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1993 was his best yr...1998 was good, but his shape, sharpness was all there in 1993, then the car crash in 1994 made him want to over compensate.
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93 flex ...best bb past arnold
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93 flex ...best bb past arnold
Dorian 95 > *
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Dorian 95 > *
Had Flex been his 1993 Arnold Classic shape, even ND would agree, Flex would have won.
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Had Flex been his 1993 Arnold Classic shape, even ND would agree, Flex would have won.
No way. 1993 and 1995 Dorian destroys any version of Flex. He had too much muscle, size, thickness and hardness compared to Flex, who is narrow and had a weak rear lat spread (poor width).
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No way. 1993 and 1995 Dorian destroys any version of Flex. He had too much muscle, size, thickness and hardness compared to Flex, who is narrow and had a weak rear lat spread.
thanks for saving me the effort
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No way. 1993 and 1995 Dorian destroys any version of Flex. He had too much muscle, size, thickness and hardness compared to Flex, who is narrow and had a weak rear lat spread (poor width).
hmmm bro , size does not equal a champion if it does not flow..Flex would of been the most geneticly gifted and visual looking bodybuilders in history..its a shame he landed in an era when freaky mass ruled.
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Good rear delts in '98 haha quite embarrasing now we know he was shooting shit into them.
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hmmm bro , size does not equal a champion if it does not flow
I agree, but you can't say that about Dorian, who wasn't lacking in anything except for his biceps (and even then, only post-tear). Flex was maybe 10% off (or less) his 93 AC form in the 93 Mr Olympia and he himself said Dorian was "untouchable". Flex is "pretty" to look at in his 93 AC form, but has a lot of weaknesses - not much thickness from the sides (although he posed in such a way as to hide that defect), narrow shoulders, lats disappearing in the abs and thigh pose, lack of width in the rear lat spread and arms that were a little too big for his torso, although I'm just nitpicking there.
There's a reason Dorian dominated like no other Mr Olympia did and that was during what everyone agrees was the time when the standard of competition was at it's highest. He had too much of an edge in size, density, thickness and width for Flex to compete. That's why nearly all of the guys (except Nasser post 96) were defeated mentally before they even stepped onstage against him.
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Good rear delts in '98 haha quite embarrasing now we know he was shooting shit into them.
yes i was going to write a note about this :)
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Dorian 95 > *
:D ::)
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I agree, but you can't say that about Dorian, who wasn't lacking in anything except for his biceps (and even then, only post-tear). Flex was maybe 10% off (or less) his 93 AC form in the 93 Mr Olympia and he himself said Dorian was "untouchable". Flex is "pretty" to look at in his 93 AC form, but has a lot of weaknesses - not much thickness from the sides (although he posed in such a way as to hide that defect), narrow shoulders, lats disappearing in the abs and thigh pose, lack of width in the rear lat spread and arms that were a little too big for his torso, although I'm just nitpicking there.
There's a reason Dorian dominated like no other Mr Olympia did and that was during what everyone agrees was the time when the standard of competition was at it's highest. He had too much of an edge in size, density, thickness and width for Flex to compete. That's why nearly all of the guys (except Nasser post 96) were defeated mentally before they even stepped onstage against him.
You are indeed correct , I admire Dozza , his work ethic and drive is/was unmatched but comming from a perspective of the promotion of bodybuilding as to where it came from , its roots so to speak then Dorian would not win.
All you need to do is show someone who has nothing to do with bodybuilding both of there pics and there would be the answer , wow to kenny and yuck to dorian..
You call it "pretty" but this is what bodybuilding was based on , in the greek age where our "sport" began not mass at all costs..
Dorian winning a symerterry round at the olympia is as bad as havin a pms woman in charge of a nuke ;D
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You are indeed correct , I admire Dozza , his work ethic and drive is/was unmatched but comming from a perspective of the promotion of bodybuilding as to where it came from , its roots so to speak then Dorian would not win.
All you need to do is show someone who has nothing to do with bodybuilding both of there pics and there would be the answer , wow to kenny and yuck to dorian..
You call it "pretty" but this is what bodybuilding was based on , in the greek age where our "sport" began not mass at all costs..
Dorian winning a symerterry round at the olympia is as bad as havin a pms woman in charge of a nuke ;D
Yes, Dorian vs Flex = apples vs oranges.
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Yes, Dorian vs Flex = apples vs oranges.
Add to the fact im pissed as a death mute liolol
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You are indeed correct , I admire Dozza , his work ethic and drive is/was unmatched but comming from a perspective of the promotion of bodybuilding as to where it came from , its roots so to speak then Dorian would not win.
All you need to do is show someone who has nothing to do with bodybuilding both of there pics and there would be the answer , wow to kenny and yuck to dorian..
You call it "pretty" but this is what bodybuilding was based on , in the greek age where our "sport" began not mass at all costs..
Dorian winning a symerterry round at the olympia is as bad as havin a pms woman in charge of a nuke ;D
Yeah theres no way he should have won the symmetry round at all.
Dorians reign ended the days of the aesthetic physique, after that it was all about GH and mass. He was a pioneer of upping the dose but ended up pushing the sport in the wrong direction IMO, I miss the days of small waists and vacuum poses.
But then Dexter J did just win the O so I guess there is always hope.
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Yeah theres no way he should have won the symmetry round at all.
Dorians reign ended the days of the aesthetic physique, after that it was all about GH and mass. He was a pioneer of upping the dose but ended up pushing the sport in the wrong direction IMO, I miss the days of small waists and vacuum poses.
But then Dexter J did just win the O so I guess there is always hope.
Dexter lacks that somthing special though , the man has payed his dues no doubt but to me he is damm to short to be the best built man in the world
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Dexter lacks that somthing special though , the man has payed his dues no doubt but to me he is damm to short to be the best built man in the world
I agree, but I choose to see his win as the start of something positive, and by that I mean the marking down of guys who's intestines are so swollen and enlarged that they look pregnant (yuck).
Hey a BB fan can dream....
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I agree, but I choose to see his win as the start of something positive, and by that I mean the marking down of guys who's intestines are so swollen and enlarged that they look pregnant (yuck).
Hey a BB fan can dream....
Good post 8)
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Dorian 95 > *
sorry, torn bi.
by definition, not dorian's, or anyone's, best ever..
dorian looked way better in 93 than in 95.
dorian 95 :-\
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kenny had some problems of his own.........
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There's a reason Dorian dominated like no other Mr Olympia did
yes, when you have judges that say his torn bi 'made no difference', what do you expect?
he could have been 400 pounds and fat and the judges still would have looked the other way..
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Dorian winning a symerterry round at the olympia is as bad as havin a pms woman in charge of a nuke ;D
If by symmetry you mean aesthetics, then maybe you have a point (subjective). But symmetry isn't aesthetics really. Like kiwiol said Wheeler lacked some bodyparts and the symmetry wasn't great (arms oversized compared to torso for example). Block Wheeler's arms in a shot and you see his pecs and back are those of a middleweight's.
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yes, when you have judges that say his torn bi 'made no difference', what do you expect?
he could have been 400 pounds and fat and the judges still would have looked the other way..
Get the quote right moron , it's ' Made no OVERALL difference " and it didn't like Ronnie's shit calves made no OVERALL difference compared to the guys he compete against
he could have been 298 pounds and fat oppssssss that's Ronnie 2004 and the judges looked the other way ;)
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Dorian winning a symerterry round at the olympia is as bad as havin a pms woman in charge of a nuke
I would say so: :-\
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Get the quote right moron , it's ' Made no OVERALL difference " and it didn't like Ronnie's shit calves made no OVERALL difference compared to the guys he compete against
he could have been 298 pounds and fat oppssssss that's Ronnie 2004 and the judges looked the other way ;)
As always Dorian wins again ;D
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I would say so: :-\
You would say so because you don't have the first clue on how contests are judged which is exactly the reason why you claimed Dorian was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time and he lots the 1993 Mr Olympia
Let me teach you once again dummy , ALL ROUNDS ARE PHYSIQUE ROUNDS this means that the ' symmetry round ' symmetry is NOT I repeat NOT judged as a separate entity , muscular bulk , balance development , density , dryness . posing , presentation are ALL judged as once the same applies in the ' muscularity round ' as well
so while some guys met part of that criteria better than Dorian , they didn't meet ALL of it better which is exactly why and how Dorian never lost a single symmetry round despite not being the most ' symmetrical ' or why he never lost the posing rounds despite not being the best poser
That's how it work consider yourself schooled ( again ) ;)
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Nasser should have won the 98 AC.
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You are indeed correct , I admire Dozza , his work ethic and drive is/was unmatched but comming from a perspective of the promotion of bodybuilding as to where it came from , its roots so to speak then Dorian would not win.
All you need to do is show someone who has nothing to do with bodybuilding both of there pics and there would be the answer , wow to kenny and yuck to dorian..
You call it "pretty" but this is what bodybuilding was based on , in the greek age where our "sport" began not mass at all costs..
Dorian winning a symerterry round at the olympia is as bad as havin a pms woman in charge of a nuke ;D
You think Flex meets the Greek Ideal? of having the calves , arms and neck exactly the same size? they don't judge contests on the Greek Ideal if that were the case very few people would be champions .
Dorian wasn't mass for mass sake because he could have compete in 1993 at 269 pounds plus ! if he wanted to if that were the case Art Atwood would me a multiple Mr Olympia winner , he was more than size
and as far as the symmetry round is concerned see above on how contests are judged and then you'll understand how he did win those rounds
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Nasser should have won the 98 AC.
Why do you feel he should have?
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You would say so because you don't have the first clue on how contests are judged which is exactly the reason why you claimed Dorian was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time and he lots the 1993 Mr Olympia
Yep. It's obvious Hulkster doesn't really know how bodybuilding contests are judged and how the points are awarded for each round. Only thing he does know is posting the same bunch of pics endlessly (it's always bad pics of Dorian in transition or backstage or doing the front double bis from the waist up vs sharpened pics of Ronnie from the 99 Olympia and 2001 AC fully hitting a pose from a flattering angle) and talking about crap that has no basis in reality (like Dorian winning because he blew Joe Weider or whatever).
Good thing we've got you patiently schooling him on every single mistake of his everytime and setting the record straight ;D
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Nasser should have won the 98 AC.
NASSER = NO BACK
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Yep. It's obvious Hulkster doesn't really know how bodybuilding contests are judged and how the points are awarded for each round. Only thing he does know is posting the same bunch of pics endlessly (it's always bad pics of Dorian in transition or backstage or doing the front double bis from the waist up vs sharpened pics of Ronnie from the 99 Olympia and 2001 AC fully hitting a pose from a flattering angle) and talking about crap that has no basis in reality (like Dorian winning because he blew Joe Weider or whatever).
Good thing we've got you patiently schooling him on every single mistake of his everytime and setting the record straight ;D
Great post ! smart man ;D
I'm glad intelligent people on here can see him for what he is and that's ignorant idiot
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Great post ! smart man ;D
I'm glad intelligent people on here can see him for what he is and that's ignorant idiot
Dorian wins again ;D
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Dorian wins again ;D
Great post ! smart man ;D
Dorian always won even when he was off he was still better than everyone
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Great post ! smart man ;D
Dorian always won even when he was off he was still better than everyone
That's taking it a little far now, don't you think? ;)
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Bottom line Dorian out massed everyone for years, had decent symmetry and cuts no one stood a chance. He set a new standard. :o
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That's taking it a little far now, don't you think? ;)
not really it's true 97 could have or should have been close and perhaps he should have lost that one but every other contest was NO contest 1994 included
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its funny, Flowerboy rambles on, totally oblivious to the fact that the 13th place competitor in 1994 is totally owning his hero in that relaxed comparsion...LMAO
you would never see that happening to Ronnie, thats for sure.
says alot about dorian's post tear presentations, doesnt it? lol
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Yep. It's obvious Hulkster doesn't really know how bodybuilding contests are judged and how the points are awarded for each round. Only thing he does know is posting the same bunch of pics endlessly (it's always bad pics of Dorian in transition or backstage or doing the front double bis from the waist up vs sharpened pics of Ronnie from the 99 Olympia and 2001 AC fully hitting a pose from a flattering angle) and talking about crap that has no basis in reality (like Dorian winning because he blew Joe Weider or whatever).
Good thing we've got you patiently schooling him on every single mistake of his everytime and setting the record straight ;D
wait, do you work at the flower shop with ND? lol ;D
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Flex is one of those bodybuilders who looks exactly the same year after year. The only "improvement" Flex did from contests he looked shitty to the ones he looked great was shed the film of water under his skin. Flex stopped evolving in terms of muscular development when he turned pro. Or maybe when he was a top amateur.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dorian wasn't mass for mass sake because he could have compete in 1993 at 269 pounds plus ! if he wanted to if that were the case Art Atwood would me a multiple Mr Olympia winner , he was more than size
Seriously could you provide a link or source where Dorian says that he chose to lose muscle and come in lighter in 93 then he could have? Because I've never heard of a Bodybuilder going "Damn I've got too much muscle." before a contest ever, it's usually the exact opposite.
I seem to recall Dorian saying he had made mistakes in 93 and it wasn't a good example of his potential and he would be even bigger in 94.
But if I'm wrong does that mean he also "decided" to come in smaller in 96 then he had been in years? Or was that just a precontest screw up because he looked huge in his training video before the contest.
And I can't believe he would "choose" to look like this.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2008/dorian_yates_training_insight_f.jpg)
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its funny, Flowerboy rambles on, totally oblivious to the fact that the 13th place competitor in 1994 is totally owning his hero in that relaxed comparsion...LMAO
In your opinion only, not according to actual judging, which is what determines contests. Big difference, though you seem utterly oblivious to this fact. The only owning that took place during Dorian's reign, was him owning Sandow trophies.
Funny, how yet again a thread whose title has nothing to do with Dorian, degrades into your personal stomping ground to slam Yates. ::)
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its funny, Flowerboy rambles on, totally oblivious to the fact that the 13th place competitor in 1994 is totally owning his hero in that relaxed comparsion...LMAO
you would never see that happening to Ronnie, thats for sure.
says alot about dorian's post tear presentations, doesnt it? lol
The relaxed comparison doesn't win entire contests I could care less who beat him in this shot who beat him in ALL shots and you missed the point even in that standing relaxed Dorian still has advantages because all rounds are physique rounds
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wait, do you work at the flower shop with ND? lol ;D
Why, do you want to send Ronnie some flowers again?
Remember that the judge warned you against doing that (among many things) when he approved the restraining order Ronnie filed against you ;D
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Bottom line Dorian out massed everyone for years, had decent symmetry and cuts no one stood a chance. He set a new standard. :o
Again :o
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Seriously could you provide a link or source where Dorian says that he chose to lose muscle and come in lighter in 93 then he could have? Because I've never heard of a Bodybuilder going "Damn I've got too much muscle." before a contest ever, it's usually the exact opposite.
I seem to recall Dorian saying he had made mistakes in 93 and it wasn't a good example of his potential and he would be even bigger in 94.
But if I'm wrong does that mean he also "decided" to come in smaller in 96 then he had been in years? Or was that just a precontest screw up because he looked huge in his training video before the contest.
And I can't believe he would "choose" to look like this.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian_yates_interview_1993_gym_shots.htm
[ Q ] The black and white gym photos that were taken of you in 1993 showed a drastic improvement in muscle size compared to 1992, the year you set a new standard for mass and conditioning. What changes had you made to your training program and diet to progress this fast?
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Everybody wants to know what I did that year, whether it was something special with training or, more likely some special drugs - that's what the usual conclusion is. It wasn't either of those, although my training did change a little bit - I did cut back on the volume slightly.
The main thing was, I was really still learning how to prepare for a contest and I made a point of recording everything I did and also took pictures every week going into the show (the 1993 Mr. Olympia). What I realized is that for '92 I was in great shape but I was near enough in that shape five or six weeks before the contest and kept coming down in bodyweight, wanting to get harder.
What I realized was happening was that I was just about as hard as I was going to get anyway. And if you are losing more weight at that point, what are you losing? I came to the conclusion that I was losing muscle. Although I was big and shredded in '92, I was competing well below my potential so, with that knowledge and all of my records, I decided the following year I would try to avoid that, basically the over dieting.
and that pic is from 1996 it's not great quality , this is 1996 as well I'm guessing he came in flat who knows why made it was a ' screw up ' but he was still hard as nails
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The relaxed comparison doesn't win entire contests I could care less who beat him in this shot who beat him in ALL shots and you missed the point even in that standing relaxed Dorian still has advantages because all rounds are physique rounds
yup.. all round are physique rounds
and in all rounds the judges looked the other way when it came to your hero.
hope this helps NarcisissticDaisy
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Flex is one of those bodybuilders who looks exactly the same year after year. The only "improvement" Flex did from contests he looked shitty to the ones he looked great was shed the film of water under his skin. Flex stopped evolving in terms of muscular development when he turned pro. Or maybe when he was a top amateur.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
This is very true 1993 was as good as he ever was after that was a struggle to come in anywhere near what he was , great post.
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and that pic is from 1996 it's not great quality , this is 1996 as well I'm guessing he came in flat who knows why made it was a ' screw up ' but he was still hard as nails
lol your delusion is incredible.
this is not 'hard as nails' in anyone's book:
96 was a bad year for your hero.
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This is very true 1993 was as good as he ever was after that was a struggle to come in anywhere near what he was , great post.
93 Flex at the AC was awesome. its too bad (and lucky for dorian) that he never duplicated this shape ever again..
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yup.. all round are physique rounds
and in all rounds the judges looked the other way when it came to your hero.
hope this helps NarcisissticDaisy
Well I can always count on you crying the old politics game when you can not counter with facts ;)
and yet Ronnie escaped these politics lol hypocrite I own you and your retard logic keep trying to attack my profession in some weak attempt at diverting from the topic , I will always bright you right back to your ignorance ;D
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lol your delusion is incredible.
this is not 'hard as nails' in anyone's book:
96 was a bad year for your hero.
lmfao you know what about density? you're the same moron who insisted Ronnie Coleman was ' grainier ' than Dorian ever was , you know nothing
Dorian's problem was never his conditioning
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hmmm bro , size does not equal a champion if it does not flow..Flex would of been the most geneticly gifted and visual looking bodybuilders in history..its a shame he landed in an era when freaky mass ruled.
"Visual Looking" - well said
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lmfao you know what about density? you're the same moron who insisted Ronnie Coleman was ' grainier ' than Dorian ever was , you know nothing
Dorian's problem was never his conditioning
epic ignoring of the shots from 96 grand prix shows..lol ::)
you say conditioning was never his problem.
well, he certainly had a problem at the 96 GP shows:
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Well I can always count on you crying the old politics game when you can not counter with facts
you havent countered the mountain of pics.
those are all the facts we need.
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Hulkster, if you are going to claim Dorian had poor conditioning, at least don't post pics that show the exact opposite ;D
Conditioning is a major factor that sometimes makes the guy with the better structure lose to a guy with an inferior structure, if the latter has more of it than the former. That is why Gunther beat Ronnie in 2002.
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Hulkster, if you are going to claim Dorian had poor conditioning, at least don't post pics that show the exact opposite ;D
Conditioning is a major factor that sometimes makes the guy with the better structure lose to a guy with an inferior structure, if the latter has more of it than the former. That is why Gunther beat Ronnie in 2002.
Damn spot on kiwi
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Hulkster, if you are going to claim Dorian had poor conditioning, at least don't post pics that show the exact opposite ;D
Conditioning is a major factor that sometimes makes the guy with the better structure lose to a guy with an inferior structure, if the latter has more of it than the former. That is why Gunther beat Ronnie in 2002.
Ouch Hulkster just got bitch slapped lol
he constantly posts pics and says ' see ' when it proves how little he knows
Hulkster = the king of backfires
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you havent countered the mountain of pics.
those are all the facts we need.
Oh you mean the unhanced screencaps compared to the youtube screengrabs LMFAO
Hulkster pics are useless compared to actually being there and you've yet to find me a single person who claims Ronnie was better conditioned than Dorian and Dorian's conditioning was lacking , his density & dryness weren't his problems it was tears
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epic ignoring of the shots from 96 grand prix shows..lol ::)
you say conditioning was never his problem.
well, he certainly had a problem at the 96 GP shows:
How can I ignore a pic from the grand prix show when in fact I already posted one?
owned ;)
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What I realized was happening was that I was just about as hard as I was going to get anyway. And if you are losing more weight at that point, what are you losing? I came to the conclusion that I was losing muscle. Although I was big and shredded in '92, I was competing well below my potential so, with that knowledge and all of my records, I decided the following year I would try to avoid that, basically the over dieting.
and that pic is from 1996 it's not great quality , this is 1996 as well I'm guessing he came in flat who knows why made it was a ' screw up ' but he was still hard as nails
So he realised that he overdieted in 92 and wouldn't make that mistake in 93. Why then did he drop so much weight from those black and white shots to when he stepped on stage, did he screw up again? Because he doesn't say that he lost that muscle on purpose.
And I knew that pic was from 96, I just wanted to know why he was so small since you seem to think he chooses to be for some reason.
Even his side tri which was one of his best poses looks bad compared to previous years.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2008/dorian_yates_training_insight_c.jpg)
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So he realised that he overdieted in 92 and wouldn't make that mistake in 93. Why then did he drop so much weight from those black and white shots to when he stepped on stage, did he screw up again? Because he doesn't say that he lost that muscle on purpose.
And I knew that pic was from 96, I just wanted to know why he was so small since you seem to think he chooses to be for some reason.
Even his side tri which was one of his best poses looks bad compared to previous years.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2008/dorian_yates_training_insight_c.jpg)
I'm not sure about 1996 he was flat particularly in the quads and maybe he tried to come in smaller to try and counterbalance his gut and appear more streamline who knows but he realized he was way to small in 1996 which is why he decided to compete at 270 in 1997
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part of why the tri pose looks bad is his conditioning is off compared to most years.
but you can't tell this to ND and his flower friends. they are in complete denial..
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Hulkster, if you are going to claim Dorian had poor conditioning, at least don't post pics that show the exact opposite
hahahaha
okay ;D
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hahahaha
okay ;D
Thanks for proving my point and conceding defeat , you always like to claim I run from you but yet here I am yet again OWNING the living fuck out of you ;)
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Seriously could you provide a link or source where Dorian says that he chose to lose muscle and come in lighter in 93 then he could have? Because I've never heard of a Bodybuilder going "Damn I've got too much muscle." before a contest ever, it's usually the exact opposite.
I seem to recall Dorian saying he had made mistakes in 93 and it wasn't a good example of his potential and he would be even bigger in 94.
But if I'm wrong does that mean he also "decided" to come in smaller in 96 then he had been in years? Or was that just a precontest screw up because he looked huge in his training video before the contest.
And I can't believe he would "choose" to look like this.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2008/dorian_yates_training_insight_f.jpg)
Dorian wasn't the only one who came in MUCH smaller than they were PRE-CONTEST. Levrone and Francois seemed to have both looked to be about 20 pounds lighter and FLAT. I believe that there was word of serious drug testing PRE-contest and so, losing size was the result of that. Dorian hit his peak in 1995 and it was only downhill from then onwards...
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I'm not sure about 1996 he was flat particularly in the quads and maybe he tried to come in smaller to try and counterbalance his gut and appear more streamline who knows but he realized he was way to small in 1996 which is why he decided to compete at 270 in 1997
Makes sense. It seems like he never hit his true potential because the years when he didn't overdiet he injured himself.
His left tricep in 96 already seemed to have started atrophying, I guess his torn bicep was creating imbalances at that point. Also the left side of his back seems to have less detail.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2008/dorian_yates_training_insight_i.jpg)
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most would say dorian was downhill from the tear onwards.
he was never the same after that. eg. even his good (untorn) arm looked bad post tear compared to how it looked pre tear.
his physique was never the same again from the moment that tear occured.
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the left side of his back seems to have less detail but that could be the lighting.
hello? its the lack of conditioning compared to most years that I have been showing!
you think I made this stuff up? 8)
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I remember having watched the 1993 Mr. Olympia on TSN here in Canada and the commentators were saying that Dorian was 275 pounds only a few weeks out and competing at that weight in Europe and they went on to say that he could have brought that physique to this stage and have been even more dominating than the 256-257 he chose to come in at...
Either way you look at it, he over-dieted AGAIN in 1993, by 12 to 19 pounds... Imagine what he would have looked like onstage at 270 pounds in 1993?
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most would say dorian was downhill from the tear onwards.
he was never the same after that. eg. even his good (untorn) arm looked bad post tear compared to how it looked pre tear.
his physique was never the same again from the moment that tear occured.
WRONG 1995 is considered his best contest showing besides 1993 he himself said he was better in 1995
keep striking out kid
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hello? its the lack of conditioning compared to most years that I have been showing!
you think I made this stuff up? 8)
lmfao lack of conditioning ::) now try and find the supplemental quote to back up that claims and good luck ;) oh wait you never once backed up any of your claims
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WRONG 1995 is considered his best contest showing besides 1993 he himself said he was better in 1995
keep striking out kid
lol his best showing with a horrible torn arm..
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please tell me your not ignorant enough to think that dorian was 'at his best' during a post tear contest LOL
I mean, I knew you know little, but this might take the cake!
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lmfao lack of conditioning ::) now try and find the supplemental quote to back up that claims and good luck ;) oh wait you never once backed up any of your claims
you don't need a 'supplemental quote' when you have a mountain of photographic proof. thats the point.
besides, there aren't that many reports and critiques of contests from almost 15 years ago, so your 'supplemental quote' that you seem to 'require' no doubt exists, but good luck finding it in 2009 on the web..
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lol his best showing with a horrible torn arm..
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please tell me your not ignorant enough to think that dorian was 'at his best' during a post tear contest LOL
I mean, I knew you know little, but this might take the cake!
He says so , Flex magazine says so but you'll take the best back quote and run with it but when they say something you don't like they suck HAHAHAHH hypocrite
his ARM wasn't torn his bicep was ;)
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his ARM wasn't torn his bicep was
and it made his arm look horrible, mangled, deformed and maggot infested LOL
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He says so , Flex magazine says so but you'll take the best back quote and run with it but when they say something you don't like they suck HAHAHAHH hypocrite
his ARM wasn't torn his bicep was ;)
do YOU agree with dorian that his (post tear) 95 showing was his best ever form?
don't dodge the question and run off to pick flowers like you always do.
anwer it. yes or no.
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you don't need a 'supplemental quote' when you have a mountain of photographic proof. thats the point.
besides, there aren't that many reports and critiques of contests from almost 15 years ago, so your 'supplemental quote' that you seem to 'require' no doubt exists, but good luck finding it in 2009 on the web..
a mountain of photographic proof ::) your photoshopped pics were proof too LMAFO
pictures are USELESS compared to actually being there live and in person which is why the judge contests in person and not from pics FAN-BOY ;)
those pics from 1996 are mediocre quality this is from ONE of the Grand Prix shows and Dorian is untouchable in terms of conditioning , you found a couple of ho-hum pics proves nothing except how desperate you are
these two pictures are from Ronnie 2001 ASC and the pic suck it most certainly doesn't mean this is how he looked , hell judging from these pics Ronnie doesn't look his career best but then again you're desperate and you think you're onto something and as usual you're not
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ND and Hulkster - have you 2 ever met in real life? How close do you live to each other? You 2 should meet sometime - share a beer.
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do YOU agree with dorian that his (post tear) 95 showing was his best ever form?
don't dodge the question and run off to pick flowers like you always do.
anwer it. yes or no.
I would agree with Yates his best showing at an Olympia was 1995 , or 1993 if you want to bitch about the torn bicep ( either version kicks the shit out of Ronnie ;) ) I think is best showing was 1993 precontest no tears 269 pounds outstanding conditioning and you're the one who runs when asked to provide proof and NOT post a pic and says ' see ' ;)
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ND and Hulkster - have you 2 ever met in real life? How close do you live to each other? You 2 should meet sometime - share a beer.
I don't drink ;D and I'm above hanging with morons
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and it made his arm look horrible, mangled, deformed and maggot infested LOL
yawn , you're always accused of carefully selecting pics to try and prove your point and as usual you always FAIL , same contest same arms
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yawn , you're always accused of carefully selecting pics to try and prove your point and as usual you always FAIL , same contest same arms
Exactly! If Huckster really felt Dorian's physique had no merit, he wouldn't try so hard to hand pick photos to post. I find it laughable that Huckster falls back on the "politics" reasoning for Dorian's many wins, yet is unable to provide sound logic as to why Dorian would have received such favoritism. I guess the magazines were in on it as well, as I can recall reading a number of contest reports by different scribes attesting to Dorian's dominance. One giant conspiracy, I guess.
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its so sad you guys think I "hand pick" photos when the reality is all the shots I post are indicitive of all dorian shots - most are contest pics straight from muscletime.
just because they show dorian not being as good as you think he is, well, thats no fault of mine.
thats the reality of the yatesian physique - overrated as they come..
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I don't drink ;D and I'm above hanging with morons
but not above working in a flowershop bwahahahaaha :-*
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Will you cocksuckers take this shit to another thread? I swear to god if I could kill you both right now I would pay to have it done...
:-X
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sorry, but ND the flowerboy ran away from the truce thread after being owned by me countless times.
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this is pretty sad. I haven't browsed these boards in a long time and now I surf over here and it is like a broken record. day after day, year after year. don't you guys get tired of this nonsense?
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Damn, this thread again turned into a Dorian v. Ronnie, and no talk really of Flex...
http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/view/4472/44/Flex-Wheeler.html (http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/view/4472/44/Flex-Wheeler.html)
http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/view/4458/44/Flex-Wheeler.html (http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/view/4458/44/Flex-Wheeler.html)
http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/view/4417/44/Flex-Wheeler.html (http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/view/4417/44/Flex-Wheeler.html)
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Nasser should have won the 98 AC.
sure thing bob!!.. nasser presented one of his best shapes on that day 8)
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he looked great from all angles :o
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flex looked like a kid beside him!!..
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fux looked clearly off!!.. dont know how they placed him 4th!!..
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;D
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sure thing bob!!.. nasser presented one of his best shapes on that day 8)
Nope, he had zero cuts to Flex, and Flex won the Most Muscular award as well i believe. Nasser was big dude but like Flex, looked best at a lighter weight. His shape, symmetry, and muscle bellies were inferior to Flex. Nasser could add weight far better and easier than Flex, but in the end, Flex had the better structure.
And as the pundits agree if FLex had appeared in his 1998 AC condition he would have won the 1998 Mr. O, which nullifies that Nasser should have won the AC.
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but not above working in a flowershop bwahahahaaha :-*
Show me where I ever claimed to work at a flower shop ;)
owned as usual I could work as a Wal-Mart greeter and I still know more about competitive bodybuilding then you
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sorry, but ND the flowerboy ran away from the truce thread after being owned by me countless times.
sorry I never ran from you or your bullshit , you keep making empty claims that have NO proof what so ever , I ran from nothing , I'm still here correcting your bullshit as usual , old news I nailed the coffin shut when Ronnie admitted he couldn't beat Dorian case closed ;) who follows who around now? if you were right and I were wrong you would be able to do what I did walk away ;) you prove me right everytime you follow me around
everyone one here can see I don't run from you , everyone see's that I make you my bitch with every post ;)
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sure thing bob!!.. nasser presented one of his best shapes on that day 8)
you need to learn how to scan pics , the quality leaves a lot to be desired , Flex was the clear winner and what's funny is in some shot you'd never know Nasser outweighs him by 50+ pounds
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again, a good thread hijacked by Nassers , dorians and ronnies boys. ::)
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you need to learn how to scan pics , the quality leaves a lot to be desired , Flex was the clear winner and what's funny is in some shot you'd never know Nasser outweighs him by 50+ pounds
Shit, the leel of detait and the split between Flex's quads and hams vs. Nasser's is very telling.
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Exactly! If Huckster really felt Dorian's physique had no merit, he wouldn't try so hard to hand pick photos to post. I find it laughable that Huckster falls back on the "politics" reasoning for Dorian's many wins, yet is unable to provide sound logic as to why Dorian would have received such favoritism. I guess the magazines were in on it as well, as I can recall reading a number of contest reports by different scribes attesting to Dorian's dominance. One giant conspiracy, I guess.
I'm glad everyone can see how stupid he is , he fears great pics of Dorian for a very good reason and he should .
it absolutely kills him that despite all the MD hoopla about how great Ronnie was he never dominated like Dorian did and even at his best was almost beaten by Flex and at less than his best was beaten by Jay , Gunther and almost lost to Kevin , he hates Dorian because he was better than Ronnie for years and he's reduced to trying to kill the messenger when it's the message he hates
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Shit, the leel of detait and the split between Flex's quads and hams vs. Nasser's is very telling.
holly shit, the size of nasser's quads vs. flex's is veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy telling ;)
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you need to learn how to scan pics , the quality leaves a lot to be desired , Flex was the clear winner and what's funny is in some shot you'd never know Nasser outweighs him by 50+ pounds
if you have more pic. from this contest plz post them..
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holly shit, the size of nasser's quads vs. flex's is veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy telling ;)
I'm glad you agree that Flex's look much bigger. Finally, you have come to your senses. Flex is the better bodybuilder.
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He had an awesome most muscular.
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/44/images/Flex_Wheeler_442.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/44/images/Flex_Wheeler_183.jpg)
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you need to learn how to scan pics , the quality leaves a lot to be desired , Flex was the clear winner and what's funny is in some shot you'd never know Nasser outweighs him by 50+ pounds
Nasser totally dwarfing and destroying narrow and site-injected Flex in these comparisons! :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=289757.0;attach=329546;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=289757.0;attach=329547;image)
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again, a good thread hijacked by Nassers , dorians and ronnies boys. ::)
Pick a side :)
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He had an awesome most muscular.
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/44/images/Flex_Wheeler_442.jpg)
Too narrow, this is an awesome most muscular
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and this is better than both of em! :P
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I'm glad you agree that Flex's look much bigger. Finally, you have come to your senses. Flex is the better bodybuilder.
I agree with you Flex's look bigger despite being much lighter that side chest Nasser doesn't look like he outweighs Flex
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Nasser totally dwarfing and destroying narrow and site-injected Flex in these comparisons! :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=289757.0;attach=329546;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=289757.0;attach=329547;image)
No he's not , not in the least and if anyone if dwarfing it's Fux on both of them
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I believe this is 96
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No he's not , not in the least and if anyone if dwarfing it's Fux on both of them
In the first pic Nasser is taking up more space even though he is further from the camera. The second is scaled more evenly and it's evident Nasser is much larger. His right quad is cut off due to lighting in the second pic.
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In the first pic Nasser is taking up more space even though he is further from the camera. The second is scaled more evenly and it's evident Nasser is much larger. His right quad is cut off due to lighting in the second pic.
He's most certainly not taking up more space sorry , not true and second pic he does look larger but not much larger certainly not the 50 plus pounds he is
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He's most certainly not taking up more space sorry , not true and second pic he does look larger but not much larger certainly not the 50 plus pounds he is
Agreed. Overall Flex wins.
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Agreed. Overall Flex wins.
Flex by armbar
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Flex by armbar
Damn!
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Even when further from the camera Nasser is still bigger and better than Flex.
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nasser is getting killed in that rear double bi shot.
but then again, he always does..
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Even when further from the camera Nasser is still bigger and better than Flex.
he should be bigger duh and better see above ;)
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he should be bigger duh and better see above ;)
Always clinging to the one bodypart where Flex was more detailed ::) Even in the shot you posted his hamstrings look soft next to Nasser's
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Always clinging to the one bodypart where Flex was more detailed ::) Even in the shot you posted his hamstrings look soft next to Nasser's
One bodypart? brachialis , triceps , infraspinatus , lats , teres major and minor , I mean shall I continue? see the back double biceps shot for a LOT of bodyparts more detailed and separated than Nasser
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see the back double biceps shot for a LOT of bodyparts more detailed and separated than Nasser
or any front shot for a LOT of bodyparts larger and more detailed then Wheeler
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or any front shot for a LOT of bodyparts larger and more detailed then Wheeler
more to a pose than bodyparts ;) larger doesn't equate to better at the expense of conditioning
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more to a pose than bodyparts ;) larger doesn't equate to better at the expense of conditioning
more to a pose than detail on a few isolated bodyparts ;) doesn't equate to better at the expense of size and symmetry
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more to a pose than detail on a few isolated bodyparts ;) doesn't equate to better at the expense of size and symmetry
I agree good thing the judges pick Flex as the superior bodybuilder ;)
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I agree good thing the judges pick Flex as the superior bodybuilder ;)
In some shows yes, and in others they did not ;)
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In some shows yes, and in others they did not ;)
Yeah just the contests Nasser wins are fair and when he loses it's fixed ::) great logic
in fact I don't think you ever admitted Nasser should have lost lol he was a great bodybuilder FROM THE FRONT
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I agree with you Flex's look bigger despite being much lighter that side chest Nasser doesn't look like he outweighs Flex
i am sure you are not serious!!.. it's also crystal clear that flex is closer to the camera,.. still nasser looks bigger..
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No he's not , not in the least and if anyone if dwarfing it's Fux on both of them
fux is much closer to the camera and this is why you cant see his feet :-\
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I believe this is 96
no this is 93 and 97..
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One bodypart? brachialis , triceps , infraspinatus , lats , teres major and minor , I mean shall I continue? see the back double biceps shot for a LOT of bodyparts more detailed and separated than Nasser
You can't tell the Nasserites anything, they cling to a inferior bodybuilder's backsise. If Arnold himself said Flex is the most genetically gifted bodybuilder, then where that leave Nasser...at Flex's feet and the contest show. The only thing Nasser has is that he was able to peak during Mr. O time, nothing else.
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I agree good thing the judges pick Flex as the superior bodybuilder ;)
Flex's arms and rear delts are already fake by the time that picture was taken. But I suppose Nasser was using oil around the same time too, so it's hard to say who's better. Flex has the back double bi, but poor lat spread, Nasser is the opposite.