Just wanted to post some words of wisdom from the wisest man who ever lived.I fall back on Proverbs 3:5-6 quite often. Keep them coming brother!
Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And shall direct your paths.
Proverbs 3:5-6
Honor the Lord with your possessions,
And with the firstfruits of all your increase;
So your barns will be filled with plenty,
And your vats will overflow with new wine.
Proverbs 3:9-10
Regarding the last one, if you've never tithed, I'd encourage you to give a try. Much better investment than the market. :) It works.
More to follow . . . .
Regarding the last one, if you've never tithed, I'd encourage you to give a try. Much better investment than the market. :) It works.
I like this one because you get to beat the crap out of your kid as long as he doesn't die. That is awesome!
"Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs 23:13-14)
Giving your son a whipping won't kill him, while spoiling him and let him run wild will kill him. How is that bad parental advice, and how do you get beating the crap out of him from this verse? ::)
Giving your son a whipping won't kill him, while spoiling him and let him run wild will kill him. How is that bad parental advice, and how do you get beating the crap out of him from this verse? ::)
It says he won't die and and it says use a a rod; so without stretching the interpretation I imagine you can use a hard oak rod and beat him bloody just short of death. There is nothing implying anything to the contrary.
Face it loco, the Bible is full of silly, brutish things.
I like this one because you get to beat the crap out of your kid as long as he doesn't die. That is awesome!
"Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs 23:13-14)
Just to be fair, It could read: "Withhold not discipline from a child: for if thou discipline , he shall not die. Thou shalt discipline him and deliver his soul from hell."
Interesting coming from some one who doesn't have children.
Beating your child with a rod? A person that does that is a idiot and should be put in jail.
Beating a child at all with a rod is barbaric and abusive.
No, I'm not a parent, but I was a child, and my parents did not beat me, but did whipped with a belt, or with a wooden spoon, or slapped my mouth if I disrespected them. That's not beating. It never left a mark, but it did put me in line. I thank them for that, and always will.
My brothers and I all turned out to be law abiding citizen.
OK I'll beat you all to this one
Proverbs 21:9
Better to live on a corner of the roof
than share a house with a quarrelsome wife.
Oh thanks. lol . . . . There are actually about three or four more. ;D
I know!
And they're all true! :o
I'll post them. :) I'm going to post most of my favorite verses from Proverbs.
I will too :)
Interesting coming from some one who doesn't have children.
Beating your child with a rod? A person that does that is a idiot and should be put in jail.
Proverbs 6
4 Give not sleep to thine eyes, nor slumber to thine eyelids.
5 Deliver thyself as a roe from the hand of the hunter, and as a bird from the hand of the fowler.
6 Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise:
7 Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler,
8 Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest.
9 How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep?
10 Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep:
11 So shall thy poverty come as one that travelleth, and thy want as an armed man.
I like this one
I think the following two excerpts have to be read together:
Can a make take fire to his bosom,
And his clothes not be burned?
Can one walk on hot coals,
And his feet not be seared?
Proverbs 6:27-29
Whoever commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding;
He who does so destroys his own soul.
Wounds and dishonor he will get,
And his reproach will not be wiped away.
Proverbs 6:32-33
This is one promise that I see materialize on a regular basis. How many times have you heard about a man who cheats on his wife and gets caught and outed? Sometimes it takes a while, but they always get caught. Just think about some of the public figures: Clinton, Spitzer (NY Gov), Cosby, the Detroit Mayor, Newsome (SF Mayor), the LA Mayor, Dr. J, Jesse Jackson, Kobe, Stray-Rod. The list is endless. Our governor's chief of staff resigned a couple years ago over an problem that originated with a affair.
I think it starts with "playing with fire" and ends with wound and dishonor. Anytime a Christian friend talks to me about creeping, I tell them about these verses.
I think that applies to anyone. They always end up getting caught at some point.
But, Anthony Robbins can teach you how to walk on hot coals and not get your feet burned, yet he too was busted by his wife for cheating ;D
I'll testify to that. :)
No, I'm not a parent, but I was a child, and my parents did not beat me, but did whipped me with a belt, or with a wooden spoon, or slapped my mouth if I disrespected them. That's not beating. It never left a mark or caused any damage to me, but it did put me in line. I thank them for that, and always will.
My brothers and I all turned out to be law abiding citizen.
Spoken like someone who has never lived in the south and been beaten with a switch (stick). :)
True, except I it seems like that message is more for men, because they are routinely embarrassed. Don't hear about women nearly as much.
You leave Anthony Robbins alone. I've read two of his books. He also did an okay job in Shallow Hal. :) But if he was outed for cheating on his wife then I'll say Proverbs strikes again. :)
Was he exercising "certainty" that he wasn't going to get caught?
OK I'll beat you all to this one
Proverbs 21:9
Better to live on a corner of the roof
than share a house with a quarrelsome wife.
I still like the one about beating your kid with a rod...good stuff...
I like this one because you get to beat the crap out of your kid as long as he doesn't die. That is awesome!
"Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs 23:13-14)
Just to be fair, It could read: "Withhold not discipline from a child: for if thou discipline , he shall not die. Thou shalt discipline him and deliver his soul from hell."
The Scriptures warn against CHILD ABUSE. While encouraging parents to bring up their children "in the discipline and mental-regulating of God," the apostle Paul warns: "Do not be irritating your children." (Eph. 6:4) In another place Paul counseled: "You fathers, do not be exasperating your children." (Col. 3:21) This would rule out brutal beatings or other physical torture, as well as badgering youngsters by continually screaming at them, belittling them or subjecting them to other psychological indignities. As a pattern of conduct pleasing to God the Bible points to the parent who "cherishes" and is "gentle' with the little ones. (1 Thess. 2:7).
I have read other renderings of (Proverbs 23:13,14) that use the word "punish" instead of, "beat". Obviously, the Bible doesn't teach parents to literally "BEAT" their children into a state of abuse. :o
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Muck of contradictions...
Uh huh.
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The Scriptures warn against CHILD ABUSE. While encouraging parents to bring up their children "in the discipline and mental-regulating of God," the apostle Paul warns: "Do not be irritating your children." (Eph. 6:4) In another place Paul counseled: "You fathers, do not be exasperating your children." (Col. 3:21) This would rule out BRUTAL BEATINGS or other physical torture, as well as badgering youngsters by continually screaming at them, belittling them or subjecting them to other psychological indignities. As a pattern of conduct pleasing to God the Bible points to the parent who "cherishes" and is "gentle' with the little ones. (1 Thess. 2:7).
I have read other renderings of (Proverbs 23:13,14) that use the word "punish" instead of, "beat". Obviously, the Bible doesn't teach parents to literally "BEAT" their children into a state of abuse. :o
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Strike, beat, punish................. the point is using a "rod" That's child abuse.
The Bible teaches chid abuse and warns against it.
business as usual.
Do not be irritating vs. "punishing" with a rod? LMAO
To many people disagree with this, including myself. It's clear to reasonable people as to what the Bible is teaching in this subject matter. Maybe pray a sincere prayer and ask for the "wisdom of Solomon".
It sounds like you are trying to force your own teaching, rather than what the Bible teaches. Again, if you are really sincere about your belief in God, then ask for His guidance.
Oh good grief. This was supposed to be a positive thread.
That said, no the verse in Proverbs is not promoting child abuse. That's silly. Discipline is subjective. Abuse to one parent might be plain old reprimands to another. One parent might think slapping a kid in the mouth is abuse. Another might not hesitate to smack a kid in the mouth if he is being disrespectful. Some think any form of corporal punishment is abuse. Others will use belts, shoes, or anything they can get their hands on to spank the kid. Some of it is cultural too. Remember the American kid from Singapore who got caned for graffiti? Would never happen in this country.
The verse is from proverbs. I didn't put the verse there or chose its words. Sorry proverbs isn't 100% positive.
I think beating a kid with a rod would surely earn a visit from CPS.
That being said, the verse is VERY positive if you don't take it literally. :)
Oak or Mahagony? :D
The verse is from proverbs. I didn't put the verse there or chose its words. Sorry proverbs isn't 100% positive.
I think beating a kid with a rod would surely earn a visit from CPS.
That being said, the verse is VERY positive if you don't take it literally. :)
By "positive" I meant conveying words of wisdom, not the endless parsing of verses by people who obviously don't believe what they read. Which makes me question why you and others read the Bible. Your only goal appears to be to find supposed contradictions. But hey it's only a message board. :)
I take the verse literally. It's telling you to discipline your kid. If you put it in context, the "rod" is the equivalent of today's belt, or the "rod" used by many parents in the South. I know of many a kid who had to "pick a switch" (i.e., a "rod") for a good old fashioned spanking. And as I said, the "rod" is used on adults in Singapore.
Taking the verse literally would mean using a rod. Seeing the verse for what it means would mean disciplining your child.
Taking it literally means spanking your kid. It didn't say "belt" because they didn't wear them when the verse was written.
Then the word "rod" shouldn't have been in the sentence.
That's your opinion. Like I said, discipline is subjective. You think it's abuse. I don't. Many other parents don't either.
It's not the "rod". My point is that if the word rod wasn't meant to be taking literally it wouldn't have been in the sentence. They would have wrote similar to the way i wrote it earlier.
Please do not criticise Loco for his English in the future Oz. :-\
Well, where I stand is: we cannot know for certain and I think it improbable there was a historical Jesus; there may have been but we will never know.
And I think the dating for the Schroud is still controversial.
::) and perhaps you can refrain from spelling criticisms
My bad...German interferrence.
The only reason I mentioned it was because Ozmo said Loco's English was crap. I disagree. Moreover that was spelling; the grammar was toally off there and once again was about Loco.
i'm gonna let this slide as a typo
Please do not criticise Loco for his English in the future Oz. :-\
I think beating a kid with a rod would surely earn a visit from CPS.
The CPS prolly doesn't follow God's law either. Even the Govs. of the world don't. Why would the CPS? :)
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What does CPS following "gods" laws have to do with anything? CPS is there to protect children from abuse. Using a rod on a child would probably earn a visit by CPS.
End of story.
What does CPS following "gods" laws have to do with anything? CPS is there to protect children from abuse. Using a rod on a child would probably earn a visit by CPS.
End of story.
I wouldn't heed the CPS' guidelines on child rearing over God's, that's all. :)
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In the multitude of words sin is not lacking,
But he who restrains his lips is wise.
Proverbs 10:19
A talebearer reveals secrets,
But he who is of a faithful spirit conceals a matter.
Proverbs 11:13
He who guards his mouth preserves his life,
But he who opens wide his lips shall have destruction.
Proverbs 13:3
He who has knowledge spares his words,
And a man of understanding is of a calm spirit.
Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace;
When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive.
Proverbs 17:27-28
Translation: shut the heck up. :D
Goes back to an earlier post of mine:
A fool's lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes. (Prov 18:6 KJV)
Genetics... :P
He who walks with wise men will be wise,
But the companion of fools will be destroyed.
Proverbs 13:20
26:12
Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
The key to understanding Proverbs is to realize that they are general principals. Some people think that certain proverbs contradict one another, such as Prov 26:4 vs Prov 26:5
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
But actually, these are more of a paradox (opposite but equal truth) than a contradiction. Kind of like walking the line between He who hesitates is lost and Look before you leap.
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I wrestle with this one. You have to know when to respond to foolishness and when to simply shut up. Tough to draw the line sometimes.
17:16
Of what use is money in the hand of a fool, since he has no desire to get wisdom?
I think the following two excerpts have to be read together:
Can a make take fire to his bosom,
And his clothes not be burned?
Can one walk on hot coals,
And his feet not be seared?
Proverbs 6:27-29
Whoever commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding;
He who does so destroys his own soul.
Wounds and dishonor he will get,
And his reproach will not be wiped away.
Proverbs 6:32-33
This is one promise that I see materialize on a regular basis. How many times have you heard about a man who cheats on his wife and gets caught and outed? Sometimes it takes a while, but they always get caught. Just think about some of the public figures: Clinton, Spitzer (NY Gov), Cosby, the Detroit Mayor, Newsome (SF Mayor), the LA Mayor, Dr. J, Jesse Jackson, Kobe, Stray-Rod. The list is endless. Our governor's chief of staff resigned a couple years ago over a problem that originated with an affair.
I think it starts with "playing with fire" and ends with wound and dishonor. Anytime a Christian friend talks to me about creeping, I tell them about these verses.