Does the IFBB have a Drug Rule???

[The GodFather]

Did the questions start to get hard Chick??? your absence has been NOTED.hMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[bigdumbbell]

Doesn't matter where it is incorporated...as long as it does business within the US. Just because a company is incorporated in Delaware, that doesn't mean it can't be sued in Arizona, etc. The same laws generally apply with Canada to US business relations. Regardless, steroids are still illegal in Canada.

congress will NEVER investigate the IFBB because it is a private club

[Chick]

Doesn't matter where it is incorporated...as long as it does business within the US. Just because a company is incorporated in Delaware, that doesn't mean it can't be sued in Arizona, etc. The same laws generally apply with Canada to US business relations. Regardless, steroids are still illegal in Canada.

Delaware and Arizona are both in the US last time I checked...Canada was a different country

[The GodFather]

Chick everybody knows the IFBB thinks it's above the law.Are you saying as a Non Profit Org the IFBB has No Money and if it weren't for the Stupid Promoters there would be No IFBB Contests because they the IFBB are Broke.What a Fukin JOKE.TAX FREE DOLLARS BABY TAX FREE US DOLLARS.hMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[tweeter]

Delaware and Arizona are both in the US last time I checked...Canada was a different country

Did you read the part where I said "the same laws generally apply with US to Canada business relations"? Like I already said, it will never go to Congress anyway. You seem to like to search for technicalities rather than presenting a response that addresses the overall theme of my argument.

[tweeter]

Actually...youre wrong.

The IFBB is a non profit company...prize money is supplied by the promoter, not the IFBB....that said...the athletes are actually part of the Pro League, which is part of the IFBB...only amateurs are actually IN the IFBB....who are tested.

Ok, fine. I’m sure the IFBB has organized their business in a way to try to find legal loopholes around this issue. However, can you dispute these points?

1) On a percentage-basis, the prevalence of IFBB athletes who use Schedule III drugs likely exceeds any other sport/hobby and the general population of working class citizens.
2) A company or organization, whether nonprofit or otherwise, has a civic duty to do what is within its power to uphold the laws of the country, or countries, in which it does business.
3) Steroids are illegal, and therefore a company or organization has a civic duty to test for their use if there is reasonable suspicion that use is prevalent among representatives of that entity.
4) While not technically employees, the “athletes” serve as representatives to the IFBB, and the IFBB directly benefits from their involvement as their principal source of revenue generation.
5) The IFBB, therefore, has a civic duty to test its “athletes” for performance enhancing drugs.

I’m not questioning whether or not it makes sense from a business standpoint to test the “athletes” for steroids. I obviously understand why it is not done. And, as you pointed out, I’m sure there are other organizations which overlook it also; however, as we all know, two wrongs don’t make a right. I am basically saying two things: 1) that the IFBB has a civic and moral (depending on your own views) obligation to test for steroids; and 2) the prevalence of drug use (on a percentage basis) is likely much higher in the IFBB than any other known sport/hobby or amongst the general population.

[tweeter]

Did you read the part where I said "the same laws generally apply with US to Canada business relations"? Like I already said, it will never go to Congress anyway. You seem to like to search for technicalities rather than presenting a response that addresses the overall theme of my argument.

If you want a better example...BP is incorporated in London and was called before US Congress this summer to testify on profit gouging in relation to high oil prices. The only situations in which you couldn't do this is if the corporation's home country was not an ally to the US. Therefore, there would likely be no trade agreement in place, and you would not have any jurisdiction over that country's businesses.

[Chick]

Ok, fine. I’m sure the IFBB has organized their business in a way to try to find legal loopholes around this issue. However, can you dispute these points?


Sure can...

1) On a percentage-basis, the prevalence of IFBB athletes who use Schedule III drugs likely exceeds any other sport/hobby and the general population of working class citizens.


Could be...nobody knows...speculation at best.


2) A company or organization, whether nonprofit or otherwise, has a civic duty to do what is within its power to uphold the laws of the country, or countries, in which it does business.


Your opinion....they have a drug test, and they have tested athletes...guess that qualifies.

3) Steroids are illegal, and therefore a company or organization has a civic duty to test for their use if there is reasonable suspicion that use is prevalent among representatives of that entity.

Again...not sure where this "civic duty" lies....they dont test everyone in ANY sport.


4) While not technically employees, the “athletes” serve as representatives to the IFBB, and the IFBB directly benefits from their involvement as their principal source of revenue generation.

Already explained in a previous post...makes no difference either way.


5) The IFBB, therefore, has a civic duty to test its “athletes” for performance enhancing drugs.

I disagree...

I’m not questioning whether or not it makes sense from a business standpoint to test the “athletes” for steroids. I obviously understand why it is not done. And, as you pointed out, I’m sure there are other organizations which overlook it also; however, as we all know, two wrongs don’t make a right. I am basically saying two things: 1) that the IFBB has a civic and moral (depending on your own views) obligation to test for steroids; and 2) the prevalence of drug use (on a percentage basis) is likely much higher in the IFBB than any other known sport/hobby or amongst the general population.

Your 2 points are your own opinion, perhaps they (IFBB) have a different one...just as fans could generally give a shit what the players are doing in ANY sport...they want to see quality sports and scoring...period.  The second point is pure conjecture and moot....

[bigdumbbell]

civic duty?  oh brother

[tweeter]

Ok, fine. I’m sure the IFBB has organized their business in a way to try to find legal loopholes around this issue. However, can you dispute these points?


Sure can...

1) On a percentage-basis, the prevalence of IFBB athletes who use Schedule III drugs likely exceeds any other sport/hobby and the general population of working class citizens.


Could be...nobody knows...speculation at best.

Nobody knows for sure that Scott Peterson killed his wife. However, due to the evidence, he now sits on death row. There are a lot of things in this world that are speculation...that doesn't mean you can't use common sense and evidence to arrive at a logical conclusion.

2) A company or organization, whether nonprofit or otherwise, has a civic duty to do what is within its power to uphold the laws of the country, or countries, in which it does business.


Your opinion....they have a drug test, and they have tested athletes...guess that qualifies.

my opinion is likely the opinion of the US and Canadian Supreme courts as well

3) Steroids are illegal, and therefore a company or organization has a civic duty to test for their use if there is reasonable suspicion that use is prevalent among representatives of that entity.

Again...not sure where this "civic duty" lies....they dont test everyone in ANY sport.

Again, stop pointing the finger at other "sports".


4) While not technically employees, the “athletes” serve as representatives to the IFBB, and the IFBB directly benefits from their involvement as their principal source of revenue generation.

Already explained in a previous post...makes no difference either way.

And this would be your opinion...as opposed to something based on the actual law

5) The IFBB, therefore, has a civic duty to test its “athletes” for performance enhancing drugs.

I disagree...

And I disagree with you.

I’m not questioning whether or not it makes sense from a business standpoint to test the “athletes” for steroids. I obviously understand why it is not done. And, as you pointed out, I’m sure there are other organizations which overlook it also; however, as we all know, two wrongs don’t make a right. I am basically saying two things: 1) that the IFBB has a civic and moral (depending on your own views) obligation to test for steroids; and 2) the prevalence of drug use (on a percentage basis) is likely much higher in the IFBB than any other known sport/hobby or amongst the general population.

[tweeter]

But regardless, who really cares. While I respect your opinion, we obviously have different views on the subject. I am done arguing my case. May we go in peace Chick.

[The GodFather]

Chick loves Peace that's why he is the IFBB Pro Rep working Hard to get Milos back into the Pro shows.Now can we safely say ALL IFBB PROS HAVE NO WORRIES ABOUT EVER BEING DRUG TESTED EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THE RULES.hMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Chick]

But regardless, who really cares. While I respect your opinion, we obviously have different views on the subject. I am done arguing my case. May we go in peace Chick.

No one really cares...especially the government...which is why the point is moot. If they wanted to do something about it, it would have happened a loooooong time ago. Were not big enough, nor represent a big enough fan base/ income/ etc...

I appreciate the healthy debate....unlike some of the trolls here who just keep repeating the same shit over and over...FFS....HMmmmmmmmm mmm?

[tweeter]

No one really cares...especially the government...which is why the point is moot. If they wanted to do something about it, it would have happened a loooooong time ago. Were not big enough, nor represent a big enough fan base/ income/ etc...

I appreciate the healthy debate....unlike some of the trolls here who just keep repeating the same shit over and over...FFS....HMmmmmmmmm mmm?

Agreed. Take care.

[The GodFather]

I appreciate the healthy debate....unlike some of the trolls here who just keep repeating the same shit over and over...FFS....HMmmmmmmmm mmm?

              Oh FFS You mean like Scram Genius and What Illegal Drugs.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmm.Fukin Trolls.

[leonp1981]

I think they do have some drug rules, like you can't smoke backstage at the shows.

 

[GigantorX]

for fuccks sake man just let it die already, this shit is getting ponderous.

One of Get Bigs top 5 Worst Gimmicks Ever.

[The GodFather]

If everyone here Chick is a Troll or Fukin Gimmick why are you so Quick to chime in with your Defence of the IFBB Pro Drug use and the lack of enforcing a Law that saw Marion Jones Go to Prison.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmm

[The GodFather]

Your Silence is well noted Chick.

[The Coach]

I hate it when people say that...such a load of BS. Other sports actually try to enforce their drug policy whereas the IFBB just totally ignores it. I bet there is less than 1% more than 75% of major league guys juicing right now...compared to 100% of the IFBB.

Fixed that for ya!

[The GodFather]

Coach do you like the way Chick comes here defending the Charity Non Profit Org IFBB Canadian group that takes No Fukin US Dollars.What a Fukin JOKE.FFS CLOWN.

[The Coach]

Coach do you like the way Chick comes here defending the Charity Non Profit Org IFBB Canadian group that takes No Fukin US Dollars.What a Fukin JOKE.FFS CLOWN.

Gotta be honest, I just saw the "there are less that 1% than major league guys juicing right now" and I just had to respond. I like Tweeter, but he's extremly misinformed.

[The GodFather]

I have NEVER Heard that the IFBB was Charity Non Profit Org man Bob states if it were Not for the Promoters and sponsors IFBB would Not run one Pro show.As a NON Profit Org does Bob know that members have a right to read the Financial report each year???Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmm.FFS.

[io856]

I have NEVER Heard that the IFBB was Charity Non Profit Org man Bob states if it were Not for the Promoters and sponsors IFBB would Not run one Pro show.As a NON Profit Org does Bob know that members have a right to read the Financial report each year???Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmm.FFS.

calm down Lee

[tweeter]

Gotta be honest, I just saw the "there are less that 1% than major league guys juicing right now" and I just had to respond. I like Tweeter, but he's extremly misinformed.

The 1% was an exxageration. But I would still say that its lower than 30% now with all the testing and scrutiny on drugs in the current state of the MLB. No way to know for sure though, so it's just my opinion. Anway, I was in a bad mood earlier and felt like arguing with some people after the Titans lost...I have calmed down now.