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California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Monday declared a fiscal emergency, calling for fast legislative action to alleviate the state's $11.2 billion shortfall in revenue.
"Without immediate action our state is headed for a fiscal disaster and that is why with more than two dozen new legislators sworn in today - I am wasting no time in calling a fiscal emergency special session," Schwarzenegger said in a news release.
Under the state's Proposition 58, lawmakers will have 45 days to pass measures on resolving the fiscal crisis, and if at the end of that time they have not, the legislature will not be allowed to adjourn or act on other bills until they do, according to the governor's office.
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They never stopped spending......stop spending, slash projects, slash programs, reduce the Gov. But he'll get a Loan from his Uncle Sam instead.
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If we don't bailout the banks, it'll be a disaster.
If we don't bailout the automakers, it'll be a disaster.
If we don't give California money, it'll be a disaster.
Notice a pattern here?
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They never stopped spending......stop spending, slash projects, slash programs, reduce the Gov. But he'll get a Loan from his Uncle Sam instead.
Number one priority should be stop spending money on illegal mexicans who drain the health care, education, and prison system.
You can literally save billions overnight.
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Number one priority should be stop spending money on illegal mexicans who drain the health care, education, and prison system.
You can literally save billions overnight.
QFT
Californias' budget issues can be completely solved by addressing the wholesale fraud that the illegals are conducting.
It's a lot easiser to get a taxpayer bailout though..... ::)
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QFT
Californias' budget issues can be completely solved by addressing the wholesale fraud that the illegals are conducting.
It's a lot easiser to get a taxpayer bailout though..... ::)
QFT again... :P
It's all part of becoming a "kinder, gentler" nation where anything goes and everybody gets--excuse me, ahem--special interests get whatever they want (or else pitch a hissy fit if they don't) while the people who bear the brunt of the expense, get the royal screw job.
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Number one priority should be stop spending money on illegal mexicans who drain the health care, education, and prison system.
You can literally save billions overnight.
::) I'm not even going to bother to point out the ridiculous and xenphobic nature of your comment, ...but for the sake of argument, let us suppose that is true. Let us suppose that illegals were causing Cali's fiscal crisis. How much better off would other Californians be if they stopped spending money on the prison system? I could just see it now... open the gates of Folsom, and San Quentin and every other penitentiary in the state, let the prisoners walk out. Ya, Cali resisents would be a whole lot better off...NOT! ::)
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I know how Cali is gonna increase their state revenue...but unless you ask me nicely, ...i'm not telling.
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You guys should stop complaining about the illegals and learn Spanish already. ;D
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::) I'm not even going to bother to point out the ridiculous and xenphobic nature of your comment, ...but for the sake of argument, let us suppose that is true. Let us suppose that illegals were causing Cali's fiscal crisis. How much better off would other Californians be if they stopped spending money on the prison system? I could just see it now... open the gates of Folsom, and San Quentin and every other penitentiary in the state, let the prisoners walk out. Ya, Cali resisents would be a whole lot better off...NOT! ::)
You should really get pregnant Judy.
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Number one priority should be stop spending money on illegal mexicans who drain the health care, education, and prison system.
You can literally save billions overnight.
Do you know for a fact that the Mexicans drains the economy, or is that just some assumption you're making?
They're actually filling lots of jobs and doing work hours, adding to the cash flow and the GNP.
I don't know if it's a net profit or loss for the USA though. But perhaps you have the numbers on that?
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Do you know for a fact that the Mexicans drains the economy, or is that just some assumption you're making?
They're actually filling lots of jobs and doing work hours, adding to the cash flow and the GNP.
I don't know if it's a net profit or loss for the USA though. But perhaps you have the numbers on that?
They are adding cash flow to Mexico by sending millions back home through wire companies like Western Union.
They are also taking jobs that citizens need and olny have them because they will work for slave wages and can be easily intimiated by the 21st Century slavemaster employers.
The employers should also be prosecuted for hiring these people.
For you not to see the huge cost to the taxpayer of these people is just blindness on your part.
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They are adding cash flow to Mexico by sending millions back home through wire companies like Western Union.
They are also taking jobs that citizens need and olny have them because they will work for slave wages and can be easily intimiated by the 21st Century slavemaster employers.
The employers should also be prosecuted for hiring these people.
For you not to see the huge cost to the taxpayer of these people is just blindness on your part.
Look,
I'm not saying that there isn't a big cost.
But IMO, it's possible that it may actually be a net profit for the USA to have the illegal Mexicans there. And that may be the reason why not harder measures are taken to get rid of them.
But I don't know. It could be either way.
You're the one claiming that the illegal immigrants causes a loss.
So I am asking you to provide some source for your claim that they are a net cost.
I know that the Bush administration and the Republican Party has been hesistant to do something about the border control because it interfers with freedom of enterprising, and that companies at the border should be allowed to employ Mexicans for lower wages.
It's essentially an extension of the liberal free-trading policy that is dear to the Republican Party and that I also support.
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Look,
I'm not saying that there isn't a big cost.
But IMO, it's possible that it may actually be a net profit for the USA to have the illegal Mexicans there. And that may be the reason why not harder measures are taken to get rid of them.
But I don't know. It could be either way.
You're the one claiming that the illegal immigrants causes a loss.
So I am asking you to provide some source for your claim that they are a net cost.
I know that the Bush administration and the Republican Party has been hesistant to do something about the border control because it interfers with freedom of enterprising, and that companies at the border should be allowed to employ Mexicans for lower wages.
It's essentially an extension of the liberal free-trading policy that is dear to the Republican Party and that I also support.
Just in Califonia alone:
http://www.10news.com/news/9620142/detail.html
http://morganwrites.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/californias-illegal-aliens-cost-taxpayers-nearly-9-billion-a-year/
On a Federal Scale:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
http://www.heritage.org/research/Immigration/sr14.cfm
These people are a fiscal time bomb to the taxpayer.
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They are adding cash flow to Mexico by sending millions back home through wire companies like Western Union.
They are also taking jobs that citizens need and olny have them because they will work for slave wages and can be easily intimiated by the 21st Century slavemaster employers.
The employers should also be prosecuted for hiring these people.
For you not to see the huge cost to the taxpayer of these people is just blindness on your part.
Hmmmmm... which is it? ...and how does a group working for slave wages go about accumulating millions? Duh! ::)
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http://sorrel.humboldt.edu/~economic/econ104/immigrat/
The cost-benefit analysis suggests that the costs ($60 billion) outweigh the benefits ($51 billion) by $9 billion annually. Therefore, current immigration policy is not as efficient as it could be, though the inefficiency is small.
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If we don't bailout the banks, it'll be a disaster.
If we don't bailout the automakers, it'll be a disaster.
If we don't give California money, it'll be a disaster.
Notice a pattern here?
lol exactly
Just bail out every company and administration that has been careless and irresponsible in America, start from scratch, or it will be a disaster.
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http://sorrel.humboldt.edu/~economic/econ104/immigrat/
The cost-benefit analysis suggests that the costs ($60 billion) outweigh the benefits ($51 billion) by $9 billion annually. Therefore, current immigration policy is not as efficient as it could be, though the inefficiency is small.
Thanks!
Finally someone gets what I'm after.
Immigration is potentially big business, most people who immigrate are capable persons, persons with a working capacity.
The receiving country just has to find ways to assimilate them better.
One way is to make sure they speak English.
But that's a whole different discussion.
If there is a current loss, something needs to be done.
If it means closed borders or change in policies towards the immigrants or whatever.
But it seems like a waste of potential.
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There are 50,000 aliens in the Cali prison system....start there, send em home.
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Do you know for a fact that the Mexicans drains the economy, or is that just some assumption you're making?
They're actually filling lots of jobs and doing work hours, adding to the cash flow and the GNP.
I don't know if it's a net profit or loss for the USA though. But perhaps you have the numbers on that?
Illegal Aliens (facts and statistics)
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fisca lexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt 01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01 /ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/ 29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period." http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their coun tries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ". http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml The total cost is a whooping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message, but on the other hand, if it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, then forward it to every friend you have. OK, some of you don't have any friends.
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Good enough Hedge!
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Illegal immigration is a huge issue and costs this country a lot of $. Why do the far lefties refuse to admit this? Refuse to accept the evidence or hear from the boarder mayors and police leaders. Horrible. There have already been studies reported on this but they are largely ignored.
We must make it easier and faster for potentially productive immigrants to enter this country. IMO, we also need to orchestrate some kind of fast track to citizenship for the immigrants that are already here. Make them learn English, pay a fine for breaking our law, pass the normal citizen testing and allow them to be productive workers and taxpayors. Then throw out all illegals with criminal records and throw out the people who don't get on the fast track program. The boarder crimes and gang problems in many boarder cities are largely committed by illegals.
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Look at the stats above.....its ridiculous.
30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens
$3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens
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Illegal immigration is a huge issue and costs this country a lot of $. Why do the far lefties refuse to admit this? Refuse to accept the evidence or hear from the boarder mayors and police leaders. Horrible. There have already been studies reported on this but they are largely ignored.
We must make it easier and faster for potentially productive immigrants to enter this country. IMO, we also need to orchestrate some kind of fast track to citizenship for the immigrants that are already here. Make them learn English, pay a fine for breaking our law, pass the normal citizen testing and allow them to be productive workers and taxpayors. Then throw out all illegals with criminal records and throw out the people who don't get on the fast track program. The boarder crimes and gang problems in many boarder cities are largely committed by illegals.
This is a very simple answer to this question. The far left knows that most of these people are poor and they hope to get them on all sorts of welfare and make them dependent, like blacks, on the democrat party.
This is ALL about votes for democrats.
They want to do with mexicans what they did with blacks.
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This is a very simple answer to this question. The far left knows that most of these people are poor and they hope to get them on all sorts of welfare and make them dependent, like blacks, on the democrat party.
This is ALL about votes for democrats.
They want to do with mexicans what they did with blacks.
That is not true.
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That is not true.
Than why else do they want immediate amnesty for illegal aliens?????????
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Than why else do they want immediate amnesty for illegal aliens?????????
Post a source, I haven't heard that.
The right will always blame the left. But in reality, over the last 28 years the Republicans have been in control of the White House for 20 of those years. And from 2000 to 2006 the Republicans were in control of the White House and Congress for the first time in 20 years. Right now we are seeing the "right wing polices" in place, and look what has happened.
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Post a source, I haven't heard that.
The right will always blame the left. But in reality, over the last 28 years the Republicans have been in control of the White House for 20 of those years. And from 2000 to 2006 the Republicans were in control of the White House and Congress for the first time in 20 years. Right now we are seeing the "right wing polices" in place, and look what has happened.
Again, answer the question -
WHY DOES THE LEFT WANT IMMEDIATE AMNESTY FOR 20 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS????
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Again, answer the question -
WHY DOES THE LEFT WANT IMMEDIATE AMNESTY FOR 20 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS????
Again, post a source.
I can't answer the question without facts to back it up.
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Again, answer the question -
WHY DOES THE LEFT WANT IMMEDIATE AMNESTY FOR 20 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS????
If they do, I think it's probably because those illegal aliens are here working illegal.
If they get amnesty they would start paying taxes, get registrated, get into the system and would not compete with other workers unfairly.
I know unions are usually very critical of immigrants because they undercut the wages and the conditions at companies.
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Illegal Aliens (facts and statistics)
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fisca lexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt 01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01 /ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/ 29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period." http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their coun tries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ". http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml The total cost is a whooping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message, but on the other hand, if it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, then forward it to every friend you have. OK, some of you don't have any friends.
How many billions in tax dollars do these illegals pay? They'll never see a dime of their payroll taxes (soc. sec./medicare).
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If they do, I think it's probably because those illegal aliens are here working illegal.
If they get amnesty they would start paying taxes, get registrated, get into the system and would not compete with other workers unfairly.
I know unions are usually very critical of immigrants because they undercut the wages and the conditions at companies.
You people are so clueless it hurts. These "immigrants" even when "paying" into the system often take out far more between the EITC and the declaring of dependents in other countries.
How do I know this? I deal with contractors, accountants, and businesses every day as part of my business and am told daily how these scams are pulled off.
These people game the system in ways that would make your head spin.
When you factor in the costs of educating their kids, health care, etc, they are a net drain on the country.
Also, how old are you???????
Do you really think Pelosi is going to admit that she wants these 20 million people to get amnesty for votes???? Come on, how dumb can you really be?
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How many billions in tax dollars do these illegals pay? They'll never see a dime of their payroll taxes (soc. sec./medicare).
Pure BS. Most of these people get the EITC and declare dependants in Mexico to bring their tax rate to less than zero. In fact, many of these people get huge checks at the end of the year from these fraudulent accountants who do the taxes.
Ask anyone in the know and they will confirm what I am telling you.
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Pure BS. Most of these people get the EITC and declare dependants in Mexico to bring their tax rate to less than zero. In fact, many of these people get huge checks at the end of the year from these fraudulent accountants who do the taxes.
Ask anyone in the know and they will confirm what I am telling you.
How does any of that affect payroll taxes already paid? It doesn't.
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Hmmmmm... which is it? ...and how does a group working for slave wages go about accumulating millions? Duh! ::)
You can make millions working for slave wages is there are enough of you....
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They'll never see a dime of their payroll taxes (soc. sec./medicare).
Not true.
INVASION USA
Illegal aliens threaten
U.S. medical system
Docs journal reports hospitals being closed, previously vanquished diseases being spread.
Posted: March 13, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
Cristobal Silverio emigrated illegally from Mexico to Stockton, Calif., in 1997 to work as a fruit picker. He brought with him his wife, Felipa, and three children, 19, 12 and 8 – all illegals. When Felipa gave birth to her fourth child, daughter Flor, the family had what is referred to as an "anchor baby" – an American citizen by birth who provided the entire Silverio clan a ticket to remain in the U.S. permanently.
But Flor was born premature, spent three months in the neonatal incubator and cost the San Joaquin Hospital more than $300,000. Meanwhile, oldest daughter Lourdes married an illegal alien gave birth to a daughter, too. Her name is Esmeralda. And Felipa had yet another child, Cristian.
The two Silverio anchor babies generate $1,000 per month in public welfare funding for the family. Flor gets $600 a month for asthma. Healthy Cristian gets $400. While the Silverios earned $18,000 last year picking fruit, they picked up another $12,000 for their two "anchor babies." While President Bush says the U.S. needs more "cheap labor" from south of the border to do jobs Americans aren't willing to do, the case of the Silverios shows there are indeed uncalculated costs involved in the importation of such labor – public support and uninsured medical costs.
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How does any of that affect payroll taxes already paid? It doesn't.
It offsets each other.
Plus, many of these people are lower wage manual labor workers. Guess what that means??????????
They will be on disability and take far more out of the system than most other workers.
Do you really think Jefe is employable as a Mason at 55 y/o????????
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Not true.
INVASION USA
Illegal aliens threaten
U.S. medical system
Docs journal reports hospitals being closed, previously vanquished diseases being spread.
Posted: March 13, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
Cristobal Silverio emigrated illegally from Mexico to Stockton, Calif., in 1997 to work as a fruit picker. He brought with him his wife, Felipa, and three children, 19, 12 and 8 – all illegals. When Felipa gave birth to her fourth child, daughter Flor, the family had what is referred to as an "anchor baby" – an American citizen by birth who provided the entire Silverio clan a ticket to remain in the U.S. permanently.
But Flor was born premature, spent three months in the neonatal incubator and cost the San Joaquin Hospital more than $300,000. Meanwhile, oldest daughter Lourdes married an illegal alien gave birth to a daughter, too. Her name is Esmeralda. And Felipa had yet another child, Cristian.
The two Silverio anchor babies generate $1,000 per month in public welfare funding for the family. Flor gets $600 a month for asthma. Healthy Cristian gets $400. While the Silverios earned $18,000 last year picking fruit, they picked up another $12,000 for their two "anchor babies." While President Bush says the U.S. needs more "cheap labor" from south of the border to do jobs Americans aren't willing to do, the case of the Silverios shows there are indeed uncalculated costs involved in the importation of such labor – public support and uninsured medical costs.
Those "anchor babies" are more like ticking financial time bombs.
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You people are so clueless it hurts. These "immigrants" even when "paying" into the system often take out far more between the EITC and the declaring of dependents in other countries.
How do I know this? I deal with contractors, accountants, and businesses every day as part of my business and am told daily how these scams are pulled off.
These people game the system in ways that would make your head spin.
When you factor in the costs of educating their kids, health care, etc, they are a net drain on the country.
Also, how old are you???????
Do you really think Pelosi is going to admit that she wants these 20 million people to get amnesty for votes???? Come on, how dumb can you really be?
I was looking for a rational explanation.
If that makes me dumb - hey, so be it.
But they won't still be able to vote since they are not going to be US citizens, they're only getting the Green Card, so how is that going to help Pelosi?
I would think that it's a pretty unpopular stance Pelosi is taking. Immigrants aren't really kosher with a whole lot of people.
They often brings problem with them, especially when they have problem assimilate as the Mexicans seems to have in California.
Criminality, poverty and ghetto culture often comes with a high amount of immigrants and a lack of immigration coordination.
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You people are so clueless it hurts. These "immigrants" even when "paying" into the system often take out far more between the EITC and the declaring of dependents in other countries.
How do I know this? I deal with contractors, accountants, and businesses every day as part of my business and am told daily how these scams are pulled off.
These people game the system in ways that would make your head spin.
When you factor in the costs of educating their kids, health care, etc, they are a net drain on the country.
Also, how old are you???????
Do you really think Pelosi is going to admit that she wants these 20 million people to get amnesty for votes???? Come on, how dumb can you really be?
Yes, I have seen first hand this kinda stuff. Every illegal that takes a job will claim 8 dependents, and sometimes actually make up more to get the zero tax rate. I had a 16 year old show up one time asking for a job, and claimed 7 kids on the w-4. Granted, he WAS mexican, but c'mon now...
Illegals pay ALMOST NOTHING in net taxes into the system. For every illegal you see working in the field or on the farm or otherwise laboring, there are half a dozen at least sitting at home or on their way to the WIC office.
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Not true.
INVASION USA
Illegal aliens threaten
U.S. medical system
Docs journal reports hospitals being closed, previously vanquished diseases being spread.
Posted: March 13, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
Cristobal Silverio emigrated illegally from Mexico to Stockton, Calif., in 1997 to work as a fruit picker. He brought with him his wife, Felipa, and three children, 19, 12 and 8 – all illegals. When Felipa gave birth to her fourth child, daughter Flor, the family had what is referred to as an "anchor baby" – an American citizen by birth who provided the entire Silverio clan a ticket to remain in the U.S. permanently.
But Flor was born premature, spent three months in the neonatal incubator and cost the San Joaquin Hospital more than $300,000. Meanwhile, oldest daughter Lourdes married an illegal alien gave birth to a daughter, too. Her name is Esmeralda. And Felipa had yet another child, Cristian.
The two Silverio anchor babies generate $1,000 per month in public welfare funding for the family. Flor gets $600 a month for asthma. Healthy Cristian gets $400. While the Silverios earned $18,000 last year picking fruit, they picked up another $12,000 for their two "anchor babies." While President Bush says the U.S. needs more "cheap labor" from south of the border to do jobs Americans aren't willing to do, the case of the Silverios shows there are indeed uncalculated costs involved in the importation of such labor – public support and uninsured medical costs.
It is true. You're confusing social security (funded by payroll taxes) with AFDIC (welfare not funded by payroll taxes).
[T]he Social Security Administration reports that it holds $420 billion from the earnings of immigrants who are not in a position to claim benefits...
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I was looking for a rational explanation.
If that makes me dumb - hey, so be it.
But they won't still be able to vote since they are not going to be US citizens, they're only getting the Green Card, so how is that going to help Pelosi?
I would think that it's a pretty unpopular stance Pelosi is taking. Immigrants aren't really kosher with a whole lot of people.
They often brings problem with them, especially when they have problem assimilate as the Mexicans seems to have in California.
Criminality, poverty and ghetto culture often comes with a high amount of immigrants and a lack of immigration coordination.
Dont you here Obama and Pelosi keep saying : "Pathway to Citizenship" ???????
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It is true. You're confusing social security (funded by payroll taxes) with AFDIC (welfare not funded by payroll taxes).
[T]he Social Security Administration reports that it holds $420 billion from the earnings of immigrants who are not in a position to claim benefits...
This is true. I believe it is a major reason many in the government won't address the problem.
Not being able to claim SSI is a drawback to using fake SSNs and defrauding others of theirs...
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Yes, I have seen first hand this kinda stuff. Every illegal that takes a job will claim 8 dependents, and sometimes actually make up more to get the zero tax rate. I had a 16 year old show up one time asking for a job, and claimed 7 kids on the w-4. Granted, he WAS mexican, but c'mon now...
Illegals pay ALMOST NOTHING in net taxes into the system. For every illegal you see working in the field or on the farm or otherwise laboring, there are half a dozen at least sitting at home or on their way to the WIC office.
Thank you. Sometimes I feel like I am the only one who sees this garbage going on daily.
These morons who rationalize 20 million invaders in this country are so clueless as to what really goes down.
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It is true. You're confusing social security (funded by payroll taxes) with AFDIC (welfare not funded by payroll taxes).
[T]he Social Security Administration reports that it holds $420 billion from the earnings of immigrants who are not in a position to claim benefits...
I think the point is, it doesn't matter if they pay payroll taxes. They are being supported by the American taxpayer. What's even more fvcked up is American citizens don't even get those kind of Government handouts.
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This is true. I believe it is a major reason many in the government won't address the problem.
Not being able to claim SSI is a drawback to using fake SSNs and defrauding others of theirs...
I think you might have something there. Since the Congress raids the SS trust regularly, that's a dependable source of income.
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I think the point is, it doesn't matter if they pay payroll taxes. They are being supported by the American taxpayer. What's even more fvcked up is American citizens don't even get those kind of Government handouts.
Which tax-payer funded welfare programs benefit illegals and not citizens?
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I think you might have something there. Since the Congress raids the SS trust regularly, that's a dependable source of income.
Its disgusting because of English speaking law abiding taxpayers have to deal with these people everywhere we go.
I'm tired of everywhere I go resembling the UN.
These people need to speak English or GTFO.
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It's actually a cultural thing for mexicans to refuse to learn/speak English.
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It's actually a cultural thing for mexicans to refuse to learn/speak English.
Our forefathers and dead soldiers are rolling in their graves.
These people need to GO HOME!
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Its disgusting because of English speaking law abiding taxpayers have to deal with these people everywhere we go.
I'm tired of everywhere I go resembling the UN.
These people need to speak English or GTFO.
I don't really think about them that much. I do find it selfish that they ghettoize themselves by refusing to learn English.
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I don't really think about them that much. I do find it selfish that they ghettoize themselves by refusing to learn English.
Where I live i dont have that luxury since there are so many of them all over the place.
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There are 50,000 aliens in the Cali prison system....start there, send em home.
give them rifles and send them to iraq :)
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Which taxpayer funded welfare programs benefit illegals and not citizens?
What part of "illegals" do you not understand?
They should not be getting a dime of American taxpayer money. If an American citzen made $18,000 per year with 2 kids they would not qualify for welfare.
When "illegals" get citizenship they still don't pay the same amount of taxes as someone that was born in America.
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Funny Jag whines about our policies yet Canada was smart enough to outlaw anchor babies. And how come Mexico has stiffer immigration laws and alien laws then we do?
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Funny Jag whines about our policies yet Canada was smart enough to outlaw anchor babies. And how come Mexico has stiffer immigration laws and alien laws then we do?
They don't want the competition.
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Funny Jag whines about our policies yet Canada was smart enough to outlaw anchor babies. And how come Mexico has stiffer immigration laws and alien laws then we do?
Because they are not suicidal like we are. All sane people know that importing millions of low skill laborers is a recipe for disaster.
As Michael Savage says - "Liberalism is a mental disorder."
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What part of "illegals" do you not understand?
They should not be getting a dime of American taxpayer money. If an American citzen made $18,000 per year with 2 kids they would not qualify for welfare.
When "illegals" get citizenship they still don't pay the same amount of taxes as someone that was born in America.
They are paying taxes just like you and me b/c they have a US based source of income. They don't get the benefit of Soc Sec. payments, which is quite substantial and they get some welfare.
It doesn't matter that much to me. I don't see it as a pressing problem considering what's happening today with the economy and Iraq.
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They are paying taxes just like you and me b/c they have a US based source of income. They don't get the benefit of Soc Sec. payments, which is quite substantial and they get some welfare.
It doesn't matter that much to me. I don't see it as a pressing problem considering what's happening today with the economy and Iraq.
Illegals are a part of the problem. ;)
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They are paying taxes just like you and me b/c they have a US based source of income. They don't get the benefit of Soc Sec. payments, which is quite substantial and they get some welfare.
It doesn't matter that much to me. I don't see it as a pressing problem considering what's happening today with the economy and Iraq.
If they were lined up and down your streets like in Yonkers, New Rochelle, or your own neighborhood you would feel different about it.
If you had to go the emergency room in an area where these people flood the system and get in line BEHIND these people you would change your tune real fast.
Because you dont live in an area where these people are causing major problems does not mean it does not exist at a large scale.
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If they were lined up and down your streets like in Yonkers, New Rochelle, or your own neighborhood you would feel different about it.
If you had to go the emergency room in an area where these people flood the system and get in line BEHIND these people you would change your tune real fast.
Because you dont live in an area where these people are causing major problems does not mean it does not exist at a large scale.
I see the enclaves of mexicans in Milwaukee when I'm down there. Up here in Green Bay, I don't see it.
I lived in Chicago for about 5 years in a couple neighborhoods you would likely find objectionable.
It's not a big concern to me. I don't really care.
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The stats I have seen show illegals to be a clear drain on the economy. Also, southern california is a complete mess with mexican gangs, a very large % of whom are illegal immigrants.
Its not just about the $, illegals also change the culture and makeup of America negatively as many of them do not have the best values, great work ethic, respect for our laws, traditions and education.
Let the immigrants who want to be productive in on a fast-track to citizenship. Welcome them! Force the others to leave. We must protect our boarders, it is the law and needs to be enforced. A country without boarders will spiral downward.
Its not just the democrats who support illegal immigration (or choose to do nothing about it), its greedy business owners who pay less for labor.
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I see the enclaves of mexicans in Milwaukee when I'm down there. Up here in Green Bay, I don't see it.
I lived in Chicago for about 5 years in a couple neighborhoods you would likely find objectionable.
It's not a big concern to me. I don't really care.
You live in a lilly white bred area. I live in the Bronx, N.Y. and see these garbage every day everywhere.
Were you to live where I do, you would not say the things you do. The closer you get to the problem the easier it is to see the negative impact of these illegal aliens hoarding the USA actually are.
However, these people are like a plague that is spreading. You think it does not impact you, but it will sooner than you think.
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I always love it when I see some pro-illegal bumper sticker on some car.... that has a New Hampshire or Canadian or whatever license plate.
Come live in Cali for a year and let's check you viewpoint then.
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You live in a lilly white bred area. I live in the Bronx, N.Y. and see these garbage every day everywhere.
Were you to live where I do, you would not say the things you do. The closer you get to the problem the easier it is to see the negative impact of these illegal aliens hoarding the USA actually are.
However, these people are like a plague that is spreading. You think it does not impact you, but it will sooner than you think.
I'll see your Bronx and raise you the south side of Chicago. Your ivory tower insinuation is crumbling.
I think the immigration problem is overblown by windbags like Lou Dobbs and other 'concerned' commentators.
It's not that big of a deal.
In fact, it's pretty insignificant.
I think it's a wedge issue with political legs geared towards a certain segment of our society.
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I guess illegals murdering more people since 9/11 than died on 9/11 itself is no big deal to you.
Between gang murders, dwi deaths, sexual assaults, they are a growing plague on this country, 25 million strong and growing.
Si se Puede!
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Deport all the illegal aliens, don't bailout the auto industry and let the people who will lose their jobs fill in for the alines that were deported, 2 problems solved ;D
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I guess illegals murdering more people since 9/11 than died on 9/11 itself is no big deal to you.
Between gang murders, dwi deaths, sexual assaults, they are a growing plague on this country, 25 million strong and growing.
Si se Puede!
In the local newspaper, 4 out of 5 arrests involve illegals.
Usual charges:
1. DWI
2. Drive w/o a license
3. Sexual assault (usually on a minor)
4. Aggrivated assault
5. Drugs (Meth is favorite flavor these days)
6. Burglary
7. Petty theft
8. Identity Fraud
9. Public Intox
10. Corporal injury on spouse/cohabitant
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I always love it when I see some pro-illegal bumper sticker on some car.... that has a New Hampshire or Canadian or whatever license plate.
Come live in Cali for a year and let's check you viewpoint then.
A Pro-illegal bumper sticker? ...on a Canadian license plate? ??? {rotflmao} You're hilarious! ::)
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If we don't bailout the banks, it'll be a disaster.
If we don't bailout the automakers, it'll be a disaster.
If we don't give California money, it'll be a disaster.
Notice a pattern here?
Maybe they should be bailed out - BUT all the top people should then be sacked and definitely no golden parachutes.
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A Pro-illegal bumper sticker? ...on a Canadian license plate? ??? {rotflmao} You're hilarious! ::)
No offense intended Jag... but yes, I have seen it numerous times.
Mostly on BC licenses, but that's the closest Canada to where I live.
My favorite, "No human being is illegal"
wtf? lol....
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No offense intended Jag... but yes, I have seen it numerous times.
Mostly on BC licenses, but that's the closest Canada to where I live.
My favorite, "No human being is illegal"
wtf? lol....
That's the most hippie saying I ever heard! Might as well go overboard with freedom and say that no action is illegal and we all can loot and kill because we were all born free human beings ::)
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I love it how Schwarzenegger now wants help from the federal government.
It's just a fundamental lack of fiscal responsibility.
When the economy were running fine a few years ago, the states had the chance to raise taxes to avoid the economy from overheating and also to run a surplus to build a healthy buffert to use when a recession would come.
But nooooooo.
Macro economic principles went out the door and being populist was the shit.
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Deport all the illegal aliens, don't bailout the auto industry and let the people who will lose their jobs fill in for the alines that were deported, 2 problems solved ;D
I had the same argument with the apologists and morons about this a few years ago. I simply asked what these illegals were going to do when the housing market turned down.
Again - no answer from the illegal alien apologists.
Now we have literally millions of people who need these jobs and have to compete with third world people willing to work for slave wages and live on the floor in a room with 25 others.
What a disaster.
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That's the most hippie saying I ever heard! Might as well go overboard with freedom and say that no action is illegal and we all can loot and kill because we were all born free human beings ::)
Someon e should pack up their stuff and go squat on those peoples' property with a shit that says the same thing.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
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I guess illegals murdering more people since 9/11 than died on 9/11 itself is no big deal to you.
Between gang murders, dwi deaths, sexual assaults, they are a growing plague on this country, 25 million strong and growing.
Si se Puede!
I see no support for your contention. Again, I say that the illegal immigration problem is overblown and overstated to elicit the kind of response in your post. Economically, II are not a big deal. Crime? I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if that's also being exaggerated.
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Someon e should pack up their stuff and go squat on those peoples' property with a shit that says the same thing.
Liberalism Ideology is a mental disorder.
Fixed.
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I see no support for your contention. Again, I say that the illegal immigration problem is overblown and overstated to elicit the kind of response in your post. Economically, II are not a big deal. Crime? I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if that's also being exaggerated.
Someone already provided you with the stats regarding illegal aliens crimes.
They have collectively killed more US citizens since 9/11 than were killed in 9/11 itself.
I will send you the links later.
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I see no support for your contention. Again, I say that the illegal immigration problem is overblown and overstated to elicit the kind of response in your post. Economically, II are not a big deal. Crime? I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if that's also being exaggerated.
You must be Hispanic? :-\
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Decker, I respectfully disagree.
First, illegals violated the our law. Now, if it is shown that illegals are a drain on the economy (even a relatively small drain) and they cause disproportional #s of crime, thats 3 strikes man! I don't understand why many people just disregard these facts and dismiss the issue all together. Its gotta be about money somewhere. The national media definitely avoids stories on illegals commiting crimes that we hear from the local boarder governments. Its scary actually.
Again, I am all for a fast track to citizenship with penalty for illegals without a criminal history. Is it fair? No, but there are too many to deport and a part of me wants to give them an opportunity. All for productive immigrants coming to this country and speeding up to process to citizenship, but if we let everyone in, ignore our laws, our nation will continue to slip and continue to change, now from within.
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Decker, I respectfully disagree.
First, illegals violated the our law. Now, if it is shown that illegals are a drain on the economy (even a relatively small drain) and they cause disproportional #s of crime, thats 3 strikes man! I don't understand why many people just disregard these facts and dismiss the issue all together. Its gotta be about money somewhere. The national media definitely avoids stories on illegals commiting crimes that we hear from the local boarder governments. Its scary actually.
Again, I am all for a fast track to citizenship with penalty for illegals without a criminal history. Is it fair? No, but there are too many to deport and a part of me wants to give them an opportunity. All for productive immigrants coming to this country and speeding up to process to citizenship, but if we let everyone in, ignore our laws, our nation will continue to slip and continue to change, now from within.
The political and social left in this country refuses to allow for the regulation of people in any way, shape or form. They would let 99 criminals and welfare leaches in to avoid denying that one 'good one' anything.
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The political and social left in this country refuses to allow for the regulation of people in any way, shape or form. They would let 99 criminals and welfare leaches in to avoid denying that one 'good one' anything.
They sure want to allow for the regulation of gun ownership on us citizens!
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But the greedy business owners that use illegals also don't want anything done.
Then many politicians are worried they will piss off Hispanic voters. Actually, if we threw out all the criminals and had a fast track plan for those that wanted to stay and be productive citizens, I think many hispanic americans would appreciate it. There are a lot of hard working Hispanic people...but there are also a lot of low-lifes that cross the boarder. We must separate them IMO!
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They sure want to allow for the regulation of gun ownership on us citizens!
Yes, they want to regulate the guns, not the gang bangers or other social trash that uses them for crime.
Libs refuse to allow for the regulation of PEOPLE. That's why they continually go after guns, personal capital, respectible personal freedoms, etc.
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Yes, they want to regulate the guns, not the gang bangers or other social trash that uses them for crime.
Libs refuse to allow for the regulation of PEOPLE. That's why they continually go after guns, personal capital, respectible personal freedoms, etc.
Of course... to hold a human being accountable for their actions without pointing the finger of blame at someone/something else, might damage the criminal's fragile self-esteem. And as that bumper sticker said, "no human being is illegal." And don't you ever forget it!!!
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Of course... to hold a human being accountable for their actions without pointing the finger of blame at someone/something else, might damage the criminal's fragile self-esteem. And as that bumper sticker said, "no human being is illegal." And don't you ever forget it!!!
Funny you mention that. We have some moron lib pol already calling for a law against Box Stores running big sales in NYS in response to the Walmart stampede.
They refuse to put the blame where it squarely lies, the savages and animals who broke down the door in the first place.
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The political and social left in this country refuses to allow for the regulation of people in any way, shape or form. They would let 99 criminals and welfare leaches in to avoid denying that one 'good one' anything.
That's bullshit. ::)
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dude.. why dont bill gates and the waltons just chip in and give california some money...i mean...what the fuck...
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dude.. why dont bill gates and the waltons just chip in and give california some money...i mean...what the fuck...
Until the government learns to live within its means, people should not be bailing them out.
The Gates were to do that, they would piss the money away and come back a few mohths later with their hands out.
Spending needs to be cut across the board and free loaders told to shape up or ship out.
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dude.. why dont bill gates and the waltons just chip in and give california some money...i mean...what the fuck...
Who?
:P
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That's bullshit. ::)
Care to elaborate?
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Who?
:P
those walmart fucks
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Care to elaborate?
The Republicans have been in control over the last 8 years and have done absolutely nothing about the problem. You can't blame the Dems.
What has happened to you "new" right wingers? Get off of the right wing propaganda websites and open your eyes.
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What about my statement was incorrect? You still haven't addressed the content.
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What about my statement was incorrect? You still haven't addressed the content.
You said...
The political and social left in this country refuses to allow for the regulation of people in any way, shape or form.
That is bullshit. Over the last eight years the "left" haven't been in control.
It's the "right" that has ignored the problem.
Get your facts straight.
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Until the government learns to live within its means, people should not be bailing them out.
The Gates were to do that, they would piss the money away and come back a few mohths later with their hands out.
Spending needs to be cut across the board and free loaders told to shape up or ship out.
I've been saying for years... you can "redistribute the wealth" from now till doomsday... sooner or later, GUESS WHAT... It will end up more or less right back where it is. You can bet your ass on that. There are good reasons why the majority of the rich are rich and the poor are poor and shmucks like me are somewhere in between. Same for the gov't... deal with the underlying problems, don't just throw money at them.
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I've been saying for years... you can "redistribute the wealth" from now till doomsday... sooner or later, GUESS WHAT... It will end up more or less right back where it is. You can bet your ass on that. There are good reasons why the majority of the rich are rich and the poor are poor and shmucks like me are somewhere in between. Same for the gov't... deal with the underlying problems, don't just throw money at them.
What you and 3333... are not seeing is that these business failures are failures of capitalism.
This is why the US has egg on its face today.
Here we go to the trouble of destroying Iraq to install a Milton Friedman capitalist laissez faire economy and our own economy backbites us by failing.
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What you and 3333... are not seeing is that these business failures are failures of capitalism.
This is why the US has egg on its face today.
Here we go to the trouble of destroying Iraq to install a Milton Friedman capitalist laissez faire economy and our own economy backbites us by failing.
We dont have laizee faire system. There are hundreds of thousands of pages of regulations called the Federal Register and CFR.
If you think capitilism does not work, than what does since Europe has a higher unemployment rate than we do???????
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You said...
That is bullshit. Over the last eight years the "left" haven't been in control.
It's the "right" that has ignored the problem.
Get your facts straight.
How can the 'right' do anything when the Democratic congress and house block every damn thing they try to get passed?
If they aren't in control, they sure do their damnest to prevent any progress from happening....
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How can the 'right' do anything when the Democratic congress and house block every damn thing they try to get passed?
If they aren't in control, they sure do their damnest to prevent any progress from happening....
Do some research on which party controlled the White House and Congress from 2000 to 2006. ;)
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Do some research on which party controlled the White House and Congress from 2000 to 2006. ;)
The problems we are facing stem from far further back than 2000.
The government has grown Way to laerge and many companies have taken on far more than they can chew.
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We dont have laizee faire system. There are hundreds of thousands of pages of regulations called the Federal Register and CFR.
If you think capitilism does not work, than what does since Europe has a higher unemployment rate than we do???????
That's our pretense. Our brand of Capitalism works. Minimize gov. intervention and let the markets perform. That's a Friedman staple.
Markets fail and are not reliable. That's pretty evident now isn't it? We can't trust markets to do the right thing. That's our lesson. That's a contradiction of Freidman and other free marketeers. Seems like gov. intervention is NECESSARY to keep our economic boat afloat.
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That's our pretense. Our brand of Capitalism works. Minimize gov. intervention and let the markets perform. That's a Friedman staple.
Markets fail and are not reliable. That's pretty evident now isn't it? We can't trust markets to do the right thing. That's our lesson. That's a contradiction of Freidman and other free marketeers. Seems like gov. intervention is NECESSARY to keep our economic boat afloat.
So who do we trust???
The govt that screwed up Katrina?
The govt that cant manage to deal with 22 million illegal aliens?
The federal reserve board which is at the root cause of a lot of these problems?
The govt that cant be trusted not to raid ss trust funds?
The govt that could not stop 9/11?
Is that who you trust to end the business cycle?????
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So who do we trust???
The govt that screwed up Katrina?
The govt that cant manage to deal with 22 million illegal aliens?
The federal reserve board which is at the root cause of a lot of these problems?
The govt that cant be trusted not to raid ss trust funds?
The govt that could not stop 9/11?
Is that who you trust to end the business cycle?????
I don't trust anyone outside of a few. The gov does not control the business cycle but it can ameliorate the situations of businesses/people hit by a downturn.
Since the US/fed adopted Keynesian gov. spending as a tool to combat economic downturns, the US has not had a single Depression.
That seems like a pretty reliable gov. service, doesn't it.
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I don't trust anyone outside of a few. The gov does not control the business cycle but it can ameliorate the situations of businesses/people hit by a downturn.
Since the US/fed adopted Keynesian gov. spending as a tool to combat economic downturns, the US has not had a single Depression.
That seems like a pretty reliable gov. service, doesn't it.
So what are you complaining about?????
GWB has spent more money on all sorts of programs than even LBJ.
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Thats exactly why the gov shouldn't be managing more of our money! Gov is inefficient and wasteful.
Cut spending!
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So what are you complaining about?????
GWB has spent more money on all sorts of programs than even LBJ.
I'm not talking about non-stimulus spending. I'm talking about calculated spending measures designed to keep our capitalistic system afloat. Without that gov. intervention, we have depressions.
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I'm not talking about non-stimulus spending. I'm talking about calculated spending measures designed to keep our capitalistic system afloat. Without that gov. intervention, we have depressions.
Like what?
Prescription Drug bill, Farm Bill, Energy Bill, etc etc.
He has spent more money than any other president on this nonsen se and we went broke anyway.
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Like what?
Prescription Drug bill, Farm Bill, Energy Bill, etc etc.
He has spent more money than any other president on this nonsen se and we went broke anyway.
Expanding the money supply....printing more money thereby putting more money "out there". People tend to hoard money in hard times. Gov. spending too--that's why economies boom in times of war--all the gov. spending pouring into the economy.
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Printing more money? Isn't this part of the reason the dollar fell in value so much last year?
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Printing more money? Isn't this part of the reason the dollar fell in value so much last year?
Maybe. Or maybe the problem could be tied to runaway profiteering as embodied in the housing/mortgage/credit scandal.
I don't know for sure.
Maybe if we looked at historical evidence, we could make some sort of relevant conclusion on the matter.
I have lunch now and I can't think properly when I'm hungry. (that's like all the time hahaa)
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haha. Yes, you must eat...this is a bodybuilding board after all.