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Title: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: pellius on March 26, 2009, 11:31:41 AM
Interesting article on heavy vs. lighter training and intensity requirements.

http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_11989984
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Post by: onlyme on March 26, 2009, 11:50:31 AM
Didn't read it but pretty sure it was written by a little guy
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Post by: SHUTUPANDTRAIN on March 26, 2009, 11:56:31 AM
Interesting article on heavy vs. lighter training and intensity requirements.

http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_11989984

Hey Hey pellius are you in Palo Alto???
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Post by: 240 is Back on March 26, 2009, 11:57:55 AM
Didn't read it but pretty sure it was written by a little guy

LOL... yeah, in theory, that 8 to 12 rep stuff with loads of chicken and rice is the gameplan.

In most gyms, the biggest and strongest guys are lifting dogshit heavy and eating all the double cheeseburgers they can get their hands on.
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Post by: Bobby on March 26, 2009, 11:58:11 AM
all those years of pushing heavy iron has taken a toll on one of my knees, today i train with lighter weights and higher reps for legs
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Post by: QuakerOats on March 26, 2009, 12:01:48 PM
all those years of pushing heavy iron has taken a toll on one of my knees, today i train with lighter weights and higher reps for legs
do you go for the health look these days?
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Post by: Bobby on March 26, 2009, 12:05:22 PM
do you go for the health look these days?

without steroids it's kinda hard to go for the freak look :D
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Post by: Tre on March 26, 2009, 12:06:03 PM
all those years of pushing heavy iron has taken a toll on one of my knees, today i train with lighter weights and higher reps for legs

Ski!
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: Captain Equipoise on March 26, 2009, 12:07:20 PM
all those years of pushing heavy iron has taken a toll on one of my knees, today i train with lighter weights and higher reps for legs

It's true man, when I first started lifting I got up to doing military presses with 2 1/2 plates a side, now if I tried that I think my shoulder would pop out of the socket, I definetly feel the wear and tear of years of heavy lifting, now I lift smart. Any guy that says years of heavy lifting doesn't take a toll on your body is full of shit, you feel it in your joints, ligaments and tendons.
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Post by: #1 Klaus fan on March 26, 2009, 12:07:45 PM
"For example, research from Arizona State University showed that the greatest strength gains on collegiate athletes were made training with 85 percent of their 1 rep max. In addition, this training load did not increase muscle size"

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

Or they fucked up somewhere.
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Post by: pumpster on March 26, 2009, 12:12:03 PM
It's not saying not to go heavy, but to go heavy in the context of medium or higher reps. Big difference in injury prevention and tissue development vs. lower reps and ponderous weight that strenthens ligaments and can cause more injuries.

I don't agree with the need for high volume though, maybe they didn't separate this out and consider what higher and lower volume could do while varying the intensity of each set.

Quote
In addition, this training load did not increase muscle size"

Using 85% of max. all the time isn't going to maximize size but it's good for athletics.
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Post by: The Showstoppa on March 26, 2009, 12:19:57 PM
Didn't read it but pretty sure it was written by a little guy

Thread over....lock this bitch up.
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Post by: funk51 on March 26, 2009, 12:44:18 PM
heavy is a relative term. for some  a 280 bench press is heavy, for others like me i can do it for 20 or more reps. not bragging i think i suck and can get a lot stronger just illustrating that heavy is a relative term.
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: pellius on March 26, 2009, 12:46:17 PM
It's not saying not to go heavy, but to go heavy in the context of medium or higher reps. Big difference in injury prevention and tissue development vs. lower reps and ponderous weight that strenthens ligaments and can cause more injuries.

I don't agree with the need for high volume though, maybe they didn't separate this out and consider what higher and lower volume could do while varying the intensity of each set.

Using 85% of max. all the time isn't going to maximize size but it's good for athletics.

Exactly. People often confuse training heavy and training heavy for you. For a novice doing an 185lb bench for 8 reps and failing at the ninth rep is just as heavy for him as a juiced up vet doing 8 reps at 405lbs. You should always train as heavy as you can within the given parameters. So if your rep scheme is 10 reps then you should pick a weight heavy enough that makes it impossible to do the 11th rep. You should always try for additional reps and in progressive training you hopefully should be able to say, work up to 12 reps, then you increase the weight and go at it again.
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Post by: heavyNbasic on March 26, 2009, 01:02:44 PM
It's true man, when I first started lifting I got up to doing military presses with 2 1/2 plates a side, now if I tried that I think my shoulder would pop out of the socket, I definetly feel the wear and tear of years of heavy lifting, now I lift smart. Any guy that says years of heavy lifting doesn't take a toll on your body is full of shit, you feel it in your joints, ligaments and tendons.


QFT.

Def important to maintain proper biomechanics as you approach failure.  Back in the day, I used to push more weight, and would usually end up getting sloppy on the last few reps.  Although I always maintained good form, I didn't concentrate enough on getting the muscles firing properly; caused lots of stress on the joints.  My reps are a lot more joint friendly these days, although I still go to failure.  If I knew then what I know now, eh.
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: Mars on March 26, 2009, 01:04:21 PM
using light weights is for fags.
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Post by: QuakerOats on March 26, 2009, 01:06:01 PM
heavy is a relative term. for some  a 280 bench press is heavy, for others like me i can do it for 20 or more reps. not bragging i think i suck and can get a lot stronger just illustrating that heavy is a relative term.
::)
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Post by: Mars on March 26, 2009, 01:07:36 PM
haha funk is one of the strongest benchers ever.
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: heavyNbasic on March 26, 2009, 01:11:23 PM
using light weights is for fags.

werd.
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: HTexan on March 26, 2009, 01:20:06 PM
using light weights is for fags.
or bbers.
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Post by: wild willie on March 26, 2009, 01:28:38 PM
if you want to get big...... train with moderate weights in the 10-12 rep range.

if you want to stroke your ego and are insecure...... train with weights that are too heavy for you.

feel what you are doing!!!!
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Post by: funk51 on March 26, 2009, 01:30:03 PM
haha funk is one of the strongest benchers ever.
          i won't say that i think i suck, but i'm not terrible for a non juicer at 220 lbs bwt.
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Post by: Mars on March 26, 2009, 01:30:20 PM
if you want to get big...... train with moderate weights in the 10-12 rep range.

if you want to stroke your ego and are insecure...... train with weights that are too heavy for you.

feel what you are doing!!!!

staying in the comfort zone "wild willie"?
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Post by: #1 Klaus fan on March 26, 2009, 01:52:13 PM
if you want to get big...... train with moderate weights in the 10-12 rep range.

if you want to stroke your ego and are insecure...... train with weights that are too heavy for you.

feel what you are doing!!!!

 ::)
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Post by: Blockhead on March 26, 2009, 02:05:20 PM
if you want to get big...... train with moderate weights in the 10-12 rep range.

if you want to stroke your ego and are insecure...... train with weights that are too heavy for you.

feel what you are doing!!!!
I agree with this.

 It's all about high intensity contractions and engourging the muscle with blood not to mention feeling the muscle do the work and not the joints. I occasionally train with an "IFBB Pro" who just recently went pro who suprisingly doesn't go as heavy as the impression his body would tell you.

 Some of the best arms I've ever seen and he rarely uses a dumbbell heavier than 45lbs, 120 for incline presses and 8 plate a side for leg pressing. He constantly preaches that you must feel the muscle and only the target muscle doing the work. From what I understand he hasn't trained heavy in years and tells me he grew the most when he switched to a moderate weight for reps in the 10, 12 to 15 range.



 - Block!
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Post by: drkaje on March 26, 2009, 02:05:55 PM
Need more info. Something really doesn't make sense and without seeing/reading what the study design was.
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Post by: #1 Klaus fan on March 26, 2009, 02:07:41 PM
It's all about high intensity contractions and engourging the muscle with blood not to mention feeling the muscle do the work and not the joints.

How can the joints do the work?
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Post by: Fatpanda on March 26, 2009, 02:15:21 PM
"For example, research from Arizona State University showed that the greatest strength gains on collegiate athletes were made training with 85 percent of their 1 rep max. In addition, this training load did not increase muscle size"

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

Or they fucked up somewhere.

exactly, i can think of 3 seperare meta studies that compare hundreds of studies on hypertrophy and strength and all the the exact oposite of this clown.  ::)
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Post by: Rami on March 26, 2009, 02:20:22 PM
without steroids it's kinda hard to go for the freak look :D

people do it though, only makes a natural fat and delusional.
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Post by: The Showstoppa on March 26, 2009, 02:28:14 PM
I agree with this.

 It's all about high intensity contractions and engourging the muscle with blood not to mention feeling the muscle do the work and not the joints. I occasionally train with an "IFBB Pro" who just recently went pro who suprisingly doesn't go as heavy as the impression his body would tell you.

 Some of the best arms I've ever seen and he rarely uses a dumbbell heavier than 45lbs, 120 for incline presses and 8 plate a side for leg pressing. He constantly preaches that you must feel the muscle and only the target muscle doing the work. From what I understand he hasn't trained heavy in years and tells me he grew the most when he switched to a moderate weight for reps in the 10, 12 to 15 range.



 - Block!

Block, not trying to be an ass, but your buddy is probably jacked to the gills AND more importantly is extremely genetically gifted.  He could probably curl a soup can and see growth....some people are just like that.   But for the avg joe, it just isn't going to happen.  Thats why you see so many guys in the gym, who even though they have been training for years, look exactly like they did 5 years ago.....they can tell you exactly how many reps, weight and sets they do for everything....they never truly push themselves. 
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Post by: tbombz on March 26, 2009, 02:30:35 PM
Block, not trying to be an ass, but your buddy is probably jacked to the gills AND more importantly is extremely genetically gifted.  He could probably curl a soup can and see growth....some people are just like that.   But for the avg joe, it just isn't going to happen.  Thats why you see so many guys in the gym, who even though they have been training for years, look exactly like they did 5 years ago.....they can tell you exactly how many reps, weight and sets they do for everything....they never truly push themselves. 

they look the same because they never push themselves, not because they are training in the 8-12 rep range.


its common knowledge and established fact that using a weight in which you reach failure between 8-12 is the best amount of weight to use in order to grow muscles as big as possible.


heavy weights are absolutely necessary, however heavy weights within that rep range and while keeping all the tension and work on the target muscle. 
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 26, 2009, 02:35:56 PM
they look the same because they never push themselves, not because they are training in the 8-12 rep range.


its common knowledge and established fact that using a weight in which you reach failure between 8-12 is the best amount of weight to use in order to grow muscles as big as possible.


heavy weights are absolutely necessary, however heavy weights within that rep range and while keeping all the tension and work on the target muscle. 

I agree with you on the rep range and not pushing themselves.  This "study" and thread makes it sound like you don't want to get too heavy, best to backoff and use higher reps.  I don't think that stimulates growth in most people.
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Post by: Bobby on March 26, 2009, 02:43:34 PM
I agree with this.

 It's all about high intensity contractions and engourging the muscle with blood not to mention feeling the muscle do the work and not the joints. I occasionally train with an "IFBB Pro" who just recently went pro who suprisingly doesn't go as heavy as the impression his body would tell you.

 Some of the best arms I've ever seen and he rarely uses a dumbbell heavier than 45lbs, 120 for incline presses and 8 plate a side for leg pressing. He constantly preaches that you must feel the muscle and only the target muscle doing the work. From what I understand he hasn't trained heavy in years and tells me he grew the most when he switched to a moderate weight for reps in the 10, 12 to 15 range.



 - Block!

Phil Heath? spill the beans

they look the same because they never push themselves, not because they are training in the 8-12 rep range.


its common knowledge and established fact that using a weight in which you reach failure between 8-12 is the best amount of weight to use in order to grow muscles as big as possible.


heavy weights are absolutely necessary, however heavy weights within that rep range and while keeping all the tension and work on the target muscle. 

agreed...

1 stay in comfort zone = no progress
2 push yourself = heavy, but still in the 8-12 rep range with good form
3 push too much = too heavy less than 6 reps

you don't want to go too heavy and get problems, but you don't want to be a tiny tit and stay in the comfort zone either
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on March 26, 2009, 03:06:56 PM
We could all agree that the best option is to use the full rep range from 1 to 15 because they all have benefits.



(Doing singles doesn't mean you use your 1 rep max! It can be anything under it.)
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Post by: drkaje on March 26, 2009, 03:09:17 PM
Someone should find the original study.

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Post by: rccs on March 26, 2009, 04:05:22 PM
Strongmen don't have any muscle, because they go heavy... ahahah nor do powerlifters.... shitty article... People here are confuse about shredded muscle (bbing type) and bulked muscle (all the others strength athletes, even thoug we have examples like Pudzianowski that looses in mass only to Ruhl and Wolf...)
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Post by: pumpster on March 26, 2009, 04:54:49 PM
Pudzianowski that looses in mass only to Ruhl and Wolf...)

Pudz uses BB training and moderate reps for that, always has.
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Post by: drkaje on March 26, 2009, 04:57:04 PM
No PDF of the article was available. There was a pretty good one on rotator cuff maintenance.
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Post by: tbombz on March 26, 2009, 05:47:44 PM
Strongmen don't have any muscle, because they go heavy... ahahah nor do powerlifters.... shitty article... People here are confuse about shredded muscle (bbing type) and bulked muscle (all the others strength athletes, even thoug we have examples like Pudzianowski that looses in mass only to Ruhl and Wolf...)
pudzianowsi has a great physique but he doesnt compare to ifbb professionals....
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: New Hank Wood on March 26, 2009, 06:17:19 PM
Time to learn dipshits; 'Heavy and prolonged lifting causes joint and tendon damage!'

Lift within your genetic limit.  And yes, lift properly!  Slow on the positive, even slower on the negative.

Never, i repeat never, take advice from a Meathead as they are either a juicer or have limited pysiological understanding !

To many retarded drug addicts in this sport who are quick to dispel misinformation about lifting!
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Post by: The Wizard of Truth on March 26, 2009, 06:20:42 PM
Time to learn dipshits; 'Heavy and prolonged lifting causes joint and tendon damage!'

Lift within your genetic limit.  And yes, lift properly!  Slow on the positive, even slower on the negative.

Never, i repeat never, take advice from a Meathead as they are either a juicer or have limited pysiological understanding !

To many retarded drug addicts in this sport who are quick to dispel misinformation about lifting!
Well everybody is differant,Some people grow a particular bodypart by high reps,moderate weights,for others they get great results from heavy weights,lower reps
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Post by: drkaje on March 26, 2009, 06:23:17 PM
Time to learn dipshits; 'Heavy and prolonged lifting causes joint and tendon damage!'

Lift within your genetic limit.  And yes, lift properly!  Slow on the positive, even slower on the negative.

Never, i repeat never, take advice from a Meathead as they are either a juicer or have limited pysiological understanding !

To many retarded drug addicts in this sport who are quick to dispel misinformation about lifting!

Doesn't everyone know that already? Tendons can only grow about 5% in a year so being stronger probably accelerates wear. Also, bigger muscles have higher pre-load.
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Post by: JOCKTHEGLIDE on March 26, 2009, 06:27:43 PM
I REECIEVE PMS Q ON THIS NO YOU DONT NEED TO LIFE HEAYI ON WEIGHT TO GET BIG,,,,,YOU NEED TO LIFT WITH FEELING MUSZLE ITSELF,,,,POWER LIFTER LIFT HEAVY NOT BIG VS,,,BODYBUILDER HIMSELF,,,,I TRAN MEANYLY GUYS WHO LIFT LIGHTAND ARE BIGGER THAN FELLAS WHO LIFT HEAVY WY YOU THINK ALL LITTLE GUYS LIFT HEAVY THEY THINK THEY CAN BE BIG BY TRYING TO LIFT HEAVIEST WEIGHT IN GYM TO SHOW OFF THEN THEY DONT GET BIG AT ALL THEY DO ONE REP,,,,THEN DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN THEY SMALL ALL YEAR WHILE ANOTHER GUY LIFT MODERATE WEIGHT AND GET BIG YEAR ROUND,,,
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Post by: tbombz on March 26, 2009, 06:30:37 PM
Time to learn dipshits; 'Heavy and prolonged lifting causes joint and tendon damage!'

Lift within your genetic limit.  And yes, lift properly!  Slow on the positive, even slower on the negative.

Never, i repeat never, take advice from a Meathead as they are either a juicer or have limited pysiological understanding !

To many retarded drug addicts in this sport who are quick to dispel misinformation about lifting!
slow on the positive , thats not a good idea.
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Post by: Obvious Gimmick on March 26, 2009, 06:32:40 PM
pick up something heavy: lift it 6 - 8 times. repeat. this isnt rocket surgery!
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Post by: New Hank Wood on March 26, 2009, 06:36:11 PM
As we know, Pro's aren't the smartest of people, that is why they choose to lift!

Again, train smart. You can actually make the so-called 'lighter weight' feel heavy through proper mechanics.  That's right, it all about the form; full reps and shorter breaks. Ramp up the intensity and 'not' the weight to see growth without injury.

And yes, never listen to the advice of a drug addicted, needle-shooting Pro.  They only grow because they are pharmaceutical cheats!
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Post by: pumpster on March 26, 2009, 06:40:08 PM
others they get great results from heavy weights,lower reps

Ya but those guys unless they are in the minority who never get injured will pay the price, when very likely they could do as well or better with higher reps.


Quote
pudzianowsi has a great physique but he doesnt compare to ifbb professionals....

Actually he has an awesome physique by almost any measure at around 6', 300 lb. including plenty of size. As i said his physique being superior to most strongmen is in part due to including BB training which he does seriously.
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Post by: #1 Klaus fan on March 26, 2009, 06:43:06 PM
Time to learn dipshits; 'Heavy and prolonged lifting causes joint and tendon damage!'

More like 'prolonged anything causes joint and tendon damage!'
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: New Hank Wood on March 26, 2009, 06:45:58 PM
I will break it down for you dumb-as-shit Retards.

Heavy curls= Destroyed elbow joint
Heavy shoulders and bench= Destroyed rotator cuffs
Heavy squats= Destroyed knees
Heavy deads= Destroyed lower backs

Now do you understand?  

F##king ignorant  and uneducated f##ktards!
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on March 26, 2009, 06:47:24 PM
I will break it down for you dumb-as-shit Retards.

Heavy curls= Destroyed elbow joint
Heavy shoulders and bench= Destroyed rotator cuffs
Heavy squats= Destroyed knees
Heavy deads= Destroyed lower backs

Now do you understand?  

F##king ignorant  and uneducated f##ktards!

What is "heavy"? Is 100 pounds heavy?
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Post by: INSOMNIA on March 26, 2009, 06:51:01 PM
rocket surgery!

 :D
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Post by: INSOMNIA on March 26, 2009, 06:52:01 PM
I will break it down for you dumb-as-shit Retards.

Heavy curls= Destroyed elbow joint
Heavy shoulders and bench= Destroyed rotator cuffs
Heavy squats= Destroyed knees
Heavy deads= Destroyed lower backs

Now do you understand?  

F##king ignorant  and uneducated f##ktards!


hahaha i love this guy   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: elite_lifter on March 26, 2009, 08:05:54 PM
they look the same because they never push themselves, not because they are training in the 8-12 rep range.


its common knowledge and established fact that using a weight in which you reach failure between 8-12 is the best amount of weight to use in order to grow muscles as big as possible.heavy weights are absolutely necessary, however heavy weights within that rep range and while keeping all the tension and work on the target muscle. 
That is what I have done over the years and what have given me the best results. No doubt, that range/weight is what hypertrophy is all about.
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Post by: jason_deluxe on March 26, 2009, 08:10:35 PM
LOL... yeah, in theory, that 8 to 12 rep stuff with loads of chicken and rice is the gameplan.

In most gyms, the biggest and fattest strongest guys permabulkers are lifting dogshit heavy and eating all the double cheeseburgers they can get their hands on.

Corrected.
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Post by: Bossa on March 26, 2009, 08:11:19 PM
Fro a LONG time i mainly did 3 sets of 6 per exercise and just increased the weight when I got all 6 reps on each set...just started doing higher reps and it feels wierd
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Post by: io856 on March 26, 2009, 08:12:46 PM
I will break it down for you dumb-as-shit Retards.

Heavy curls= Destroyed elbow joint
Heavy shoulders and bench= Destroyed rotator cuffs
Heavy squats= Destroyed knees
Heavy deads= Destroyed lower backs

Now do you understand? 

F##king ignorant  and uneducated f##ktards!

Maybe you are more suited to something where you don't have to deadlift, squat, bench press, bicep curl, shoulder press ??

Also why do you only have to use one rep range?

Why not train the muscle with a high rep and low rep day?
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on March 26, 2009, 08:50:36 PM
Maybe you are more suited to something where you don't have to deadlift, squat, bench press, bicep curl, shoulder press ??

Also why do you only have to use one rep range?

Why not train the muscle with a high rep and low rep day?

Hank Wood can't answer you, excessive writing destroys wrist and finger joints.
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: io856 on March 26, 2009, 09:16:04 PM
Hank Wood can't answer you, excessive writing destroys wrist and finger joints.
;D
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Post by: luvvsuNOT on March 26, 2009, 10:13:55 PM
they look the same because they never push themselves, not because they are training in the 8-12 rep range.

heavy weights are absolutely necessary, however heavy weights within that rep range and while keeping all the tension and work on the target muscle. 

QFT!
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: luvvsuNOT on March 26, 2009, 10:17:42 PM
I REECIEVE PMS Q ON THIS NO YOU DONT NEED TO LIFE HEAYI ON WEIGHT TO GET BIG,,,,,YOU NEED TO LIFT WITH FEELING MUSZLE ITSELF,,,,POWER LIFTER LIFT HEAVY NOT BIG VS,,,BODYBUILDER HIMSELF,,,,I TRAN MEANYLY GUYS WHO LIFT LIGHTAND ARE BIGGER THAN FELLAS WHO LIFT HEAVY WY YOU THINK ALL LITTLE GUYS LIFT HEAVY THEY THINK THEY CAN BE BIG BY TRYING TO LIFT HEAVIEST WEIGHT IN GYM TO SHOW OFF THEN THEY DONT GET BIG AT ALL THEY DO ONE REP,,,,THEN DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN THEY SMALL ALL YEAR WHILE ANOTHER GUY LIFT MODERATE WEIGHT AND GET BIG YEAR ROUND,,,

I never get tired of the gh15 imitation. Nicely done.
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: luvvsuNOT on March 26, 2009, 10:20:58 PM
I will break it down for you dumb-as-shit Retards.

Heavy curls= Destroyed elbow joint
Heavy shoulders and bench= Destroyed rotator cuffs
Heavy squats= Destroyed knees
Heavy deads= Destroyed lower backs

Now do you understand?  

F##king ignorant  and uneducated f##ktards!

Your posts, though I often disagree, are usually sober, measured, well thought out, and articulate. I sense anger and rage. Did someone hurt you? Who hurt you?
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: luvvsuNOT on March 26, 2009, 10:23:51 PM
That is what I have done over the years and what have given me the best results. No doubt, that range/weight is what hypertrophy is all about.

Since you used the word "hypertrophy" maybe Vince Basile will now weigh in.
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Post by: New Hank Wood on March 26, 2009, 10:30:03 PM
Again, train within your genetic limits. Challenge yourself and remember to train for you... and only you!

But for Christ f##king sake, never take advice from these drug addicted Pro's who consistently say to 'train heavy and eat big!'

Yes, these retarded insecure-drug-user- Pro's speak only from their pharmaceutical perch.  They have as much credibility as the 'speed-users', who try to lecture people on the secrets of high-energy health regimes....

Never forget, a Pro= drug cheat; he has shrunken balls and doesn't have the drive nor motivation to train chemical free (for health and self satisfaction)!

 
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Post by: clued-up on March 26, 2009, 10:33:36 PM
Yes, these retarded insecure-drug-user- Pro's

weren't you a pro?
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Post by: onlyme on March 26, 2009, 11:36:18 PM
I will break it down for you dumb-as-shit Retards.

Heavy curls= Destroyed elbow joint
Heavy shoulders and bench= Destroyed rotator cuffs
Heavy squats= Destroyed knees
Heavy deads= Destroyed lower backs

Now do you understand? 

F##king ignorant  and uneducated f##ktards!

really?  I very very rarely ever do more than 6 to 8 reps with as heavy as I can go.  I do FULL reps and anyone who has lifted with me or seen me knows this.  I never once got hurt lifting heavy in more than 30 years.  I blew out my L4 and L5 squatting with 315 and I had a minor pec tear warming up with 225.  First who the fuck are you.  Do you even lift.  You have not once proved you even lift.  All you do is talk.  Don't give advice on shit you know nothing about.  All you do is talk shit with nothing to back it up.  Now call me fat and whatever else but the facts are I have lifted and I have lifted very heavy.  yo on the other hand can't prove nothing.  So shut up and sit back and learn dipshit you are a joke
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: Tyr on March 27, 2009, 12:06:29 AM
Again, train within your genetic limits. Challenge yourself and remember to train for you... and only you!

But for Christ f##king sake, never take advice from these drug addicted Pro's who consistently say to 'train heavy and eat big!'

Yes, these retarded insecure-drug-user- Pro's speak only from their pharmaceutical perch.  They have as much credibility as the 'speed-users', who try to lecture people on the secrets of high-energy health regimes....

Never forget, a Pro= drug cheat; he has shrunken balls and doesn't have the drive nor motivation to train chemical free (for health and self satisfaction)!

 

Nice way of putting it
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: New Hank Wood on March 27, 2009, 12:21:40 AM
Keith, you are hardly the authority to comment on developing an envious physique! Look at you, look at what you represent!

Even those photos of you in your so-called prime, show a hideously bloated piece-of-shit with bitch tits, pregnant belly and massive bowling-ball-head!

You bring nothing to the table in terms of health and fitness.  You have lived the life of gluttony and excess!

So shut your mouth fatman and go back to your porn and photo-shopping penises.

Your type repulse me.  You are a failed promoter and business man who blames everyone but yourself for your misery!

 Yes Keith, your only relief is finding your dick with a magnifying glass and then using tweezers to try and blow a load!
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 27, 2009, 12:23:35 AM
Look at you, look at what you represent!


found my new sig line :D
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: onlyme on March 27, 2009, 12:29:56 AM
Keith, you are hardly the authority to comment on developing an envious physique! Look at you, look at what you represent!

Even those photos of you in your so-called prime, show a hideously bloated piece-of-shit with bitch tits, pregnant belly and massive bowling-ball-head!

You bring nothing to the table in terms of health and fitness.  You have lived the life of gluttony and excess!

So shut your mouth fatman and go back to your porn and photo-shopping penises.

Your type repulse me.  You are a failed promoter and business man who blames everyone but yourself for your misery!

 Yes Keith, your only relief is finding your dick with a magnifying glass and then using tweezers to try and blow a load!
hahaha coming from a no name big mouth with nothing to show.  Wow what happened you big pussy I hit a nerve.  I have met handicapped people who have done more with their lives.  Sorry Spanky you lose.  How is it being a loser, knowing it, having to hide it, pretending to know things, living a shitty life, attempting to put down people who blow you away in every sense of the word, and doing it all while hiding behind a computer.  In real life you are called a pussy.  Live with that cause thats all yo can do.  hhahahaha what a pathetic moron.  Keep it up yo are building your post count of worthless posts.
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: saucetradomous on March 27, 2009, 12:33:43 AM
Keith.. what is your scheduel like these days? 
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: New Hank Wood on March 27, 2009, 12:53:16 AM
Keith, when you are 'called out' for your morbid obesity, pathlogical obsession with pornography and your failed businesses, you predictably and uncreatively attempt to 'turn the tables'.

Why do you do this you illiterate f#ck?

Yes Keith, your responses are so f#cking predictable. Maybe it is time to try a new approach? 

Maybe it is time to acknowledge your grotesque physicality, insidious porn addiction and the fact that all your problems are of your own making!

Keith, it is time to embrace what little life you may have left!  Deal with your fatty liver, plaque filled arteries, diabetes, diseased pornographic mind, fatty liver and those weeping-sores from sitting on your ass too long!
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: elite_lifter on March 27, 2009, 08:12:14 AM
Since you used the word "hypertrophy" maybe Vince Basile will now weigh in.
Vince doesn't know shit about hypertrophy. Vince was in shape, if you want to call it that, for about thirty seconds after

swallowing a handfull of dbol. Vince has spent more time in the gym "eyeing" men in the squat rack then he has actually spent

lifting. Vince is nothing more than a fat useless lonely bastard who has a sexual fascination towards Vince Goodrum which makes him

stalk Vince. Basile is known to have an attraction for girls and boys of a questionable age. He is a sick fuck who doesn't have

anything anybody should want to hear on this site. Vince is at the age where he is approaching deaths door, and I will be happy

to see him enter.
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: Grape Ape on March 27, 2009, 08:21:55 AM
I don't consider maxing out on a lift stroking my ego. It's about pushing myself to the absolute limit and that's what people who have no interest in real strength training will ever understand. These threads comparing bodybuilding and strength training never go anywhere because the majority of people who post here don't have a fucking clue.

I agree with this.

I wished I had learned  strength training techniques  10 years ago.  I wouldn't have wasted my time with useless BB isolation exercises, leg presses, etc.

1-2 reps lifts, overloading on partials, etc... are all great ways to improve performance outside the gym.  You just have to learn to cycle them and warm up properly.
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: Earl1972 on March 27, 2009, 11:12:08 AM
heavy is less than 6 reps and based on the guys i see in my gym who always bench for 1 - 4 reps, I'd say yeah lifting heavy isn't ideal if you want bigger muscles

some of these guys look like they would struggle to bench 225 but they do 315 for 1 or 2 reps

also the leg press, the guys that use about 10 plates a side for 4 or 5 reps don't have legs as good as the guys who use 5 plates for 12 reps

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Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: dodger on March 27, 2009, 04:11:18 PM
really?  I very very rarely ever do more than 6 to 8 reps with as heavy as I can go.  I do FULL reps and anyone who has lifted with me or seen me knows this.  I never once got hurt lifting heavy in more than 30 years.  I blew out my L4 and L5 squatting with 315 and I had a minor pec tear warming up with 225.  First who the fuck are you.  Do you even lift.  You have not once proved you even lift.  All you do is talk.  Don't give advice on shit you know nothing about.  All you do is talk shit with nothing to back it up.  Now call me fat and whatever else but the facts are I have lifted and I have lifted very heavy.  yo on the other hand can't prove nothing.  So shut up and sit back and learn dipshit you are a joke
:)
Title: Re: Don't want big muscles? Lift heavy.
Post by: New Hank Wood on March 28, 2009, 01:29:10 AM
Ever heard of the phrase ''you can make a light weight...heavy''.

So again f##ktards, lifting is a state of mind.

Remember, it is these drug addict Pro's who like to espouse the virtues of heavy lifting.  These dumb ass roiders have little to no understanding of physiology and mind/muscle psychology!

Again, do not give these steroid-injecting-dickwads any credibility!

These so-called Pro's are responsible for nothing more than perpetuating and propagating this drug-fuelled-gym-mythology.