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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: wavelength on July 08, 2009, 01:39:08 AM
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... I think this deserves special attention. I asked one of the world's leading nutritionists about my method of getting ripped using the simple rules of protein intake, rate of weight loss, and anaerobic training while eating "junk" food, drinking alcohol, doing no cardio, using candy and icecream for carbing up, not caring about fat/carb ratio, not caring about GI, not using any supplements other than whey for convenience, not caring about meal frequency. This is what he had to say:
Do people really give you sh!t about your results because they weren't achieved with clean foods? That's funny, especially considering that people don't realize that "clean" is a subjective term. One thing to remember is that most people simply do not have a fundamental understanding of human physiology. Did you eat at a caloric deficit? Yes. Did your protein intake and training regimen support LBM retention or at least minimize LBM loss? Yes...... I honestly don't see what's so fcking difficult for naysayers to understand about that.
At my absolute leanest, I ate a pint of hagen daaz every single night right before bed. I also did not have a car at the time, so I biked to school & work. I was running a caloric defricit, so I got lean. The people who give you sh!t are the same brotards who will spend $$$$ on completely useless supps, so we can laugh at them together.
And here is a little background info on Alan: 'Alan Aragon has over 15 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine, where he has a monthly column called "Ask The Weight Loss Coach".'
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Whats your take on protein intake?
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Whats your take on protein intake?
My rule is 1g / lb of lean body mass. Alan's is 1g / lb of target weight, which is basically the same.
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ummmm, i think we got the concept at this point.
Calories in< calories out= weight loss
You can stop beating us over the head with it
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My rule is 1g / lb of lean body mass. Alan's is 1g / lb of target weight, which is basically the same.
Do you think if you doubled that you would of held onto more lean tissue?
Alan Aragon is possibly loaded on gh and other assorted goodies especialy seeming he has a hand in the pie of olympic and pro athletes.
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ummmm, i think we got the concept at this point.
Calories in< calories out= weight loss
You can stop beating us over the head with it
Of course but that's not what it's about. The target of a cutting diet is not losing weight but doing it with optimal or at least close to optimal body composition. Losing weight does not automatically mean getting ripped.
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Of course but that's not what it's about. The target of a cutting diet is not losing weight but doing it with optimal or at least close to optimal body composition. Losing weight does not automatically mean getting ripped.
You have stated numerous times that as long as a base protein requirement is met, all you have to do is operate at a caloric deficit, and you get lean.
Now are you saying, at this stage in the game, that there is more to it than that? that it's NOT, after all.... "too easy?"
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Do you think if you doubled that you would of held onto more lean tissue?
Alan Aragon is possibly loaded on gh and other assorted goodies especialy seeming he has a hand in the pie of olympic and pro athletes.
No I don't think so, at least not significantly. On my previous cut, my ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss was about 9:1. I only lost about 1.5 lbs of LBM. Generally, more protein is OK but the tradeoff is less carb and fat intake. And I need carbs for performing optimally in the gym. This is not the same for everyone though IMO.
Alan knows his shit also with naturals, you can be sure of that.
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You have stated numerous times that as long as a base protein requirement is met, all you have to do is operate at a caloric deficit, and you get lean.
Now are you saying, at this stage in the game, that there is more to it than that? that it's NOT, after all.... "too easy?"
You were just talking about calories in vs. calories out and how that leads to weight loss. I responded that the point was fat loss, not weight loss. For optimal fat loss, protein intake and anaerobic training is needed additionally. Maybe it was a misunderstanding.
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No I don't think so, at least not significantly. On my previous cut, my ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss was about 9:1. I only lost about 1.5 lbs of LBM. Generally, more protein is OK but the tradeoff is less carb and fat intake. And I need carbs for performing optimally in the gym. This is not the same for everyone though IMO.
Alan knows his shit also with naturals, you can be sure of that.
Yes everyone is different , that is the key I think..if I lived off take out foods etc id be a mess :D
No doubt he does but if he is enhanced then following his eating plan or using it as a reference for a natural is not apples with apples.
Do you have a very fast metabolism?
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Yes everyone is different , that is the key I think..if I lived off take out foods etc id be a mess :D
No doubt he does but if he is enhanced then following his eating plan or using it as a reference for a natural is not apples with apples.
Do you have a very fast metabolism?
I don't, I gain fat very easily.
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... I think this deserves special attention. I asked one of the world's leading nutritionists about my method of getting ripped using the simple rules of protein intake, rate of weight loss, and anaerobic training while eating "junk" food, drinking alcohol, doing no cardio, using candy and icecream for carbing up, not caring about fat/carb ratio, not caring about GI, not using any supplements other than whey for convenience, not caring about meal frequency. This is what he had to say:
And here is a little background info on Alan: 'Alan Aragon has over 15 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine, where he has a monthly column called "Ask The Weight Loss Coach".'
what you don't seem to understand is that he biked 8 miles to work and back every day.
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what you don't seem to understand is that he biked 8 miles to work and back every day.
That was obviously not his point. But if you think it was, I can again ask him specifically about the cardio part. I can guarantee you that he will respond the same. He knows that I don't do any cardio.
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Some foods increase your metabolism more than others, for example, foods with vitamin B, vitamin B speeds up metabolism = more fat loss.
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Do you have a very fast metabolism?
I'm curious about this as well. what did you look like before you started your cut?
I only say this because if you are a naturally very lean guy like JohnnynoGame, then saying "look how lean i am!!!" really ain't saying shit, y'know?
I think Johnny's funny because he thinks that Tabata crap is what makes him lean. His mommy and daddy made him lean
Not a slam....just curious
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What's your opinion of HIIT?
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That was obviously not his point. But if you think it was, I can again ask him specifically about the cardio part. I can guarantee you that he will respond the same. He knows that I don't do any cardio.
I just say it's a tad ridiculous to say "I got lean without doing cardio, i ate only ice cream and biked 16 miles ed." ::) ::)
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I don't, I gain fat very easily.
any pics of you fat?
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Some foods increase your metabolism more than others, for example, foods with vitamin B, vitamin B speeds up metabolism = more fat loss.
Even if there is a significant effect, the point is not increasing meatabolism but improving body composition at a certain rate of weight loss resp. target weight. While with the same intake, rate of weight loss may change, this does not automatically mean better body composition at target weight.
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wavelength, y know i respect you but this method is bulshit.
I you want to have a swimmers body its ok.
BUT if youre serious about bodybuilding and geting big, you cant eat 2 "snitzels" the size of a dogshit a day and grow.
I you just want to get lean its ok. its not for bb purposes.
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I just say it's a tad ridiculous to say "I got lean without doing cardio, i ate only ice cream and biked 16 miles ed." ::) ::)
He was using himself only as an example for the rule of creating a deficit with whatever means. Again, the cardio was obviously not his point, as his response clearly indicated: "Did you eat at a caloric deficit? Yes.". But I will ask him about it to make that 100% clear.
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wavelength, y know i respect you but this method is bulshit.
I you want to have a swimmers body its ok.
BUT if youre serious about bodybuilding and geting big, you cant eat 2 "snitzels" the size of a dogshit a day and grow.
I you just want to get lean its ok. its not for bb purposes.
I can't speak for wave here, but if he were to bulk, i would assume he would follow a more typical diet with higher cals and more frequent meals. Makes sense really, as bulking doesn;t really have anything to do with cutting. Two completely different approaches to dieting. This works for him now, so lets say he bulked up to 200lbs and started dieting again, it would still work.
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any pics of you fat?
I only have one at about 15%.
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/data/500/Bulk_best.jpg)
Before I started working out, I was probably around 20-25%.
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wavelength, y know i respect you but this method is bulshit.
I you want to have a swimmers body its ok.
BUT if youre serious about bodybuilding and geting big, you cant eat 2 "snitzels" the size of a dogshit a day and grow.
I you just want to get lean its ok. its not for bb purposes.
Bodybuilding means both bulking and cutting. But of course, for bulking, you need to eat more. I would also eat 2 or 3 meals in this case just because I would get sick otherwise.
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What's your opinion of HIIT?
It's what I would do if I did cardio. Just because it doesn't take so long.
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He was using himself only as an example for the rule of creating a deficit with whatever means. Again, the cardio was obviously not his point, as his response clearly indicated: "Did you eat at a caloric deficit? Yes.". But I will ask him about it to make that 100% clear.
SURE he was in a caloric deficit, he was BIKING TO WORK ED!!!!!!
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I can't speak for wave here, but if he were to bulk, i would assume he would follow a more typical diet with higher cals and more frequent meals. Makes sense really, as bulking doesn;t really have anything to do with cutting. Two completely different approaches to dieting. This works for him now, so lets say he bulked up to 200lbs and started dieting again, it would still work.
Exactly, I would obviously eat more. Higher frequency because of convenience.
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SURE he was in a caloric deficit, he was BIKING TO WORK ED!!!!!!
What's your point? He could have done the exact same thing without cardio and eating less. I will ask him and he will agree, I can 100% guarantee you that.
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What's your point? He could have done the exact same thing without cardio and eating less. I will ask him and he will agree, I can 100% guarantee you that.
Invite him to join GB ;)
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Invite him to join GB ;)
I'm sure he knows GB and would have joined if he wanted to. ;D
He is active on a lot of boards.
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What's your point? He could have done the exact same thing without cardio and eating less. I will ask him and he will agree, I can 100% guarantee you that.
sure. Then it's only the question, if a 150lbs couch potato is in a caloric deficit when eating ice cream all day.
To show you that fatloss isn't magic at all, here is another method, the one which i prefer actually. The TRX metabolic training is a bit like Tabata cycles:
http://community.fitnessanywhere.com/blogs/mfp_interviews/archive/2009/06/25/pn-review.aspx
Earlier this year John Berardi and Alwyn Cosgrove joined forces with Fitness Anywhere’s own Fraser Quelch to design and launch an informal fitness experiment. Everyone did the same weightlifting program designed by Alwyn Cosgrove 2-days a week. On two additional days each group performed a steady state, interval or TRX based workout for 30 to 45 minutes. The results are in! http://www.precisionnutrition.com/8-wks-cosgrove-jb-results
Overall it was a successful experience with 54 participants losing over 165 pounds collectively. These were not typical out of shape couch potatoes but experienced exercisers already in good shape. For this group of people to drop weight it takes good programming and hard work. In addition, everyone improved in physical performance tests. Congrats to the participants, Alwyn, John and Fraser!
While there were not “significant” differences in weight loss and performance across the groups I do notice some “substantive” findings. The TRX group demonstrated similar improvements in the strength measures, which is as expected. What may be surprising to some (not to TRX users) is the fact the TRX group demonstrated similar improvements in running performance (Tmax and Vmax tests) as both the interval training and steady state groups. Keep in mind, two additional days a week for eight weeks the interval and steady state groups trained on the treadmill and the TRX group did not. From a metabolic and work capacity standpoint the TRX training was just as effective as the sport-specific skill, running in this case, without subjecting the participants to the pounding and potential overuse injury risk! What a great case for effective cross training.
These results have already started a stir in the popular media as the interval training versus steady state conditioning advocates defend their turf. The take home message here is TRX Suspension Training is an effective part of any training program. You will continue to see Suspension Training being studied and dissected by academics, clinicians, coaches and trainers. Fitness Anywhere will continue to lead the charge to determine the related science and best practices that maximize TRX Suspension Training. We will continue to deliver products, exercises and programming to help you to reach your potential and “make your body your machine!”
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sure. Then it's only the question, if a 150lbs couch potato is in a caloric deficit when eating ice cream all day.
Sorry but that doesn't make any sense, I never said anything like that.
And I couldn't see any connection between the article and this thread, please explain.
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Sorry but that doesn't make any sense, I never said anything like that.
i know, but that was what TA said in the beginning. You can eat Pizza and McD all day long, because a calorie is a calorie.
Sure you can, but that means you can eat ONE Pizza for the whole day, or one BigMac menue.
You'll end up looking like MJ.
As long as you have a caloric deficit, you will lose weight, where's the problem with that? Ask any model in the world, she will confirm it.
Maybe you can add orange juice drenched cotton balls to your diet to fill you up better.
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Hey, this is great and all, but I don't like living my life on a constant calorie deficit. I like to really enjoy life, ya know. It's waaaaay too
easy enjoyable. :)
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i know, but that was what TA said in the beginning. You can eat Pizza and McD all day long, because a calorie is a calorie.
Sure you can, but that means you can eat ONE Pizza for the whole day, or one BigMac menue.
You'll end up looking like MJ.
As long as you have a caloric deficit, you will lose weight, where's the problem with that? Ask any model in the world, she will confirm it.
Maybe you can add orange juice drenched cotton balls to your diet to fill you up better.
If Adonis said something like that, without taking protein and overall calories into account, it's wrong, no doubt about it. That's not what I saw in his posts. I don't know his complete posting history though.
And again, I was never talking about the obvious rule of losing weight in a deficit, I have no idea why you come up with the same argument all the time. I am always talking about optimal or at least close to optimal body composition. On a bodybuilding forum that should go without saying.
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Hey, this is great and all, but I don't like living my life on a constant calorie deficit. I like to really enjoy life, ya know. It's waaaaay too easy enjoyable. :)
The rules are exactly the same for bulking or recompositioning, you only need to up calories.
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If Adonis said something like that, without taking protein and overall calories into account, it's wrong, no doubt about it. That's not what I saw in his posts. I don't know his complete posting history though.
And again, I was never talking about the obvious rule of losing weight in a deficit, I have no idea why you come up with the same argument all the time. I am always talking about optimal or at least close to optimal body composition. On a bodybuilding forum that should go without saying.
okay, you obviously look great, and you have success with what you do.
it's getting old, so i will stop arguing.
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okay, you obviously look great, and you have success with what you do. it's getting old, so i will stop arguing.
That's because you don't have an argument. ;D
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That's because you don't have an argument. ;D
no because you twist ahit without answering directly
" your moronic response will be : PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE I DIDN'T ANSWER DIRECTLY " ETC
fuck off schaisse
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(http://i30.tinypic.com/suvdsi.jpg)
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no because you twist ahit without answering directly
" your moronic response will be : PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE I DIDN'T ANSWER DIRECTLY " ETC
fuck off schaisse
Again you are suggesting you got absolutely shredded on that and again I am calling you out as a big fucking liar ...
You are suggesting me that you go from pudgy to THAT eating restaurant food and icecream and THAT absolutely insults my intelligence.
I think you are full of shit and trying to be special, no cardio, shitty genetics (no offence), no fatburners, no t3, regular meals laced with fat and sugar.
The best genetics plus drugs do cardio and diet hard to get where you got while you do it without drugs cardio WITH shitty genetics and regular food.
Anyone with half a brain will laugh at you, you either diet harsh and you lie here to make it seem different, or you do eat like you do indeed but use t3 and eca or/and clen/albuterol.
Either way you are full of shit and I am calling you out.
'Alan Aragon has over 15 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine, where he has a monthly column called "Ask The Weight Loss Coach".'
A question for Alan Aragon, if you have a few minutes to spare. I'm again being accused of lying about my diet resp. having taken "t3 and eca or/and clen/albuterol".
The argument is that my "regular meals laced with fat and sugar" and my "****ty genetics" without drugs and cardio can never get me into the condition displayed in the pics.
"Burning fat naturally without drugs or cardio while ingesting fat, sugars, starches and hydrogenated oils" is allegedly impossible.
The conclusion finally is that "anyone with half a brain will laugh at me" for my claims of doing it the way I have described.
Since I assume you are someone with at least half a brain, I would like you to comment on these points, maybe with a little scientific background and/or experience you have with some of your clients.
Do people really give you sh!t about your results because they weren't achieved with clean foods? That's funny, especially considering that people don't realize that "clean" is a subjective term. One thing to remember is that most people simply do not have a fundamental understanding of human physiology. Did you eat at a caloric deficit? Yes. Did your protein intake and training regimen support LBM retention or at least minimize LBM loss? Yes...... I honestly don't see what's so fcking difficult for naysayers to understand about that.
At my absolute leanest, I ate a pint of hagen daaz every single night right before bed. I also did not have a car at the time, so I biked to school & work. I was running a caloric defricit, so I got lean. The people who give you sh!t are the same brotards who will spend $$$$ on completely useless supps, so we can laugh at them together.
;)
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no because you twist ahit without answering directly
" your moronic response will be : PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE I DIDN'T ANSWER DIRECTLY " ETC
fuck off schaisse
And I answered every question directly and to the point.
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I don't laugh at TA because of this or anything else; I don't like him because he is a know-it-all, loafing prick who is drowning in self-righteousness.
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That's because you don't have an argument. ;D
no.
I don't laugh at TA because of this or anything else; I don't like him because he is a know-it-all, loafing prick who is drowning in self-righteousness.
very good, 100% spot on.
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no.
You haven't presented one in this thread at least not one that is related to the topic at hand.
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did the picture of hitler shows up guys?
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And I answered every question directly and to the point.
no ... you copypasted the same boring shit
BTW : your boy u use as a refference is aliar and poser and like you tries to set himself apart vie wrapping the same old stinky shit in new tinfoil
here's my oopinnion of you adonis and the so called scientific studies you both adore to quote ( and you try to add validity to your stupid shit by associating it with such and such )
(http://bristle.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/shit003ozs6e5.jpg)
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Hey, this is great and all, but I don't like living my life on a constant calorie deficit. I like to really enjoy life, ya know. It's waaaaay too easy enjoyable. :)
Because you're a lowlife, knuckle dragging, libertine, simian bastard...
;)
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Great way of arguing as always. ;D
Did you even read the stuff I posted numerous times even once until now Sev?
It doesn't look like you did.
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(http://i30.tinypic.com/suvdsi.jpg)
Man had a great smile.
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man fuck this shit....who is this genius alchemist nutritionist adonis??? he fuckin knows a lot of big words and most probably researches before he posts, but to be honest, i have NEVER really found a concise reading of his PRINCIPLES.....i have seen his pics and why the fuck are the befores more impressive than the afters?
he loses like 20lbs of fat and 15lbs of muscle...and looks like a fucking keebler elf? we got a meth head at our gym that buys a lot of protein and does the same thing???
a calorie is a calorie...ill give you that.....BUT, a calorie of protein vs a calorie of ice cream will have a definant effect on a physique.....i thought the idea was to loose fat....but maybe im old school and out of the "intellectual" loop!
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Great way of arguing as always. ;D
Did you even read the stuff I posted numerous times even once until now Sev?
It doesn't look like you did.
I'm very aware of ALL your posts in DETAIL
even the intelligence shit ::)
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BTW : your boy u use as a refference is aliar and poser and like you tries to set himself apart vie wrapping the same old stinky shit in new tinfoil
LOL, you think you know more about nutrition than this guy?
'Alan Aragon has over 15 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine, where he has a monthly column called "Ask The Weight Loss Coach".'
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LOL, you think you know more about nutrition than this guy?
'Alan Aragon has over 15 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine, where he has a monthly column called "Ask The Weight Loss Coach".'
Are you a smut peddler, wave? :P
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Are you a smut peddler, wave? :P
what's that?
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LOL, you think you know more about nutrition than this guy?
'Alan Aragon has over 15 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine, where he has a monthly column called "Ask The Weight Loss Coach".'
I have 15 years of expirience in the field
myself as well as with others
my clients ranged from housewives to pro athletes : soccer players, NFL ( Eric Stocz ), NBA ( Zeljko Rebraca ), marathon runners and triathletes ( Tim Watson )
fuck off with your genius Aaron ::)
oh yeah : I REFUSE TO GET A CERTIFICATION AS I RARELY AGREE WITH THE INFO THEY REQUIRE YOU TO LEARN TO GET TESTED
I also am very familiar with human genetics as in the HUMAN SPECIES pertaining to our TRUE GENETIC MAKEUP and it's implications
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Man had a great smile.
and a vision.
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LOL, you think you know more about nutrition than this guy?
'Alan Aragon has over 15 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine, where he has a monthly column called "Ask The Weight Loss Coach".'
alan used to really knw what he was talking about,....but unfortunantly a divorce and lawsuit have made him a "mainstream puppet pansy"....say what you gotta to support the man...and yeah....i would be more than happy to put my meager 'publications" against his....LOL.....call me alan....
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Creating a calorie deficit with 16miles biking ed is really hard, i guess?
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what's that?
Nevermind. It was a joke. :-\
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thougt we were talking about apenis anyway?
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I have 15 years of expirience in the field
myself as well as with others
my clients ranged from housewives to pro athletes : soccer players, NFL ( Eric Stocz ), NBA ( Zeljko Rebraca ), marathon runners and triathletes ( Tim Watson )
fuck off with your genius Aaron ::)
Many people have great success with more restricted methods, that doesn't mean all restrictions are necessary.
I would rather listen to people who at least have a scientific background, not only anecdotal evidence behind their methods.
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Creating a calorie deficit with 16miles biking ed is really hard, i guess?
exactly
I'll have you eat at micky d's twice a day and bike 16 miles daily and you'd still be starving lol
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and a vision.
You are a true Aryan Mars and his legacy, blonde, blue eyes, tall with a vision...
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Many people have great success with more restricted methods, that doesn't mean all restrictions are necessary.
I would rather listen to people who at least have a scientific background, not only anecdotal evidence behind their methods.
anecdotal evidence ?
why would anyone hire me over all these years if I was shit ?
I never advertised either : all reference
you are dumber than previously established
you should def go fuck yourself :D
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exactly
I'll have you eat at micky d's twice a day and bike 16 miles daily and you'd still be starving lol
shit...i wolud HAVE to eat 9 big macs a day to gain anything riding that many miles....lol...wtf?
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exactly
I'll have you eat at micky d's twice a day and bike 16 miles daily and you'd still be starving lol
imagine you'd also add some "supplements" to that. ;D ;D
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Many people have great success with more restricted methods, that doesn't mean all restrictions are necessary.
I would rather listen to people who at least have a scientific background, not only anecdotal evidence behind their methods.
But be honest, as far as execution is concerned. Counting calories, being more restrictive is easier as far as execution is concerned whereas in your case you need months to figure out how much you can eat at your buffets and what have you; traditional diets are easier.
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imagine you'd also add some "supplements" to that. ;D ;D
bullsit
wavelength doesn't even know how to spell ECA
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shit...i wolud HAVE to eat 9 big macs a day to gain anything riding that many miles....lol...wtf?
Don't forget, he was doing NO cardio at all, those miles are irrelevant for fat burning. ::) ::)
bullsit
wavelength doesn't even know how to spell ECA
Wavelength not, but maybe his "guru". ;D
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Don't forget, he was doing NO cardio at all, those miles are irrelevant for fat burning. ::) ::)
Wavelength not, but maybe his "guru". ;D
wrong
even without those miles his answer would still be the same ::)
his guru has even crappier genes than him and lies even more
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uhhh...me thinkest apenis spent all his money on cheap wine and could not afford any protein or fat....so cardio was irrelevant,thus why he went from 150lb of muscle to 120 and lookin like a elf swimmer??
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anecdotal evidence ?
why would anyone hire me over all these years if I was shit ?
I never advertised either : all reference
you are dumber than previously established
you should def go fuck yourself :D
Why do you always have to resort to insults? I'm not offended but it's rather annoying.
And yes, experience with clients is anectodal evidence.
I never said you were "shit". I'm sure you had great success with your clients, as many others have with different methods, applying other restrictions. Example: keto diets vs. low fat diets.
Your statments regarding the impossibility of fat loss on foods that contain sugar, starches, and certain kinds of fats are simply wrong.
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wrong
even without those miles his answer would still be the same ::)
his guru has even crappier genes than him and lies even more
lol, that's harsh.
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uhhh...me thinkest apenis spent all his money on cheap wine and could not afford any protein or fat....so cardio was irrelevant,thus why he went from 150lb of muscle to 120 and lookin like a elf swimmer??
Do you like taco bell?
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Do you like taco bell?
a lil....heheh
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Don't forget, he was doing NO cardio at all, those miles are irrelevant for fat burning. ::) ::)
Wavelength not, but maybe his "guru". ;D
Alan never said he wasn't doing any cardio in his little example.
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wavelength doesn't even know how to spell ECA
I never took a fat burner in my life, couldn't care less if you believe me or not. I did exactly what I said I did and if you did the same thing, you would get ripped just as well.
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Alan never said he wasn't doing any cardio in his little example.
alans experimental sample still has a lot of holes.....it may have worked for a few, but thats not indicitive of a population....better than nothing i guess??
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Alan never said he wasn't doing any cardio in his little example.
Please address my execution point Sir Wave.
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and still i thought we were gonna hack apenis diet method of ultimate rippededness??? lol....fuckin hack... ::)
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alans experimental sample still has a lot of holes.....it may have worked for a few, but thats not indicitive of a population....better than nothing i guess??
It was just a little example to make a point. He has tons of experience and constantly reviews scientific studies on nutrition. He is probably one of the most knowledgable people out there when it comes to nutrition.
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Alan never said he wasn't doing any cardio in his little example.
anecdotal ?
you said I have no credibility compared to your boy
I think I have
I did diet for bb shows and that's a great learning tool
I helped others do the same
I trained athletes with totally diff regimens
do you know what it takes for a marathon runner or triathlete to stay hydrated and glyco loaded ?
etc etc
gimme a fucking break .. you tring to discredit me is hillarious
you aparently are a 35 yo austrian who never bodybuilded and get's to 5 % bodyfat naturally without cardio, with sugars and fats and hydrogenated oils and no fatburners t3 etc
and fat loss is one thing, and getting cut at 5 % is a totally diff ballgame my friend
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It was just a little example to make a point. He has tons of experience and constantly reviews scientific studies on nutrition. He is probably one of the most knowledgable people out there when it comes to nutrition.
sais who ? you ? :D
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... I think this deserves special attention. I asked one of the world's leading nutritionists about my method of getting ripped using the simple rules of protein intake, rate of weight loss, and anaerobic training while eating "junk" food, drinking alcohol, doing no cardio, using candy and icecream for carbing up, not caring about fat/carb ratio, not caring about GI, not using any supplements other than whey for convenience, not caring about meal frequency. This is what he had to say:
And here is a little background info on Alan: 'Alan Aragon has over 15 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine, where he has a monthly column called "Ask The Weight Loss Coach".'
Lets check with Debussey on his recommendation ;D
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It was just a little example to make a point. He has tons of experience and constantly reviews scientific studies on nutrition. He is probably one of the most knowledgable people out there when it comes to nutrition.
uhhh...NO....he likes to regurgetate things he reads....so what?? ive seen him argue what someone else writes or thinks to the death......BUT i dont see much of him being an intellect and coming to his own conclusions.....
smart people repeat and defend.....intellegent people offer and explain....
feel me?
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anecdotal ?
you said I have no credibility compared to your boy
I think I have
I did diet for bb shows and that's a great learning tool
I helped others do the same
I trained athletes with totally diff regimens
do you know what it takes for a marathon runner or triathlete to stay hydrated and glyco loaded ?
etc etc
gimme a fucking break .. you tring to discredit me is hillarious
you aparently are a 35 yo austrian who never bodybuilded and get's to 5 % bodyfat naturally without cardio, with sugars and fats and hydrogenated oils and no fatburners t3 etc
and fat loss is one thing, and getting cut at 5 % is a totally diff ballgame my friend
i doubt you'll get a reliable answer on this....
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uhhh...NO....he likes to regurgetate things he reads....so what?? ive seen him argue what someone else writes or thinks to the death......BUT i dont see much of him being an intellect and coming to his own conclusions.....
smart people repeat and defend.....intellegent people offer and explain....
feel me?
Hmm...logically why would wavelength's method be impossible if he has a deficit, enough protein and nutrients?
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i doubt you'll get a reliable answer on this....
you know
I agree on fatloss with that method
but getting fucking ripped cometition condition on it ???????????
gimme a fucking break
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Hmm...logically why would wavelength's method be impossible if he has a deficit, enough protein and nutrients?
because a deficit does not create the necessary anabolic enviroment for each and every individual......thats the catch...its individual....some of my clients can and need 400 carbs a day and some dont.....yet each reaches contest shape?? so deficit and protein dont necessarily equat to a proper anabolic condition/.....
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you know
I agree on fatloss with that method
but getting fucking ripped cometition condition on it ???????????
gimme a fucking break
i totally agree with you.
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anecdotal ?
you said I have no credibility compared to your boy
I think I have
I did diet for bb shows and that's a great learning tool
I helped others do the same
I trained athletes with totally diff regimens
do you know what it takes for a marathon runner or triathlete to stay hydrated and glyco loaded ?
etc etc
gimme a fucking break .. you tring to discredit me is hillarious
you aparently are a 35 yo austrian who never bodybuilded and get's to 5 % bodyfat naturally without cardio, with sugars and fats and hydrogenated oils and no fatburners t3 etc
and fat loss is one thing, and getting cut at 5 % is a totally diff ballgame my friend
Again, experience with clients is anectodal evidence. Doesn't mean it's useless but it's not scientific evidence unless performed under the rules of scientific studies. Too many unknown variables. The methods may be optimal for the target at hand and still impose unnecessary restrictions.
I never said you had no credibility, you said that about me: "Anyone with half a brain will laugh at you".
I never claimed that I have knowledge on endurance training, you most probably know more about that than me.
I wasn't anywhere close to 5% bodyfat, have you seen my legs and arms?
Regarding the difference between losing fat and getting ripped, your argument was about losing fat, you didn't say anything about contest condition:
u joking right?
burning fat naturally without drugs or cardio while ingesting fat, sugars, starches and hydrogenated oils
ok ::)
You said that anyone who knows anything about nutrition would say that I can never get to the condition displayed in the pics using the method I have described. I presented the statments of three of the most respected nutritionists in the field who all agreed that it is possible. You may still believe they are all liars and posers like me of course.
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Again, experience with clients is anectodal evidence. Doesn't mean it's useless but it's not scientific evidence unless performed under the rules of scientific studies. Too many unknown variables. The methods may be optimal for the target at hand and still impose unnecessary restrictions.
I never said you had no credibility, you said that about me: "Anyone with half a brain will laugh at you".
I never claimed that I have knowledge on endurance training, you most probably know more about that than me.
I wasn't anywhere close to 5% bodyfat, have you seen my legs and arms?
Regarding the difference between losing fat and getting ripped, your argument was about losing fat, you didn't say anything about contest condition:
You said that anyone who knows anything about nutrition would say that I can never get to the condition displayed in the pics using the method I have described. I presented the statments of three of the most respected nutritionists in the field who all agreed that it is possible. You may still believe they are all liars and posers like me of course.
you know ..
maybe I shoud give it atry and see how ripped I can get
If I get as ripped as you I'll publicly apologize to you and will forget my past 18 years in the gym
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i totally agree with you.
Lot of love in this thread.
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because a deficit does not create the necessary anabolic enviroment for each and every individual......thats the catch...its individual....some of my clients can and need 400 carbs a day and some dont.....yet each reaches contest shape?? so deficit and protein dont necessarily equat to a proper anabolic condition/.....
Well in a deficit everybody must lose weight. At some point, body composition will suffer of course, meaning the ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss will deteriorate. The question is what is essential for keeping that deterioration at bay.
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Lot of love in this thread.
Team Love on the rise again! :o :o :o
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Well in a deficit everybody must lose weight. At some point, body composition will suffer of course, meaning the ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss will deteriorate. The question is what is essential for keeping that deterioration at bay.
If nothing else, you have created love between DK and Sev. Well done.
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when I diet as anyone who ever done it knows , the body adapts quicly on a deficit , metabolism shuts down and you need to jumpstart it again
that's why we cycle carbs and reload with glycogen
even keto diets do the same
you don't ...how the fuck do you do it then ? your metabolism steadily burns the fat ? ::)
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where that cracker nig adonis?? i NEVER post yet i would love to pick his community college, supermarket sacker brain???
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where that cracker nig adonis?? i NEVER post yet i would love to pick his community college, supermarket sacker brain???
Recently TA claimed he either went to Duke or UNC Chapel Hill....
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you know ..
maybe I shoud give it atry and see how ripped I can get
If I get as ripped as you I'll publicly apologize to you and will forget my past 18 years in the gym
Exactly, that's what I proposed already in the other thread. I will announce again here that I will delete my account on getbig if you:
- eat enough protein (1g / lb of LBM),
- perform intense weight training at least 3 times a week, all major muscle groups involved,
- get your basic nutrition (micros, EFAs, etc.),
- above that eat whatever you want,
- but adjust your total intake so that you lose weight (e.g. 1lb / week),
and don't get ripped without any legal or illegal supplements. I will stop posting on Getbig if you don't get ripped doing that for long enough. For the last week, I got rid of the water by means of sodium restriction, as explained in the other thread, so that would be the finishing touch.
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Recently TA claimed he either went to Duke or UNC Chapel Hill....
how about I'll put you on a diet, training cardio and fatburners ?
waddayasay ?
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Exactly, that's what I proposed already in the other thread. I will announce again here that I will delete my account on getbig if you:
- eat enough protein (1g / lb of LBM),
- perform intense weight training at least 3 times a week, all major muscle groups involved,
- get your basic nutrition (micros, EFAs, etc.),
- above that eat whatever you want,
- but adjust your total intake so that you lose weight (e.g. 1lb / week),
and don't get ripped without any legal or illegal supplements. I will stop posting on Getbig if you don't get ripped doing that for long enough. For the last week, I got rid of the water by means of sodium restriction, as explained in the other thread, so that would be the finishing touch.
cool
still avoiding an answer
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU DO WHAEN YOU STAGNATE AND METABOLISM SHUTS DOWN ???????????????
reduce calories even more ? starve ?
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how about I'll put you on a diet, training cardio and fatburners ?
waddayasay ?
No fatburners for me. Too old. When I was younger, I tried really strong ephedra. I didn't feel good at all.
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Well in a deficit everybody must lose weight. At some point, body composition will suffer of course, meaning the ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss will deteriorate. The question is what is essential for keeping that deterioration at bay.
would be nice but no....cuz the body, and metabolism will adjust...so defecit is just a portion of the key..
the real key is to keep metabolism hight while caloric intake is low....true dieting is a balance of intake and manipulation of metabolism.........make the body think your eating all the time.....key is to know when the metabolism is slowing and take proper action..//....
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They will learn one day.
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still avoiding an answer
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU DO WHAEN YOU STAGNATE AND METABOLISM SHUTS DOWN ???????????????
reduce calories even more ? starve ?
Metabolism slows down somewhat in a deficit, but regardless of eating patterns. There are no controlled scientific studies whatsoever (I know of) showing that it would "shut down" (unless in extreme situations). When weight loss stalls, it's because maintenance has been reached again (due to weight loss) and calories must be reduced again.
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still avoiding an answer
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU DO WHAEN YOU STAGNATE AND METABOLISM SHUTS DOWN ???????????????
reduce calories even more ? starve ?
brother failurecon rev sev. we have to be in starvation mode 4 ever to be 4 ever ripped
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They will learn one day.
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2lktaiw.jpg)
So you went to Duke?
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would be nice but no....cuz the body, and metabolism will adjust...so defecit is just a portion of the key..
the real key is to keep metabolism hight while caloric intake is low....true dieting is a balance of intake and manipulation of metabolism.........make the body think your eating all the time.....key is to know when the metabolism is slowing and take proper action..//....
The definition of "deficit" takes the slowdown of metabolism into account. In a deficit, you will lose weight.
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They will learn one day.
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dude but you still look like 2/3 of the beer drinking, pro hormone taking, frat daddys at our college.....?? so really....whats your point??? whats your PRINCIPLE....and how does it apply to REAL bodybuilding??
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The definition of "deficit" takes the slowdown of metabolism into account. In a deficit, you will lose weight.
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Metabolism slows down somewhat in a deficit, but regardless of eating patterns. There are no controlled scientific studies whatsoever (I know of) showing that it would "shut down" (unless in extreme situations). When weight loss stalls, it's because maintenance has been reached again (due to weight loss) and calories must be reduced again.
no scientific studies ???????????
mutherfucker
my metab shuts down ....everyone I worked with has the same "problem"
read what liltacobell wrote above cause he put it real nice ;)
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would be nice but no....cuz the body, and metabolism will adjust...so defecit is just a portion of the key..
the real key is to keep metabolism hight while caloric intake is low....true dieting is a balance of intake and manipulation of metabolism.........make the body think your eating all the time.....key is to know when the metabolism is slowing and take proper action..//....
My Macros change on a daily basis.
For instance, yesterday I baked Peppermint Chocolate Cookies and made Italian Sausage Pizza with Fontina cheese, Mozzarella, Parmesan, Basil, Tomatoes. We fermented the crust for 36 hours. I also had some Greek Yogurt with Raspberries.
I have no clue what the Macros are nor do I worry.
Today, I will have totally different Macros depending on whatever I cook or decide to pick up. My macros always change.
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My Macros change on a daily basis.
For instance, yesterday I baked Peppermint Chocolate Cookies and made Italian Sausage Pizza with Fontina cheese, Mozzarella, Parmesan, Basil, Tomatoes. We fermented the crust for 36 hours. I also had some Greek Yogurt with Raspberries.
I have no clue what the Macros are nor do I worry.
Today, I will have totally different Macros depending on whatever I cook or decide to pick up. My macros always change.
You should consider yourself very fortunate that someone pays for your entire life.
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Metabolism slows down somewhat in a deficit, but regardless of eating patterns. There are no controlled scientific studies whatsoever (I know of) showing that it would "shut down" (unless in extreme situations). When weight loss stalls, it's because maintenance has been reached again (due to weight loss) and calories must be reduced again.
:D
so I reduce even more ?
well
let's say I burn fat at 2200 cals ..it shuts down I go to 2000 maybe ...it shut's down again, I go to 1800
after 2 months what the fuck do I do ?
survive on 1500 cals ???????????????????????????
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dude but you still look like 2/3 of the beer drinking, pro hormone taking, frat daddys at our college.....?? so really....whats your point??? whats your PRINCIPLE....and how does it apply to REAL bodybuilding??
I am 5`11 and 178 or so there. Sure I am not a monster, nor would I like to be. I am also lifetime Natural and think I am within the bounds of a great weight for a natural.
Naturals at my height and leanness are never over 200 lbs you know.
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The definition of "deficit" takes the slowdown of metabolism into account. In a deficit, you will lose weight.
yeah....metabolism adjusts...taht was my point....but at .what point does the defecit elicit mucle loss?? at what point does your defecit not provide an adequate balance between muscle preservation and fat loss....keep in mind we dont all want to look like adonis....and lose 20lbs of muscle to get half assed ripped....drugs or not...!!!!
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no scientific studies ???????????
mutherfucker
my metab shuts down ....everyone I worked with has the same "problem"
read what liltacobell wrote above cause he put it real nice ;)
I read what he posted and responded.
What exactly do you mean by shut down? How did you determine that? What exactly did you do?
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My Macros change on a daily basis.
For instance, yesterday I baked Peppermint Chocolate Cookies and made Italian Sausage Pizza with Fontina cheese, Mozzarella, Parmesan, Basil, Tomatoes. We fermented the crust for 36 hours. I also had some Greek Yogurt with Raspberries.
I have no clue what the Macros are nor do I worry.
Today, I will have totally different Macros depending on whatever I cook or decide to pick up. My macros always change.
so you don't count calories but you "KNOW" you are running in a deficit lool
FUCKING TEACH ME BRO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF I PUT MY CLIENTS ON PIZZA AND ICECREAM I'LL BE THE RICHEST FUCKING NUTRITIONIST WHO EVER LIVED :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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I am 5`11 and 178 or so there. Sure I am not a monster, nor would I like to be. I am also lifetime Natural and think I am within the bounds of a great weight for a natural.
Naturals at my height and leanness are never over 200 lbs you know.
You are a professionaler loafer and moocher. Does your wife have a sugar daddy/mommy as well?
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so you don't count calories but you "KNOW" you are running in a deficit lool
FUCKING TEACH ME BRO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF I PUT MY CLIENTS ON PIZZA AND ICECREAM I'LL BE THE RICHEST FUCKING NUTRITIONIST WHO EVER LIVED :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
I eat 2000 calories 6 days a week. 1 day a week I do not count whatsoever and probably get 5000-10000 at times. Easy to do when you bake so many yummies!
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I read what he posted and responded.
What exactly do you mean by shut down? How did you determine that? What exactly did you do?
YOU STOP BURNING FAT !
your body doensn't know you diet...he only knows he's getting little food..so he goes into starvation mode
starts holding on to fat in order to be able to eat itself when it starves or there's no food
defense mechanism
all my life I thought that in order to burn fat you gotta run a glycogen deficit in order to trick the body into using subcutaneous fat as fuel for cardio and workouts
when it shuts down, reload with carbs and glycogen , it starts the metab again and so on ...
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so you don't count calories but you "KNOW" you are running in a deficit lool
FUCKING TEACH ME BRO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF I PUT MY CLIENTS ON PIZZA AND ICECREAM I'LL BE THE RICHEST FUCKING NUTRITIONIST WHO EVER LIVED :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
So THATs how TA got so rich! ;D ;D
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:D
so I reduce even more ?
well
let's say I burn fat at 2200 cals ..it shuts down I go to 2000 maybe ...it shut's down again, I go to 1800
after 2 months what the fuck do I do ?
survive on 1500 cals ???????????????????????????
Here's the method: stay at a certain deficit for at least 4 weeks. If weight loss stalls in those complete 4 weeks, slightly reduce. With this method, I only had to adjust one single time on my last diet.
As I said, controlled studies show a pretty constant rate of weight loss on a certain deficit until maintenance is reached again.
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So THATs how TA got so rich! ;D ;D
can you imagine when word gets around town that Sebastian is running diets with pizza gourmet food and icecream ?
I'll hire 10 secretaries to deal with mile long lines of people hahahahahahaha
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My Macros change on a daily basis.
For instance, yesterday I baked Peppermint Chocolate Cookies and made Italian Sausage Pizza with Fontina cheese, Mozzarella, Parmesan, Basil, Tomatoes. We fermented the crust for 36 hours. I also had some Greek Yogurt with Raspberries.
I have no clue what the Macros are nor do I worry.
Today, I will have totally different Macros depending on whatever I cook or decide to pick up. My macros always change.
what diff does it make what type of cheese or how long you fermeted you crust?? seriously...my point is you always pretty much look the same...?? i wont lie i eat pretty bad and still stay in shape, but what does your mossarellam, basil, tomatoe or fermentation have to do with anything?
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YOU STOP BURNING FAT !
your body doensn't know you diet...he only knows he's getting little food..so he goes into starvation mode
starts holding on to fat in order to be able to eat itself when it starves or there's no food
defense mechanism
all my life I thought that in order to burn fat you gotta run a glycogen deficit in order to trick the body into using subcutaneous fat as fuel for cardio and workouts
when it shuts down, reload with carbs and glycogen , it starts the metab again and so on ...
The body doesn't go into "starvation mode" on a small deficit that provides rates of weight loss of about 1-2 lbs / week.
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Here's the method: stay at a certain deficit for at least 4 weeks. If weight loss stalls in those complete 4 weeks, slightly reduce. With this method, I only had to adjust one single time on my last diet.
As I said, controlled studies show a pretty constant rate of weight loss on a certain deficit until maintenance is reached again.
my fucking study on myself and hundred of clients and athletes show otherwise
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so you don't count calories but you "KNOW" you are running in a deficit lool
FUCKING TEACH ME BRO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF I PUT MY CLIENTS ON PIZZA AND ICECREAM I'LL BE THE RICHEST FUCKING NUTRITIONIST WHO EVER LIVED :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Actually you wouldn`t. If they had any sense in the first place, once they realize that they can eat whatever they want with no confusion or gimmickry, they will forget you ever existed.
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The body doesn't go into "starvation mode" on a small deficit that provides rates of weight loss of about 1-2 lbs / week.
well maybe I'm fucked up and so are my clients and you and adonis are fucking human fatburning machines lol
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what diff does it make what type of cheese or how long you fermeted you crust?? seriously...my point is you always pretty much look the same...?? i wont lie i eat pretty bad and still stay in shape, but what does your mossarellam, basil, tomatoe or fermentation have to do with anything?
TA is Duke graduate with unlimited funds. 8)
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what diff does it make what type of cheese or how long you fermeted you crust?? seriously...my point is you always pretty much look the same...?? i wont lie i eat pretty bad and still stay in shape, but what does your mossarellam, basil, tomatoe or fermentation have to do with anything?
Points to the direction that my Macros vary on a constant basis and I pay no caution to them whatsoever.
If I were to use say, Feta Cheese on a crust that did not ferment so long, the entire composition of the Pizza would be entirely different. Protein, fat, carbs as well as taste!
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Actually you wouldn`t. If they had any sense in the first place, once they realize that they can eat whatever they want with no confusion or gimmickry, they will forget you ever existed.
how can you be both stupid AND arogant ?
it's a tough combo honestly
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my fucking study on myself and hundred of clients and athletes show otherwise
That's fine but no prove that it's the only method that works. Mine obviously works too (if we for once assume I'm not a liar). I repeat my challenge to each and every getbigger:
I will delete my account if you follow the described rules and do not get ripped.
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Here's the method: stay at a certain deficit for at least 4 weeks. If weight loss stalls in those complete 4 weeks, slightly reduce. With this method, I only had to adjust one single time on my last diet.
As I said, controlled studies show a pretty constant rate of weight loss on a certain deficit until maintenance is reached again.
What do you do after let's say 12 weeks? Reduce even more? You'll end up starving yourself to death, there's no fucking way you can train right and also not lose muscle by reducing your calories every few weeks.
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how can you be both stupid AND arogant ?
it's a tough combo honestly
Sebastian, i never thought i could have the same opinion as you, but today you speak right out of my heart.
Team Love approved.
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What do you do after let's say 12 weeks? Reduce even more? You'll end up starving yourself to death, there's no fucking way you can train right and also not lose muscle by reducing your calories every few weeks.
maybe wavelength is special cause I would fucking die on 1500 clories ...under 2000 is starvation central
but maybe he used to be a touareg in a diff life
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TA=Duke Graduate with unlimited cash 8)
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Sebastian, i never thought i could have the same opinion as you, but today you speak right out of my heart.
Team Love approved.
don't hold your breath
I'm on roids so I rage a lot :D
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Points to the direction that my Macros vary on a constant basis and I pay no caution to them whatsoever.
If I were to use say, Feta Cheese on a crust that did not ferment so long, the entire composition of the Pizza would be entirely different. Protein, fat, carbs as well as taste!
uhhh...ok dickhead, but just previously you were talking about a certain caloric intake per week day vs week end....that has nothing to do macro....just as your post said....you were at a certain caloric intake?? dont matter if you eat feta or gouda or bobchickarilla....ass fuck!
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maybe wavelength is special cause I would fucking die on 1500 clories ...under 2000 is starvation central
but maybe he used to be a touareg in a diff life
his "2 whey shakes then chinese buffet"-diet would send me to the hospital in less than a week.
i can't see how he defends this diet so hard, even if it works for fatloss in the first few weeks, no one can live on whey shakes and only ONE solid meal per day.
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I think we all understand the concept, but how you are saying it is deceiving. As long as you stay in a caloric deficit AND have 1 gram of protein per pound, you can eat whatever you want. To stay in a caloric deficit without any cardio, what you can eat then becomes limited.
TA saying he eats cookies and pizza is probably not false, but he is eat 1 cookie or 1 slice of pizza. It is not like he is eating the whole pizza or a dozen cookies.
Regardless, you still have to watch what you eat and you will still be hungry in order to lower your bodyfat.
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how can you be both stupid AND arogant ?
it's a tough combo honestly
Its easy if you try. I hope one day you can join us and the world will be as one.
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What do you do after let's say 12 weeks? Reduce even more? You'll end up starving yourself to death, there's no fucking way you can train right and also not lose muscle by reducing your calories every few weeks.
You don't have to do that. I only had to reduce once for my previous diet.
People overreact when weight loss stalls for one or two weeks. Especially when the initial loss of water weight stops.
Or they simply eat more than they thought in the first place.
You must create a deficit in any case.
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don't hold your breath
I'm on roids so I rage a lot :D
i'm sick of the fighting, you can rage as much as you want though. ;D
Its easy if you try. I hope one day you can join us and the world will be as one.
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You don't have to do that. I only had to reduce once for my previous diet.
People overreact when weight loss stalls for one or two weeks. Especially when the initial loss of water weight stops.
Or they simply eat more than they thought in the first place.
You must create a deficit in any case.
by biking 16 miles ed for example? It also works your heart and legs, very healthy. Much healthier than chinese buffet, for instance.
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his "2 whey shakes then chinese buffet"-diet would send me to the hospital in less than a week.
i can't see how he defends this diet so hard, even if it works for fatloss in the first few weeks, no one can live on whey shakes and only ONE solid meal per day.
Of course you can, the body adapts quickly. But that is also not the point of my method. You can just as well split your meals in any way you want. It's a convenience factor, nothing else. What is most convenient for me will probably not be for you.
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Its easy if you try. I hope one day you can join us and the world will be as one.
sorry fella
I could never be sTupid AND arogant
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by biking 16 miles ed for example? It also works your heart and legs, very healthy. Much healthier than chinese buffet, for instance.
Of course, cardio has benefits and there is no reason not to do it if you want to reap those benefits. However it is not the topic at hand.
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i'm sick of the fighting, you can rage as much as you want though. ;D
you are tired cause I'm wearing you down slouly
my methods are slow and insidious like the reptilians
becaouse they don't change over eons of time they might ponder a move for 2000 years .... never brutal although they are THE MOST brutal
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im still trying to understant his genius princeples......wtf.....??? eat anything you want.....so long as its within a certain caloric range or not.....?? sure ok....be more clear son!! and make those of us who are following biochemical pathways and loops, a more learned species??? i know how metabolism works and how the pathways adapt....tell me why your cookies and feta and gouda are better for muscle growth!!
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I think we all understand the concept, but how you are saying it is deceiving. As long as you stay in a caloric deficit AND have 1 gram of protein per pound, you can eat whatever you want. To stay in a caloric deficit without any cardio, what you can eat then becomes limited.
TA saying he eats cookies and pizza is probably not false, but he is eat 1 cookie or 1 slice of pizza. It is not like he is eating the whole pizza or a dozen cookies.
Regardless, you still have to watch what you eat and you will still be hungry in order to lower your bodyfat.
Wrong.
I ate a whole pizza that I made and the cookies were huge at 250 calories each one.
You can easily eat a whole pizza from anywhere if you wanted.
Just an example: You can order a Dominoes Large Pepperoni Pizza and if you eat the whole thing it is 1680 calories. Now you can eat the whole thing at once if you`d like or you can eat 2 or 3 pieces every few hours if you like or you can just eat a few slices and save the rest and eat other things throughout the day. There are no rules.
That is 72 grams of protein so with just a little effort you can reach .5 grams per lb of bodyweight in protein as a minimum.
Now I would NEVER eat Dominoes as I don`t find it appealing nor do I like their ingredients. I can load even more meat and cheese and adjust my crust to not only taste better, but to alter the content of Nutrients as I see fit. Regressive or Progressive.
I think you see the point.
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Wrong.
I ate a whole pizza that I made and the cookies were huge at 250 calories each one.
You can easily eat a whole pizza from anywhere if you wanted.
Just an example: You can order a Dominoes Large Pepperoni Pizza and if you eat the whole thing it is 1680 calories. Now you can eat the whole thing at once if you`d like or you can eat 2 or 3 pieces every few hours if you like or you can just eat a few slices and save the rest and eat other things throughout the day. There are no rules.
That is 72 grams of protein so with just a little effort you can reach .5 grams per lb of bodyweight in protein as a minimum.
Now I would NEVER eat Dominoes as I don`t find it appealing nor do I like their ingredients. I can load even more meat and cheese and adjust my crust to not only taste better, but to alter the content of Nutrients as I see fit. Regressive or Progressive.
I think you see the point.
Do you have a PhD from Duke as well?
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im still trying to understant his genius princeples......wtf.....??? eat anything you want.....so long as its within a certain caloric range or not.....?? sure ok....be more clear son!! and make those of us who are following biochemical pathways and loops, a more learned species??? i know how metabolism works and how the pathways adapt....tell me why your cookies and feta and gouda are better for muscle growth!!
I can give you the recipes if you like. From there you can see what nutrients are in there. I don`t have to check personally because I know what is what when I bake or cook as I make the entire thing.
Fast foods make it even easier for you.
Also, once you get into cooking and food, you will certainly know just by experience what is in a food down to the seasonings. I love going to restaurants and deconstructing their dishes by taste, then going home and duplicating them.
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What is your chosen fermentation method for pizza dough TA?
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nobody is arguing that you can lose fat eating junk food. as long as you are in calorie defecit.
problem with these diets is that the carb/fat content is to high compare to protein content for someone whose goal is to build muscle! (not to talk about the lack of fiber content)
say if you where to eat häagen daz icecream all the time.
let's take a look at nutritional facts for chocolate häagen daz:
Amount Per Serving
Serving Size: 1/2 Cup (106g)
Calories: 270 Calories from Fat: 160
Total Fat 18g 28%
Saturated Fat 11g 55%
Trans Fat 0.5g
Cholesterol 115mg 38%
Sodium 60mg 3%
Total Carbohydrate 22g 7%
Dietary Fiber 1g 4%
Sugars 21g
Protein 5g
Vitamin A 10% Vitamin C 0%
Calcium 15% Iron 6%
fat/carb/protein ratio = 40%fat/49% carbs/11% protein
to little protein in relation to fat/carbs for a bodybuilder obviously.
so say if you where to meet your daily calories with icecream only.
lets say you want to get in 2160 calories daily. that would mean 8 servings of this icecream.
8 servings of icecream = 40 g protein. Not enough for someone whose goal is to build muscle!
case closed
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Wrong.
I ate a whole pizza that I made and the cookies were huge at 250 calories each one.
You can easily eat a whole pizza from anywhere if you wanted.
Just an example: You can order a Dominoes Large Pepperoni Pizza and if you eat the whole thing it is 1680 calories. Now you can eat the whole thing at once if you`d like or you can eat 2 or 3 pieces every few hours if you like or you can just eat a few slices and save the rest and eat other things throughout the day. There are no rules.
That is 72 grams of protein so with just a little effort you can reach .5 grams per lb of bodyweight in protein as a minimum.
Now I would NEVER eat Dominoes as I don`t find it appealing nor do I like their ingredients. I can load even more meat and cheese and adjust my crust to not only taste better, but to alter the content of Nutrients as I see fit. Regressive or Progressive.
I think you see the point.
Again you miss my point. First, a large domino's pizza has well over 2000 calories in it. Do the math, at over 300 calories a slice, the pizza will have well over 2000 cals.
Say you ate the whole pizza and your cookies, what then? You still have to account for how many calories you are eating in a day and not go over your base rate if you are maintaining or deficit. I am not saying you are wrong in that you can eat what you want while staying within your guidelines, but you still need to stay within a set caloric level to loose body fat.
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I can give you the recipes if you like. From there you can see what nutrients are in there. I don`t have to check personally because I know what is what when I bake or cook as I make the entire thing.
Fast foods make it even easier for you.
Also, once you get into cooking and food, you will certainly know just by experience what is in a food down to the seasonings. I love going to restaurants and deconstructing their dishes by taste, then going home and duplicating them.
i dont cuz a hand tossed large dominoes pepperoni is 2376 for the whole pie??
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nobody is arguing that you can lose fat eating junk food. as long as you are in calorie defecit.
problem with these diets is that the carb/fat content is to high compare to protein content for someone whose goal is to build muscle! (not to talk about the lack of fiber content)
say if you where to eat häagen daz icecream all the time.
let's take a look at nutritional facts for chocolate häagen daz:
fat/carb/protein ratio = 40%fat/49% carbs/11% protein
to little protein in relation to fat/carbs for a bodybuilder obviously.
so say if you where to meet your daily calories with icecream only.
lets say you want to get in 2160 calories daily. that would mean 8 servings of this icecream.
8 servings of icecream = 40 g protein. Not enough for someone whose goal is to build muscle!
case closed
That is my point as well. You cannot eat fucking ice cream and pizza all day and hit your protein needs.
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That is my point as well. You cannot eat fucking ice cream and pizza all day and hit your protein needs.
You have to meet you protein needs somehow, no doubt about it. I just do it with a big whey shake so I don't have to worry about it.
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I can give you the recipes if you like. From there you can see what nutrients are in there. I don`t have to check personally because I know what is what when I bake or cook as I make the entire thing.
Fast foods make it even easier for you.
Also, once you get into cooking and food, you will certainly know just by experience what is in a food down to the seasonings. I love going to restaurants and deconstructing their dishes by taste, then going home and duplicating them.
furthermore, having written a cook book for bodybuilders, i am WELL aware of what the fuck i put an dont put in a dish.....and i dont regulate my competetiors sodium, so my recepies are lean, yet most tasty....
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What is your chosen fermentation method for pizza dough TA?
Yeast does all the work. I usually make a starter or a poolish or biga and let it sit overnight or rest in the fridge for a few days to ferment after the first rise.
Here is my favorite recipe at the moment and I can assure you it turns out EVERY time.
7 1/4 ounces King Arthur Unbleached All-Purpose Flour
7 1/4 ounces semolina*
1/4 ounce Pizza Dough Flavor (optional, but delicious)
1 teaspoon instant yeast
1 1/4 teaspoons salt
7/8 ounce olive oil
9 to 10 ounces lukewarm water
*Use 3 cups all-purpose flour in place of the all-purpose/semolina mixture, if desired
Toppings
tomato sauce, cooked meats, vegetables, and cheeses of your choice
Directions
1) Dough: Mix and knead together all of the dough ingredients, by hand, mixer or bread machine, till you’ve created a smooth, soft dough. Don’t over-knead the dough; it should hold together, but can still look fairly rough on the surface.
2) Allow the dough to rise, covered, for 45 minutes; then refrigerate it for 4 hours (or up to 36 hours); this step will develop the crust’s flavor. It'll continue to rise in the fridge, so make sure it's in a big enough bowl.
3) Divide the dough in half.
4) Working with one piece of dough at a time, pick it up and let gravity gently stretch it into an oval. For a more circular shape, move your hands around the perimeter of the dough as it stretches. For thin-crust pizza, make a 12" round or oval. For thick-crust, make a 9" round.
5) Cover the dough, and let it rest while you heat your oven to 450°F. For thickest crust, let your 9" round pizza rest/rise for 60 minutes before baking.
6) Baking: After about 30 minutes, use a giant spatula or pizza peel to transfer the pizzas and parchment to your hot oven stone; or place the pizzas and parchment on a pan, and place the pan on the middle rack of your oven.
7) Bake for 6 minutes (for a thinner, larger crust), or for up to 8 minutes for a smaller/thicker crust. Remove from the oven.
8) To enjoy pizza right away, top it with your favorite toppings, return to an upper rack of the oven (not to the stone), and bake for an additional 8 minutes, or until the crust is golden brown and the filling bubbly.
9) To serve pizzas some other time, remove the parchment, cool the un-topped crusts, wrap them well in plastic wrap, and store at room temperature for 2 or 3 days. Refrigerate for up to 5 days; or freeze for up to 4 weeks.
10) When you’re ready to serve, remove the crusts from the refrigerator or freezer. While they warm to room temperature, heat your oven to 450°F; frozen crusts should be taken out of the freezer and thawed earlier in the day; leave them in the bag, but leave the bag open as they thaw. Top crusts with your favorite toppings and place them on a parchment-lined or greased baking sheet, then on an upper rack of the oven. Bake the pizzas for 8 to 10 minutes, or until the crust is golden brown and the filling bubbly.
Your pizza will look like this:
(http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/files/2009/03/img_5594.JPG)
(http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/files/2009/03/img_5599.JPG)
(http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/files/2009/03/img_5532.JPG)
(http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/files/2009/03/img_5591.JPG)
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I can give you the recipes if you like. From there you can see what nutrients are in there. I don`t have to check personally because I know what is what when I bake or cook as I make the entire thing.
Fast foods make it even easier for you.
Also, once you get into cooking and food, you will certainly know just by experience what is in a food down to the seasonings. I love going to restaurants and deconstructing their dishes by taste, then going home and duplicating them.
once again i ask....what is your "PRINCIPLE"....i have a method for my competetiors diets, but its more of an ideal.....my only principle is muscle preservation and fat loss ??
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You have to meet you protein needs somehow, no doubt about it. I just do it with a big whey shake so I don't have to worry about it.
Are you aware that TA has claimed to be a graduate of Duke or UNC Chapel Hill?
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Again you miss my point. First, a large domino's pizza has well over 2000 calories in it. Do the math, at over 300 calories a slice, the pizza will have well over 2000 cals.
Say you ate the whole pizza and your cookies, what then? You still have to account for how many calories you are eating in a day and not go over your base rate if you are maintaining or deficit. I am not saying you are wrong in that you can eat what you want while staying within your guidelines, but you still need to stay within a set caloric level to loose body fat.
Hope this helps:
http://www.dominos.com/home/menu/calometer.jsp
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Are you aware that TA has claimed to be a graduate of Duke or UNC Chapel Hill?
LOL. You've got a bone and you're not letting go, eh? ;D
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furthermore, having written a cook book for bodybuilders, i am WELL aware of what the fuck i put an dont put in a dish.....and i dont regulate my competetiors sodium, so my recepies are lean, yet most tasty....
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
ADONIS + wavy fucking owned
I knew there are people with common sense around here
hey lil' I cook as a hobby and constantly experiment with new tasty recipes for healthy food
here's one I made up :
1 trout boiled in water with 2 large tomatoes and 1/2 a lemon
when done, put the tomatoes under cold water and peel
mix the puls with olive oil salt and lots of crushed garlic
peel the meat of the bones and mixitin the mixture ...serve
yummy shit ( good diet food )
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Yeast does all the work. I usually make a starter or a poolish or biga and let it sit overnight or rest in the fridge for a few days to ferment after the first rise.
Here is my favorite recipe at the moment and I can assure you it turns out EVERY time.
7 1/4 ounces King Arthur Unbleached All-Purpose Flour
7 1/4 ounces semolina*
1/4 ounce Pizza Dough Flavor (optional, but delicious)
1 teaspoon instant yeast
1 1/4 teaspoons salt
7/8 ounce olive oil
9 to 10 ounces lukewarm water
*Use 3 cups all-purpose flour in place of the all-purpose/semolina mixture, if desired
Toppings
tomato sauce, cooked meats, vegetables, and cheeses of your choice
Directions
1) Dough: Mix and knead together all of the dough ingredients, by hand, mixer or bread machine, till you’ve created a smooth, soft dough. Don’t over-knead the dough; it should hold together, but can still look fairly rough on the surface.
2) Allow the dough to rise, covered, for 45 minutes; then refrigerate it for 4 hours (or up to 36 hours); this step will develop the crust’s flavor. It'll continue to rise in the fridge, so make sure it's in a big enough bowl.
3) Divide the dough in half.
4) Working with one piece of dough at a time, pick it up and let gravity gently stretch it into an oval. For a more circular shape, move your hands around the perimeter of the dough as it stretches. For thin-crust pizza, make a 12" round or oval. For thick-crust, make a 9" round.
5) Cover the dough, and let it rest while you heat your oven to 450°F. For thickest crust, let your 9" round pizza rest/rise for 60 minutes before baking.
6) Baking: After about 30 minutes, use a giant spatula or pizza peel to transfer the pizzas and parchment to your hot oven stone; or place the pizzas and parchment on a pan, and place the pan on the middle rack of your oven.
7) Bake for 6 minutes (for a thinner, larger crust), or for up to 8 minutes for a smaller/thicker crust. Remove from the oven.
8) To enjoy pizza right away, top it with your favorite toppings, return to an upper rack of the oven (not to the stone), and bake for an additional 8 minutes, or until the crust is golden brown and the filling bubbly.
9) To serve pizzas some other time, remove the parchment, cool the un-topped crusts, wrap them well in plastic wrap, and store at room temperature for 2 or 3 days. Refrigerate for up to 5 days; or freeze for up to 4 weeks.
10) When you’re ready to serve, remove the crusts from the refrigerator or freezer. While they warm to room temperature, heat your oven to 450°F; frozen crusts should be taken out of the freezer and thawed earlier in the day; leave them in the bag, but leave the bag open as they thaw. Top crusts with your favorite toppings and place them on a parchment-lined or greased baking sheet, then on an upper rack of the oven. Bake the pizzas for 8 to 10 minutes, or until the crust is golden brown and the filling bubbly.
Your pizza will look like this:
(http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/files/2009/03/img_5594.JPG)
(http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/files/2009/03/img_5599.JPG)
(http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/files/2009/03/img_5532.JPG)
(http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/files/2009/03/img_5591.JPG)
No 00 flour?! You cretin!
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You have to meet you protein needs somehow, no doubt about it. I just do it with a big whey shake so I don't have to worry about it.
I commend you on how you look. You are lean and you do what works for you. Everyone is different. Not everyone has the self control to eat certain foods and limit what they eat. I know clients that just have to eat the whole bag of chips if they start it. Even though, they could lose weight by having chips in their diet, if they regulated amounts.
When losing fat, you cannot truly eat whatever you want. There has to be limitations and rules to achieve the results you want. Also, people respond differently to diets as their bodies respond differently to the macro nutrients. I would never tell someone this worked for me so it has to work for you. Your body type and personality might be best suited for this type of nutrition, but is certainly not the best or only way. Too many variables in humans.
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Here is a step by step Blog for the Pizza if anyone is interested.
King Arthur is by far the best!
http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/2009/03/22/just-in-time-pizza/
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Hope this helps:
http://www.dominos.com/home/menu/calometer.jsp
dude...my point....hand tossed pepperoni is 297 per 1/8 of a damn pie!!!
now i quit at a masters level but that is 2376 cals dick!!
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furthermore, having written a cook book for bodybuilders, i am WELL aware of what the fuck i put an dont put in a dish.....and i dont regulate my competetiors sodium, so my recepies are lean, yet most tasty....
No offense, but a cookbook for bodybuilders is a little pointless since any recipe can be worked in and used.
I have a feeling your cookbook pales in comparison to anything on the James Beard list.
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Here is a step by step Blog for the Pizza if anyone is interested.
King Arthur is by far the best!
http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/2009/03/22/just-in-time-pizza/
I have heard excellent reviews of their products. TA might not be completely full of shit here.
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dude...my point....hand tossed pepperoni is 297 per 1/8 of a damn pie!!!
now i quit at a masters level but that is 2376 cals dick!!
Um, why must you eat the whole pizza in one sitting?
Um, why can`t you order a 12 inch if you feel the need to eat the whole thing?
Um, why can`t you eat 3 or 4 slices then eat other things in the day?
You have an all or nothing mentality and I think that is the problem here.
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No offense, but a cookbook for bodybuilders is a little pointless since any recipe can be worked in and used.
I have a feeling your cookbook pales in comparison to anything on the James Beard list.
you always have a gut in your feeling about something
I have a gut in my feeling that you lie and are full of shite
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No offense, but a cookbook for bodybuilders is a little pointless since any recipe can be worked in and used.
I have a feeling your cookbook pales in comparison to anything on the James Beard list.
uhh...no...once again your ignorance rings clear...since a diet may or may NOT have a certain macro profile as you have alluded to, not all recepies can be used at all times....
how bout you just try and act smart on this board, and i work with the REAL athletes???....your entertaining, but it really stops about there...ya know?
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I have heard excellent reviews of their products. TA might not be completely full of shit here.
Seriously, I own a ton of cookbooks and I really ONLY use them. Their site is awesome as well and you can even call them or chat live with them as you are making their recipes if you need any kind of help.
Their Bakers Companion is a James Beard winner and THE BEST. I bake cookies out of their Cookie Companion about everyday. Also, use their recipes on their site as they are extensive and EVERY ONE OF THEM will turn out.
Make sure you weigh the ingredients instead of using a measuring cup. This is where people fail completely and King Arthur says the same which is why they give the WEIGHT for everything. They rule. 8)
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I have heard excellent reviews of their products. TA might not be completely full of shit here.
Sure he isn't all the time, doesn't change the change the fact that he is a loafing parasite, know-it-all who is dripping with arrogance and self-righteousness.
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Seriously, I own a ton of cookbooks and I really ONLY use them. Their site is awesome as well and you can even call them or chat live with them as you are making their recipes if you need any kind of help.
Their Bakers Companion is a James Beard winner and THE BEST. I bake cookies out of their Cookie Companion about everyday. Also, use their recipes on their site as they are extensive and EVERY ONE OF THEM will turn out.
Make sure you weigh the ingredients instead of using a measuring cup. This is where people fail completely and King Arthur says the same which is why they give the WEIGHT for everything. They rule. 8)
you know what ill give you some credit there....you dont need a cook book...if you know the macro profile you are allowed and need, then read the damn lables and be fucking creative.....
thats all i did??
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I have heard excellent reviews of their products. TA might not be completely full of shit here.
I have a great love for King Arthur and will NEVER use anything else. Also, if you have a local mill that is water powered and ancient, that is a good place to get your cornmeal and grits and oats to go along with King Arthur`s Flours.
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you know what ill give you some credit there....you dont need a cook book...if you know the macro profile you are allowed and need, then read the damn lables and be fucking creative.....
thats all i did??
Thats one way, and I do experiment, but when it comes to baking, you don`t wanna go too crazy or nothing will turn out. The ratios have to be dead on.
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Yeast does all the work. I usually make a starter or a poolish or biga and let it sit overnight or rest in the fridge for a few days to ferment after the first rise.
Here is my favorite recipe at the moment and I can assure you it turns out EVERY time.
7 1/4 ounces King Arthur Unbleached All-Purpose Flour
7 1/4 ounces semolina*
1/4 ounce Pizza Dough Flavor (optional, but delicious)
1 teaspoon instant yeast
1 1/4 teaspoons salt
7/8 ounce olive oil
9 to 10 ounces lukewarm water
*Use 3 cups all-purpose flour in place of the all-purpose/semolina mixture, if desired
Toppings
tomato sauce, cooked meats, vegetables, and cheeses of your choice
Directions
1) Dough: Mix and knead together all of the dough ingredients, by hand, mixer or bread machine, till you’ve created a smooth, soft dough. Don’t over-knead the dough; it should hold together, but can still look fairly rough on the surface.
2) Allow the dough to rise, covered, for 45 minutes; then refrigerate it for 4 hours (or up to 36 hours); this step will develop the crust’s flavor. It'll continue to rise in the fridge, so make sure it's in a big enough bowl.
3) Divide the dough in half.
4) Working with one piece of dough at a time, pick it up and let gravity gently stretch it into an oval. For a more circular shape, move your hands around the perimeter of the dough as it stretches. For thin-crust pizza, make a 12" round or oval. For thick-crust, make a 9" round.
5) Cover the dough, and let it rest while you heat your oven to 450°F. For thickest crust, let your 9" round pizza rest/rise for 60 minutes before baking.
6) Baking: After about 30 minutes, use a giant spatula or pizza peel to transfer the pizzas and parchment to your hot oven stone; or place the pizzas and parchment on a pan, and place the pan on the middle rack of your oven.
7) Bake for 6 minutes (for a thinner, larger crust), or for up to 8 minutes for a smaller/thicker crust. Remove from the oven.
8) To enjoy pizza right away, top it with your favorite toppings, return to an upper rack of the oven (not to the stone), and bake for an additional 8 minutes, or until the crust is golden brown and the filling bubbly.
9) To serve pizzas some other time, remove the parchment, cool the un-topped crusts, wrap them well in plastic wrap, and store at room temperature for 2 or 3 days. Refrigerate for up to 5 days; or freeze for up to 4 weeks.
10) When you’re ready to serve, remove the crusts from the refrigerator or freezer. While they warm to room temperature, heat your oven to 450°F; frozen crusts should be taken out of the freezer and thawed earlier in the day; leave them in the bag, but leave the bag open as they thaw. Top crusts with your favorite toppings and place them on a parchment-lined or greased baking sheet, then on an upper rack of the oven. Bake the pizzas for 8 to 10 minutes, or until the crust is golden brown and the filling bubbly.
Your pizza will look like this:
(http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/files/2009/03/img_5594.JPG)
(http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/files/2009/03/img_5599.JPG)
(http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/files/2009/03/img_5532.JPG)
(http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/files/2009/03/img_5591.JPG)
attention seeking lying piece of shit.
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Thats one way, and I do experiment, but when it comes to baking, you don`t wanna go too crazy or nothing will turn out. The ratios have to be dead on.
dude, if you know what you put in then thats what comes out??? how can it turn out wrong if you know what ur putting in???? its not fucking rocket science??
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I have a great love for King Arthur and will NEVER use anything else. Also, if you have a local mill that is water powered and ancient, that is a good place to get your cornmeal and grits and oats to go along with King Arthur`s Flours.
HAHA@water powered and ancient. And bring me a decanted bottle of expensive wine. Let Getbig eat cake!
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Here is a review I wrote on King Arthur for Pumpkin Cakes with Ginger and Cream Cheese Icing April 10, 2009. They loved my review. lol
This cake is simply an amazing married blend of Ginger and Pumpkin that will leave a lasting impression even long after it is devoured. The density and texture are reminiscent of something found in an upscale bakery. Be assured that if this cake were for sale, a vendor could easily fetch a high price. The quality is really that impressive. The icing is a thickly rich splendor that beautifully glazes your taste buds with each bite taken. This icing could easily find its way upon any dessert that calls for such provisions. Feel free to keep it as your standard. 5 stars and anyone who does not give it the full 5 is just severely delusional with malformed and ill-working taste buds.
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Here is a review I wrote on King Arthur for Pumpkin Cakes with Ginger and Cream Cheese Icing April 10, 2009. They loved my review. lol
This cake is simply an amazing married blend of Ginger and Pumpkin that will leave a lasting impression even long after it is devoured. The density and texture are reminiscent of something found in an upscale bakery. Be assured that if this cake were for sale, a vendor could easily fetch a high price. The quality is really that impressive. The icing is a thickly rich splendor that beautifully glazes your taste buds with each bite taken. This icing could easily find its way upon any dessert that calls for such provisions. Feel free to keep it as your standard. 5 stars and anyone who does not give it the full 5 is just severely delusional with malformed and ill-working taste buds.
:D
you gotta be gay!
write a review on sucking cock ... lol
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Here is a review I wrote on King Arthur for Pumpkin Cakes with Ginger and Cream Cheese Icing April 10, 2009. They loved my review. lol
This cake is simply an amazing married blend of Ginger and Pumpkin that will leave a lasting impression even long after it is devoured. The density and texture are reminiscent of something found in an upscale bakery. Be assured that if this cake were for sale, a vendor could easily fetch a high price. The quality is really that impressive. The icing is a thickly rich splendor that beautifully glazes your taste buds with each bite taken. This icing could easily find its way upon any dessert that calls for such provisions. Feel free to keep it as your standard. 5 stars and anyone who does not give it the full 5 is just severely delusional with malformed and ill-working taste buds.
furthermore, there is no way in HELL that pizza would be on one of my clients diets, on any day except for a cheat day meal.....
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I commend you on how you look. You are lean and you do what works for you. Everyone is different. Not everyone has the self control to eat certain foods and limit what they eat. I know clients that just have to eat the whole bag of chips if they start it. Even though, they could lose weight by having chips in their diet, if they regulated amounts.
When losing fat, you cannot truly eat whatever you want. There has to be limitations and rules to achieve the results you want. Also, people respond differently to diets as their bodies respond differently to the macro nutrients. I would never tell someone this worked for me so it has to work for you. Your body type and personality might be best suited for this type of nutrition, but is certainly not the best or only way. Too many variables in humans.
Yes, that's exactly my point. The diet must be designed to be as convenient as possible for the individual while still following the essential rules of protein intake and caloric restriction. For some people that means staying away from some foods they like because it's hard for them to stick to the deficit otherwise. However, for many other people, a diet that is too restrictive in terms of what they are allowed to eat will not work either, because they can't stick to that.
What I don't agree with however is the effect of macro composition other than protein on body composition beyond the convenience factor. There is no study (I know of) showing any effect of carb/fat ratio as long as rate of weight change is kept the same and basic nutritional needs are met. What I do agree with is that some people can get away with less carbs while still maintaining strength in the gym while others can't. I'm the best example for the second category, since my gym performance was horrible on keto diets.
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HAHA@water powered and ancient. And bring me a decanted bottle of expensive wine. Let Getbig eat cake!
Here is where I get my grits and Cornmeal. Martha Stewart Approved and Lee Bros. Approved.
(http://www.millpictures.com/Mills/images/NC-41-04-01-Guiford%20Mill-Bailes%20Old%20Mill-mMacCarter-2005.jpg)
http://www.oldmillofguilford.com/
The Old Mill of Guilford was founded in North Carolina on Beaver Creek in 1767 to grind grain for the early settlers of what is now Guilford County. Today, the mill continues to produce all-natural, stone-ground, whole grain foods, just as it has for over 250 years.
n 1767, before the colonists decided to seek independence from England, Daniel Dillon built a small tub mill in North Carolina on Beaver Creek, and went into business grinding grain for the early settlers. The Earl of Granville had granted Dillon the tract of 552 acres on Reedy Fork and Beaver Creeks in 1755. Rowan County later granted him a license to build the mill in 1764. Rowan County court minutes from January 10, 1764 read: "Ordered that Daniel Dillin have License to Build a Publick Grist Mill on the Reedy Fork of Haw River at the mouth of Beaver Creek." The mill was located in what is now Guilford County, which was created out of Rowan County in 1771.
On February 10, 1781, during the Revolutionary War, British troops under General Cornwallis marched past the mill in pursuit of General Green who was encamped at Guilford Courthouse. Legend has it that British troops seized the mill to grind grain for the soldiers prior to the Battle of Guilford Courthouse on March 15, 1781.
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Here is a review I wrote on King Arthur for Pumpkin Cakes with Ginger and Cream Cheese Icing April 10, 2009. They loved my review. lol
This cake is simply an amazing married blend of Ginger and Pumpkin that will leave a lasting impression even long after it is devoured. The density and texture are reminiscent of something found in an upscale bakery. Be assured that if this cake were for sale, a vendor could easily fetch a high price. The quality is really that impressive. The icing is a thickly rich splendor that beautifully glazes your taste buds with each bite taken. This icing could easily find its way upon any dessert that calls for such provisions. Feel free to keep it as your standard. 5 stars and anyone who does not give it the full 5 is just severely delusional with malformed and ill-working taste buds.
once again i ask....what are YOUR princples??? please make it sound logical to me with reagards to biochemistry and metabolism AND bodybuilding??
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dude, if you know what you put in then thats what comes out??? how can it turn out wrong if you know what ur putting in???? its not fucking rocket science??
Gastronomy is a Science. Baking is an EXACT science and if you deviate you may as well eat dust because NOTHING you make will turn out.
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Gastronomy is a Science. Baking is an EXACT science and if you deviate you may as well eat dust because NOTHING you make will turn out.
I just saw a docu on Ferran Adria, very fascinating.
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:D
you gotta be gay!
write a review on sucking cock ... lol
hahah, he is truly a sick individual.
the pathetic piece of shit. lying to his grave.
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Gastronomy is a Science. Baking is an EXACT science and if you deviate you may as well eat dust because NOTHING you make will turn out.
seriously.....thats your response??....gastronomy???.....wtf kid??
are we on the food network or what???
i thought we were talking MACRO profile?? like YOU said??
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I will post a few testimonials of people who I have helped with their diets later on to show that it's not only working for me.
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I will post a few testimonials of people who I have helped with their diets later on to show that it's not only working for me.
meh, that proves nada!!! no one (or at least me) ever said it would NOT work.....but much like my arguements with other contest prep gurus, is it the best, easiest , or most efficent way????
like i always say...work smarter...not harder....so long as you still win!!
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meh, that proves nada!!! no one (or at least me) ever said it would NOT work.....but much like my arguements with other contest prep gurus, is it the best, easiest , or most efficent way????
like i always say...work smarter...not harder....so long as you still win!!
It's not the easiest or most efficient but WL admits this I think.
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fuck it...i give up.....yall eat your gouda basil pizza.......
i guess im too stupid to understand the "principles" of the adonis clan....
yall work harder....stay swimmer
see you at nationals or olympia or wherever!!
im just a dumb ol tx boy....LOL
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meh, that proves nada!!! no one (or at least me) ever said it would NOT work.....but much like my arguements with other contest prep gurus, is it the best, easiest , or most efficent way????
like i always say...work smarter...not harder....so long as you still win!!
Of course it doesn't prove anything. That's what scientific studies are for.
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fuck it...i give up.....yall eat your gouda basil pizza.......
i guess im too stupid to understand the "principles" of the adonis clan....
yall work harder....stay swimmer
see you at nationals or olympia or wherever!!
im just a dumb ol tx boy....LOL
They are layed out in this thread, if that's what you are looking for:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=232398.0
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It's not the easiest or most efficient but WL admits this I think.
The principles encompass every diet most convenient for the individual. My particular diet does not of course. It goes without saying that efficiency in terms of body composition is always the main goal for a bodybuilder.
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The principles encompass every diet most convenient for the individual. My particular diet does not of course. It goes without saying that efficiency in terms of body composition is always the main goal for a bodybuilder.
not really...because they assume all individuals have the same caloric and macro needs.....and there in lies the problem...
while the principles are sound in a general sense, they dont take into account the HUMAN factor...
so with that, if you are a BODYBUILDER, you cannot really rely on those much more than any other diet...or achieve the results you want......and for each individual its something different!
bodybuilding is an art of tweaking and metabolism confusion....
i referr to it as controlled metabolic chaos....but there are no, hard fast rules.....you do what you gotta do to adapt and continue to trick the metabolism'''
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furthermore, convience is an after thought for a true bodybuilder.....we eat to elicit a metabolic response...not for convienece or pleasure....
you put the right fuel in at the right time.....that is the first and most important "principle"
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"Bodybuilding means both bulking and cutting."
umm no. both of those terms are those used by mags, supp
companies and others that want to lighten your wallet.
bodybuilding means building/adding muscle and then dieting
off the fat that comes with the added muscle in order to compete.
you got in great shape but your muscle is very thin. you have
no thickness or lost it all dieting. your also a young man so your
metabolism makes up for alot of what you think matters in dieting.
try what your saying at my age.(53) won't work don't work can't work
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Thats one way, and I do experiment, but when it comes to baking, you don`t wanna go too crazy or nothing will turn out. The ratios have to be dead on.
http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134239
Awesome book. Not overly technical but still an in depth look at baking dynamics. Hope the download still works.
HAHA@water powered and ancient.
KLF Flour?
Sure he isn't all the time, doesn't change the change the fact that he is a loafing parasite, know-it-all who is dripping with arrogance and self-righteousness.
The cultured man-about-town schtick wears a little thin but, if not for it, think of all the fun we'd lose poking holes in it.
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not really...because they assume all individuals have the same caloric and macro needs.....and there in lies the problem...
It does not assume that all individuals have the same caloric needs, I always talk about rate of weight loss, never about total calories. Regarding macros, this was already addressed.
while the principles are sound in a general sense, they dont take into account the HUMAN factor...
so with that, if you are a BODYBUILDER, you cannot really rely on those much more than any other diet...or achieve the results you want......and for each individual its something different!
bodybuilding is an art of tweaking and metabolism confusion....
i referr to it as controlled metabolic chaos....but there are no, hard fast rules.....you do what you gotta do to adapt and continue to trick the metabolism'''
I'm not talking about the final week before a real competition, I'm also not talking about non-natural bodybuilders. I have no experience with either. But there are bodybuilders who have e.g. tried low carb and low fat diets and had great success with both. Same goes for different methods regarding meal frequency or macro timing. I don't agree with the need for "metabolism confusion" or "tricking metabolism", at least there is no scientific evidence for that as far as I know.
furthermore, convience is an after thought for a true bodybuilder.....we eat to elicit a metabolic response...not for convienece or pleasure....
you put the right fuel in at the right time.....that is the first and most important "principle"
For a competitive BB, of course, convenience should not play any role, although it also doesn't make any sense to make the diet as inconvenient as possible if it's not necessary. I was just responding to the convenience factor as mentioned by lvtolft for people who just want to be able to stick to a diet.
"Bodybuilding means both bulking and cutting." umm no. both of those terms are those used by mags, supp companies and others that want to lighten your wallet. bodybuilding means building/adding muscle and then dieting off the fat that comes with the added muscle in order to compete.
I' have never bought a BB mag in my life and I don't use any supps other than whey. Of course, that's what I meant by bulking and cutting: adding weight with optimal body composition (maximizing ratio of muscle gain vs. fat gain) and then losing weight with optimal body composition (maximizing ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss).
you got in great shape but your muscle is very thin. you have no thickness or lost it all dieting. your also a young man so your metabolism makes up for alot of what you think matters in dieting. try what your saying at my age.(53)
won't work don't work can't work
My lack of muscle mass has absolutely nothing to do with my cutting method. Both this and my previous cut was close to optimal regarding body composition. My LBM is low because of injuries and thus the inability to train with full intensity. I was a lot heavier in the past.
Slow down of metabolism with age is not that siginificant, individually different though. For the most part, people move less and eat more when they get older.
How old do you think I am?
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Here is where I get my grits and Cornmeal. Martha Stewart Approved and Lee Bros. Approved.
The Old Mill of Guilford was founded in North Carolina on Beaver Creek in 1767 to grind grain for the early settlers of what is now Guilford County. Today, the mill continues to produce all-natural, stone-ground, whole grain foods, just as it has for over 250 years.
n 1767, before the colonists decided to seek independence from England, Daniel Dillon built a small tub mill in North Carolina on Beaver Creek, and went into business grinding grain for the early settlers. The Earl of Granville had granted Dillon the tract of 552 acres on Reedy Fork and Beaver Creeks in 1755. Rowan County later granted him a license to build the mill in 1764. Rowan County court minutes from January 10, 1764 read: "Ordered that Daniel Dillin have License to Build a Publick Grist Mill on the Reedy Fork of Haw River at the mouth of Beaver Creek." The mill was located in what is now Guilford County, which was created out of Rowan County in 1771.
On February 10, 1781, during the Revolutionary War, British troops under General Cornwallis marched past the mill in pursuit of General Green who was encamped at Guilford Courthouse. Legend has it that British troops seized the mill to grind grain for the soldiers prior to the Battle of Guilford Courthouse on March 15, 1781.
Got it. Well, the word I would have used would be 'colonial' rather than 'ancient.' You had me thinking of the Nabateans hard at work in the desert making their daily rations. :)
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Got it. Well, the word I would have used would be 'colonial' rather than 'ancient.' You had me thinking of the Nabateans hard at work in the desert making their daily rations. :)
Actually TA knows quite a lot about colonial irrigation.
Those Puritans had some wild ideas.
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Why don't some of you try this method, I mean, I've started a cutting diet as of 5 days ago using this principle as I've done multiple times before. I shall prove it's effectiveness once again.
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Why don't some of you try this method, I mean, I've started a cutting diet as of 5 days ago using this principle as I've done multiple times before. I shall prove it's effectiveness once again.
I think most people agree that it works. But a diet is a diet. Eating lower calories than your body expends is difficult.
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Why don't some of you try this method, I mean, I've started a cutting diet as of 5 days ago using this principle as I've done multiple times before. I shall prove it's effectiveness once again.
Exactly, as I said, I challenge each and every getbigger to try it. If anyone does not get ripped if he follows all essential rules for long enough, I will quit posting on getbig.
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Actually TA knows quite a lot about colonialc irrigation.
Those Puritans had some wild ideas.
Fixed!
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Exactly, as I said, I challenge each and every getbigger to try it. If anyone does not get ripped if he follows all essential rules for long enough, I will quit posting on getbig.
when you have done one show. do one.
just one. I have and can prove it.
you, you just post, forum to forum looking for
justification to your senseless bullshit and to attention whore.
we got decide for that (http://www.naturalmastersbodybuilding.com/laf.gif)
oh and spot on post by dr. chimps.
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when you have done one show. do one.
just one. I have and can prove it.
you, you just post, forum to forum looking for
justification to your senseless bullshit and to attention whore.
we got decide for that (http://www.naturalmastersbodybuilding.com/laf.gif)
oh and spot on post by dr. chimps.
I have helped many people achieve their goals, but I have never claimed to be an expert for competitive bodybuilding in it's final stage.
I can assure you that it was no my intention to offend you in any way, if I have, I apologize.
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Fixed!
Yeah, I almost went with 'colonical' but I didn't want to be too obvious.
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Why is everyone always scheming for a way to get ripped without doing cardio? Personally, I think cardio is a lot of fun and it allows you to eat a wider variety of foods while maintainig a caloric deficit. Basketball, soccer, jogging, hiking etc. should all be fun things you can incorporate into a healthy lifestyle AND look good doing it.
What gives? No one wants to break a sweat? ???
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Why is everyone always scheming for a way to get ripped without doing cardio? Personally, I think cardio is a lot of fun and it allows you to eat a wider variety of foods while maintainig a caloric deficit. Basketball, soccer, jogging, hiking etc. should all be fun things you can incorporate into a healthy lifestyle AND look good doing it.
What gives? No one wants to break a sweat? ???
I think most people think cardio is boring.
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Yeah, I almost went with 'colonical' but I didn't want to be too obvious.
You can rely on me to take the low road, Tape. :)
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I think most people think cardio is boring.
Well if you're doing it in a gym on an elliptical or something, then I can certainly agree. Or doing that bullshit King Kamali cardio, which is basically walking on a treadmill.
To me pushing yourself cardiovascularly (either through sport or for the sheer challenge, eg running) is just as much fun as lifting heavy weights to failure.
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Well if you're doing it in a gym on an elliptical or something, then I can certainly agree. Or doing that bullshit King Kamali cardio, which is basically walking on a treadmill.
To me pushing yourself cardiovascularly (either through sport or for the sheer challenge, eg running) is just as much fun as lifting heavy weights to failure.
Agree completely, there is no reason not to do cardio other than being lazy, not enjoying it, or just not having enough time. It has many benefits, no doubt.
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Agree completely, there is no reason not to do cardio other than being lazy, not enjoying it, or just not having enough time. It has many benefits, no doubt.
What's the reason you don't do cardio?
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What's the reason you don't do cardio?
Combination of all three. In the summer I do some swimming for fun though.
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My rule is 1g / lb of lean body mass. Alan's is 1g / lb of target weight, which is basically the same.
when lifting, you need aproximately 0.65g/kg in order to retain muscle mass. ( .3 grams per lb)
when sedentary, you need .8g/kg.
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when lifting, you need aproximately 0.65g/kg in order to retain muscle mass. (1.43grams per lb)
when sedentary, you need .8g/kg.
When you are you, you hate white women.
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when lifting, you need aproximately 0.65g/kg in order to retain muscle mass. (1.43grams per lb)
when sedentary, you need .8g/kg.
You must have switched the kg with the lb numbers?
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You must have switched the kg with the lb numbers?
WOOOOWWWWW
fuck that was a stupid mistake.
i didnt mix up the numbers, what i did was instead of dividing the kilogram number, i doubled it.
okay, so, let me re-phrase =
when lifting, you need aproximately 0.65g/kg in order to retain muscle mass. (.3 grams per lb)
when sedentary, you need .8g/kg.
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with that being said...here are the benefits of over eating protein.
Increased Thermic Effect of Feeding — While all macronutrients require metabolic processing for digestion, absorption, and storage or oxidation, the thermic effect of protein is roughly double that of carbohydrates and fat. Therefore, eating protein is actually thermogenic and can lead to a higher metabolic rate. This means greater fat loss when dieting and less fat gain during overfeeding.
Increased Glucagon — Protein consumption increases plasma concentrations of the hormone glucagon. Glucagon is responsible for antagonizing the effects of insulin in adipose tissue, leading to greater fat mobilization. In addition, glucagon also decreases the amounts and activities of the enzymes responsible for making and storing fat in adipose and liver cells. Again, this leads to greater fat loss during dieting and less fat gain during overfeeding.
Increased IGF-1 — Protein and amino-acid supplementation has been shown to increase the IGF-1 response to both exercise and feeding. Since IGF-1 is an anabolic hormone that's related to muscle growth, another advantage associated with consuming more protein is more muscle growth when overfeeding and/or muscle sparing when dieting.
Reduction in Cardiovascular Risk — Several studies have shown that increasing the percentage of protein in the diet (from 11% to 23%) while decreasing the percentage of carbohydrate (from 63% to 48%) lowers LDL cholesterol and triglyceride concentrations with concomitant increases in HDL cholesterol concentrations.
Improved Weight-Loss Profile — Brand spankin' new research by Layman and colleagues has demonstrated that reducing the carbohydrate ratio from 3.5 - 1 to 1.4 - 1 increases body fat loss, spares muscle mass, reduces triglyceride concentrations, improves satiety, and improves blood glucose management (Layman et al 2003 — If you're at all interested in protein intake, you've gotta go read the January and February issues of the Journal of Nutrition. Layman has three interesting articles in the two journals).
Increased Protein Turnover — As I've discussed before in my article Precision Nutrition, all tissues of the body, including muscle, go through a regular program of turnover. Since the balance between protein breakdown and protein synthesis governs muscle protein turnover, you need to increase your protein turnover rates in order to best improve your muscle quality. A high protein diet does just this. By increasing both protein synthesis and protein breakdown, a high protein diet helps you get rid of the old muscle more quickly and build up new, more functional muscle to take its place.
Increased Nitrogen Status — Earlier I indicated that a positive nitrogen status means that more protein is entering the body than is leaving the body. High protein diets cause a strong positive protein status and when this increased protein availability is coupled with an exercise program that increases the body's anabolic efficiency, the growth process may be accelerated.
Increased Provision of Auxiliary Nutrients — Although the benefits mentioned above have related specifically to protein and amino acids, it's important to recognize that we don't just eat protein and amino acids — we eat food. Therefore, high protein diets often provide auxiliary nutrients that could enhance performance and/or muscle growth. These nutrients include creatine, branched chain amino acids, conjugated linoleic acids, and/or additional nutrients that are important but remain to be discovered. This illustrates the need to get most of your protein from food, rather than supplements alone.
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WOOOOWWWWW
fuck that was a stupid mistake.
i didnt mix up the numbers, what i did was instead of dividing the kilogram number, i doubled it.
okay, so, let me re-phrase =
when lifting, you need aproximately 0.65g/kg in order to retain muscle mass. (.3 grams per lb)
when sedentary, you need .8g/kg.
You need less when you're lifting?
These numbers seem low, where are they from?
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You need less when you're lifting?
These numbers seem low, where are they from?
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=848644
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/proprejudice.htm
Specifically, the research of Butterfield and Calloway suggests that athletes may actually need less protein due to an increase in protein efficiency that may accompany chronic training (Butterfield and Calloway 1984). What this means is that athletes may actually get more efficient in their protein use (i.e. increased anabolic efficiency) and therefore may need less protein than the 0.8g/kg required for sedentary individuals!
athletes may actually need fewer protein grams per day than the typical sedentary dose of 0.8g/kg. Actually, the Butterfield study suggests an exact number: 0.65g/kg.
http://www.unu.edu/unupress/food2/UID07E/uid07e0y.htm
As in the rat experiments, these findings indicate that physical activity can modify the efficiency of dietary energy and protein utilization.
This suggests that sustained physical activity has a protein-sparing effect.
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http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=848644
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/proprejudice.htm
Specifically, the research of Butterfield and Calloway suggests that athletes may actually need less protein due to an increase in protein efficiency that may accompany chronic training (Butterfield and Calloway 1984). What this means is that athletes may actually get more efficient in their protein use (i.e. increased anabolic efficiency) and therefore may need less protein than the 0.8g/kg required for sedentary individuals!
athletes may actually need fewer protein grams per day than the typical sedentary dose of 0.8g/kg. Actually, the Butterfield study suggests an exact number: 0.65g/kg.
http://www.unu.edu/unupress/food2/UID07E/uid07e0y.htm
As in the rat experiments, these findings indicate that physical activity can modify the efficiency of dietary energy and protein utilization.
This suggests that sustained physical activity has a protein-sparing effect.
Interesting. I tried below 1g/kg body weight and my body composition suffered on the cut. Just my observation of course.
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Oh no
Not this shit again :'(
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Oh no
Not this shit again :'(
Well I don't like being called a liar.
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Well I don't like being called a liar.
Ich hab dich lieb! :)
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Ich hab dich lieb! :)
Danke Bruder des Eisens
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(http://i30.tinypic.com/suvdsi.jpg)
I bet he banged all of those school girls :D
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Well I don't like being called a liar.
Stop being so damn touchy 8)
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Stop being so damn touchy 8)
;D
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You can rely on me to take the low road, Tape. :)
And you'll be in Scotland afore me.