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Senate Apologizes for Slavery
By Terence Samuel
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Photo: KAREN BLEIER/AFP/Getty Images
No, this is not an Onion Headline. Six months into Barack Obama’s presidency, the ultimate good ol’ boys club quietly comes clean and seeks reconciliation, justice and harmony for the American people. Better way, way, way, late than never.
At two minutes before noon on Thursday, June 18, 2009, 146 years after Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation and 150 days after a black man took the presidential oath of office, the United States Senate, in a unanimous voice vote, apologized to African Americans for slavery and the racial discrimination during the Jim Crow era. It’s about damn time!
Introduced by Iowa Democrat Tom Harkin, and co-sponsored by 21 other senators, the resolution (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.CON.RES.26:) acknowledged that it is important “for the people of the United States, who legally recognized slavery through the Constitution and the laws of the United States, to make a formal apology for slavery and for its successor, Jim Crow, so they can move forward and seek reconciliation, justice, and harmony for all people of the United States.”
Who could disagree with that?
And so the Congress, “apologizes to African-Americans on behalf of the people of the United States, for the wrongs committed against them and their ancestors who suffered under slavery and Jim Crow laws.”
Apology accepted. But what’s taken so long? I know it is Constitutionally enshrined that the Senate is to act slowly, deliberately; that it is to be neither impetuous nor impulsive, but even by the most extreme standards, this was a ridiculously long deliberation -- 150 years is a longtime.
Of course, everyone would grant that an earlier apology without the hard work that has been done to end discrimination and racial injustice would have been a particularly empty gesture. So on this one, as with most things, actual hard work and progress counts more than just words. At least with Barack Obama in the White House, there is an argument to be made that the apology is sincere. One of the reasons for the delay was the complicated and complicating idea of reparations for slavery. Some have worried that the existence of an official apology would only strengthen the case for reparations; time, it seems, has just diminished those concerns.
Still the Senate was careful to address some of those concerns. The Senate resolution differs from the one passed by the House last summer, in that it includes a disclaimer that reads: “Nothing in this resolution-- (A) authorizes or supports any claim against the United States; or (B) serves as a settlement of any claim against the United States.” So forget any reparations claims based on this particular apology.
While the apology is official, it does not have the force of law. The President does not have to sign it allowing him whatever distance he needs from the debate. But both Presidents Clinton and Bush made a point to condemn the legacy of slavery with President Bush describing it as “one of the great crimes of history.”
Comments from the floor were predictably moving and contrite. Kansas Republican Sen. Sam Brownback said that with the resolution, the Senate was, on behalf of the American people, not just saying sorry, but also asking for forgiveness.
Harkin noted the historic quality of the moment: “The clerk just read for the first time ever in this body what we should have done a long time ago -- an apology for slavery and the Jim Crow laws which for a century after emancipation deprived millions of Americans their basic human rights, equal justice under law and equal opportunities.”
The apology notes that Africans were "were brutalized, humiliated, dehumanized and subjected to the indignity of being stripped of their names and heritage” and noted that “the system of slavery and the visceral racism against people of African descent upon which it depended became enmeshed in the social fabric of the United States.”
We know that problems remain. The resolution wisely acknowledges such: “African-Americans continue to suffer from the consequences of slavery and Jim Crow laws--long after both systems were formally abolished--through enormous damage and loss, both tangible and intangible, including the loss of human dignity and liberty.”
Shockingly late timing aside, there are passages of inescapable truth in the resolution that make it worth reading (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.CON.RES.26:). It says, for example, that “an apology for centuries of brutal dehumanization and injustices cannot erase the past, but confession of the wrongs committed and a formal apology to African-Americans will help bind the wounds of the Nation that are rooted in slavery.”
Yes, there are still wounds to be bound, and they are not all symbolic. The recent sub-prime mortgage crisis is reminder enough, for anyone who needs reminding. But that’s another debate. Another resolution.
Apology accepted.
Terence Samuel is Deputy Editor of The Root
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Now for the Africans to apologies for the slavery of white Europeans many moons ago.
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Are you fuking serious ::) apologize for something that nobody alive did or went through? LOL i bet rev wright and jesse jackson feel a great sense of accomplishment with this ::) get the fuck over it
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Don't they have anything better to be doing right now ::) When can we get all these jerkoffs out of office and get some people in there to do things that actually need done? My guess is never... This is the worthless crap we'll have to endure from these clowns until we're dead.
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Are you fuking serious ::) apologize for something that nobody alive did or went through? LOL i bet rev wright and jesse jackson feel a great sense of accomplishment with this ::) get the fuck over it
Whether anybody alive did it or went through it, does not change the fact that all Americans have inherited the consequences of it and must deal with it.
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Don't they have anything better to be doing right now ::) When can we get all these jerkoffs out of office and get some people in there to do things that actually need done? My guess is never... This is the worthless crap we'll have to endure from these clowns until we're dead.
yep...
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Whether anybody alive did it or went through it, does not change the fact that all Americans have inherited the consequences of it and must deal with it.
Right, so now I want Africans to apologise for the kidnap and slavery of white Europeans:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/white_slaves_01.shtml
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Whether anybody alive did it or went through it, does not change the fact that all Americans have inherited the consequences of it and must deal with it.
bullshit. It's not my fucking fault. The only thing that should come out of this is a history lesson, not consequences. Consequences only serve to add fuel to the fire. Get fucking over it for fuck sake. All people have been subject to extreme injustice at some point in history. It is valuable to learn that history. It is not valuable to make people who had nothing to do with it, pay for it. All you do is piss off people and like I said, add fuel to the fire. So STFU about it already.
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Right, so now I want Africans to apologise for the kidnap and slavery of white Europeans:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/white_slaves_01.shtml
You'll have to appeal to the governments of Morrocco, Algeria & Tunisia about that. I have no say in it.
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You'll have to appeal to the governments of Morrocco, Algeria & Tunisia about that. I have no say in it.
Then you don't have any say on slavery in America either...
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bullshit. It's not my fucking fault. The only thing that should come out of this is a history lesson, not consequences. Consequences only serve to add fuel to the fire. Get fucking over it for fuck sake. All people have been subject to extreme injustice at some point in history. It is valuable to learn that history. It is not valuable to make people who had nothing to do with it, pay for it. All you do is piss off people and like I said, add fuel to the fire. So STFU about it already.
Can you just calm the fuck down for a minute? There already have been consequences. Who is talking about reparations or adding fuel to fire? Slavery has impacted the USA. If one cannot learn the lessons from history (which is altogether different from a history lesson) there will be further consequences. The bottom line is, no you didn't create it, ...but you did inherit the mess. So the sooner you deal with it, the sooner you will be able to put it behind you as a nation. Once you move past the knee-jerk defensivesness and look at the legacy that has been left you as a nation, ...the sooner you will be able to put it past you, ...until then, it will continue to be there affecting the lives of all Americans everyday, ...whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
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Then you don't have any say on slavery in America either...
Defensive much? ;D
I'm not creating the news, just observing and reporting it.
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Defensive much? ;D
I'm not creating the news, just observing and reporting it.
Not defending anything... You've commented on slavery in this thread and in plenty of other threads here. But all of a sudden you can't have an opinion on what Nordic questioned you on ::) yea....
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Not defending anything... You've commented on slavery in this thread and in plenty of other threads here. But all of a sudden you can't have an opinion on what Nordic questioned you on ::) yea....
It's not that I can't have an opinion, ...simply that I don't have an opinion. This is the first I'm hearing of it.
Unlike some around here, I prefer to have at least some knowledge of a subject before I run my mouth off on it.
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It's not that I can't have an opinion, ...simply that I don't have an opinion. This is the first I'm hearing of it.
Unlike some around here, I prefer to have at least some knowledge of a subject before I run my mouth off on it.
Do you think the Senate was right to apologise now?
Do you think Africans should apologise for white slavery?
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Are you fuking serious ::) apologize for something that nobody alive did or went through? LOL i bet rev wright and jesse jackson feel a great sense of accomplishment with this ::) get the fuck over it
I say the same thing about the HOLOCAUST that NEVER happened...
BTW why is there a holocaust museum in america? in Africa? in India? In any country other than Germany where it supposedly happened?
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I say the same thing about the HOLOCAUST that NEVER happened...
BTW why is there a holocaust museum in america? in Africa? in India? In any country other than Germany where it supposedly happened?
Oh, you're denying facts once again. The true sign of an low-IQ idiot.
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Whether anybody alive did it or went through it, does not change the fact that all Americans have inherited the consequences of it and must deal with it.
Oh please, the constant harping on this is what keeps many blacks from progessing in this country.
Yes it was evil, yes it sucked, yes 600,000 people died ending it,
HOWEVER
Blacks today need to man up and get with the program.
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All of you are forgetting one very important thing, some of the largest slave owners/traders in the south were black. And another thing I am about sick of the "whatever"American bullshit. You are either an American first or go back to whatever country/nationality...... you put before America.
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All of you are forgetting one very important thing, some of the largest slave owners/traders in the south were black. And another thing I am about sick of the "whatever"American bullshit. You are either an American first or go back to whatever country/nationality...... you put before America.
AGREE
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I actually think its reasonable to have an official appology from the gov for historical wrongs that were condoned by our government. We now have official written appologies from the house and senate...long overdue.
However, any preferential treatment (affirmative action) or talk of reparations should stop.
There were many unjust things that have happened in the last century...we must learn from them and move on as better people...all of us.
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I support the motion, but I don't think many Americans will like the cost.
Once this goes to the supreme court with Liberal judges.
Reparations will be next.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/story/1104271.html
Sen. Roland Burris, D-Ill., the Senate's lone African-American, went to the floor after the Harkin resolution passed and said, ``I want to go on record making sure that that disclaimer in no way would eliminate future actions that may be brought before this body that may deal with reparations.''
We have been going through this in Canada where we Apologized and offered Cash Reparations for Indian School Abuse and the Chinese head tax.
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I support the motion, but I don't think many Americans will like the cost.
Once this goes to the supreme court with Liberal judges.
Reparations will be next.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/story/1104271.html
Sen. Roland Burris, D-Ill., the Senate's lone African-American, went to the floor after the Harkin resolution passed and said, ``I want to go on record making sure that that disclaimer in no way would eliminate future actions that may be brought before this body that may deal with reparations.''
We have been going through this in Canada where we Apologized and offered Cash Reparations for Indian School Abuse and the Chinese head tax.
I support reparations for anyone alive today who was a slave as long as they can collect from the slave owner, if not then to bad.
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Reparations are completely out of the question and it will hopefully be political suicide for anyone that pushes the idea. This is a radical idea.
The families of a great majority of people that live in the country were not here before world war I. The great migrations from Europe were between WW1 and WW2, thats a full lifetime after slavery was abolished.
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I support reparations for anyone alive today who was a slave as long as they can collect from the slave owner, if not then to bad.
I think the best line I heard about reparations.
Is the cost of the civil war.
That was cost of any reparations, because America could have let the South stay independent.
Of course now its about Jim Crow. That didn't make into Jags post.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2009/06/senate_apologizes_for_slavery.html
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Can you just calm the fuck down for a minute? There already have been consequences. Who is talking about reparations or adding fuel to fire? Slavery has impacted the USA. If one cannot learn the lessons from history (which is altogether different from a history lesson) there will be further consequences. The bottom line is, no you didn't create it, ...but you did inherit the mess. So the sooner you deal with it, the sooner you will be able to put it behind you as a nation. Once you move past the knee-jerk defensivesness and look at the legacy that has been left you as a nation, ...the sooner you will be able to put it past you, ...until then, it will continue to be there affecting the lives of all Americans everyday, ...whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
Wow,that was deep.How about this,we all stop bitching about injustices of the past and move on.Work hard,raise good families,and mind your own buisines.Perhaps if blacks concentrated on lowering their out of wedlock birth rates,that might be a better solution then a bunch of gutless cowards appologising.
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Are you fuking serious ::) apologize for something that nobody alive did or went through? LOL i bet rev wright and jesse jackson feel a great sense of accomplishment with this ::) get the fuck over it
I guess better late than never, but this is stupid.
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I support the motion, but I don't think many Americans will like the cost.
Once this goes to the supreme court with Liberal judges.
Reparations will be next.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/story/1104271.html
Sen. Roland Burris, D-Ill., the Senate's lone African-American, went to the floor after the Harkin resolution passed and said, ``I want to go on record making sure that that disclaimer in no way would eliminate future actions that may be brought before this body that may deal with reparations.''
We have been going through this in Canada where we Apologized and offered Cash Reparations for Indian School Abuse and the Chinese head tax.
Bah, Roland Burris, the assclown who was "selected" by the now impeached governor of Illinois because of the pay to play scandal. I don't think we are going to have to worry about this useful idiot much longer. Word is there is some bad shit on taped conversations between Blago and him.
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Whether anybody alive did it or went through it, does not change the fact that all Americans have inherited the consequences of it and must deal with it.
what mess exactly did we inherit jag?
if these ancestors of slaves are having such problems dealing with the after effects of slavery im sure they could go back to their home country couldnt they? shit id be willing to help send their stupid asses back id give money for that...again this shit doesnt affect ppl today to the extent that it needs to be brought up and apologized for...Im half japanese that doesnt mean i run around bringing up internment camps do I fuck noooo.
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I actually think its reasonable to have an official appology from the gov for historical wrongs that were condoned by our government. We now have official written appologies from the house and senate...long overdue.
However, any preferential treatment (affirmative action) or talk of reparations should stop.
There were many unjust things that have happened in the last century...we must learn from them and move on as better people...all of us.
I agree.
Let's look at the opposite.
The gov would say that it was OK?
This way it may be easier to look back at the history of the country, since it's so clear that this and that what wrong.
It's laid out.
And sort of dealt with.
Anyone noticed how much less we've had to deal with clowns like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson ever since Obama became president?
No matter if Obama will suck, that will at least be something we can comfort ourselves with. 8)
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My family had slaves in North Carolina in the 19th century. I demand a goddamn apology from congress for the unconstitutional seizure of personal property, and I also want reparations, with 145 years of compounded interest as well as a punitive settlement for lost income.
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My family had slaves in North Carolina in the 19th century. I demand a goddamn apology from congress for the unconstitutional seizure of personal property, and I also want reparations, with 145 years of compounded interest as well as a punitive settlement for lost income.
I'm 1/16 American Indian, I want an apology and shares in Cash Creek Casino. 8)
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I'm 1/16 American Indian, I want an apology and shares in Cash Creek Casino. 8)
Now you got it!
Who needs 40 acres in a mule when you can have a cash casino????
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Now you got it!
Who needs 40 acres in a mule when you can have a cash casino????
That's a pretty big goddamn mule.
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bullshit. It's not my fucking fault. The only thing that should come out of this is a history lesson, not consequences. Consequences only serve to add fuel to the fire. Get fucking over it for fuck sake. All people have been subject to extreme injustice at some point in history. It is valuable to learn that history. It is not valuable to make people who had nothing to do with it, pay for it. All you do is piss off people and like I said, add fuel to the fire. So STFU about it already.
Yo check this out chief. Im gonna type like i talk. But check it out. Without slaves, the America you know dosent exist today, in every way, socially, economically and another ally. Take for instance you have a business selling shirts over seas. You dont pay any of your employees anything vs. your competetion who has labor as part of their overhead. You would do much better that them right. Yeah thats the US as we know it and how it got to be a power. Now...Tell everyone that you now that the guy who made the shirts dosent have to be treated like a human at all. And for them to even want rights as a human is a dream because it is LEGLISLATION that makes them less than human. When that leglislation is finally out the door you say "well they are gonna be treated like humans but they will get the worst of everything, and if they ever try to make something of their own...well just burn it down (see blackwallstreet Tulsa OK, east st louis etc) and then look at the lasting effects and say, man get over it already. With all due respect bro. You can kiss my buff black ass with all that. Police beating up people because they are a certian race. Burning down churches with kids in them, killing non violent protestors...sheeeit that was all post slavery, sheeeeeit you got it fucked up.
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My family had slaves in North Carolina in the 19th century. I demand a goddamn apology from congress for the unconstitutional seizure of personal property, and I also want reparations, with 145 years of compounded interest as well as a punitive settlement for lost income.
im gonna kick your ass >:(
na im joking
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Yo check this out chief. Im gonna type like i talk. But check it out. Without slaves, the America you know dosent exist today, in every way, socially, economically and another ally. Take for instance you have a business selling shirts over seas. You dont pay any of your employees anything vs. your competetion who has labor as part of their overhead. You would do much better that them right. Yeah thats the US as we know it and how it got to be a power. Now...Tell everyone that you now that the guy who made the shirts dosent have to be treated like a human at all. And for them to even want rights as a human is a dream because it is LEGLISLATION that makes them less than human. When that leglislation is finally out the door you say "well they are gonna be treated like humans but they will get the worst of everything, and if they ever try to make something of their own...well just burn it down (see blackwallstreet Tulsa OK, east st louis etc) and then look at the lasting effects and say, man get over it already. With all due respect bro. You can kiss my buff black ass with all that. Police beating up people because they are a certian race. Burning down churches with kids in them, killing non violent protestors...sheeeit that was all post slavery, sheeeeeit you got it fucked up.
i can agree with that to a certain extent
also understand that if you are here b/c of slavery your life is exponentially better off then if your ancestors had never been brought here...like many have said theres no need to appologize in this day in age. I think more then enough appologies have been made to suffice for the shit that nobody here was around to endure or commit. Again how many japanese ppl you see running around yelling about internment camps? none they got on with their lives and the same needs to be done with the ppl who are obsessed with this shit... Learn something from it, dont harp on it
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Yo check this out chief. Im gonna type like i talk. But check it out. Without slaves, the America you know dosent exist today, in every way, socially, economically and another ally. Take for instance you have a business selling shirts over seas. You dont pay any of your employees anything vs. your competetion who has labor as part of their overhead. You would do much better that them right. Yeah thats the US as we know it and how it got to be a power. Now...Tell everyone that you now that the guy who made the shirts dosent have to be treated like a human at all. And for them to even want rights as a human is a dream because it is LEGLISLATION that makes them less than human. When that leglislation is finally out the door you say "well they are gonna be treated like humans but they will get the worst of everything, and if they ever try to make something of their own...well just burn it down (see blackwallstreet Tulsa OK, east st louis etc) and then look at the lasting effects and say, man get over it already. With all due respect bro. You can kiss my buff black ass with all that. Police beating up people because they are a certian race. Burning down churches with kids in them, killing non violent protestors...sheeeit that was all post slavery, sheeeeeit you got it fucked up.
Mal,your on your way to becoming a doctor.YOUR very life is PROOF that if you work all of that is overcome.No one is saying that that didnt set blacks back,however,this is a new age and time.If you can become a doctor,why cant the next guy.
Now,the last rash of church burning we had in thois country were committed by a nutty black guy down south.Anyone can concentrate on bullshit of the past but what good does it do?The best revenge is what your doing,beating the fucking system and going back to help the next guy do the same thing.If enough continue to do that then all of that past history wont mean a dam thing.
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i can agree with that to a certain extent
also understand that if you are here b/c of slavery your life is exponentially better off then if your ancestors had never been brought here...like many have said theres no need to appologize in this day in age. I think more then enough appologies have been made to suffice for the shit that nobody here was around to endure or commit. Again how many japanese ppl you see running around yelling about internment camps? none they got on with their lives and the same needs to be done with the ppl who are obsessed with this shit... Learn something from it, dont harp on it
im fully with that.
Im not gonna compare injustices because thats kind of wack. But all im saying is that it was like systematic destruction of a race over many years. But with that i do think we need to use successful Blacks as a counter weight to all the bull shit said about what we cant do and then try to acheive the same success. But to say "get over it" is like kind of wild im my eyes.
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im gonna kick your ass >:(
na im joking
Hey Mal... you need a job? ha ha!
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Why aren't people allowed to say get over the Holocaust?
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Hey Mal... you need a job? ha ha!
hahahahaha LMAO
do you mean job as in i dont get paid and get my ass whooped on a daily basis
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The way groups of disadvantaged (or oppressed) people have overcome their situations is to move forward and develop adaptive strategies and behaviors. The best way to overcome is certainly not to obsess over the plight of ancestors. Many people that came to this country were poor and/or oppressed, thats why they came here. The degree may not be the same, agreed. Slavery was aweful but aweful for everyone, the Africans who chose and sold slaves, the multi-nation traders, and the slave owners.
There would also be less resentment going forward if groups of people did not focus as much as historical wrongs. We have acknowledged (and teach) about the ills of racism in this country.
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hahahahaha LMAO
do you mean job as in i dont get paid and get my ass whooped on a daily basis
Sounds like you want MY job....
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Why aren't people allowed to say get over the Holocaust?
Well these are 2 differnet things, the United States did not set out on a mission to exterminate all black people like the Nazi's did the Jews.
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im fully with that.
Im not gonna compare injustices because thats kind of wack. But all im saying is that it was like systematic destruction of a race over many years. But with that i do think we need to use successful Blacks as a counter weight to all the bull shit said about what we cant do and then try to acheive the same success. But to say "get over it" is like kind of wild im my eyes.
mal thats what needs to be done bro the whole part of the AA sub culture that plays to the oppressed beat down man who is held down by society is just retarded. Everybody faces challanges, everybody faces oppression ppl need to quit thinking their situation is unique b/c of their race and get the fuck over it. In truth the ppl that subscribe to that way of thinking are their own worst enemy.
Im not saying lets not talk about im saying quit brining it up like it plays some relevant role in todays society. It doesnt it happend over a hundered years we as a nation have moved passed it sadly a number of the AA sub culture has not they use it as a crutch to justify their short comings instead of taking personal responsibility.
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Well these are 2 differnet things, the United States did not set out on a mission to exterminate all black people like the Nazi's did the Jews.
They destroyed an entire culture.
Slavery did far more damage than the holocaust.
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They destroyed an entire culture.
Slavery did far more damage than the holocaust.
Really, so your saying that every person from the African continent was sold to American slavers, and wiped out the African culture forever? And while we are on the subject how did American's get the slaves, sail over to Africa and just grab um out of the jungle?
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To simply say "get over it" isn't right. Everyone must recognize the historical evil of slavery and the impact it had on the people and their families. The Jim Crow laws were also bullshit but most of us here did not live through that era. However, blacks in American are not the only people (or place) that slavery existed and this has been dead for 150 years. Black folks in England have done a much better job of moving past historical wrongs because they adapted better than some in America. How a people overcome is to develop skills that move them forward. Maladaptive self-destructive culture prevents upward growth.
Jews are a great example...they are hated and oppressed by many in the world, yet the average Jewish person is probably smarter and more wealthy than your average person. They have strong supportive families and have developed the skills to fight past oppression.
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Wow,that was deep.How about this,we all stop bitching about injustices of the past and move on.Work hard,raise good families,and mind your own business.Perhaps if blacks concentrated on lowering their out of wedlock birth rates,that might be a better solution then a bunch of gutless cowards appologising.
The Irony and utter stupidity of your post is astounding...You start by saying everyone should stop bitching, mind their business, raise good families work hard and then turn around and say Blacks should work on lowering their out of wedlock birth rate??? Obviously you did not get the news that is DECADES OLD and that is whites have more children out of wedlock than any other people in the world....DO I NEED TO REPEAT THAT?!?!?!?!? whites lead the way in ABORTIONS, Child Abuse, Spousal Abuse, Incest, Prostitution, Rape, child prostitution, child kidnapping and sexual deviance. and you have the nerve to talk about IMAGINARY problems within the Black community?!?!?!!?!?
To add to the debaucherous humor...whites would first have to apologize to the Native People of america FIRST, return their land, pack their white shit up and head back to that cesspool called Europe, return and restore all they they have stolen, destroyed and damaged before you can even THINK to start apologizing to the African American community. Let us not talk about the reparations to the Native People in the form of the Gold, Silver, Platinum, oil and all whites have stolen from the land. Then you can get around to the rep you owe the African American population which there is not enough money in the WORLDS CAUFFERS to satisfy that bill. But you know what the pleasure EVERYONE other than whites are having is the fact that the JOO is now CLEANING YOU OUT. Your white ass may have, to a degree, gotten away with literal murder with the Native or African Americans, but the Joos are wringing every thing from the last dime to every home, car, saving account, pension, social security, tax and all from your white asses...NOW LET ME SEE YOU GET AN ATTITUDE WITH THEM. Let me see you mouth off to them? Let me see you stop them from taking all you have? And best of all let me see you talk of their (eh hem) HOLOCAUST openly without getting your mouth BASHED IN.
So please like the rest of your worthless own, you don't have to apologize (not that it would be accepted or would mean anything anyway) you don't have to repay, you don't have to do anything...but as the screws are tightened by the ZIONIST that run america don't cry about injustice, or your supposed rights, or that it is not fair what is being done, because ALL THAT IS HAPPENING TO YOU AND YOURS IS FAIR AND JUST AND WHAT WILL SOON COME WILL BE FAIR AND JUST. And just so you know why it is happening...the good book says... DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU. Do you understand what that means.???? It means treat people in the way you would want them to treat you. Since whites have treated the world with utter contempt, so now comes the time for the world to treat you with more of the same...GET READY...IT'S GOING TO GET UGLY...
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Really, so your saying that every person from the African continent was sold to American slavers, and wiped out the African culture forever? And while we are on the subject how did American's get the slaves, sail over to Africa and just grab um out of the jungle?
That's the part Africans don't like to talk about.
Africans sold other Africans into slavery.
Most slaves weren't taken from the Bush.
http://africanhistory.about.com/od/slavery/tp/TransAtlantic001.htm
In fact there is still a fairly sizable slave trade in Africa with some Middle East countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/27/humanrights1
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I'm 1/16 American Indian, I want an apology and shares in Cash Creek Casino. 8)
You're 1/16 Indian and 15/16 JOKE. Casinos are owned by WHITES pretending to be Native Peoples. Cash Creek, Foxwoods, Mohegan Sun yadda yadda ALL BULLSHIT. The Native People still being held on the concentration camps called RESERVATIONS don't see a dime of this money. Given the Billions these casinos make every year they should be living like kings and queens on the reservation, yet they are all living financially in poverty. While the WHITES who really own those casinos live large.
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You're 1/16 Indian and 15/16 JOKE. Casinos are owned by WHITES pretending to be Native Peoples. Cash Creek, Foxwoods, Mohegan Sun yadda yadda ALL BULLSHIT. The Native People still being held on the concentration camps called RESERVATIONS don't see a dime of this money. Given the Billions these casinos make every year they should be living like kings and queens on the reservation, yet they are all living financially in poverty. While the WHITES who really own those casinos live large.
bro iono if you need to hit the pipe or stop hitting the pipe but which ever it is go do it.
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That's the part Africans don't like to talk about.
Africans sold other Africans into slavery.
Most slaves weren't taken from the Bush.
http://africanhistory.about.com/od/slavery/tp/TransAtlantic001.htm
In fact there is still a fairly sizable slave trade in Africa with some Middle East countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/27/humanrights1
That is the point I was trying to make, it appears some mythology has become fact to some. From what I can find it appears about 10 million Africans were slaved out to the America's ( not simply the United States) as a matter of fact the north atlantic slave trade was going on around 200 years before there ever was a USA, of the 10 Million about 500K ended up in the United States.
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Yo check this out chief. Im gonna type like i talk. But check it out. Without slaves, the America you know dosent exist today, in every way, socially, economically and another ally. Take for instance you have a business selling shirts over seas. You dont pay any of your employees anything vs. your competetion who has labor as part of their overhead. You would do much better that them right. Yeah thats the US as we know it and how it got to be a power. Now...Tell everyone that you now that the guy who made the shirts dosent have to be treated like a human at all. And for them to even want rights as a human is a dream because it is LEGLISLATION that makes them less than human. When that leglislation is finally out the door you say "well they are gonna be treated like humans but they will get the worst of everything, and if they ever try to make something of their own...well just burn it down (see blackwallstreet Tulsa OK, east st louis etc) and then look at the lasting effects and say, man get over it already. With all due respect bro. You can kiss my buff black ass with all that. Police beating up people because they are a certian race. Burning down churches with kids in them, killing non violent protestors...sheeeit that was all post slavery, sheeeeeit you got it fucked up.
yea, I'm on the same page with most of this and spend time bitching about it myself. This is stuff that's happening now and can be affected, not crap before anyone alive can remember.
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bro iono if you need to hit the pipe or stop hitting the pipe but which ever it is go do it.
Samson had had a little too much GMO-contaminated food recently.
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bro iono if you need to hit the pipe or stop hitting the pipe but which ever it is go do it.
The only pipe he's sucking on is that of his local fundamentalist sheik. Allah commanded it.
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The only pipe he's sucking on is that of his local fundamentalist sheik. Allah commanded it.
Samson just hates white people, thinks anyone white is guilty of every sin that has ever befallen the world, while ignoring anything and everything that anyone who is not white has done. Fuck him and the horse he road in on, he bitches and complains about all the wrongs done to black people and how horrible and wrong it is, then in the next breath wishes worse on whites.
Here samson they are serving all day
(http://shakeytimes.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/shut-the-fuck-up1.jpg)
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Samson just hates white people, thinks anyone white is guilty of every sin that has ever befallen the world, while ignoring anything and everything that anyone who is not white has done. Fuck him and the horse he road in on, he bitches and complains about all the wrongs done to black people and how horrible and wrong it is, then in the next breath wishes worse on whites.
Here samson they are serving all day
(http://shakeytimes.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/shut-the-fuck-up1.jpg)
Unfortunately, it's well documented that he is a gimmick of HugoChavez so the chances of him being banned or having his posts deleted are zero.
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That's the part Africans don't like to talk about.
Africans sold other Africans into slavery.
Most slaves weren't taken from the Bush.
http://africanhistory.about.com/od/slavery/tp/TransAtlantic001.htm
In fact there is still a fairly sizable slave trade in Africa with some Middle East countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/27/humanrights1
Africans did not sell Africans into slavery. Slavery began as a trick by whites to get Blacks to go along with their game of getting them shipped off to america. In Africa a practice had been around for millenia and is still in existence in many nations in Africa, Indonesia, Malaysia, Australia and the South Pacific where young men are brought into manhood by leaving home and being taught survival skills, hunting skills, craft skills etc in the far reaches of their own country or in other lands. These now "MEN" would be returned home after some time to tell of their experience and show what they had learned and how they are now "MEN". The custom was passed down through their fathers and their fathers and their fathers etc. Whites capitalized off of this practice by claiming they could do the same...except their technique required them to be carried off on ships where they ended up being shackled and carried off to america. Whites managed to get Africans to GO ALONG with their game at first before it became a VIOLENT GUN THREATENING/KILLING system of capture, shackle and ship off against their will. The Arabs were pulled into the sinisterness of the practice because whites paid them money and gave them liquor to do so.
SO far as continuing practices of slavery go...there is a difference between slavery and usurping a people who migrate to another land for work or food. What is seen not only in Africa but in just about all countries world wide is the usurping of people for greed and profit sake. Just as Mexicans have migrated into america and find themselves working hard for below minimum wage with no benefits this s what has happened to people moving from one African nation to another. They are NOT SLAVE , but they are clearly being abused, just as Mexicans are NOT SLAVES in america , but they are clearly being abused/usurped. Now I don't see you talking about the "SLAVERY" in Europe as the eastern Europeans are routinely beaten, jailed, forced to work long hours at below minimum wage, have their passports taken, denied housing, hospital care, with women often being RAPED by your so called western Europeans (they are all white regardless of where they are from). The major sex slave trade in the world is still being conducted in Israhell and primarily fooled/captured eastern europeans (especially women)who are desperate for work and answer ads in Israhell newspapers for domestic help or models, but when they arrive in Israhell their passports are taken and they are forced into the sex trade industry. The people of India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh etc are routinely brought into various wealthy Middle eastern nations as CHEAP LABOR to build up their cities and malls and often are not paid when the work is done or are paid as little as 50 cents per day.
These systems of USURPING AND ABUSING world wide are systems based on the white system of enslaving for the sake of free or cheap labor and big profits.
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bro iono if you need to hit the pipe or stop hitting the pipe but which ever it is go do it.
I'll leave the pipe smoking to Phelps
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Africans did not sell Africans into slavery. Slavery began as a trick by whites to get Blacks to go along with their game of getting them shipped off to america. In Africa a practice had been around for millenia and is still in existence in many nations in Africa, Indonesia, Malaysia, Australia and the South Pacific where young men are brought into manhood by leaving home and being taught survival skills, hunting skills, craft skills etc in the far reaches of their own country or in other lands. These now "MEN" would be returned home after some time to tell of their experience and show what they had learned and how they are now "MEN". The custom was passed down through their fathers and their fathers and their fathers etc. Whites capitalized off of this practice by claiming they could do the same...except their technique required them to be carried off on ships where they ended up being shackled and carried off to america. Whites managed to get Africans to GO ALONG with their game at first before it became a VIOLENT GUN THREATENING/KILLING system of capture, shackle and ship off against their will. The Arabs were pulled into the sinisterness of the practice because whites paid them money and gave them liquor to do so.
SO far as continuing practices of slavery go...there is a difference between slavery and usurping a people who migrate to another land for work or food. What is seen not only in Africa but in just about all countries world wide is the usurping of people for greed and profit sake. Just as Mexicans have migrated into america and find themselves working hard for below minimum wage with no benefits this s what has happened to people moving from one African nation to another. They are NOT SLAVE , but they are clearly being abused, just as Mexicans are NOT SLAVES in america , but they are clearly being abused/usurped. Now I don't see you talking about the "SLAVERY" in Europe as the eastern Europeans are routinely beaten, jailed, forced to work long hours at below minimum wage, have their passports taken, denied housing, hospital care, with women often being RAPED by your so called western Europeans (they are all white regardless of where they are from). The major sex slave trade in the world is still being conducted in Israhell and primarily fooled/captured eastern europeans (especially women)who are desperate for work and answer ads in Israhell newspapers for domestic help or models, but when they arrive in Israhell their passports are taken and they are forced into the sex trade industry. The people of India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh etc are routinely brought into various wealthy Middle eastern nations as CHEAP LABOR to build up their cities and malls and often are not paid when the work is done or are paid as little as 50 cents per day.
These systems of USURPING AND ABUSING world wide are systems based on the white system of enslaving for the sake of free or cheap labor and big profits.
How do you feel about millions of your scumbag Muslim brethren still actively engaging in the slave trade? ???
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Samson had had a little too much GMO-contaminated food recently.
I thought you claimed GMO was safe...now you are saying it isn't???
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Samson just hates white people, thinks anyone white is guilty of every sin that has ever befallen the world, while ignoring anything and everything that anyone who is not white has done. Fuck him and the horse he road in on, he bitches and complains about all the wrongs done to black people and how horrible and wrong it is, then in the next breath wishes worse on whites.
Here samson they are serving all day
(http://shakeytimes.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/shut-the-fuck-up1.jpg)
Sorry if I have upset you with the truth, but the TRUTH MUST BE TOLD
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I thought you claimed GMO was safe...now you are saying it isn't???
I am trying to offer up an acceptable excuse for you.
You're welcome. :)
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Sorry if I have upset you with the truth, but the TRUTH MUST BE TOLD
You don't upset me I am just dismayed and the level of stupidity you display. Let me put it this way, if stupidity were bricks you would be the great wall of china.
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How do you feel about millions of your Muslim scumbag brethren still actively engaging the slave trade? ???
This idiot thinks they are being trained for becoming men.
Even tough they and their families have been slaves for generations.
Samson's the biggest troll on the board. Its obvious he can't read and is majorly delusional.
He is foolish enough to think that all slaves were men. Which is not true at all.
These hugely racist posts against white people piss me off, because they are not even based on any FACT.
But on this board racism against whites and anti-semitism is allowed and in some cases cheered on.
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The Irony and utter stupidity of your post is astounding...You start by saying everyone should stop bitching, mind their business, raise good families work hard and then turn around and say Blacks should work on lowering their out of wedlock birth rate??? Obviously you did not get the news that is DECADES OLD and that is whites have more children out of wedlock than any other people in the world....DO I NEED TO REPEAT THAT?!?!?!?!? whites lead the way in ABORTIONS, Child Abuse, Spousal Abuse, Incest, Prostitution, Rape, child prostitution, child kidnapping and sexual deviance. and you have the nerve to talk about IMAGINARY problems within the Black community?!?!?!!?!?
To add to the debaucherous humor...whites would first have to apologize to the Native People of america FIRST, return their land, pack their white shit up and head back to that cesspool called Europe, return and restore all they they have stolen, destroyed and damaged before you can even THINK to start apologizing to the African American community. Let us not talk about the reparations to the Native People in the form of the Gold, Silver, Platinum, oil and all whites have stolen from the land. Then you can get around to the rep you owe the African American population which there is not enough money in the WORLDS CAUFFERS to satisfy that bill. But you know what the pleasure EVERYONE other than whites are having is the fact that the JOO is now CLEANING YOU OUT. Your white ass may have, to a degree, gotten away with literal murder with the Native or African Americans, but the Joos are wringing every thing from the last dime to every home, car, saving account, pension, social security, tax and all from your white asses...NOW LET ME SEE YOU GET AN ATTITUDE WITH THEM. Let me see you mouth off to them? Let me see you stop them from taking all you have? And best of all let me see you talk of their (eh hem) HOLOCAUST openly without getting your mouth BASHED IN.
So please like the rest of your worthless own, you don't have to apologize (not that it would be accepted or would mean anything anyway) you don't have to repay, you don't have to do anything...but as the screws are tightened by the ZIONIST that run america don't cry about injustice, or your supposed rights, or that it is not fair what is being done, because ALL THAT IS HAPPENING TO YOU AND YOURS IS FAIR AND JUST AND WHAT WILL SOON COME WILL BE FAIR AND JUST. And just so you know why it is happening...the good book says... DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU. Do you understand what that means.???? It means treat people in the way you would want them to treat you. Since whites have treated the world with utter contempt, so now comes the time for the world to treat you with more of the same...GET READY...IT'S GOING TO GET UGLY...
I only wish it would get ugly.You see,blacks and minorities are so fucking stupid,when they riot or are outraged they burn down their own communities.When whites get pissed off we do like McCveigh.You take out 5 we take out 500.The last thing in this world minoriteies ever want is a race war,see what happens to Indians thats the way we roll.Whites are FAR better at killing then anyone on the face of the earth.We would chew through every mud race in about 5 days.
Blacks have a 70% out of wedlock birth rate.The fathers are so piss poor they leave the families to fend for themselves which explains why they are in the same position today as they were 50 years ago.Every other race has come here and thrived,the blacks live in poverty in communites that fools like Obama organise.Keep blaming whites if it makes you feel goo.I will be in my gated community tonight without a care in the world.
By the way,please explain how EVERY nation on the face of the earth got land.If my history book is correct,its by war.The idea that you think we did the Indians so wrong,take a look at the soviet empire,the roman empire,the uk or every other world power.They all became a world power by overpowering other lands.Thats the way its been since day one.
We owe blacks NOTHING!!!!If it werent for us they would still be in Africa transfering baskets across rivers on their burry heads.They should get on their knees every night and thank whites that they dont have to live in mud huts anymore.
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This idiot thinks they are being trained for becoming men.
Even tough they and their families have been slaves for generations.
Samson's the biggest troll on the board. Its obvious he can't read and is majorly delusional.
He is foolish enough to think that all slaves were men. Which is not true at all.
These hugely racist posts against white people piss me off, because they are not even based on any FACT.
But on this board racism against whites and anti-semitism is allowed and in some cases cheered on.
That's because HugoChavez, who runs the Samson gimmick, is a black muslim militant who couldn't care less about racism or bigotry when it doesn't involve blacks or Muslims. Mention those two and you'll be getting pm's threatening you with permabans and what not. Sad the double standard that gets played on here.
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Wow,that was deep.How about this,we all stop bitching about injustices of the past and move on.Work hard,raise good families,and mind your own buisines.Perhaps if blacks concentrated on lowering their out of wedlock birth rates,that might be a better solution then a bunch of gutless cowards appologising.
biggidty BOOM!!!!!!!!!
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yea, I'm on the same page with most of this and spend time bitching about it myself. This is stuff that's happening now and can be affected, not crap before anyone alive can remember.
I can fucks with that
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Samson, you create your own realities dude. Your probably the most racist person on the board, and often delusional. What confuses me is that occasionally you have a great, insightful post...then back to this shit.
Out of wedlock births are a bad start for any child. As a percentage, it is more prevalent in blacks but its a problem with all races. Also, there's no shame in it anymore...people even accept the title of baby mama and baby daddy. Men need to be men and take care of their responsibilities. (or just use a f-cking condom!)
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This is the first step towards reperations for slavery.Once that is introduced it will be the final straw for whites.This counytry will look like Iran.
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This is the first step towards reperations for slavery.Once that is introduced it will be the final straw for whites.This counytry will look like Iran.
Reparations wont do shit. most will squander the money withing a month andbe complaining about the same issues two months later.
what needs to happen is bluntness, honesty, hard work, and reality.
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why bump this ???
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That's because HugoChavez, who runs the Samson gimmick, is a black muslim militant who couldn't care less about racism or bigotry when it doesn't involve blacks or Muslims. Mention those two and you'll be getting pm's threatening you with permabans and what not. Sad the double standard that gets played on here.
There can be no doubt. You are the dumbest most annoying fucker here. I am not a black muslim militant and absolutely not Samson... Samson has got to be a gimmick, but he's not my gimmick... He fucking clearly is playing a disinfo game of some kind and I have no motive to do that... He is a gimmick I would create if I wanted to discredit my opinions. Why the hell would I do that? On the other hand, I can think of why you would want to do that...
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There can be no doubt. You are the dumbest most annoying fucker here. I am not a black muslim militant and absolutely not Samson... Samson has got to be a gimmick, but he's not my gimmick... He fucking clearly is playing a disinfo game of some kind and I have no motive to do that... He is a gimmick I would create if I wanted to discredit my opinions. Why the hell would I do that? On the other hand, I can think of why you would want to do that...
Either way, SAMSON123 has actually begun to be a "funny" gimmick now. He got skull fucked on his "Nuking the Moon" thread. I have to say it was funny and the names he was calling me and Nordic were also entertaining....
SAMSON123 has jumped the shark.
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Whether anybody alive did it or went through it, does not change the fact that all Americans have inherited the consequences of it and must deal with it.
thats true but its fucking ridiculous that we are still apologizing for shit that happened before any of us were born...including the people that are being apologized too
if they wanted slavery gone so they could live free and better why do we have these fucked up consequences to deal with...why doesnt everyone get off their asses and do something constructive with their freedom
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You get awfully pissy every time it's brought up. Interesting for someone that has nothing to hide. Face it Squanto, it's you. Same ideologies, same lack of education, same posting style, same hatred and contempt for all non-blacks and non-Muslims. STFU SamsonChavez123.
usually I just delete it. You're the only person who thinks Samson is me. I'm really starting to think Samsom is you. You've spent more time trying to dick with me than anyone else here. I had no idea exposing your Jewish history would get in your head that much. Sorry for causing you such agony, BERZERKfury... ;)
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usually I just delete it. You're the only person who thinks Samson is me. I'm really starting to think Samsom is you. You've spent more time trying to dick with me than anyone else here. I had no idea exposing your Jewish history would get in your head that much. Sorry for causing you such agony, BERZERKfury... ;)
Agony? Hugo, my numero uno negress, you don't bother me. I get a kick out of watching you flip your shit every time I make a comment directed towards you. You're the guy who fired off half a dozen pm's threatening to permanently ban me, have cried to Ron about me and then were such a pussy that you blocked my responses so that I couldn't even respond to the teary eyed meltdowns you pm'ed me.
You've been on my nuts since I pointed out that you were a black Muslim with jihadist sympathies, a lack of an education, and what was a job as a photographer's assistant in the softcore porn industry. Unfortunately it looks like you're now leeching unemployment like your bros.
I'm not the only one who thinks your Samson by the way, Jerome Tyson McDoogle. ;)
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Agony? Hugo, my numero uno negress, you don't bother me. I get a kick out of watching you flip your shit every time I make a comment directed towards you. You're the guy who fired off half a dozen pm's threatening to permanently ban me, have cried to Ron about me and then were such a pussy that you blocked my responses so that I couldn't even respond to the teary eyed meltdowns you pm'ed me.
You've been on my nuts since I pointed out that you were a black Muslim with jihadist sympathies, a lack of an education, and what was a job as a photographer's assistant in the softcore porn industry. Unfortunately it looks like you're now leeching unemployment like your bros.
I'm not the only one who thinks your Samson by the way, Jerome Tyson McDoogle. ;)
Due try to keep the meaningless shit down to a few sentences. I have no desire read your meltdowns. Again, sorry I'm in your head so bad, you'll get over it. ;)
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EH HEM...someone talked me up???
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EH HEM...someone talked me up???
and you doubled it lol...
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There can be no doubt. You are the dumbest most annoying fucker here. I am not a black muslim militant and absolutely not Samson... Samson has got to be a gimmick, but he's not my gimmick... He fucking clearly is playing a disinfo game of some kind and I have no motive to do that... He is a gimmick I would create if I wanted to discredit my opinions. Why the hell would I do that? On the other hand, I can think of why you would want to do that...
SAMSONFAG is from Toronto, Canada.