How many people here actually believe prayer has an affect on anything?

[The True Adonis]

his is all perfect and all knowing how dare you question his torture

ROFLMAO look at the drivel you used to post:

usmokepole
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Re: GH15 Question.
« Reply #69 on: July 06, 2007, 04:03:03 PM »
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your a moron too. your ignoring all the good religion does for the world, and all hope and joy faith brings to so many people. Your jumping to the conclusion that there is no soul, is no god, and is no other reality. I also bet fishes dont beleive water exists.

im not saying that you can prove there is a god, for if there was, proof would be impossible as it would be supernatural.

religion however does make people believe in alot of non-sense and illogic. If god or something like him does exist, he is seperate, sin does not matter etc... etc....

im a pantheist of sorts, god of the bible doesnt exist, and if he does he is trying to cover it up.

[The Coach]

I am glad you finally have seen the light.    I remember that it wasn`t too long ago you were a God Believer and wanted to debate me on religion.  You were even adamant about the existence of an imaginary god.

That was about a year ago.  I am glad you have changed.

It's very clear your parents screwed you up at very young age.

[arce377]

http://www.slate.com/id/2090083/

[Necrosis]

ROFLMAO look at the drivel you used to post:

usmokepole
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Re: GH15 Question.
« Reply #69 on: July 06, 2007, 04:03:03 PM »
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your a moron too. your ignoring all the good religion does for the world, and all hope and joy faith brings to so many people. Your jumping to the conclusion that there is no soul, is no god, and is no other reality. I also bet fishes dont beleive water exists.

im not saying that you can prove there is a god, for if there was, proof would be impossible as it would be supernatural.

religion however does make people believe in alot of non-sense and illogic. If god or something like him does exist, he is seperate, sin does not matter etc... etc....

im a pantheist of sorts, god of the bible doesnt exist, and if he does he is trying to cover it up.

yes i was a pantheist, people change. I enjoyed spinoza's material and had some life circumstances which may have lead me down that path.

i did want to debate you, i know far smarter people then me that beleive in god and have actually put in the time to understand, chaos, godel's theorem, cosmology etc.... granted they are not theists , and outright reject theism.

I beleive religion is a terribly simplistic concept of the universe.

and i will say that YOU were right imo.

[arce377]

In the letter, he states: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

Very well stated- probably should have thrown in the Koran for good measure!


^

And the Tora, and the Sanskrit!  

[arce377]

The Pope beatifies Mother Teresa, a Fanatic, a Fundamentalist, and a Fraud!

By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, Oct. 20th, 2003, at 04:04 PM ET


Wow...What a way to repay a woman who helped you and your Roman Catholic Church, Murder
, Rape, Molest, Steal, etc., ALL of the World...While she was alive and doing God's...Uh...Your Work, Mr. Pope. She did ALL that for you...Brought you BILLIONS of People and DOLLARS...and you throw her under the fucking speeding bus...Hope you and the rest of the Popes, burn in fucking Hell...IF there is one... 

[arce377]

With approximately 77 million members, the Anglican Communion is the third largest Communion in the World, after the Roman Catholic Church, and the Eastern Orthodox Churche.


Three mother fucking Popes. Ain't that some bull fucking shit?

[arce377]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archbishop_of_Canterbury


SHOULD there really be ANY need for MORE than ONE POPE? ONE RELIGION? NO. THAT PROVES THAT THEY ARE ALL FRAUDS.

[Camel Jockey]

It's very clear your parents screwed you up at very young age.

I can say the same for you 

[The True Adonis]

yes i was a pantheist, people change. I enjoyed spinoza's material and had some life circumstances which may have lead me down that path.

i did want to debate you, i know far smarter people then me that beleive in god and have actually put in the time to understand, chaos, godel's theorem, cosmology etc.... granted they are not theists , and outright reject theism.

I beleive religion is a terribly simplistic concept of the universe.

and i will say that YOU were right imo.

I`m impressed.  I really am.  Good of you to enter the realm of unabashed reason.  Nothing will ever hinder your progress no in whatever you choose to do.  Again, I am really impressed.

[Naked4Jesus]

So you are daying "prayer" did NOT work due to their outcomes?

But what about millions of other patients that "do" pray, and they survive?

Look, nobody knows. You tell me to prove God exists, I say prove he doesn't. I dont believe the bible in LITERAL TERMS, but, i cant say its not possible

Google me case where "the power of prayer" bought back an amputees missing limb.  ONE DAM IT!   Guess what?  You won't find it.  Do you know why?  Well... either god fucking hates amputees or quite possibly...... there is no god.

[Camel Jockey]

Religion = fairy tales from the Middle East.

Prayer has some sort of a placebo effect. People just feel better sometimes because they're looking for security, and belief in nonsense gives it to them.

[The True Adonis]

It's a bigger time-waster than Getbig. 


And at least Getbig makes people laugh.

So does the Westboro Baptist Church!  hahhahahh

Great comedy routine they have perfected!

[Dreadlord]

In fact why would you need any priests or popes? Shouldn't almighty god be able to address his slaves...er..I mean children directly?

[The True Adonis]

I like when the Pope was dying and there were BILLIONS of prayers all at the same time begging for him to be restored in full health.

At no time on this planet, in any instance had one man received as many prayers simultaneously from so many different deluded believers.

Guess what happened to Pope John Paul II?

He died. hahhahhahhahhahhahha

[Dreadlord]

I like when the Pope was dying and there were BILLIONS of prayers all at the same time begging for him to be restored in full health.

At no time on this planet, in any instance had one man received as many prayers simultaneously from so many different deluded believers.

Guess what happened to Pope John Paul II?

He died. hahhahhahhahhahhahha

 

Good one

[MP]

One look at the order of the universe, as well as the depth and range of human emotions should tell you it didn't happen by chance. We didn't evolve out of some primordial ooze by chance. There is a definite intelligence at work.

If you accept that, then you're one step closer to accepting there is a God.

From there comes religion to help define who or what God is. That's where it becomes messy.

I think it's the utmost of arrogance to believe there is no God or creator.

Man cannot create the simplest form of life in a lab. If he could, then life/God wouldn't be such a mystery.

Discussing religion on the Internet...ahh...this thread has no end.

Let me pose this question to the atheists here: Why not just kill yourself?

I'm sure there are lots of reasons besides the basic one: survival instinct.

Regardless of your particular reasons, think about your ability to rationalize and decide it's not a good idea to kill yourself. It's an innate desire that is in all of us.

There must be a reason to live beyond simply surviving and propagating.

Just my humble opinion.

[grab an umbrella]

Well first off, both sides have made great arguments, but the way I see it is a little different.  I have no choice but to believe that our world was created by something or someone.  Our society is so advanced, even the world itself is just so vast and complicated.  I refuse to believe that everything just happened, the planets revolve perfectly around each other and the sun, that's incredible to me.  Just look at the human eye for example, its so complex, how could that have come from a single celled organism?  It just doesn't make sense.  With all that being said, I don't know which god is the correct one, but I do know there is a higher power.

[MCWAY]

One look at the order of the universe, as well as the depth and range of human emotions should tell you it didn't happen by chance. We didn't evolve out of some primordial ooze by chance. There is a definite intelligence at work.

If you accept that, then you're one step closer to accepting there is a God.

From there comes religion to help define who or what God is. That's where it becomes messy.

I think it's the utmost of arrogance to believe there is no God or creator.

Man cannot create the simplest form of life in a lab. If he could, then life/God wouldn't be such a mystery.

Discussing religion on the Internet...ahh...this thread has no end.

Let me pose this question to the atheists here: Why not just kill yourself?

I'm sure there are lots of reasons besides the basic one: survival instinct.

Regardless of your particular reasons, think about your ability to rationalize and decide it's not a good idea to kill yourself. It's an innate desire that is in all of us.

There must be a reason to live beyond simply surviving and propagating.

Just my humble opinion.

You bring up a good point. On "Larry King Live", guest Bill Maher claimed that man can't move forward, until he gets rid of religion. My immediate thought was "move forward to WHAT?".

Apparently, there's this big goal or mission that non-believers wish to accomplish and the one barrier, standing in their way, is man's belief in the supernatural. What this goal or mission is, I'd like to know. And how are they so sure that (whatever this is) it absolutely CANNOT be reached, unless man abandons his belief in a higher power?

[THEBOSS]

One look at the order of the universe, as well as the depth and range of human emotions should tell you it didn't happen by chance. We didn't evolve out of some primordial ooze by chance. There is a definite intelligence at work.

If you accept that, then you're one step closer to accepting there is a God.

From there comes religion to help define who or what God is. That's where it becomes messy.

I think it's the utmost of arrogance to believe there is no God or creator.

Man cannot create the simplest form of life in a lab. If he could, then life/God wouldn't be such a mystery.

Discussing religion on the Internet...ahh...this thread has no end.

Let me pose this question to the atheists here: Why not just kill yourself?

I'm sure there are lots of reasons besides the basic one: survival instinct.

Regardless of your particular reasons, think about your ability to rationalize and decide it's not a good idea to kill yourself. It's an innate desire that is in all of us.

There must be a reason to live beyond simply surviving and propagating.

Just my humble opinion.

Everything created has a creator ! and people who like to play I DONT BELEAVE ANYTHING because Im so in smart are in fact very much the opposite ! 

[MCWAY]

But it's quite a leap to go from "there must be a creator" to "because there must be a creator, that means that the christian bible in all its ridiculousness is an accurate description of that creator and not the work of ignorant men from two thousand years ago", wouldn't you say?

What exactly makes them "ignorant"?

[THEBOSS]

But it's quite a leap to go from "there must be a creator" to "because there must be a creator, that means that the christian bible in all its ridiculousness is an accurate description of that creator and not the work of ignorant men from two thousand years ago", wouldn't you say?

Well the bible isnt to be taken literally but to say these people who wrote it are ignorant is pretty short sighted dont you think ?

[Anabolic Outlaw]

But it's quite a leap to go from "there must be a creator" to "because there must be a creator, that means that the christian bible in all its ridiculousness is an accurate description of that creator and not the work of ignorant men from two thousand years ago", wouldn't you say?

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth his handiwork.
- Psalms 19:1(b)(KJV)

[MCWAY]

Well the bible isnt to be taken literally but to say these people who wrote it are ignorant is pretty short sighted dont you think ?

Which parts are or aren't supposed to be taken literally?

Jesus Christ's death and resurrection are for the sin of mankind. Where and when did this sin initially occur?

[THEBOSS]

Which parts are or aren't supposed to be taken literally?

If you dont understand what I mean then I dont have time to go over every part with you ! Cheers !