To all those laughing at Adonis for his method ...

[Cleanest Natural]

i'm sick of the fighting, you can rage as much as you want though.  

you are tired cause I'm wearing you down slouly

my methods are slow and insidious like the reptilians

becaouse they don't change over eons of time they might ponder a move for 2000 years .... never brutal although they are THE MOST brutal

[liltacobell]

im still trying to understant his genius princeples......wtf..... eat anything you want.....so long as its within a certain caloric range or not.....??   sure ok....be more clear son!! and make those of us who are following biochemical pathways and loops, a more learned species??? i know how metabolism works and how the pathways adapt....tell me why your cookies and feta and gouda are better for muscle growth!!

[The True Adonis]

I think we all understand the concept, but how you are saying it is deceiving.  As long as you stay in a caloric deficit AND have 1 gram of protein per pound, you can eat whatever you want.  To stay in a caloric deficit without any cardio, what you can eat then becomes limited.

TA saying he eats cookies and pizza is probably not false, but he is eat 1 cookie or 1 slice of pizza.  It is not like he is eating the whole pizza or a dozen cookies.

Regardless, you still have to watch what you eat and you will still be hungry in order to lower your bodyfat.

Wrong.

I ate a whole pizza that I made and the cookies were huge at 250 calories each one.  

You can easily eat a whole pizza from anywhere if you wanted.  

Just an example: You can order a Dominoes Large Pepperoni Pizza and if you eat the whole thing it is 1680 calories.   Now you can eat the whole thing at once if you`d like or you can eat 2 or 3 pieces every few hours if you like or you can just eat a few slices and save the rest and eat other things throughout the day.  There are no rules.

That is 72 grams of protein so with just a little effort you can reach .5 grams per lb of bodyweight in protein as a minimum.

Now I would NEVER eat Dominoes as I don`t find it appealing nor do I like their ingredients.  I can load even more meat and cheese and adjust my crust to not only taste better, but to alter the content of Nutrients as I see fit.  Regressive or Progressive.


I think you see the point.

[Deicide]

Wrong.

I ate a whole pizza that I made and the cookies were huge at 250 calories each one.  

You can easily eat a whole pizza from anywhere if you wanted.  

Just an example: You can order a Dominoes Large Pepperoni Pizza and if you eat the whole thing it is 1680 calories.   Now you can eat the whole thing at once if you`d like or you can eat 2 or 3 pieces every few hours if you like or you can just eat a few slices and save the rest and eat other things throughout the day.  There are no rules.

That is 72 grams of protein so with just a little effort you can reach .5 grams per lb of bodyweight in protein as a minimum.

Now I would NEVER eat Dominoes as I don`t find it appealing nor do I like their ingredients.  I can load even more meat and cheese and adjust my crust to not only taste better, but to alter the content of Nutrients as I see fit.  Regressive or Progressive.


I think you see the point.

Do you have a PhD from Duke as well?

[The True Adonis]

im still trying to understant his genius princeples......wtf..... eat anything you want.....so long as its within a certain caloric range or not.....??   sure ok....be more clear son!! and make those of us who are following biochemical pathways and loops, a more learned species??? i know how metabolism works and how the pathways adapt....tell me why your cookies and feta and gouda are better for muscle growth!!

I can give you the recipes if you like.  From there you can see what nutrients are in there.  I don`t have to check personally because I know what is what when I bake or cook as I make the entire thing.

Fast foods make it even easier for you.


Also, once you get into cooking and food, you will certainly know just by experience what is in a food down to the seasonings.  I love going to restaurants and deconstructing their dishes by taste, then going home and duplicating them.

[Tapeworm]

What is your chosen fermentation method for pizza dough TA?

[MAXX]

nobody is arguing that you can lose fat eating junk food. as long as you are in calorie defecit.

problem with these diets is that the carb/fat content is to high compare to protein content for someone whose goal is to build muscle! (not to talk about the lack of fiber content)

say if you where to eat häagen daz icecream all the time.

let's take a look at nutritional facts for chocolate häagen daz:

Amount Per Serving
Serving Size: 1/2 Cup (106g)
Calories: 270 Calories from Fat: 160
 
Total Fat 18g 28%
Saturated Fat 11g 55%
Trans Fat 0.5g  
Cholesterol 115mg 38%
Sodium 60mg 3%
Total Carbohydrate 22g 7%
Dietary Fiber 1g 4%
Sugars 21g  
Protein 5g  
 
 
 
Vitamin A 10%  Vitamin C 0%  
Calcium 15%  Iron 6%  

fat/carb/protein ratio = 40%fat/49% carbs/11% protein

to little protein in relation to fat/carbs for a bodybuilder obviously.

so say if you where to meet your daily calories with icecream only.

lets say you want to get in 2160 calories daily. that would mean 8 servings of this icecream.

8 servings of icecream = 40 g protein. Not enough for someone whose goal is to build muscle!

case closed

[lvtolft]

Wrong.

I ate a whole pizza that I made and the cookies were huge at 250 calories each one.  

You can easily eat a whole pizza from anywhere if you wanted.  

Just an example: You can order a Dominoes Large Pepperoni Pizza and if you eat the whole thing it is 1680 calories.   Now you can eat the whole thing at once if you`d like or you can eat 2 or 3 pieces every few hours if you like or you can just eat a few slices and save the rest and eat other things throughout the day.  There are no rules.

That is 72 grams of protein so with just a little effort you can reach .5 grams per lb of bodyweight in protein as a minimum.

Now I would NEVER eat Dominoes as I don`t find it appealing nor do I like their ingredients.  I can load even more meat and cheese and adjust my crust to not only taste better, but to alter the content of Nutrients as I see fit.  Regressive or Progressive.


I think you see the point.

Again you miss my point.  First, a large domino's pizza has well over 2000 calories in it.  Do the math, at over 300 calories a slice, the pizza will have well over 2000 cals.
Say you ate the whole pizza and your cookies, what then?  You still have to account for how many calories you are eating in a day and not go over your base rate if you are maintaining or deficit.  I am not saying you are wrong in that you can eat what you want while staying within your guidelines, but you still need to stay within a set caloric level to loose body fat.  

[liltacobell]

I can give you the recipes if you like.  From there you can see what nutrients are in there.  I don`t have to check personally because I know what is what when I bake or cook as I make the entire thing.

Fast foods make it even easier for you.


Also, once you get into cooking and food, you will certainly know just by experience what is in a food down to the seasonings.  I love going to restaurants and deconstructing their dishes by taste, then going home and duplicating them.

i dont cuz a hand tossed large dominoes pepperoni is 2376 for the whole pie??

[lvtolft]

nobody is arguing that you can lose fat eating junk food. as long as you are in calorie defecit.

problem with these diets is that the carb/fat content is to high compare to protein content for someone whose goal is to build muscle! (not to talk about the lack of fiber content)

say if you where to eat häagen daz icecream all the time.

let's take a look at nutritional facts for chocolate häagen daz:
 

fat/carb/protein ratio = 40%fat/49% carbs/11% protein

to little protein in relation to fat/carbs for a bodybuilder obviously.

so say if you where to meet your daily calories with icecream only.

lets say you want to get in 2160 calories daily. that would mean 8 servings of this icecream.

8 servings of icecream = 40 g protein. Not enough for someone whose goal is to build muscle!

case closed

That is my point as well.  You cannot eat fucking ice cream and pizza all day and hit your protein needs.

[wavelength]

That is my point as well.  You cannot eat fucking ice cream and pizza all day and hit your protein needs.

You have to meet you protein needs somehow, no doubt about it. I just do it with a big whey shake so I don't have to worry about it.

[liltacobell]

I can give you the recipes if you like.  From there you can see what nutrients are in there.  I don`t have to check personally because I know what is what when I bake or cook as I make the entire thing.

Fast foods make it even easier for you.


Also, once you get into cooking and food, you will certainly know just by experience what is in a food down to the seasonings.  I love going to restaurants and deconstructing their dishes by taste, then going home and duplicating them.

furthermore, having written a cook book for bodybuilders, i am WELL aware of what the fuck i put an dont put in a dish.....and i dont regulate my competetiors sodium, so my recepies are lean, yet most tasty....

[The True Adonis]

What is your chosen fermentation method for pizza dough TA?

Yeast does all the work.  I usually make a starter or a poolish or biga and let it sit overnight or rest in the fridge for a few days to ferment after the first rise.

Here is my favorite recipe at the moment and I can assure you it turns out EVERY time.

7 1/4 ounces King Arthur Unbleached All-Purpose Flour
7 1/4 ounces semolina*
1/4 ounce Pizza Dough Flavor (optional, but delicious)
1 teaspoon instant yeast
1 1/4 teaspoons salt
7/8 ounce olive oil
9 to 10 ounces lukewarm water


*Use 3 cups all-purpose flour in place of the all-purpose/semolina mixture, if desired
Toppings
tomato sauce, cooked meats, vegetables, and cheeses of your choice
Directions


1) Dough: Mix and knead together all of the dough ingredients, by hand, mixer or bread machine, till you’ve created a smooth, soft dough. Don’t over-knead the dough; it should hold together, but can still look fairly rough on the surface.



2) Allow the dough to rise, covered, for 45 minutes; then refrigerate it for 4 hours (or up to 36 hours); this step will develop the crust’s flavor. It'll continue to rise in the fridge, so make sure it's in a big enough bowl.



3) Divide the dough in half.



4) Working with one piece of dough at a time, pick it up and let gravity gently stretch it into an oval. For a more circular shape, move your hands around the perimeter of the dough as it stretches. For thin-crust pizza, make a 12" round or oval. For thick-crust, make a 9" round.


5) Cover the dough, and let it rest while you heat your oven to 450°F. For thickest crust, let your 9" round pizza rest/rise for 60 minutes before baking.



6) Baking: After about 30 minutes, use a giant spatula or pizza peel to transfer the pizzas and parchment to your hot oven stone; or place the pizzas and parchment on a pan, and place the pan on the middle rack of your oven.



7) Bake for 6 minutes (for a thinner, larger crust), or for up to 8 minutes for a smaller/thicker crust. Remove from the oven.



To enjoy pizza right away, top it with your favorite toppings, return to an upper rack of the oven (not to the stone), and bake for an additional 8 minutes, or until the crust is golden brown and the filling bubbly.


9) To serve pizzas some other time, remove the parchment, cool the un-topped crusts, wrap them well in plastic wrap, and store at room temperature for 2 or 3 days. Refrigerate for up to 5 days; or freeze for up to 4 weeks.


10) When you’re ready to serve, remove the crusts from the refrigerator or freezer. While they warm to room temperature, heat your oven to 450°F; frozen crusts should be taken out of the freezer and thawed earlier in the day; leave them in the bag, but leave the bag open as they thaw. Top crusts with your favorite toppings and place them on a parchment-lined or greased baking sheet, then on an upper rack of the oven. Bake the pizzas for 8 to 10 minutes, or until the crust is golden brown and the filling bubbly.


Your pizza will look like this:

[liltacobell]

I can give you the recipes if you like.  From there you can see what nutrients are in there.  I don`t have to check personally because I know what is what when I bake or cook as I make the entire thing.

Fast foods make it even easier for you.


Also, once you get into cooking and food, you will certainly know just by experience what is in a food down to the seasonings.  I love going to restaurants and deconstructing their dishes by taste, then going home and duplicating them.

once again i ask....what is your "PRINCIPLE"....i have a method for my competetiors diets, but its more of an ideal.....my only principle is muscle preservation and fat loss ??

[Deicide]

You have to meet you protein needs somehow, no doubt about it. I just do it with a big whey shake so I don't have to worry about it.

Are you aware that TA has claimed to be a graduate of Duke or UNC Chapel Hill?

[The True Adonis]

Again you miss my point.  First, a large domino's pizza has well over 2000 calories in it.  Do the math, at over 300 calories a slice, the pizza will have well over 2000 cals.
Say you ate the whole pizza and your cookies, what then?  You still have to account for how many calories you are eating in a day and not go over your base rate if you are maintaining or deficit.  I am not saying you are wrong in that you can eat what you want while staying within your guidelines, but you still need to stay within a set caloric level to loose body fat.  

Hope this helps:

http://www.dominos.com/home/menu/calometer.jsp

[dr.chimps]

Are you aware that TA has claimed to be a graduate of Duke or UNC Chapel Hill?

LOL. You've got a bone and you're not letting go, eh?   

[Cleanest Natural]

furthermore, having written a cook book for bodybuilders, i am WELL aware of what the fuck i put an dont put in a dish.....and i dont regulate my competetiors sodium, so my recepies are lean, yet most tasty....

ADONIS + wavy fucking owned

I knew there are people with common sense around here

hey lil' I cook as a hobby and constantly experiment with new tasty recipes for healthy food

here's one I made up :

1 trout boiled in water with 2 large tomatoes and 1/2 a lemon

when done, put the tomatoes under cold water and peel

mix the puls with olive oil salt and lots of crushed garlic

peel the meat of the bones and mixitin the mixture ...serve

yummy shit ( good diet food )

[Tapeworm]

Yeast does all the work.  I usually make a starter or a poolish or biga and let it sit overnight or rest in the fridge for a few days to ferment after the first rise.

Here is my favorite recipe at the moment and I can assure you it turns out EVERY time.

7 1/4 ounces King Arthur Unbleached All-Purpose Flour
7 1/4 ounces semolina*
1/4 ounce Pizza Dough Flavor (optional, but delicious)
1 teaspoon instant yeast
1 1/4 teaspoons salt
7/8 ounce olive oil
9 to 10 ounces lukewarm water


*Use 3 cups all-purpose flour in place of the all-purpose/semolina mixture, if desired
Toppings
tomato sauce, cooked meats, vegetables, and cheeses of your choice
Directions


1) Dough: Mix and knead together all of the dough ingredients, by hand, mixer or bread machine, till you’ve created a smooth, soft dough. Don’t over-knead the dough; it should hold together, but can still look fairly rough on the surface.



2) Allow the dough to rise, covered, for 45 minutes; then refrigerate it for 4 hours (or up to 36 hours); this step will develop the crust’s flavor. It'll continue to rise in the fridge, so make sure it's in a big enough bowl.



3) Divide the dough in half.



4) Working with one piece of dough at a time, pick it up and let gravity gently stretch it into an oval. For a more circular shape, move your hands around the perimeter of the dough as it stretches. For thin-crust pizza, make a 12" round or oval. For thick-crust, make a 9" round.


5) Cover the dough, and let it rest while you heat your oven to 450°F. For thickest crust, let your 9" round pizza rest/rise for 60 minutes before baking.



6) Baking: After about 30 minutes, use a giant spatula or pizza peel to transfer the pizzas and parchment to your hot oven stone; or place the pizzas and parchment on a pan, and place the pan on the middle rack of your oven.



7) Bake for 6 minutes (for a thinner, larger crust), or for up to 8 minutes for a smaller/thicker crust. Remove from the oven.



To enjoy pizza right away, top it with your favorite toppings, return to an upper rack of the oven (not to the stone), and bake for an additional 8 minutes, or until the crust is golden brown and the filling bubbly.


9) To serve pizzas some other time, remove the parchment, cool the un-topped crusts, wrap them well in plastic wrap, and store at room temperature for 2 or 3 days. Refrigerate for up to 5 days; or freeze for up to 4 weeks.


10) When you’re ready to serve, remove the crusts from the refrigerator or freezer. While they warm to room temperature, heat your oven to 450°F; frozen crusts should be taken out of the freezer and thawed earlier in the day; leave them in the bag, but leave the bag open as they thaw. Top crusts with your favorite toppings and place them on a parchment-lined or greased baking sheet, then on an upper rack of the oven. Bake the pizzas for 8 to 10 minutes, or until the crust is golden brown and the filling bubbly.


Your pizza will look like this:

No 00 flour?!  You cretin!

[lvtolft]

You have to meet you protein needs somehow, no doubt about it. I just do it with a big whey shake so I don't have to worry about it.

I commend you on how you look.  You are lean and you do what works for you.  Everyone is different.  Not everyone has the self control to eat certain foods and limit what they eat.  I know clients that just have to eat the whole bag of chips if they start it.  Even though, they could lose weight by having chips in their diet, if they regulated amounts.

When losing fat, you cannot truly eat whatever you want.  There has to be limitations and rules to achieve the results you want.  Also, people respond differently to diets as their bodies respond differently to the macro nutrients.  I would never tell someone this worked for me so it has to work for you.  Your body type and personality might be best suited for this type of nutrition, but is certainly not the best or only way.  Too many variables in humans.

[The True Adonis]

Here is a step by step Blog for the Pizza if anyone is interested.

King Arthur is by far the best!

http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/2009/03/22/just-in-time-pizza/

[liltacobell]

Hope this helps:

http://www.dominos.com/home/menu/calometer.jsp

dude...my point....hand tossed pepperoni is 297 per 1/8 of a damn pie!!!

now i quit at a masters level but that is 2376 cals dick!!

[The True Adonis]

furthermore, having written a cook book for bodybuilders, i am WELL aware of what the fuck i put an dont put in a dish.....and i dont regulate my competetiors sodium, so my recepies are lean, yet most tasty....

No offense, but a cookbook for bodybuilders is a little pointless since any recipe can be worked in and used.

I have a feeling your cookbook pales in comparison to anything on the James Beard list.

[Tapeworm]

Here is a step by step Blog for the Pizza if anyone is interested.

King Arthur is by far the best!

http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/2009/03/22/just-in-time-pizza/

I have heard excellent reviews of their products.  TA might not be completely full of shit here.

[The True Adonis]

dude...my point....hand tossed pepperoni is 297 per 1/8 of a damn pie!!!

now i quit at a masters level but that is 2376 cals dick!!

Um, why must you eat the whole pizza in one sitting?

Um, why can`t you order a 12 inch if you feel the need to eat the whole thing?

Um, why can`t you eat 3 or 4 slices then eat other things in the day?


You have an all or nothing mentality and I think that is the problem here.