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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The GodFather on January 10, 2009, 04:38:01 PM
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As Chick says yes but they only have it for looks.Is this right???Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.Can Pros use any Drugs they want without the chance of ever being TESTED??
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for fuccks sake man just let it die already, this shit is getting ponderous. ::)
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It's a simple question.Why have the Rule in the Book if it means NOTHING and everybody is Laughing at the IFBB. :-\
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It's a simple question.Why have the Rule in the Book if it means NOTHING and everybody is Laughing at the IFBB. :-\
there's drug use IN EVERY MAJOR SPORT man and there's a "rule book" for them as well. ::)
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It's a simple question.Why have the Rule in the Book if it means NOTHING and everybody is Laughing at the IFBB. :-\
I would assume that its just there to try to keep the IFBB out of legal trouble.
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there's drug use IN EVERY MAJOR SPORT man and there's a "rule book" for them as well. ::)
I hate it when people say that...such a load of BS. Other sports actually try to enforce their drug policy whereas the IFBB just totally ignores it. I bet there is less than 1% of major league guys juicing right now...compared to 100% of the IFBB.
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Am not disputing that Dude just asking the question.We here at Getbig have amongst us not only an IFBB Pro Masters World Champion but also an IFBB Rep now this is the sort of person who has all the inside information for kids out there that want to become an IFBB Pro and are thinking are Drugs banned and should I use them or will I get caught???Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmm
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I hate it when people say that...such a load of BS. Other sports actually try to enforce their drug policy whereas the IFBB just totally ignores it. I bet there is less than 1% of major league guys juicing right now...compared to 100% of the IFBB.
if that helps you sleep at night
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There is a rule which is not enforced ;D
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I hate it when people say that...such a load of BS. Other sports actually try to enforce their drug policy whereas the IFBB just totally ignores it. I bet there is less than 1% of major league guys juicing right now...compared to 100% of the IFBB.
LOL....let me guess...your 15 years old?
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There is a rule which is not enforced ;D
Unless one morning some Prick wakes up and says Fuk it I don't like this Pro test him and if the Fukka fails BURN him just like they tried to do to Jay years ago.Was there something???Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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When the Athlete's rep is a former drug addict it doesn't say much for the sport :-\
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if that helps you sleep at night
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Anyone who juices in MLB now is an idiot bc they will get caught; minor leagues is another story. I love how bodybuilders and people on getbig always assume that everyone else is juicing too.
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Here is a better question can anyone type here one other Pro Athlete in the World from any sport other than BB who types their Drug Program on a public site Just one. :-\
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When the Athlete's rep is a former drug addict it doesn't say much for the sport :-\
Former?
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I hate it when people say that...such a load of BS. Other sports actually try to enforce their drug policy whereas the IFBB just totally ignores it. I bet there is less than 1% of major league guys juicing right now...compared to 100% of the IFBB.
I've got a good one too.
A pair of jumper leads and a bra walk into a bar.
The bra walks up to order a drink and the bartender says 'I'm not serving you'
'Why not'
'You're off your tits and that guy looks like he's about to start something.'
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I hate it when people say that...such a load of BS. Other sports actually try to enforce their drug policy whereas the IFBB just totally ignores it. I bet there is less than 1% of major league guys juicing right now...compared to 100% of the IFBB.
;D
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Here is a better question can anyone type here one other Pro Athlete in the World from any sport other than BB who types their Drug Program on a public site Just one. :-\
there isn't one who would do that...
...but remember bodybuilding doesn't really involve "pro athletes" and you know that Lee.
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LOL....let me guess...your 15 years old?
Are you disputing that 1% of MLB is juicing or that 100% of the IFBB is? Regardless of whether or not the 1% is an exxageration to prove a point, you still have to admit that percentage-wise, no other sport/hobby comes close to bodybuilding. You also cannot dispute that no other organization (with the possible exception of NASCAR, golf, etc where it's not a major concern) does less than the IFBB to try to regulate their drug policy. So yeah, 1% is probably too low...but that wasn't my point.
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LOL....let me guess...your 15 years old?
Chick Great comeback.Did Marion Jones know any of your mates like Conte???She looks at her Illegal Drug use a little Different these days.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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MLB said of 1,438 anonymous tests during the 2003 season, between 5% and 7% were positive. I will assume that this is much lower than the actual number of players of juiced during the season...I'll go ahead and say 40%. David wells was also quoted as saying "25 to 40 percent of all Major Leaguers are juiced". However, with all the scrutiny and testing going on now, I would say its at about 5% - 10% (not including growth hormone). Now imagine if you randomly sampled IFBB pros. I am guessing that probaby 65% - 75% would fail...that is compared to 5% to 7% in baseball near the height of the steriod era. Also, the average IFBB guy is taking much larger doses. So I'm not saying that it still doesn't happen in other sports, but to try to compare the IFBB to MLB, NFL, etc. in terms of drug usage is ridiculous.
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The ball's in your court Chick...
People would like to know why the IFBB does nothing about drug usage when it is not only against IFBB policy but it is illegal. Obviously it is not your decision in regards to what the IFBB does in relation to their drug policy, but you represent the IFBB, indirectly, by being the athlete's representative.
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The ball's in your court Chick...
People would like to know why the IFBB does nothing about drug usage when it is not only against IFBB policy but it is illegal
Why should they?
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The ball's in your court Chick...
People would like to know why the IFBB does nothing about drug usage when it is not only against IFBB policy but it is illegal
If the IFBB did do something about drug use then another federation could attract the premier bodybuilders easily with no testing.
Making the IFBB redundant.
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Why should they?
Why should the IFBB enforce a drug policy that is reflective of the laws of the countries in which they operate in? Because it is their civic duty as a business to do so. If any company expects that a large percentage of their employees or contractors working on their behalf are using illegal drugs, then that company has a duty to address that issue.
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If the IFBB did do something about drug use then another federation could attract the premier bodybuilders easily with no testing.
Making the IFBB redundant.
I know why they don't test. But that doesn't mean that it is right or that their position should be defended. MLB would be a lot more interesting if everybody hit 70 homeruns a year too.
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Why should the IFBB enforce a drug policy that is relective of the laws of the countries in which they operate in? Because it is their civic duty as a business to do so. If any company expects that a large percentage of their employees or contractors working on their behalf are using illegal drugs, then that company has a duty to address that issue.
Got news for you bro.....the overwhelming percentage of people using illegal drugs, belongs to the working class...you think their employers dont know?
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It's a simple question.Why have the Rule in the Book if it means NOTHING and everybody is Laughing at the IFBB. :-\
is pandafat your sister?
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I think more people should follow Chick's lead of epic cradle to grave juicing.
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Does the IFBB have a Drug Rule???
Yes. The IFBB's rule is take a many types of performance enhancing drugs as you want. As long as you can get freaky big, they don't give a shit how you accomplish it.
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Got news for you bro.....the overwhelming percentage of people using illegal drugs, belongs to the working class...you think their employers dont know?
First of all, a large number of companies do drug test when someone first gets hired. Granted, I understand that these tests are not very effective as the person usually knows about it far in advance. However, to my knowledge, this is still more than the IFBB does. Also, most companies drug test if some kind of an accident happens in the workplace...just to rule out the possibility of drugs being at fault. In addition, if an employee or contractor is using drugs, it is going to be very hard for a company to have any substantial proof in most cases. However, in the IFBB, the very nature of the sport/hobby and progression of the athletes, in and of itself, lends to strong suspicion that drug use is occuring. Furthermore, the majority of drug use by the working class is marijuana, which is a Schedule I drug; anabolic steroids are a Schedule III drug, so it is a different situation on those merits alone. Finally, I don't know many companies where close to 100% of the workforce uses Schedule III drugs on a regular basis.
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Got news for you bro.....the overwhelming percentage of people using illegal drugs, belongs to the working class...you think their employers dont know?
Haha exactly. I work in the entertainment industry. If they drug tested people in this industry there wouldn't be anyone left making movies.
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First of all, a large number of companies do drug test when someone first gets hired. Granted, I understand that these tests are not very effective as the person usually knows about it far in advance. However, to my knowledge, this is still more than the IFBB does. Also, most companies drug test if some kind of an accident happens in the workplace...just to rule out the possibility of drugs being at fault. In addition, if an employee or contractor is using drugs, it is going to be very hard for a company to have any substantial proof in most cases. However, in the IFBB, the very nature of the sport/hobby and progression of the athletes, in and of itself, lends to strong suspicion that drug use is occuring. Furthermore, the majority of drug use by the working class is marijuana, which is a Schedule I drug; anabolic steroids are a Schedule III drug, so it is a different situation on those merits alone. Finally, I don't know many companies where close to 100% of the workforce uses Schedule III drugs on a regular basis.
The IFBB doesnt "hire" anybody, nor are the athletes "employees"....it's a club, a federation.
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Got news for you bro.....the overwhelming percentage of people using illegal drugs, belongs to the working class...you think their employers dont know?
Does that make it right Genius??? Now Scram.I have No Fukin Idea why you think having a Drug Rule is such a Laugh hahahahahahaha all the Pros are laughing their way to Hospital.
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The IFBB doesnt "hire" anybody, nor are the athletes "employees"....it's a club, a federation.
OMG I know you have never had an IFBB CONTRACT BUT FFS IFBB Contract is Paying for the services of Pros.GENIUS now Scram.
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Does that make it right Genius??? Now Scram.I have No Fukin Idea why you think having a Drug Rule is such a Laugh hahahahahahaha all the Pros are laughing their way to Hospital.
r u a nurse?
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The IFBB doesnt "hire" anybody, nor are the athletes "employees"....it's a club, a federation.
They are independent contractors working on behalf of the company and are directly compensated by the company (prize money). The company benefits from their involvement as their primary source of revenue, and therefore, the same level of civic duty applies as if they were actual employees. Also, the IFBB has an additional responsibility above the average company in the fact that their "representatives" are looked up to by many young kids. This is the primary reason that Congress got involved with the MLB's steriod problem. Someone using drugs that is on the cover of a nationally publicized magazine promoting "good health" is not the same as Chuck the janitor smoking a few blunts on his lunch break.
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Are you Brain Dead Please Don't tell me Mike Morris, Luke Wood and many many many Other IFBB Pros have NO Fukin health problems from DRUG USE.CLOWN.FFS :-\
r u a nurse?
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Does that make it right Genius??? Now Scram.I have No Fukin Idea why you think having a Drug Rule is such a Laugh hahahahahahaha all the Pros are laughing their way to Hospital.
Exactly. I was just about to say the same thing. As a representative (albeit indirectly) for an organization, I don't believe it is a good idea to defend that organization's policy based on the shortcomings that you percieve in other organizations. Are you sure you're not the 15 year old Chick?
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I hate it when people say that...such a load of BS. Other sports actually try to enforce their drug policy whereas the IFBB just totally ignores it.
can't compare athletes/sports to oiled up junkies in thongs.
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can't compare athletes/sports to oiled up men in thongs.
True. That is why I tried to use the term "sport/hobby" in the rest of my posts. Regardless, the status of bodybuilding as a sport is not the issue here.
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Chicks Best Friend Tommie Boy Prince is one Perfect example of Drug use Gone Bad.Take a LOOK at his Drug use typed in a Public forum and ask yourself is he real smart.FFS :-\
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I know it would never happen because the IFBB is too small...but if they were ever brought before Congress and questioned regarding their steriod policy and enforcement, it would be very comical. I can almost assure you that the IFBB would be found negligent for their lack of testing.
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They are independent contractors working on behalf of the company and are directly compensated by the company (prize money). The company benefits from their involvement as their primary source of revenue, and therefore, the same level of civic duty applies as if they were actual employees. Also, the IFBB has an additional responsibility above the average company in the fact that their "representatives" are looked up to by many young kids. This is the primary reason that Congress got involved with the MLB's steriod problem. Someone using drugs that is on the cover of a nationally publicized magazine promoting "good health" is not the same as Chuck the janitor smoking a few blunts on his lunch break.
Actually...youre wrong.
The IFBB is a non profit company...prize money is supplied by the promoter, not the IFBB....that said...the athletes are actually part of the Pro League, which is part of the IFBB...only amateurs are actually IN the IFBB....who are tested.
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After the 1st Congress question was answered they would Rule the IFBB consists of extremely Low IQ competitors and therefore should be known as Retard Town.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :-\
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I know it would never happen because the IFBB is too small...but if they were ever brought before Congress and questioned regarding their steriod policy and enforcement, it would be very comical. I can almost assure you that the IFBB would be found negligent for their lack of testing.
Guess it would have to be brought before the Canadian congress, as it's not a US based federation...
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I know it would never happen because the IFBB is too small...but if they were ever brought before Congress and questioned regarding their steriod policy and enforcement, it would be very comical. I can almost assure you that the IFBB would be found negligent for their lack of testing.
I wonder what it would take for Congress to get involved? Maybe if attendance at bodybuilding shows were to double (from 150 spectators to 300) then Congress would deem it in the public interest to hold an inquiry.
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Actually...youre wrong.
The IFBB is a non profit company...prize money is supplied by the promoter, not the IFBB....that said...the athletes are actually part of the Pro League, which is part of the IFBB...only amateurs are actually IN the IFBB....who are tested.
Excuse Excuse Excuse FFS READ THE FUKIN RULE BOOK for IFBB Pros it has a Drug Rule for the Pro League.Now Scram Genius.
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Guess it would have to be brought before the Canadian congress, as it's not a US based federation...
Yet as you say all Pros Health Insurance is only for Americans.Keep Digging Chick you sound like you might be on that Non IFBB Payment system as they are a NON FUKIN PROFIT ORG.GENIUS.
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Guess it would have to be brought before the Canadian congress, as it's not a US based federation...
Doesn't matter where it is incorporated...as long as it does business within the US. Just because a company is incorporated in Delaware, that doesn't mean it can't be sued in Arizona, etc. The same laws generally apply with Canada to US business relations. Regardless, steroids are still illegal in Canada.
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Did the questions start to get hard Chick??? your absence has been NOTED.hMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
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Doesn't matter where it is incorporated...as long as it does business within the US. Just because a company is incorporated in Delaware, that doesn't mean it can't be sued in Arizona, etc. The same laws generally apply with Canada to US business relations. Regardless, steroids are still illegal in Canada.
congress will NEVER investigate the IFBB because it is a private club
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Doesn't matter where it is incorporated...as long as it does business within the US. Just because a company is incorporated in Delaware, that doesn't mean it can't be sued in Arizona, etc. The same laws generally apply with Canada to US business relations. Regardless, steroids are still illegal in Canada.
Delaware and Arizona are both in the US last time I checked...Canada was a different country
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Chick everybody knows the IFBB thinks it's above the law.Are you saying as a Non Profit Org the IFBB has No Money and if it weren't for the Stupid Promoters there would be No IFBB Contests because they the IFBB are Broke.What a Fukin JOKE.TAX FREE DOLLARS BABY TAX FREE US DOLLARS.hMMMMMMMMMMMMM
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Delaware and Arizona are both in the US last time I checked...Canada was a different country
Did you read the part where I said "the same laws generally apply with US to Canada business relations"? Like I already said, it will never go to Congress anyway. You seem to like to search for technicalities rather than presenting a response that addresses the overall theme of my argument.
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Actually...youre wrong.
The IFBB is a non profit company...prize money is supplied by the promoter, not the IFBB....that said...the athletes are actually part of the Pro League, which is part of the IFBB...only amateurs are actually IN the IFBB....who are tested.
Ok, fine. I’m sure the IFBB has organized their business in a way to try to find legal loopholes around this issue. However, can you dispute these points?
1) On a percentage-basis, the prevalence of IFBB athletes who use Schedule III drugs likely exceeds any other sport/hobby and the general population of working class citizens.
2) A company or organization, whether nonprofit or otherwise, has a civic duty to do what is within its power to uphold the laws of the country, or countries, in which it does business.
3) Steroids are illegal, and therefore a company or organization has a civic duty to test for their use if there is reasonable suspicion that use is prevalent among representatives of that entity.
4) While not technically employees, the “athletes” serve as representatives to the IFBB, and the IFBB directly benefits from their involvement as their principal source of revenue generation.
5) The IFBB, therefore, has a civic duty to test its “athletes” for performance enhancing drugs.
I’m not questioning whether or not it makes sense from a business standpoint to test the “athletes” for steroids. I obviously understand why it is not done. And, as you pointed out, I’m sure there are other organizations which overlook it also; however, as we all know, two wrongs don’t make a right. I am basically saying two things: 1) that the IFBB has a civic and moral (depending on your own views) obligation to test for steroids; and 2) the prevalence of drug use (on a percentage basis) is likely much higher in the IFBB than any other known sport/hobby or amongst the general population.
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Did you read the part where I said "the same laws generally apply with US to Canada business relations"? Like I already said, it will never go to Congress anyway. You seem to like to search for technicalities rather than presenting a response that addresses the overall theme of my argument.
If you want a better example...BP is incorporated in London and was called before US Congress this summer to testify on profit gouging in relation to high oil prices. The only situations in which you couldn't do this is if the corporation's home country was not an ally to the US. Therefore, there would likely be no trade agreement in place, and you would not have any jurisdiction over that country's businesses.
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Ok, fine. I’m sure the IFBB has organized their business in a way to try to find legal loopholes around this issue. However, can you dispute these points?
Sure can...
1) On a percentage-basis, the prevalence of IFBB athletes who use Schedule III drugs likely exceeds any other sport/hobby and the general population of working class citizens.
Could be...nobody knows...speculation at best.
2) A company or organization, whether nonprofit or otherwise, has a civic duty to do what is within its power to uphold the laws of the country, or countries, in which it does business.
Your opinion....they have a drug test, and they have tested athletes...guess that qualifies.
3) Steroids are illegal, and therefore a company or organization has a civic duty to test for their use if there is reasonable suspicion that use is prevalent among representatives of that entity.
Again...not sure where this "civic duty" lies....they dont test everyone in ANY sport.
4) While not technically employees, the “athletes” serve as representatives to the IFBB, and the IFBB directly benefits from their involvement as their principal source of revenue generation.
Already explained in a previous post...makes no difference either way.
5) The IFBB, therefore, has a civic duty to test its “athletes” for performance enhancing drugs.
I disagree...
I’m not questioning whether or not it makes sense from a business standpoint to test the “athletes” for steroids. I obviously understand why it is not done. And, as you pointed out, I’m sure there are other organizations which overlook it also; however, as we all know, two wrongs don’t make a right. I am basically saying two things: 1) that the IFBB has a civic and moral (depending on your own views) obligation to test for steroids; and 2) the prevalence of drug use (on a percentage basis) is likely much higher in the IFBB than any other known sport/hobby or amongst the general population.
Your 2 points are your own opinion, perhaps they (IFBB) have a different one...just as fans could generally give a shit what the players are doing in ANY sport...they want to see quality sports and scoring...period. The second point is pure conjecture and moot....
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civic duty? oh brother ::)
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Ok, fine. I’m sure the IFBB has organized their business in a way to try to find legal loopholes around this issue. However, can you dispute these points?
Sure can...
1) On a percentage-basis, the prevalence of IFBB athletes who use Schedule III drugs likely exceeds any other sport/hobby and the general population of working class citizens.
Could be...nobody knows...speculation at best.
Nobody knows for sure that Scott Peterson killed his wife. However, due to the evidence, he now sits on death row. There are a lot of things in this world that are speculation...that doesn't mean you can't use common sense and evidence to arrive at a logical conclusion.
2) A company or organization, whether nonprofit or otherwise, has a civic duty to do what is within its power to uphold the laws of the country, or countries, in which it does business.
Your opinion....they have a drug test, and they have tested athletes...guess that qualifies.
my opinion is likely the opinion of the US and Canadian Supreme courts as well
3) Steroids are illegal, and therefore a company or organization has a civic duty to test for their use if there is reasonable suspicion that use is prevalent among representatives of that entity.
Again...not sure where this "civic duty" lies....they dont test everyone in ANY sport.
Again, stop pointing the finger at other "sports".
4) While not technically employees, the “athletes” serve as representatives to the IFBB, and the IFBB directly benefits from their involvement as their principal source of revenue generation.
Already explained in a previous post...makes no difference either way.
And this would be your opinion...as opposed to something based on the actual law
5) The IFBB, therefore, has a civic duty to test its “athletes” for performance enhancing drugs.
I disagree...
And I disagree with you.
I’m not questioning whether or not it makes sense from a business standpoint to test the “athletes” for steroids. I obviously understand why it is not done. And, as you pointed out, I’m sure there are other organizations which overlook it also; however, as we all know, two wrongs don’t make a right. I am basically saying two things: 1) that the IFBB has a civic and moral (depending on your own views) obligation to test for steroids; and 2) the prevalence of drug use (on a percentage basis) is likely much higher in the IFBB than any other known sport/hobby or amongst the general population.
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But regardless, who really cares. While I respect your opinion, we obviously have different views on the subject. I am done arguing my case. May we go in peace Chick.
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Chick loves Peace that's why he is the IFBB Pro Rep working Hard to get Milos back into the Pro shows.Now can we safely say ALL IFBB PROS HAVE NO WORRIES ABOUT EVER BEING DRUG TESTED EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THE RULES.hMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM :-\
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But regardless, who really cares. While I respect your opinion, we obviously have different views on the subject. I am done arguing my case. May we go in peace Chick.
No one really cares...especially the government...which is why the point is moot. If they wanted to do something about it, it would have happened a loooooong time ago. Were not big enough, nor represent a big enough fan base/ income/ etc...
I appreciate the healthy debate....unlike some of the trolls here who just keep repeating the same shit over and over...FFS....HMmmmmmmmm mmm?
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No one really cares...especially the government...which is why the point is moot. If they wanted to do something about it, it would have happened a loooooong time ago. Were not big enough, nor represent a big enough fan base/ income/ etc...
I appreciate the healthy debate....unlike some of the trolls here who just keep repeating the same shit over and over...FFS....HMmmmmmmmm mmm?
Agreed. Take care.
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I appreciate the healthy debate....unlike some of the trolls here who just keep repeating the same shit over and over...FFS....HMmmmmmmmm mmm?
Oh FFS You mean like Scram Genius and What Illegal Drugs.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmm.Fukin Trolls.
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I think they do have some drug rules, like you can't smoke backstage at the shows.
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for fuccks sake man just let it die already, this shit is getting ponderous. ::)
One of Get Bigs top 5 Worst Gimmicks Ever. :-X
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If everyone here Chick is a Troll or Fukin Gimmick why are you so Quick to chime in with your Defence of the IFBB Pro Drug use and the lack of enforcing a Law that saw Marion Jones Go to Prison.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmm :-\
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Your Silence is well noted Chick. :-\
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I hate it when people say that...such a load of BS. Other sports actually try to enforce their drug policy whereas the IFBB just totally ignores it. I bet there is less than 1% more than 75% of major league guys juicing right now...compared to 100% of the IFBB.
Fixed that for ya!
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Coach do you like the way Chick comes here defending the Charity Non Profit Org IFBB Canadian group that takes No Fukin US Dollars.What a Fukin JOKE.FFS CLOWN. :-\
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Coach do you like the way Chick comes here defending the Charity Non Profit Org IFBB Canadian group that takes No Fukin US Dollars.What a Fukin JOKE.FFS CLOWN. :-\
Gotta be honest, I just saw the "there are less that 1% than major league guys juicing right now" and I just had to respond. I like Tweeter, but he's extremly misinformed.
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I have NEVER Heard that the IFBB was Charity Non Profit Org man Bob states if it were Not for the Promoters and sponsors IFBB would Not run one Pro show.As a NON Profit Org does Bob know that members have a right to read the Financial report each year???Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmm.FFS. :-\
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I have NEVER Heard that the IFBB was Charity Non Profit Org man Bob states if it were Not for the Promoters and sponsors IFBB would Not run one Pro show.As a NON Profit Org does Bob know that members have a right to read the Financial report each year???Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmm.FFS. :-\
calm down Lee
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Gotta be honest, I just saw the "there are less that 1% than major league guys juicing right now" and I just had to respond. I like Tweeter, but he's extremly misinformed.
The 1% was an exxageration. But I would still say that its lower than 30% now with all the testing and scrutiny on drugs in the current state of the MLB. No way to know for sure though, so it's just my opinion. Anway, I was in a bad mood earlier and felt like arguing with some people after the Titans lost...I have calmed down now.
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It doesn't change the Fact that the IFBB is a NON PROFIT BROKE ARSE ORG as stated by Bob Chick.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmm.FFS. :-\
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The 1% was an exxageration. But I would still say that its lower than 30% now with all the testing and scrutiny on drugs in the current state of the MLB. No way to know for sure though, so it's just my opinion. Anway, I was in a bad mood earlier and felt like arguing with some people after the Titans lost...I have calmed down now.
Tweeter, from what I know and who I work with, I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt, ALOT more than 30% of athletes in the MLB are taking something. I have one athlete that was listed on the Mitchell report (FIY, I had no knowledge of this) that played for Toronto............if you only knew!
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Maybe But how many would be typing their Drug program on a Public forum like IFBB Pros do????
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Tweeter, from what I know and who I work with, I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt, ALOT more than 30% of athletes in the MLB are taking something. I have one athlete that was listed on the Mitchell report (FIY, I had no knowledge of this) that played for Toronto............if you only knew!
Fair enough
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Fair enough
U do realize the irony of ur stance on this, and the fact that ur on Team Artie Lange, right? ;)
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U do realize the irony of ur stance on this, and the fact that ur on Team Artie Lange, right? ;)
Artie acknowledges that he should not be using drugs. I appreciate him for his comedic talent and what he brings to the show...not for his shortcomings.
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Besides, Artie is the picture of health...
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Besides, Artie is the picture of health...
when he lays down it all goes away lol
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Artie acknowledges that he should not be using drugs. I appreciate him for his comedic talent and what he brings to the show...not for his shortcomings.
But perhaps his drug use fuels his comedic talent. Its actually quite similar.
And look at the broader industry of 'comedy'.
Lots of comedians use recreational drugs, I'd venture to guess a very very high percentage.
One could easily attack that industry using the same argument and specifics you are.
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The IFBB rule is up the dose and hope for the most! Just make us some damn money, kill yourself, but make us money!!!
Test, anadrol, winny, hgh, slin, coke, weed, heroin, ghb, "advil" ahahaha, dnp, crack, crank, meth, x, oxy, loritabs, xanax, prozac...yeah, the IFBB really wants healthy athletes! This shit is a filthy money game! Worse than the housing bubble! Fucking money hungry dipshits! This is what they promote and stand by!
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Besides, Artie is the picture of health...
LOL, oh dont get me wrong, I've been a loyal fan of the show for a number of years...but lets be honest, ur just nit-picking a dumb argument.
WWAD....artie wouldnt give a shit if bodybuilders used drugs now would he.
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The IFBB's stance on drugs is very clear....use em.
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The IFBB rule is up the dose and hope for the most! Just make us some damn money, kill yourself, but make us money!!!
Test, anadrol, winny, hgh, slin, coke, weed, heroin, ghb, "advil" ahahaha, dnp, crack, crank, meth, x, oxy, loritabs, xanax, prozac...yeah, the IFBB really wants healthy athletes! This shit is a filthy money game! Worse than the housing bubble! Fucking money hungry dipshits! This is what they promote and stand by!
WOW and Remember What Chick says It's a NON FUKIN PROFIT Org run like a Fukin Charity.FFS. :-\
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The general rule is that the IFBB (Amateur) does drug tests, while the IFBB Pro League (Professional) does not.
It's different when it comes to the Amateurs in the US (NPC), who hardy do drug tests. That's why you hardly see any US amateurs on the international stage, but lots of Pros.
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LOL, oh dont get me wrong, I've been a loyal fan of the show for a number of years...but lets be honest, ur just nit-picking a dumb argument.
WWAD....artie wouldnt give a shit if bodybuilders used drugs now would he.
Yeah, I'm sure Artie wouldn't care. However, he did tell Howard earlier this week that he can randomly test him whenever he wants, and if he fails, he will leave the show. But anyway, just because I like Artie, doesn't mean I have the same views or opinions as he does.
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The general rule is that the IFBB (Amateur) does drug tests, while the IFBB Pro League (Professional) does not.
It's different when it comes to the Amateurs in the US (NPC), who hardy do drug tests. That's why you hardly see any US amateurs on the international stage, but lots of Pros.
Yeah, I never really understood this part of it either. Why do they emphasize testing the international amateur guys but don't worry about it in the NPC? It seems like they would try to apply the same policy across the board.
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WOW and Remember What Chick says It's a NON FUKIN PROFIT Org run like a Fukin Charity.FFS. :-\
non profits have expenses.
hope this helps.
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I hate it when people say that...such a load of BS. Other sports actually try to enforce their drug policy whereas the IFBB just totally ignores it. I bet there is less than 1% of major league guys juicing right now...compared to 100% of the IFBB.
hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, do you honestly believe that the NFL is "trying to enforce it's drug policy"? if you do i have some tropical beachfront property in upper Minnesota to see you. ::)
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non profits have expenses.
hope this helps.
Not according to Chick the IFBB would NOT run a single show and give up any of their Dimes that is the Promoter and Sponsors job.The IFBB just take take take each IFBB Pro pays $200 membership not to mention all the sanction fees and NPC membership fees received.Nice little Charity going on.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmm :-\
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Yeah, I'm sure Artie wouldn't care. However, he did tell Howard earlier this week that he can randomly test him whenever he wants, and if he fails, he will leave the show. But anyway, just because I like Artie, doesn't mean I have the same views or opinions as he does.
If he fails, he'll leave the show and go to rehab...
I'm just trying to understand why, if u are so staunchly opposed to drug usage, why you support users?
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If he fails, he'll leave the show and go to rehab...
I'm just trying to understand why, if u are so staunchly opposed to drug usage, why you support users?
Sounds like the IFBB :-\
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Bump for the TRUTH.FFS :-\
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If he fails, he'll leave the show and go to rehab...
I'm just trying to understand why, if u are so staunchly opposed to drug usage, why you support users?
I'm not staunchly opposed to drug users. I don't have anything against anyone who uses steriods and wouldn't have a problem with the government legalizing them. I was just saying that if the IFBB has it in its rules that steriods are not allowed and it is also illegal to use steriods in the countries that the IFBB operates in, then they should be testing for them (basically just because the IFBB is too small for the government to care, doesn't mean it makes it ok for them to ignore it). I was just trying to make a point on behalf of the IFBB as an organization and was not directing an attack toward any individual people. And I really don't care that much either...I was just in the mood to make my case at the time.
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Tweeter your point has been duly noted and well respected.Why have a Fukin Drug Rule that is NEVER ACTED ON???Delete the Fukin Drug Rule.Geniuses
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Well do they????????? :-\
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Bump for an answer,Why have that LAUGHABLE Fukin Drug Rule Fukkas??? :-\
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asking Bob Chicherello anything about enforcing a drug rule is like asking a george bush about the geneva convention..
Bob has broken the law time and time again, in the name of bigger muscles without so much as a care for the "IFBB rules"
shooting illegal drugs in his ass was his ticket to fame, so I doubt he would speak out against their use.
Your 2 points are your own opinion, perhaps they (IFBB) have a different one...just as fans could generally give a shit what the players are doing in ANY sport...they want to see quality sports and scoring...period. The second point is pure conjecture and moot....
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asking Bob Chicherello anything about enforcing a drug rule is like asking a george bush about the geneva convention..
Bob has broken the law time and time again, in the name of bigger muscles without so much as a care for the "IFBB rules"
shooting illegal drugs in his ass was his ticket to fame, so I doubt he would speak out against their use.
GREAT POINT.
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Bump for an answer,Why have that LAUGHABLE Fukin Drug Rule Fukkas??? :-\
It's been answered quite a few times...not my problem that you cant comprehend it.
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It's been answered quite a few times...not my problem that you cant comprehend it.
Bob I hate to be a jerk, but do you ever question your morals and ethics living and supporting such a decietful sport? I'm friends and have trained with several NPC bodybuilders, one of which was suppose to compete at the nationals this year but due to back problems had to postpone it, and they've even told me that nobody in the npc is natural and that its all bullshit. I mean you seem like a great guy, but why be involved in this? What do you tell yourself to justify it? And I hope its more than the old "do wat ya gotta do" cliche, i really hope its more than that...
You can call me a moron, idiot, trash, pencilneck, or whatnot, but i'm just asking from one person to another.
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Bob I hate to be a jerk, but do you ever question your morals and ethics living and supporting such a decietful sport? I'm friends and have trained with several NPC bodybuilders, one of which was suppose to compete at the nationals this year but due to back problems had to postpone it, and they've even told me that nobody in the npc is natural and that its all bullshit. I mean you seem like a great guy, but why be involved in this? What do you tell yourself to justify it? And I hope its more than the old "do wat ya gotta do" cliche, i really hope its more than that...
You can call me a moron, idiot, trash, pencilneck, or whatnot, but i'm just asking from one person to another.
No, I dont.
What do you find "deceitful" about it?
No one said everyone in ther NPC (or any other federation) WAS natural.....if people want to go in Natural shows...all the power to them
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YOU HAVE TO SLEEP SOMETIME FUKKA.MELTTHEFUKDOWN CHICK YOU FUKIN CHILD.
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Noy a problem...hell be gone by morning
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Keep trying you Girlie Boy Sook.Scram Genius :-\
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for fuccks sake man just let it die already, this shit is getting ponderous. ::)
Agreed.
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I posted the official IFBB drug test a few times on this board.
It goes somewhat like this:
1) What steroids are best for cutting
a) Deca
b) Testosterone
c) Dianabol
d) Winstrol
2) What Steroids are best for building mass
a) Trenbolone
b) Dianabol
c) Testosterone
d) Boldenone
3) Is Clenbuterol a steroid?
a) Yes
b) No
c) I don't give a shit, i'll take it anyways
4) You are on your way to a competition in a land far away, and you realize you will need steroids there as well. What do you do?
a) The hell with customs, i'll pack a bag of Viagra and shit!!
b) No need to bring stuff, Milos is already there!
c) I inject the next weeks HGH, Insulin, Steroids in one sitting.
I heard that the guys who score over 80% are in the Mr O competition. ;D ;D
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I posted the official IFBB drug test a few times on this board.
It goes somewhat like this:
1) What steroids are best for cutting
a) Deca
b) Testosterone
c) Dianabol
d) Winstrol
2) What Steroids are best for building mass
a) Trenbolone
b) Dianabol
c) Testosterone
d) Boldenone
3) Is Clenbuterol a steroid?
a) Yes
b) No
c) I don't give a shit, i'll take it anyways
4) You are on your way to a competition in a land far away, and you realize you will need steroids there as well. What do you do?
a) The hell with customs, i'll pack a bag of Viagra and shit!!
b) No need to bring stuff, Milos is already there!
c) I inject the next weeks HGH, Insulin, Steroids in one sitting.
I heard that the guys who score over 80% are in the Mr O competition. ;D ;D
And top 10!
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No, I dont.
What do you find "deceitful" about it?
Deceitful = Ben weider claiming the IFBB conducts drug testing, with 100% of pros are juiced to the gills, and some IFBB amateurs.
Deceitful = NPC team universe being billed as a "drug tested" contest with no drug test except for the winner.
No one said everyone in ther NPC (or any other federation) WAS natural.....if people want to go in Natural shows...all the power to them
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The IFBB does conduct drug tests...especially in the amateur division.
Team Universe is drug tested, as you pointed out.
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The IFBB does conduct drug tests...especially only randomly in the amateur division.
Team Universe is drug tested, as you pointed out.
fixed
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drug testing of 1% of the contestants and calling it a "drug tested / natural show" is deceitful.
Testing (and poorly at that) a few random IFBB amateurs does not equate to the IFBB following its "drug testing policy" to state that it does is also deceitful.
The IFBB does conduct drug tests...especially in the amateur division.
Team Universe is drug tested, as you pointed out.
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drug testing of 1% of the contestants and calling it a "drug tested / natural show" is deceitful.
Testing (and poorly at that) a few random IFBB amateurs does not equate to the IFBB following its "drug testing policy" to state that it does is also deceitful.
You would be correct if it was stated that EVERYONE, or 100%, etc...would be tested. No where does that exsist
You're incorrect with your statement.
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So in the rule book each policy/rule must be preceded with "this applies to 100 % of the members" to be enforced?
Your logic further proves that the IFBB rule book (which contains the policy) is a joke.
Ben Weider blatantly lying to the IOC about the "IFBB's rigorous drug test policy" did him no favors in realizing his dream.
You would be correct if it was stated that EVERYONE, or 100%, etc...would be tested. No where does that exsist
You're incorrect with your statement.
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Chick, do you think we are stupid? Please start random offseason drug tests and testing the first 3 places only in every contest and we all know the drug infested "sport" of BB would be dead.
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So in the rule book each policy/rule must be preceded with "this applies to 100 % of the members" to be enforced?
Your logic further proves that the IFBB rule book (which contains the policy) is a joke.
Ben Weider blatantly lying to the IOC about the "IFBB's rigorous drug test policy" did him no favors in realizing his dream.
The rules are quite clear, and spelled out. Take a look at them if you need to educate yourself on how easily interpreted they are....
Ben Weider didn't have to lie about the drug testing...the "dream" was never realized due to the fact that there isn't any required elements to be judged on....drugs/ testing never had anything to do with it, as the athletes would have been subject to the same IOC testing as every other athlete
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Chick, do you think we are stupid? Please start random offseason drug tests and testing the first 3 places only in every contest and we all know the drug infested "sport" of BB would be dead.
Which has what to do with the discussion? No one is arguing about whether or not the sport would be dead or not...
Start another thread...
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Bodybuilding could not exist under IOC testing. Also, its not a sport but a beauty pageant.
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Bodybuilding and drug tests are like fire and water.
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Your interpretation of the IFBB drug testing policy (i.e. it only applies some of the time)
also means that other rules are applied when convenient.
Ben didn't have to lie, but he did. Repeatedly. Looked quite foolish doing so.
The role of drugs in the IFBB's pariah status with the IOC can't be swept under the rug, despite your noble efforts.
Once a drug addict, always a drug addiction defender.
The rules are quite clear, and spelled out. Take a look at them if you need to educate yourself on how easily interpreted they are....
Ben Weider didn't have to lie about the drug testing...the "dream" was never realized due to the fact that there isn't any required elements to be judged on....drugs/ testing never had anything to do with it, as the athletes would have been subject to the same IOC testing as every other athlete
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Which has what to do with the discussion? No one is arguing about whether or not the sport would be dead or not...
Start another thread...
You have a way of NEVER answering the question Bob IFBB Pros Rep.
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You have a way of NEVER answering the question Bob IFBB Pros Rep.
I've answered every question, numerous times. If you have a specific question...ask it.
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Your interpretation of the IFBB drug testing policy (i.e. it only applies some of the time)
also means that other rules are applied when convenient.
Ben didn't have to lie, but he did. Repeatedly. Looked quite foolish doing so.
The role of drugs in the IFBB's pariah status with the IOC can't be swept under the rug, despite your noble efforts.
Once a drug addict, always a drug addiction defender.
My "interpretation" is exactly what it states in the rules...they "reserve thre right", you may be "subject to"....that means they can implement the test when and if they wish....not muh need for any interpretation...seems pretty clear cut to me,..
The rest of your jibberish is just that.....
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I've answered every question, numerous times. If you have a specific question...ask it.
If the IFBB Drug Rule is never used why not just have it Deleted from the Rules.Chick make your mark with the IFBB History and get that Drug Rule Deleted.
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If the IFBB Drug Rule is never used why not just have it Deleted from the Rules.Chick make your mark with the IFBB History and get that Drug Rule Deleted.
It's there to use if they choose to use it...just like your employer has the same right.
If they dont use it...why do I need to have it removed?
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If you have a specific question...ask it.
Do all IFBB pro's use excessive amounts of illegal substances?
Should an organisation, which relies on the athletes to exist, have a vested interest in the health of these athletes?
Is it ethical for the IFBB to allow these athletes to damage their own health to such a degree by not enforcing a significant level of drug-testing?
Does the IFBB ignore the health and well-being of its athletes, because they need them to look the way they do?
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Do all IFBB pro's use excessive amounts of illegal substances?
Should an organisation, which relies on the athletes to exist, have a vested interest in the health of these athletes?
Is it ethical for the IFBB to allow these athletes to damage their own health to such a degree by not enforcing a significant level of drug-testing?
Does the IFBB ignore the health and well-being of its athletes, because they need them to look the way they do?
1. ALL? No......SOME...yes.
2. Yes
3. THats a matter of opinion
4. Te health and welfare of the athletes is left up the the athetes...just like every other sport
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1. ALL? No......SOME...yes.
2. Yes
3. THats a matter of opinion
4. Te health and welfare of the athletes is left up the the athetes...just like every other sport
So, you agree that some pro's use excessive amounts (I suppose it's debatable what's excessive!), and you agree that the IFBB should have an interest in the health of it's athletes.
You replied to Q3 with 'it's a matter of opinion', so what is your opinion? Do you think the athletes should have more strict drug-testing? If 'some' of them are using excessive amounts, then wouldn't this be a good thing?
As for Q4, yes athletes are responsible for their own well-being, but in most other sports, they would be drug-tested at regular intervals. Whilst this does not stop them from using, it would reduce the amount of use. And anyone in a regular job who was supected of using illegal substances would most likely be suspended/fired. So is saying it's up to the athletes really just looking the other way?
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So, you agree that some pro's use excessive amounts (I suppose it's debatable what's excessive!), and you agree that the IFBB should have an interest in the health of it's athletes.
You replied to Q3 with 'it's a matter of opinion', so what is your opinion? Do you think the athletes should have more strict drug-testing? If 'some' of them are using excessive amounts, then wouldn't this be a good thing?
As for Q4, yes athletes are responsible for their own well-being, but in most other sports, they would be drug-tested at regular intervals. Whilst this does not stop them from using, it would reduce the amount of use. And anyone in a regular job who was supected of using illegal substances would most likely be suspended/fired. So is saying it's up to the athletes really just looking the other way?
Of course some use exsessive amounts...mostly in the amateurs, but there are those who do things stupidly in every corner of life.
Do I think there should be more stringent testing...no.
Trust me...there is no more testing in other sports...it's all a big smokescreen, and a walk on the tightrope to apease those asking for it, and giving the fans what they want, who could really care less what the athletes are using/ not using....
No, it's not looking the other way, it's putting responsibility to adults who should be responsible for themselves....
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Of course some use exsessive amounts...mostly in the amateurs, but there are those who do things stupidly in every corner of life.
Do I think there should be more stringent testing...no.
Trust me...there is no more testing in other sports...it's all a big smokescreen, and a walk on the tightrope to apease those asking for it, and giving the fans what they want, who could really care less what the athletes are using/ not using....
No, it's not looking the other way, it's putting responsibility to adults who should be responsible for themselves....
Putting the responsibility in the hands of the athletes clearly doesn't work though, as they all want to be the best, which requires what the general public would class as excessive drug use. I'm sure that the amateurs are using ridiculous levels of anabolics, but surely in most cases the biggest guys in the world are using the biggest dosages. This can be seen when they come off and reduce down drastically in size.
I can understand where you're coming from as athletes rep, you always have to speak in a way which the IFBB would agree with, but saying that there is just as little testing in other sports is a bit misleading. There are nowhere near the same levels of drug use in other sports. You could say that 80% of athletes in Sport A are using, but the dosages will be nowhere near that of a bodybuilder. So with this increased use, comes increased health risk, which should mean increased drug tests.
One last question. As the sport progresses, and we see bigger and bigger guys onstage, do you think there will ever be a point where the IFBB says enough is enough, or will they continue to allow the drug use as long as they are benefiting from it?
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Don't ask Hard questions or expect a Little Timeout.Chick has the power.
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Don't ask Hard questions or expect a Little Timeout.Chick has the power.
I've noticed the lack of any reply going on here. I'm not trying to be a dick, and I appreciate him answering the questions, but it's a bit off when he's posting in other threads and ignoring me.
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I've noticed the lack of any reply going on here. I'm not trying to be a dick, and I appreciate him answering the questions, but it's a bit off when he's posting in other threads and ignoring me.
Just keep asking or start a New Thread that will almost guarantee you getting TIMEOUT.
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guys be careful w/ what u say about certian people
as ron told me once-there is no freedom of speech in getbig land
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guys be careful w/ what u say about certian people
as ron told me once-there is no freedom of speech in getbig land
LOL this question is NEVER answered Drugs are Not used by IFBB Pros.
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More smoke screens from Chick.
It seems like the "Athletes" ::)"Rep" ::) is doing what he does best, stonewall and deflect.
Don't think any straight answers will be given on this subject or any other subject such as Chicks "dealings" in the Mirage Hotel in 1993.
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More smoke screens from Chick.
It seems like the "Athletes" ::)"Rep" ::) is doing what he does best, stonewall and deflect.
Don't think any straight answers will be given on this subject or any other subject such as Chicks "dealings" in the Mirage Hotel in 1993.
What happened in the Mirage in 93???It's a nice hotel it's a wonder that a Pro would even be there unless a Schmoe or Promoter paid for the Room.
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Rhetorical Question Farley!!!!!!
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What happened in the Mirage in 93???It's a nice hotel it's a wonder that a Pro would even be there unless a Schmoe or Promoter paid for the Room.
Go search for it on the forums, we posted the whole exchange a few days ago but Chick deleted it and refused to give us any honest answers.
Chick melted quick and put some good posters in Time Out.
It's been established that Chick can't take the Get Big heat.
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Go search for it on the forums, we posted the whole exchange a few days ago but Chick deleted it and refused to give us any honest answers.
Chick melted quick and put some good posters in Time Out.
It's been established that Chick can't take the Get Big heat.
LOL...what a bunch of schmucks...I wasnt even in vegas in 03....keep me out of all of your gay fantasies, please....BTW....I owned my own gym from 1992 till I turned pro...unlike many others, I actualy WORKED for a living.
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LOL...what a bunch of schmucks...I wasnt even in vegas in 03....keep me out of all of your gay fantasies, please....BTW....I owned my own gym from 1992 till I turned pro...unlike many others, I actualy WORKED for a living.
What do you mean "03"? We are talking about 1993 here, Bob!
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What do you mean "03"? We are talking about 1993 here, Bob!
93...my bad
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Talk about beating a dead horse. ::)
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Is there SOMETHING???
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One last question. As the sport progresses, and we see bigger and bigger guys onstage, do you think there will ever be a point where the IFBB says enough is enough, or will they continue to allow the drug use as long as they are benefiting from it?
One last question, Bob.
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One last question, Bob.
He won't answer your question because it is to forthcoming, to honest and to much for Bob to handle.
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Unless the govt steps in, I dont see testing anytime soon...
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Unless the govt steps in, I dont see testing anytime soon...
Chick telling the Truth The IFBB do Not and will Not Drug test.So to be an IFBB Pro take as much Illegal Drugs as necessary.Oh unless the Govt steps in.
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Chick telling the Truth The IFBB do Not and will Not Drug test.So to be an IFBB Pro take as much Illegal Drugs as necessary.Oh unless the Govt steps in.
your posting style is A LOT like "the Godfather". :-X
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Posting style didn't know there was one.God who???
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Was there Something?
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your posting style is A LOT like "the Godfather". :-X
:-\ Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .. I think you might be on to something QO.. FFS Fukka
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Chick,
its seems that your former drug use has rendered your ability to interpret rules null and void.
Rule 8 – Drug Testing
8.1 Policy Statement:
Sport involves physical health and fitness, mental application and dedication to
training. Doping – the use of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods –
to artificially enhance performance is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair
play, undermines the values of sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes.
Anyone with common sense (i.e. not a law breaking drug user) can see that the hypocrisy of the IFBB.
My "interpretation" is exactly what it states in the rules...they "reserve thre right", you may be "subject to"....that means they can implement the test when and if they wish....not muh need for any interpretation...seems pretty clear cut to me,..
The rest of your jibberish is just that.....
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Chick,
its seems that your former drug use has rendered your ability to interpret rules null and void.
Rule 8 – Drug Testing
8.1 Policy Statement:
Sport involves physical health and fitness, mental application and dedication to
training. Doping – the use of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods –
to artificially enhance performance is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair
play, undermines the values of sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes.
Anyone with common sense (i.e. not a law breaking drug user) can see that the hypocrisy of the IFBB.
What I see you posted...is a statement.
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What I see you posted...is a statement.
oh geez Bob is on tonight ::)
Bob can you just shutup during the webcast, you are always talking it takes away from the competitors routines. My fiancee was even saying geez why won't that guy just shutup !
jt
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oh geez Bob is on tonight ::)
Bob can you just shutup during the webcast, you are always talking it takes away from the competitors routines. My fiancee was even saying geez why won't that guy just shutup !
jt
Yeah...I could, but then I wouldnt get paid.
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Yeah...I could, but then I wouldnt get paid.
You could always just use commentary after the performances and in between stuff, and turn up competitors music during routines.
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You could always just use commentary after the performances and in between stuff, and turn up competitors music during routines.
We dont control the music, or the volume for that matter....and watching routine after routine gets boring...quickly. Thats why they provide color commentary for Ice skating and gymnastics, etc....
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We dont control the music, or the volume for that matter....and watching routine after routine gets boring...quickly. Thats why they provide color commentary for Ice skating and gymnastics, etc....
good point Bob.
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What I see you posted...is a statement.
hahaah, BS! Still evading the drug question. Just admit it, IFBB pros are steroid junkies. Drug addicts.
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hahaah, BS! Still evading the drug question. Just admit it, IFBB pros are steroid junkies. Drug addicts.
Junkies and drug addicts shoot heroin, crack....thought that was pretty common knowledge.
Not sure how thats "evading" any question about whether or not the IFBB chooses to enforce rules.
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bob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Junkies and drug addicts shoot heroin, crack....thought that was pretty common knowledge.
Not sure how thats "evading" any question about whether or not the IFBB chooses to enforce rules.
lol!!
Steroid abuse is the same as other drug abuse, and steroids are addictive as well, i think you can sing this song pretty good, "Chick".
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lol!!
Steroid abuse is the same as other drug abuse, and steroids are addictive as well, i think you can sing this song pretty good, "Chick".
No, it's not the same for reasons (I would think) are obvious...
No one is knocking over old ladies for the pure, or robbing banks...to get their "fix" of anabolics...
I guess that makes the football and baseball players "drug addicts" as well...
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No, it's not the same for reasons (I would think) are obvious...
No one is knocking over old ladies for the pure, or robbing banks...to get their "fix" of anabolics...
I guess that makes the football and baseball players "drug addicts" as well...
Sure that would make others drug addicts too.
The fact that steroids are easier attainable and there's no need to rob someone doesn't make up for the fact that we have the typical signs of drug addiction in steroid users, i.e. lack of self esteem that is covered with drug use, doing criminal acts to get the drug, thoughts cycling abround drug usage all day, the good feeling when you get the next fix or go on next cycle, anxiety when drug isn't available etc.
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Sure that would make others drug addicts too.
The fact that steroids are easier attainable and there's no need to rob someone doesn't make up for the fact that we have the typical signs of drug addiction in steroid users, i.e. lack of self esteem that is covered with drug use, doing criminal acts to get the drug, thoughts cycling abround drug usage all day, the good feeling when you get the next fix or go on next cycle, anxiety when drug isn't available etc.
LOL......are these personal experiences?
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LOL......are these personal experiences?
No, i am natural, but you only have to read the boards and talk to people to realize that.
Steroid users are a bunch of addicted monkeys.
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No, i am natural, but you only have to read the boards and talk to people to realize that.
Steroid users are a bunch of addicted monkeys.
LOL......wow.
So, tell me some other tales of things you have no personal knowledge of, or experience in....how about a coal miner.....whats that like??
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LOL......wow.
So, tell me some other tales of things you have no personal knowledge of, or experience in....how about a coal miner.....whats that like??
you tell 'em, Chick. tell us what it's like to be on the sauce for more than half of your life.
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I posted the rule straight out of the IFBB rule book, and it seems you have not a leg to stand on.
I expected a "they do it to" football drug use reference at the very least.
What I see you posted...is a statement.
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Pointing fingers will not help you my law breaking friend,
Drug use is far less prevalent in football and baseball, and they use a hell of a lot less.
No, it's not the same for reasons (I would think) are obvious...
No one is knocking over old ladies for the pure, or robbing banks...to get their "fix" of anabolics...
I guess that makes the football and baseball players "drug addicts" as well...
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I posted the rule straight out of the IFBB rule book, and it seems you have not a leg to stand on.
I expected a "they do it to" football drug use reference at the very least.
8.1 Policy Statement:
Sport involves physical health and fitness, mental application and dedication to
training. Doping – the use of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods –
to artificially enhance performance is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair
play, undermines the values of sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes.
Here's your "leg to stand on"....perhaps the word STATEMENT was overlooked. Comprehension my friend....learn it.
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Pointing fingers will not help you my law breaking friend,
Drug use is far less prevalent in football and baseball, and they use a hell of a lot less.
I guarantee Bob Chicks mother can make a much better plate of pasta than yours ever could.
I bet your mothers gravy sucks
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So the word "statement" absolves the IFBB from enforcing the rule/policy ??
ridiculous.
what about drug use being "unethical" or being "contrary to the concept of fair play" ??
I suppose it is the IFBB that doesn't have a leg to stand on.
You are just a PR man doing your job.
8.1 Policy Statement:
Sport involves physical health and fitness, mental application and dedication to
training. Doping – the use of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods –
to artificially enhance performance is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair
play, undermines the values of sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes.
Here's your "leg to stand on"....perhaps the word STATEMENT was overlooked. Comprehension my friend....learn it.
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8.1 Policy Statement:
Sport involves physical health and fitness, mental application and dedication to
training. Doping – the use of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods –
to artificially enhance performance is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair
play, undermines the values of sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes.
Here's your "leg to stand on"....perhaps the word STATEMENT was overlooked. Comprehension my friend....learn it.
where;s the list of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods ???????
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So the word "statement" absolves the IFBB from enforcing the rule/policy ??
ridiculous.
what about drug use being "unethical" or being "contrary to the concept of fair play" ??
I suppose it is the IFBB that doesn't have a leg to stand on.
You are just a PR man doing your job.
No..the word "statement" means...it's a statement.
What about it? Those are beliefs put forth by the founding fathers of the IFBB....God Bless them!
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Chick in this thread is like a kitten surronded by some sadistic kids throwing stones and beating with sticks.
I almost feel sorry for him. Everybody knows that the IFBB is some drug infested federation, full of law-breaking steroid addicts, some are even prostitutes, which is fine for Chick, he approves that.
On the other hand, he struggles to get out of this somehow, but it's just impossible, all that comes is more lying and twisting and a little scratching.
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Chick in this thread is like a kitten surronded by some sadistic kids throwing stones and beating with sticks.
I almost feel sorry for him. Everybody knows that the IFBB is some drug infested federation, full of law-breaking steroid addicts, some are even prostitutes, which is fine for Chick, he approves that.
On the other hand, he struggles to get out of this somehow, but it's just impossible, all that comes is more lying and twisting and a little scratching.
Yep...and those kids were always the same....the morons of the class...losers with no future who will most likely grow up working a meniel job and posting the same shit on a message board over and over, day after day...
The whole process, and the IFBB, is no different than the NFL...who have the same basic rules which are enforced almost never.
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The homos jumping up and down about the drugs are the first to complain when a competitor is not "big" enough or is to soft..or isnt freaky enough etc etc..
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Yep...and those kids were always the same....the morons of the class...losers with no future who will most likely grow up working a meniel job and posting the same shit on a message board over and over, day after day...
The whole process, and the IFBB, is no different than the NFL...who have the same basic rules which are enforced almost never.
lol, i think that there are a lot of users on this board who blow away IFBB pros when it comes to intellect and a good life.
You are just backing off and trying to find a way out of this dilemma.
The homos jumping up and down about the drugs are the first to complain when a competitor is not "big" enough or is to soft..or isnt freaky enough etc etc..
Good point, a lot of people do, but there are still many who don't.
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lol, i think that there are a lot of users on this board who blow away IFBB pros when it comes to intellect and a good life.
You are just backing off and trying to find a way out of this dilemma.
Good point, a lot of people do, but there are still many who don't.
Sorry bro....logic dictates that you are wrong.
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Sorry bro....logic dictates that you are wrong.
lol!!!
Logic dictates that you are a drug addict that defends his own addiction. hth, chick.
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lol!!!
Logic dictates that you are a drug addict that defends his own addiction. hth, chick.
Logic dictates that you should know the difference between a drug addict, and someone who chooses to use PED to increase strength, and help in the recovery process.
Look it up and educate yourself...
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Logic dictates that you should know the difference between a drug addict, and someone who chooses to use PED to increase strength, and help in the recovery process.
Look it up and educate yourself...
Drug addict excuse for your drug addiction...
Like speed users telling you they use the drug for doing their job better.
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Drug addict excuse for your drug addiction...
Like speed users telling you they use the drug for doing their job better.
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well, you would have to know what a "job" is, first. ;D
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well, you would have to know what a "job" is, first. ;D
hahahaha, ok Mr. telling everyone you're a ripped massive german stud when you're a skinny/fat black man living in the US. ::)
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well, you would have to know what a "job" is, first. ;D
;D ;D
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hahahaha, ok Mr. telling everyone you're a ripped massive german stud when you're a skinny/fat black man living in the US. ::)
Oh, is that a new attempt to get me to post a pic??
Lame.
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A rule is a rule. Obviously it is a statement, are the other rules "questions" ?
You are grasping for straws.
The IFBB contradicts itself. And you are a criminal. Get over it.
No..the word "statement" means...it's a statement.
What about it? Those are beliefs put forth by the founding fathers of the IFBB....God Bless them!
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IFBB drug use >>> NFL drug use
to argue otherwise would be foolish, or you might have something to hide (past drug use for the IFBB)
The whole process, and the IFBB, is no different than the NFL...who have the same basic rules which are enforced almost never.
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Logic dictates that one knows the use of steroids isn't legal, and therefore makes a user no better than a common criminal.
Logic dictates that you should know the difference between a drug addict, and someone who chooses to use PED to increase strength, and help in the recovery process.
Look it up and educate yourself...
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Chick is an idiot, saying the sky is orange on a sunny day.
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Sorry bro....logic dictates that you are wrong.
SORRY bro but if it's ONLY a Statement like you say DELETE the Rule,and give people a break from laughing at your Drug user face. :-\
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SORRY bro but if it's ONLY a Statement like you say DELETE the Rule,and give people a break from laughing at your Drug user face. :-\
No one is laughing....no one cares.....except YOU for some unknown reason.
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Yes. One rule. Take many drugs.
Hope this helps.
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Yes. One rule. Take many drugs.
Hope this helps.
Epic conclusion
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No one is laughing....no one cares.....except YOU for some unknown reason.
no one of the IFBB pros and the IFBB cares, wtf is this about?
The american public cares a lot i would bet about a Federation that nearly openly advertises steroid abuse and thus leads many many young healthy people into drug abuse to look like Jay Cutler.