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Okay hypothetical say Yates was never part of the equation , Lee Haney VS Flex Wheeler who wins? discuss
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Flex by a country mile, way better arms, legs and conditioning.
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Flex is the second greatest bb'er ever after Ronnie.
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Not to take anything away from Lee, but I'm going with my dawg, Flex Wheeler. 8)
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Flex is the second greatest bb'er ever after Ronnie.
Apples and oranges.
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Flex, hands down
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Haney is better, flex was the posterchild for 'all drugs' and he put synthol in his bis and delts.
haney had superior torso, their legs were the same, flex had better arms but only post-synthol before they were the same.
haney had superior chest, back and lats.
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Nice calves... ::)
And yes, I vote Flex as he wasn't such a complete jeezus freak as Lee.
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yes and flex had fake calves as well. piece of shit
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ANOTHER STUPID ND THREAD TRYIN TO GET ATTENTION ::)
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ANOTHER STUPID ND THREAD TRYIN TO GET ATTENTION ::)
It got yours. Even a reply, no? :D
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Haney never resorted to cheating
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Haney never resorted to cheating
I hear ya, Haney would never use steroids.
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I hear ya, Haney would never use steroids.
Steroids = not cheating
Synthol, implants = cheating
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Okay hypothetical say Yates was never part of the equation , Lee Haney VS Flex Wheeler who wins? discuss
1991 Olympia Haney vs 1993 Olympia Wheeler? Haney.
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1991 Olympia Haney vs 1993 Olympia Wheeler? Haney.
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Wrong as usual! You're hopeless sucky. A straight-up fuckin' idiot.
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Lee for his amazing width,Flex for his incredible quad sweep.
Arnold and Flex are my alltime favourites, so Flex.
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Wrong as usual! You're hopeless sucky. A straight-up fuckin' idiot.
Go gag on your step father's dick until your brain becomes even more damaged from oxygen deprivation than it already is, you inbred turd. You are single-handedly the greatest retard in this board. It is amazing noob. This is the gazillionth time you have written that I am an idiot and yet you haven't given a single reason for my Í'm wrong. You are just stupid and lack the capacity to formulate a single coherent argument, which is why you repeat the same shit over and over again.
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Go gag on your step father's dick until your brain becomes even more damaged from oxygen deprivation than it already is, you inbred turd. You are single-handedly the greatest retard in this board. It is amazing noob. This is the gazillionth time you have written that I am an idiot and yet you haven't given a single reason for my Í'm wrong. You are just stupid and lack the capacity to formulate a single coherent argument, which is why you repeat the same shit over and over again.
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No one's going to suck your muscle so stop asking you middle aged wind bag.
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Go gag on your step father's dick until your brain becomes even more damaged from oxygen deprivation than it already is, you inbred turd. You are single-handedly the greatest retard in this board. It is amazing noob. This is the gazillionth time you have written that I am an idiot and yet you haven't given a single reason for my Í'm wrong. You are just stupid and lack the capacity to formulate a single coherent argument, which is why you repeat the same shit over and over again.
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You're wrong because you exist! Your name itself is a total abomination. Stop posting nonsense and I'll play nice...nah, fuck it. You aren't capable of posting anything worthwhile.
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Hands down -- Haney.
Too much raw size for Flex to handle. His width would have exacerbated how narrow Flex was. Also, Flex's pecs were small, whereas Haney had a huge chest. And Haney's back dwarfed Flex's in width, and had equal detail. Plus, Haney's taper from the front was sick. Maybe the sickest ever (except for Buchannan).
Haney didn't have better back detail. Thicker, yes. More detailed, no.
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Although i like Flex's physique more, I'll give it to Lee.....
WIDER, better CHEST (Flex's was childish) and wider BACK.
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Haney - no contest.
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Flex was a drugs machine, haney had the real muscle look and actually trained.
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For me Haney is probably the greatest of all time. The last and best of the pre-HGH, pre-insulin era. I see him as the full stop on the pumping iron era...
V-taper was awesome..his shoulder to waist ratio was the best I've seen.
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I can't believe anyone would ever choose Haney over Flex. Flex wins in virtually every pose and every bodypart. They were both great bodybuilders but as for comparing the two - there's no contest.
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Flex is definitely better … but as I said before flex didn’t deserve any Olympia cause of bad timing … he was very good … but in 93, 98 and 99 Dorian and Ronnie won fare and square and it couldn’t go any other way … 94 was much more controversial than the 3 years mentioned
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flex never looked hard and grainy like haney, its more that his muscles blew up because of bootloads of drugs
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flex 1993 may of been too small for Haney but 1998 ASC flex would beat Haney handily
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For me Haney is probably the greatest of all time. The last and best of the pre-HGH, pre-insulin era. I see him as the full stop on the pumping iron era...
V-taper was awesome..his shoulder to waist ratio was the best I've seen.
Absolutely, the guy's structure rivals Sergio and his torso is without doubt the best ever. Wider than Dorian or Coleman with Wheeler's waist / hips. Pre-oil Wheeler is a 'lightweight' by comparison.
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Flex was a drugs machine, haney had the real muscle look and actually trained.
Flex was a lazy fucker, just like Paul Dillet, they expected their genetics to carry them to victory...
Dorian Yates: now that's some hardcore training.
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Haney is the GOAT. If you take Flex/Dorian's best qualities you have Haney, except calves. Haney had Dorian's width, thickness and size with Flexs' tiny joints. He'd win 10-14 more O's if he kept competing. He retired at the same age Dorian, Ronnie and Jay won their 1st O (younger than J).
He had a better taper than Buchanan. His waist wasn't as small but his lats were so much wider & his legs from the front gave him that X frame. creating a better ratio (illusion) than BrianI can't believe anyone would ever choose Haney over Flex. Flex wins in virtually every pose and every bodypart. They were both great bodybuilders but as for comparing the two - there's no contest.
???. Back, chest, tricep, width, thickness and taper Haney. Front & rear double bicep & latspread, side chest and tricep, most muscular Haney. U right about them being great bbers. two of the greatest of all time
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Haney is the GOAT. If you take Flex/Dorian's best qualities you have Haney, except calves. Haney had Dorian's width, thickness and size with Flexs' tiny joints. He'd win 10-14 more O's if he kept competing. He retired at the same age Dorian, Ronnie and Jay won their 1st O (younger than J).
He had a better taper than Buchanan. His waist wasn't as small but his lats were so much wider & his legs from the front gave him that X frame. creating a better ratio (illusion) than Brian ???. Back, chest, tricep, width, thickness and taper Haney. Front & rear double bicep & latspread, side chest and tricep, most muscular Haney. U right about them being great bbers. two of the greatest of all time
No Dorian 93 would crush any version of Lee Haney, same applies to Flex Wheeler
Dorian was 2 inches shorter and 10pounds heavier than Lee's best, he also happened to be in better condition
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No Dorian 93 would crush any version of Lee Haney, same applies to Flex Wheeler
Dorian was 2 inches shorter and 10pounds heavier than Lee's best, he also happened to be in better condition
That's like saying Shawn/Kevin/Flex in the 90's would've crushed any version of Arnold/sergio. In a way true, but if Arnold/Sergio was around in the 90's and in their primes, they'd be much more equipped to battle with that trio. MAYBE would've lost but would be a very good fight. Dorian looked incredible in 93 and might have crushed Haney assuming he didn't improved with the "technology" available in 93 like Dorian did. They were basically the same age, based on what Dorian and Ronnie did later in their careers. Haney retired before his prime or right as he was entering it. I also don't think it was close in 91 between Haney and Darian. I think Haney won easily, but that's a different story lol
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ANOTHER STUPID ND THREAD TRYIN TO GET ATTENTION ::)
And you feel for it now don't you look fucking stupid ;) and how is this stupid? its a legitimate topic that really hasn't been touch on.
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Haney, no contest. Haney was ninja proof.
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Flex had better genes but he never reached his limits.. Lee did..
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Flex had better genes but he never reached his limits.. Lee did..
I don't think Haney reached his full potential he retired very young , who knows what he could have done.
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That's like saying Shawn/Kevin/Flex in the 90's would've crushed any version of Arnold/sergio. In a way true, but if Arnold/Sergio was around in the 90's and in their primes, they'd be much more equipped to battle with that trio. MAYBE would've lost but would be a very good fight. Dorian looked incredible in 93 and might have crushed Haney assuming he didn't improved with the "technology" available in 93 like Dorian did. They were basically the same age, based on what Dorian and Ronnie did later in their careers. Haney retired before his prime or right as he was entering it. I also don't think it was close in 91 between Haney and Darian. I think Haney won easily, but that's a different story lol
But here we talk abt Lee Haney of 91 and Flex of 93,.. only 2 years diff. Not 2 decades as per ur example..
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But here we talk abt Lee Haney of 91 and Flex of 93,.. only 2 years diff. Not 2 decades as per ur example..
and look how the two years changed in terms of physique especially from Haney to Yates and again Haney retired young I would still say there was room for improvements
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I don't think Haney reached his full potential he retired very young , who knows what he could have done.
I don't think he would improve coz when he retired he had no more motivation to go wth.. He didn't expect any one to repeat his record.. Only if he was still hungry he would continue and would improve to go with Dorian and the others but he was not..
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I don't think he would improve coz when he retired he had no more motivation to go wth.. He didn't expect any one to repeat his record.. Only if he was still hungry he would continue and would improve to go with Dorian and the others but he was not..
I agree about the motivation , he had nothing prove. however physically I don't think we've seen the best Lee Haney there could be either way.
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I agree about the motivation , he had nothing prove. however physically I don't think we've seen the best Lee Haney there could be either way.
mmm but put in mind that Lee Haney was known for his hard training so how come he couldn't improve "dramatically" from 84 to 91 then to expect him to improve suddenly in 1 or 2 years.. May be only if he never used the best diet for his body..
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mmm but put in mind that Lee Haney was known for his hard training so how come he couldn't improve "dramatically" from 84 to 91 then to expect him to improve suddenly in 1 or 2 years.. May be only if he never used the best diet for his body..
Drugs GH & Insulin I think he would have gown by leaps & bounds , better or for worse and he trained pretty hard not insane like Yates or Ronnie but he was pretty strong
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Drugs GH & Insulin I think he would have gown by leaps & bounds , better or for worse and he trained pretty hard not insane like Yates or Ronnie but he was pretty strong
May be.. But for me Lee Haney must have been training better than Dorian.. Coz Dorian's "insane" training intensity cost him a lot.. He torn his left bi in 94 then his left tri in 97 and was forced to retire early.. So he must have been doing somethng above his limits.. If Lee Haney was training like this he too may have torn smthng and retired early b4 taking all the 8 sandows.. One of Lee's good things was his ability to stay away from injuries throughout his career..
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You're wrong because you exist! Your name itself is a total abomination. Stop posting nonsense and I'll play nice...nah, fuck it. You aren't capable of posting anything worthwhile.
Ha ha ha ha...ok, noob. And the opinion of a worthless noob like you who doesen't even have a couple hundred posts yet and who just registered matters because...? You are a shit stain in this board compared to me, so STFU, bitch.
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I'm going with the King of Symmetry 8)
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But here we talk abt Lee Haney of 91 and Flex of 93,.. only 2 years diff. Not 2 decades as per ur example..
I'm talking about 91 Haney and 93 Dorian. 93 Flex could not beat 91 Haney. Like ND said the GH/Insulin combo, or whatever it was, pushed the envelop in those two yrs. From 93 on bbers went to another level size wise. There was a difference from the guys in the 70's compared to the guys in the 80 and between guys in the 80's up until about 92 then there was a jump in the physiques.
Flex had better genes but he never reached his limits.. Lee did..
I think Flex reached his potential but wasn't able to maintain it with his ailment. based on how other physiques improved after Haney retired and his age, I don't think he reached his potential, not even close. I do think Dorian improving and pushing him would be enough motivation for Haney had he continued
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Haney was a better bodybuilder and a better role model.
Lee Haney wasnt hanging out with members of NWA or thowing up gang signs when he posed.
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haney was the best of his time but you gotta go with flex
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Good topic ND, in my veiw Lee had a more matured look to his build than Flex, Haneys only real weakness were his bicep size ( well the judges didn,t seem to think so with 8 Olympias) Flex of course had increadible muscle-bellys fantasic back, biceps, hams,and flare to his outer quads, while on the negitive side his chest size, suspect calves and Actual shoulder width etc... on stage togeather Lee at his best in 1991 ( or 86 is debatible) against Flex in 1993...id go with Haney based on Haneys exspeariance, maturity right though his physquie but that would of been one hell of a showdown those too going head to head.
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Agree..Lee had a more quality look to his physique--built through greater muscle maturity= more time in gym w/ greater intensity.... Flex just had the better shape n' structure--- W/ Lee's ethic--Flex woulda been a god
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Lee greater muscle Density-- Flex greater Volume
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Haney was a better bodybuilder and a better role model.
Lee Haney wasnt hanging out with members of NWA or thowing up gang signs when he posed.
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Flex at his best here, along with the ASC a week or 2 later.
Check out 4:34, unfucking believable....his upperback looks better than in 1993, not lower.
Flex 93 was too small, but put Haney against him here and Lee gets blown away
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Flex at his best here, along with the ASC a week or 2 later.
Check out 4:34, unfucking believable....his upperback looks better than in 1993, not lower.
Flex 93 was too small, but put Haney against him here and Lee gets blown away
Pure piece of art!!.. He could easily win Mr. Olympia 97 if he reached this shape.. It's strange he never presented one of his best shapes at the olympia (wth the exception of Mr. O. 93)..
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Haney didn't have better back detail. Thicker, yes. More detailed, no.
Please put your glasses on then look
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Ha ha ha ha...ok, noob. And the opinion of a worthless noob like you who doesen't even have a couple hundred posts yet and who just registered matters because...? You are a shit stain in this board compared to me, so STFU, bitch.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Another post belying your incredible lack of intelligence. You are one of a kind sucky. There aren't many dolts of your scale trolling around anymore - most of them have committed suicide or stopped posting altogether. I admire your effort in keeping stupidity on getbig alive and well. SOLDIER ON SUCKY!
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Flex is the second greatest bb'er ever after Ronnie.
Just count how many pro shows he has win, compared to Arnie, Lee, or other top pro's during the years. Flex was good and he could be best ever, but he screw it up. End of story.
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as if there wasnt access to growth in the late 80's,, get a fuckn grip....
haney couldnt touch the 93 dorian no matter what he did, haney hardly changed at all in size the whole of his career, and dispite what some of u morons think, he would of been using everything he could get his hands on at that time, including growth
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haney couldnt touch the 93 dorian no matter what he did, haney hardly changed at all in size the whole of his career, and dispite what some of u morons think, he would ofhave been using everything he could get his hands on at that time, including growth
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as if there wasnt access to growth in the late 80's,, get a fuckn grip....
haney couldnt touch the 93 dorian no matter what he did, haney hardly changed at all in size the whole of his career, and dispite what some of u morons think, he would of been using everything he could get his hands on at that time, including growth
He didn't change size his whole career? he was 233 pounds at his first Olympia in 1983 , his first Olympia win he was 243 pounds and in 1989 he competed at an admittedly soft 257 pounds
top pic is from 84 bottom one 91 he was 250 in 1991
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ND you are the
know it all expert around here
who would win? :)
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ND you are the know it all expert around here
who would win? :)
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Tough call in some poses Flex in others Haney I can't decide as of yet.
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haney > flex
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two great physiques
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Too bad if either one of them presented this kinda physique ...they would lose unfortunately ???
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Flex is looking like an oily bag of shit in the top pic.
I think more people would rather have Flex's physique, but according to the ifbb judges track record Lee>Dorian>Flex, so if Hany got with the drug program that his competitors were on and got bigger and harder he would be the winner.
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Flex is looking like an oily bag of shit in the top pic.
I think more people would rather have Flex's physique, but according to the ifbb judges track record Lee>Dorian>Flex, so if Hany got with the drug program that his competitors were on and got bigger and harder he would be the winner.
But don't 4get tht Lee was abt 10 pounds heavier thn Dorian in 1991 and beat him by only 4 points.. So if Lee didn't retire after 91 and reached Dorian's size it would be very tough.. But some one already mentioned tht Lee was 257 pounds in 1989 and looked soft.. So in 1989 he already reached the same weight of Dorian in 1993 but didn't look good.. Lee's muscles were not as hard as Dorian's but still he had better chest and shoulders.. One more thing abt Lee,.. if u look well at his ab u would see tht in some way it looked like Ronnie's ab (bth had a gap between the right and left of their abs).. This kind of abs doesn't look good wth the extra heavy weight.. Check Ronnie's ab in the last years and u will knw wht I mean.. Yes Dorian's ab too was bloated when he increased his size but still it looked much better than Ronnie's whn they posed..
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Awesome shots ND, if i recall right That shot of Flex shaking hands with Arnold, and the one of him flexing his bicep smiling looking striaght at the camera were from the 93 A/C, i recall looking at those pics in Flex at the time and thinking that this new guy would be the start of a new ERA and that he would beat Dorian at the 93 O if he showed up in the same Condation, going on how Dorian looked at the 1992 O where if i recall Dorian weighed soomething like 242-244LBS, then Dorian lowered the BOOM at the 93 O and Flex showed up a tad less sharp than at the A/C, ill still go with Haney over Flex although Haney would have to be in his 1986 or 1991 shape to beat Flex and then there would more than likely be only a point or 2 in it. then again if Flex really NAILED his condation (with ripped glutes, hams etc..) he had the potental to wipe out ANYONE in HISTORY.
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But some one already mentioned tht Lee was 257 pounds in 1989 and looked soft
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Huh?
the mags were quite specific about pointing out that dorian's 1993 win at 257 was the heaviest Mr. O. on record at that time.
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the mags were quite specific about pointing out that dorian's 1993 win at 257 was the heaviest Mr. O. on record at that time.
Yeah thats right Hulkster, i have the actual mag witch ill dig out of the basement later, the coverage on the 1989 O witch if i recall was in italy and im pretty sure Haneys weight was listed as 254LBS and Haney wasn,t soft ill scan a pic of him hitting a MM...he was Awesome..in saying that he was a TAD softer from the back but Lee did look Increadible and seeing those 2 (labrada and haney) side by side ??? ??? ???...Labrada was a class act but beating Haney wasn,t likely although Labrada had a real cause at the 1990 show where haney didnot look good.
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Flex looked great in 95. I prefer his 93, 95 physiques because he had a young look, not sure why he shaved his head. Maybe he was going for the bigger, hardcore look...along with the synthol starting in 96
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Yeah thats right Hulkster, i have the actual mag witch ill dig out of the basement later, the coverage on the 1989 O witch if i recall was in italy and im pretty sure Haneys weight was listed as 254LBS and Haney wasn,t soft ill scan a pic of him hitting a MM...he was Awesome..in saying that he was a TAD softer from the back but Lee did look Increadible and seeing those 2 (labrada and haney) side by side ??? ??? ???...Labrada was a class act but beating Haney wasn,t likely although Labrada had a real cause at the 1990 show where haney didnot look good.
never mind.
it was ND who claimed haney competed at 257 pounds (which would have predated dorian's record weight if it were true) which explains why it was wrong..
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the guy is chalked full of misinformation.... :-\
thankfully, he has us to correct him.. 8)
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Yeah thats right Hulkster, i have the actual mag witch ill dig out of the basement later, the coverage on the 1989 O witch if i recall was in italy and im pretty sure Haneys weight was listed as 254LBS and Haney wasn,t soft ill scan a pic of him hitting a MM...he was Awesome..in saying that he was a TAD softer from the back but Lee did look Increadible and seeing those 2 (labrada and haney) side by side ??? ??? ???...Labrada was a class act but beating Haney wasn,t likely although Labrada had a real cause at the 1990 show where haney didnot look good.
Could u plz Johnny also scan some pics from Mr. O. 90??.. I heared a lot abt hw Lee was far frm his normal good shape..
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Could u plz Johnny also scan some pics from Mr. O. 90??.. I heared a lot abt hw Lee was far frm his normal good shape..
Yeah no worrys bud ill dig them out later tonight or tomorrow and post tomorrow or wednesday.
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Yeah no worrys bud ill dig them out later tonight or tomorrow and post tomorrow or wednesday.
Thank u very much :)
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Well i found the Flex mag for the 1989 OLYMPIA coverage....unfortently for me 6-7 of my old collection are now water logged ( witch will teach me to store my old mags in the closet next time not the basement) what i did salvage out of the mag was a couple of pics witch show Lee pretty huge and ripped, however i cannot comfirm what Lee weighed at the show (those pages and others are stuck hard together) as ive said im fairly certain (but not 100% sure) that 254LBS is what that report said back in the day, the 1990 coverage in Flex is totally waterlogged so sorry Sherief can,t help you with those pics you wanted.
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Based on the logic that some getbiggers use:
"Lee Haney - 8 Mr. Olympia wins
Flex Wheeler - 0 Mr. Olympia wins
Nuff said."
(BTW I dont agree with that logic) ;)
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never mind.
it was ND who claimed haney competed at 257 pounds (which would have predated dorian's record weight if it were true) which explains why it was wrong..
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the guy is chalked full of misinformation.... :-\
thankfully, he has us to correct him.. 8)
Another thread where Hulkster couldn't go without mentioning MY name or Dorian Yates' name , how does it feel being such a fan-boy? See when you type you always open yourself up to get owned because as usual you jump the gun and you don't know what you're talking about .
First of all it was ME who claimed Haney competed at 257 pounds , it was Lee Haney. and how do I know? It's in his book " Lee Haney's Ultimate Bodybuilding " on page 17 ;) opppsss now don't you look stupid , chalked full of misinformation my ass , the glaring difference between you and I , is I know what the hell I'm talking about and you keep exposing your blatant ignorance with every post .
and Haney was 257 pounds in 1989 the difference between him and Yates was Dorian was 257 pounds hard as nails and bone dry.
Hulkster = owned ;)
Hulkster = "retard" ;)
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Difficult to compare Flex and Haney, different times even though they only competed 2 years apart with regard to their last and first pro show.
While we will never know for sure I have a suspicion that Fex did use a lot more and more indiscriminately than Haney, especially the new stuff that got more popular in the early 90ies.
On top of that there are only about a few contests where Flex was not visibly full of oil in several muscle groups. How can we take somebody seriously as a bodybuilder whose upper arms look significantly bigger than his chest and twice as thick as his neck later in his career ?
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Well i found the Flex mag for the 1989 OLYMPIA coverage....unfortently for me 6-7 of my old collection are now water logged ( witch will teach me to store my old mags in the closet next time not the basement) what i did salvage out of the mag was a couple of pics witch show Lee pretty huge and ripped, however i cannot comfirm what Lee weighed at the show (those pages and others are stuck hard together) as ive said im fairly certain (but not 100% sure) that 254LBS is what that report said back in the day, the 1990 coverage in Flex is totally waterlogged so sorry Sherief can,t help you with those pics you wanted.
Don't worry my friend and many many thx for ur politness and time.. 4 me Haney was the clear winner as usual.. May be some ppl thought Labrada should have won just coz Haney ws not in his normal shape and not coz Labrada was really better thn him.. They always do tht,.. I mean to place some one above some others just coz he has noticably improved thn the previous contest and not coz he is better than them or 2 place some one after some others coz he doesn't look his best shape and not coz he is worse than them!!!..
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Remember humanoids that Dorian is 2 inches shorter than Haney, standing about 5'9 while Haney was 5'11.
So for Dorian to be shorter, heavier and better condition than Haney's all time best proves that he was the better bodybuilder. This was all within a 2 year time period so it wasnt long.
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That said Lee Haney is very underrated, his physique was incredible....
Better than an early Levrone, Shawn imo
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Haney was a dedicated bodybuilder who made the most of what he genetically had. Could he improve considering that he retired pretty early? Maybe but I'm not sure that he could have really competed with the new standards Dorian set without losing what made him special. Flew had better genetics than everyone probably, a better structure even though Haney had a great one also and his muscle bellies were unmatched. But he was lazy as it gets and never challenged himself. Nobody gives a fuck about your potential if you can't fulfill it somehow. So Hany wins hands down.
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Another thread where Hulkster couldn't go without mentioning MY name or Dorian Yates' name , how does it feel being such a fan-boy? See when you type you always open yourself up to get owned because as usual you jump the gun and you don't know what you're talking about .
First of all it was ME who claimed Haney competed at 257 pounds , it was Lee Haney. and how do I know? It's in his book " Lee Haney's Ultimate Bodybuilding " on page 17 ;) opppsss now don't you look stupid , chalked full of misinformation my ass , the glaring difference between you and I , is I know what the hell I'm talking about and you keep exposing your blatant ignorance with every post .
and Haney was 257 pounds in 1989 the difference between him and Yates was Dorian was 257 pounds hard as nails and bone dry.
Hulkster = owned ;)
Hulkster = "retard" ;)
LOL so now you believe anything Lee Haney says but nothing that Ronnie Coleman says? ::) ::)
you are something else.. ::)
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Another thread where Hulkster couldn't go without mentioning MY name or Dorian Yates' name , how does it feel being such a fan-boy? See when you type you always open yourself up to get owned because as usual you jump the gun and you don't know what you're talking about .
First of all it was ME who claimed Haney competed at 257 pounds , it was Lee Haney. and how do I know? It's in his book " Lee Haney's Ultimate Bodybuilding " on page 17 ;) opppsss now don't you look stupid , chalked full of misinformation my ass , the glaring difference between you and I , is I know what the hell I'm talking about and you keep exposing your blatant ignorance with every post .
and Haney was 257 pounds in 1989 the difference between him and Yates was Dorian was 257 pounds hard as nails and bone dry.
Hulkster = owned ;)
Hulkster = "retard" ;)
"thank heaven"...
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"thank heaven"...
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lol ???
"The symmetry was on target, thank heaven[...]"
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Another thread where Hulkster couldn't go without mentioning MY name or Dorian Yates' name , how does it feel being such a fan-boy? See when you type you always open yourself up to get owned because as usual you jump the gun and you don't know what you're talking about .
First of all it was ME who claimed Haney competed at 257 pounds , it was Lee Haney. and how do I know? It's in his book " Lee Haney's Ultimate Bodybuilding " on page 17 ;) opppsss now don't you look stupid , chalked full of misinformation my ass , the glaring difference between you and I , is I know what the hell I'm talking about and you keep exposing your blatant ignorance with every post .
and Haney was 257 pounds in 1989 the difference between him and Yates was Dorian was 257 pounds hard as nails and bone dry.
Hulkster = owned ;)
Hulkster = "retard" ;)
HAHAHAHAHAH Hulkster PWNED AGAIN! LMFAO.
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LOL so now you believe anything Lee Haney says but nothing that Ronnie Coleman says? ::) ::)
you are something else.. ::)
Yeah I thought so......you have no intelligent response because you got your ass handed to you yet again and your reply is " now you believe anything Haney says " ::) no I believe what Coleman says when he says specifically that his best Olympia showing was 1998 because his conditioning was spot-on, so wrong again ' retard '
Again another thread you can't post in without mentioning my name or Dorian Yates , you're a puppy and you follow me around trying to get even for crushing your stupidity and it only gets worse , another backfired post by you in some pathetic attempt to slander me because you can't counter me
Hulkster there is a very good reason why Kevin Horton called you a retard ;)
I own you ;) do you feel stupid? because you sure look it lmao
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HAHAHAHAHAH Hulkster PWNED AGAIN! LMFAO.
He thinks he's working with something and always fall flat on his face lmfao he should know by now he can't compete with me , he'd have to know what he's talking about .
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Ronnie Coleman booed out of the stadium after another Olympia gift:
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LOL so now you believe anything Lee Haney says but nothing that Ronnie Coleman says? ::) ::)
you are something else.. ::)
I believe Ronnie Coleman ;) its you who doesn't ....sucker
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so.
Ronnie Coleman DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
Hulkster = owned again lmfao
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I believe Ronnie Coleman ;) its you who doesn't ....sucker
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so.
Ronnie Coleman DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
Hulkster = owned again lmfao
Ronnie ws very smart 2 answer this way..
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Angle withstanding, the difference with Lee between 1990 and 1991 was increadible..if i recall right that was the first time ( 1990 ) that there was DRUG testing, (i think i recall there being a DURETIC DRUG test at the 1996 O) and most the line up in 1990 looked terrible except the smaller guys, and im resonabally sure that (1990) was the last time the BB were tested for all drugs
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Another post belying your incredible lack of intelligence. You are one of a kind sucky. There aren't many dolts of your scale trolling around anymore - most of them have committed suicide or stopped posting altogether. I admire your effort in keeping stupidity on getbig alive and well. SOLDIER ON SUCKY!
Hi, Pobrecito. ;) Nice gimmick account. And I find it's funny that you claim that I lack intelligence and yet never explain why my arguments are wrong. Let's hear it, noob troll. Put up or shut up.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Hey ND, if Lee Haney was 257 pounds that means that all the hype surrounding dorian's 93 win as the heaviest ever on record was bullshit.
and its not suprising.
they needed to make up shit to make dorian's win seem more impressive than it was. LOL
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how does it feel knowing that your hero was overhyped just like a WWE star? LOL
the WWE frequently forgets history to make its stars seem better.
I guess the IFBB felt the need to do the same thing with dorian.
and its no suprise why...
::)
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Hey ND, if Lee Haney was 257 pounds that means that all the hype surrounding dorian's 93 win as the heaviest ever on record was bullshit.
and its not suprising.
they needed to make up shit to make dorian's win seem more impressive than it was. LOL
::)
how does it feel knowing that your hero was overhyped just like a WWE star? LOL
the WWE frequently forgets history to make its stars seem better.
I guess the IFBB felt the need to do the same thing with dorian.
and its no suprise why...
::)
Lets see your clearly owned now you need an angle to try and save face , piss poor angle ;)
I didn't expect much from you I never do anymore , so let me save this one for future reference , 1993 was made-up hype. got it ;)
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Lets see your clearly owned now you need an angle to try and save face , piss poor angle ;)
I didn't expect much from you I never do anymore , so let me save this one for future reference , 1993 was made-up hype. got it ;)
yup.
so much for the IFBB claiming dorian was the heaviest Mr. O on record LOL
pure hyperbole.
nothing more.
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yup.
so much for the IFBB claiming dorian was the heaviest Mr. O on record LOL
pure hyperbole.
nothing more.
lol hyperbole Dorian most overrated Mr Olympia of all-time lol see irony
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lol hyperbole Dorian most overrated Mr Olympia of all-time lol see irony
see truth.
see muscletime.
see countless threads.
see horrible reputation of physique compared to most other Mr. O's
see ND is fucked. 8)
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see truth.
see muscletime.
see countless threads.
see horrible reputation of physique compared to most other Mr. O's
see ND is fucked. 8)
keep typing my name ' retard ' ;) I own you at every turn and everyone knows it . now either stick to the topic and leave with your tail between your legs as usual.
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honestly Dorian isn't anywhere near the most overrated Mr. O ever but he's nowhere near Ronnie, Jay, Sergio or Arnold, he has Dickerson, Bannout, Zane, Columbu, Scott and Haney beat though.
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honestly Dorian isn't anywhere near the most overrated Mr. O ever but he's nowhere near Ronnie, Jay, Sergio or Arnold, he has Dickerson, Bannout, Zane, Columbu, Scott and Haney beat though.
lmfao Jay better than Dorian , I can always count on you for a laugh Dave. :)
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he is absolutely better, much more complete.
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he is absolutely better, much more complete.
I'm sure you believe that .
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I'm sure you believe that .
much bigger arms, back about equal, better shoulders by a mile, better chest, way bigger and better shaped quads, hams about equal and calves equal.
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much bigger arms, back about equal, better shoulders by a mile, better chest, way bigger and better shaped quads, hams about equal and calves equal.
I stopped at ' back about equal ' Dave with statements like these your opinion can't be taken seriously , it just can't.
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I stopped at ' back about equal ' Dave with statements like these your opinion can't be taken seriously , it just can't.
from 2005 on when Jay brought his back thickness up by leaps and bounds it is every bit as good as Dorian's was, even if we give Dorian the win on back Jay still beats him on enough things to make him better.
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from 2005 on when Jay brought his back thickness up by leaps and bounds it is every bit as good as Dorian's was, even if we give Dorian the win on back Jay still beats him on enough things to make him better.
Its not equal under ANY circumstances with the sole exception of width , and like Hulkster before you contest aren't judged as individual parts its the whole that matters , how does Jay fair in the ab-thigh? front & rear latspreads , side chest , side triceps , etc I mean its NO contest its not close Jay is big & soft , Dorian is big and hard as nails and dry as the saharah
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Its not equal under ANY circumstances with the sole exception of width , and like Hulkster before you contest aren't judged as individual parts its the whole that matters , how does Jay fair in the ab-thigh? front & rear latspreads , side chest , side triceps , etc I mean its NO contest its not close Jay is big & soft , Dorian is big and hard as nails and dry as the saharah
sorry man but that's just not true, Jay beats Dorian.
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sorry man but that's just not true, Jay beats Dorian.
again I'm sure you believe it it would be indicative of your ignorance nothing new.
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again I'm sure you believe it it would be indicative of your ignorance nothing new.
Jay 5'9" 265 pounds with more completeness than 5'11" 257 pound Dorian, Jay wins.
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Jay 5'9" 265 pounds with more completeness than 5'11" 257 pound Dorian, Jay wins.
I don't even know where to begin with that comment. ::)
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Jay 5'9" 265 pounds with more completeness than 5'11" 257 pound Dorian, Jay wins.
Epic fail(same sentence your mother blurted out when you were born). Try again.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dorian Vs Ronnie is a Legitimate argument, but no disrespect intended to Jay, and its just a veiw,i don,t think Jay would be able to beat Dorian yates even at the 1997 Show.
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Jay 5'9" 265 pounds with more completeness than 5'11" 257 pound Dorian, Jay wins.
Dorian was 5'9, so they were the same height.
Also Jay is not in Dorian's league, Yates is miles ahead in the conditioning apartment.
Backs are not comparable considering Jay has zero definition on his back
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with out lee Haney - There would be no Flex wheeler
Haney 8 time Champion -and still winner!
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with out lee Haney - There would be no Flex wheeler
Haney 8 time Champion -and still winner!
Are you saying Haney is the father of Ken Wheeler? ???
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Jays back might be undetailed but it's huge and thick. He's got a sick and complete back double bicep with a thick wide back, great arms and delts with good hams and awsome calves. Rear lat spread is good too. I don't think his back is better than Yates at all but 06 Jay IMO he looks better in the back poses. Also Jays lats in the front double bi flare out more than just about anybody including Ronnie. 01 Jay was perfect from the front.
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Dorian was 5'9, so they were the same height.
Also Jay is not in Dorian's league, Yates is miles ahead in the conditioning apartment.
Backs are not comparable considering Jay has zero definition on his back
Buddy, Dorian was at least 5'10" (billed as high as 5'11") and Jay is NOT over 5'8.5" (his billing before he made a name for himself). They are NOT the same height.