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http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/29/supreme.court.discrimination/index.html
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court sided Monday with white firefighters in a workplace discrimination lawsuit, a divisive case over the role race should play in job advancement.
In the split 5-4 vote, a majority of the justices ruled that the city of New Haven, Connecticut, improperly threw out the results of promotional exams that officials said left too few minorities qualified.
One Latino and no African-American firefighters qualified for promotion based on the exam; the city subsequently decided not to certify the results and issued no promotions.
A group of 20 mostly white firefighters sued, claiming reverse discrimination. Video Watch the firefighters applaud the ruling »
High court nominee Judge Sonia Sotomayor heard the case on her federal appeals court last year and sided with the city.
The Supreme Court was being asked to decide whether there was a continued need for special treatment for minorities, or whether enough progress has been made to make existing laws obsolete, especially in a political atmosphere in which an African-American occupies the White House.
At issue was whether the city intentionally discriminated -- in violation of both federal law and the Constitution's Equal Protection Clause.
"The city rejected the test results solely because the higher scoring candidates were white," wrote Justice Anthony Kennedy for the majority. "Fear of litigation alone cannot justify an employer's reliance on race to the detriment of individuals who passed the examinations and qualified for promotions."
In a dissent read from the bench, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg questioned the fairness of the test, which was 60 percent written and 40 percent oral.
"Relying so heavily on pencil-and-paper exams to select firefighters is a dubious practice," Ginsburg said, calling the majority ruling "troubling."
"Congress endeavored to promote equal opportunity in fact, and not simply in form. The damage today's decision does to that objective is untold," she said.
Key plaintiff Frank Ricci and others took promotional exams in 2003 for lieutenant and captain positions that had become available in New Haven. Video Watch why the firefighters filed the lawsuit »
When the results came back, city attorneys expressed concern about the results, and the New Haven corporation counsel -- after several public hearings -- refused to certify the test, and no promotions were given.
The city said that under a federal civil rights law known as Title VII, employers must ban actions such as promotion tests that would have a "disparate impact" on a protected class, such as a specified race or gender.
The Obama administration took a nuanced position on the appeal. A Justice Department lawyer told the high court that while the federal government supported the city's discretion to nullify the test results, it also believed the lawsuit should be allowed to proceed on a limited basis.
Kennedy argued that "the process was open [and] fair" and that the city officials "were careful to ensure broad racial participation in the design of the test itself and its administration."
He added that "race-based action like the city's in this case is impermissible under Title VII unless the employer can demonstrate a strong basis in evidence that, had it not taken the action, it would have been liable" under the law dealing with "disparate impact."
Kennedy said the city had not met that threshold.
The case has received added attention because Sotomayor was on the appellate court that dismissed the appeal.
Sotomayor was part of a three-judge panel that ruled in February 2008 to uphold a lower court decision supporting New Haven's move to throw out the results.
In June 2008, Sotomayor was part of a 7-6 majority that denied a rehearing of the case by the full court.
Legal analysts said they expect Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee will want to ask about her role in that case as well as her comments about ethnicity and the bench.
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The city claims it was in a tough position and decided to set aside the result of the exam in order to comply with existing laws...and also to stave off potential lawsuits from black and/or Latino firefighters.
Independent analysis (not sure by whom) of the exam indicated that the multiple-choice test was entirely job-related. How can something that's based solely on the job that needs to be done be 'culturally biased'?
I don't think you can throw out the results of the exam simply because no Blacks or Latinos scored high enough to qualify for promotions...and this is what the Court ruled.
There was no evidence to indicate that the exam was in any was discriminatory. The non-white test takers just need to work harder and do better next time.
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guys have too much power now
They sing racism and discrimination at ever turn
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guys have too much power now
They sing racism and discrimination at ever turn
Okami is a WHITE man with muscles, no doubt about it.
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Okami is a WHITE man with muscles, no doubt about it.
Yes, he is a good man with muscles.
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LMAO @ "reverse discrimination"
as if discrimination was only white --> black.
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guys have too much power now
They sing racism and discrimination at ever turn
But in this case, there *was* no cry of racism by the Blacks or Latinos, at least none that has been reported.
The city behaved irresponsibly out of the FEAR that the Blacks and/or Latinos would protest the results of the promotion exam.
Municipalities should not and cannot be ruled by fear of protest.
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But in this case, there *was* no cry of racism by the Blacks or Latinos, at least none that has been reported.
The city behaved irresponsibly out of the FEAR that the Blacks and/or Latinos would protest the results of the promotion exam.
Municipalities should not and cannot be ruled by fear of protest.
ie. Get sued.
In June 2008, Sotomayor was part of a 7-6 majority that denied a rehearing of the case by the full court.
Gonna make confirmation hearing real, real interesting.
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But in this case, there *was* no cry of racism by the Blacks or Latinos, at least none that has been reported.
The city behaved irresponsibly out of the FEAR that the Blacks and/or Latinos would protest the results of the promotion exam.
Municipalities should not and cannot be ruled by fear of protest.
Fuck off you Racist
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I think she'll be confirmed (there doesn't appear to be enough dirt on her), but it's definitely going to factor into the hearings.
The more critical issue IMO, though, is how she will warm to her future colleagues who've ruled against her on this.
I'm all for fair hiring practices - as we all should be - but it's patently unfair for you to be given a test to determine your eligibility for advancement only to have your results tossed out because other people didn't score high enough.
The poster child in this particular case is a white firefighter who is dyslexic, yet studied for hours on end with flash cards in order to prep for this exam. His hard work paid off...or so he thought. I'm not saying I hope he gets the promotion because he's dyslexic, but I am saying that he should be advanced for scoring so high on his exam.
The job of the city should be to ensure they have the best fire department possible for the safety of their residents.
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I think she'll be confirmed (there doesn't appear to be enough dirt on her), but it's definitely going to factor into the hearings.
The more critical issue IMO, though, is how she will warm to her future colleagues who've ruled against her on this.
I'm all for fair hiring practices - as we all should be - but it's patently unfair for you to be given a test to determine your eligibility for advancement only to have your results tossed out because other people didn't score high enough.
The poster child in this particular case is a white firefighter who is dyslexic, yet studied for hours on end with flash cards in order to prep for this exam. His hard work paid off...or so he thought. I'm not saying I hope he gets the promotion because he's dyslexic, but I am saying that he should be advanced for scoring so high on his exam.
The job of the city should be to ensure they have the best fire department possible for the safety of their residents.
This has long been the complaint for FD's hiring quotas of females, as well.
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But in this case, there *was* no cry of racism by the Blacks or Latinos, at least none that has been reported.
The city behaved irresponsibly out of the FEAR that the Blacks and/or Latinos would protest the results of the promotion exam.
Municipalities should not and cannot be ruled by fear of protest.
this is another example of why foreigners shouldn't post comments in threads they dont know shit about
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I was a fireman
We had no blacks or latinos and we were fine
We had one woman but she was a liability
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This has long been the complaint for FD's hiring quotas of females, as well.
Given that mission integrity is the highest priority, I've never felt that there should be a 'female standard' for firefighting jobs or combat billets in the military.
If I have to swim a 20-minute mile to advance to jet pilot training, then the same should be required of my female counterparts.
If the required time in the obstacle course (not sure what it's called at firefighting school) is 8 minutes or less, then it should be 8 minutes or less for all candidates, not just the males. If a woman isn't strong enough or fast enough, then she needs to get stronger and faster. I would say the same to any male who failed to meet the standard, too, of course.
If both a female and I are trying to get jobs in a field hospital or are just trying to become paramedics with the fire department, I believe it's totally acceptable to hold the women to a different standard. They need to be fit to perform the duties in those environments, but don't need to be as strong or fast as I am.
Damn, I'm on a roll tonite!
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Given that mission integrity is the highest priority, I've never felt that there should be a 'female standard' for firefighting jobs or combat billets in the military.
If I have to swim a 20-minute mile to advance to jet pilot training, then the same should be required of my female counterparts.
If the required time in the obstacle course (not sure what it's called at firefighting school) is 8 minutes or less, then it should be 8 minutes or less for all candidates, not just the males. If a woman isn't strong enough or fast enough, then she needs to get stronger and faster. I would say the same to any male who failed to meet the standard, too, of course.
If both a female and I are trying to get jobs in a field hospital or are just trying to become paramedics with the fire department, I believe it's totally acceptable to hold the women to a different standard. They need to be fit to perform the duties in those environments, but don't need to be as strong or fast as I am.
Damn, I'm on a roll tonite!
All fire departments hire a woman just to feel politically correct
Well political correctness is the death of society
We had a 5'2 ugly little tramp who cud barely carry the cutting equipment 10feet
Not good,not good at all
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All fire departments hire a woman just to feel politically correct
Well political correctness is the death of society
We had a 5'2 ugly little tramp who cud barely carry the cutting equipment 10feet
Not good,not good at all
very, very true
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guys have too much power now
They sing racism and discrimination at ever turn
oh really ???
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oh really ???
Live in Ireland for one month and you will see
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I was a fireman
We had no blacks or latinos and we were fine
We had one woman but she was a liability
Okami is leading the revolution on his side of the pond.....
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sotomayor needs to stick to cleaning houses, not acting like a judge, that little fat mexican.
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sotomayor needs to stick to cleaning houses, not acting like a judge, that little fat mexican.
the other justices will keep her in check
that is
if she gets in
si senorita
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Women firefighters....fucking hilarious.
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Women firefighters....fucking hilarious.
they really are token
can't do the physical aspect
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Okami is leading the revolution on his side of the pond.....
Indeed I must
Everyone here wants them out but they are afraid of being called racists
In my gym last week,an african dressed like Puff Daddy waltzed in and walked around the gym looking at stuff
A commitee member asked him was he a member (he knew he wasnt)
When the african said he was not a member he was given 10seconds to get the fuck out and he did
Women firefighters....fucking hilarious.
Indeed,in my department they paid for an extra new changing/shower area for her
Also seperate bathroom
Im convinced the ugly little girl had a cock anyway
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they really are token
can't do the physical aspect
Much like many women in the military.
Why have separate physical standards for such jobs?
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Indeed I must
Everyone here wants them out but they are afraid of being called racists
In my gym last week,an african dressed like Puff Daddy waltzed in and walked around the gym looking at stuff
A commitee member asked him was he a member (he knew he wasnt)
When the african said he was not a member he was given 10seconds to get the fuck out and he did
Indeed,in my department they paid for an extra new changing/shower area for her
Also seperate bathroom
Im convinced the ugly little #### had a cock anyway
there were no physical exams for her? like have her carry a 150 lb bag for 100 yards or something?
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Indeed I must
Everyone here wants them out but they are afraid of being called racists
In my gym last week,an african dressed like Puff Daddy waltzed in and walked around the gym looking at stuff
A commitee member asked him was he a member (he knew he wasnt)
When the african said he was not a member he was given 10seconds to get the fuck out and he did
Indeed,in my department they paid for an extra new changing/shower area for her
Also seperate bathroom
Im convinced the ugly little #### had a cock anyway
She must have been afraid of your Alpha-Maleness...99% of women can't do the equivalent work of a male counterpart firefighter...
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there were no physical exams for her? like have her carry a 150 lb bag for 100 yards or something?
Fuck no,her uncle was a former fire chief,its a place totally ruled by nepatism
Delighted to be out of that fuckin place now,I swear I wouldve killed someone in there
Most of the decent lads there feel the same
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Fuck no,her uncle was a former fire chief,its a place totally ruled by nepatism
Delighted to be out of that fuckin place now,I swear I wouldve killed someone in there
Most of the decent lads there feel the same
You should smash her skull.
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Fuck no,her uncle was a former fire chief,its a place totally ruled by nepatism
Delighted to be out of that fuckin place now,I swear I wouldve killed someone in there
Most of the decent lads there feel the same
why don't you all gangbang her and make a fireman sex movie?
You should smash her skull.
this works too.
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You should smash her skull.
The little girl doesnt know how close she came to having that done
why don't you all gangbang her and make a fireman sex movie?
this works too.
Seriously man,imagine the ugliest smelliest spottiest irish bitch youve ever seen
Nobody would fuck her
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why hasn't fat Al Sharpton been on the scene
or Jesse Jackson, that other beacon of righteousness?
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The little #### doesnt know how close she came to having that done
Seriously man,imagine the ugliest smelliest spottiest irish bitch youve ever seen
Nobody would fuck her
It'd be cool though if you did.
I dated a girl name Morlin from Cork nearly 3 years ago. I found out she had fucked over 70 guys, Africans among them, and dumped her.
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I knew a chick named Mork from Cork. Dumped her for being too eggy.
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It'd be cool though if you did.
I dated a girl name Morlin from Cork nearly 3 years ago. I found out she had fucked over 70 guys, Africans among them, and dumped her.
Morlin?? Not a name im familiar with here
Yes if a girl has sex with an African she is dirt
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Morlin?? Not a name im familiar with here
Yes if a girl has sex with an African she is dirt
She was VERY Irish.
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All fire departments hire a woman just to feel politically correct
Well political correctness is the death of society
We had a 5'2 ugly little tramp who cud barely carry the cutting equipment 10feet
Not good,not good at all
i'm a french cop, women are a plague in police, unable to do something for most of them...always want to play the "male" during intervention, always pregnant, sick, and putting "zizanie" on the team with there pussy.
but it's all politic, so...
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She was VERY Irish.
was she a ginger ?
to this day, i think the British fear of "gingers" is hilarious.
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was she a ginger ?
to this day, i think the British fear of "gingers" is hilarious.
I am American.
No, dirty blonde.
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i'm a french cop, women are a plague in police, unable to do something for most of them...always want to play the "male" during intervention, always pregnant, sick, and putting "zizanie" on the team with there pussy.
but it's all politic, so...
Same here,im not a cop but I see the obese young girl cops,no strenght,no fitness,no right to be a cop
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i'm a french cop, women are a plague in police, unable to do something for most of them...always want to play the "male" during intervention, always pregnant, sick, and putting "zizanie" on the team with there pussy.
but it's all politic, so...
man
as a cop you should beat down on that muslim problem you have there
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and it's the same thing with most black "antillais" (guadeloupe/martinique etc).
always asleep, lazy and showing no willpower to speak or strike up with white.
why do you not attmpt to stave off their immigation to France?
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man
as a cop you should beat down on that muslim problem you have there
oh fuck, if only i could.
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why do you not attmpt to stave off their immigation to France?
these guy are french bro, and because of so called "slavery, colonisation etc etc"
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oh fuck, if only i could.
any muslims on the police force?
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and it's the same thing with most black "antillais" (guadeloupe/martinique etc).
always asleep, lazy and showing no willpower to speak or strike up with white.
Toi, tu as la force...et ton étoile étincele avec la lumière d'espoir éternel.
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these guy are french bro, and because of so called "slavery, colonisation etc etc"
oh yes
enablement
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Toi, tu as la force...et ton étoile étincele avec la lumière d'espoir éternel.
c'est dommage
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any muslims on the police force?
no.
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FuKk it... when you need help you want the best firefighters possible.. the ones who are qualified because of their ability and not because some shitty minority deal.
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Hopefully this represents an end to the rampant and ongoing racism against whites in the USA today:
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Hopefully this represents an end to the rampant and ongoing racism against whites in the USA today:
You=olived skinned Italianoid, no great Northern European...
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I'm pure Aryan. Jealous?
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I'm pure Aryan. Jealous?
Yes.
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Yes.
Me and Dennis Wolf are like brothers.....
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Me and Dennis Wolf are like brothers.....
I'd give anything to look like you and Dennis Wolf!
Excellent Aryan genetics!
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I'd give anything to look like you and Dennis Wolf!
Excellent Aryan genetics!
You wish you were a Northern European and no olive skinned Italianoid...
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A landmark ruling against guys getting their own way all the time
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FuKk it... when you need help you want the best firefighters possible.. the ones who are qualified because of their ability and not because some shitty minority deal.
That's the truest thing written in this thread.
I'm not racist or sexist like many in this thread. I want the job done by people who can do the job as good as it needs to be done, or better, not purely because of their sex or ethnicity. Give someone a job or promotion for the sake of making quota and you could be costing lives.
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Tre, I don't understand how anyone can see it differently. Totally agree. If the test doesn't have some significant discriminatory element, the city should actually be penalyzed for discriminating against the firemen who scored well and were not promoted as promised. Your right, it wasn't a minority advocacy group causing a problem, its the city that decided to throw out the exam because of fears of lawsuits.
It is very concerning the vote was that close. This was clearly discrimination and we need to get away from discriminatory practices altogether. Personally, I would vote no on Sotomayor because of this bad decision.
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FuKk it... when you need help you want the best firefighters possible.. the ones who are qualified because of their ability and not because some shitty minority deal.
Good post, nukka. The only time I ever rang the FD was when I was in uni. They showed up in less that 5 mins; I phoned them and could hear them coming through the town to the house. The guys who showed up weren't those guys you see on those calendars; they were, like, 50+, grizzled, beer-gutted guys; guys that would give Bay a wet dream, ya know? They showed up and totally read the situation in 10 seconds and handled it in about 5 mins. That's what I want in a FD: Capable people, not some nod of the cap to political correctness.
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Good post, nukka. The only time I ever rang the FD was when I was in uni. They showed up in less that 5 mins; I phoned them and could hear them coming through the town to the house. The guys who showed up weren't those guys you see on those calendars; they were, like, 50+, grizzled, beer-gutted guys; guys that would give Bay a wet dream, ya know? They showed up and totally read the situation in 10 seconds and handled it in about 5 mins. That's what I want in a FD: Capable people, not some nod of the cap to political correctness.
Hahahaha...ahahahhaahaha ha. :D
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Hahahaha...ahahahhaahahaha. :D
I wonder what MattC would say when his house catches fire and the FD guys who respond are totally capable Jewish and Black people? ;D
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I wonder what MattC would say when his house catches fire and the FD guys who respond are totally capable Jewish and Black people? ;D
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Tre, I don't understand how anyone can see it differently. Totally agree. If the test doesn't have some significant discriminatory element, the city should actually be penalyzed for discriminating against the firemen who scored well and were not promoted as promised. Your right, it wasn't a minority advocacy group causing a problem, its the city that decided to throw out the exam because of fears of lawsuits.
It is very concerning the vote was that close. This was clearly discrimination and we need to get away from discriminatory practices altogether. Personally, I would vote no on Sotomayor because of this bad decision.
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I'm going only off what I picked up from the news (NPR), but according to them, the exam has been reviewed and was determined to be entirely job-related, as it should be.
But, good ol' NPR, not able to leave well enough alone, asked a city official (he's one of the city attorneys, I believe), "Will you now look around and see whether there might be better exams available?"
What the heck is wrong with encouraging those who are looking for a promotion to prepare better for the exam??
Did I score lower on the MCAT than my white counterparts because I'm black? Hell no, it's because I put in 5% of the effort they did. I got what I deserved. So guess what? While my friends are going to Duke and Stanford, I was tracking for East Carolina (no disrespect to ECU Medicine, mind you)! My scores were good enough, but I wasn't going to a top-tier school.
When something is totally non-biased, we should not be lowering the standards, period. If you need 85% (arbitrary) in order to become promotion-eligible, then that's what you need...black, white, brown, yellow doesn't matter one bit.
And if something *is* biased (I'm still shaking my head over all the SAT discussions of the past 20 years), we should be working on solutions to eliminate the bias, and NOT on ways to hold non-whites to lower standards.
Being black, it always pisses me off when less is expected because of color. Note: the MCAT is heavily biased against those who don't study for it. lol
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Yuck. There's a cool guy at my gym who's got those grommets in his ears, and the other day I was talking to him and I sensed there was something wrong - just couldn't figure it out, tho. !0 mins later I got it. He had removed the grommets and run his IPod earbuds through the big earlobe holes and into his ear. Still freaks me out. :-X
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I'm going only off what I picked up from the news (NPR), but according to them, the exam has been reviewed and was determined to be entirely job-related, as it should be.
But, good ol' NPR, not able to leave well enough alone, asked a city official (he's one of the city attorneys, I believe), "Will you now look around and see whether there might be better exams available?"
What the heck is wrong with encouraging those who are looking for a promotion to prepare better for the exam??
Did I score lower on the MCAT than my white counterparts because I'm black? Hell no, it's because I put in 5% of the effort they did. I got what I deserved. So guess what? While my friends are going to Duke and Stanford, I was tracking for East Carolina (no disrespect to ECU Medicine, mind you)! My scores were good enough, but I wasn't going to a top-tier school.
When something is totally non-biased, we should not be lowering the standards, period. If you need 85% (arbitrary) in order to become promotion-eligible, then that's what you need...black, white, brown, yellow doesn't matter one bit.
And if something *is* biased (I'm still shaking my head over all the SAT discussions of the past 20 years), we should be working on solutions to eliminate the bias, and NOT on ways to hold non-whites to lower standards.
Being black, it always pisses me off when less is expected because of color.
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/225px-Colonel_Mobutu.jpg)
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(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/225px-Colonel_Mobutu.jpg)
LOL. That's a young Sese Seko. Guy didn't have a waistline like that while he was despot. :-X
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LOL. That's a young Sese Seko. Guy didn't have a waistline like that while he was despot. :-X
Great man. Zeus rest his soul. :)
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LOL. That's a young Sese Seko. Guy didn't have a waistline like that while he was despot. :-X
My new waistline doesn't look as bad as the one from a year ago.
Thanks for the new lats, Obama!
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My new waistline doesn't look as bad as the one from a year ago.
Thanks for the new lats, Obama!
LOL. There's Tre getting uppity, again. Where's MattC and his plantation hat? ;D
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My new waistline doesn't look as bad as the one from a year ago.
Thanks for the new lats, Obama!
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Speaking of....The Royal Canadian Mint just did an audit and found out that they're short $15 million in gold. LOL. What a bunch of maroons. Of course, I'll be covering part of that loss. :(
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LOL. There's Tre getting uppity, again. Where's MattC and his plantation hat? ;D
LOL!!
If elected, would I become the first black American to go from the adult industry to the U.S. Senate? Or have there been others?
I took a few self-portraits last night. Rapidly approaching 40, it feels great to be less of a fat bastard now! Still a fat bastard as my standards are higher now, but greatly reduced with an awesome change (so far) in body composition.
Obama really has been my savior. ;D
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Speaking of....The Royal Canadian Mint just did and audit and found out that they're short $15 million in gold. LOL. What a bunch of maroons. Of course, I'll be covering part of that loss. :(
Paying massive taxes never bothered you before doc, can't quote exactly but you know what I am talking about. ;)
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Paying massive taxes never bothered you before doc, can't quote exactly but you know what I am talking about. ;)
Massive!? LOL. No. But I have no problem paying my share. Even for MattC's eventual mudshark, unemployment insurance-gouging, in-and-out-of-psych-wards daughter. Gad. I miss Debussey. We need him in a thread like this. You have the Debussey signal?
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Tre, you went to med school??
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LOL!!
If elected, would I become the first black American to go from the adult industry to the U.S. Senate? Or have there been others?
I took a few self-portraits last night. Rapidly approaching 40, it feels great to be less of a fat bastard now! Still a fat bastard as my standards are higher now, but greatly reduced with an awesome change (so far) in body composition.
Obama really has been my savior. ;D
Well, I thought it would be at least another generation before I/We saw a Black in the White House (Hah!), given the States' unwillingness to reconcile the race thingy. As an aside, I have a friend who read law at Chicago, and she says that his 'ahems/ahaws' are totally his usual nerdy patterns, and not some speech contrivances. I kinda think that is cool. Makes him seem less idiotic/robotic than his predecessor. Brother needs all the help he can get.
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Well, I thought it would be at least another generation before I/We saw a Black in the White House (Hah!), given the States' unwillingness to reconcile the race thingy. As an aside, I have a friend who read law at Chicago, and she says that his 'ahems/ahaws' are totally his usual nerdy patterns, and not some speech contrivances. I kinda think that is cool. Makes him seem less idiotic/robotic than his predecessor. Brother needs all the help he can get.
Epic wannabe.... ::)
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'Bout time the court made a good decision in this area! Perhaps this might be the beginning of the end for affirmative action, a racist policy based on the notion that "two wrongs make a right". Now maybe we can get things to the way they should be: each individual judged on his own merits, no discrimination and no "special privileges for special groups".
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Tre, you went to med school??
Nah. Still feels weird sometimes, but even with the baby mama drama, I'm still very thankful for the life I have today vs the life I'd have if I'd gone to med school or done anything else at all.
It's likely that I'll go to law school, though. Because I'm black (LOL), I received conditional invitations to a couple of schools without even applying, but baby mama f'd that up, too, so my friend and I decided to launch HerBicepsCam instead...the best career decision we ever made (he's got a law degree from Duke and used to work at a top-10 firm in NYC).
Why would I go to school, some ask? Well, my family is all about higher learning and I'm the only person in my family who doesn't hold at least a masters degree. I'd also like to become a writer and 'community organizer' ;), and having more credentials would certainly help me there, especially when I'm speaking to schools, church/civic groups, etc. and seeking to inspire black youth.
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Nah. Still feels weird sometimes, but even with the baby mama drama, I'm still very thankful for the life I have today vs the life I'd have if I'd gone to med school or done anything else at all.
It's likely that I'll go to law school, though. Because I'm black (LOL), I received conditional invitations to a couple of schools without even applying, but baby mama f'd that up, too, so my friend and I decided to launch HerBicepsCam instead...the best career decision we ever made (he's got a law degree from Duke and used to work at a top-10 firm in NYC).
Why would I go to school, some ask? Well, my family is all about higher learning and I'm the only person in my family who doesn't hold at least a masters degree. I'd also like to become a writer and 'community organizer' ;), and having more credentials would certainly help me there, especially when I'm speaking to schools, church/civic groups, etc. and seeking to inspire black youth.
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'Bout time the court made a good decision in this area! Perhaps this might be the beginning of the end for affirmative action, a racist policy based on the notion that "two wrongs make a right". Now maybe we can get things to the way they should be: each individual judged on his own merits, no discrimination and no "special privileges for special groups".
I'm not completely opposed to the fact that Affirmative Action ever existed, because one has to admit that it helped to open doors that would've remained closed for decades.
That said, I think its usefulness has expired. Even though that could mean fewer Blacks at the top of white-dominated companies, maybe it'll inspire more Blacks to build their own mega-corporations. I'm not advocating segregation by any means, but Mormons and Jews are more likely to spend their money with other Mormons and Jews whenever possible.
Why shouldn't Blacks be doing the same in order to improve the lives of black Americans across-the-board?
To the original point, when two candidates for a job are in the final interview, the one who looks more like the interviewer is going to have a built-in advantage during the selection process. Human nature is what it is.
Not every employer gets to look across his desk and see his dream negro:
(http://www.randalpinkett.com/images/img_main_photo.jpg)
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Epic wannabe.... ::)
LOL. Nice snag. I guess my English snobbishness is showing, today. She took a law course from Obama. Constitutional, I think. She said he was nice, but really shy and really nerdy, not the forceful guy you see on tv. And he was really furtive with the ciggies. How's that? Better?
/i wish I had the foresight to get a signed copy of his first book. *facepalm*
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All fire departments hire a woman just to feel politically correct
Well political correctness is the death of society
We had a 5'2 ugly little tramp who cud barely carry the cutting equipment 10feet
Not good,not good at all
Truest statement ever!!!! They do a totally different physical entrance test over here. I remember having an argument with a woman once about female firemen (I refuse to even say the term "firefighter") after a few minutes of becoming rapidly bored I just said to the over opinionated skank "if you're in a fire and you're just about to pass out due to smoke inhalation and will probably never wake up again, who do you want climbing up that ladder to save you - me or some 5 foot nothing 90 pound bint?" conversation over!!
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I'm not completely opposed to the fact that Affirmative Action ever existed, because one has to admit that it helped to open doors that would've remained closed for decades.
That said, I think its usefulness has expired. Even though that could mean fewer Blacks at the top of white-dominated companies, maybe it'll inspire more Blacks to build their own mega-corporations. I'm not advocating segregation by any means, but Mormons and Jews are more likely to spend their money with other Mormons and Jews whenever possible.
Why shouldn't Blacks be doing the same in order to improve the lives of black Americans across-the-board?
To the original point, when two candidates for a job are in the final interview, the one who looks more like the interviewer is going to have a built-in advantage during the selection process. Human nature is what it is.
Not every employer gets to look across his desk and see his dream negro:
LOL@Dream Negro. Sounds like a Will Smith central casting role. Richard Parsons still on the scene? That guy drew some water in the day.
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Truest statement ever!!!! They do a totally different physical entrance test over here. I remember having an argument with a woman once about female firemen (I refuse to even say the term "firefighter") after a few minutes of becoming rapidly bored I just said to the over opinionated skank "if you're in a fire and you're just about to pass out due to smoke inhalation and will probably never wake up again, who do you want climbing up that ladder to save you - me or some 5 foot nothing 90 pound bint?" conversation over!!
Exactly
We,bein d pricks we are in our service,during a training exercise one of my mates (6'3 19stone) pretended to pass out next to the skank and when she couldnt budge him with one of the other guys we argued about her suitability to save us in a real life situation
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Why dont u inspire white youth too?
Whats wrong with whites?
What is herbicepscam?
Great question, and you're right to call me out on that.
Although I grew up with a lot of poor Whites, 20-30 years ago, I could see that - despite being from 'bad stock' - they still had more opportunities than Blacks. They could get a $6/hour job at the feed mill, because the owner was doing the kid's dad a favor. Black kid with no police record comes in for a job..."sorry, not hiring today, but please leave your application with us. You might wanna try at Winn-Dixie."
When you look at the numbers, it's clear that all the anecdotal evidence we see with our eyes is all-too-accurate - black males are a seriously at-risk population, and few people, if any, are working to fix the problems which plague our communities. Without adequate supervision and strong, fatherly role models, these kids are headed for failure. Sure, some will escape and will make it. But too many of them won't.
Speaking to my own experience, I taught for a portion of a school year at a middle school in DC. All the students were black and it was, without question, one of the worst experiences of my life. And as bad as the kids were, the parents were worse. Even though I was not going to return anyway, I was not asked to teach the following year because I actually expected the kids to learn something in my class.
I HAVE to speak to Black America. White folks gon' be alright...but black folks? My people are in trouble and I have an obligation to them...and if I do that work, it will absolutely benefit America as a whole.
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~WTF is "reverse discimination" - like discrimination goes only one way - FUCK SAKE I hate this PC Bullshit - there is also reverse sexism BOLLOX
The same shit with - "positive discrimination" I hear that crap in the office a lot - what it means is that "for excample" the German governement sets a certain target for Companies of a % of woman that have to be given a chance to have a leading position in the board - because some bitch gets the automaticly the job even if (by pure chance) some guy is much better suited and qualified for it - thats what they call "positive discrimination"
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Well some fair points
I dont mind black americans but the only blacks over here are african benefit spongers
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Hopefully this represents an end to the rampant and ongoing racism against whites in the USA today:
You're a poor excuse for a Matt Canning impersonation...
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LOL@Dream Negro. Sounds like a Will Smith central casting role. Richard Parsons still on the scene? That guy drew some water in the day.
Had to look it up to be sure, but he is the new chairman of Citigroup. Great, put the black man in the captain's chair when the ship is taking on water!
http://www.blackentrepreneurprofile.com/profile-full/article/richard-dean-parson/
Kwame Jackson (season 1) was really sharp, too, but wasn't as handsome as Bill, so the white guy got the nod from Trump.
Kwame's arms look good, but he needs to put in some serious work on the delts:
(http://new.kwamejackson.com/albums/personal/scan_2.sized.jpg)
Why can't intelligent brothas ever find any black women to date?
(http://new.kwamejackson.com/albums/personal/KansasState.sized.jpg)
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classifying people by race is as stupid and pointless as classifying people by the length of their fingernails or how many nose hairs they have.
Reverse Discrimination is BS- discrimination is discrimination even if it's not the most popular form.
hate crimes are redundant too.
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Whose ruling did the Supreme Court overrule?
Obama can really pick'em.
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(http://new.kwamejackson.com/albums/personal/KansasState.sized.jpg)
LOL. Somewhere, MattC is reaching for his amyls and refreshing 'StormFront.' ;D
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Whose ruling did the Supreme Court overrule?
Obama can really pick'em.
Obama hasn't yet appointed any Supreme Court justices. ::)
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Where did I use the word "appointed"?
I said "pick'em". As in SELECTED as nominee. The president selects the nominee for the position. That is the very first step. He picks'em.
Get it chief or should I draw you a picture? ::)
Obama selects Sotomayor as Supreme Court nominee
President Obama and Vice President Joe Biden escort Sonia Sotomayor to the White House's East Room just before the announcement that the federal judge was Obama's nominee for the Supreme Court.
(http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2009-05/47128741.jpg)
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Obama hasn't yet appointed any Supreme Court justices. ::)
And the funny thing with Supreme Court nominees....? They have an annoying habit of not making decisions that jibe with your political leanings. Every President who ever tried to load the court finds this out. ;D
/'course there will always be idiots like scalia and thomas...just sayin'
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Obama really knows who to nominate. ::)
Is that better?
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This thread has turned into a celebration of black power and I hate it
LOL. Your hate has long been noted. We get it. Have a seat with MattC at the back of the bus.
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Why must a group of blacks, who did not perform well on a test, cry that the test was unfair towards certain races instead of being disappointed in themselves for not performing well? Why is it always some type of exterior force that blacks must blame for their shitty situations? Why do they never take responsibility for their own shortcomings?
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~WTF is "reverse discimination" - like discrimination goes only one way - FUCK SAKE I hate this PC Bullshit - there is also reverse sexism BOLLOX
The same shit with - "positive discrimination" I hear that crap in the office a lot - what it means is that "for excample" the German governement sets a certain target for Companies of a % of woman that have to be given a chance to have a leading position in the board - because some bitch gets the automaticly the job even if (by pure chance) some guy is much better suited and qualified for it - thats what they call "positive discrimination"
For years, the argument in the U.S. has been that Blacks and other non-Whites did not have the power to discriminate. Blacks and other non-Whites could be 'prejudiced', but the liberals who defined the terms for the debate put discrimination solely in the negative category 'for Whites only'.
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Why must a group of blacks, who did not perform well on a test, cry that the test was unfair towards certain races instead of being disappointed in themselves for not performing well? Why is it always some type of exterior force that blacks must blame for their shitty situations? Why do they never take responsibility for their own shortcomings?
That is NOT what happened here.
I can sense that you want to expand the discussion to allow for your prejudice, but what I don't want is for you to have a false impression of what happened in this case.
The city threw out the results of the test, not because non-White firefighters complained about the results, but because they didn't WANT to be sued because no non-Whites qualified for advancement.
The test doesn't know what race any of the test-takers are. The exam is non-biased. The people who prepared best did best on the exam, period.
To your broader statements, in general, I do agree that we are largely responsible for where we are in life. Although the deck is stacked against many of us - not just Blacks - I do agree that we have a lot of doggone opportunities that we don't take advantage of...myself included.
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That is NOT what happened here.
I can sense that you want to expand the discussion to allow for your prejudice, but what I don't want is for you to have a false impression of what happened in this case.
The city threw out the results of the test, not because non-White firefighters complained about the results, but because they didn't WANT to be sued because no non-Whites qualified for advancement.
The test doesn't know what race any of the test-takers are. The exam is non-biased. The people who prepared best did best on the exam, period.
To your broader statements, in general, I do agree that we are largely responsible for where we are in life. Although the deck is stacked against many of us - not just Blacks - I do agree that we have a lot of doggone opportunities that we don't take advantage of...myself included.
In the video on the top of page 3 the reporter says that the city responded to complaints by the black test takers who were stating it was unfair.
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In the video on the top of page 3 the reporter says that the city responded to complaints by the black test takers who were stating it was unfair.
Ah, the first - and only - time I've heard that mentioned. Not surprised that it came from CNN.
One interesting thing in the video was the text from the minority opinion written by Justice Ginsburg. She said that the only disagreement with the majority ruling was over the issue of Title VII, which was concerned with the disparate percentages of the scores by race.
So, the fact that the percentages were the ONLY point of contention - as judged by the Supreme Court - says that New Haven did act responsibly in setting up the selection process. That says that the Court is thinking common sensically and that's good for us all.
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New Haven sucks. What a shitty pseudo-city.
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black males are a seriously at-risk population
lol, like some endangered species, yeah right
That says that the Court is thinking common sensically and that's good for us all.
it's all too rare
the supreme court has been constricting our rights slowly for decades, look at some other recent decisions. relaxed laws against self-incrimination, giving cops more leeway in interrogating suspects who request legal representation. they've been nipping away slowly and soon we'll have none left.
and the shit I can't believe is sotomayor, people say she should be on the supreme court, she'll be the first hispanic, she's a woman, blah blah blah.
the Supreme court is NOT A REPRESENTATIVE BODY. if she wasn't a hispanic woman she wouldn't have even been considered.
this was a good decision though. they are just too few and far between these days.
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lol, like some endangered species, yeah right
it's all too rare
the supreme court has been constricting our rights slowly for decades, look at some other recent decisions. relaxed laws against self-incrimination, giving cops more leeway in interrogating suspects who request legal representation. they've been nipping away slowly and soon we'll have none left.
and the shit I can't believe is sotomayor, people say she should be on the supreme court, she'll be the first hispanic, she's a woman, blah blah blah.
the Supreme court is NOT A REPRESENTATIVE BODY. if she wasn't a hispanic woman she wouldn't have even been considered.
this was a good decision though. they are just too few and far between these days.
Probably true. This being politics, and all. But if she wasn't a good jurist, she wouldn't have even registered on the legal radar. Ya know? Kinda like John Roberts hitting the bench and becoming the Supreme Court Justice. ;)
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I agree that the Supreme Court doesn't need to look like America.
But all the available evidence tells us that black males, yes, are 'like some endangered species'.
A ridiculously high percentage of black males are in prison and they've left behind kids who are being raised by mothers who simply are not equipped to be both mommy and daddy in a household. This leads to a propagation of the 'prison species'.
I know it sounds like rhetoric from the privileged black moderate's mouth (hey, I'll need to use that one again), but every successful black person not named Obama should be focused in on improving our collective lot in order to preserve black American culture.
This notion of preservation is not a concept that I expect to be important to non-Blacks, but I do hope that non-Blacks understand the necessity - and global benefits - of making the black population in America more productive than it currently is.
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"Blood in the streets in the town of New Haven"
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Give me L.A. Woman, any day, bro. :)
/and not the shitty 3 minute radio version; the 7.5 minute interstate cruising version
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Give me L.A. Woman, any day, bro. :)
/and not the shitty 3 minute radio version; the 7.5 minute interstate cruising version
:) Yep but gotta love Peace Frog. Any reference to New Haven always makes me think of that song. The references to Chicago, my home town sends chills down my spine still. That song is gritty.
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:) Yep but gotta love Peace Frog. Any reference to New Haven always makes me think of that song. The references to Chicago, my home town sends chills down my spine still. That song is gritty.
Agree. Great town. But, when I think of Chi-town, I think of music, and food, food, food. I'm simple that way. :D
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I agree that the Supreme Court doesn't need to look like America.
But all the available evidence tells us that black males, yes, are 'like some endangered species'.
A ridiculously high percentage of black males are in prison and they've left behind kids who are being raised by mothers who simply are not equipped to be both mommy and daddy in a household. This leads to a propagation of the 'prison species'.
I know it sounds like rhetoric from the privileged black moderate's mouth (hey, I'll need to use that one again), but every successful black person not named Obama should be focused in on improving our collective lot in order to preserve black American culture.
This notion of preservation is not a concept that I expect to be important to non-Blacks, but I do hope that non-Blacks understand the necessity - and global benefits - of making the black population in America more productive than it currently is.
Well the nigs arent in prison for no reason
Also,yes I agree with you,blacks arent equipped to be decent parents
What should we do? Sterilise them?? I think that is the best solution
And why should the world 'understand the benefits' of productive black americans??
You guys have been given opportunity upon opportunity and you still cry racism when your not upto the white mans level
Be thankful your not still a fucking slave
Now fuck off
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Well the nigs arent in prison for no reason
Also,yes I agree with you,blacks arent equipped to be decent parents
What should we do? Sterilise them?? I think that is the best solution
And why should the world 'understand the benefits' of productive black americans??
You guys have been given opportunity upon opportunity and you still cry racism when your not upto the white mans level
Be thankful your not still a fucking slave
Now fuck off
I realize you aren't that well-educated, but you do make many references to the 'spongers' in your posts. To put it simply, if those people were working, then they would not be sponging. The annual tax savings alone to you and others like you makes it worthwhile to find a way to put people to work, to say nothing of the fact that workers actually pay taxes.
It's just common sense that a more productive population benefits everyone in the larger population.
Racism doesn't impact one's capacity to do something, but it does often impact opportunity.
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Why the fuck should we constantly have to help them though???
Slavery is abolished,blacks are allowed on buses,so why should we CONSTANTLY have to bend over backwards to given 'black youth' an opportunity??? Fuck them,its in their hands,not ours
Our blacks are lazy worthless africans who dress like a rapper
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Why the fuck should we constantly have to help them though???
Slavery is abolished,blacks are allowed on buses,so why should we CONSTANTLY have to bend over backwards to given 'black youth' an opportunity??? Fuck them,its in their hands,not ours
Our blacks are lazy worthless africans who dress like a rapper
Then instead of selling the images of the 'black rapper' to black kids, why not sell them images of the 'black businessman' or 'black teacher'?
If our society is training them to become something undesirable - a rap video 'thug', for example - then why don't we bear SOME responsibility in working to fix that ongoing problem?
The problem is that a free-market society set things up this way...we can't stop the decision-makers - the majority of whom are NOT black - from doing what they can to make money, but given that reality, they've gotta own some share of the blame, too.
But blame aside, the problems need to be corrected and not just talked about.
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You are a highly intelligent man
But you must stop your crusade for black youth,the majority of them are fucked,be it society,bad parenting or less brains then whitey
Either way,the (chocolate) cream will rise to the top and the rest of the blacks will blame whitey for holding them back
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Tre, it's pretty cool that you're going to try to help out kids who would otherwise fall through the cracks. Not sure how much luck you'll have on a broad scale but without effort nothing would change. Good on ya.
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Tre, it's pretty cool that you're going to try to help out kids who would otherwise fall through the cracks. Not sure how much luck you'll have on a broad scale but without effort nothing would change. Good on ya.
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I have respect for Tre but its not whites fault that blacks are unmotivated
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Then instead of selling the images of the 'black rapper' to black kids, why not sell them images of the 'black businessman' or 'black teacher'?
Thats the solution.
But guess why its not happening?
Because of blacks.
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Thats the solution.
But guess why its not happening?
Because of blacks.
There's a large degree of truth in your argument and it starts with parents turning OFF the TVs and radios and putting kids' heads in books.
When they walk out the door into the world, they're still going to be exposed to things that aren't healthy to them, but the less TV a kid watches, the better he does in school.
I have a black daughter, but her mother is white. She insists that the kid should be raised on television. Gotta have a 'show' with every goddamn meal. Now, I have a smart kid thanks to the great genetics she gets from me and my family, but why must her mother work so hard to try to dumb down our child with the TV and the movies, and every damn thing that says 'Hannah Montana' on it? It's weird, but the answer is that she doesn't WANT our child to be smart, because smart kids don't follow religion (Mormon) as much as the dumb kids do. Smart kids ask too many tough questions in church, something their church frowns upon.
That said, FUCK Hannah Montana (no pedo). That bitch doesn't pay a single one of the bills, yet to look around the house, you'd think she had her own room there.
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You are a highly intelligent man
But you must stop your crusade for black youth,the majority of them are fucked,be it society,bad parenting or less brains then whitey
Either way,the (chocolate) cream will rise to the top and the rest of the blacks will blame whitey for holding them back
You're 100% correct about the cream rising to the top, but that does not take away our responsibility to help those who need strong fathers. The work has to be done, regardless of the reasons the fathers aren't there.
This was posted on RXM by a beautiful - and seemingly intelligent - black woman:
BTW, if you're wondering where all the fine, black men are. Go visit a prison one day. you'd be amazed and saddened all at the same time.
I cannot believe she made that statement, even though she feels it to be true. I don't see anything 'fine' about the people in prison (although I'm sure there are some exceptions), yet this is her position.
I have respect for Tre but its not whites fault that blacks are unmotivated
Thanks, man. Didn't mean to get so heated with you, but I'm deeply passionate about these issues, because they're just that important, not just to me, and not just to Blacks, but to the entire world. My jaw dropped the other day when the black female reporter asked Obama what *he* is going to do about the 20% unemployment rate among black men. That number is mind-boggling...a definite cause for alarm.
Tre, it's pretty cool that you're going to try to help out kids who would otherwise fall through the cracks. Not sure how much luck you'll have on a broad scale but without effort nothing would change. Good on ya.
Thanks for your kind words. I've always known it would take the collective efforts of millions to bring about effective change, but I've always had a belief that I could get a small avalanche started all on my own. I remember when black student organizations were doing community work during my university years...I never participated, despite being very active on the seminar circuit and joining in think tanks. I felt that my work needed to happen elsewhere - I was gonna bring the light to non-Blacks - and so I didn't get my hands dirty.
The lingering guilt from my failure to get involved early does motivate me now somewhat. Times have definitely changed, I have a lot more life experience, and being a parent has greatly broadened my perspective. I also have many more resources at my disposal now and really have the ability to do a lot more than I could've back then.
My generation has completely forgotten The Struggle or never learned much about it at all and we're doing ourselves a tremendous disservice by not teaching our kids about what our parents went through so that we can enjoy all the freedom and opportunities we have today.
Thanks for the time, everyone. I really need to get some sleep now that I think the dog is going to be ok (my not-so-bright ex-wife let the little pup eat chocolate - ARGH!).
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New Haven sucks. What a shitty pseudo-city.
yes
home of one of the greatest Universities in the world
and
The world's greatest law school
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yes
home of one of the greatest Universities in the world
and
The world's greatest law school
BerzerkFury has downs syndrome
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Thats the solution.
But guess why its not happening?
Because of blacks.
Man it's all very intertwined and complex. I have been through the worst hoods in Chicago. It appears unemployment is rampant there cause I see so many able bodied men just hanging out on the street all day long. A lack of opportunity has hurt them it is obvious, possibly low self esteem too. Then they find out they can get a place with government assistance and make some money being in a gang and presto this is their life, blows me away they go ahead and have children in that context. They are without a doubt dissenfranchised. I think instead of looking up to a black CEO they look up to sports figures ::) One things for sure it all starts with the parents.
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Problem is the average black person has a significantly lower IQ than the average caucasian. This is the reason why blacks will NEVER go far as a group in modern civilisation. Couple that with the fact that blacks have a higher natural testosterone level than caucasians you have a recipe for disaster and all the reasons you need to explain their sorry situation right here & there.
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Man it's all very intertwined and complex. I have been through the worst hoods in Chicago. It appears unemployment is rampant there cause I see so many able bodied men just hanging out on the street all day long. A lack of opportunity has hurt them it is obvious, possibly low self esteem too. Then they find out they can get a place with government assistance and make some money being in a gang and presto this is their life, blows me away they go ahead and have children in that context. They are without a doubt dissenfranchised. I think instead of looking up to a black CEO they look up to sports figures ::) One things for sure it all starts with the parents.
a great post
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BerzerkFury has downs syndrome
does he really?
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does he really?
Yes,but so do many people here
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Yes,but so do many people here
oh well
as long as they can hang
its cool
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Tre, you need to form a network of guys that the people you want to reach will listen to and respect. Here is a black guy that you do not want to disrespect:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=53745903
This is stuff that a ghetto kid would pay attention to way more than a lecture about the importance of education, etc.
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All fire departments hire a woman just to feel politically correct
Well political correctness is the death of OCCIDENTAL society
We had a 5'2 ugly little tramp who cud barely carry the cutting equipment 10feet
Not good,not good at all
this crap is just taking over occidental countries... north america...europe... not much in other parts of the world.
we'll all see how the russians muslims chinese and africans will deal with our next generations of ultra pussified kids and grandkids...going to be a massacre..
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Man it's all very intertwined and complex. I have been through the worst hoods in Chicago. It appears unemployment is rampant there cause I see so many able bodied men just hanging out on the street all day long. A lack of opportunity has hurt them it is obvious, possibly low self esteem too. Then they find out they can get a place with government assistance and make some money being in a gang and presto this is their life, blows me away they go ahead and have children in that context. They are without a doubt dissenfranchised. I think instead of looking up to a black CEO they look up to sports figures ::) One things for sure it all starts with the parents.
A couple good comments in here.
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yes
home of one of the greatest Universities in the world
and
The world's greatest law school
Yes, and outside of the old campus near High St. where the law school, Sterling Library, Bass Library and the rare book library are, it's not that nice. Granted the buildings in that part are incredible. But it doesn't even feel like a university campus unless you're near the colleges or in that area because it's so spread out and intertwined with the shithole that is New Haven.
Can argue that Harvard has a better law school as well. Yale's gets a lot of points for having a much smaller class size.
I remember Mike Dusa being a huge fan of Yale athletics. 8)
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Outed.
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Outed.
;D ;D
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Problem is the average black person has a significantly lower IQ than the average caucasian. This is the reason why blacks will NEVER go far as a group in modern civilisation. Couple that with the fact that blacks have a higher natural testosterone level than caucasians you have a recipe for disaster and all the reasons you need to explain their sorry situation right here & there.
True.
But if they started to work and educate themself their average iq would surley rise.
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True.
But if they started to work and educate themself their average iq would surley rise.
ahahahahahaahha, yes IF.
but as long as we have UNO rice, NATO cookies and welfare in western countries, that will never happen.
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ahahahahahaahha, yes IF.
but as long as we have UNO rice, NATO cookies and welfare in western countries, that will never happen.
Funny thing is 99% of the world problems has the solution to them Right infront of us.
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You are racists.
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You are racists.
I'm tired of bein' poor & even worse I'm black
my stomach hurts so I'm lookin' for a purse to snatch
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This black man is one of my favourite popular scientists.
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Funny thing is 99% of the world problems has the solution to them Right infront of us.
western money? ;D ;D
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western money? ;D ;D
Honesty from all world leaders would solve that problem probably
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Man it's all very intertwined and complex. I have been through the worst hoods in Chicago. It appears unemployment is rampant there cause I see so many able bodied men just hanging out on the street all day long. A lack of opportunity has hurt them it is obvious, possibly low self esteem too. Then they find out they can get a place with government assistance and make some money being in a gang and presto this is their life, blows me away they go ahead and have children in that context. They are without a doubt dissenfranchised. I think instead of looking up to a black CEO they look up to sports figures ::) One things for sure it all starts with the parents.
That is the crux of the problem
however
I have read that 80% of black kids have only a mom at home
or grandmother
not even a fighting chance with those situations
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That is the crux of the problem
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I have read that 80% of black kids have only a mom at home
or grandmother
not even a fighting chance with those situations
Well lax I would say yeah it's gonna be harder for them and in the neighborhoods they live in makes it even harder. But a good, strong leader of Mother can do it if she is not lazy and has her shit relatively together. My dad died when I was young (6) my Mom stepped up to the plate, got herself educated (College degree from St. Xavier's) was able to buy us a new house in a decent neighborhood and she stayed strict with us. She did not let us just do what ever we wanted, she made sure we went in the right direction. Even though I fought it and made life her hell at times. Was it the best circumstances? No, but it turned out OK in the end.
I have seen documentaries on the ghettos and sometimes you will see these single parent kids with good strong mothers and the kids are good, smart, determined kids who are not in the gangs and they are getting ready for college you know they will make it just hearing them talk. Same hood , same # of parents situation just one parent is good and does the right things the other not. So yeah its all about the parents or in many cases just the Parent.
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Man it's all very intertwined and complex. I have been through the worst hoods in Chicago. It appears unemployment is rampant there cause I see so many able bodied men just hanging out on the street all day long. A lack of opportunity has hurt them it is obvious, possibly low self esteem too. Then they find out they can get a place with government assistance and make some money being in a gang and presto this is their life, blows me away they go ahead and have children in that context. They are without a doubt dissenfranchised. I think instead of looking up to a black CEO they look up to sports figures ::) One things for sure it all starts with the parents.
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Problem is the average black person has a significantly lower IQ than the average caucasian. This is the reason why blacks will NEVER go far as a group in modern civilisation. Couple that with the fact that blacks have a higher natural testosterone level than caucasians you have a recipe for disaster and all the reasons you need to explain their sorry situation right here & there.
Oh, that it were so simple. Having a 'lower IQ' doesn't mean one has an inherent lack of ability to do or motivation to get a job. How high must one's IQ be to do roofing work? Law enforcement?
Sure, we typically want the smarter people advancing to higher levels, but there's no reason why someone with average aptitude but an incredible work ethic shouldn't be considered for at least limited advancement, too.
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Tre, you need to form a network of guys that the people you want to reach will listen to and respect. Here is a black guy that you do not want to disrespect:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=53745903
This is stuff that a ghetto kid would pay attention to way more than a lecture about the importance of education, etc.
Excellent points. I'm not sure why black kids have always been so fascinated with martial arts and 'kung-fu movies', but you're spot-on. A man like that could certainly attract an audience and captivate some young minds.
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Excellent points. I'm not sure why black kids have always been so fascinated with martial arts and 'kung-fu movies', but you're spot-on. A man like that could certainly attract an audience and captivate some young minds.
Tre is a black man with a big cock, no doubt about it.
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True.
But if they started to work and educate themself their average iq would surley rise.
If a person with Down syndrome started to work and educate themselves, would their IQ rise? If so, to what extent?
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Tre is a black man with a big cock, no doubt about it.
That's just a MYTH. LOL!
I did hear recently that GH would increase the size of the little guy (never heard that before), so maybe there's hope.
I've got a set of stones, though, no question. I've got a lot to lose, yet I'm willing to put it all on the line in order to make my country a better place than it is right now.
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I have small balls
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That's just a MYTH. LOL!
I did hear recently that GH would increase the size of the little guy (never heard that before), so maybe there's hope.
I've got a set of stones, though, no question. I've got a lot to lose, yet I'm willing to put it all on the line in order to make my country a better place than it is right now.
that is what we need
you are a great american
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Excellent points. I'm not sure why black kids have always been so fascinated with martial arts and 'kung-fu movies', but you're spot-on. A man like that could certainly attract an audience and captivate some young minds.
What I'm driving at is that you might do better to make your initial appeals to adults rather than at risk youth. If you frame your pitch well and don't ask for anything that's going to put them off in early stages, I'd think you'd get a lot of interest. If I were doing this, I'd tell local business owners that 'we' are just looking for positive role models for at risk youth, and would they be willing to display this sticker in their shop window or on their company vehicle like their neighbors will be doing. If they press for an answer on what they're going to have to do, I'd say they might be asked to give a short talk sometime but only at their convenience. The main thing in the early stages is getting them on board. Later on, you can ask for progressively more and more from these people (give this kid a job, let these kids use your gym, teach these kids judo, act as a mentor to this kid, etc) bearing in mind that their willingness to accommodate your requests will be proportional to their perception of the strength and utility of your movement.
Getting youth on board is another matter. You can't expect them to turn up every week for an hour lecture on the virtues of education down at the corner butcher shop. They simply won't turn up. Something 'cool' like martial arts will keep them coming back and have them feeling like they are associated with an organization with some balls to it. Not sure how much you know about the birth of the Black Panther movement, but when people feel beat down or under threat, learning 12 ways to break people's arms tends to hold their attention. Again, the main challenge is just getting them on board and establishing a group mentality. When that's done, you can begin to introduce other aspects and preaching about things which would have sent them running for the exit on day 1, or organize protests to address issues that are on the local mind.
If things go well for a few months, you could contact black celebs to see who is willing to make appearances, see if a local accountant would be willing to get you registered as a charity on a pro bono basis and start asking people/firms for money, see if legal firms would offer pro bono help, and establish a chain of command that would let you begin to branch out to other cities using what you've learned.
Those are my initial thoughts anyway on how to establish the identity of your organization. Too spooky? What's your plan then? Come on, spill it.
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This black man is one of my favourite popular scientists.
Degrasse-Tyson = a great guy.
But he is not like "so black that he looks blue" as the most underachieving africans are.
Have you ever seen a somalian with a Ph.D?
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If a man with dyslexia was able to score higher than every black man performing the test, how can it be biased?
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If a man with dyslexia was able to score higher than every black man performing the test, how can it be biased?
The "biased" argument = stupid.
The tests are good.
How many somalian Ph.D's = out there Mazi? How many!?
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The "biased" argument = stupid.
The tests are good.
How many somalian Ph.D's = out there Mazi? How many!?
Mazi=olive skinned Italianoid=bad example for master race :-\
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If a man with dyslexia was able to score higher than every black man performing the test, how can it be biased?
My question exactly.
The only obvious conclusion is that he prepared better than the guys who didn't score as well as he did.
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My question exactly.
The only obvious conclusion is that he prepared better than the guys who didn't score as well as he did.
Why is that? A normal person can't really prepare for an IQ test, and how his dyslexia influenced his ability on the figure series = not clear.