did not have faith in there religion. Do you think they got what they had faith in? Ohh no prolly not cause they were'nt praying to an AWESOME GOD!!!! WTF EVER!!!!!
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the temporal lobe does in fact have a god spot and i have read the books published by the champions of neurotheology. Its pretty obvious comforting beliefs have organic benefits, and a faith based area makes sense. However it doesnt rule out the reality of the religious experience and seems to lend credence to the faithful in some manner. Obviously if god was to communicate with us he would have to do so via the brain, which is exactly what we find. Some people see it the other way like me, but the books on neurotheology are quite interesting. The OAA area of the brain is a controversial area also and relates to mystical experience which is another interesting find via imaging methods. Its action is to set the boundaries of the phyical body, or the sensation there of. With deactivation a ONENESS can be felt as sensation superceeds the phyiscal boundary of the skin.
religion is stupid, spirituality is not imo to an extent although i am neither.
answering parmenides question of why something rather then nothing is paramount to the discussion of existence imo, and is one of the only valuable why questions one can ask.
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Yeah considering his ongoing shitty resume to date - little kids starving thoughout the world while the ultra rich conspire to grab another slice for themselves. Disaster/plagues/wholesale slaughter of innocents.
If this is the BEST God can do -I'm NOT impressed
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah considering his ongoing shitty resume to date - little kids starving thoughout the world while the ultra rich conspire to grab another slice for themselves. Disaster/plagues/wholesale slaughter of innocents.
If this is the BEST God can do -I'm NOT impressed
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!
It's all part of god's ultimate plan. Make most everyone suffer on Earth, and then send 'em to hell for eternity......
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It's all part of god's ultimate plan. Make most everyone suffer on Earth, and then send 'em to hell for eternity......
his is all perfect and all knowing how dare you question his torture
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his is all perfect and all knowing how dare you question his torture
But he loves us! We're all his children......
You know, who wouldn't punish their children by sending them to a burning pit of fire, for all eternity?
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his is all perfect and all knowing how dare you question his torture
I am glad you finally have seen the light. ;D I remember that it wasn`t too long ago you were a God Believer and wanted to debate me on religion. You were even adamant about the existence of an imaginary god.
That was about a year ago. I am glad you have changed.
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his is all perfect and all knowing how dare you question his torture
ROFLMAO look at the drivel you used to post:
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your a moron too. your ignoring all the good religion does for the world, and all hope and joy faith brings to so many people. Your jumping to the conclusion that there is no soul, is no god, and is no other reality. I also bet fishes dont beleive water exists.
im not saying that you can prove there is a god, for if there was, proof would be impossible as it would be supernatural.
religion however does make people believe in alot of non-sense and illogic. If god or something like him does exist, he is seperate, sin does not matter etc... etc....
im a pantheist of sorts, god of the bible doesnt exist, and if he does he is trying to cover it up.
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I am glad you finally have seen the light. ;D I remember that it wasn`t too long ago you were a God Believer and wanted to debate me on religion. You were even adamant about the existence of an imaginary god.
That was about a year ago. I am glad you have changed.
It's very clear your parents screwed you up at very young age.
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http://www.slate.com/id/2090083/
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ROFLMAO look at the drivel you used to post:
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Re: GH15 Question.
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your a moron too. your ignoring all the good religion does for the world, and all hope and joy faith brings to so many people. Your jumping to the conclusion that there is no soul, is no god, and is no other reality. I also bet fishes dont beleive water exists.
im not saying that you can prove there is a god, for if there was, proof would be impossible as it would be supernatural.
religion however does make people believe in alot of non-sense and illogic. If god or something like him does exist, he is seperate, sin does not matter etc... etc....
im a pantheist of sorts, god of the bible doesnt exist, and if he does he is trying to cover it up.
yes i was a pantheist, people change. I enjoyed spinoza's material and had some life circumstances which may have lead me down that path.
i did want to debate you, i know far smarter people then me that beleive in god and have actually put in the time to understand, chaos, godel's theorem, cosmology etc.... granted they are not theists ;D, and outright reject theism.
I beleive religion is a terribly simplistic concept of the universe.
and i will say that YOU were right imo.
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In the letter, he states: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
Very well stated- probably should have thrown in the Koran for good measure!
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And the Tora, and the Sanskrit! :D
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The Pope beatifies Mother Teresa, a Fanatic, a Fundamentalist, and a Fraud!
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, Oct. 20th, 2003, at 04:04 PM ET
Wow...What a way to repay a woman who helped you and your Roman Catholic Church, Murder
, Rape, Molest, Steal, etc., ALL of the World...While she was alive and doing God's...Uh...Your Work, Mr. Pope. She did ALL that for you...Brought you BILLIONS of People and DOLLARS...and you throw her under the fucking speeding bus...Hope you and the rest of the Popes, burn in fucking Hell...IF there is one...
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With approximately 77 million members, the Anglican Communion is the third largest Communion in the World, after the Roman Catholic Church, and the Eastern Orthodox Churche.
Three mother fucking Popes. Ain't that some bull fucking shit?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archbishop_of_Canterbury
SHOULD there really be ANY need for MORE than ONE POPE? ONE RELIGION? NO. THAT PROVES THAT THEY ARE ALL FRAUDS.
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It's very clear your parents screwed you up at very young age.
I can say the same for you ::)
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yes i was a pantheist, people change. I enjoyed spinoza's material and had some life circumstances which may have lead me down that path.
i did want to debate you, i know far smarter people then me that beleive in god and have actually put in the time to understand, chaos, godel's theorem, cosmology etc.... granted they are not theists ;D, and outright reject theism.
I beleive religion is a terribly simplistic concept of the universe.
and i will say that YOU were right imo.
I`m impressed. I really am. Good of you to enter the realm of unabashed reason. Nothing will ever hinder your progress no in whatever you choose to do. Again, I am really impressed.
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So you are daying "prayer" did NOT work due to their outcomes?
But what about millions of other patients that "do" pray, and they survive?
Look, nobody knows. You tell me to prove God exists, I say prove he doesn't. I dont believe the bible in LITERAL TERMS, but, i cant say its not possible
Google me case where "the power of prayer" bought back an amputees missing limb. ONE DAM IT! Guess what? You won't find it. Do you know why? Well... either god fucking hates amputees or quite possibly...... there is no god.
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Religion = fairy tales from the Middle East.
Prayer has some sort of a placebo effect. People just feel better sometimes because they're looking for security, and belief in nonsense gives it to them.
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It's a bigger time-waster than Getbig.
And at least Getbig makes people laugh.
So does the Westboro Baptist Church! hahhahahh
Great comedy routine they have perfected!
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In fact why would you need any priests or popes? Shouldn't almighty god be able to address his slaves...er..I mean children directly?
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I like when the Pope was dying and there were BILLIONS of prayers all at the same time begging for him to be restored in full health.
At no time on this planet, in any instance had one man received as many prayers simultaneously from so many different deluded believers.
Guess what happened to Pope John Paul II?
He died. hahhahhahhahhahhahha
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I like when the Pope was dying and there were BILLIONS of prayers all at the same time begging for him to be restored in full health.
At no time on this planet, in any instance had one man received as many prayers simultaneously from so many different deluded believers.
Guess what happened to Pope John Paul II?
He died. hahhahhahhahhahhahha
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Good one
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One look at the order of the universe, as well as the depth and range of human emotions should tell you it didn't happen by chance. We didn't evolve out of some primordial ooze by chance. There is a definite intelligence at work.
If you accept that, then you're one step closer to accepting there is a God.
From there comes religion to help define who or what God is. That's where it becomes messy.
I think it's the utmost of arrogance to believe there is no God or creator.
Man cannot create the simplest form of life in a lab. If he could, then life/God wouldn't be such a mystery.
Discussing religion on the Internet...ahh...this thread has no end.
Let me pose this question to the atheists here: Why not just kill yourself?
I'm sure there are lots of reasons besides the basic one: survival instinct.
Regardless of your particular reasons, think about your ability to rationalize and decide it's not a good idea to kill yourself. It's an innate desire that is in all of us.
There must be a reason to live beyond simply surviving and propagating.
Just my humble opinion.
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Well first off, both sides have made great arguments, but the way I see it is a little different. I have no choice but to believe that our world was created by something or someone. Our society is so advanced, even the world itself is just so vast and complicated. I refuse to believe that everything just happened, the planets revolve perfectly around each other and the sun, that's incredible to me. Just look at the human eye for example, its so complex, how could that have come from a single celled organism? It just doesn't make sense. With all that being said, I don't know which god is the correct one, but I do know there is a higher power.
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One look at the order of the universe, as well as the depth and range of human emotions should tell you it didn't happen by chance. We didn't evolve out of some primordial ooze by chance. There is a definite intelligence at work.
If you accept that, then you're one step closer to accepting there is a God.
From there comes religion to help define who or what God is. That's where it becomes messy.
I think it's the utmost of arrogance to believe there is no God or creator.
Man cannot create the simplest form of life in a lab. If he could, then life/God wouldn't be such a mystery.
Discussing religion on the Internet...ahh...this thread has no end.
Let me pose this question to the atheists here: Why not just kill yourself?
I'm sure there are lots of reasons besides the basic one: survival instinct.
Regardless of your particular reasons, think about your ability to rationalize and decide it's not a good idea to kill yourself. It's an innate desire that is in all of us.
There must be a reason to live beyond simply surviving and propagating.
Just my humble opinion.
You bring up a good point. On "Larry King Live", guest Bill Maher claimed that man can't move forward, until he gets rid of religion. My immediate thought was "move forward to WHAT?".
Apparently, there's this big goal or mission that non-believers wish to accomplish and the one barrier, standing in their way, is man's belief in the supernatural. What this goal or mission is, I'd like to know. And how are they so sure that (whatever this is) it absolutely CANNOT be reached, unless man abandons his belief in a higher power?
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One look at the order of the universe, as well as the depth and range of human emotions should tell you it didn't happen by chance. We didn't evolve out of some primordial ooze by chance. There is a definite intelligence at work.
If you accept that, then you're one step closer to accepting there is a God.
From there comes religion to help define who or what God is. That's where it becomes messy.
I think it's the utmost of arrogance to believe there is no God or creator.
Man cannot create the simplest form of life in a lab. If he could, then life/God wouldn't be such a mystery.
Discussing religion on the Internet...ahh...this thread has no end.
Let me pose this question to the atheists here: Why not just kill yourself?
I'm sure there are lots of reasons besides the basic one: survival instinct.
Regardless of your particular reasons, think about your ability to rationalize and decide it's not a good idea to kill yourself. It's an innate desire that is in all of us.
There must be a reason to live beyond simply surviving and propagating.
Just my humble opinion.
;) Everything created has a creator ! and people who like to play I DONT BELEAVE ANYTHING because Im so in smart are in fact very much the opposite ! 8)
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But it's quite a leap to go from "there must be a creator" to "because there must be a creator, that means that the christian bible in all its ridiculousness is an accurate description of that creator and not the work of ignorant men from two thousand years ago", wouldn't you say?
What exactly makes them "ignorant"?
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But it's quite a leap to go from "there must be a creator" to "because there must be a creator, that means that the christian bible in all its ridiculousness is an accurate description of that creator and not the work of ignorant men from two thousand years ago", wouldn't you say?
;) Well the bible isnt to be taken literally but to say these people who wrote it are ignorant is pretty short sighted dont you think ?
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But it's quite a leap to go from "there must be a creator" to "because there must be a creator, that means that the christian bible in all its ridiculousness is an accurate description of that creator and not the work of ignorant men from two thousand years ago", wouldn't you say?
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth his handiwork.
- Psalms 19:1(b)(KJV)
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;) Well the bible isnt to be taken literally but to say these people who wrote it are ignorant is pretty short sighted dont you think ?
Which parts are or aren't supposed to be taken literally?
Jesus Christ's death and resurrection are for the sin of mankind. Where and when did this sin initially occur?
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Which parts are or aren't supposed to be taken literally?
::) If you dont understand what I mean then I dont have time to go over every part with you ! Cheers !
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;) Well the bible isnt to be taken literally but to say these people who wrote it are ignorant is pretty short sighted dont you think ?
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
- 2 Timothy 3:16,17 (KJV)
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::) If you dont understand what I mean then I dont have time to go over every part with you ! Cheers !
Apparently, you didn't catch my recent edit. For example, if you don't believe in the Creation account, when and how did sin come into this world, and why did Christ die to atone for that sin?
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I try to believe I'm a mr O
Statements like this make me wonder why I hold you in such high esteem
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Ignorant of the scientific knowledge we've gained in the past 2,000 years. They were scared primitives who has zero working knowledge of the world around them and had the need to attribute every natural phenomenon to the direct hands-on intervention of dieties.
Settle down goatboy. The "world" was created 10 000 years ago by "Creationism" ::) ::)
Carbon-14 is Witchcarft.
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People here are always shouting pray for this and pray for that but how many people really believe in the 'power of prayer' and how many are just going through the motions?
Discuss...
I do
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I think it's the utmost of arrogance to believe there is no God or creator.
Man cannot create the simplest form of life in a lab.
You are absolutely misinformed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribozyme
Regardless of your particular reasons, think about your ability to rationalize and decide it's not a good idea to kill yourself. It's an innate desire that is in all of us.
Do the bacteria that live on / in you enjoy this same innate desire to live or is it unique to human 'life'?
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You are absolutely misinformed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribozyme
Do the bacteria that live on / in you enjoy this same innate desire to live or is it unique to human 'life'?
Spotterowned.
A promising NewB has just shown his face ;D.
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All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
- 2 Timothy 3:16,17 (KJV) :D your a little nuts !
;D Your a little nuts !
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here's a thought...
You know how the universe is expanding at 800 mile per second or whatever... that's predetermined, right? Determined by whatever caused it.
The way the planets and rocks rotate around each of those stars.... pre-determined by the original energy that started it all.
The way water forms, life evolves, rocks fall from the sky onto earth... that's all controlled by the original energy that caused the Big bang.
The way ants and lions act... all controlled by the set of circumstances and events from the big bang, which was caused by energy.
Why would people be any different? Why wouldn't we be like every other lion, ant, waterfall, meteor, moon, planet, star, and galaxy... controlled by nothing but outside events predetermined by the original energy?
If you think you have free will, that's because the original energy gave you that perception. Did you choose to be born? will you choose to get cancer of the ass one day? Did you choose your parents, or the water and air around you?
What have you chosen? the way you interact with the people and esources around you (which incidentcally were given to you by chance, by the original energy)?
To me, if all the bigger events in the universe were predetermind by a bigger energy, then you and I sure were too.
240...your god is John McCain....and your determiner is Obama...
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Which parts are or aren't supposed to be taken literally?
Jesus Christ's death and resurrection are for the sin of mankind. Where and when did this sin initially occur?
Sin, eh? Have you been benching 405 at 235lbs as a natural again MCWAY? ;D
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This goes back to the post I made a few days ago, why is it that in our age of technology, live TV, the Internet, You tube, have no miracles ever been captured and presented to the public eye. But back in the day when they only had a pen and a paper did soooooo many miracles by the holy ones occur and got recorded???
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This goes back to the post I made a few days ago, why is it that in our age of technology, live TV, the Internet, You tube, have no miracles ever been captured and presented to the public eye. But back in the day when they only had a pen and a paper did soooooo many miracles by the holy ones occur and got recorded???
Are you saying that large quantities of anabolic steroids don't render you temporarily infertile?
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"God does NOT play dice with the Universe."
- Albert Einstein
You dont know what he meaned about it. ;D
When he debated with Niels Bohr, he said it.
Cus he couldnt accept the uncertain principle of the quantum theory.
But later, He admited it.
Your mind structure is the catholic which always searchs for Mesia.
And sorry,This time Albert Einstein admited this world was wrong letter. ;D
Dont worship anything. That makes you a BLIND.
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Ignorant of the scientific knowledge we've gained in the past 2,000 years. They were scared primitives who had zero working knowledge of the world around them and had the need to attribute every natural phenomenon to the direct hands-on intervention of dieties.
Exactly where is the chapter and verse in which all natural phenomena is attributed to the intervention of deities? There are specific instances where supernatural intervention is documented. But, where does it state that such occurs in every case?
Listen to what you just said...."the scientific knowledge we've gained". All that means is that we've discovered things that the Creator has known from the get-go. That fact that it's take at least two millenia to get to this point merely show just how limited man is and how UNLIMITED the Creator is.
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Sin, eh? Have you been benching 405 at 235lbs as a natural again MCWAY? ;D
That has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Nonetheless, there is no "again". When I did that, I weighed about 250 lb. I have not tried that at lighter bodyweight.
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Exactly where is the chapter and verse in which all natural phenomena is attributed to the intervention of deities? There are specific instances where supernatural intervention is documented. But, where does it state that such occurs in every case?
Listen to what you just said...."the scientific knowledge we've gained". All that means is that we've discovered things that the Creator has known from the get-go. That fact that it's take at least two millenia to get to this point merely show just how limited man is and how UNLIMITED the Creator is.
How tall are you MCWAY?
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This goes back to the post I made a few days ago, why is it that in our age of technology, live TV, the Internet, You tube, have no miracles ever been captured and presented to the public eye. But back in the day when they only had a pen and a paper did soooooo many miracles by the holy ones occur and got recorded???
LOL. You mean the Essenes were using gel rollers and scratch pads!? ;)
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How tall are you MCWAY?
The same height I was the last time you asked me that question, 5'9".
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This goes back to the post I made a few days ago, why is it that in our age of technology, live TV, the Internet, You tube, have no miracles ever been captured and presented to the public eye. But back in the day when they only had a pen and a paper did soooooo many miracles by the holy ones occur and got recorded???
Sooooooo many? The miracles documented in Scripture are actually few in number, in relation to the time span in which the Old and New Testaments were penned.
Besides, the only thing non-believers do is try to "explain away" what actually happened, even if the eyewitnesses involved give the details of the events and why they believe the miraculous has occured.
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Sooooooo many? The miracles documented in Scripture are actually few in number, in relation to the time span in which the Old and New Testaments were penned.
Besides, the only thing non-believers do is try to "explain away" what actually happened, even if the eyewitnesses involved give the details of the events and why they believe the miraculous has occured.
;)
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The point that the bible/koran whatever were written/compiled by men. It didn't fall out of the sky or magically appear. During those times men would believe almost anything and were worshiping anything they didn't understand. Some things haven't changed since those times. The religious freaks would have everyone just have faith and not try to decipher whats going on in the world around them. A number of scientists in ancient times were persecuted because their "findings" clashed with the church's desire to keep men as dumb sheep. The had all the other religions at that time slowly killed off or integrated while trying to keep their mind control going. Just because something isn't clear now doesn't mean it won't be sorted out later. Science is a gradual process involved in getting to the answers being testing each hypothesis for validity.It doesn't claim to be a be-all- know all entity. Science encourages questioning to get to the answers. Religion fears questioning while encouraging ignorance.
The church's viewpoint is - shut the frag up and don't ask questions. Do what we tell you because we know what the imaginary father figure wants us to do ::).
I wonder why the religion boys need to visit a hospital when they get sick. Surely God can heal the faithful without human intervention. The sad fact is that those who subscribe to religion need to have faith in something to prop up their weak psyche'. The fact that there is no father figure around to coddle them would be too much for them
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That's pretty good. The koran should have a disclaimer as well...along with whatever other "magic" books that are out there
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Why don’t you ask all the teachers in our schools, why kids are acting a fool, not listening to authority, and committing acts of violence against fellow students and teachers and see where “reading the Bible” ranks on the scale.
While we're on the subject of "genocide", what exactly do our non-believing brethren suggest should be done with those who refuse to adopt their godless doctrine?
Of course, there still begs the question of what this grandiose goal is of certain "heathens" and why such can't be accomplished, without the abolition of religious belief.
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The same height I was the last time you asked me that question, 5'9".
5'9" 235lbs, benching 405...natural? ::)
Do you think anyone believes those claims? (then again you are a Christian fundy, so maybe you have 'faith' in those stats...)
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As soon as you're born they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool
Till you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years
Then they expect you to pick a career
When you can't really function you're so full of fear
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
And you think you're so clever and class less and free
But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
There's room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
If you want to be a hero well just follow me
If you want to be a hero well just follow me
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The point that the bible/koran whatever were written/compiled by men. It didn't fall out of the sky or magically appear. During those times men would believe almost anything and were worshiping anything they didn't understand. Some things haven't changed since those times. The religious freaks would have everyone just have faith and not try to decipher whats going on in the world around them. A number of scientists in ancient times were persecuted because their "findings" clashed with the church's desire to keep men as dumb sheep. The had all the other religions at that time slowly killed off or integrated while trying to keep their mind control going. Just because something isn't clear now doesn't mean it won't be sorted out later. Science is a gradual process involved in getting to the answers being testing each hypothesis for validity.It doesn't claim to be a be-all- know all entity. Science encourages questioning to get to the answers. Religion fears questioning while encouraging ignorance.
The church's viewpoint is - shut the frag up and don't ask questions. Do what we tell you because we know what the imaginary father figure wants us to do ::).
I don’t know what church YOU attended, but at mine (and tons of others), we have this little thing called……BIBLE STUDY. We encourage people to study Scripture; we have discussions, in which questions are asked and answers given and explained.
That’s why, when the printing press came to the Western world, the Bible was one of the first works that was mass-produced. It was so that people could study FOR THEMSELVES. It also helped spark the Reformation. People saw the big gap between what the Bible actually said and what certain religious leaders claimed it said.
This may come as a shock to certain people, but lots of folk study the Word on their own. In fact (and this really freaks some atheists out), there are many people who weren’t Christians but BECAME CHRISTIANS by actually studying the Bible and asking questions :o
If anything, the angst of many pastors is that their congregation doesn’t do ENOUGH Bible study on their own accord.
As for your science spiel, what you keep forgetting is that early men of science were Christians. Their discoveries help solidify their belief in a supernatural Creator. And, as shown with the printing press, many of these men used their scientific knowledge to follow Christ’s decree to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, heal the sick, and preach the Gospel.
Christians don't fear questions; they welcome them. It gives them the opportunity to share their faith, something that atheists claim gets on their nerves.
I wonder why the religion boys need to visit a hospital when they get sick. Surely God can heal the faithful without human intervention. The sad fact is that those who subscribe to religion need to have faith in something to prop up their weak psyche'. The fact that there is no father figure around to coddle them would be too much for them
Why not visit hospitals? After all, the "religion boys" (or their predecessors) were likely responsible for those hospitals existing, in the first place (Have you noticed the number of "Methodist" or "Baptist" hospitals and clinics in your city or state?).
Where are all the "atheist/humanist" hosptials, humanitarian centers, food banks, homeless shelters, etc.? Why aren't people running to centers of godlessness in times of trouble? If I'm not mistaken, there's are St. Jude's medical centers that help parents care for their sick kids, REGARDLESS of the parents' income. For some strange reason, I don't see no Charles Darwin Hospitals or orphanges; nor do I see Madalyn Murray O'Hair homeless shelters or food banks.
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Bill Gates, an atheist donates more money than all charities in the United States combined.
I love that little fact.
Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Look it up.
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I don’t know what church YOU attended, but at mine (and tons of others), we have this little thing called……BIBLE STUDY. We encourage people to study Scripture; we have discussions, in which questions are asked and answers given and explained.
That’s why, when the printing press came to the Western world, the Bible was one of the first works that was mass-produced. It was so that people could study FOR THEMSELVES. It also helped spark the Reformation. People saw the big gap between what the Bible actually said and what certain religious leaders claimed it said.
This may come as a shock to certain people, but lots of folk study the Word on their own. In fact (and this really freaks some atheists out), there are many people who weren’t Christians but BECAME CHRISTIANS by actually studying the Bible and asking questions :o
If anything, the angst of many pastors is that their congregation doesn’t do ENOUGH Bible study on their own accord.
As for your science spiel, what you keep forgetting is that early men of science were Christians. Their discoveries help solidify their belief in a supernatural Creator. And, as shown with the printing press, many of these men used their scientific knowledge to follow Christ’s decree to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, heal the sick, and preach the Gospel.
Christians don't fear questions; they welcome them. It gives them the opportunity to share their faith, something that atheists claim gets on their nerves.
Why not visit hospitals? After all, the "religion boys" (or their predecessors) were likely responsible for those hospitals existing, in the first place (Have you noticed the number of "Methodist" or "Baptist" hospitals and clinics in your city or state?).
Where are all the "atheist/humanist" hosptials, humanitarian centers, food banks, homeless shelters, etc.? Why aren't people running to centers of godlessness in times of trouble? If I'm not mistaken, there's are St. Jude's medical centers that help parents care for their sick kids, REGARDLESS of the parents' income. For some strange reason, I don't see no Charles Darwin Hospitals or orphanges; nor do I see Madalyn Murray O'Hair homeless shelters or food banks.
The point is that all they're reading is the bible dumbass. Its doesn't matter whether it was done in a church or your own home. Do the "faithful" also read darwin or any other scientific journals with equal ardor? They read what they're told to read and will ignore anything the church tells them to stay away from. If the bible is so compelling why is it that several people who grew up with have turned away from it. People always do what's in their best interests. If the bible had all the answers no one would be an atheist. Why is it that churches aren't encouraging people to read widely on other religions and scientific articles and compare them with their own religious beliefs?
Lets not forget the Davinci Code fiasco. Rather than stand up to a healthy debate the church tried to have the movie banned and even exerted pressure on other countries not to show it. Church's were also encouraging their sheep to buy up all the copies to burn them. All that fuss over a fictional tale. :D
Why is it that God allows priests to sodomize young kids in his own house? Surely god should be protecting the young and faithful when they are abused by members of his own clergy
As for hospitals - don't make me laugh. If God could heal everyone- why are hospitals even needed? Surely faith heals...right? Why do the "faithful" need to rely on humans when God could do a better job? Oh..I forgot..the ways of god are beyond human understanding ;D. Hospitals are a business like any other. Lets dispense with the charity facade.
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The point is that all they're reading is the bible dumbass. Its doesn't matter whether it was done in a church or your own home. Do the "faithful" also read darwin or any other scientific journals with equal ardor? They read what they're told to read and will ignore anything the church tells them to stay away from. If the bible is so compelling why is it that several people who grew up with have turned away from it. People always do what's in their best interests. If the bible had all the answers no one would be an atheist. Why is it that churches aren't encouraging people to read widely on other religions and scientific articles and compare them with their own religious beliefs?
Lets not forget the Davinci Code fiasco. Rather than stand up to a healthy debate the church tried to have the movie banned and even exerted pressure on other countries not to show it. Church's were also encouraging their sheep to buy up all the copies to burn them. All that fuss over a fictional tale. :D
Why is it that God allows priests to sodomize young kids in his own house? Surely god should be protecting the young and faithful when they are abused by members of his own clergy
As for hospitals - don't make me laugh. If God could heal everyone- why are hospitals even needed? Surely faith heals...right? Why do the "faithful" need to rely on humans when God could do a better job? Oh..I forgot..the ways of god are beyond human understanding ;D. Hospitals are a business like any other. Lets dispense with the charity facade.
5'9", 235, lean, bench 405...'nuff said... 8)
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Amazing how everyone who has the answer to our existence is posting on a bodybuilding website. Bunch of tattoed punks who's priority is to own people, juice up, and be the idiots most people laugh at. All the time thinking we're the cool ones.
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Gates is an athiest? I did not know that. VERY interesting.
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Gates is an athiest? I did not know that. VERY interesting.
http://www.celebatheists.com/index.php?title=Category:Atheist
Here is a great Site!
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Gates is an athiest? I did not know that. VERY interesting.
I always enjoyed this exchange:
Gates was profiled in a January 13, 1996 TIME magazine cover story. Here are some excerpts compiled by the Drudge Report:
"Isn't there something special, perhaps even divine, about the human soul?" interviewer Walter Isaacson asks Gates "His face suddenly becomes expressionless," writes Isaacson, "his squeaky voice turns toneless, and he folds his arms across his belly and vigorously rocks back and forth in a mannerism that has become so mimicked at MICROSOFT that a meeting there can resemble a round table of ecstatic rabbis."
"I don't have any evidence on that," answers Gates. "I don't have any evidence of that."
He later states, "Just in terms of allocation of time resources, religion is not very efficient. There's a lot more I could be doing on a Sunday morning."
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"Miracle Man" Lance Armstrong knows that there is no such thing as god and that god is powerless. He also happens to be the leading fund raiser and dona tor when it comes to cancer and cancer research.
All this by an atheist. :) He also left his wife because she was too religious. lol
(http://www.whoa.org/charities/BooksfortheBarrios/prints/LanceArmstrong1hr.jpg)
Lance Armstrong
28-Jul-02 - From Lance Armstrong's book It's Not About the Bike: My Journey Back to Life, published by G.P Putnam's Sons 2000.
pp. 116-118
Lance Armstrong
The night before brain surgery, I thought about death. I searched out my larger values, and I asked myself, if I was going to die, did I want to do it fighting and clawing or in peaceful surrender? What sort of character did I hope to show? Was I content with myself and what I had done with my life so far? I decided that I was essentially a good person, although I could have been better--but at the same time I understood that the cancer didn't care.
I asked myself what I believed. I had never prayed a lot. I hoped hard, I wished hard, but I didn't pray. I had developed a certain distrust of organized religion growing up, but I felt I had the capacity to be a spiritual person, and to hold some fervent beliefs. Quite simply, I believed I had a responsiblity to be a good person, and that meant fair, honest, hardworking, and honorable. If I did that, if I was good to my family, true to my friends, if I gave back to my community or to some cause, if I wasn't a liar, a cheat, or a thief, then I believed that should be enough. At the end of the day, if there was indeed some Body or presence standing there to judge me, I hoped I would be judged on whether I had lived a true life, not on whther I believed in a certain book, or whether I'd been baptized. If there was indeed a God at the end of my days, I hoped he didn't say, "But you were never a Christian, so you're going the other way from heaven." If so, I was going to reply, "You know what? You're right. Fine."
I believed, too, in the doctors and the medicine and the surgeries--I believed in that. I believed in them. A person like Dr. Einhorn [his oncologist], that's someone to believe in, I thought, a person with the mind to develop an experimental treatment 20 years ago that now could save my life. I believed in the hard currency of his intelligence and his research.
Beyond that, I had no idea where to draw the line between spiritual belief and science. But I knew this much: I believed in belief, for its own shining sake. To believe in the face of utter hopelessness, every article of evidence to the contrary, to ignore apparent catastrophe--what other choice was there? We do it every day, I realized. We are so much stronger than we imagine, and belief is one of the most valiant and long-lived human characteristics. To believe, when all along we humans know that nothing can cure the briefness of this life, that there is no remedy for our basic mortality, that is a form of bravery.
To continue believing in yourself, believing in the doctors, believing in the treatment, believing in whatever I chose to believe in, that was the most important thing, I decided. It had to be.
Without belief, we would be left with nothing but an overwhelming doom, every single day. And it will beat you. I didn't fully see, until the cancer, how we fight every day gainst the creeping negatives of the world, how we struggle daily against the slow lapping of cynicism. Dispiritedness and disappointment, these were the real perils of life, not some sudden illness or cataclysmic millennium doomsday. I knew now why people fear cancer: because it is a slow and inevitable death, it is the very definition of cynicism and loss of spirit.
So, I believed.
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This interview excerpt from page 8 of the current TIME magazine dated Sept 29, 2003, "10 Questions for Lance Armstrong," seems to put him in the agnostic, if not atheist camp:
Interviewer: "For a miracleman, you're not very religious."
Armstrong: "I don't have anything against organized religion per se. We all need something in our lives. I personally just have not accepted that belief. But I'm one of the few."
Lance Armstrong ---
An article http://www.lancearmstrongfanclub.com/uktimesonline.html in the UK Times Online by Alastair Campbell, printed Saturday Feb 28, 2004, says:
He lives, close to several of his US Postal Service team colleagues, in a first-floor, four-bedroom apartment at the heart of Girona's old town. Although a confirmed atheist, he takes me almost immediately to the tiny chapel, lovingly describes its features, and, above all, the 15th-century painting of the Crucifixion that takes pride of place.
...snip...
Despite the chapel, despite the crucifix around his neck (a link with a fellow cancer patient), Armstrong is deeply suspicious of organised religion. He never knew his "so-called father", and he says that in all his 32 years, he has never asked his Mum, Linda, a single question about him. He was born with the name Gunderson, then his mother married the man who gave him his name. Terry Armstrong talked religion but used to beat Lance with a paddle and he was relieved when he walked out. "He was like me in that he got his name from someone else," Armstrong says. "His biological name was Love. But his Mom married a man named Raymond Armstrong, a preacher. It's weird, I've got his name, my kids have his name but I have never met him and I never want to meet him."
His stance on religion is in marked contrast to his wife's ever more fervent Catholicism and the difference may have been one of the factors that led to their marriage breaking up. Armstrong believes it is possible to be a good person while not believing. "I think we all have obligations to be good, honest, hard-working, caring and compassionate," he says. "You have to try and it won't always be easy but you try your best. I do not believe that because you are not prepared to submit yourself to a god or a higher being, that when you get to the end of the road, you will be sent down. I'm not prepared to believe that."
--- Lance Armstrong was quoted by ET Magazine as saying "If there was a god, I'd still have both nuts."
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EC, please place commentary on the discussion page. This page is for cites only. --ReedEsau 12:35, 7 January 2006 (PST)
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The church's viewpoint is - shut the frag up and don't ask questions. Do what we tell you because we know what the imaginary father figure wants us to do ::).
Dreadlord were you raised Catholic?
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the lord works in mysterious ways
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Suffice to say: I am getbig's premiere atheist. ;)
Deicide, are you sure you are an atheist?
You have over 1300 posts on the religion board and it is by activity your most popular board here.
Your chosen nick here is concerned with God:
Deicide:
1. The act of killing a being of a divine nature; particularly, the putting to death of Jesus Christ.
2. One concerned in putting Christ to death.
1. the killing of a god.
2. the killer of a god. — deicidal, adj.
In addition your avatar looks to have something to do with God or religion.
You also discuss God and religion on other message boards on the net.
Why do you think you spend hours upon hours discussing something in which you claim not to believe?
Also, why do you choose to describe yourself with a definition (Atheist) that implies the possibility that God (or gods) may exist?
If you truly don't believe that God exists do you think it would be more accurate to say you are a physicalist?
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The point is that all they're reading is the bible dumbass. Its doesn't matter whether it was done in a church or your own home. Do the "faithful" also read darwin or any other scientific journals with equal ardor? They read what they're told to read and will ignore anything the church tells them to stay away from. If the bible is so compelling why is it that several people who grew up with have turned away from it.
For the same reason that several others who grew up with it STAYED with it and others who didn't grow with it have embraced it: Choice and free will.
People always do what's in their best interests. If the bible had all the answers no one would be an atheist. Why is it that churches aren't encouraging people to read widely on other religions and scientific articles and compare them with their own religious beliefs?
Wrong again!! Churches have done that; mine certainly has. You again make the erroneous assumption that those who do such will abandon their Christian beliefs. That's simply not the case.
Lets not forget the Davinci Code fiasco. Rather than stand up to a healthy debate the church tried to have the movie banned and even exerted pressure on other countries not to show it. Church's were also encouraging their sheep to buy up all the copies to burn them. All that fuss over a fictional tale. :D
Did you bother checking out the churches that address the claims of the Da Vinci Code, with the refutations to those claims, or are you simply affixed to the Roman Catholic Church? The Da Vinci Code doesn't bother me in the least, as it's the same re-hashed foolishness that has been picked apart for decades (if not centuries).
Why is it that God allows priests to sodomize young kids in his own house? Surely god should be protecting the young and faithful when they are abused by members of his own clergy
As for hospitals - don't make me laugh. If God could heal everyone- why are hospitals even needed? Surely faith heals...right? Why do the "faithful" need to rely on humans when God could do a better job? Oh..I forgot..the ways of god are beyond human understanding ;D. Hospitals are a business like any other. Lets dispense with the charity facade.
As long as there's sin in this world (and man keeps disobeying God's laws), unfortunately there will be people who suffer. There will come a time when such wickedness will be eliminated from this planet. Until then, Christ charged His followers to help those who have been hurt.
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For the same reason that several others who grew up with it STAYED with it and others who didn't grow with it have embraced it: Choice and free will.
Wrong again!! Churches have done that; mine certainly has. You again make the erroneous assumption that those who do such will abandon their Christian beliefs. That's simply not the case.
Did you bother checking out the churches that address the claims of the Da Vinci Code, with the refutations to those claims, or are you simply affixed to the Roman Catholic Church? The Da Vinci Code doesn't bother me in the least, as it's the same re-hashed foolishness that has been picked apart for decades (if not centuries).
As long as there's sin in this world (and man keeps disobeying God's laws), unfortunately there will be people who suffer. There will come a time when such wickedness will be eliminated from this planet. Until then, Christ charged His followers to help those who have been hurt.
Oh boy....I hope one of your children grows up one day becomes rational and tells you that he resented having this shit forcefed to him as a child; you really deserve that.
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Who cares what man does with God's laws. Why does God chose to let HIS OWN clergy abuse kids in HIS OWN house? Surely the almighty creator can step in and prevent it from happening in the first place. Maybe God enjoys watching pedo's at work. :-X
If god is the creator he bears some responsibility for the actions of his creations who use his bullshit to bring suffering onto others. You have that bible so far up your ass you're regurgitating it pages like a zombie. Why don't you face up to the fact that you're just weak willed and need a fictional father figure as a crutch to move on with your life?
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Deicide, are you sure you are an atheist?
You have over 1300 posts on the religion board and it is by activity your most popular board here.
Your chosen nick here is concerned with God:
Deicide:
1. The act of killing a being of a divine nature; particularly, the putting to death of Jesus Christ.
2. One concerned in putting Christ to death.
1. the killing of a god.
2. the killer of a god. — deicidal, adj.
In addition your avatar looks to have something to do with God or religion.
You also discuss God and religion on other message boards on the net.
Why do you think you spend hours upon hours discussing something in which you claim not to believe?
Also, why do you choose to describe yourself with a definition (Atheist) that implies the possibility that God (or gods) may exist?
If you truly don't believe that God exists do you think it would be more accurate to say you are a physicalist?
Great post.
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Deicide, are you sure you are an atheist?
You have over 1300 posts on the religion board and it is by activity your most popular board here.
Your chosen nick here is concerned with God:
Deicide:
1. The act of killing a being of a divine nature; particularly, the putting to death of Jesus Christ.
2. One concerned in putting Christ to death.
1. the killing of a god.
2. the killer of a god. — deicidal, adj.
In addition your avatar looks to have something to do with God or religion.
You also discuss God and religion on other message boards on the net.
Why do you think you spend hours upon hours discussing something in which you claim not to believe?
Also, why do you choose to describe yourself with a definition (Atheist) that implies the possibility that God (or gods) may exist?
If you truly don't believe that God exists do you think it would be more accurate to say you are a physicalist?
Of course I am an atheist; I am also an antitheist and have said so many times:
"I'm not even an atheist so much as I am an antitheist; I not only maintain that all religions are versions of the same untruth, but I hold that the influence of churches, and the effect of religious belief, is positively harmful."
Of course there is a possibility that gods exist; no one can be entirely sure there are no gods but one can be virtually certain.
Richard Dawkins uses a scale of 1-7, 1 meaning you are absolutely sure there are gods and 7 meaning you are absolutely sure there are no gods; I am a 6. Most rational atheists would be a 6, just like you would be a 2 (likely).
As to why I talk about religion here and elsewhere on the net; I need some form of entertainment. In real life I never think about god/gods nor talk about such things with my friends (they are rational); admittedly I am more of an antitheist than many of my atheist friends who think theism and religion are silly but don't otherwise bother with it but I think it is harmful. We know the world is not 6,000 years old and yet people insist not only on believing it is, they insist on telling their children it is as well. Religion (especially your sort of fundamentalist religion) clouds the mind, is rigid and is entirely solipsistic in its nature. Anyway...there you go. At the end of the day it simply baffles me how people can believe such utter falsehood such as talking snakes and sinful apples and all the rest of the junk.
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Of course I am an atheist; I am also an antitheist and have said so many times:
Of course there is a possibility that gods exist; no one can be entirely sure there are no gods but one can be virtually certain.
Richard Dawkins uses a scale of 1-7, 1 meaning you are absolutely sure there are gods and 7 meaning you are absolutely sure there are no gods; I am a 6. Most rational atheists would be a 6, just like you would be a 2 (likely).
As to why I talk about religion here and elsewhere on the net; I need some form of entertainment. In real life I never think about god/gods nor talk about such things with my friends (they are rational); admittedly I am more of an antitheist than many of my atheist friends who think theism and religion are silly but don't otherwise bother with it but I think it is harmful. We know the world is not 6,000 years old and yet people insist not only on believing it is, they insist on telling their children it is as well. Religion (especially your sort of fundamentalist religion) clouds the mind, is rigid and is entirely solipsistic in its nature. Anyway...there you go. At the end of the day it simply baffles me how people can believe such utter falsehood such as talking snakes and sinful apples and all the rest of the junk.
Make sure you clairfy that when you are a 6 on the scale, it regards that the likelihood that a talking vacuum cleaner will win the 2008 Mr. Olympia is the same as the likelihood of the existence of god.
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I like when the Pope was dying and there were BILLIONS of prayers all at the same time begging for him to be restored in full health.
At no time on this planet, in any instance had one man received as many prayers simultaneously from so many different deluded believers.
Guess what happened to Pope John Paul II?
He died. hahhahhahhahhahhahha
The man was in his 80's was he not.
Many people pray for peoples souls rather than out of desire and wants.
Prayer should not be selfish IMO
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5'9" 235lbs, benching 405...natural? ::)
Do you think anyone believes those claims? (then again you are a Christian fundy, so maybe you have 'faith' in those stats...)
A 5'10 20yr old at my gym weighing 210lbs benches 400lbs
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Make sure you clairfy that when you are a 6 on the scale, it regards that the likelihood that a talking vacuum cleaner will win the 2008 Mr. Olympia is the same as the likelihood of the existence of god.
LOL.
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Richard Dawkins uses a scale of 1-7, 1 meaning you are absolutely sure there are gods and 7 meaning you are absolutely sure there are no gods; I am a 6. Most rational atheists would be a 6, just like you would be a 2 (likely).
Yes, yes, truly the climax of western knowledge, Dawkins' famous religious scale. I guess that sums it all up.
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Yes, yes, truly the climax of western knowledge, Dawkins' famous religious scale. I guess that sums it all up.
Where are you on the scale Wienerschnitzel?
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Where are you on the scale Wienerschnitzel?
It's a scale between scientific positivism and (a very simple form of) christian fundamentalism (apparently all that Dawkins is able to come up with).
On a scale between false and false, you will not find any true and that's why Dawkins has no clue. ;)
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It's a scale between scientific positivism and (a very simple form of) christian fundamentalism (apparently all that Dawkins is able to come up with).
On a scale between false and false, you will not find any true and that's why Dawkins has no clue. ;)
How certain are you that there is a higher power?
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How certain are you that there is a higher power?
If you put it like that: 0%.
That's just too big a topic to discuss on this thread.
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Make sure you clairfy that when you are a 6 on the scale, it regards that the likelihood that a talking vacuum cleaner will win the 2008 Mr. Olympia is the same as the likelihood of the existence of god.
Hmm. Would you accept a talking fridge? ;)
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We created quite the shit storm. :D
By pointing out ALL of the stupid ass bull shit religions, god, jesus, etc., bring...
John Paul II died like every one else :D and NO, he did NOT go to Heaven. ALL that LIVES,
JUST DIES. Miracles do NOT happen. Will a person who had their arm blown off in Iraq,
have it touched, like Jesus did to the Soldier that lost his ear? (NOT!), and have it be back
on as if it NEVER came off? NO! ALL of this God and Jesus shit, is just BULL SHIT. BULL FUCKING SHIT.
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We created quite the shit storm. :D
By pointing out ALL of the stupid ass bull shit religions, god, jesus, etc., bring...
John Paul II died like every one else :D and NO, he did NOT go to Heaven. ALL that LIVES,
JUST DIES. Miracles do NOT happen. Will a person who had their arm blown off in Iraq,
have it touched, like Jesus did to the Soldier that lost his ear? (NOT!), and have it be back
on as if it NEVER came off? NO! ALL of this God and Jesus shit, is just BULL SHIT. BULL FUCKING SHIT.
Jesus spoke in parable so less educated people could understand.
it is not the body that goes to heaven. its teh soul
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Why is it that God allows priests to sodomize young kids in his own house? Surely god should be protecting the young innocent and faithful when they are abused by members of his own clergy?
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BAM. GAME OVER. God would NOT let children be molested and raped. END OF STORY.
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God gave man free will.
if you dont subscribe to this belief then
Man forged his own free will.
My mum works on the childcare protection committee in my parish and diocese to minimise the risk of this happening as much as she can. It is also a voluntary post.
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They WHY put the ear back on then? If the mother fucking god damn spirit is going to heaven any way? You see? BULL SHIT. PURE BULL SHIT. COW SHIT. PURE COW SHIT.
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IF Jesus and God are PERFECT...then WHY does there have to be a THIRD coming of Jesus Christ? He could NOT get the shit right the first two fucking times? Emperor Qin of China...and others who have lived...let us say...10,000 BCE...Up until Jesus was born...Were waiting and waiting and waiting for him to come and save them all...Guess what? He was born 2,009 (Let's NOT split hairs here, and play games...play semantics) years ago...and he actually had to get killed and die, to come back a second time, and the universe as we know it...are what? waiting for his third act? Is this MLB? Do you get THREE STRIKES? NO. The people that lived 20,000, 15,000, 10,000, 05,000, 2,500, 01,000 (ALL BCE)...ALL GOT ASS FUCKED IF THERE IS A GOD AND A JESUS.
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Dreadlord were you raised Catholic?
Hah - Are you insinuating that the most/all atheists were raised catholic?
I wasn't raised with religion period. My parents didn't rely on a invisible man who lives in the sky to provide me with advice on how to live life.
Since you were so curious stella maybe you'd like to answer my question
Why is it that God allows priests to sodomize young kids in his own house? Surely god should be protecting the young innocent and faithful when they are abused by members of his own clergy?
I like this quote from Lance
I do not believe that because you are not prepared to submit yourself to a god or a higher being, that when you get to the end of the road, you will be sent down. I'm not prepared to believe that."
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IF Jesus and God are PERFECT...then WHY does there have to be a THIRD coming of Jesus Christ? He could NOT get the shit right the first two fucking times? Emperor Qin of China...and others who have lived...let us say...10,000 BCE...Up until Jesus was born...Were waiting and waiting and waiting for him to come and save them all...Guess what? He was born 2,009 (Let's NOT split hairs here, and play games...play semantics) years ago...and he actually had to get killed and die, to come back a second time, and the universe as we know it...are what? waiting for his third act? Is this MLB? Do you get THREE STRIKES? NO. The people that lived 20,000, 15,000, 10,000, 05,000, 2,500, 01,000 (ALL BCE)...ALL GOT ASS FUCKED IF THERE IS A GOD AND A JESUS.
He hasnt come back yet. Hope this helps.
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He hasnt come back yet. Hope this helps.
Ha ha ha
It's a long journey. He's probably lost his map and is hitchhiking. ;D
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They WHY put the ear back on then? If the mother fucking god damn spirit is going to heaven any way? You see? BULL SHIT. PURE BULL SHIT. COW SHIT. PURE COW SHIT.
Happy are those who believe and have not yet seen.
i have my own personal reasons for believing. You have yours for not believing.
Diff is i accept it. You dont seem to understand a lot about it, i dont mena this in an arrogant way
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Oh boy....I hope one of your children grows up one day becomes rational and tells you that he resented having this shit forcefed to him as a child; you really deserve that.
And why exactly do I "deserve that"? Do you "deserve" to have your son (should you ever have one) become a Christian?
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Who cares what man does with God's laws. Why does God chose to let HIS OWN clergy abuse kids in HIS OWN house? Surely the almighty creator can step in and prevent it from happening in the first place. Maybe God enjoys watching pedo's at work. :-X
If god is the creator he bears some responsibility for the actions of his creations who use his bullshit to bring suffering onto others. You have that bible so far up your ass you're regurgitating it pages like a zombie. Why don't you face up to the fact that you're just weak willed and need a fictional father figure as a crutch to move on with your life?
Weak-willed??? Hmmm....That's rich, This coming from someone blubbering and cursing over someone he doens't believe to exist.
As far as regurgitating goes, that honor falls on you, as yet another run-of-the-mill atheist recycles one tired catchphrase after another. You guys need some new material.
With regards to your obsession with pedophile priests, this ain't the first time people of the cloth has abused their authority and hurt others and it won't be the last. God dealt with those in the past who did such; He will do so with those who currently do that.
Of course, once that happens, I'm sure you (and your godless brethren) will revert to the usual hollering, this time about how cruel God is for sending judgment on evil-doers. If not that, you'll find some other way to resemble a three-year-old brat, who just got his favorite cookie taken from him.
And all of these histrionics over someone in whom you DON'T believe. And, you guys think we're nuts!!!! ::)
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Hah - Are you insinuating that the most/all atheists were raised catholic?
I wasn't raised with religion period. My parents didn't rely on a invisible man who lives in the sky to provide me with advice on how to live life.
Since you were so curious stella maybe you'd like to answer my question
Why is it that God allows priests to sodomize young kids in his own house? Surely god should be protecting the young innocent and faithful when they are abused by members of his own clergy?
Notwithstanding the fact that your question already got answered (maybe not to your liking, but that's your own affair), since you're so hyped on having questions answered, try these on for size (which I posted earlier):
What exactly do our non-believing brethren suggest should be done with those who refuse to adopt their godless doctrine?
Of course, there still begs the question of what this grandiose goal is of certain "heathens" and why such can't be accomplished, without the abolition of religious belief.
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Ha ha ha
It's a long journey. He's probably lost his map and is hitchhiking. ;D
Dude needs a TomTom!
(http://www.navigadget.com/wp-content/postimages/2008/03/tomtom-go-930.jpg)
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And why exactly do I "deserve that"? Do you "deserve" to have your son (should you ever have one) become a Christian?
AND WOULD YOU RESPECT YOUR SONS DECISION OR CONTINUE TO FORCEFEED HIM THE SAME BS .
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Again...answer the question goudy...WHY put the ear back on? If the man is going to die...and his spirit to heaven? WHY did Jesus NOT save the people from 10,000 BCE? 05,000 BCE? He came, and did NOTHING for them. NOTHING. And WHY 2009 years ago? WHY pick that arbitrary number? You DO see how NONE of this makes ANY sense...RIGHT? Or are you still making Creflo Dollar RICHER?
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Creflo to Goudy: I'm Pimping You Out.
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Weak-willed??? Hmmm....That's rich, This coming from someone blubbering and cursing over someone he doens't believe to exist.
As far as regurgitating goes, that honor falls on you, as yet another run-of-the-mill atheist recycles one tired catchphrase after another. You guys need some new material.
With regards to your obsession with pedophile priests, this ain't the first time people of the cloth has abused their authority and hurt others and it won't be the last. God dealt with those in the past who did such; He will do so with those who currently do that.
Of course, once that happens, I'm sure you (and your godless brethren) will revert to the usual hollering, this time about how cruel God is for sending judgment on evil-doers. If not that, you'll find some other way to resemble a three-year-old brat, who just got his favorite cookie taken from him.
And all of these histrionics over someone in whom you DON'T believe. And, you guys think we're nuts!!!! ::)
The only brat i see is you - sobbing and melting down whenever your precious faith is challenged. All you do is regurgitate the same old crap while clutching your security blanket. I guess you still believe in Santa claus and the Easter bunny as well....and your 405lb bench press ;D
Calm down and catch your breath McWay. I'm just having some fun at your expense. Incidentally, i never said religion should be abolished. It has its uses - keeping sheep like you in line with fear of the unknown.
I can only imagine what would happen if your security blanket was taken away from ya. The mental breakdown would be horrific. :D
As for as the pedo question goes - you didn't answer the question. I didn't ask you about those scumbags. I asked you why your god chooses to let it happen. Who cares about punishment after the act has been perpetrated. Its too late. Prevention now is always better than punishment later. Incidentally, how do you know that god has dealt with the pedos? Did he tell you that? ;)
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AND WOULD YOU RESPECT YOUR SONS DECISION OR CONTINUE TO FORCEFEED HIM THE SAME BS .
Epic dodging the question...
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Of course there is a possibility that gods exist;
:) !
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. Most rational atheists would be a 6, just like you would be a 2 (likely).
Thanks for the "(likely)" ;D
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As to why I talk about religion here and elsewhere on the net; I need some form of entertainment. In real life I never think about god/gods nor talk about such things with my friends (they are rational); admittedly I am more of an antitheist than many of my atheist friends who think theism and religion are silly but don't otherwise bother with it but I think it is harmful. We know the world is not 6,000 years old and yet people insist not only on believing it is, they insist on telling their children it is as well. Religion (especially your sort of fundamentalist religion) clouds the mind, is rigid and is entirely solipsistic in its nature. Anyway...there you go. At the end of the day it simply baffles me how people can believe such utter falsehood such as talking snakes and sinful apples and all the rest of the junk.
It seems like you get irritated and angry when posting about God/religion but I could be inferring that incorrectly from your posts. It seems like entertainment should be enjoyable but I guess it could also be relief from boredom.
I realize you think that religions and Christianity are silly, but do you really think that true Christianity is harmful?
And as we've covered on the religion board, the scriptures do not indicate an age of the earth at all. Not all Christians embrace the concept of a 6000 year old earth.
Oh, and are you saying that Christianity is solipsistic? Is solipsistic the word you meant to use?
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Hah - Are you insinuating that the most/all atheists were raised catholic?
No. But this statement of yours sounds a lot like what I've heard from Catholics I know (although they put it a bit differently ;D). I assume not that all the Catholic churches teach things like that though.
"The church's viewpoint is - shut the frag up and don't ask questions. Do what we tell you because we know what the imaginary father figure wants us to do ."
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Since you were so curious stella maybe you'd like to answer my question
Why is it that God allows priests to sodomize young kids in his own house? Surely god should be protecting the young innocent and faithful when they are abused by members of his own clergy?
By [God's] house are you talking about the Catholic church? I don't really see that as "God's house" and I don't see some priests as God's clergy.
But let me answer the question this way....why does God allow some kids to be molested when he could smash the the sick pedos doing the molesting? My answer is that I don't know.
I believe we all have free will and often choose to do sinful things. But I also believe that God can stop things from happening if He chooses to do so. I think certain times when we suffer we grow in character, learn, etc. But why does He allow child molestation/abuse or animal cruelty etc? I just don't know.
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I am proud that I am not the only GETBIG Atheist!
Seems like I share great company.
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By [God's] house are you talking about the Catholic church? I don't really see that as "God's house" and I don't see some priests as God's clergy.
But let me answer the question this way....why does God allow some kids to be molested when he could smash the the sick pedos doing the molesting? My answer is that I don't know.
I believe we all have free will and often choose to do sinful things. But I also believe that God can stop things from happening if He chooses to do so. I think certain times when we suffer we grow in character, learn, etc. But why does He allow child molestation/abuse or animal cruelty etc? I just don't know.
Finally!!!!
someone is straightforward. I don't agree with your views on God Stella but i appreciate your honesty in saying you don't know rather than try to cover it up with some religious psychobabble like Mcway (Mr 405 Bench)does. The first step towards understanding is admitting that we don't have all the answers hence the need to ask questions and explore.
BTW I wasn't referring to just Christianity. I was referring to all religions (muslims/hindus, etc) when I get on my high horse. :D
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I am proud that I am not the only GETBIG Atheist!
Seems like I share great company.
Damn straight- the search for knowledge continues......
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Only a moron prays.
Atheism is the only rational choice.
Only a moron is an atheist.
Thinking that the world and all the systems we depend upon to live
is created by a big bang is not rational, just plain stupid.
Like it or not something is out there.. ;)
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It seems like you get irritated and angry when posting about God/religion but I could be inferring that incorrectly from your posts. It seems like entertainment should be enjoyable but I guess it could also be relief from boredom.
I realize you think that religions and Christianity are silly, but do you really think that true Christianity is harmful?
And as we've covered on the religion board, the scriptures do not indicate an age of the earth at all. Not all Christians embrace the concept of a 6000 year old earth.
Oh, and are you saying that Christianity is solipsistic? Is solipsistic the word you meant to use?
Yes, absolutely. The entire focus on 'personal salvation' and saving one's 'soul'; it's one of the purest forms of egotism in existence.
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It seems like you get irritated and angry when posting about God/religion but I could be inferring that incorrectly from your posts. It seems like entertainment should be enjoyable but I guess it could also be relief from boredom.
I realize you think that religions and Christianity are silly, but do you really think that true Christianity is harmful?
And as we've covered on the religion board, the scriptures do not indicate an age of the earth at all. Not all Christians embrace the concept of a 6000 year old earth.
Oh, and are you saying that Christianity is solipsistic? Is solipsistic the word you meant to use?
Mind you, not all religions are the same; Christianity just takes the cake in terms of stupidity I would have to say.
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Only a moron is an atheist.
Thinking that the world and all the systems we depend upon to live
is created by a big bang is not rational, just plain stupid.
Like it or not something is out there.. ;)
Ha! This statement is as overarching and ignorant as those of whom you criticize. Try again. ;)
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Damn straight- the search for knowledge continues......
Word...
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Mind you, not all religions are the same; Christianity just takes the cake in terms of stupidity I would have to say.
I disagree.
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I disagree.
On what point do you disagree?
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Yes, absolutely. The entire focus on 'personal salvation' and saving one's 'soul'; it's one of the purest forms of egotism in existence.
I actually don't believe that Christianity has anything to do with egotism. As far as I know it's the only belief system that states there are no works we can do to attain or maintain our own salvation.
In fact, Ephesian 2:8,9 states: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
OK here is the definition of solipsism:
sol·ip·sism (slp-szm, slp-)
n. Philosophy
1. The theory that the self is the only thing that can be known and verified.
2. The theory or view that the self is the only reality.
Christianity does not embrace that the self is the only thing that is real or can be known. In fact, Christianity teaches that God is real and can be known personally.
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I actually don't believe that Christianity has anything to do with egotism. As far as I know it's the only belief system that states there are no works we can do to attain or maintain our own salvation.
In fact, Ephesian 2:8,9 states: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
OK here is the definition of solipsism:
sol·ip·sism (slp-szm, slp-)
n. Philosophy
1. The theory that the self is the only thing that can be known and verified.
2. The theory or view that the self is the only reality.
Christianity does not embrace that the self is the only thing that is real or can be known. In fact, Christianity teaches that God is real and can be known personally.
The way Christians act suggests otherwise. The SELFobession with salvation; it's a deal breaker and then the need to go out and 'save' others to confirm one's own delusion and obsession with the self IS solipistic.
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Proverbs 21:19 (New Living Translation)
It is better to live alone in the desert than with a crabby, complaining wife.
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but I think it is harmful.
Mind you, not all religions are the same; Christianity just takes the cake in terms of stupidity I would have to say.
OK, but do you think true Christianity is harmful? If so, why?
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Proverbs 21:19 (New Living Translation)
It is better to live alone in the desert than with a crabby, complaining wife.
Yes, one does find the occasional pearl of wisdom in the shit stack called the Bible.
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The way Christians act suggests otherwise. The SELFobession with salvation; it's a deal breaker and then the need to go out and 'save' others to confirm one's own delusion and obsession with the self IS solipistic.
Christians cannot 'save' others. Only God can do that. We are supposed to share the gospel w/people but we have no power to 'save' people.
Like you, I know people that claim to be Christians (that may be) that can pretty irritating and seem to come off w/a holier-than-thou attitude but I'm glad I didn't stop that from me looking into who Christ was/is. No person is going to be an adequate representation of Him.
Christ does not intend for his followers to be self-obsessed but we are concerned with others' salvation for their own sake.
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Proverbs 21:19 (New Living Translation)
It is better to live alone in the desert than with a crabby, complaining wife.
How true ;D
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Christians cannot 'save' others. Only God can do that. We are supposed to share the gospel w/people but we have no power to 'save' people.
Like you, I know people that claim to be Christians (that may be) that can pretty irritating and seem to come off w/a holier-than-thou attitude but I'm glad I didn't stop that from me looking into who Christ was/is. No person is going to be an adequate representation of Him.
Christ does not intend for his followers to be self-obsessed but we are concerned with others' salvation for their own sake.
what's your heritance stella ?
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Christians cannot 'save' others. Only God can do that. We are supposed to share the gospel w/people but we have no power to 'save' people.
Like you, I know people that claim to be Christians (that may be) that can pretty irritating and seem to come off w/a holier-than-thou attitude but I'm glad I didn't stop that from me looking into who Christ was/is. No person is going to be an adequate representation of Him.
Christ does not intend for his followers to be self-obsessed but we are concerned with others' salvation for their own sake.
No, they can't because salvation is fantasy to begin with but the confirmation of one's own delusion provides immense emotional/egotistical dividends to the original solipsist.
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BAM! Moved to the religion board lol .....we had a good run ;D
what's your heritance stella ?
Not sure what you are asking BlueDevil?
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Not sure what you are asking BlueDevil?
your background, ie forefathers ( germanic, celtic, whatever )
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your background, ie forefathers ( germanic, celtic, whatever )
Swiss on my father's side and German on mother's side.
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Swiss on my father's side and German on mother's side.
excellent , reliable cheese ;D
i just wonder why people from germanic tribes choose to forget their forefathers religion
and instead choose the one that was forced upon us with violence ( and adjusted to make the transition easier)
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Swiss on my father's side and German on mother's side.
A true Aryan...