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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: donrhummy on November 17, 2008, 03:27:07 PM
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I don't get it. Anyone with as much muscle as this guy would be declared on getbig as "all drugs". Just so you know, this pic is from 1900.
If someone could look like this 108 years ago, why do so many people think that today we can't (also naturally) achieve even more muscle than him?
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I don't get it. Anyone with as much muscle as this guy would be declared on getbig as "all drugs". Just so you know, this pic is from 1900.
If someone could look like this 108 years ago, why do so many people think that today we can't (also naturally) achieve even more muscle than him?
Bobby Pandour was one of the greats. You bring up a very strong point. Keep going!
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that guy is on roids
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I don't get it. Anyone with as much muscle as this guy would be declared on getbig as "all drugs". Just so you know, this pic is from 1900.
If someone could look like this 108 years ago, why do so many people think that today we can't (also naturally) achieve even more muscle than him?
how tall what was his weight then any idea
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do you honestly see THAT MANY naturals on a daily basis that look that good? I sure dont.... ever.
anyone under 7% bodyfat weighing 190 or more is juicing. (5'7 - 5'10 "gym rat" range)
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how tall what was his weight then any idea
5' 8". Not sure of his weight.
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Juicing is the new oxygen.
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who cares if they are juicing lol its funny to see people on a bodybuilding board always accuse or bring up "juice". if you dont lie them, dont use them, im sure we can talk about plenty of peoples drug or alcohol problems
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Another guy, from 1932:
(http://www.sandowmuseum.com/000strongmanx.jpg)
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From 1897:
(http://www.sandowmuseum.com/montesaldo.jpg)
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100+ years...how would they do in Mr. GetBig? ;D
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Another guy, from 1932:
(http://www.sandowmuseum.com/000strongmanx.jpg)
no one would clam that that guy is juicing.
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But this doesnt suprise me, back in the day we had to SURVIVE now people eat themself to death go figure whats happening to our genes.
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no of them are 'negroes' with quad sweeps that rival pros....
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that guy is on roids
Oh really? What roids did they have in the early 1900's? You are pathetic!
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People hate the fact that there are guys out there with much better genetics than them, who eat junk, barely train,
and look 10x better than them.
There also seems to be alot of hate towards guys with genetically good muscle shape (full, round muscle bellies) etc
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those sandals are pretty gay on the first guy.
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those sandals are pretty gay on the first guy.
gayer than 9 guys fucking 7 guys.
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Jealousy, plain and simple. They say that to try to make it seem "easy" to get big. In their mind, they "think" they could "easily"get that big on steriods.
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A lot of people here don't believe genetics has anything to do with bodybuilding.
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I don't get it. Anyone with as much muscle as this guy would be declared on getbig as "all drugs". Just so you know, this pic is from 1900.
If someone could look like this 108 years ago, why do so many people think that today we can't (also naturally) achieve even more muscle than him?
The guys who say stuff are generally the guys who can't train hard enough to get a huge amount of muscle or they just can't get strong either naturally or on drugs. I weighed 247 without taking one thing. In front of Joe Gold and many others at World Gym I benched 500. My 501's were 34/32. I was not ripped but I was far from having excess body fat. I had a 4 pack at least and a nice vein going down my left bi and across my upper chest. I dieted very strict for one year and couldn't handle it anymore. Plus when i got into armwrestling I was at a weight that was on the light side for being a super-heavy and it was almost 30 lbs. over the next lowest weight class (heavy). So the only thing I could do was go up in weight so I was bigger, stronger and heavier so I could compete against the much heavier super-heavy's. That is when i gained weight and ended up at 300 lbs.
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The guys who say stuff are generally the guys who can't train hard enough to get a huge amount of muscle or they just can't get strong either naturally or on drugs. I weighed 247 without taking one thing. In front of Joe Gold and many others at World Gym I benched 500. My 501's were 34/32. I was not ripped but I was far from having excess body fat. I had a 4 pack at least and a nice vein going down my left bi and across my upper chest. I dieted very strict for one year and couldn't handle it anymore. Plus when i got into armwrestling I was at a weight that was on the light side for being a super-heavy and it was almost 30 lbs. over the next lowest weight class (heavy). So the only thing I could do was go up in weight so I was bigger, stronger and heavier so I could compete against the much heavier super-heavy's. That is when i gained weight and ended up at 300 lbs.
It's always about you, Keith... ::) 8)
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Yeah, we can all sit here and talk about each other and how we wrongly accuse someone of being on Steroids or wrongly defend someone who is using. I've been accused so many times that I'm use to it. I'm 40 yrs old and although I'm use to it I still can't say that it doesn't bother me. I use to take it as a compliment and even now sometimes I think I must be doing something right in order to be accused. Even though it happens to me all the time I find myself doing the exact same thing to other people. I don't know why and even without any proof. I see a guy who's packing a little size and think, "I bet he's juicin." I think it may be that using Steroids is so common place now and so many people are doing it that it makes people generalize and accuse anyone with some size, of using roids. Either way, I'm still hittin it as hard as I can and really don't give a damn what someone might think. Obviously, every guy in the world with a descent physique is not on steroids. Accusations without facts don't prove and thing and potentially can damage an innocent persons character and relegate all their hard work to the effects of Steroids alone. Just thought I'd add my 2 cents.
Pat
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no one would clam that that guy is juicing.
how exactly do you "clam"?
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how exactly do you "clam"?
with a i ;D
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I don't get it. Anyone with as much muscle as this guy would be declared on getbig as "all drugs". Just so you know, this pic is from 1900.
If someone could look like this 108 years ago, why do so many people think that today we can't (also naturally) achieve even more muscle than him?
• Because steroids are very common today.
• You can buy them with a click of your mouse.
• Kids are introduced to them in high school or even junior high school.
• Most high performance athletes (amateurs and pros) have been exposed to steroids directly or indirectly.
• We live in a time when cosmetic muscles are deemed important; vain men want them.
• Everyone likes a shortcut.
• People like to indulge; with regard to diet and exercise, Pendour lived a lifestyle that few would be willing to live today.
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• Because steroids are very common today.
• You can buy them with a click of your mouse.
• Kids are introduced to them in high school or even junior high school.
• Most high performance athletes (amateurs and pros) have been exposed to steroids directly or indirectly.
• We live in a time when cosmetic muscles are deemed important; vain men want them.
• Everyone likes a shortcut.
• People like to indulge; with regard to diet and exercise, Pendour lived a lifestyle that few would be willing to live today.
What type of lifestyle did he live?
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It's always about you, Keith... ::) 8)
I wish he would just stop posting and go away.
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It's always about you, Keith... ::) 8)
Yes it is! As soon as you realize that the better off we will be. ;D ;D ;D
I wish he would just stop posting and go away.
You know you will miss me if I did that
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I don't get it. Anyone with as much muscle as this guy would be declared on getbig as "all drugs". Just so you know, this pic is from 1900.
If someone could look like this 108 years ago, why do so many people think that today we can't (also naturally) achieve even more muscle than him?
Dude's on GH Slin and obviously injecting synthol.
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just go visit someone in prison and youll see dudes lookin like top national bodybuilders walking around,maybe afew have no legs but they have some muscled upper bodies,and they aint doin roids.great genetics combined with hard work will get some people far in bodybuilding,and then there are guys like me who do everything perfect(eat,sleep and train right) plus afew cycles and dont look nothing like them.once you accept it youll be alot better off in your bodybuilding quest,it used to bother me awhile back but i just accepted it and am doin the best with what god gave me
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Yes it is! As soon as you realize that the better off we will be. ;D ;D ;D
I think it's funny. Quick name drop and then a couple of paragraphs about yourself. Educate these fools.
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It's always about you, Keith... ::) 8)
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just go visit someone in prison and youll see dudes lookin like top national bodybuilders walking around,maybe afew have no legs but they have some muscled upper bodies,and they aint doin roids.great genetics combined with hard work will get some people far in bodybuilding,and then there are guys like me who do everything perfect(eat,sleep and train right) plus afew cycles and dont look nothing like them.once you accept it youll be alot better off in your bodybuilding quest,it used to bother me awhile back but i just accepted it and am doin the best with what god gave me
Do you honestly think that there are no drugs in a prison ? ... Now c'mon..
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I don't get it. Anyone with as much muscle as this guy would be declared on getbig as "all drugs". Just so you know, this pic is from 1900.
If someone could look like this 108 years ago, why do so many people think that today we can't (also naturally) achieve even more muscle than him?
You do realise that before TV and even radio that these guys worked out 12plus hours a day...Its not like they are actually putting on massive amounts of muscle...They are just shaping what there genetics already gave them(give or take)...
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Pandour worked out with only 5 lb dumbbells I believe. Otherwise mainly bodyweight type stuff.
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Envy and laziness. If you dismiss someones musculature as being the result of roids...
1 You can feel better about your own shitty bod
2 you don't have to bother working out to improve because after all, "'it's all drugs" ::)
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I don't get it. Anyone with as much muscle as this guy would be declared on getbig as "all drugs". Just so you know, this pic is from 1900.
If someone could look like this 108 years ago, why do so many people think that today we can't (also naturally) achieve even more muscle than him?
All Synthol
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how exactly do you "clam"?
Hilarious ::)
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Because people lie about it, a lot.
PED are widespread, every gym I've trained at more than a few times and it becomes obvious who is ready to supply the endless stream of guys looking for a short cut (or are just desperate). I am not talking about dungeons too, I mean health clubs and the like. The drug use is rife.
When you look at guys from before the steroid era then you realize just how hard it actually is to be big and muscular. People are so used to seeing hormonized physiques masquerading as natural that they've actually forgotten - or never knew - what is possible for a natural in terms of muscle mass retention at an extremely low bodyfat.
Does that mean that some gifted naturals will be accused of drugs ? Absolutely. However, usually, if it seems too good to be true, it is.
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You want some muscles you can do that without drugs. You want to compete in bb you need superior genetics that respond well to bb drugs. Couple that with a consistent, intense diet and weight training/cardio regimen and you can build what most consider a bb physique. No guarantees you'll win a bb show, but you'll at least be perceived as a bb.
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Because people lie about it, a lot.
PED are widespread, every gym I've trained at more than a few times and it becomes obvious who is ready to supply the endless stream of guys looking for a short cut (or are just desperate). I am not talking about dungeons too, I mean health clubs and the like. The drug use is rife.
When you look at guys from before the steroid era then you realize just how hard it actually is to be big and muscular. People are so used to seeing hormonized physiques masquerading as natural that they've actually forgotten - or never knew - what is possible for a natural in terms of muscle mass retention at an extremely low bodyfat.
Does that mean that some gifted naturals will be accused of drugs ? Absolutely. However, usually, if it seems too good to be true, it is.
So true. Even people who should know better are in denial about how widely PED are used. Remember that thread on Daniel Craig from a few weeks ago? When I said he was obviously on a cycle for Casino Royal (recall the scene when he’s coming out of the ocean) several dimwits here (The Wizard, ricosauve, DonkeyKong, johnnynoname, OneMoreRep, etc.) insisted he was natural.
Tbombz gave them a clue…
wow, some of you guy are so goddamn delusional.
the guy never works out in his entire life then in three months he lookds likea fitness model. but yet theres no way he was using steroids ::) more like there is no way he WAS NOT using steroids.
And MuscleMcMannus sealed the deal…
Not saying you can't build a decent body without drugs. However, it takes a helluva lot longer than 12 weeks. Plus we are talking Hollywood elite. Do you honestly think they are above taking the easy way out? Come on. Don't be so naive. Unless you have the genetics of Ronnie Coleman it takes a good while to build a solid physique naturally. Hell everyone knows that after you've been training for a long time gaining a couple pounds of lean mass a year is great progress. Some of these guys are putting on 15 lbs of muscle in a matter of months.
Even dimwits can be educated... :D
Okay, you have me convinced. Shoulders look like juice. So what. I should go on a cycle and see what happens, just to be able to keep up with you.
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I don't get it. Anyone with as much muscle as this guy would be declared on getbig as "all drugs". Just so you know, this pic is from 1900.
If someone could look like this 108 years ago, why do so many people think that today we can't (also naturally) achieve even more muscle than him?
Nobody with legs like that can say theyre on the sauce...
Sorry.
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I have seen some guys with great physiques who definately are clean. They have put in the years of training and juice or not after 7-10 years you are going to look good. Most people would think these guys are juiced.
But very few have the dedication nowadays. People just want it all now, they don't train because it's a challange they just want instant results. So they don't know what they are really doing, look pretty decent, but haven't done the hard years clean to know their bodies.
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Simply because all kids nowadays want to train a few minutes a day, a muscular group a week and believe they'll become like bodybuilders with a minimum of efforts.
The only way to build muscle naturally is at least 2-5 hours a day, each muscular group 2 times a week. Like we were doing before 80's
There is no miracle. The less you train, the less you progress...
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Simply because all kids nowadays want to train a few minutes a day, a muscular group a week and believe they'll become like bodybuilders with a minimum of efforts.
The only way to build muscle naturally is at least 2-5 hours a day, each muscular group 2 times a week. Like we were doing before 80's
There is no miracle. The less you train, the less you progress...
complete utter bullshit
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Simply because all kids nowadays want to train a few minutes a day, a muscular group a week and believe they'll become like bodybuilders with a minimum of efforts.
The only way to build muscle naturally is at least 2-5 hours a day, each muscular group 2 times a week. Like we were doing before 80's
There is no miracle. The less you train, the less you progress...
You have to be joking.
2-5 hours a day, training each muscle twice a week?????????!!!!!!
I always wonder what some of you guys are doing. I can exhast a muscle in 3 main sets. That comes with intensity and years of experience doing it. If i trained any muscle for 2 hours i wouldn't be able to move it for a week.
No wonder hardly anyone believes Dorian was doing so few sets. There is no intensity out there, you might think you have it but clearly you don't.
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I have seen some guys with great physiques who definitely are clean. They have put in the years of training and juice or not after 7-10 years you are going to look good. Most people would think these guys are juiced.
But very few have the dedication nowadays. People just want it all now, they don't train because it's a challenge they just want instant results. So they don't know what they are really doing, look pretty decent, but haven't done the hard years clean to know their bodies.
I agree with you 100%. There are people who have put in years of consistent training who have managed to build good physiques. There's something to be said for dedication, hard work and persistence.
Pat
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I agree with you 100%. There are people who have put in years of consistent training who have managed to build good physiques. There's something to be said for dedication, hard work and persistence.
Pat
steroids are one hell of a drug
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I love how so many people on a bodybuilding board call steroids 'the easy way out'.
One of the earliest influences many will cite is superheros from comics.
And there isnt a single truly natural physique that has that illusion of the superhero.
Simply put, the image many chase CANNOT be achieved without proper supplementation.
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I love how so many people on a bodybuilding board call steroids 'the easy way out'.
One of the earliest influences many will cite is superheros from comics.
And there isnt a single truly natural physique that has that illusion of the superhero.
Simply put, the image many chase CANNOT be achieved without proper supplementation.
Refer to Alex Ross.......this thread is over.
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Refer to Alex Ross.......this thread is over.
Ive seen his work, but... ???
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So true. Even people who should know better are in denial about how widely PED are used. Remember that thread on Daniel Craig from a few weeks ago? When I said he was obviously on a cycle for Casino Royal (recall the scene when he’s coming out of the ocean) several dimwits here (The Wizard, ricosauve, DonkeyKong, johnnynoname, OneMoreRep, etc.) insisted he was natural.
Tbombz gave them a clue…
And MuscleMcMannus sealed the deal…
Even dimwits can be educated... :D
Did anyone notice how the actor who played James Bond looked after the movie? His neck alone looked 2 inches skinnier. Let's face the facts; steroids work. Anyone who has tried a cycle for 6 weeks will attest to the fantastic improvement they have made on the juice. Most if honest will admit that off the juice for three months all the gains go away. I have been in this game long enough to see zeros going to heroes and back again to zeros. You can build a really good physique without juice. It's sad but telling that most won't admit to steroid use because they want all the credit for their temporary steroid build. A physique they couldn't have without the syringe. Have you ever noticed that all the juicers act like they are very knowledgeable about training but once off the juice due to health, finance, or legal problems they have nothing to say because they look like crap.
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Did anyone notice how the actor who played James Bond looked after the movie? His neck alone looked 2 inches skinnier. Let's face the facts; steroids work. Anyone who has tried a cycle for 6 weeks will attest to the fantastic improvement they have made on the juice. Most if honest will admit that off the juice for three months all the gains go away. I have been in this game long enough to see zeros going to heroes and back again to zeros. You can build a really good physique without juice. It's sad but telling that most won't admit to steroid use because they want all the credit for their temporary steroid build. A physique they couldn't have without the syringe. Have you ever noticed that all the juicers act like they are very knowledgeable about training but once off the juice due to health, finance, or legal problems they have nothing to say because they look like crap.
yes, they don't keep anything when they get off it
body returns to hormon levels of normality
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I don't get it. Anyone with as much muscle as this guy would be declared on getbig as "all drugs". Just so you know, this pic is from 1900.
If someone could look like this 108 years ago, why do so many people think that today we can't (also naturally) achieve even more muscle than him?
100% true!
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how tall what was his weight then any idea
http://www.sandowplus.co.uk/Competition/Pandour/pandour.htm (http://www.sandowplus.co.uk/Competition/Pandour/pandour.htm)
Pandour (Wladyslaw Kurcharczyk was born in Poland)weighed 160lb, was 5'6" tall and had a 42" chest, 23" thighs and 16-17" arms.
He died at the age of 44(1876-1920)
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Do you honestly think that there are no drugs in a prison ? ... Now c'mon..
i know for a fact orals are around but not all the guys lifting have access to them,trust me i know,i used to work in the visiting hall food area and would stick baloons filled with anadrol in my ass that were passed off to me by inmates visiters to bring back to the pod,my buddy had legit 20 inch arms and never touched a steroid in the joint,his legs were like chickens though cause he never squatted
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Simply because all kids nowadays want to train a few minutes a day, a muscular group a week and believe they'll become like bodybuilders with a minimum of efforts.
The only way to build muscle naturally is at least 2-5 hours a day, each muscular group 2 times a week. Like we were doing before 80's
There is no miracle. The less you train, the less you progress...
I agree with most of this.
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Simply because all kids nowadays want to train a few minutes a day, a muscular group a week and believe they'll become like bodybuilders with a minimum of efforts.
The only way to build muscle naturally is at least 2-5 hours a day, each muscular group 2 times a week. Like we were doing before 80's
There is no miracle. The less you train, the less you progress...
2-5 hours a day is for pussies! A minimum of 6 hours 5 days a week is required. Otherwise you have to be juicing.
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I really hope you guys are kidding about this 2 to 5 hrs a day, 6 days a week. If you're not then you must be out of your mind. The only thing you can accomplish by training 2 to 5 hrs a day, 6 days a week (naturally) is to be seriously overtrained. I've been training since I was 9yrs old (no joke) and what I've found over the years and what the literature on the subject is telling us is that putting in that many hours of training in the gym only hinders your progress and it's not needed. As I've gotten older I've realized that if I go in the gym and stay focused and on task I can get in and get out within an hour and accomplish all I needed to. I train one body part a day for 5 days and then take one, sometimes two days off depending on how I feel. Natural bodybuilders can't train as hard and as long as "chemically enhanced" bodybuilders due to the difference in recovery time. One of the main problems with young motivated bodybuilders or should I say wannabe bodybuilders is that they are so motivated and want to get big so bad that they are seriously overtraining. I really hope you guys were being sarcastic and I've waisted my time typing all of this. I'd feel a lot better. You might have some young inexperienced person read this and go spend all day in the gym trying to be like Ronnie, only to overtrain and waist a lot of time and effort.
Pat
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I really hope you guys are kidding about this 2 to 5 hrs a day, 6 days a week. If you're not then you must be out of your mind. The only think you can accomplish by training 2 to 5 hrs a day, 6 days a week (naturally) is to be seriously overtrained. I've been training since I was 9yrs old (no joke) and what I've found over the years and what the literature on the subject is telling us is that putting in that many hours of training in the gym only hinders your progress and it's not needed. As I've gotten older I've realized that if I go in the gym and stay focused and on task I can get in and get out within an hour and accomplish all I needed to. I train one body part a day for 5 days and then take one, sometimes two days off depending on how I feel. Natural bodybuilders can't train as hard and as long as "chemically enhanced" bodybuilders due to the difference in recovery time. One of the main problems with young motivated bodybuilders or should I say wannabe bodybuilders is that they are so motivated and want to get big so bad that they are seriously overtraining. I really hope you guys were being sarcastic and I've waisted my time typing all of this. I'd feel a lot better. You might have some young inexperienced person read this and go spend all day in the gym trying to be like Ronnie, only to overtrain and waist a lot of time and effort.
Pat
But Pat, this is getbig !! If you aren't training 6+ hours per day, you have to be juicing! 8)
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But Pat, this is getbig !! If you aren't training 6+ hours per day, you have to be juicing! 8)
Damn! My bad, I'm still kind of new over here so you'll have to forgive me. Hey, I'm already starting to hate on anyone with a descent build so I can say I'm making some progress. ;D Maybe one day I'll be a true Getbigger!
Pat
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Steroids were created for a reason. They work. Anyone who believes otherwise needs to do their homework and learn more about the subject (like the general public). There is a huge difference between steroid use and steroid abuse.
I find that the morons who cry the blues about AAS and critisize everyone who is bigger/stronger or looks better then them are usually the same morons who can't train and are very jealous of others progress. These guys don't have the genetics for bbdg nor do they have the strength to push. How many times have you seen guys on 500-1000mgs of test alone yet they didn't gain a poundor the look lousy??
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Damn! My bad, I'm still kind of new over here so you'll have to forgive me. Hey, I'm already starting to hate on anyone with a descent build so I can say I'm making some progress. ;D Maybe one day I'll be a true Getbigger!
Pat
Yes. And if you post a pic, it is mandatory to state that it's at least 6 months old and you have "put on 50lbs of lean mass since then..., all natural."
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Yes. And if you post a pic, it is mandatory to state that it's at least 6 months old and you have "put on 50lbs of lean mass since then..., all natural."
Hey, thanks for the lesson. I appreciate you keeping me straight. I guess you got those fiver stars for a reason. lol
Pat
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Hey, thanks for the lesson. I appreciate you keeping me straight. I guess you got those fiver stars for a reason. lol
Pat
Yeah, you can ask around, I'm a pretty big deal... 8)
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Yeah, you can ask around, I'm a pretty big deal... 8)
Well, I for one, am glad to know you. :) Thanks Showstoppa.
Pat
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I really hope you guys are kidding about this 2 to 5 hrs a day, 6 days a week. If you're not then you must be out of your mind. The only thing you can accomplish by training 2 to 5 hrs a day, 6 days a week (naturally) is to be seriously overtrained. I've been training since I was 9yrs old (no joke) and what I've found over the years and what the literature on the subject is telling us is that putting in that many hours of training in the gym only hinders your progress and it's not needed. As I've gotten older I've realized that if I go in the gym and stay focused and on task I can get in and get out within an hour and accomplish all I needed to. I train one body part a day for 5 days and then take one, sometimes two days off depending on how I feel. Natural bodybuilders can't train as hard and as long as "chemically enhanced" bodybuilders due to the difference in recovery time. One of the main problems with young motivated bodybuilders or should I say wannabe bodybuilders is that they are so motivated and want to get big so bad that they are seriously overtraining. I really hope you guys were being sarcastic and I've waisted my time typing all of this. I'd feel a lot better. You might have some young inexperienced person read this and go spend all day in the gym trying to be like Ronnie, only to overtrain and waist a lot of time and effort.
Pat
Although your right, working out hours upon hours a day will over train you but will also build some serious dense muscle...During the Romain Empire, the gladiators were known to train most of the day...And were seen as muscle freaks to the norm/people...
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just go visit someone in prison and youll see dudes lookin like top national bodybuilders walking around,maybe afew have no legs but they have some muscled upper bodies,and they aint doin roids.great genetics combined with hard work will get some people far in bodybuilding,and then there are guys like me who do everything perfect(eat,sleep and train right) plus afew cycles and dont look nothing like them.once you accept it youll be alot better off in your bodybuilding quest,it used to bother me awhile back but i just accepted it and am doin the best with what god gave me
yeah because drugs are so uncommon in prisons
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Simply because all kids nowadays want to train a few minutes a day, a muscular group a week and believe they'll become like bodybuilders with a minimum of efforts.
The only way to build muscle naturally is at least 2-5 hours a day, each muscular group 2 times a week. Like we were doing before 80's
There is no miracle. The less you train, the less you progress...
would like to see what you look like if you do that..
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Although your right, working out hours upon hours a day will over train you but will also build some serious dense muscle...During the Romain Empire, the gladiators were known to train most of the day...And were seen as muscle freaks to the norm/people...
Yeah, you may be right about that but even if you curl a 40oz of Old English long enough its gonna have some effect on your muscles. The key for all of us, I think, is finding out the optimal means of building the best physique possible. I truly believe that in this case less is best. You can still build muscle by overtraining but you can build more muscle by optimal training. (this applies to users and non-users)
Pat
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I really hope you guys are kidding about this 2 to 5 hrs a day, 6 days a week. If you're not then you must be out of your mind. The only thing you can accomplish by training 2 to 5 hrs a day, 6 days a week (naturally) is to be seriously overtrained. I've been training since I was 9yrs old (no joke) and what I've found over the years and what the literature on the subject is telling us is that putting in that many hours of training in the gym only hinders your progress and it's not needed. As I've gotten older I've realized that if I go in the gym and stay focused and on task I can get in and get out within an hour and accomplish all I needed to. I train one body part a day for 5 days and then take one, sometimes two days off depending on how I feel. Natural bodybuilders can't train as hard and as long as "chemically enhanced" bodybuilders due to the difference in recovery time. One of the main problems with young motivated bodybuilders or should I say wannabe bodybuilders is that they are so motivated and want to get big so bad that they are seriously overtraining. I really hope you guys were being sarcastic and I've waisted my time typing all of this. I'd feel a lot better. You might have some young inexperienced person read this and go spend all day in the gym trying to be like Ronnie, only to overtrain and waist a lot of time and effort.
Pat
Amount of time training optimally varies greatly from person to person. Genetics, quality of diet, quality of sleep/ rest are very important determining factors on whether one is overtraining or not...not just amount of time spent in the gym. 4-5 hours total time training per day is not that big of a stretch, if your including cardio or precontest regimine..along the other odds and ends, abs, calves etc. Ive been weight training each bodypart 1.5-2.5 hours per day, 5-6 days per week, going on 10 years now with great results, (as a natural) not counting 20-30 min day for cardio. I avoid overtraining by getting as much quaility rest & food as possible. I cant imagine leaving the gym after 45 minutes or so, when Im just getting warmed up! But thats just me...
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Amount of time training optimally varies greatly from person to person. Genetics, quality of diet, quality of sleep/ rest are very important determining factors on whether one is overtraining or not...not just amount of time spent in the gym. 4-5 hours total time training per day is not that big of a stretch, if your including cardio or precontest regimine..along the other odds and ends, abs, calves etc. Ive been weight training each bodypart 1.5-2.5 hours per day, 5-6 days per week, going on 10 years now with great results, (as a natural) not counting 20-30 min day for cardio. I avoid overtraining by getting as much quaility rest & food as possible. I cant imagine leaving the gym after 45 minutes or so, when Im just getting warmed up! But thats just me...
That's great. Looks like you've found what works for you. I've been hitting one body part a day, 3 to 4 exercise per body part, with 4 or less sets per exercise. (except flat bench because I just like that exercise) I've found that I've been able to maintain my physique with no problems. Not to mention it works perfect with my schedule. Long hours at work and two sons kind of stretches me thin. Right now I'm 5'9, 218 and can fluctuate anywhere between 215 and 225 depending on how I'm eating. Right now my training routine works perfect for my goals. Good to hear what works for you. "Damn, not counting the cardio."?
Pat
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Did anyone notice how the actor who played James Bond looked after the movie? His neck alone looked 2 inches skinnier. Let's face the facts; steroids work. Anyone who has tried a cycle for 6 weeks will attest to the fantastic improvement they have made on the juice. Most if honest will admit that off the juice for three months all the gains go away. I have been in this game long enough to see zeros going to heroes and back again to zeros. You can build a really good physique without juice. It's sad but telling that most won't admit to steroid use because they want all the credit for their temporary steroid build. A physique they couldn't have without the syringe. Have you ever noticed that all the juicers act like they are very knowledgeable about training but once off the juice due to health, finance, or legal problems they have nothing to say because they look like crap.
Jeez!! Next you'll be saying they are addictive to people with Body dysmorphic Disorder.
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There's plenty of clean big dudes. There are. 6.6 billion people on earth, that leave LOTS of genetic freaks, we've all seen them and they're not all juicing.
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There's plenty of clean big dudes. There are. 6.6 billion people on earth, that leave LOTS of genetic freaks, we've all seen them and they're not all juicing.
Very true. Many of them are in the IFBB, just ask them.
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because they are lazy or dont quite have the genetics of the person they are accusing...
... once the person is bigger harder or has better shape than them.. they on steroids...
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... once the person is bigger harder or has better shape than them.. they on steroids...
thats the exact mantra I follow.
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thats the exact mantra I follow.
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Yeah, we can all sit here and talk about each other and how we wrongly accuse someone of being on Steroids or wrongly defend someone who is using. I've been accused so many times that I'm use to it. I'm 40 yrs old and although I'm use to it I still can't say that it doesn't bother me. I use to take it as a compliment and even now sometimes I think I must be doing something right in order to be accused. Even though it happens to me all the time I find myself doing the exact same thing to other people. I don't know why and even without any proof. I see a guy who's packing a little size and think, "I bet he's juicin." I think it may be that using Steroids is so common place now and so many people are doing it that it makes people generalize and accuse anyone with some size, of using roids. Either way, I'm still hittin it as hard as I can and really don't give a damn what someone might think. Obviously, every guy in the world with a descent physique is not on steroids. Accusations without facts don't prove and thing and potentially can damage an innocent persons character and relegate all their hard work to the effects of Steroids alone. Just thought I'd add my 2 cents.
Pat
Couldn't agree more, Pat.
Perfectly said.
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Simply because all kids nowadays want to train a few minutes a day, a muscular group a week and believe they'll become like bodybuilders with a minimum of efforts.
The only way to build muscle naturally is at least 2-5 hours a day, each muscular group 2 times a week. Like we were doing before 80's
There is no miracle. The less you train, the less you progress...
that's too general a statement and dangerous advice!
my own experience: yes, I did so when I started out. at that time I developed the mind/muscle connection as a basis for targeted intensity.
after 2 - 3 years, however, I hit a plateau, as I was chronically overtrained. only when I started to cut back on the frequency of workouts (not the intensity), I started to grow again (we are talking here a few grams of muscle a year - not kilos).
now, as I am 42, I need way, way more recovery time than 20 years ago.
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that's too general a statement and dangerous advice!
my own experience: yes, I did so when I started out. at that time I developed the mind/muscle connection as a basis for targeted intensity.
after 2 - 3 years, however, I hit a plateau, as I was chronically overtrained. only when I started to cut back on the frequency of workouts (not the intensity), I started to grow again (we are talking here a few grams of muscle a year - not kilos).
now, as I am 42, I need way, way more recovery time than 20 years ago.
Makes sense. Age is a big factor too.
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What constitutes a decent physique then?
Sure, there are plenty of well built natural bodies, but I'd show me a natural monster.
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What constitutes a decent physique then?
Sure, there are plenty of well built natural bodies, but I'd show me a natural monster.
Is this dude on the sauce... he's in the 5'7-5'10 range...http://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic_id=486a5c31d3590&date=2008-07-01%2012:32:51&id=753156&pid=7366516&the_count=35 (http://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic_id=486a5c31d3590&date=2008-07-01%2012:32:51&id=753156&pid=7366516&the_count=35)
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Is this dude on the sauce... he's in the 5'7-5'10 range...
What are you trying to tell us? Do you want to get pounded by that big ebony hunk, "Parker?" :-X
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no of them are 'negroes' with quad sweeps that rival pros....
HAHAHAHHA!!!! says the gook tool who craves for Rhinoed cock....
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I don't get it. Anyone with as much muscle as this guy would be declared on getbig as "all drugs". Just so you know, this pic is from 1900.
If someone could look like this 108 years ago, why do so many people think that today we can't (also naturally) achieve even more muscle than him?
This is the favorite excuse of any lazy guy who don't want or can't train like a man.. When he sees a better body than his, he can't accept this fact and believes that this better guy must be using SUPER POWERS.. He never thinks that this better guy may have better genes or may have been training hard for a long time,.. he just doesn't want to believe that any one can be better than him..
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What are you trying to tell us? Do you want to get pounded by that big ebony hunk, "Parker?" :-X
Hell no, Boonstack had said anybody under 7% weighing 190 pounds or more is juicing (5'7-5'10 gym rat range). Dude is listed at 5'10 190....
Now is there some big ebony breasts and a phat ass next to the dude....But you call him a "hunk" ;)
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yeah because drugs are so uncommon in prisons
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i used to bring in bundles of dope and 8balls of powder blow in balloons so trust me i know about drugs in prison,all im saying is that steroids aint the type of drug your gonna find on the big yard like you would find weed,dope or coke.maybe times have changed,i was doing my skid bids back in the mid 80,s so maybe juice is abundant in the joint these days
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Hell no, Boonstack had said anybody under 7% weighing 190 pounds or more is juicing (5'7-5'10 gym rat range). Dude is listed at 5'10 190....
Now is there some big ebony breasts and a phat ass next to the dude....But you call him a "hunk" ;)
Just messing with you stud muffin, don't poop your panties about it. :-\
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Just messing with you stud muffin, don't poop your panties about it. :-\
I'm not...actually this just made me laugh...It's 2:53am and i'm at work...
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I'm not...actually this just made me laugh...It's 2:53am and i'm at work...
Damn, sucks to be you, but I guess you gotta do what you gotta do to "make dat papah," ya smell me?
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From 1897:
(http://www.sandowmuseum.com/montesaldo.jpg)
Ok, this one's actually pretty impressive
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Damn, sucks to be you, but I guess you gotta do what you gotta do to "make dat papah," ya smell me?
Yeah, gotta get tha scrilla for realla, I smell ya, like the drunk I saw who had a $100 dollar bail and couldn't post..."Well your going to jail"...Mofo stunk like a skunk.
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Monte Saldo:
"He held some weight lifting records at the time, as well. His bench press was 230 lbs., One h.j., 200 lbs, and two hand press was 240 lbs."
What the f*ck? That guy only bench pressed 230 lbs? ???
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From 1897:
(http://www.sandowmuseum.com/montesaldo.jpg)
damn. just damn.
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Is this dude on the sauce... he's in the 5'7-5'10 range...
He looks natural.
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Is this dude on the sauce... he's in the 5'7-5'10 range...
Not necessarily.
Good upper body, minimal leg development, but his physique is not over the top.
He has good full muscle bellies and muscle structure, so that even juice wont allow someone to develop that look without those genetics.
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I really hope you guys are kidding about this 2 to 5 hrs a day, 6 days a week. If you're not then you must be out of your mind. The only thing you can accomplish by training 2 to 5 hrs a day, 6 days a week (naturally) is to be seriously overtrained. I've been training since I was 9yrs old (no joke) and what I've found over the years and what the literature on the subject is telling us is that putting in that many hours of training in the gym only hinders your progress and it's not needed. As I've gotten older I've realized that if I go in the gym and stay focused and on task I can get in and get out within an hour and accomplish all I needed to. I train one body part a day for 5 days and then take one, sometimes two days off depending on how I feel. Natural bodybuilders can't train as hard and as long as "chemically enhanced" bodybuilders due to the difference in recovery time. One of the main problems with young motivated bodybuilders or should I say wannabe bodybuilders is that they are so motivated and want to get big so bad that they are seriously overtraining. I really hope you guys were being sarcastic and I've waisted my time typing all of this. I'd feel a lot better. You might have some young inexperienced person read this and go spend all day in the gym trying to be like Ronnie, only to overtrain and waist a lot of time and effort.
Pat
I agree with what you said to e "T". One thing I do though if I'm actually in the gym with someone that is similar size/cuts, or a little bigger than me, is I watch how they train. If they train like a spastic tard without a clue with the intensity of a kitten most likely they are sauced up. If they have intensity and a routine that shows they halfway know what they are doing then I give them the benefit of a doubt.
edit: Obviously you can't do this on the street, but when talking to some people you just KNOW they are sauced up. Dumbasses rely on the stuff for their gains. Very FEW I have noticed truly are genetically gifted.
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I agree with what you said to e "T". One thing I do though if I'm actually in the gym with someone that is similar size/cuts, or a little bigger than me, is I watch how they train. If they train like a spastic tard without a clue with the intensity of a kitten most likely they are sauced up. If they have intensity and a routine that shows they halfway know what they are doing then I give them the benefit of a doubt.
edit: Obviously you can't do this on the street, but when talking to some people you just KNOW they are sauced up. Dumbasses rely on the stuff for their gains. Very FEW I have noticed truly are genetically gifted.
So what youre saying is, if you dont have the look of murder in your eyes, or if you take time to joke around while in the gym, then u have to be on the sauce if you're big??