To many people disagree with this, including myself. It's clear to reasonable people as to what the Bible is teaching in this subject matter. Maybe pray a sincere prayer and ask for the "wisdom of Solomon".
It's clear to me, its suggested meaning. Read at the beginning of the thread. I'm just talking about "what it says"literally", because there are a great many people who believe the bible is the literal word of God. They like to use this literal translation when talking about the bible while preaching, witnessing, condemning, etc...
So i think it's important, that we are clear on it. Don't you?
It sounds like you are trying to force your own teaching, rather than what the Bible teaches. Again, if you are really sincere about your belief in God, then ask for His guidance.
Not at all. I'm using the english definitions of the words used. They are not my teaching.
What are you using?
Beating someone with a
rod VERSUS
irritating someone.
Is that what prayer does GC? Does it make me ignore the meaning of words?
PS: This is from my dictionary on my mac:
exasperate |igˈzaspəˌrāt|
verb [ trans. ]
irritate intensely; infuriate : this futile process exasperates prison officials | [as adj. ] ( exasperated) she grew exasperated with his inability to notice anything | [as adj. ] ( exasperating) they suffered a number of exasperating setbacks.
irritate |ˈiriˌtāt|
verb [ trans. ]
make (someone) annoyed, impatient, or angry : his tone irritated her | [ intrans. ] his voice tends to irritate | [as adj. ] ( irritating) highly irritating remarks.
• cause inflammation or other discomfort in (a part of the body).
• Biology stimulate (an organism, cell, or organ) to produce an active response.
punish |ˈpəni sh |
verb [ trans. ]
inflict a penalty or sanction on (someone) as retribution for an offense, esp. a transgression of a legal or moral code : I have done wrong and I'm being punished for it.
• inflict a penalty or sanction on someone for (such an offense) : fraudulent acts would be punished by up to two years in prison.
• treat (someone) in an unfairly harsh way : a rise in prescription charges would punish the poor.
• [usu. as adj. ] ( punishing) subject (someone or something) to severe and debilitating treatment : the recession was having a punishing effect on our business.
beating |ˈbēti ng |
noun
1 a punishment or assault in which the victim is hit repeatedly : if he got dirt on his clothes, he'd get a beating | torture methods included beating.
2 pulsation or throbbing, typically of the heart.
3 a defeat in a competitive situation.
rod |räd|
noun
1 a thin straight bar, esp. of wood or metal.
• a wand or staff as a symbol of office, authority, or power.
• a slender straight stick or shoot growing on or cut from a tree or bush.
•
a stick used for caning or flogging.• ( the rod) the use of such a stick as punishment : if you'd been my daughter, you'd have felt the rod.
• vulgar slang a penis.
2 a fishing rod.
3 historical a linear measure, esp. for land, equal to 51/2yards (approximately 5.029 m).
• (also square rod) a square measure, esp. for land, equal to 160th of an acre or 301/4square yards (approximately 25.29 sq m).
4 informal a pistol or revolver.
I wonder what definition of the word "rod" do you think the bible was talking GC?
At the very minimum, it's a contradiction if your irritating/exasperating definition were to apply.
If God was speaking clear he'd have just said: Don't beat your child with a rod, it's abusive. And the proverb even suggests not to worry about killing your child if you beat/punish him with a rod. But to say: irritate or exasperate? Come on, could he be anymore vague and ambiguous?
Maybe he should follow his own advice:
He that hath knowledge spareth his words.
Proverbs, 17. 27
Disclaimer: I very much believe in God.
