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But at this rate only the 3rd day in office and he's proven to be not only living up to being the biggest liberal in congress, but possibly the biggest lib in presidential history. Not only that, he's signed a death warrant for millions of babies. Screw him.
President Obama on Friday lifted a ban on federal funding for international groups that promote or perform abortions, reversing a policy of his predecessor, George W. Bush.
Obama signed the executive order one day after the 36th anniversary of the landmark Roe v. Wade Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion in all 50 states.
Liberal groups welcomed the decision while abortion rights foes criticized the president, who was long expected to make this move during his first week in office.
The so-called Mexico City policy requires any non-governmental organization to agree before receiving U.S. funds that they will "neither perform nor actively promote abortion as a method of family planning in other nations."
It is also known as the "global gag rule," because it prohibits taxpayer funding for groups that even talk about abortion if there is an unplanned pregnancy.
The policy was first instituted by President Ronald Reagan in 1984 and continued by President George H.W. Bush. The policy was reversed by President Bill Clinton in 1993, and re-instated by President George W. Bush in 2001.
Both Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who will oversee foreign aid, had promised to do away with the gag rule during the presidential campaign. Clinton is to visit the U.S. Agency for International Development, through which much U.S. foreign aid is disbursed, later on Friday.
Organizations that had pressed Obama to make the abortion-ban change were jubilant.
"Women's health has been severely impacted by the cutoff of assistance. "President Obama's actions will help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies, abortions and women dying from high-risk pregnancies because they don't have access to family planning," said Tod Preston, a spokesman for Population Action International, an advocacy group.
Anti-abortion groups criticized the move.
"President Obama not long ago told the American people that he would support policies to reduce abortions, but today he is effectively guaranteeing more abortions by funding groups that promote abortion as a method of population control," said Douglas Johnson, legislative director of the National Right to Life Committee.
Obama has spent his first days in office systematically signing executive orders reversing Bush administration policies on issues ranging from foreign policy to government operations. On Thursday, he signed three executive orders to rein in secretive U.S. counterterror policies and end harsh interrogations.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/23/obama-lift-ban-overseas-abortion-funding/
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Not to worry. obama can't order as many babies killed with a scalpel, as bush did with napalm.
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Gonna give MattT a solid race for his money in the Idiots Stakes, I see.
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Good for him. Every woman has a right to terminate her pregnancy if she so wishes. And don't give me the standard 'It's a human life', The Coach - while the fetus is in the mother's womb, it's not an independent entity that has rights like an existing individual does. The female carries and nurtures it (willingly or not) and therefore gets to decide whether she wishes to continue playing host or not.
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Listen to what Alex Jones has to say about Obama.
(all over youtube)
It's SCARY!
:o
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But at this rate only the 3rd day in office and he's proven to be not only living up to being the biggest liberal in congress, but possibly the biggest lib in presidential history. Not only that, he's signed a death warrant for millions of babies. Screw him.
President Obama on Friday lifted a ban on federal funding for international groups that promote or perform abortions, reversing a policy of his predecessor, George W. Bush.
Obama signed the executive order one day after the 36th anniversary of the landmark Roe v. Wade Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion in all 50 states.
Liberal groups welcomed the decision while abortion rights foes criticized the president, who was long expected to make this move during his first week in office.
The so-called Mexico City policy requires any non-governmental organization to agree before receiving U.S. funds that they will "neither perform nor actively promote abortion as a method of family planning in other nations."
It is also known as the "global gag rule," because it prohibits taxpayer funding for groups that even talk about abortion if there is an unplanned pregnancy.
The policy was first instituted by President Ronald Reagan in 1984 and continued by President George H.W. Bush. The policy was reversed by President Bill Clinton in 1993, and re-instated by President George W. Bush in 2001.
Both Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who will oversee foreign aid, had promised to do away with the gag rule during the presidential campaign. Clinton is to visit the U.S. Agency for International Development, through which much U.S. foreign aid is disbursed, later on Friday.
Organizations that had pressed Obama to make the abortion-ban change were jubilant.
"Women's health has been severely impacted by the cutoff of assistance. "President Obama's actions will help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies, abortions and women dying from high-risk pregnancies because they don't have access to family planning," said Tod Preston, a spokesman for Population Action International, an advocacy group.
Anti-abortion groups criticized the move.
"President Obama not long ago told the American people that he would support policies to reduce abortions, but today he is effectively guaranteeing more abortions by funding groups that promote abortion as a method of population control," said Douglas Johnson, legislative director of the National Right to Life Committee.
Obama has spent his first days in office systematically signing executive orders reversing Bush administration policies on issues ranging from foreign policy to government operations. On Thursday, he signed three executive orders to rein in secretive U.S. counterterror policies and end harsh interrogations.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/23/obama-lift-ban-overseas-abortion-funding/
Obama is really really worry about what you think Coach ::)
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Typical Republican. Angry, closet homo, drug addict.
With the world riding Obama's nuts the guy could be president longer than FDR if possible.
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Listen to what Alex Jones has to say about Obama.
(all over youtube)
It's SCARY!
:o
Why would a Vegas lounge singer comment on obama?
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Obama is really really worry about what you think Coach ::)
This would assume some sort of cognition on Coach's part. Bold statement, my friend. Bold statement. ;D
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This would assume some sort of cognition on Coach's part. Bold statement, my friend. Bold statement. ;D
Hahahaa, I fu#@ed up ,sorry about that Chimp ;D
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Good for him. Every woman has a right to terminate her pregnancy if she so wishes. And don't give me the standard 'It's a human life', The Coach - while the fetus is in the mother's womb, it's not an independent entity that has rights like an existing individual does. The female carries and nurtures it (willingly or not) and therefore gets to decide whether she wishes to continue playing host or not.
i agree
I really enjoy your new style of posting "kiwiol" :)
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Threads like this ALWAYS bring out the true character of liberals.
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that negro's fucking shit up bad.
closing of guantanamo is a very very bad idea. if for nothing else, it'll make those at the other end of US missile attacks more fearless, which is never a good thing.
also, his economic advisor reich or whatever his last name is should've used better words than "the economic stimulus should not go to white male construction workers".
as for the abortion thing, it'll get reversed with the next repub president, so it's no biggie. SLUTS GET YOUR CUTS!!!
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But at this rate only the 3rd day in office and he's proven to be not only living up to being the biggest liberal in congress, but possibly the biggest lib in presidential history. Not only that, he's signed a death warrant for millions of babies. Screw him.
President Obama on Friday lifted a ban on federal funding for international groups that promote or perform abortions, reversing a policy of his predecessor, George W. Bush.
Obama signed the executive order one day after the 36th anniversary of the landmark Roe v. Wade Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion in all 50 states.
Liberal groups welcomed the decision while abortion rights foes criticized the president, who was long expected to make this move during his first week in office.
The so-called Mexico City policy requires any non-governmental organization to agree before receiving U.S. funds that they will "neither perform nor actively promote abortion as a method of family planning in other nations."
It is also known as the "global gag rule," because it prohibits taxpayer funding for groups that even talk about abortion if there is an unplanned pregnancy.
The policy was first instituted by President Ronald Reagan in 1984 and continued by President George H.W. Bush. The policy was reversed by President Bill Clinton in 1993, and re-instated by President George W. Bush in 2001.
Both Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who will oversee foreign aid, had promised to do away with the gag rule during the presidential campaign. Clinton is to visit the U.S. Agency for International Development, through which much U.S. foreign aid is disbursed, later on Friday.
Organizations that had pressed Obama to make the abortion-ban change were jubilant.
"Women's health has been severely impacted by the cutoff of assistance. "President Obama's actions will help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies, abortions and women dying from high-risk pregnancies because they don't have access to family planning," said Tod Preston, a spokesman for Population Action International, an advocacy group.
Anti-abortion groups criticized the move.
"President Obama not long ago told the American people that he would support policies to reduce abortions, but today he is effectively guaranteeing more abortions by funding groups that promote abortion as a method of population control," said Douglas Johnson, legislative director of the National Right to Life Committee.
Obama has spent his first days in office systematically signing executive orders reversing Bush administration policies on issues ranging from foreign policy to government operations. On Thursday, he signed three executive orders to rein in secretive U.S. counterterror policies and end harsh interrogations.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/23/obama-lift-ban-overseas-abortion-funding/
Coach, do you have memories of your mothers womb? Why do you complain about AFDC but you want to force them to have their children?
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Abortion is muder.
The child feels the pain. You can see it screaming in films etc. Silent scream.
I dare you to google image abortion. Horrific
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Damnit I thought this thread was going to be about rampage
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go fuck jesus in the ass you wig wearing hump :)
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Abortion is muder.
The child feels the pain. You can see it screaming in films etc. Silent scream.
I dare you to google image abortion. Horrific
There is a general trend in areas where abortion has been introduced and that is that as abortions went up, crime rate went down. Abortions are done early most of the time and the only time they are done when the baby is fully developed is if the mothers life is in danger. Why should a woman not be allowed to have control over her body. Are they suppose to let her just die? What about if the baby isn't developing correctly? Are we suppose to let it remain under government care (which the coach hates because government is evil) and let it go to a special ed school where it can be taunted by other children? Why should someone be forced to be born with a birth defected body? You make it sound as if people are having unprotected sex and then waiting for the third trimester to abort the baby.
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Abortion is muder.
The child feels the pain. You can see it screaming in films etc. Silent scream.
I dare you to google image abortion. Horrific
Just to give you an idea, most middle eastern countries are more lenient on abortion laws then Americans. Even women in the middle east who are "oppressed" are allowed to decide for themselves.
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Not to worry. obama can't order as many babies killed with a scalpel, as bush did with napalm.
Why don't hardliners ever care about late term abortions?
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You're such an idiot.
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Not to worry. obama can't order as many babies killed with a scalpel, as bush did with napalm.
Your coment shows your ignorance. Pres Bush protected the US from terrorists. His tough stance made the terrorists think before they came after us again. That's much dif than killing unborn babies. Think before you write.
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instead of whining about shit that aint none of your concern(what a woman does with HER body) why dont you go adopt some unwanted kids you sawed off midget >:(
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You don't condemn torture or putting people into secret prisons without trail, yet you want to strip women of a very important civil liberty.
It's like Kiwiol said. A mother plays host to a fetus and if she doesn't want to bear the sacrifice, then no one should force her.
I know rational thinking isn't your strong point, you useless midget, but try and understand.
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But at this rate only the 3rd day in office and he's proven to be not only living up to being the biggest liberal in congress, but possibly the biggest lib in presidential history. Not only that, he's signed a death warrant for millions of babies. Screw him.
President Obama on Friday lifted a ban on federal funding for international groups that promote or perform abortions, reversing a policy of his predecessor, George W. Bush.
Obama signed the executive order one day after the 36th anniversary of the landmark Roe v. Wade Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion in all 50 states.
Liberal groups welcomed the decision while abortion rights foes criticized the president, who was long expected to make this move during his first week in office.
The so-called Mexico City policy requires any non-governmental organization to agree before receiving U.S. funds that they will "neither perform nor actively promote abortion as a method of family planning in other nations."
It is also known as the "global gag rule," because it prohibits taxpayer funding for groups that even talk about abortion if there is an unplanned pregnancy.
The policy was first instituted by President Ronald Reagan in 1984 and continued by President George H.W. Bush. The policy was reversed by President Bill Clinton in 1993, and re-instated by President George W. Bush in 2001.
Both Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who will oversee foreign aid, had promised to do away with the gag rule during the presidential campaign. Clinton is to visit the U.S. Agency for International Development, through which much U.S. foreign aid is disbursed, later on Friday.
Organizations that had pressed Obama to make the abortion-ban change were jubilant.
"Women's health has been severely impacted by the cutoff of assistance. "President Obama's actions will help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies, abortions and women dying from high-risk pregnancies because they don't have access to family planning," said Tod Preston, a spokesman for Population Action International, an advocacy group.
Anti-abortion groups criticized the move.
"President Obama not long ago told the American people that he would support policies to reduce abortions, but today he is effectively guaranteeing more abortions by funding groups that promote abortion as a method of population control," said Douglas Johnson, legislative director of the National Right to Life Committee.
Obama has spent his first days in office systematically signing executive orders reversing Bush administration policies on issues ranging from foreign policy to government operations. On Thursday, he signed three executive orders to rein in secretive U.S. counterterror policies and end harsh interrogations.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/23/obama-lift-ban-overseas-abortion-funding/
Man... you know coach. I don't know what to say to you to get through. I have written and deleted about 5 different responses right now. You are just so God damn dumb that im at a loss of words right now. Congratulations!! I am speechless :)
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Good for him. Every woman has a right to terminate her pregnancy if she so wishes. And don't give me the standard 'It's a human life', The Coach - while the fetus is in the mother's womb, it's not an independent entity that has rights like an existing individual does. The female carries and nurtures it (willingly or not) and therefore gets to decide whether she wishes to continue playing host or not.
EXACTLY.
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Just to give you an idea, most middle eastern countries are more lenient on abortion laws then Americans. Even women in the middle east who are "oppressed" are allowed to decide for themselves.
If they dont want to murder a child keep their legs closed.
Just my opinion mate. I believe its wrong. And none of this my body my choice nonsense...it is their responsibility.
Abortion is murder
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The baby feels the pain when it gets destroyed by forceps
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Won't be long until girls start having abortions to sell fetuses for stem cell research. :)
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Your coment shows your ignorance. Pres Bush protected the US from terrorists. His tough stance made the terrorists think before they came after us again. That's much dif than killing unborn babies. Think before you write.
::) ::)
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The baby feels the pain when it gets destroyed by forceps
It's a slab meat living off a host.. Once it's out then it is a different story, but during pregnancy it isn't a human being or even an independent organism.
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If they dont want to murder a child keep their legs closed.
Just my opinion mate. I believe its wrong. And none of this my body my choice nonsense...it is their responsibility.
Abortion is murder
Yea, because abstinence works so well ::). Who wants to be raised in a family where they aren't wanted, or possibly raised without a fully functional body. Well i think it is wrong that you force someone to live a life of pain.
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Your coment shows your ignorance. Pres Bush protected the US from terrorists. His tough stance made the terrorists think before they came after us again. That's much dif than killing unborn babies. Think before you write.
hahahahah, oh brother, epic Fox news hypnotism. ::)
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If they dont want to murder a child keep their legs closed.
Just my opinion mate. I believe its wrong. And none of this my body my choice nonsense...it is their responsibility.
Abortion is murder
Do you believe its ok to refuse to help out countries that disagree with your opinion on this? Not to give them money even if there are starving children or entire families dying of diseases we could easily cure?
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The baby feels the pain when it gets destroyed by forceps
I didn't know you could feel pain without a nervous system.
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Yea, because abstinence works so well ::). Who wants to be raised in a family where they aren't wanted, or possibly raised without a fully functional body. Well i think it is wrong that you force someone to live a life of pain.
adoption. Plent are desperate for babies.
Also the baby does feel pain. It is reliant on its mother.
Just my 2 cents. I dont agree at all. Its playing God.
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To believe its ok to refuse to help out countries that disagree with your opinion on this. Not to give them money even if there are starving children or entire families dying of diseases we could easily cure?
Are you trying to say Goudy needs to keep his mouth closed and that you "believe" it is wrong for him to speak? ;D
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adoption. Plent are desperate for babies.
Also the baby does feel pain. It is reliant on its mother.
Just my 2 cents. I dont agree at all. Its playing God.
Well if it is playing God then why do you get a flu shot? Why do we use modern science to help us do anything. You know next time you get sick or you have a loved one get sick just let them die.... otherwise we would be "playing God" wouldn't we ::)
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Are you trying to say Goudy needs to keep his mouth closed and that you "believe" it is wrong for him to speak? ;D
I'll let him speak for himself. I can say unequivocally that Coach is missing a few intelligence genes due to random mutation.
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Abortion is muder.
The child feels the pain. You can see it screaming in films etc. Silent scream.
I dare you to google image abortion. Horrific
Don't believe everything you see in the movies, Goudy. A fetus is not a child (it's not even a baby until it's born) anymore than an egg is a chicken. Induced abortions are done early in the stage of pregnancy unless it's an exceptional case where it's necessary in order to save the mother's life like Leafy has pointed out. At that stage, the developing embryo does have some limited capacity of perception and sensation but nothing that is the equivalent of an individual's.
People who say abortion is evil and should be outlawed aren't going to support the child once it's born or even care what happens to it from then on - it's just their point of view that is important to them and they let it override the fact that having a child is a lifelong commitment and the most demanding and draining one at that. When you say people shouldn't abort just because you are empathizing with the unborn embryo, I'm tempted to ask how you feel after the child is born. If the parents can't afford to raise it for whatever reason, would you step in and help out financially or in other ways? Of course not.
People should be more concerned about all the orphans out there who have already been born and help out, rather than dictate or worry about what a woman can and cannot do with the unborn inside her. By default the majority of us don't want to terminate pregnancies, but in a lot of cases the woman gets pregnant at a time that doesn't suit her for whatever reason. If so, she has every right to make that decision.
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No but seriously just my 2 cents its wrong IMO and i wish it was illegal in most places like it is here in Ireland
Those examples are helping life. Not destroying it.
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I'll let him speak for himself. I can say unequivocally that Coach is missing a few intelligence genes due to random mutation.
Are you trying to say that the neurotransmitters in coach's brain move about as fast as level one on pong?
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I'll let him speak for himself. I can say unequivocally that Coach is missing a few intelligence genes due to random mutation.
somewhere along the line he got sucked into the whole neo-conservative movement when REAL conservatism has nothing to do with the CLOWNS like Bush who pass themselves off as conservatives, true conservatism is about having the SMALLEST government possible and staying out of people's affairs, read up on Barry Goldwater the father of conservatism and he believed the government had no place in abortion, gay rights and all this other bullshit.
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Don't believe everything you see in the movies, Goudy. A fetus is not a child (it's not even a baby until it's born) anymore than an egg is a chicken. Induced abortions are done early in the stage of pregnancy unless it's an exceptional case where it's necessary in order to save the mother's life like Leafy has pointed out. At that stage, the developing embryo does have some limited capacity of perception and sensation but nothing that is the equivalent of an individual's.
People who say abortion is evil and should be outlawed aren't going to support the child once it's born or even care what happens to it from then on - it's just their view that is important to them and override the fact that having a child is a lifelong commitment and the most demanding and draining one at that. When you say people shouldn't abort just because you are empathizing with the unborn embryo, I'm tempted to ask how you feel after the child is born. If the parents can't afford to raise it for whatever reason, would you step in and help out financially or in other ways? Of course not.
People should be more concerned about all the orphans out there who have already been born and help out, rather than dictate or worry about what a woman can and cannot do with the unborn inside her. By default the majority of us don't want to terminate pregnancies, but in a lot of cases the woman gets pregnant at a time that doesn't suit her for whatever reason. If so, she has every right to make that decision.
I appreciate your serious and dignified post mate. Your a good guy. We will both agree to disagree. However i do agree with the orphans who are about already etc. Real shame
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Maybe you were an attempted abortion leafy and thats why you are missing arms ;D
No but seriously just my 2 cents its wrong IMO and i wish it was illegal in most places like it is here in Ireland
Those examples are helping life. Not destroying it.
Helping to raise more future militants for the Catholic/ Protestant conflict?
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Not allowing abortion is Retarded.
No more to i then that fuckers.
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I appreciate your serious and dignified post mate. Your a good guy. We will both agree to disagree. However i do agree with the orphans who are about already etc. Real shame
Goudy, just think of all the thousands of babies your mom has eaten. Awful woman she is. She should be sentenced to death haahahhaha
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If i wasnt raised cathoic i would still disagree. To be honest before we done about abortion in school my views already were it was wrong.
Abortion is not a catholic/protestant issue in Ireland believe it or not. It just ahppens that the Catholic church is a large powerful and vocal opponent of it
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Threads like this ALWAYS bring out the true character of liberals.
Oh horsecrap. I am against abortion. Especially as a form of borth control. But in no way does the federal government have the right to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her own body.
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I'm still waiting for an answer, Goudy
Do you think it's ok for a country to refuse aid because they don't agree with another country's policy on abortion?
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Threads like this ALWAYS bring out the true character of liberals.
LOL. You mean like crypto-Conservatives and their anti-abortion/pro-death penalty broken moral compass thingy? ;)
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To me this is a baby. 22 weeks
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If i wasnt raised cathoic i would still disagree. To be honest before we done about abortion in school my views already were it was wrong.
Abortion is not a catholic/protestant issue in Ireland believe it or not. It just ahppens that the Catholic church is a large powerful and vocal opponent of it
The Catholic Church has a long running history of being correct on the issues. ::)
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To me this is a baby. 22 weeks
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qCdb88Y3Uz8/SJt5vntDeZI/AAAAAAAABOY/-scHXTPeNV4/s1600/abortion_22_weeks01.jpg)
it ain't a baby until it's OUT OF THE PUSSSY, period.
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I'm still waiting for an answer, Goudy
Do you think it's ok for a country to refuse aid because they don't agree with another country's policy on abortion?
sorry. I am not too sure on what you mean. can you clarify lol sorry.
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LOL. You mean like crypto-Conservatives and their anti-abortion/pro-death penalty broken moral compass thingy? ;)
Funny thing is Coach doesn't know the history of Neoconservatism and that is was started by Trotskyists.
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The Catholic Church has a long running history of being correct on the issues. ::)
The church is vocal on its opinion. Similar as you are vocal on yours.
You brough up catholicism on this thread. Not me.
Before i read or learned or was shown about it i disagreed with it.
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I would be a dad if it wans't for abortion so thank god for that.
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I would be a dad if it wans't for abortion so thank god for that.
was the girl def pregnant? did you pay for it?
was it a scam?
Onlyme i remember said he paid for 3 abortions, years later someone said maybe it was a scam just for him to pay lol He remembers being raging for paying out 1800 dollars lol
This is off topic but funny i thought.
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Funny thing is Coach doesn't know the history of Neoconservatism and that is was started by Trotskyists.
Ruuuuuuskies!? That'll have Coach waking up screaming in the night. Might even throw off his golf game. ;D
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it ain't a baby until it's OUT OF THE PUSSSY, period.
what if a baby is born premature at 22 weeks. Is it a baby then?
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sorry. I am not too sure on what you mean. can you clarify lol sorry.
Not a problem. Coach's original post is about how angry he is that Obama reversed a ban for aid (money, food, medicine etc.) that Bush has imposed on any aid relief group that does not agree up front that they will not perform abortions. They literally cannot even provide information on abortion under any circumstances.
Do you think its right to not fund non-profit groups that might also perform abortions or even counsel young women about abortion in addition to feeding starving children, curing them of diseases etc?
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Ruuuuuuskies!? That'll have Coach waking up screaming in the night. Might even throw off his golf game. ;D
He should read a little bit of Francis Fukuyama but he is too stupid to read. Talk radio is his main source of knowledge. I think all those years of cocaine and meth use destroyed his brain.
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He should read a little bit of Francis Fukuyama but he is too stupid to read. Talk radio is his main source of knowledge. I think all those years of cocaine and meth use destroyed his brain.
Ah, The End of History. Remember that from a grad class years ago. He kinda didn't get that right, did he? ;D
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To me this is a baby. 22 weeks
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qCdb88Y3Uz8/SJt5vntDeZI/AAAAAAAABOY/-scHXTPeNV4/s1600/abortion_22_weeks01.jpg)
No one said abortion was aesthetic. It is a hard decision that couples or single women have to endure. It isn't like someone wakes up one day thrilled and says "Hey! Im going to get an abortion!". You don't know the full story behind this photo. The baby might have had a defective heart.
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what if a baby is born premature at 22 weeks. Is it a baby then?
at 22 weeks the baby has very little chance of living a normal life anyway, why prolong the torture for everyone involved?
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Ah, The End of History. Remember that from a grad class years ago. He kinda didn't get that right, did he? ;D
Im not speaking of the End of History. I am speaking about America at a Crossroads and he makes an excellent argument at where America should be headed. He realized that Bush and his cronies were pissing people off around the world and jumped ship. He made the right decision voting for Obama.
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Not to worry. obama can't order as many babies killed with a scalpel, as bush did with napalm.
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To me this is a baby. 22 weeks
thats almost third trimester...abortions are first trimester...nobodies saying to wait untill they are developed...
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thats almost third trimester...abortions are first trimester...nobodies saying to wait untill they are developed...
But you have to understand.... that's what he "believes". I am so sick and tired of people saying what they "believe" or feel. Why not state facts?
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was the girl def pregnant? did you pay for it?
was it a scam?
Onlyme i remember said he paid for 3 abortions, years later someone said maybe it was a scam just for him to pay lol He remembers being raging for paying out 1800 dollars lol
This is off topic but funny i thought.
That is BS, we all know that Onlyme is too fat to be able to have sex ;D
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You don't condemn torture or putting people into secret prisons without trail, yet you want to strip women of a very important civil liberty.
It's like Kiwiol said. A mother plays host to a fetus and if she doesn't want to bear the sacrifice, then no one should force her.
I know rational thinking isn't your strong point, you useless midget, but try and understand.
Good post, especially the part in red. HAHA :D
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ill fry up that 22 week fetus and eat with with some kc masterpiece...
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The Catholic Church has a long running history of being correct on the issues. ::)
the head of the catholic church is a drag queen
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Not a problem. Coach's original post is about how angry he is that Obama reversed a ban for aid (money, food, medicine etc.) that Bush has imposed on any aid relief group that does not agree up front that they will not perform abortions. They literally cannot even provide information on abortion under any circumstances.
Do you think its right to not fund non-profit groups that might also perform abortions or even counsel young women about abortion in addition to feeding starving children, curing them of diseases etc?
To be honest i never read all the original post i just commented on abortion before this escalated. I dont know nor understand much about US politics.
Ok this is my opinion and i am not god or anything like that. Ill try to answer as best i can since you have been patiant etc with me.
I do think we should fund the organisations and also stop abortions and not actively fund abortion groups.
HOWEVER, in places where we have no control or say or influence, e.g africa where abortions may be carried out in dirty alleys or makeshift houses (this happens) with crude unsanitary implements coathangers(this happens ) and where they will always contine then at least they should be performed at the very m,inimum in clean hospiutals funded by the same organisations that are providing the food shelter immunisations etc. If they are going to be done at least should be done safely with the benefit of helping the others.
I do agree that information should be provided and there are care homes set up by e.g catholic church where women opt out of abortion and have the child before giving it up for adoption. In a clean safehouse run by nurses and nuns e.g They should also try to educate as much as possible
Once the child has been aborted there is no bringing it back
I am sure i have left stuff out. Does this make sense. Its a huge issue with so many variables etc...hard to decide
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the head of the catholic church is a drag queen
hahahaha, classic. ;D
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Im not speaking of the End of History. I am speaking about America at a Crossroads and he makes an excellent argument at where America should be headed. He realized that Bush and his cronies were pissing people off around the world and jumped ship. He made the right decision voting for Obama.
Shrewd move. I liked when Chaney was wheeled out and people booed him. I thought it would have been more apt if he had a diamond necklaced white cat on his lap. There isn't sufficient torture for what that guy has done.
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No one said abortion was aesthetic. It is a hard decision that couples or single women have to endure. It isn't like someone wakes up one day thrilled and says "Hey! Im going to get an abortion!". You don't know the full story behind this photo. The baby might have had a defective heart.
it was healthy. i can show you the link
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somewhere along the line he got sucked into the whole neo-conservative movement when REAL conservatism has nothing to do with the CLOWNS like Bush who pass themselves off as conservatives, true conservatism is about having the SMALLEST government possible and staying out of people's affairs, read up on Barry Goldwater the father of conservatism and he believed the government had no place in abortion, gay rights and all this other bullshit.
Again, good post!
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But you have to understand.... that's what he "believes". I am so sick and tired of people saying what they "believe" or feel. Why not state facts?
If he understood the facts then he wouldn't be making such an ass of himself. What really bugs me is that these people are letting their own selfish beliefs guide their opinions, and not fact or even their actual emotions towards needy children.
Like Kiwi said, none of these morons would give two shits once the child was born.
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Again, good post!
Goldwater would be ripping apart republicans way worse than liberals if he were alive today.
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thats almost third trimester...abortions are first trimester...nobodies saying to wait untill they are developed...
abortions are legally performed until the 24th week of pregnancy
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what if a baby is born premature at 22 weeks. Is it a baby then?
It is a baby when it comes out of the mother (naturally or otherwise) AND the umbilical cord connecting it to the mother is severed. Until then it's just living off it's mother who is playing host.
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it was healthy. i can show you the link
Show me the link. Was the mothers life in danger? Who aborts a perfectly healthy baby when there is no risk to the mothers health?
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Another jackass who jumped all over this: ;D
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=260105.0
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Shrewd move. I liked when Chaney was wheeled out and people booed him. I thought it would have been more apt if he had a diamond necklaced white cat on his lap. There isn't sufficient torture for what that guy has done.
Hahaha man i am so sick of politics i can't bare to watch it anymore but i wish i could have seen that. It is my major and 4 years of studying it has literally made me sick to the bones which is why i get angry when fools like the roach start threads and run away when they get flamed.
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true conservatism.. hmm.. this could be debated... conservative in what way ?
theres a cool little thing i like..
authoritarians(control social and economic)
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left(control economic but not social) ------------- right(control social but not economic)
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libertarians(no control over either social or economic)
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Wow, you sure gave him a chance Coach!
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Another jackass who jumped all over this: ;D
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=260105.0
hahaha I forgot about BeachBum.
Where's 240 when you need him? >:(
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Show me the link. Was the mothers life in danger? Who aborts a perfectly healthy baby when there is no risk to the mothers health?
A mother who does not want the child. That is how fickle it can be. Just book an appointmnet in clinic its gone.
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If he understood the facts then he wouldn't be making such an ass of himself. What really bugs me is that these people are letting their own selfish beliefs guide their opinions, and not fact or even their actual emotions towards needy children.
Like Kiwi said, none of these morons would give two shits once the child was born.
And they say liberals are the emotional ones pfffttttt... ::)
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A mother who does not want the child. That is how fickle it can be. Just book an appointmnet in clinic its gone.
Where is that link ;D
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Your link leafy. Scroll down
http://bibleprobe.com/archive/messages/618.html
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Also ignore the religion etc just focus on teh fact it looks like a baby. And was healthy.
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Your link leafy. Scroll down
http://bibleprobe.com/archive/messages/618.html
OMFG BIBLEPROBE IS YOUR SOURCE!?!?!? Where are the medical records? This is a post on a religious board that has had random aborted baby pictures posted. For all you know there was something wrong with the baby.
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A mother who does not want the child. That is how fickle it can be. Just book an appointmnet in clinic its gone.
Do you know somebody who's had an abortion? I assure you that the decision to abort and the consequences of having done so are not as blithe as you seem to believe. :-\
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Sorry ill just fly to america to dig up some medical records ::)
Its more likely it was healthy than unhealthy. It can be assumed with common sense it was healthy. Thats why its so shocking and its being posted.
A Prayer Some of you might like to say.
Oh God, who is the Beginning and the End, hear our prayers as we cry out to you to end the merciless shedding of innocent blood in our nation and throughout the world. Through death you have conquered death and through your life we experience eternal and everlasting life. Cause life to spring forth in the hearts of all people and bring forth a love and respect for life that will dominate our culture. May your kingdom and church apprehend and overtake the culture of death that has prevailed through deceit and selfishness; may the Seed of the woman crush the head of the serpent through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen
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Do you know somebody who's had an abortion? I assure you that the decision to abort and the consequences of having done so are not as blithe as you seem to believe. :-\
Maybe i do. They have not admitted to me or made it known.
I am sure you are correct. However i am also sure it does happen though i understand totally your valid point
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i like the chinese population control rules. have more than 2 kids...your balls get cut off
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Sorry ill just fly to america to dig up some medical records ::)
Its more likely it was healthy than unhealthy. It can be assumed with common sense it was healthy. Thats why its so shocking and its being posted.
A Prayer Some of you might like to say.
Oh God, who is the Beginning and the End, hear our prayers as we cry out to you to end the merciless shedding of innocent blood in our nation and throughout the world. Through death you have conquered death and through your life we experience eternal and everlasting life. Cause life to spring forth in the hearts of all people and bring forth a love and respect for life that will dominate our culture. May your kingdom and church apprehend and overtake the culture of death that has prevailed through deceit and selfishness; may the Seed of the woman crush the head of the serpent through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen
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Sorry ill just fly to america to dig up some medical records ::)
Its more likely it was healthy than unhealthy. It can be assumed with common sense it was healthy. Thats why its so shocking and its being posted.
A Prayer Some of you might like to say.
Oh God, who is the Beginning and the End, hear our prayers as we cry out to you to end the merciless shedding of innocent blood in our nation and throughout the world. Through death you have conquered death and through your life we experience eternal and everlasting life. Cause life to spring forth in the hearts of all people and bring forth a love and respect for life that will dominate our culture. May your kingdom and church apprehend and overtake the culture of death that has prevailed through deceit and selfishness; may the Seed of the woman crush the head of the serpent through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen
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hold on while i dig up a passage from the easter bunnies diary..
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why are you getting so annoyed at me leafy? I am pretty relaxed and calm responding to you.
Did you know someone who had an abortion etc?
The prayer is for catholics. I dont force others to adhere or agree with my beliefs, my beliefs are not secret, they are also not (other than this time) blatant to everyone.
I tried to keep religion away from the topic yet this is the very vehicle you used to perpetuate and prolong your arguements.
A prayer is a prayer. No harm. No need to feel awkward or threatened by it
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6574873.stm
Abortion rates
About 190,000 abortions take place annually in England and Wales. This is nearly a quarter of all pregnancies.
Most abortions are carried out on "healthy" foetuses for social reasons.
The study, however, looked at the outcomes of 3,189 abortions performed between 1995 and 2004 because the foetus had a disability of some kind.
It showed that 102 - or around one in 30 - were born alive
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You may not like Obama, but the hip-hop community loves him haha
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I am off to bed now.
No doubt i will be flamed when i am away lol
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To be honest i never read all the original post i just commented on abortion before this escalated. I dont know nor understand much about US politics.
Ok this is my opinion and i am not god or anything like that. Ill try to answer as best i can since you have been patiant etc with me.
I do think we should fund the organisations and also stop abortions and not actively fund abortion groups.
HOWEVER, in places where we have no control or say or influence, e.g africa where abortions may be carried out in dirty alleys or makeshift houses (this happens) with crude unsanitary implements coathangers(this happens ) and where they will always contine then at least they should be performed at the very m,inimum in clean hospiutals funded by the same organisations that are providing the food shelter immunisations etc. If they are going to be done at least should be done safely with the benefit of helping the others.
I do agree that information should be provided and there are care homes set up by e.g catholic church where women opt out of abortion and have the child before giving it up for adoption. In a clean safehouse run by nurses and nuns e.g They should also try to educate as much as possible
Once the child has been aborted there is no bringing it back
I am sure i have left stuff out. Does this make sense. Its a huge issue with so many variables etc...hard to decide
seems like a sensible opinion. Congrats
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I am off to bed now.
No doubt i will be flamed when i am away lol
nah the easter bunny is on the way
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I am off to bed now.
No doubt i will be flamed when i am away lol
Hey, did ya hear? Apparently, Goudy got sacked. ;D
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What gets louder as it gets smaller?
A baby in a trash compactor.
What's the difference between a truck full of bowling balls and a truck full of dead babies?
You can't unload a truck full of bowling balls with a pitchfork.
What's more fun than stapling babies to a wall?
Ripping them off again.
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what's wrong with your nutsack?
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What's the difference between a baby and a grandmother?
Grandmothers don't die when you fuck them up the ass.
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Goldwater would be ripping apart republicans way worse than liberals if he were alive today.
Exactly correct. "Neo-Conservatism" has little to do with actual Conservatism. Goldwater is shitting his grave over what the Republican Congress and Pres. Bush have done over the last 8 years. The growth of government, govt. spending etc will approach if not match anything that Obama may do in the next 4.
That may be a bit of an overstatement, but I use it to get my point across.
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that negro's fucking shit up bad.
closing of guantanamo is a very very bad idea. if for nothing else, it'll make those at the other end of US missile attacks more fearless, which is never a good thing.
also, his economic advisor reich or whatever his last name is should've used better words than "the economic stimulus should not go to white male construction workers".
as for the abortion thing, it'll get reversed with the next repub president, so it's no biggie. SLUTS GET YOUR CUTS!!!
You get dumber and dumber each month.
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You get dumber and dumber each month.
got a job yet or are you still selling purses on ebay?
wanna compare degrees?
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Coach,
How much money, steroids, and golf equipment would it take for you to leave GetBig and never come back under any circumstances?
Im willing to start receiving donations from the collective members of GetBig immediately.
You are without a doubt the most annoying person on the planet. No wonder women run from you....youre like nails on a fucking chaulk board!
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who gets abortions anyway hood rats trailor trash and rape victims. I say abort them all
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Coach,
How much money, steroids, and golf equipment would it take for you to leave GetBig and never come back under any circumstances?
Im willing to start receiving donations from the collective members of GetBig immediately.
You are without a doubt the most annoying person on the planet. No wonder women run from you....youre like nails on a fucking chaulk board!
He thinks he's one of the few sensible people here and that he's trying to enlighten us. I guess if we acted down to his pathetic level he'd consider leaving. That, or good old benz calling him up again. ;D
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goudy, what would your opinion be if your mother was raped and you learned that she became pregnant?
if you think it is a sin to abort.......would it be a sin to force your mother to have a child? would your resentment toward your "1/2" sibling be a sin? would the fact that your mother would have to be reminded of that rape every time she looked at her child be fair?
some things arent always black and white.......
we know you live on an island, but you cant be that nieve
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He thinks he's one of the few sensible people here and that he's trying to enlighten us. I guess if we acted down to his pathetic level he'd consider leaving. That, or good old benz calling him up again. ;D
hes a fucking puppet with limited vocabulary......and a taste for one sided fact finding on the "internet"......
i still want to run a contest to help name coach when he finally melts and then comes back.....
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i still want to run a contest to help name coach when he finally melts and then comes back.....
AGAIN ::)
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hes a fucking puppet with limited vocabulary......and a taste for one sided fact finding on the "internet"......
i still want to run a contest to help name coach when he finally melts and then comes back.....
He is really some piece of work.. I mean the guy tried to argue against evolution and dinosaurs by referencing fundamentalist christian websites. :-\ Now you know what you're up against.
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He is really some piece of work.. I mean the guy tried to argue against evolution and dinosaurs by referencing fundamentalist christian websites. :-\ Now you know what you're up against.
I picture Coach between training his superstar "clients" with.....
a radio with Rush on it....sitting atop of a tv with the 700 club on mute...
All the info you would ever need ::)
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got a job yet or are you still selling purses on ebay?
wanna compare degrees?
yes i do this is my degree suck on that guy
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got a job yet or are you still selling purses on ebay?
wanna compare degrees?
oh you meant that kind of degree yeah i got that too jigga what
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Your coment shows your ignorance. Pres Bush protected the US from terrorists. His tough stance made the terrorists think before they came after us again. That's much dif than killing unborn babies. Think before you write.
It must be a terrible thing to live in fear.
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bush eats cockmeat
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Your coment shows your ignorance. Pres Bush protected the US from terrorists. His tough stance made the terrorists think before they came after us again.
yes...you are absolutely correct. We have terrorists shaking in their boots ::).....they definitely think twice before blowing themselves up
You have no grasp of the mentality of our enemy.
"Terrorists" one and only ideal is to destroy our way of life.......no threat would ever deter a person that is willing to die for their cause....
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Not only that, he's signed a death warrant for millions of babies. Screw him.
Who cares? Abortion is a non-issue designed to distract from the actual serious issues facing us. Abortion is something for the kids to argue about while the adults decide the important things.
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Who cares? Abortion is a non-issue designed to distract from the actual serious issues facing us. Abortion is something for the kids to argue about while the adults decide the important things.
I think you fit under Mr. Warhawk :)
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Abortion is muder.
The child feels the pain. You can see it screaming in films etc. Silent scream.
I dare you to google image abortion. Horrific
most abortions are done before the nervous system is fully wired or developed, not sure how much embryology you have studied but if done in the early stages of the first trimester it feels no pain, even sometimes into the second trimester.
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I picture Coach between training his superstar "clients" with.....
a radio with Rush on it....sitting atop of a tv with the 700 club on mute...
All the info you would ever need ::)
My thoughts exactly! When is the republican party realize that Rush Limbaugh is a fukin idiot?????? Nevermind.....same people loved Sarah Palin....the biggest idiot we've seen on a political stage in our lifetime... ;D
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"It's a slab of meat"
"It's not a baby until it's out of the Pusssy?"
Man, there are some SERIOUSLY fucked up demented people on here not to mention the rest of the libs who are actually in favor of this.
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I would be a dad if it wans't for abortion so thank god for that.
Your a perfect example of why they should have law against abortion. Obama just signed law to make legal for birth control if you want to get right down to it. If a baby late term and the mother decides she can't handle being a mother, then just kill it? How about adoption?
Your the dumb f**k who had sex with her, if she would have decided to have it would you have ran or take responsibility? Also, she was also the dumb f**k who spread her legs. If she didn't want to risk getting pregnant she should keep her legs shut.
What the matter, is that just too much commonsense for this fucking board?
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Not to worry. obama can't order as many babies killed with a scalpel, as bush did with napalm.
right he will just let botched abortion babies to live out the rest of their life alone and struggling until they die
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Your a perfect example of why they should have law against abortion. Obama just signed law to make legal for birth control if you want to get right down to it. If a baby late term and the mother decides she can't handle being a mother, then just kill it? How about adoption?
Your the dumb f**k who had sex with her, if she would have decided to have it would you have ran or take responsibility? Also, she was also the dumb f**k who spread her legs. If she didn't want to risk getting pregnant she should keep her legs shut.
What the matter, is that just too much commonsense for this fucking board?
Yea.... it is soo common sense it is above all of us and you are the only smart guy here ::). Sex takes two. Why are you putting all the blame and responsibility on the woman? Why are you calling him a dumb fuck? At least he wasn't a big enough of a moron to get addicted to coke and speed. Hell, you have been married 4 times, are a self admitted ex drug addict, and have been abusive to one of your ex wives correct? Looks like you are the idiot.
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I am generally against abortion but I am definitely against late-term abortions. I don't think it is fair to say she was a dumb-fk for spreading her legs...but I don't see any rason for partial birth abortions to be legal.
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At least he wasn't a big enough of a moron to get addicted to coke and speed. Hell, you have been married 4 times, are a self admitted ex drug addict, and have been abusive to one of your ex wives correct? Looks like you are the idiot.
That should be the new Wikipedia definition of " lunatic, hardcore conservative republican of 2008" ...LOL ;D ;D
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I am generally against abortion but I am definitely against late-term abortions. I don't think it is fair to say she was a dumb-fk for spreading her legs...but I don't see any rason for partial birth abortions to be legal.
Mother is raped and by having the baby she has a 20% chance to live? This isn't a good enough reason for you? Why should someone have to lose a mother/ wife/ sister/ friend/ etc because they were raped and a law isn't flexible. This isn't a black and white area.
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coach- its people like you that have fucked the USA up. Not presidents. Dumb country red necks with no brains and no ability to be able to think and operate as a part of a social structure.
maybe you are annoyed about the right to choose because you, yourself were an abortion?
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Coach, if you had a daughter and she was raped and the baby had downs syndrome, you would still be against abortion? Or would you just say to her "should have kept your legs closed, slut?"
I guarantee you if you we're put into the situation some of these women are, you wouldn't be so arrogant/ignorant.
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Mother is raped and by having the baby she has a 20% chance to live? This isn't a good enough reason for you? Why should someone have to lose a mother/ wife/ sister/ friend/ etc because they were raped and a law isn't flexible. This isn't a black and white area.
For a partial birth abortion??? For one it is called the morning after pill if you are raped which stops an egg from implanting. Also you have months and months to go through wiht an abortion. Have you ever read what a partial birth abortion is??
http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/pba/diagram.html
Take a look. At this point the baby can sustain life outside of the womb...I never said a women shouldn't have rights (though I am against it for myself) I understand that in some circumstances it makes sense.
btw they have also been found to have NO impact on the life of the mother when done at this late of a term
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Coach, if you had a daughter and she was raped and the baby had downs syndrome, you would still be against abortion? Or would you just say to her "should have kept your legs closed, slut?"
I guarantee you if you we're put into the situation some of these women are, you wouldn't be so arrogant/ignorant.
you and leafy are completely owning Coach...its hilarious to see his dumb ass dodging around trying to find comebacks.
I guarantee that babies that are born and, for whatever reason arent wanted- or are even not quite loved with every bone in their parent's body- are walking time bombs and more of a risk to society than the moral argument of termination.
theres some angry mofos going around that werent brought up right...we dont want to add to that now do we?...i see abortion as being ultra responsible and having the guts to make a very important, and in many cases difficult decision.
For many people it is very traumatic and something they never forget.
all this crap talk acting like the person who decides is doing it for convenience, or using it as an out..and even worse, like having a person carry a child as punishment for the act of sex....
and you say what is unethical and cruel?
why not bring out the keel haul, lashes, or a good 'ol stoning?...
hey, and if they're black, lets chase 'em with pitchforks!!..yeeee haaaawwww..
USA....USA....USA...USA. ..
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For a partial birth abortion??? For one it is called the morning after pill if you are raped which stops an egg from implanting. Also you have months and months to go through wiht an abortion. Have you ever read what a partial birth abortion is??
http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/pba/diagram.html
Take a look. At this point the baby can sustain life outside of the womb...I never said a women shouldn't have rights (though I am against it for myself) I understand that in some circumstances it makes sense.
btw they have also been found to have NO impact on the life of the mother when done at this late of a term
that pill doesnt always work and you're missing the point. The scenario was brought up as a specific example to show how such an approach applied exclusivley would include many extreme circumstances. And so, the only roll back would be for judgement to be made in each case...and who has the right to make that decision?..answer: no one. On one hand, you want freedom of speech, and right to bear arms and so on..but you dont have right to your own bodies?- you're kidding me, right?...
if the decision cannot be made by a third party, then there's one person left... you.
Its funny about these anti abortion people..they carry on yet dont do anything that is socially worthwhile. I also suspect that none of them have had to either choose, or been involved with a person who has had to- for whatever reason.
like i said, its the responsible thing to do in my opinion. not the opposite.
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What amazes me with so many people is you are faced with so much shit that can affect all of you, yet you are concerned about abortions?!
Religion and politics don't mix.
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What amazes me with so many people is you are faced with so much shit that can affect all of you, yet you are concerned about abortions?!
Religion and politics don't mix.
I am concerned about a lot of "shit" it is good to have beliefs and opinions and stand up for what you believe in. Its kind of what America is all about.
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I am concerned about a lot of "shit" it is good to have beliefs and opinions and stand up for what you believe in. Its kind of what America is all about.
That's fine.
I'm more talking about the hardcore christians who vote for people based solely on their opinions/views on abortions.
Like i said, there are far more relevant things that the average person should be concerned about...
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Coach you are one stupid fucking girl.
If these women didn't have abortions they would just end up having to leech atleast $200,000 of taxpayers money to bring up the child from 0-16. And if the women are prepared to have an abortion it dosen't say much for the kind of upbringing the child would be getting anyway so it's better that they are never brought into the world.
What if a woman is raped, you think she should be forced to have a baby? it's her fucking body you stupid girl, women should 100% have the right to do what they want with it untill it becomes dangerous to their health to have an abortion.
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If they dont want to murder a child keep their legs closed.
what if they are raped you stupid fuck.
But yea i agree women are fucking sluts and that's the reason why they get pregnant for the most part but it still dosen't change the fact that these babies would be better off not even being born.
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Coach you are one stupid fucking ####.
If these women didn't have abortions they would just end up having to leech atleast $200,000 of taxpayers money to bring up the child from 0-16. And if the women are prepared to have an abortion it dosen't say much for the kind of upbringing the child would be getting anyway so it's better that they are never brought into the world.
What if a woman is raped, you think she should be forced to have a baby? it's her fucking body you stupid ####, women should 100% have the right to do what they want with it untill it becomes dangerous to their health to have an abortion.
But you gotta remember man.....that's "playing god" ::)
Hey Coach, taking steroids is playing God.....i guess you are going to hell.
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But you gotta remember man.....that's "playing god" ::)
Hey Coach, taking steroids is playing God.....i guess you are going to hell.
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God is against divorce. Are you against God, The Roach?
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If only Coach's mom believed in abortion :D
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I prefer this one...
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If only Coach's mom believed in abortion :D
I bet every time she hears him speak, she thinks: "Fuck! I should have fuckin' swallowed!"
Seriously, it must hurt having to go through life with such a badly damaged brain. Perhaps Joe wears a helmet when he leaves the house?
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But at this rate only the 3rd day in office and he's proven to be not only living up to being the biggest liberal in congress, but possibly the biggest lib in presidential history. Not only that, he's signed a death warrant for millions of babies. Screw him.
President Obama on Friday lifted a ban on federal funding for international groups that promote or perform abortions, reversing a policy of his predecessor, George W. Bush.
Obama signed the executive order one day after the 36th anniversary of the landmark Roe v. Wade Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion in all 50 states.
Liberal groups welcomed the decision while abortion rights foes criticized the president, who was long expected to make this move during his first week in office.
The so-called Mexico City policy requires any non-governmental organization to agree before receiving U.S. funds that they will "neither perform nor actively promote abortion as a method of family planning in other nations."
It is also known as the "global gag rule," because it prohibits taxpayer funding for groups that even talk about abortion if there is an unplanned pregnancy.
The policy was first instituted by President Ronald Reagan in 1984 and continued by President George H.W. Bush. The policy was reversed by President Bill Clinton in 1993, and re-instated by President George W. Bush in 2001.
Both Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who will oversee foreign aid, had promised to do away with the gag rule during the presidential campaign. Clinton is to visit the U.S. Agency for International Development, through which much U.S. foreign aid is disbursed, later on Friday.
Organizations that had pressed Obama to make the abortion-ban change were jubilant.
"Women's health has been severely impacted by the cutoff of assistance. "President Obama's actions will help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies, abortions and women dying from high-risk pregnancies because they don't have access to family planning," said Tod Preston, a spokesman for Population Action International, an advocacy group.
Anti-abortion groups criticized the move.
"President Obama not long ago told the American people that he would support policies to reduce abortions, but today he is effectively guaranteeing more abortions by funding groups that promote abortion as a method of population control," said Douglas Johnson, legislative director of the National Right to Life Committee.
Obama has spent his first days in office systematically signing executive orders reversing Bush administration policies on issues ranging from foreign policy to government operations. On Thursday, he signed three executive orders to rein in secretive U.S. counterterror policies and end harsh interrogations.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/23/obama-lift-ban-overseas-abortion-funding/
When did you give Obama "a chance"?
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I am concerned about a lot of "shit" it is good to have beliefs and opinions and stand up for what you believe in. Its kind of what America is all about.
No honey, "beliefs" are what have brought this country down in a burning flame this past 8 years. When you say belief you are suggesting taking something as fact without evidence. If you believe there is an invisible man and you stand up for him because you "believe" it is wrong then you are standing up for a useless cause.
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That's fine.
I'm more talking about the hardcore christians who vote for people based solely on their opinions/views on abortions.
Like i said, there are far more relevant things that the average person should be concerned about...
Like the Israelites and funding them to slaughter more Palestinians so we can bring on revelations!!! ;D
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What amazes me with so many people is you are faced with so much shit that can affect all of you, yet you are concerned about abortions?!
Religion and politics don't mix.
Very good point.
What Karl Rove managed to do was to convince a large amount of the working class that moral issues were more important than economy, foreign policy, employment and health care.
Ie, when George W Bush won it was important that abortion was made illegal, gun laws were kept liberal and that schools were allowed to teach that the earth is 6 000 years old.
More so than that the economy were doing good.
How many times were the national economy an issue when Bush ran for re-election?
Karl Rove managed to set the issues brilliant.
The question is whether those moral issues really are more important than the economy of a nation, employment numbers, level of education, infrastructure, et al.
Looking at the mess in New Orleans after Katrina and how roads and bridges are falling apart shows that perhaps infrastructure is important.
And other issues are as well.
Oil dependancy?
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goudy, what would your opinion be if your mother was raped and you learned that she became pregnant?
if you think it is a sin to abort.......would it be a sin to force your mother to have a child? would your resentment toward your "1/2" sibling be a sin? would the fact that your mother would have to be reminded of that rape every time she looked at her child be fair?
some things arent always black and white.......
we know you live on an island, but you cant be that nieve
The baby is not the perpatrator. It is merely the consequence of the horrific act. i do agree though. not everything black and white i am not bright enough or in any position to gie a definative answer on this
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Obama is really really worry about what you think Coach ::)
You're right.
However, Obama should be worried about the 59 million people that didn't vote for him. ;)
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Also yes the chances of the woman getting raped and getting pregnant is so so slim.
If there is a chance the woman will die then yes have anb abortion.
This rape scenario is always tossed up but actually very rarely happens.
Also, when you have sex you know the possible consequences. Its just that the baby is the greatest consequence you can imagine.
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3 days and every alarmist bitch is barfing.
It must real fvcked to be a true conservative these huh? First you get 8 years of the lib Clinton who actually gave us a surplus dispelling much of your lame stereotypes of libs, then you get 8 years of BUSH who pretty much abused your bong hole and turned out be one of the founding fathers of American socialism, then you get the MOST LIBERAL president ever elected.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHA
how do you feel inside? Warm and fuzzy? ;D
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Yea.... it is soo common sense it is above all of us and you are the only smart guy here ::). Sex takes two. Why are you putting all the blame and responsibility on the woman? Why are you calling him a dumb fuck? At least he wasn't a big enough of a moron to get addicted to coke and speed. Hell, you have been married 4 times, are a self admitted ex drug addict, and have been abusive to one of your ex wives correct? Looks like you are the idiot.
Holy shit, are you really that stupid that you can't even stay on the subject? All I've read out of your skinny adolecent ass is shot's against me with nothing to contribute. Take your Arkansas inbred ass to another board. Punk.
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Coach married 4 times? :o
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First you get 8 years of the lib Clinton who actually gave us a surplus dispelling much of your lame stereotypes of libs, then you get 8 years of BUSH who pretty much abused your bong hole and turned out be one of the founding fathers of American socialism,
Coach this post is 4 U! :-*
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Holy shit, are you really that stupid that you can't even stay on the subject? All I've read out of your skinny adolecent ass is shot's against me with nothing to contribute. Take your Arkansas inbred ass to another board. Punk.
Every time you speak, your mom slaps her forehead and wishes she had swallowed instead. What an enormous favour she would have done mankind...
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Mother is raped and by having the baby she has a 20% chance to live? This isn't a good enough reason for you? Why should someone have to lose a mother/ wife/ sister/ friend/ etc because they were raped and a law isn't flexible. This isn't a black and white area.
you are exactly right there is no black and white when it comes to abortion but I think that there should be tougher laws when it comes to abortion. Personally I am against. There are too many contraceptives out there right now for someone to be stupid and use abortion as birth control. When a woman and man make a choice to have sex without any protection then they should have to live with those choices, I am not against the morning after pill. And by the way I am not a crazy Christian either I am an Atheist so this has nothing to do with religion or any thing like that. My fiance got pregnant I was 21 and she was 22 we have a great son now I was way to young for a kid but we manage. I dont think that is should be outlawed but I do think that there should be tougher enforcement on what is allowed and what is not.
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Holy shit, are you really that stupid that you can't even stay on the subject? All I've read out of your skinny adolecent ass is shot's against me with nothing to contribute. Take your Arkansas inbred ass to another board. Punk.
Watch your mouth peck!
Sadly this "inbred Arkansan" is better educated than you.
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Like the Israelites and funding them to slaughter more Palestinians so we can bring on revelations!!! ;D
So Israelis are criminals yet, Iran and Hamas who admit to target civilian targets as their primary targets are saints?
You are a moron, seriously.
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So Israelis are criminals yet, Iran and Hamas who admit to target civilian targets as their primary targets are saints?
You are a moron, seriously.
If you actually knew and understood the history of the Palestinian/ Israeli conflict you would know how idiotic you sound. Both sides have dropped low but remember it was the British and Jews who were the cause of this. I never said they were saints. You put those words in my mouth. Use your fucking brain and not your emotions. You might actually be right for once.
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No honey, "beliefs" are what have brought this country down in a burning flame this past 8 years. When you say belief you are suggesting taking something as fact without evidence. If you believe there is an invisible man and you stand up for him because you "believe" it is wrong then you are standing up for a useless cause.
excellent, and very accurate post. kudos!..
as an outsider, we've been watching in amazement as the US imploded... now's the time to challenge all of these "rights" that are more trouble than they were originally intended, or thought to result in.
time to scale them back and not hang on the literal interpretation and also to give up just some little itty bitty pieces of the liberty that has created the mess.
its not really a big ask..it is however a mature, responsible, logical and rational way forward- thats why i think its going to be tough for the US to drag itself back.
sorry to be cynical but we do know that at least half the population are below average intelligence, its almost like a slow motion train wreck....
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you are exactly right there is no black and white when it comes to abortion but I think that there should be tougher laws when it comes to abortion. Personally I am against. There are too many contraceptives out there right now for someone to be stupid and use abortion as birth control. When a woman and man make a choice to have sex without any protection then they should have to live with those choices, I am not against the morning after pill. And by the way I am not a crazy Christian either I am an Atheist so this has nothing to do with religion or any thing like that. My fiance got pregnant I was 21 and she was 22 we have a great son now I was way to young for a kid but we manage. I dont think that is should be outlawed but I do think that there should be tougher enforcement on what is allowed and what is not.
hang on..you support the morning after pill, but not abortion?...
and you think that abortion is used as birth control?
and retribution for a passionate act is to bring up a child until it is an adult?
Do we see the logic here?..it seems to be a repeating theme throughout this thread.
Whilst we have the righteous anti abortionists, they have zero answers for the consequences "forcing" other people's opinions on others will have to society. The probability that this practice would initiate itself through generations of unloved children is much higher than that of the pro rights sociology.
So how do you want it?...you want a responsible society, and to force through the consequences of irresponsible acts?...
rofl.
this is hilarious. its even funnier that some people just cant think beyond one concept.
i suppose its scary.
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hang on..you support the morning after pill, but not abortion?...
and you think that abortion is used as birth control?
and retribution for a passionate act is to bring up a child until it is an adult?
Do we see the logic here?..it seems to be a repeating theme throughout this thread.
Whilst we have the righteous anti abortionists, they have zero answers for the consequences "forcing" other people's opinions on others will have to society. The probability that this practice would initiate itself through generations of unloved children is much higher than that of the pro rights sociology.
So how do you want it?...you want a responsible society, and to force through the consequences of irresponsible acts?...
rofl.
this is hilarious. its even funnier that some people just cant think beyond one concept.
i suppose its scary.
I don't support the morning after pill, although I do think that it is a better choice than abortion.
I think alot of the time its used as an easy way out of a stupid act.
Maybe if people were more responsible we would not be having this conversation, but they are not. I don't call a one night stand passion.
I do not force my opinions on anyone and I am not righteous by any means. I think that the adoption laws should be relaxed alot you have so many stable couples who want kids but cant have them yet they have to go to forgein countries to adopt. maybe if it were easier then we would see less abortions, I doubt it though these are the same people who can kill an unborn innocent child but not a convicted murderer. Now that is the scary part.
For all of you who say that the child is not living while in the womb, when you can hear a heartbeat its living. I remember seeing my sons ultrasound late 1st trimester he was alive. Just because he is surviving by the mother doesn't change this. Because She cannot take responsibility for her stupid actions doesn't change this either.
I can think beyond one concept I didn't say it should be illegal I said it should be regulated way more than it is. Do you honestly think that making it very easy to get an abortion will make people more or less responsible as a whole?
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Good for him. Every woman has a right to terminate her pregnancy if she so wishes. And don't give me the standard 'It's a human life', The Coach - while the fetus is in the mother's womb, it's not an independent entity that has rights like an existing individual does. The female carries and nurtures it (willingly or not) and therefore gets to decide whether she wishes to continue playing host or not.
They might have the right BUT DO I HAVE TO FUCKING PAY FOR IT?Especially if the skank lives in another country?By the way,if its al all up to the women,then why should the man have to pay child care?Let her do it then if its a one person show.By the way,its a 25,000 dollar fine for smashing a bald eagles egg.Why?Its not an eagle.
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Good for him. Every woman has a right to terminate her pregnancy if she so wishes. And don't give me the standard 'It's a human life', The Coach - while the fetus is in the mother's womb, it's not an independent entity that has rights like an existing individual does. The female carries and nurtures it (willingly or not) and therefore gets to decide whether she wishes to continue playing host or not.
Thats fine, but I dont want to pay for it. We have enough problems without taxpayer money going to abortions or groupsd that promote abortion.
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Thats fine, but I dont want to pay for it. We have enough problems without taxpayer money going to abortions or groupsd that promote abortion.
How much goes? Is it a drop in the bucket compared to other programs that are a complete waste?
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How much goes? Is it a drop in the bucket compared to other programs that are a complete waste?
It all adds up.
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They might have the right BUT DO I HAVE TO FUCKING PAY FOR IT?Especially if the skank lives in another country?By the way,if its al all up to the women,then why should the man have to pay child care?Let her do it then if its a one person show.By the way,its a 25,000 dollar fine for smashing a bald eagles egg.Why?Its not an eagle.
they are facing extinction, terrible example.
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It all adds up.
I donno man, Does the cost of these clinics out weigh the cost of the welfare and general aid needed for the resulting unwanted babies?
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I donno man, Does the cost of these clinics out weigh the cost of the welfare and general aid needed for the resulting unwanted babies?
You are assuming that these people will voluntarily be sterilized. Did you ever think that they want the kids because they get more money and/or dont care??????
If it were me, I would have anyone on any type of welfare in a work camp or on some type of work program where they had to show up every day for 8 hours doing all types of jobs.
Enough is enough.
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You are assuming that these people will voluntarily be sterilized. Did you ever think that they want the kids because they get more money and/or dont care??????
If it were me, I would have anyone on any type of welfare in a work camp or on some type of work program where they had to show up every day for 8 hours doing all types of jobs.
Enough is enough.
I'm not assuming anything regarding sterilization. I'm just saying that if you outlaw abortions or cut off funding, you will see a rise in unwanted births which will increase the burden on other types of aid and will likely cost much more in the long run than the funding for these abortion clinics.
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Put these people to work and we will solve a lot of the problem.
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Put these people to work and we will solve a lot of the problem.
what about when they ages 0-16? That's the cost I'm talking about. You take someone who already can't support themselves and they have a baby they will receive aid.
And put them to work where? Been watching the news lately? Burger flippers having a hard time finding work.
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what about when they ages 0-16? That's the cost I'm talking about. You take someone who already can't support themselves and they have a baby they will receive aid.
And put them to work where? Been watching the news lately? Burger flippers having a hard time finding work.
Picking up trash, painting over graffitii, helping seniors get to doctor appointments, there are endless things they can do.
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Picking up trash, painting over graffitii, helping seniors get to doctor appointments, there are endless things they can do.
I like it. At least we will get something for the money
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I like it. At least we will get something for the money
We would save a fortune by making them perform these functions and give them some sense of dignity and responsibility.
There is no dignity in sitting at home in a housing project.
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You don't condemn torture or putting people into secret prisons without trail, yet you want to strip women of a very important civil liberty.
It's like Kiwiol said. A mother plays host to a fetus and if she doesn't want to bear the sacrifice, then no one should force her.
I know rational thinking isn't your strong point, you useless midget, but try and understand.
Wow Camel Very smart!!
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Oh good lord, goudy's pics are lovely, but not indicative of what choice is. And what a stupid pic that was.
The prob is, in african countries women die very often from childbirth. Not like here. Malnourishment, HIV, etc. Prof Warren has made huge bucks off the backs of women with his PR packages, that promote only abstinence. So, no condoms, no anything, only abstinence. No money, which is going there anyway, not to help anyone excepting those who have no sex, and have no access to condoms. Yes, that'll work. ::)
Like that will happen when people are poor and have only rape, pillaging and no knowlege of how things might chnage. The African bucks are there whether you like it or not. They are just there. it's just a matter of how they are applied. The US prefers to "treat" HIV rather than help, based on abstinence only Christian teachings, when other African countries who don't give lots o money to Warren, do okay by handing out condoms. And educating women. And men. No, raping a virgin won't make you imune. ::)
PS for all those who are so against late term abortions, it's been out-lawed for plenty of years. If'n yer gonna be outraged, at least be edumacated. And if yer so against abortion, then it applies no matter what. Ifn yer wife might go blind, then so what. At least be honest.
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Oh good lord, goudy's pics are lovely, but not indicative of what choice is. And what a stupid pic that was.
PS for all those who are so against late term abortions, it's been out-lawed for plenty of years. If'n yer gonna be outraged, at least be edumacated. And if yer so against abortion, then it applies no matter what. Ifn yer wife might go blind, then so what. At least be honest.
Hmmm, maybe do more research next time??
The United States Supreme Court decisions on abortion, including Roe v. Wade, allow states to impose more restrictions on post-viability abortions than during the earlier stages of pregnancy.
As of April 2007, 36 states had bans on late-term abortions that were not facially unconstitutional (i.e. banning all abortions) or enjoined by court order.[16] In addition, the Supreme Court in the case of Gonzales v. Carhart ruled that Congress may ban certain late-term abortion techniques, "both previability and postviability".
Some of the 36 state bans are believed by pro-choice organizations to be unconstitutional.[17][18]The Supreme Court has held that bans must include exceptions for threats to the woman's life, physical health, and mental health, but four states allow late-term abortions only when the woman's life is at risk; four allow them when the woman's life or physical health is at risk, but use a definition of health that pro-choice organizations believe is impermissibly narrow.[16] Assuming that one of these state bans is constitutionally flawed, then that does not necessarily mean that the entire ban would be struck down: "invalidating the statute entirely is not always necessary or justified, for lower courts may be able to render narrower declaratory and injunctive relief."[19]
Also, 13 states prohibit abortion after a certain number of weeks' gestation (usually 24 weeks).[16] The U.S. Supreme Court held in Webster v. Reproductive Health Services that a statute may create "a presumption of viability" after a certain number of weeks, in which case the physician must be given an opportunity to rebut the presumption by performing tests.[20] Therefore, those 13 states must provide that opportunity. Because this provision is not explicitly written into these 13 laws, as it was in the Missouri law examined in Webster, pro-choice organizations believe that such a state law is unconstitutional, but only "to the extent that it prohibits pre-viability abortions".[17]
Ten states require a second physician to approve.[16] The U.S. Supreme Court struck down a requirement of "confirmation by two other physicians" (rather than one other physician) because "acquiescence by co-practitioners has no rational connection with a patient's needs and unduly infringes on the physician's right to practice".[21] Pro-choice organizations such as the Guttmacher Institute therefore interpret some of these state laws to be unconstitutional, based on these and other Supreme Court rulings, at least to the extent that these state laws require approval of a second or third physician.[16]
Nine states have laws that require a second physician to be present during late-term abortion procedures in order to treat a fetus if born alive.[16] The Court has held that a doctor's right to practice is not infringed by requiring a second physician to be present at abortions performed after viability in order to assist in saving the life of the fetus.[22]