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Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban
The Ban Expired in 2004 During the Bush Administration.
By JASON RYAN
WASHINGTON, Feb. 25, 2009
The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today.
Wednesday Attorney General Eric Holder said that the Obama administration will seek to reinstitute the assault weapons ban which expired in 2004 during the Bush administration.
(AP Photos/ABC News Graphic )"As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons," Holder told reporters.
Holder said that putting the ban back in place would not only be a positive move by the United States, it would help cut down on the flow of guns going across the border into Mexico, which is struggling with heavy violence among drug cartels along the border.
"I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum." Holder said at a news conference on the arrest of more than 700 people in a drug enforcement crackdown on Mexican drug cartels operating in the U.S.
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A State Department travel warning issued Feb. 20, 2009, reflected government concerns about the violence.
"Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades," the warning said. "Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico, but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez."
At the news conference today, Holder described his discussions with his Mexican counterpart about the recent spike in violence.
"I met yesterday with Attorney General Medina Mora of Mexico, and we discussed the unprecedented levels of violence his country is facing because of their enforcement efforts," he said.
Holder declined to offer any time frame for the reimplementation of the assault weapons ban, however.
"It's something, as I said, that the president talked about during the campaign," he said. "There are obviously a number of things that are -- that have been taking up a substantial amount of his time, and so, I'm not sure exactly what the
Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban
The Ban Expired in 2004 During the Bush Administration.
SHARE In a brief interview with ABC News, Wayne LaPierre, president of the National Rifle Association, said, "I think there are a lot of Democrats on Capitol Hill cringing at Eric Holder's comments right now."
During his confirmation hearing, Holder told the Senate Judiciary Committee about other gun control measures the Obama administration may consider.
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The Assault Weapons Ban signed into law by President Clinton in 1994 banned 19 types of semi-automatic military-style guns and ammunition clips with more than 10 rounds.
"A semi-automatic is a quintessential self-defense firearm owned by American citizens in this country," LaPierre said. "I think it is clearly covered under Heller and it's clearly, I think, protected by the Constitution."
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HOPE & CHANGE BITCHES!
IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!
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Keep writing your congressmen gents...it's only going to get worse.
My Congressional representative hasn't written me back yet, but my Senator did. I'm going to keep bugging him.
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Keep writing your congressmen gents...it's only going to get worse.
My Congressional representative hasn't written me back yet, but my Senator did. I'm going to keep bugging him.
I will say it again to:
Lurker
240
Staw
Benny "Knee Pads"
Salpper
Liberalismo
Hugo
I HOPE ZERO IS A FAILURE AND FAILS MISERABLY IN EVERYTHING HE DOES.
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Keep writing your congressmen gents...it's only going to get worse.
My Congressional representative hasn't written me back yet, but my Senator did. I'm going to keep bugging him.
I cant wait to see how the "knee pad crew" tries to explain this garbage away like everything else we have seen.
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Exactly.
I guess this means I need to go ahead and get the Remingtion 870 Supermag that I have been eyeing for almost a month now. This is truly getting out of hand. I have already written my representative twice on this issue. People just don't understand that gun control only hurts the law abiding citizens.
I mean come on. With all of this economic mess Obama is ASKING for more gun control? Absurd.
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Get everything you can now. Its a better investment than almost anything else right now.
Come on you liberal knee pad fan boys, explain this garbage to us . . . . . . .
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Get everything you can now. Its a better investment than almost anything else right now.
Come on you liberal knee pad fan boys, explain this garbage to us . . . . . . .
Hahahahahahahaha...That's what I'm waiting for.
Yeah, I will do my best to scrounge up everything right now. I'm already ordering ammo by the case; I really wish that I had bought more ammo cans at the gun show this past weekend. Prices weren't bad on guns either...wish I would have grabbed another pistol and shotty.
I'm so glad I didn't vote for the guy...I still honestly gave him a chance. I hope he gets his facts straight about the flow of guns into Mexico, semi automatics, and "assault rifles". Once again, for a guy that I know is a very intelligent man; he sure is ignorant on a lot of issues!!!
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Hahahahahahahaha...That's what I'm waiting for.
Yeah, I will do my best to scrounge up everything right now. I'm already ordering ammo by the case; I really wish that I had bought more ammo cans at the gun show this past weekend. Prices weren't bad on guns either...wish I would have grabbed another pistol and shotty.
I'm so glad I didn't vote for the guy...I still honestly gave him a chance. I hope he gets his facts straight about the flow of guns into Mexico, semi automatics, and "assault rifles". Once again, for a guy that I know is a very intelligent man; he sure is ignorant on a lot of issues!!!
I warned everyone before the election and was laughed at then, and even now by the knee pad club.
Again: I ask any one of you clowns
What is an "assault rifle"??????????????
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I will say it again to:
Lurker
240
Staw
Benny "Knee Pads"
Salpper
Liberalismo
Hugo
I HOPE ZERO IS A FAILURE AND FAILS MISERABLY IN EVERYTHING HE DOES.
Agree,I want him to fail at EVERYTHING he does,including his marriage to that yard ape.
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Agree,I want him to fail at EVERYTHING he does,including his marriage to that yard ape.
No comment.
But serious, this jerk is going to cause a revolution and a backlash he really cant afford right now.
WTF is wrong with him and holder?
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Holder said that putting the ban back in place would not only be a positive move by the United States, it would help cut down on the flow of guns going across the border into Mexico, which is struggling with heavy violence among drug cartels along the border.
"I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum." Holder said at a news conference on the arrest of more than 700 people in a drug enforcement crackdown on Mexican drug cartels operating in the U.S.
Who is Holder trying to Kid? Banning weapons is not going to stop anything from going back and forth across the boarder... Another hopeless attempt to scare someone. What a freaking loser.
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Who is Holder trying to Kid? Banning weapons is not going to stop anything from going back and forth across the boarder... Another hopeless attempt to scare someone. What a freaking loser.
Another thing - citizens cant buy fully auto weapons or armour piercing bullets. He is lying just like everything that comes from Obama's admn. Its one decitful lie after the next.
Why dont the ATF do their freaking job and go after the dealers who are supplying the cartels instead of the citizens???
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Another thing - citizens cant buy fully auto weapons or armour piercing bullets. He is lying just like everything that comes from Obama's admn. Its one decitful lie after the next.
Why dont the ATF do their freaking job and go after the dealers who are supplying the cartels instead of the citizens???
exactly how is selling semi automatic rifles in the US effecting the drug trade in mexico? I like how he so non chelauntly says "there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons" fuck this guy and now fuk obama I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt or at least a little bit of time to see but this is horseshit man.I would really love to hear those other few changes they would like to make. ::)
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exactly how is selling semi automatic rifles in the US effecting the drug trade in mexico? I like how he so non chelauntly says "there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons" fuck this guy and now fuk obama I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt or at least a little bit of time to see but this is horseshit man.I would really love to hear those other few changes they would like to make. ::)
Oh really???? Check this out . HR 45 by Bobby Rush look it up.
They want to tax ammo
Ban private sales
Ban pump shotguns
Ban semi-auto rifles
Register all ammo
Etc etc.
Obama is a tyrant and dictator wannabe.
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Hey, this all sounds like a great plan to stop criminals from getting guns. If criminals have to register all their guns, they will be easy to catch and get back onto the welfare rolls. Then we can give them $$$ and they won't need to commit crime.
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Oh really???? Check this out . HR 45 by Bobby Rush look it up.
They want to tax ammo
Ban private sales
Ban pump shotguns
Ban semi-auto rifles
Register all ammo
Etc etc.
Obama is a tyrant and dictator wannabe.
I was agreeing with you hahah LOL
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this is how the pendulum swings, fellahs.
dems get into office and install social programs and the anti-gun stuff.
the swing voters in the middle (who suddenly have more jobs... 206k in florida, almost 400k in cali) become middle class and don't need to vote dem anymore.
So, in 2012 or 2016, there is a shift. repubs gain more seats. that same web awareness that let everyone know Bush's lies will tell of the anti-2nd amendment stuff as well.
it's a pendulum. it has to swing so neither party runs the country. the neocons would have 95% of population working for peanuts, while 5% reigned.... the libs would have 100% of population on the same income with no self defense means... choose your poison.
I'll be voting libertarian in 2010 and 2012 once again. I certainly see the need to rebuild the US middle class that Bush decimated, and I certainly don't agree with gun controls. Pendulum will swing back, and this could be the start of big anti-obama sentmiment among swing voters in the south. If this bill had come out on nov 1st, would obama have won FL?
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I told you so.
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this is how the pendulum swings, fellahs.
dems get into office and install social programs and the anti-gun stuff.
the swing voters in the middle (who suddenly have more jobs... 206k in florida, almost 400k in cali) become middle class and don't need to vote dem anymore.
So, in 2012 or 2016, there is a shift. repubs gain more seats. that same web awareness that let everyone know Bush's lies will tell of the anti-2nd amendment stuff as well.
it's a pendulum. it has to swing so neither party runs the country. the neocons would have 95% of population working for peanuts, while 5% reigned.... the libs would have 100% of population on the same income with no self defense means... choose your poison.
I'll be voting libertarian in 2010 and 2012 once again. I certainly see the need to rebuild the US middle class that Bush decimated, and I certainly don't agree with gun controls. Pendulum will swing back, and this could be the start of big anti-obama sentmiment among swing voters in the south. If this bill had come out on nov 1st, would obama have won FL?
First off stop the libertarian bull shit bro, you voted obama if you really voted libertarian you would have campaigned for that base instead of obama the reason you bring it up again now and prefaced it during the election was to give you a way out when obama started to flop...
Secondly the problem is when they institute a gun ban its a foot in the door and just like you see here when they try and do it again they try to add to it. Sooner or later there will be nothing to add to b/c all guns will be illegal one little tiny step at a time.
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I don't agree with reinstating the Assault weapons ban either.
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I don't agree with reinstating the Assault weapons ban either.
This one is not the same as the first one BTW. This one seeks to ban all semi-auto's.
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This one is not the same as the first one BTW. This one seeks to ban all semi-auto's.
That's what the first one did.
No one's going to take away my Ak47.
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That's what the first one did.
No one's going to take away my Ak47.
no no. The first one banned high cap. mags, bayonettes, collapsible stocks, and other bells and whsitles.
This one goes much much further.
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you voted obama
You're free to say that. I have just as much proof that you gave 4 guys blowjobs at a truck stop glory hole this morning.
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You're free to say that. I have just as much proof that you gave 4 guys blowjobs at a truck stop glory hole this morning.
Your mom was pissed about taking over her work station, wasn't she?
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no no. The first one banned high cap. mags, bayonettes, collapsible stocks, and other bells and whsitles.
This one goes much much further.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban
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Your mom was pissed about taking over her work station, wasn't she?
hi, 333386's gimmick
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hi, 333386's gimmick
If you want to engage me, do it directly.
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hi, 333386's gimmick
240, you need to ... oh wait.... let me switch to my 333386 account......
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Register ammo? Bullshit.
Rifles? If I want a rifle to protect my home so what.
Dems should focus in on the dirt bag criminals and make sure they stay off the streets rather than punish law abiding citizens who want to own rifles for protection, sport, or whatever.
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If you want to engage me, do it directly.
sorry, i meant he was tony's gimmic. defending tony.
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Exactly...the guy just has no clue.
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sorry, i meant he was tony's gimmic. defending tony.
Well if someone supports someone else, then they MUST be their gimmick.
Yup, no doubt about it....
240 is Hugos gimmick.
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240 is Hugos gimmick.
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240 - YES OR NO?
Is this a smart political move by the brilliant Harvard genius lawyer Obama?
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Register ammo? Bullshit.
Rifles? If I want a rifle to protect my home so what.
Dems should focus in on the dirt bag criminals and make sure they stay off the streets rather than punish law abiding citizens who want to own rifles for protection, sport, or whatever.
I agree with you , also there's people who do use guns for hunting food , maybe not moreso than using a gun for protection but still ..
With the economic issues , it's now going to be an issue to "hunt" your food ::)
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ROTFL--- Yes, I think these geniuses got the idea from Chris Rock who once suggested in a stand up routine that you should charge people based on how many bullets are in the gun that's recovered- If you get caught with an unloaded gun= no jail time. One bullet: 20 years, Two bullets: life
lol - I think Obama is going to get Lil Wayne and TI to be military advisors- I mean, they know a lot about guns, so they should be helping lead the army right?
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You're free to say that. I have just as much proof that you gave 4 guys blowjobs at a truck stop glory hole this morning.
really did i rant and rave about how great that was and defend his everymove while never mentioning the alternative and that i was secretly against it. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOO DIP SHIT DUMB ASS your analogy makes no fuking sense just like your ignorant claim you voted barr even though you campaigned for obama ::) real believable.
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240 - YES OR NO?
Is this a smart political move by the brilliant Harvard genius lawyer Obama?
smart in terms of keeping congressional control? No.
necessary in terms of the pendulum? yep.
He'll fight to make it a gun-free america. Then repubs will get back in and fight to make it the wild west. This is how they roll.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban
it never banned semi autos only specific attributes that actually did nothing to make the gun any less deadly, just a little less scary looking
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smart in terms of keeping congressional control? No.
necessary in terms of the pendulum? yep.
He'll fight to make it a gun-free america. Then repubs will get back in and fight to make it the wild west. This is how they roll.
Again everytime they pass a bill against guns they go further and further a pendulum doesnt get stronger and stronger with time it gets weaker this is not a pendulum its a constant move to one side brain child
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Again everytime they pass a bill against guns they go further and further a pendulum doesnt get stronger and stronger with time it gets weaker this is not a pendulum its a constant move to one side brain child
we'll just have to disagree here then, shirley.
Guns were aplenty during Bush 1.
Clinton passed that POS brady bill, and things got tight.
The bill sunsetted in 2004, and it was open market to load up on rifles and high caps.
2009, obama may get his shitty bill.
In 2019, it will sunset, or it will be overturned on the campaign promises of a 2012 or 2016 candidate.
1980 - 1994 awesome for gun owners.
1994 - 2004 shitty for gun owners
2004-2010 great for gun owners
who knows after that. it's a pendulum, princess
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we'll just have to disagree here then, shirley.
Guns were aplenty during Bush 1.
Clinton passed that POS brady bill, and things got tight.
The bill sunsetted in 2004, and it was open market to load up on rifles and high caps.
2009, obama may get his shitty bill.
In 2019, it will sunset, or it will be overturned on the campaign promises of a 2012 or 2016 candidate.
1980 - 1994 awesome for gun owners.
1994 - 2004 shitty for gun owners
2004-2010 great for gun owners
who knows after that. it's a pendulum, princess
you fail to see the difference brain child when the reps get back on power things go back to normal or a baseline they dont push for less legislation like fully automatic guns to be legalized they simply push to repeal the ignorance of the left. When the left gets in they push to surpass the last bill they were able to get passed, You see the difference? its a constant move to the left not a fuking pendulum ::) Sooner or later the baseline moves further and further left get it now jack ass
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you fail to see the difference brain child when the reps get back on power things go back to normal or a baseline they dont push for less legislation like fully automatic guns to be legalized they simply push to repeal the ignorance of the left. When the left gets in they push to surpass the last bill they were able to get passed, You see the difference? its a constant move to the left not a fuking pendulum ::) Sooner or later the baseline moves further and further left get it now jack ass
Yup, this is evident from looking at everything in politics from the last 30 years.
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I doubt this new AWB will have a sunset clause. Maybe the Dems don't want Congressional control anymore.
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I was at the shooting range and the guy there said that guns sales have trippled since the election. I'm glad i bought my ar-15 last year. Looking to get a semi-auot 12 gauge though. Mexico has had so many problems that the ban on assault weapons wouldn't do anything. Mexico is corrupt as hell. Prez needs to chill the fuck out and leave us alone with our guns.
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i know many mex gangs have been stocking up with US arms, and that the MEX govt is in danger of actually falling to these modern day 'warlords'. Yes, it's that bad there. We sure can't afford to have a corrupt power take over down there. We'll have millions of refugees flooding the borders, them exporting cocaine by the ton overseas, etc etc.
I can see the need to limit what is sold to ppl in Mex. I cannot see the need to limit what Americans can buy or own.
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BUMP
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There's no reason for anyone to own an Assault Weapon...its not something you go hunting with. Personally, I think its a great idea to put back in place... ::)
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There's no reason for anyone to own an Assault Weapon...its not something you go hunting with. Personally, I think its a great idea to put back in place... ::)
What is an assault weapon?
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What is an assault weapon?
Exactly, it would seem to me anything that shoots a bullet could be considered and assault weapon. I have a AR-15 that shoots .556 or .223 ammo or hand guns that shoot .45 or 9mm but the AR-15 is an assault weapon, why? Because it looks scary like a military weapon
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What is an assault weapon?
Its a weapon specifically designed for assault operations...a weapon designed specifically for military purposes and not for general purposes such as hunting, home protection, or sport.
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Its a weapon specifically designed for assault operations...a weapon designed specifically for military purposes and not for general purposes such as hunting, home protection, or sport.
Really? Was Lee Harvey Oswalds' half ass bolt action rifle an assault weapon?
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Its a weapon specifically designed for assault operations...a weapon designed specifically for military purposes and not for general purposes such as hunting, home protection, or sport.
Really? How can you tell the difference? Shotguns are used in the military, as well as bolt action rifles. Lets not forget the trusty side arm, should all 9mm hand guns be banned? Maybe all 12ga. shotguns? Bolt action rifles? Hell maybe we should ban knives since the military uses those to.
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Really? Was Lee Harvey Oswalds' half ass bolt action rifle an assault weapon?
Lee Harvey Oswald was a weapon....he was a U.S Marine. He could have built his own weapon if he wanted to.
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Lee Harvey Oswald was a weapon....he was a U.S Marine. He could have built his own weapon if he wanted to.
So then we should ban Marines? I don't see where you are trying to go with this
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Lee Harvey Oswald was a weapon....he was a U.S Marine. He could have built his own weapon if he wanted to.
::) ::)
I am a 2nd Degree in the martial art I train (been training since 16 y/o in various arts). Should I be banned since I to am a weapon? LMAO.
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Really? How can you tell the difference? Shotguns are used in the military, as well as bolt action rifles. Lets not forget the trusty side arm, should all 9mm hand guns be banned? Maybe all 12ga. shotguns? Bolt action rifles? Hell maybe we should ban knives since the military uses those to.
A shotgun is traditionally used for hunting, the military uses a modified shotgun round in a shotgun.
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A shotgun is traditionally used for hunting, the military uses a modified shotgun round in a shotgun.
Modified round? 00 buck is not a modified round neither is a sabot round, I can by either at the local gander mountain. Any weapon that fires a projectile is a multipurpose weapon, let me tell you I would rather be shot with a 9mm hand gun than a 12 Ga with 00 buck at close range.
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So then we should ban Marines? I don't see where you are trying to go with this
There's no reason for any manufacturer to produce a weapon specifically designed for military and/or combat applications to be sold to civilians who are not in the military. Being formally in the military, I've used these weapons and I know that they should not be available to everyone due to the amount of damage they can inflict.
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There's no reason for any manufacturer to produce a weapon specifically designed for military and/or combat applications to be sold to civilians who are not in the military. Being formally in the military, I've used these weapons and I know that they should not be available to everyone due to the amount of damage they can inflict.
Oh really, what weapons did you use that inflicts so much damage?
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There's no reason for any manufacturer to produce a weapon specifically designed for military and/or combat applications to be sold to civilians who are not in the military. Being formally in the military, I've used these weapons and I know that they should not be available to everyone due to the amount of damage they can inflict.
Really? Can you tell me the % of crime committed with so called assault weapons as opposed to other weapons?
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Oh really, what weapons did you use that inflicts so much damage?
For starters, the M-60 automatic weapon, the A2, etc. There's a number of weapons out there that can deal a great deal of damage in a very short period of time.
The 2nd Amendment was written in 1791 however at the time, there wasn't any automatic weapons or even semiautomatics. There were nothing but flintlock pistols, muskets, blunderbus and rifles. The law is antiquated and needs to be overhauled for the present times to deal with weapons that can wipe out a large number of people in mere seconds.
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Really? Can you tell me the % of crime committed with so called assault weapons as opposed to other weapons?
Who cares, is there any good reason for someone to own an assault weapon???
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For starters, the M-60 automatic weapon, the A2, etc. There's a number of weapons out there that can deal a great deal of damage in a very short period of time.
The 2nd Amendment was written in 1791 however at the time, there wasn't any automatic weapons or even semiautomatics. There were nothing but flintlock pistols, muskets, blunderbus and rifles. The law is antiquated and needs to be overhauled for the present times to deal with weapons that can wipe out a large number of people in mere seconds.
Oh fuck you. No wonder you like Obama. TYPICAL.
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Who cares, is there any good reason for someone to own an assault weapon???
It does matter. Again - tell me the % of crimes committed with "assault weapons" you seek to ban?
For leftist progressive tyrants like yourself, crime is not the issue, controlling people is.
If we wanted to stamp out the majority o violent crime, taking away AR's from white people wont do a damn thing and you know it. it makes far leftist morons feel good yes, but do a damn thing about crime? no.
If you want to really combat violent crime - we have mandatory work requirements for 8-10 hours a day by a small segment of the population who commits the overwhelming amount of violent crime in this society.
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Oh fuck you. No wonder you like Obama. TYPICAL.
I don't like ANY POLITICAN. Maybe if you spent a few years in the military or in law enforcement, you would understand where I'm coming from so fuck you too.
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I don't like ANY POLITICAN. Maybe if you spent a few years in the military or in law enforcement, you would understand where I'm coming from so fuck you too.
Again FUCK YOU.
The US Const supercedes your crap beliefs.
I dont give a rats ass about "law enforcement" and what they want. Personally, 90% or better of cops and law enforcement I have met are pieces of fucking trash who without the badge and gun are pussies and bitches.
AGAIN - TELL ME THE % OF VIOLENT CRIME COMMITTED WITH "ASSAULT WEAPONS"
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For starters, the M-60 automatic weapon, the A2, etc. There's a number of weapons out there that can deal a great deal of damage in a very short period of time.
The 2nd Amendment was written in 1791 however at the time, there wasn't any automatic weapons or even semiautomatics. There were nothing but flintlock pistols, muskets, blunderbus and rifles. The law is antiquated and needs to be overhauled for the present times to deal with weapons that can wipe out a large number of people in mere seconds.
Wow, hate to tell you this but I can't go down to the local gun shop and pick up an M60, a Ma Deuce, or a A2 grenade launcher. Yeah there are a lot of weapons that can do a great amount of damage in short time, so what? To even touch and fully automatic weapon you have to have an FFL that allows for NFA weapons.
Your second paragraph is the biggest bunch of horse shit I think I have ever read. It is apparent you have no understanding of the constitution or the purpose of the amendments. Its thinking like this that has set this country on the course of destruction that it is on.
And by the way the British managed to conquer most of the known world with flint lock pistols and muskets.
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I don't like ANY POLITICAN. Maybe if you spent a few years in the military or in law enforcement, you would understand where I'm coming from so fuck you too.
First of all, what branch did you serve in? And don't think I won't vet your ass, because it isn't hard to do. Being in the military or law enforcement has no bearing on anyone "understanding" where you are coming from. A gun or any weapon for that matter is an inadament object, it can't go out and shoot someone on its own. Maybe you should be little more concerned with the human element.
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Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban
The Ban Expired in 2004 During the Bush Administration.
By JASON RYAN
WASHINGTON, Feb. 25, 2009
LOL! Obama sure moves slowly.
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Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban
The Ban Expired in 2004 During the Bush Administration.
By JASON RYAN
WASHINGTON, Feb. 25, 2009
LOL! Obama sure moves slowly.
"Holder said that putting the ban back in place would not only be a positive move by the United States, it would help cut down on the flow of guns going across the border into Mexico, which is struggling with heavy violence among drug cartels along the border.
"I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum." Holder said at a news conference on the arrest of more than 700 people in a drug enforcement crackdown on Mexican drug cartels operating in the U.S. "
Is there even any though put into the statements that are released by these fuck heads?
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holder can SAY the moon is made of cheese.
until the dude DOES something, I'm not gonna worry about it.
that legislation will sink faster than a national ticket with the letters P, A, L, I and N... in no particular order.
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"Holder said that putting the ban back in place would not only be a positive move by the United States, it would help cut down on the flow of guns going across the border into Mexico, which is struggling with heavy violence among drug cartels along the border.
"I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum." Holder said at a news conference on the arrest of more than 700 people in a drug enforcement crackdown on Mexican drug cartels operating in the U.S. "
Is there even any though put into the statements that are released by these fuck heads?
When you are a deranged liberal lunatic and communist traitor, thoughts, logic, and rationality typically don't factor into the equation.
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First of all, what branch did you serve in? And don't think I won't vet your ass, because it isn't hard to do. Being in the military or law enforcement has no bearing on anyone "understanding" where you are coming from. A gun or any weapon for that matter is an inadament object, it can't go out and shoot someone on its own. Maybe you should be little more concerned with the human element.
I served in the Army and worked for Greenville Country and SLED. But my opinion is based on seeing people killed by assault weapons. When I was working in corrections, inmates would tell (brag) about how easy it was to convert a weapon into a fully automatic.
America's love of guns are killing us and we have the highest murder rates by guns in the world. I'm not against owning guns but the guns owned should be of practical use and application.
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I served in the Army and worked for Greenville Country and SLED. But my opinion is based on seeing people killed by assault weapons. When I was working in corrections, inmates would tell (brag) about how easy it was to convert a weapon into a fully automatic.
America's love of guns are killing us and we have the highest murder rates by guns in the world. I'm not against owning guns but the guns owned should be of practical use and application.
::) ::)
Show me some stats and figures cowboy.
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I served in the Army and worked for Greenville Country and SLED. But my opinion is based on seeing people killed by assault weapons. When I was working in corrections, inmates would tell (brag) about how easy it was to convert a weapon into a fully automatic.
America's love of guns are killing us and we have the highest murder rates by guns in the world. I'm not against owning guns but the guns owned should be of practical use and application.
Again you only point out the fact that the criminals are doing illegal shit, what a big surprise. This is the thing that pisses me off most about the left, the people that follow the law, do the right thing are the ones that are penalized, because a percentage of individuals doesn't play be the rules. What good does it do me if the government decides to take away my gun when the criminal gets one anyway via illegal means? All you are doing is disarming law abiding citizens who have the RIGHT to bear arms. Here let me say that again the RIGHT to bear arms.
And again we get this practical use and application non-sense, who exactly is going to decide that?
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
This is all I have to say to the gun grabbers : ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ!
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Keep writing your congressmen gents...it's only going to get worse.
My Congressional representative hasn't written me back yet, but my Senator did. I'm going to keep bugging him.
writing him about what???....about how Obama is trying to save your ass and mine form being more likely to be assaulted and killed by guns?????
THINK
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Again you only point out the fact that the criminals are doing illegal shit, what a big surprise. This is the thing that pisses me off most about the left, the people that follow the law, do the right thing are the ones that are penalized, because a percentage of individuals doesn't play be the rules. What good does it do me if the government decides to take away my gun when the criminal gets one anyway via illegal means? All you are doing is disarming law abiding citizens who have the RIGHT to bear arms. Here let me say that again the RIGHT to bear arms.
And again we get this practical use and application non-sense, who exactly is going to decide that?
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
This is all I have to say to the gun grabbers : ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ!
Amendment 2 was written in 1791....doesn't work well for these times with automatic weapons, and hollow point bullets. Needs an overhaul.
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Amendment 2 was written in 1791....doesn't work well for these times with automatic weapons, and hollow point bullets. Needs an overhaul.
Oh Bullshit, ever seen what a 50 cal musket ball can do? The only thing that needs an over haul is the progressive mind.
And while we are on the subject of Amendments, should the 1st Amendment be over hauled to? I be your answer will be no because, well you agree with that one ::)
Oh and more people die every year in auto accidents than are killed with guns, you better get on the car ban bandwagon ::)
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Where are the stats?
We all know what it will show.
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Where are the stats?
We all know what it will show.
Chicago is prime example of the anti-gun BS falling flat on its face. Hell they banned hand guns, I could turn on the news any night and hear of at least 4 people being shot. But wait I thought hand guns were banned? Geee, how about that criminals don't obey the laws. So all they accomplished by the law was preventing law abiding citizens from protecting themselves. Fucking brilliant progressive thinking ::)
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Chicago is prime example of the anti-gun BS falling flat on its face. Hell they banned hand guns, I could turn on the news any night and hear of at least 4 people being shot. But wait I thought hand guns were banned? Geee, how about that criminals don't obey the laws. So all they accomplished by the law was preventing law abiding citizens from protecting themselves. Fucking brilliant progressive thinking ::)
vince, andre, mal, and the rest of the ostriches don't want to accept what almost all sensible people know to be the truth.
Hint - white guys with AR's are the least of our problems when it comes to gun violence.
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vince, andre, mal, and the rest of the ostriches don't want to accept what almost all sensible people know to be the truth.
Hint - white guys with AR's are the least of our problems when it comes to gun violence.
I see the problem is that the left wants to blame an indament object, instead of addressing the issue that some people are just bad/evil and don't give a shit about someone else's life. These people need to be scrapped like a broken toaster, not stuck in prison. They just come out worse than when they went in.
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I see the problem is that the left wants to blame an indament object, instead of addressing the issue that some people are just bad/evil and don't give a shit about someone else's life. These people need to be scrapped like a broken toaster, not stuck in prison. They just come out worse than when they went in.
I have seen stats that f you excluded the black/hispanic population from crime stats, the USA would have stats almost like Europe and Japan with regard to violent crime.
I really dnt give a rats ass if the ostriches call me racist or whatever, the facts are the facts, the overwhelming amount of crime in this nation is committed by a small segment of the population.
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LOL i remember some guy on the G&O talking about our lack of gun control laws who was from brazil who have stronger gun control laws and much more violence.
The problem vince is that criminals arent going to follow the laws, THATS WHY THEIR CRIMINALS!!!
so effectively the only ppl your limiting are the law abiding individuals which arent the ppl the laws are meant to target...
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Vince doesn't care about crime. Its not about that at all.
Again how many crimes are committed w aks and ars ? Where are the stats on that?
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Vince doesn't care about crime. Its not about that at all.
Again how many crimes are committed w aks and ars ? Where are the stats on that?
not just that but fully automatic ak's and ar's?
LMFAO
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LOL i remember some guy on the G&O talking about our lack of gun control laws who was from brazil who have stronger gun control laws and much more violence.
The problem vince is that criminals arent going to follow the laws, THATS WHY THEIR CRIMINALS!!!
so effectively the only ppl your limiting are the law abiding individuals which arent the ppl the laws are meant to target...
But we are missing the point. The ban is for assault weapons...not every weapon and I'm saying that certain weapons should never be in the hands of people.
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Again - fuck you w your nanny state commie shit.
Provide the stats for the amount of crimes committed w aks and ars or stfu.
We all know who committs the overwhelming amount of violent crime and what they use.
Gun control for leftists like yourself has nothing to do w crime at all, but disarming the public.
Shove it up your ass and focus on who actually commits the violent crime in this nation.
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But we are missing the point. The ban is for assault weapons...not every weapon and I'm saying that certain weapons should never be in the hands of people.
NO SIR, YOURE MISSING THE POINT!!!
are automatic weapons illegal for the vast majority of ppl?
YES...
do ppl still get their hands on them?
YES, and according to you quit a bit...even though there isnt any proof of that.
what about guns like the m1a vince thats not an assault rifle but a semi automatic rifle. Would you ban that as well?
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Vince like other leftists and far left progressive dopes, have not a clue on this and their opinion is grossly clouded by politics.
Its not about crime for people like vince - but disarming people like myself.
If vince were serious about crime - he would focus on who commits the violent gun crimes and what they use.
Hint for vince - they don't reside in north dakota, and they don't use ars or aks.
Btw the way fool - a bolt action deer rifle is probably more deadly than an ar in the right hands.
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vince, andre, mal, and the rest of the ostriches don't want to accept what almost all sensible people know to be the truth.
Hint - white guys with AR's are the least of our problems when it comes to gun violence.
really??....ever hear of COLUMBINE???..how about the white guy who walked into a McDonalds in California and killed 18-21 people???..in your insipid mind, white guys do nothing wrong
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But we are missing the point. The ban is for assault weapons...not every weapon and I'm saying that certain weapons should never be in the hands of people.
Whats the difference between an assault weapon, say and AR 15 which is a semi automatic weapon and a Glock with a 20 round clip? capacity is about the same and a Glock is much easier to conceal than an AR 15 or an AK 47. Let me tell you what I think, the left chooses to demonize one weapon because it looks like a military weapon. How much more damage does a .223 round do more than a 9mm or .45? Your argument is emotion driven with no basis in fact, reality, or ballistics.
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NO SIR, YOURE MISSING THE POINT!!!
are automatic weapons illegal for the vast majority of ppl?
YES...
do ppl still get their hands on them?
YES, and according to you quit a bit...even though there isnt any proof of that.
what about guns like the m1a vince thats not an assault rifle but a semi automatic rifle. Would you ban that as well?
Unfortunately, no not all of them. The biggest problem is these air guns that are built exactly like the actual weapons to the point where a few components bought from the internet would convert them over to the real thing. That's why they are so popular these days
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Unfortunately, no not all of them. The biggest problem is these air guns that are built exactly like the actual weapons to the point where a few components bought from the internet would convert them over to the real thing. That's why they are so popular these days
WTF? Are you nuts, you go ahead and change a few components in an air gun and try to shoot live ammo out of it. Let me know how much of your hand and face are left
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No one can possible be this stupid to now blame air guns.
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No one can possible be this stupid to now blame air guns.
Apparently you can just change out a few components and have a real firearm ::) In the army and a police officer? No wonder he is neither any longer
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WTF? Are you nuts, you go ahead and change a few components in an air gun and try to shoot live ammo out of it. Let me know how much of your hand and face are left
I checked an M16 one out at a store one time and I was surprised that it had the same metal frame and construction as the one I used in the Army. It was not plastic. Add the bolt action mechanism and a few other parts and it would be ready to shoot live ammunition. That's why these AirSoft guns are so popular. Its more expensive to convert one over but you can get the instructions and the extra parts on the internet quite easily and there would not be any record of it.
I'm sure the FBI is quite aware of this
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I see the problem is that the left wants to blame an indament object, instead of addressing the issue that some people are just bad/evil and don't give a shit about someone else's life. These people need to be scrapped like a broken toaster, not stuck in prison. They just come out worse than when they went in.
why do you make everything in your life a leftist issue??....the U.S. has the highest murder rate in the world in terms of gun violence....no other civilized country is even close......we need to curb gun use and automatic weapons serve no purpose in the hands of the general population
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Again - fuck you w your nanny state commie shit.
Provide the stats for the amount of crimes committed w aks and ars or stfu.
We all know who committs the overwhelming amount of violent crime and what they use.
Gun control for leftists like yourself has nothing to do w crime at all, but disarming the public.
Shove it up your ass and focus on who actually commits the violent crime in this nation.
every time you disagree with a policy that is reasonable you say the same thing over and over "show me the stats"..then when you are shown the stats and they don't go in your favor, you ignore them and say they aren't legit and then you continue your rant....I have yet to see you do an about-face on ANY issue whatsoever...you simply spout nonsense and continue to believe it even in the face of all evidence saying your point of view is invalid
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why do you make everything in your life a leftist issue??....the U.S. has the highest murder rate in the world in terms of gun violence....no other civilized country is even close......we need to curb gun use and automatic weapons serve no purpose in the hands of the general population
I don't, but never had a conservative try to take my guns. No we don't need to curb anything, the second amendment gives me, the law abiding citizen the right to bear arms. You never see the anti-gun crowd trying to amend the constitution, no they try to unconstitutional legislate around it. And where exactly are all these automatic weapons that are so easy to obtain? Last time I checked you have to go through all kinds of back ground checks, get special licensing....... to get an automatic weapon. Oh thats right CRIMINALS are converting semi automatic weapons. So yet again we are right back to the human factor.
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I checked an M16 one out at a store one time and I was surprised that it had the same metal frame and construction as the one I used in the Army. It was not plastic. Add the bolt action mechanism and a few other parts and it would be ready to shoot live ammunition. That's why these AirSoft guns are so popular. Its more expensive to convert one over but you can get the instructions and the extra parts on the internet quite easily and there would not be any record of it.
I'm sure the FBI is quite aware of this
Dude get the fuck out of here, that is the most ridiculous shit I have ever heard. You can only buy an AR 15 lower receiver through and FFL. And you expect me to believe I can drive down to the local air soft shop and buy one? Again get the fuck out of here, you know as much about firearms as a caveman does about computers.
So you were in the Army? What exactly did you do in the army, I can guarantee you it wasn't an armorer.
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Dude get the fuck out of here, that is the most ridiculous shit I have ever heard. You can only buy an AR 15 lower receiver through and FFL. And you expect me to believe I can drive down to the local air soft shop and buy one? Again get the fuck out of here, you know as much about firearms as a caveman does about computers.
So you were in the Army? What exactly did you do in the army, I can guarantee you it wasn't an armorer.
Wrong again. The parts are not hard to get because its the most common weapon out there being that its the designated weapon of the military. Of course a person like you would argue to death otherwise.... ::)
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Unfortunately, no not all of them. The biggest problem is these air guns that are built exactly like the actual weapons to the point where a few components bought from the internet would convert them over to the real thing. That's why they are so popular these days
LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF!!!
LITERALLY...
youve got to be shitting me right???
seriously vince show me some articles on that...
so first it was automatic weapons being used all the time and now that you cant back that up you go to air guns that are being converted into real guns?
HAHAHHAHA FUKING REALLY???
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Show me the stats vince and andre or stfu.
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Wrong again. The parts are not hard to get because its the most common weapon out there being that its the designated weapon of the military. Of course a person like you would argue to death otherwise.... ::)
Yeah right, the government wants to regulate the shit out of assault weapons, but they are going to just forget that you can take an airsoft gun and convert it to a fully functional AR15 ::) I would say you are dumber than a box of rocks, but I wouldn't want to insult boxes of rocks. You don't know a fucking thing about weapons, so the odds of you being anything other than a cook in the military is slim to none. So I will ask again what exactly did you do in the Army? You seem to not want to answer that question, and it is pertinent since you are trying to use that as the basis of your "expertise" on the subject. Service dates, MOS, awards and medals...... active duty or national guard? Or you could just produce a DD214.
Oh and before I forget, and airsoft gun doesn't have a firing pin, so please dazzle me with you bullshit on how a few component changes are going to turn a paintball gun into a fully automatic death dealing machine of destruction ::)
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How many crimes are committed by assault weapons.
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Yeah right, the government wants to regulate the shit out of assault weapons, but they are going to just forget that you can take an airsoft gun and convert it to a fully functional AR15 ::) I would say you are dumber than a box of rocks, but I wouldn't want to insult boxes of rocks. You don't know a fucking thing about weapons, so the odds of you being anything other than a cook in the military is slim to none. So I will ask again what exactly did you do in the Army? You seem to not want to answer that question, and it is pertinent since you are trying to use that as the basis of your "expertise" on the subject. Service dates, MOS, awards and medals...... active duty or national guard? Or you could just produce a DD214.
Oh and before I forget, and airsoft gun doesn't have a firing pin, so please dazzle me with you bullshit on how a few component changes are going to turn a paintball gun into a fully automatic death dealing machine of destruction ::)
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You're demanding to see my DD214?? Would you also like my social security number too???
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You're demanding to see my DD214?? Would you also like my social security number too???
You can easily blank out and personal information, you claim military service as your basis for your expertise on weapons back it up. Better yet why don't you go ahead and "convert" and airsoft gun to a real weapon, and video you firing it the first time. I'm sure everyone here would enjoy watching you blow your hand off.
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You can easily blank out and personal information, you claim military service as your basis for your expertise on weapons back it up. Better yet why don't you go ahead and "convert" and airsoft gun to a real weapon, and video you firing it the first time. I'm sure everyone here would enjoy watching you blow your hand off.
lol that is literally one of the funniest things ive read on here...
taking airsoft guns and turning them into real guns
LMFAO
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You are talking to an obama supporter - what do you expect?
Vince - what percentage of gun crimes are commited w ars aks and semi auto long rifles?
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You are talking to an obama supporter - what do you expect?
Vince - what percentage of gun crimes are commited w ars aks and semi auto long rifles?
What difference does it make, most people that are going to commit a crime use a hand gun, a Glock for instance. High capacity and concealable. The only reason the so called assault weapon is singled out is because it looks military/scary.
Besides anyone who has ever fired a weapon on full auto knows that hitting shit isn't that easy, unless you have a stable platform.
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Like I said - gun control for most extreme leftists lkike vince has nothing at all to do w crime but instead disarming people like myself who statiscally commit a fraction of overall crime.
The funny thing too is that a good deer rifle scoped in is probably more deadly than an ar since you can hit people from so far away - you could probably get away w it.
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http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature%20Articles/0900GUIC/Guns%20Used%20in%20Crime.htm
How often are assault weapons used in crime?
Little information exists about the use of assault weapons in crime. The information that does exist uses varying definitions of assault weapons that were developed before the Federal assault weapons ban was enacted.
In general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use. An assault weapon can be a pistol, a rifle, or a shotgun. The Federal Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 bans the manufacture and sale of 19 specific assault weapons identified by make and manufacturer. It also provides for a ban on those weapons that have a combination of features such as flash suppressors and grenade launchers. The ban does not cover those weapons legally possessed before the law was enacted. The National Institute of Justice will be evaluating the effect of the ban and reporting to Congress in 1997.
In 1993 prior to the passage of the assault weapons ban, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF), reported that about 1% of the estimated 200 million guns in circulation were assault weapons. Of the gun tracing requests received that year by ATF from law enforcement agencies, 8% involved assault weapons.
Assault weapons and homicide
A New York State Statistical Analysis Center study of homicides in 1993 in New York City found that assault weapons were involved in 16% of the homicides studied. The definition of assault weapons used was from proposed but not enacted State legislation that was more expansive than the Federal legislation. By matching ballistics records and homicide files, the study found information on 366 firearms recovered in the homicides of 271 victims. Assault weapons were linked to the deaths of 43 victims (16% of those studied).
A study by the Virginia State Statistical Analysis Center reviewed the files of 600 firearms murders that occurred in 18 jurisdictions from 1989 to 1991. The study found that handguns were used in 72% of the murders (431 murders). Ten guns were identified as assault weapons, including 5 pistols, 4 rifles, and 1 shotgun.
Assault weapons and offenders
In the 1991 BJS Survey of State Inmates, about 8% of the inmates reported that they had owned a military-type weapon, such as an Uzi, AK-47, AR-15, or M-16. Less than 1% said that they carried such a weapon when they committed the incident for which they were incarcerated. A Virginia inmate survey conducted between November 1992 and May 1993 found similar results: About 10% of the adult inmates reported that they had ever possessed an assault rifle, but none had carried it at the scene of a crime.
Two studies indicate higher proportions of juvenile offenders reporting possession and use of assault rifles. The Virginia inmate survey also covered 192 juvenile offenders. About 20% reported that they had possessed an assault rifle and 1% said that they had carried it at the scene of a crime. In 1991, Sheley and Wright surveyed 835 serious juvenile offenders incarcerated in 6 facilities in 4 States. In the Sheley and Wright study, 35% of the juvenile inmates reported that they had owned a military-style automatic or semi-automatic rifle just prior to confinement.
Sources
Assault Weapons and Homicide in New York City, Office of Justice Systems Analysis, New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services, May 1994.
Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, ATF Facts, November 1994.
Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, Firearms & Explosives Tracing Guidebook, September 1993.
Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, unpublished data.
BJS, Criminal Victimization 1993, Bulletin NCJ-151658, May 1995.
BJS, Guns and Crime, Crime Data Brief, NCJ-147003, April 1994.
BJS, National Crime Victimization Survey, 1992, unpublished data
BJS, Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991, NCJ-136949, March 1993.
"Crimes Committed with Firearms in the State of Hawaii, 1983-1992," Crime Trends Series, Department of the Attorney General, Crime Prevention Division, Volume 2, Issue 1, April 1994.
Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 1993, October 4, 1994.
Federal Bureau of Investigation, Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted, 1987-1992.
Federal Bureau of Investigation, National Crime Information Center, unpublished data.
Giannelli, Paul C., "Ballistics Evidence: Firearms Identification," Criminal Law Bulletin, May-June 1991.
Guns and Violent Crime, Criminal Justice Research Center, Commonwealth of Virginia, Department of Criminal Justice Services, January 1994 with updated data for homicide study.
McGonigal, Michael D., MD, John Cole, BS, C. William Schwab, MD, Donald R. Kauder, MD, Michael, R. Rotondo, MD, and Peter B. Angood, "Urban Firearm Deaths: A Five-year Perspective," The Journal of Trauma, Vol. 35, No. 4, October 1993, pp. 532-537.
Sheley, Joseph F., and James D. Wright, "Gun Acquisition and Possession in Selected Juvenile Samples," National Institute of Justice and Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, Research in Brief, NCJ-145326, December 1993.
Wright, James D., and Peter H. Rossi, Armed and Considered Dangerous (New York: Adline de Gruyter) 1986.
Wright, James D., Peter H. Rossi, and Kathleen Daly, Under the Gun: Weapons, Crime, and Violence in America (New York: Adline de Gruyter) 1983.
Note
Data in this report from the 1993 National Crime Victimization Survey are the first released on this topic since the survey was redesigned. Because of changes in the methodology, direct comparisons with BJS's victim survey data from prior years are not appropriate. Additional infromation about the survey's redesign can be obtained from the Bureau of Justice Statistics Clearinghouse at 1-800-732-3277.
The Bureau of Justice Statistics is the statistical arm of the U.S. Department of Justice. Jan M. Chaiken, Ph.D., is director.
The BJS Selected Findings summarize statistics about a topic of current concern from both BJSand non-BJS datasets.
Substantial assistance in preparing this document was provided by Roy Weise and Gary Boatman of the Criminal Justice Information Systems Division of the FBI; Edward Troiano, Emmett Masterson, Gerald Nunziato, Gary Kirchoff, and Kris Denholm of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms; Jim McDonough of the Virginia Department of Criminal Justice Services; Henry Brownstein and Kelly Haskin-Tenenini of the New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services, and Larry Greenfeld, Thomas Hester, and Michael Rand of the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Verification and publication review was provided by Yvonne Boston, Ida Hines, Rhonda Keith and Priscilla Middleton of the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
July 1995, NCJ-148201
"Guns Used In Crime" is the first of a series of reports on firearms and crime that will become part of a longer document, "Firearms, Crime, and Criminal Justice." Other topics to be covered in this series include weapons offenses and offenders, how criminals obtain guns, and intentional firearm injury. The full report will focus on the use of guns in crime, trends in gun crime, consequences of gun crimes, characteristics of offenders who use guns, and sanctions for offenders who use guns. This report will not cover the involvement of firearms in accidents or suicides.
This article was obtained from the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics. Firearms, Crime, and Criminal Justice--Selected Findings, July 1995, NCJ-148201
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Five dead, 23 wounded in holiday weekend violence
(Chicago) Sun-times Media Wire ^ | July 5, 2011
It was a violent holiday weekend in Chicago, with five men dead and at least 23 people wounded in shootings and stabbings throughout the city since Friday afternoon. The men killed ranged in age from 19 to 25 years old.
(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...
And the video that says it all.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cops-investigate-videotaped-attack-stabbing-in-lakeview-20110704,0,2002834.story
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Freaking animals act better than these savages.
But oh yeah, 33 and Kazan having a rifle that is statiscally used in about 1% of crimes at best is the real issue.
What the fuck ever. I hope all of these barbarians kill each other off. Do us a lot of good.
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Five dead, 23 wounded in holiday weekend violence
(Chicago) Sun-times Media Wire ^ | July 5, 2011
It was a violent holiday weekend in Chicago, with five men dead and at least 23 people wounded in shootings and stabbings throughout the city since Friday afternoon. The men killed ranged in age from 19 to 25 years old.
(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...
And the video that says it all.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cops-investigate-videotaped-attack-stabbing-in-lakeview-20110704,0,2002834.story
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Freaking animals act better than these savages.
But oh yeah, 33 and Kazan having a rifle that is statiscally used in about 1% of crimes at best is the real issue.
What the fuck ever. I hope all of these barbarians kill each other off. Do us a lot of good.
Thats not even the point, as has been pointed out, the argument presented is emotional, and has no basis in fact. It's more of that feel good legislation the dems like to push all the time. By the time the public realized what happened its to late and no one is feeling good anymore.
The left just can't accept the fact that a gun is an inadament object, and it the people with the bad wiring that are the problem. In the leftist utopia no one is responsible for their own actions. There is always some mitigating factor that has lead to the crime being committed. And it runs the spectrum from not being breast fed to society made them do it ::)
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again - ITS ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSES' FAULT!
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The Assault Weapons Ban: How Silly Was It? (Part One)
Pajamas Media ^ | July 6, 2011 | Bob Owens
With the Obama admin and a Washington Post editorial calling for its reinstatement — amidst a tie-in to the Gunwalker scandal — it's worth revisiting the boneheaded law.
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, February 26, 2009:
As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons.
The fabled “assault weapons ban.”
Few laws ever passed have been as idolized — and misunderstood — as Title XI of the Federal Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, Subtitle A (the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act).
To listen to the Obama administration, the media, or the nominated head of the ATF spin it, the ban made it illegal to purchase machine guns, and outlawed the ownership or use of high-capacity magazines, saving billions, perhaps trillions, of lives.
That mischaracterization is as wrong as it is laughable. The law had nothing to do with machine guns and real military-issue assault rifles, and did nothing to measurably impact violent crime.
The purpose of the law was to ban the sale and importation of certain semi-automatic (one bullet fired per trigger pull) firearms by name, and a wider group of firearms that had an arbitrarily selected list of largely cosmetic features. These features did not affect the rate of fire, accuracy, or range of the firearms impacted. Firearms were determined to be “assault weapons” — a term that was created by the law itself — if it had two or more of the following features:
Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device which enables the launching or firing of rifle grenades)
Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm
Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
ixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
Detachable magazine
It was a law passed by lawmakers who desired to “do something,” but who didn’t have the expertise or
intelligence to pass a law with any real meaning or measurable impact. It resulted in a 10-year timeframe where this …
… was an “assault weapon,” but this …
… was not.
These rifles are identical in every regard except that the rifle on the top has a small bit of metal under the front sight to which a bayonet could attach, and a small vented tube on the end of the barrel that redirects unburned gases.
Both are AR-15-pattern rifles that came off the same assembly line, fire the exact same ammunition, and use the same magazines.
The former was criminalized for ultimately absurd reasons, so that lawmakers could claim they were doing something about gun violence. Both were legal to sell, buy, and possess during the life of the ban.
The story was the same for almost every weapon impacted by the law. The offending cosmetics were removed, and the same weapon was sold under a different model number for the duration of the ban — while the “pre-ban” versions became items of interest and demand merely because of the additional features.
Instead of having having an impact on the reduction of gun crime, the “assault weapon ban” instead became a near-comical example of the law of unintended consequences. Prior to the introduction of the legislation, demand for the firearms that became the subject of the ban was relatively light. The public’s interest was piqued, and sales skyrocketed, directly as a result of the law. These firearms had almost no statistical representation in crimes (which the National Institute of Justice admitted two years later), and interest in them grew both before the ban and after it was enacted. One of the unintended consequences of the law was that these firearms that had had a small role at the fringes of the marketplace were suddenly desired by millions.
The assault weapons ban didn’t reduce the number of military-style semi-automatic firearms. It greatly increased their numbers, their public acceptance, and had the effect of mainstreaming them, “pre-ban” rifles and cosmetically de-enhanced “post-ban” rifles alike. Thanks to the “ban,” AR-15 pattern rifles are now among the most popular rifles in America, and have been mainstreamed even among the change-resistant hunting fraternity as “modern sporting rifles.”
So if the ten-year ban period did not see a substantial reduction in gun crimes committed with the kind of firearms banned, and the expiration of the law in 2004 did not result in a massive upswing in violence even after these firearms achieved mainstream popularity and acceptance, why would the Obama administration be so strongly in favor of advocating for a renewal of the ban?
That is something we hope to resolve in Part 2.
ALSO READ: The Future of Obama’s Stealth Gun Control.
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More obama lies that the 95'ers and team dildo buy in to hook line and sinker.
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half the d-bag "conservatives" on getbig voted clinton in 1992, and he supported the BS assault weapons ban in 1994.
Then, Bush let americans sit at risk for 3 1/2 years by not repealing the act on DAY ONE of his presidency.
So the fact of the matter is this: Under 75% of Clinton's presidency, and under 40% of Bush's presidency, we have sat underneath the assault weapons ban.
What % of Obama's presidency have we endured the assault weapons ban? NONE.
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The Future of Obama’s Stealth Gun Control
Pajamas Media ^ | July 6, 2011 | Mike McDaniel
It's not "under the radar" anymore.
January 2013: After the most unremittingly negative, cynical presidential contest in American history, Barack Obama has narrowly won a second term in the White House and stands ready to take the oath of office again. Aided immeasurably by a Legacy Media that buried the Gunwalker scandal along with myriad other scandals potentially harmful to him — and relentlessly savaged his opponents — Mr. Obama just barely pulled himself across the finish line on the strength of his rhetoric.
No longer restrained by the need to maintain appearances in order to win reelection, no longer restrained by the need to appease congressional Democrats, he turns to those facets of his agenda too unpopular to openly pursue during a first term. Very near the top of his list is gun control – or, more properly, the disarming of the American people.
Flash back to June 2011, when I wrote about the dangers of changing the balance of the Supreme Court from a majority which always (or usually) decides cases based on the Constitution, precedent, and the law to a majority which prefers to bypass those things to impose, by means of judicial fiat, leftist social policies which cannot carry legislative support, even with a Democrat majority in both houses of Congress. When I wrote that article, I had no idea that Mr. Obama would so soon provide such tellingly direct evidence of his post-2012 intentions.
It is certainly reasonable to believe that Mr. Obama is very much against the Second Amendment right of Americans to keep and bear arms. He has, upon occasion, said that he supports the Second Amendment. But his rhetoric is always accompanied by a “but” that opens the door to “common sense” gun control measures. It is a virtual certainty that what is “common sense” to Mr. Obama and his gun control allies is anything but to most Americans.
Despite his rhetoric, Mr. Obama’s true beliefs have always hovered just below the surface of his public rhetoric. (Take, for example, his well-known disdain for those who cling to God and guns.) But before exploring Mr. Obama’s actual second term intentions for the Second Amendment, it will be instructive to review his record on the issue. This list is not in any way exhaustive:
(1) In 1996, then Illinois state Senator Obama answered a gun control questionnaire. He wrote that he supported a complete ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of handguns and “assault weapons,” and also supported mandatory waiting periods and background checks. During the 2008 campaign, candidate Obama denied ever filling out the questionnaire, despite the fact that it was completed in his handwriting. FactCheck.org confirmed that he had, in fact, filled out the questionnaire. [source A]
(2) In 1998, Mr. Obama expressed his support for a complete ban on the sale or transfer of all semi-automatic firearms. He supported increasing state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms — this in Illinois, one of the only two states that to this day bans concealed carry. [source A]
(3) The 1998 Joyce Foundation annual report revealed that Mr. Obama was a member of its board of directors. The Joyce Foundation is one of the largest sources of funding for anti-gun groups and for anti-gun “research.” [source 7]
(4) In 1999, the Chicago Defender reported that Mr. Obama wanted to ban the resale of police issued firearms, even for the purpose of buying new equipment. [source 4]
(5) In 1999, Mr. Obama endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition. This was obviously intended to increase the price of gun ownership so drastically as to make it unaffordable for most Americans. [source 4]
(6) In 1999, Mr. Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within five miles of a school or park. This was a reasonable sounding scheme that would have had the effect of banning nearly every gun store in America. [source 8]
(7) In 1999, the Chicago Defender also reported that Mr. Obama favored mandatory firearm training for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for everyone under 21. [source 4]
(8) In 2000, Mr. Obama cosponsored a bill that limited firearm purchases to one per month. The bill failed. He also voted against allowing citizens to violate local weapon bans where self-defense was involved. [source A]
(9) In 2004, Mr. Obama voted for an Illinois Senate bill that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. While this might seem to be at odds with every political stance he had taken on the issue, it was later revealed that at the time he was fighting his Republican opponent for the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police. His support for the bill was almost certainly cynical political pandering rather than an indication of any appreciation for police officers or for the rights of gun owners. [source A]
(10) In a 2004 Illinois Senate debate with Alan Keyes, Mr. Obama said: “I think it is a scandal that this president [Bush] did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.” [source A]
(11) In 2005, Mr. Obama voted in the U.S. Senate to ban nearly all rifle ammunition in common civilian use. [source 3]
(12) Mr. Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He said he would not have voted for Scalia or Thomas and voted against the confirmation of Alito and Chief Justice Roberts. [source 1]
(13) Mr. Obama voted to allow lawsuits against firearm manufacturers for the acts of third parties beyond their knowledge or control. Such suits were designed to destroy the domestic firearms industry. [source 2]
(14) Mr. Obama has consistently opposed right to carry laws. [source 6]
(14) A 2007 report revealed that Mr. Obama supported a ban on standard capacity magazines. [source 9]
(15) A 2008 report revealed that Mr. Obama was in favor of mandatory micro-stamping, a scheme which would significantly increase the cost of new firearms while simultaneously establishing a massive registry. Despite uniform scientific evidence that the scheme does not and cannot work, efforts to impose it continue today. [source 10]
(16) In 2008, ABC News reported Mr. Obama’s support for gun bans in major cities including Chicago and Washington, D.C. [source 5]
(17) Mr. Obama’s 2008 campaign website indicated his support for the repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the ATF from being used in nuisance lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers. This too is a battle anti-gun forces continue to fight. [source 11]
Note that Mr. Obama’s antipathy for guns and their owners was abundantly clear from virtually the first moment the public took notice of him. None of this should be surprising. Mr. Obama is, after all, not only a Democrat, but a product of the Chicago political machine.
Mr. Obama’s anti-freedom inclinations have not abated. He has merely put them aside temporarily in the pursuit of larger progressive goals. Just because gun control has not had the kind of exposure enjoyed by ObamaCare does not mean it is not part of Mr. Obama’s agenda.
Mr. Obama’s judicial appointments have been an important means of anti-Second Amendment activism. His two appointments to the Supreme Court, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, professed their support for precedent and the Second Amendment during their confirmation hearings, but voted against Second Amendment freedoms at their first opportunity after being confirmed.
More recently, Mr. Obama nominated 39 year-old Berkeley Law School Dean Goodwin Liu for a seat on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals [source C]. The 9th Circuit is known as the most liberal appeals court in the nation, and has earned the dubious distinction of being the court most overturned by the Supreme Court. A staunch progressive, Liu’s writings revealed a man of no judicial experience who favored deciding cases based on progressive policy goals rather than the Constitution. Liu’s anti-gun views were predictable and available in his own words in several prominent articles. Fortunately, Liu’s nomination was blocked and eventually withdrawn.
As has been recently reported, acting ATF head Kenneth Melson may soon be out the door, the first Obama administration victim of the Gunwalker debacle. This has lead to speculation that Mr. Obama will again nominate Andrew Traver of the Chicago ATF office to head the agency. Mr. Traver’s anti-gun credentials are impeccable. That Mr. Obama would even think of nominating someone like Mr. Traver to head the ATF with the Gunwalker scandal still boiling is surely indicative of his attitude toward gun control. [Source F]
The objection could be raised that Mr. Obama’s relative lack of overt action on gun control initiatives indicates that he is not a stereotypical progressive gun banner. But on May 25, 2011, Ed Morrissey at Hot Air [source B] provided substantial and disturbing information that dispatches this charge. It seems that Mr. Obama has a “point man” in the White House in charge of gun regulation policies named Steve Crowley. Mr. Crowley was profiled in the Washington Post “Lifestyle” section in April. A gun control point man seems rather odd for a president who isn’t planning to pursue gun control policies.
In addition, on March 30, Sarah and Jim Brady of the Brady Center, one of the most prominent anti-gun organizations, met with Obama Press Secretary Jay Carney. Mr. Obama met with them as well, and according to Sarah Brady told them that gun control was “…very much on his agenda.”
Brady quoted Mr. Obama: “I just want you to know that we are working on it. We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”
According to Morrissey, the Huffington Post has reported that the Department of Justice has been holding meetings to plan options for enacting gun controls by bypassing the legislative process though executive orders or regulation making by federal bureaucrats. This method of autocratic rule is nothing new for the Obama administration. [source B]
The cross-border Gunwalker mess is not the only way in which Mr. Obama has pursued an anti-gun foreign policy. According to former UN Ambassador John Bolton, the Obama administration’s apparently incoherent policy is being used to further gun control goals domestically and internationally. Bolton asserts that the Obama administration is arguing that supposedly lax American gun laws are responsible for the problem of drug related violence in Mexico, and that this argument will provide a foundation for United Nations arms treaties. [source E]
The Gunwalker scandal provides only the most recent — and potentially the most damning — evidence of the Obama gun control agenda.
So return to January 2013. What can Americans expect? Mr. Obama will rely on his tried and true methods, continuing the perpetual campaign despite the fact that, for him, the campaign is over. Those methods include:
(1) Public persuasion. This is the first, above the radar, public front. Mr. Obama has always tried to use the bully pulpit of the presidency to convince “the people” that their ruin is actually their salvation. This first step is always closely aligned with:
(2) Legislation. When Democrats controlled the Congress, Mr. Obama was able to push through ObamaCare despite the fact that a clear majority of the public did not, and does not, want it. However, even with control of Congress, he was not able to pass cap and trade, which would have given him absolute control over the daily lives of “the people” — enabling Obama bureaucrats to regulate the very air we breathe. If Mr. Obama has lost control of both houses in 2013, this option would be more or less closed to him, but his veto would prevent back-sliding on portions of his agenda already imposed by various means. If the legislature is closed to him (and even if it is not), Mr. Obama will rely upon:
(3) The administrative state. Where the first several steps fail, Mr. Obama makes an end run around the legislature by means of his appointed, unaccountable czars and innumerable bureaucratic functionaries, constantly growing in number and boldness, who not only have the power to make up the rules as they go, but to harass, obstruct, punish, and harm anyone who might try to stand in their way. Bureaucrats can, on their own initiative, bring economic development and activity to a halt. By ensuring that only like-minded sycophants are in bureaucratic positions, Mr. Obama need not stoop to issuing specific instructions: they know what to do. Mr. Obama would not have appointed them if they did not. They will — independent of other initiatives on other fronts — continue to do everything possible to obtain by fiat what is otherwise unobtainable.
(4) Environmentalists and similar groups. Whatever can’t be obtained through the first three steps can be obtained — and opponents impeded and punished — through the efforts of gun control groups, environmentalists, and other advocacy groups. By means of manipulating the media, threatening and abusive protests, and filing endless lawsuits to obstruct and delay whatever they oppose, the Obama agenda can be furthered. Many of these organizations are openly extreme in their views and tactics — giving Mr. Obama cover, as he will tend to be reluctant to reveal his true beliefs, preferring a stealthily socialistic approach.
(5) The imperial courts. By appointing the “right” kind of judges and/or jurisdiction shopping, predictable rulings are easy to obtain. Whatever mischief bureaucrats aren’t able to secure can often be accomplished through liberal, activist judges. Even if lower court decisions are eventually and inevitably overturned, the process takes years, and any rulings adverse to Mr. Obama’s desires can usually be safely ignored.
(6) The international community. As Ambassador Bolton noted, Mr. Obama is a believer in the will of the international community and the UN. International bureaucrats have long sought to impose gun control on the world and America through binding treaties. With nothing to lose, Mr. Obama will almost certainly become much more active on this front.
With a second term, Mr. Obama can be expected to cause unimaginable damage to America apart from the economic disaster he is already wreaking. His agenda will continue to be at least somewhat stealthy. But, unburdened with the necessity of a second campaign, Mr. Obama will almost certainly go for broke on every item on his progressive wish list. Gun control has always been near the very top of every progressive’s wish list, and Mr. Obama is nothing if not a good progressive. Sarah Brady is convinced of it. Despite the fact that the Brady Campaign has often been caught in misrepresentation and lies, Americans would be wise to take her at her word, at least this once.
SOURCES:
(A) http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/barack_obama_gun_control.htm
(B) http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/25/obama-were-working-on-gun-control-under-the-radar/
(C) http://gunowners.org/a051811.htm
(D) http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7784
(E) http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53957.html#ixzz1LCPCAIks
(F) http://hotair.com/archives/2011/06/22/meet-andrew-traver-possible-chief-of-batfe/
(1) United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005, and vote 2, January 31, 2006, and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.
(2) “Candidates’ gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and “Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns,” Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)
(3) United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217)
(4) “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)
(5) David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, “Obama: ‘Common Sense Regulation’ On Gun Owners’ Rights,” ABC News‘ “Political Radar” Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)
(6) “Candidates’ gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and “Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns,” Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)
(7) 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.
(8) “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)
(9) “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)
(10) Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008. (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html)
(11) Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.)
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Obama Adminstration to Implement More Gun Control Without Congress
townhall.com ^ | 8 July, 2011 | Katie Pavlich
Posted on July 10, 2011 5:41:44 PM EDT by marktwain
Another day, another power grab around Congress from the Obama administration.
Great news! The Obama administration plans to implement gun control measures "gun safety measures," through the Justice Department without Congress.
Spokesman Jay Carney said that the new steps would be made public "in the near future." He didn't offer details, but people involved in talks at the Justice Department to craft the new measures said they expected to see something in the next several weeks. Whatever is proposed is not expected to involve legislation or take on major issues, like banning assault weapons, but could include executive action to strengthen the background check system or other steps.
"The president directed the attorney general to form working groups with key stakeholders to identify common-sense measures that would improve American safety and security while fully respecting Second Amendment rights," Carney said Thursday. "That process is well under way at the Department of Justice, with stakeholders on all sides working through these complex issues, and we expect to have some more specific announcements in the near future."
"Or other steps." According the Carney, new gun control measures are being pushed by the Obama administration to prevent "another Tucson." The problem is, Obama administration officials, along with anti-gun special interests groups, are focusing on the guns, rather than criminals. And let's not forget, Jared Loughner, the clinically insane man who shot 19 people on Jan. 8 in Tucson, Ariz. killing 6 and wounding 13 others, had multiple encounters with Loughner for issuing death threats to a radio host among other things before the shooting, meaning Dupnik allowed him to slip through the cracks of law enforcement more than once. Dupnik chose to do nothing about prior complaints about Loughner, but once again, anti-gun zealots are refusing to focus on the real problems: incompetent law enforcement and criminals.
It is no surprise anti-gun advocates and the Obama administration aren't going to let the Jan. 8 crisis go to waste. We saw this coming.
Meanwhile, Congressman Issa updates us on the Obama Justice Department Operation Fast and Furious, an operation that allowed U.S. federal government officials to break and ignore gun laws already in place.
(In the first video, Mr. Hannity refers to Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious as the same program, they are not. Project Gunrunner was implemented under the Bush Administration and involved allowing straw purchasers to buy weapons under surveillance but then those purchasers were immediately arrested in the United States. Operation Fast and Furious was started in 2009 and involved ATF agents allowing straw purchasers to buy guns under surveillance for drug cartels and then take them across the border into Mexico. Those guns are now lost until they are found at crime scenes. )
So there you have it, the totally incompetent and corrupt Obama Justice Department is in charge of coming up with ideas about how to make America safe from guns, because ideas from this DOJ have worked out so well in the past.
June 15, 2011-- “Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals, this was the plan. It was so mandated.” –Special Agent John Dodson ATF Phoenix Field Division.
Damning new evidence from Capitol Hill shows that ATF Directors and Justice Department Officials knew about and encouraged the purposeful trafficking of thousands of weapons across the southern border, despite strong objections from ATF agents. Thousands of innocent lives were taken as the result, including those of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and ICE Agent Jamie Zapata.
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ATF to Require Information on Frequent Gunbuyers in Border States
AP ^ | July 11, 2011
WASHINGTON -- In an effort to stem the illicit flow of weapons into Mexico, the Justice Department announced Monday that all gun shops in four Southwest border states will be required to alert the federal government to frequent buyers of high-powered rifles.
The new policy comes amid criticism of a failed federal probe aimed at dismantling large-scale arms trafficking networks along the Arizona border with Mexico.
In the probe, called Operation Fast and Furious, several agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives say they were inexplicably ordered by superiors to stop tracking some small-time "straw" buyers who purchased large numbers of weapons apparently destined for drug cartels.
Under the new policy, federal firearms licensees in Texas, California, Arizona and New Mexico must report purchases of two or more of some types of rifles by the same person in a five-day span. The requirement applies to purchases of semi-automatic rifles that have detachable magazines and a caliber of greater than .22.
ATF estimates it will generate 18,000 reports a year.
Deputy Attorney General James Cole said the new reporting measure will improve the ATF's ability to disrupt illegal weapons trafficking networks that funnel firearms to criminal organizations.
One of the critics of Operation Fast and Furious called the new policy "the height of hypocrisy."
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
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Unfortunately, no not all of them. The biggest problem is these air guns that are built exactly like the actual weapons to the point where a few components bought from the internet would convert them over to the real thing. That's why they are so popular these days
BUMP.
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I checked an M16 one out at a store one time and I was surprised that it had the same metal frame and construction as the one I used in the Army. It was not plastic. Add the bolt action mechanism and a few other parts and it would be ready to shoot live ammunition. That's why these AirSoft guns are so popular. Its more expensive to convert one over but you can get the instructions and the extra parts on the internet quite easily and there would not be any record of it.
I'm sure the FBI is quite aware of this
Can you print those instructions?