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Arrested Harvard Prof Has 'Stupidly' Played the Race Card His Whole Life ( "race hustler" )
humanevents.com ^ | 07/27/2009 | Jack Thompson
Posted on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:42:28 AM by kellynla
In 1990 I served the federal court here in South Florida as amicus curiae (friend of the court) in the obscenity trial that determined Miami rap group 2 Live Crew’s album As Nasty As They Wanna Be was obscene and thus not protected by the First Amendment.
The verdict -- the first in world history that a sound recording was obscene -- was handed down by Jose A. Gonzalez, Jr., a liberal judge appointed by President Carter and who was hailed for his civil rights record by the ACLU and the rap group’s lawyer when the case was assigned to him.
Any successful effort to have the album declared not obscene had to rely upon the testimony of an expert brought in by the ACLU and the rap group’s lawyer. The expert’s name was Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr., the Harvard professor arrested this week in Cambridge, Mass., by police officers who President Obama last week at his press conference said, “acted stupidly.” Obama said this after he first said he didn't have all the facts. Does this make you wonder what else he is giving opinions on without "all the facts?"
With Gates’ shouted and now repeated assertions that the officer who arrested him is a “racist,” and the President's ignorant assertion that Gates, whom Obama knows, is a victim of “racial profiling,” what you the reader need to know is that the only racist in this situation is most likely Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. I should know.
At the 2 Live Crew trial, Gates testified that the rap album which describes gleefully the raping and beating of black women was on a par with the art found in Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales. The editorial policies of HUMAN EVENTS appropriately prevent me from sharing with you the sordid lyrics from that album, but I can tell you that when I appeared on Phil Donohue’s national television program with 2 Live Crew, one of the guests uttered just one line of the lyrics and the broadcast was immediately terminated all along the Eastern seaboard where it was airing live. This was art? Apparently the liberal network we were on didn’t think so.
At the trial, Gates explained to Judge Gonzalez that whites simply cannot comprehend the beauty and worth of such black art. He swore that the concerns about selling this pornographic album to adults and kids alike stemmed from white racism. Look online at Gates’ bio. His entire career is built upon the premise that whites are most likely racists and blacks are nearly always victims of those white racists. This guy plays the race card from a deck of 52 race cards.
You maybe had to be there at the trial to believe what you were hearing -- or maybe not. Judge Gonzalez found the race-centric testimony of Professor Gates to be utterly unbelievable and absurd, and he indicated just that in his 62-page opinion.
After the verdict, the NAACP’s Dr. Benjamin Hooks weighed in on the controversy and rebutted with one sentence everything Professor Gates has built a career upon: “2 Live Crew apparently doesn’t understand that celebrating the raping of black women is not entertainment, and it is not art.” The vast majority of the phone calls and letters I got thanking me for my efforts in getting this album declared obscene were from African American parents, and one call I shall never forget was from a teenaged black girl whose friend was raped by a gang who played the album on their boom box during the rape.
So, as you behold the unfolding of this controversy that now has trapped the White House, and you hear Professor Gates’ and his surrogates’ charges that white racism is why he was arrested, take this word of advice from someone who saw this academic weirdo close up: Consider the source.
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Not suprised, I saw jags post in another thread saying that if he had never been arrested then nobody would be talking about race at all. Which is complete and utter bullshit you can be sure this jack ass would be in his class ranting and raving about his run in with crowley.
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Not suprised, I saw jags post in another thread saying that if he had never been arrested then nobody would be talking about race at all. Which is complete and utter bullshit you can be sure this jack ass would be in his class ranting and raving about his run in with crowley.
Holder was right - we need a true debate on race.
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Shocking that Obama would be friends with such a guy.Do we see a trend here yet?
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Holder was right - we need a true debate on race.
i would welcome one but the fact is we cant have a "true" debate b/c the majority of African Americans cannot take responsibility and own up to their actions etc...and the majority of whites cannot believe that racism is still prevelant in todays society...
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i would welcome one but the fact is we cant have a "true" debate b/c the majority of African Americans cannot take responsibility and own up to their actions etc...and the majority of whites cannot believe that racism is still prevelant in todays society...
I dont agree.Whites know there is REAL racism in the country.The disparity in schools is just one.However,MOST WHITES dont think Don Imus or a cop arresting some loud mouth racist rises to a level of racism.It might be annoying stupidity,but its not racism,its not important and it means NOTHING to any black or whites life,yet ,you would think issues like Imus are the reason that blacks are suffering more unemployment then whites.
So,often,because there are so many cries of 'racism" whites become hardened to the real racism that exists.Its not that we dont see it,we just tend to say "who cares,they think EVERYTHING is racism".
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An honest discussion on race is impossible.
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An honest discussion on race is impossible.
No kidding. Look at what happened to Bill Cosby.
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No kidding. Look at what happened to Bill Cosby.
Racism exists in all cultures. I really don't believe that needs discussing. People do feel more comfortable around others they feel some commonality with. Some of that commonality being based upon looks makes sense but people should dig a little deeper and see who they're dealing with as a person.
I do believe we need to be more honest about the extent to which prejudice may affect our decisions.
We've come a point where discussing race is impossible without being called a racist.
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Racism exists in all cultures. I really don't believe that needs discussing. People do feel more comfortable around others they feel some commonality with. Some of that commonality being based upon looks makes sense but people should dig a little deeper and see who they're dealing with as a person.
I do believe we need to be more honest about the extent to which prejudice may affect our decisions.
We've come a point where discussing race is impossible without being called a racist.
There are good people and scumbags in every race.
We need to focus on the individual, not the race.
People need to be accountable for their individual actions and results, not the collectrive of the race they were born to.
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I dont agree.Whites know there is REAL racism in the country.The disparity in schools is just one.However,MOST WHITES dont think Don Imus or a cop arresting some loud mouth racist rises to a level of racism.It might be annoying stupidity,but its not racism,its not important and it means NOTHING to any black or whites life,yet ,you would think issues like Imus are the reason that blacks are suffering more unemployment then whites.
So,often,because there are so many cries of 'racism" whites become hardened to the real racism that exists.Its not that we dont see it,we just tend to say "who cares,they think EVERYTHING is racism".
agreed, but i garuntee you the majority of whites dont understand exactly how prevelant racism is even in their own lives much less the lives of those who suffer from the racism. Trust bro, im half japanese and half white most whites think im asian and most asians think im white racism is still very much alive and kicking in this country and i definitly see your point and alot of the BS ppl try to say is racism isnt really racism.
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Holder was right - we need a true debate on race.
What do you think a "true" debate on race would accomplish? People debate here everyday and a debate on race would follow the same trajectory. Everyone would come to the table with their own preconceived notions and use a bunch of anecdotal evidence to support them. There have been a bunch of race discussions here over the years and the final few pages always devolve into some pretty outrageous statements defended as "hard truths" that may sound politically incorrect but need to be said.
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What do you think a "true" debate on race would accomplish? People debate here everyday and a debate on race would follow the same trajectory. Everyone would come to the table with their own preconceived notions and use a bunch of anecdotal evidence to support them. There have been a bunch of race discussions here over the years and the final few pages always devolve into some pretty outrageous statements defended as "hard truths" that may sound politically incorrect but need to be said.
The hard truths to me are as follows:
1. Life is hard and sucks for most people regardless of race.
2. Blacks got screwed royally in our history and most young black kids are born into really screwed up conditions.
3. Lack of education and poor choices are far more important to a persons' lot in life than white racism.
4. Most schools in minority areas suck.
5. Working class whites are not much better off than working class blacks.
6. Many blacks are held down by their own prejudices and self limitations.
7. Black popular culture promotes piss poor examples of what most young people should aspire to (Thug Life, etc).
8. Most liberal whites are far more racist than redneck whites.
9. Blacks, and anyone else for that matter, will only succeed like other groups when they stop looking to the govt and democrat party for $$$$.
10. Govt programs do far more harm than help and promote a culture of poverty and dependency.
11. Many whites are far more racist in private than in public.
12. Many blacks are far more racist in private than in public.
13. Blacks commit far more violent crime than other groups, mostly on each other.
14. Race and Poverty pimps like Rev. al and Jesse promote a plantation mentality in too many people.
15. Most, if not all, whites do not realize what burdens black people have to deal with day to day.
16. True economic equality and improvement will take generations, not a few years.
17. Black males need tough black fathers, not overweight mammas with ten kids from 9 men.
18. Illegal aliens are the enemy of the minority trying to get work, not the friend.
19. No one is born wanting to be a gangsta.
20. The white liberal media promotes negative stereotypes of blacks for $$$.
These are just some off the top of my head.
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Some of those I agree with, some I don't. There's nothing particularly controversial about most of that list. The rest is just difference of opinion.
Where it would get controversial is if the discussion turned to the actual causes and extent of some of these issues.
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Some of those I agree with, some I don't. There's nothing particularly controversial about most of that list. The rest is just difference of opinion.
Where it would get controversial is if the discussion turned to the actual causes and extent of some of these issues.
To me, focusing on past causes is often where progress breaks down.
Look at the military and boot camp. It does not matter what color you are, at 5 am your ass is waking up and doing pt, etc. Race has nothing to do with hopping over the wall or hitting the target with the rifle.
Thats what im talking about. Get the job done and dont focus on past greievances.
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I don't totally agree with that, but it does make me even more curious as to what you think a "true" debate on race would accomplish.
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I don't totally agree with that, but it does make me even more curious as to what you think a "true" debate on race would accomplish.
Focusing on past grievances is usually what stops progress and where the resentment becomes built in. Why work and bust your ass when you think Whitey will keep you down regardless?
Look at immigrants to this country from Africa and the West Indies. Why is it that they succeed faster than domestic blacks?
I'll tell you, they dont harbor the resentments and grievances and focus of productiver things, by and large of course. Also, most I have met dont seek govt jobs and welfare.
Someone needs to tell it like it is. Otherwise, you are going to have another cylce of welfare dependency, and grievance.
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Focusing on past grievances is usually what stops progress and where the resentment becomes built in. Why work and bust your ass when you think Whitey will keep you down regardless?
Look at immigrants to this country from Africa and the West Indies. Why is it that they succeed faster than domestic blacks?
I'll tell you, they dont harbor the resentments and grievances and focus of productiver things, by and large of course. Also, most I have met dont seek govt jobs and welfare.
This is what I meant when I said we would differ when it came to the actual causes and extent of these issues.
Someone needs to tell it like it is. Otherwise, you are going to have another cylce of welfare dependency, and grievance.
And this is what I meant when I said a "true" race debate would be like all of the other debates on this board, a bunch of guys coming to the table arguing their preconceived notions.
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There are good people and scumbags in every race.
We need to focus on the individual, not the race.
People need to be accountable for their individual actions and results, not the collectrive of the race they were born to.
I like your posts so far, but by this logic, people with Down syndrome should be looked at as unique individuals rather than broadly looking at statistical trends and acknowledging those trends to determine how to relate to them.
Perhaps I should drive down the highway at twice the speed limit and assume that since certain individuals did not die while doing so, that I can then ignore the broad statistical trends.
Why not take your standard to its logical conclusion?
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what needs to happen is a conversation, not a debate...sorry doggity what 3333 wrote is true and while it certainly doesnt apply to alot of AA it does certainly apply to a good number of them. It also need to be understood by everybody that racism is prevelant in all our lives even those that dont believe that are racist probably do perform racist acts without realizing they are...like kaje said ppl like things that remind them of themselves and they have more in common with, so whites tend to hang with whites, blacks with blacks ever realize this? While on the surface this may seem a no brainer the reasoning behind it isnt and is on some level based on racism...I have a unique perspective being half and half and hanging with both asians and whites as well as just about every other race...Ive been called chink and cracker in different situations.
Racism in todays society isnt overt its very subtle and like I said at times looked at as normal behavior, that being said there will always be racism so ppl need to learn to deal with it and overcome it instead of using it as a crutch or reason to underachieve.
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agreed, but i garuntee you the majority of whites dont understand exactly how prevelant racism is even in their own lives much less the lives of those who suffer from the racism. Trust bro, im half japanese and half white most whites think im asian and most asians think im white racism is still very much alive and kicking in this country and i definitly see your point and alot of the BS ppl try to say is racism isnt really racism.
DING DING DING. We have a winner. ;D
The same goes for Mulattoes like Obama. Mulattoes are considered black by white people and white by black people and experience much more racism as a result. Yet their average IQ is exactly in the middle between black and white, exactly as genetic theory predicts.
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sorry doggity what 3333 wrote is true
Gee, thanks for letting me know. Now, I guess I have no choice but to agree with it ::)
so whites tend to hang with whites, blacks with blacks ever realize this? While on the surface this may seem a no brainer the reasoning behind it isnt and is on some level based on racism
This isn't racism. Yes, people do tend to have friends with the same skin color, but our friends also tend to dress like us, speak in a similar manner and have like backgrounds. If you see a group of young guys in New York, they are all likely to be dressed in the same way- whether it be prep/jock, alt-hip hop or emo- and use the same type of slang. There are exceptions, but these types of commonalities don't typically transcend race. Additionally, these types of commonalities aren't solely due to race. There are a lot of black guys at my gym, but when I joined I could immediately tell which "clique" I was going to be a part of. I didn't make any special effort to start a conversation with these guys, but just based on superficial stuff like their ages, the way they were dressed and their general fitness level, it seemed sort of inevitable that we would start hanging out. For the record, "the crew" consists of two white guys, three black guys- all similar professions, similar backgrounds, etc.
As for the rest of your post, I will just say that your ideas on race don't appear to be all that well thought-out. Your last post was very contradictory. Yet, you seem to be pretty adamant about what you believe. This is why I think any conversation or debate about race would just be a clusterfuck. It wouldn't be about trying to figure anything out. At best, it would just be saying what you've always felt, not coming to any realizations or understandings and, possibly, a little gratification when someone qft's you.
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I don't totally agree with that, but it does make me even more curious as to what you think a "true" debate on race would accomplish.
What issues, exactly, would that "true" debate on race accomplish?
Like you said, it really wouldn't figure much as most people have deep rooted notions and most likely won't change them. We've played this song far to many times on this board and the result is usually the same.
It may be more beneficial to just move the fuck on and chuck the race baiters overboard.
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What issues, exactly, would that "true" debate on race accomplish?
Like you said, it really wouldn't figure much as most people have deep rooted notions and most likely won't change them. We've played this song far to many times on this board and the result is usually the same.
It may be more beneficial to just move the fuck on and chuck the race baiters overboard.
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If we're going to drown them, ...can we waterboard them first? Just a peeny little bit?
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What issues, exactly, would that "true" debate on race accomplish?
Like you said, it really wouldn't figure much as most people have deep rooted notions and most likely won't change them. We've played this song far to many times on this board and the result is usually the same.
It may be more beneficial to just move the fuck on and chuck the race baiters overboard.
Bingo. Constantly dwelling on race makes it harder to move forward cooperatively.
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Bingo. Constantly dwelling on race makes it harder to move forward cooperatively.
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Maybe that's why we shouldn't dwell on it, ...but understand how it affects our lives, so we can move beyond it.
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Maybe that's why we shouldn't dwell on it, ...but understand how it affects our lives, so we can move beyond it.
Racism affects many people but I don't hear the same public outcry for other types of racism as I do when we hear about white/black relations. Even though the country elected Obama people still think everyone is racist.
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Race has no effect on my life what so ever, each person gets treated with common courtesy until they prove they don't deserve it. At that point it isn't because of the color of their skin its because they are an asshole.
IMHO the only people that constantly dwell on race are those who stand to gain something from it. Be it the Gates of the world or the KKK members, they all gain something from racism.
Where do you think people like Jesse Jackson would be with the issue of race? They don't want it to go away because it butters their bread.
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It may be more beneficial to just move the fuck on and chuck the race baiters overboard.
Of course, but that's as likely to happen as an honest conversation on race.
One thing to keep in mind is that the race baiters don't reside in one camp exclusively.
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DING DING DING. We have a winner. ;D
The same goes for Mulattoes like Obama. Mulattoes are considered black by white people and white by black people and experience much more racism as a result. Yet their average IQ is exactly in the middle between black and white, exactly as genetic theory predicts.
Another DUMB ASS POST by Matt C...
Mulattoes for the most part are considered black by black people. I know I have a lot in my family and went to school with alot of them.
And their average IQ is eactly in the middle between white and black...What sort of SHIT are you smoking? You make blanket statements that youknow nothing about, and use old south reasoning...so i guess light skin blacks are smarter than dark skinned ones? According to your supreme logic...
Matt you are the ultimate Dumb Fuck!
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Uncut: Gates Reacts to Incident
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Prof. Gates' daughter speaks out
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Race has no effect on my life what so ever, each person gets treated with common courtesy until they prove they don't deserve it. At that point it isn't because of the color of their skin its because they are an asshole.
You better think again. Race affects society. as a member of society, ...you are affected.
Whether those experiences are positive or negative can often be determined based on race. You're still affected.
IMHO the only people that constantly dwell on race are those who stand to gain something from it.
Gain something like... oh... I dunno... equitable treatment perhaps?
Ya know... like Rosa Parks did when she refused to give up her seat.
Like so many people who chose to boycott the Montgomery bus lines?
Be it the Gates of the world or the KKK members, they all gain something from racism.
As do those who enjoy the privileges racism provides for them...
They get to enjoy their priviledge without that nasty unsavoury part about wondering how they got so lucky.
Where do you think people like Jesse Jackson would be with the issue of race? They don't want it to go away because it butters their bread.
Neither do the many unconscious racists who benefit from the privileges racism in America provides them.
Real or Imagined? part 1
Real or Imagined? part 2
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There's something extremely disturbing about those clips. I wonder how many will notice it. :-\
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You better think again. Race affects society. as a member of society, ...you are affected.
Whether those experiences are positive or negative can often be determined based on race. You're still affected.
Gain something like... oh... I dunno... equitable treatment perhaps?
Ya know... like Rosa Parks did when she refused to give up her seat.
Like so many people who chose to boycott the Montgomery bus lines?
As do those who enjoy the privileges racism provides for them...
They get to enjoy their priviledge without that nasty unsavoury part about wondering how they got so lucky.
Neither do the many unconscious racists who benefit from the privileges racism in America provides them.
Real or Imagined? part 1
Real or Imagined? part 2
Gates makes his living off talking about race. Actually, this episode will get him a ton of street cred.
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Of course, but that's as likely to happen as an honest conversation on race.
One thing to keep in mind is that the race baiters don't reside in one camp exclusively.
I never said that they did. It is in the race baiter's objective, on both sides, to keep the fire burning. Lots of money, power, control, politics and TV time to be had.
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Its always funny when libs bring up Rosa Parks or some other civil rights even from 50 YEARS AGO!!!!Jesus,you people act as though blacks are still getting water hosed in the street.The vast majority of people go to work,try to raise their families and dont give a flying fuck about race untill some little sawed off runt like Gates or Wright throws it up in our face.
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You better think again. Race affects society. as a member of society, ...you are affected.
Whether those experiences are positive or negative can often be determined based on race. You're still affected.
The only reason race effects society is again because someone has somthing to gain from it. It is nothing more than that, weather it be power over another person, money, face time on the TV.........
Gain something like... oh... I dunno... equitable treatment perhaps?
Ya know... like Rosa Parks did when she refused to give up her seat.
Like so many people who chose to boycott the Montgomery bus lines?
Ok how far do you want to go back? I'm sure the Egyptians were pissed of when Moses led the Isrealites ( their slaves) to freedom.
And the Romans, holy shit can you imagine the outrage against Sparticus.
It's not 1960, its 2009
As do those who enjoy the privileges racism provides for them...
They get to enjoy their priviledge without that nasty unsavoury part about wondering how they got so lucky.
Neither do the many unconscious racists who benefit from the privileges racism in America provides them.
You know what cry me a fucking river, everybody has a sob story about how they were wronged somehow. You either rise above it or you become part of the problem.
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Gee, thanks for letting me know. Now, I guess I have no choice but to agree with it ::)
how about actually commenting on his comments and why you disapprove of them instead of simply ::), that is what a CONVERSATION is...maybe thats why you believe a conversation will do nothing especially if you act the way you do here...
This isn't racism. Yes, people do tend to have friends with the same skin color, but our friends also tend to dress like us, speak in a similar manner and have like backgrounds. If you see a group of young guys in New York, they are all likely to be dressed in the same way- whether it be prep/jock, alt-hip hop or emo- and use the same type of slang. There are exceptions, but these types of commonalities don't typically transcend race. Additionally, these types of commonalities aren't solely due to race. There are a lot of black guys at my gym, but when I joined I could immediately tell which "clique" I was going to be a part of. I didn't make any special effort to start a conversation with these guys, but just based on superficial stuff like their ages, the way they were dressed and their general fitness level, it seemed sort of inevitable that we would start hanging out. For the record, "the crew" consists of two white guys, three black guys- all similar professions, similar backgrounds, etc.
As for the rest of your post, I will just say that your ideas on race don't appear to be all that well thought-out. Your last post was very contradictory. Yet, you seem to be pretty adamant about what you believe. This is why I think any conversation or debate about race would just be a clusterfuck. It wouldn't be about trying to figure anything out. At best, it would just be saying what you've always felt, not coming to any realizations or understandings and, possibly, a little gratification when someone qft's you.
i think you should go back and reread my post i didnt say it was soley attributed to racism I said ON SOME LEVEL...and yes it is do a little research on the psychological studies done in this area and you will see that on some level racism plays a role in a large percentage of our decisions even though we may not know it...This is what needs to brought to ppls attention...and you sir are a prime example of why
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Racism affects many people but I don't hear the same public outcry for other types of racism as I do when we hear about white/black relations. Even though the country elected Obama people still think everyone is racist.
Electing a black president doesn't mean there's no racism, LOL! That's like saying Jerry Seinfeld getting a show means people should STFU about the Holocaust.
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Electing a black president doesn't mean there's no racism, LOL! That's like saying Jerry Seinfeld getting a show means people should STFU about the Holocaust.
It's not that there isn't any racism, but there are a lot less people racist against blacks than blacks would like to believe, especially since it wasn't just the black population that got Barry elected. BTW, I never hear Jews outright bitching about their past the way blacks do. Then again, you aren't racist unless you hate blacks so all other races shouldn't even worry about it. If you are an American, you are only racist if you make negative comments about an American who is black.
The sooner ANYONE stops playing the victim and works hard for what they want, the sooner we can stop bringing race into every decision in this country.
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how about actually commenting on his comments and why you disapprove of them instead of simply ::), that is what a CONVERSATION is...maybe thats why you believe a conversation will do nothing especially if you act the way you do here...
I stated the reasons I believe a conversation will do nothing. You don't have to guess.
i think you should go back and reread my post i didnt say it was soley attributed to racism I said ON SOME LEVEL...and yes it is do a little research on the psychological studies done in this area and you will see that on some level racism plays a role in a large percentage of our decisions even though we may not know it...This is what needs to brought to ppls attention...and you sir are a prime example of why
Actually, you should probably re-read my post. I addressed all of this, quite clearly. You seem to have misinterpreted it.
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I HAVE INFORMATION,,,STRAIGHT FROM MY FRIEND AT THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN WHO IS FREINDS WITH OBAMA,,,gates will have a new book out SOON TALKING ABOUT RACISM IN AMERICA IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED
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I HAVE INFORMATION,,,STRAIGHT FROM MY FRIEND AT THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN WHO IS FREINDS WITH OBAMA,,,gates will have a new book out SOON TALKING ABOUT RACISM IN AMERICA IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED
Normally I disregard your posts, but in this case, gates putting out a book on racism wouldn't surprise me one bit.
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Normally I disregard your posts, but in this case, gates putting out a book on racism wouldn't surprise me one bit.
What that would mean is that this whole mess was staged by Gates to garner attention and book sales. I would not be surprised either.
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What that would mean is that this whole mess was staged by Gates to garner attention and book sales. I would not be surprised either.
No, it wouldn't. It would just mean that he's capitalizing off of the fiasco.
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No, it wouldn't. It would just mean that he's capitalizing off of the fiasco.
I have no problem with that. Is it greedy and slimy? Yes. But that is captilism, even for people who dont like it.
Why not?
Palin is going to do it and I dont blame her one bit.
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I have no problem with that. Is it greedy and slimy? Yes. But that is captilism, even for people who dont like it.
Why not?
Palin is going to do it and I dont blame her one bit.
I don't even think it's greedy and slimy. There are how many pages of how many threads devoted to the issue on this board? Considering his job, why shouldn't he write about it?
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I don't even think it's greedy and slimy. There are how many pages of how many threads devoted to the issue on this board? Considering his job, why shouldn't he write about it?
Im not saying no, Im just saying I would not be surprised that Gates might be a closet capitilist even though he is probably a public socialist.
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Im not saying no, Im just saying I would not be surprised that Gates might be a closet capitilist even though he is probably a public socialist.
I haven't read anything about him being a public socialist. He has written several other books and been a part of various documentaries, so I don't think he's a closet capitalist, either.
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It's not that there isn't any racism, but there are a lot less people racist against blacks than blacks would like to believe, especially since it wasn't just the black population that got Barry elected. BTW, I never hear Jews outright bitching about their past the way blacks do. Then again, you aren't racist unless you hate blacks so all other races shouldn't even worry about it. If you are an American, you are only racist if you make negative comments about an American who is black.
The sooner ANYONE stops playing the victim and works hard for what they want, the sooner we can stop bringing race into every decision in this country.
You're hilarious!!
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You're hilarious!!
That was a pretty good one. The rest of his act could use a little work.
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Normally I disregard your posts, but in this case, gates putting out a book on racism wouldn't surprise me one bit.
YOU CAN ONLY IGNORE THE TRUTH SO LONG MY FRIEND,,,,then it hurts then you accept it
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You're hilarious!!
Do you hear or read about Jews filing lawsuits against PDs, companies, etc because they are Jewish. Do you see the Jewish equivalent to Jesse Jackson telling a certain person they are racist or need to step down from their position because they don't like Jews? Granted I am young so I can't say that I've watched television programs from 40-50 years ago, but in my lifetime the most I hear about them is corruption probes or that they are secretly controlling the US. Every time I hear about prejudice involving blacks we hear the whole litany of slavery, Jim Crow laws, etc. Overall I'd say the chosen people have had a far worse history.
YOU CAN ONLY IGNORE THE TRUTH SO LONG MY FRIEND,,,,then it hurts then you accept it
What truth? Maybe Gates should let some stuff go like other races do. Rosie O'Donnell made fun of Asians, in a blatant manner. Did they care? If they did you never heard about it. Back to my point, you aren't racist unless you make fun of blacks.
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Well when the majority of ur people work hard, go to school and don't suck off the state, its easy to ignore racism. I think there must be something in the government cheese that promotes victimhood. Instead of embracing the gifts of hard work like men like Gates have enjoyed (I guess) or better yet Powell and others, they fall back on whitey/cracker bullshit. Gates is another example of education meaning absolutely nothing.
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Its always funny when libs bring up Rosa Parks or some other civil rights even from 50 YEARS AGO!!!!Jesus,you people act as though blacks are still getting water hosed in the street.
I wouldn't go so far as to say Blacks are still getting hosed in the streets, ...but here we are 50 YEARS LATER,
...and they are being turned away from private swim clubs, ...even with a paid for membership.
The vast majority of people go to work,try to raise their families and dont give a flying fuck about race untill some little sawed off runt like Gates or Wright throws it up in our face.
Of course we do. but that's because the vast majority are not as egregiously negatively impacted.
The vast majority of us are not starving or dying from famine either, ...but that doesn't mean famine & starvation are not realities on this planet. Would you be pissed off at someone who shows you pictures of dying children, and tries to raise awareness of child hunger & starvation? If not, ...why do you react so violently and take such offense at those who point out the reality of life for many. Is it because you perhaps are aware that the social construct which is being highlighted provides you with certain privileges? Please examine your offense, and the true motivational root of it.
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I wouldn't go so far as to say Blacks are still getting hosed in the streets, ...but here we are 50 YEARS LATER,
...and they are being turned away from private swim clubs, ...even with a paid for membership.
Individual instances will always happen jag youve simply pointed out the exception that proves the rule...
yet blacks are allowed to have stations such as BET and produce magazines specifically for blacks etc...
Alot of african americans are like a lot of women they want their cake and want to eat it too sorry you ppl dont have it any worse then others white black male or female by and large yet when shit happens you for some reason think that its simply b/c your black or a women...sorry jagalicious i think youre a cool person but what I say is the truth for a lot of ppl Im not saying white ppl and others dont have their faults either as ive noted in this very thread.
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Well when the majority of ur people work hard, go to school and don't suck off the state, its easy to ignore racism. I think there must be something in the government cheese that promotes victimhood. Instead of embracing the gifts of hard work like men like Gates have enjoyed (I guess) or better yet Powell and others, they fall back on whitey/cracker bullshit. Gates is another example of education meaning absolutely nothing.
In the racist mind, ...that is absolutely correct, his education means nothing, ...he's just another "black guy"
It is so blatantly obvious, ...I don't see how anyone can miss it except those who want to.
For those who want to understand it, ...I'll lay it out for you very succinctly. Try to put yourself in the same situation.
You are in your home, ...you turn around, and there is a police Officer standing in your house, asking you to identify yourself. Are you with me so far? You're standing in your own home, ...turn around and there is a police officer standing in your house!
By what authority does he enter your home? Whether he got a call of a potential breakin is irrelevant. The fact remains, the caller made it clear, the person could very well be the occupant, but still, when Crowley arrived, he did not see Gates trying to enter, he did not see broken glass, or other signs of forced or unlawful entry. He did not hear cries for help, ...he looked through the glass and saw a man inside the premises. He had no probable cause to enter the home. He should have knocked on the door, not enter and demand identification.
When questioned as to who he was (inside his own home) Professor Gates told him "I live here, and I'm a professor at Harvard." He then provided Crowley with his Massachusetts driver's license, to which Crowley responded "Can you prove you're a professor at Harvard?. Did you catch that?
I would be incensed and enraged as well. First the cop entered his home without a warrant, and proceeded to question him? But then after showing his driver's license which presumably has his address on it, he wants further proof that he is a professor at Harvard? What does his profession have to do with anything. at that point, Gates, demanded the police officer's name & badge number, and made clear he was pissed off and he wouldn't be seeing the end of this. Had Crowley simply provided him with his name & badge # as he requested, Gates probably wouldn't have gotten so agitated.
The fact of the matter was Gates was lawfully in the premises, ...the police officer was not.
A testosterone induced dick swinging contest ensued, and Crowley chose to make the arrest.
It was a stupid decision on the cops part. He should have apologized for inconveniencing Gates, and left.
Gates rights were violated the second Crowley entered his residence uninvited.
Why did the officer find it so easy to simply walk into the house to question the man he saw?
Why did he believe he could take such a liberty? That's why Gates was pissed off & incensed.
His conduct by all accounts wasn't the most socially acceptable, and his rhetoric not the most respectful,
...but those were not arrestable offences. Crowley made a stupid decision, and it got more attention than anyone wanted, ...except maybe Gates. :P
Despite that however, ...it doesn't negate the fact that there are those who suffer all sorts of indignities daily in America due to race. The days of the fire hoses & attack dogs are gone, but racism is still alive & well in the USA. It may not take the overtly bigotted forms it once did, but it still exists, and as long as people's lives are negatively impacted by it, controversies like these will continue.
If you want to rid the world of the "race pimps", ...you need to rid the world of racism. It was an institution that took 400 years to construct. It's not going to disappear in a few years. It is too deeply ingrained within the fabric of society, and while it may not impact each & every one of us, the same way, on a day to day basis, it still impacts us, either negatively or positively. And for those who are impacted negatively, ...I don't think they are going to be shutting up about it any time soon.
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Individual instances will always happen jag youve simply pointed out the exception that proves the rule...
yet blacks are allowed to have stations such as BET and produce magazines specifically for blacks etc...
Alot of african americans are like a lot of women they want their cake and want to eat it too sorry you ppl dont have it any worse then others white black male or female by and large yet when shit happens you for some reason think that its simply b/c your black or a women...sorry jagalicious i think youre a cool person but what I say is the truth for a lot of ppl Im not saying white ppl and others dont have their faults either as ive noted in this very thread.
Gee thanks Tony, ...I'm so happy white people allow us to have stations such as BET which btw is owned by Viacom.
I wonder if sports fans like Body88 is grateful someone allows him to have stations like TSN. ::)
I'm sorry, but I have a different perspective. I'm afraid you are unable to see it simply because you are in the belly of the beast so-to-speak. I have a different perspective. I'm a Canadian. I'm on the outside looking in on your society. I have lived in the USA for a bit, and when I occasionally do visit your country, I do see the stark racism in comparison. It is very markedly there. I'm not saying this to bash the USA, just as a person who sees what is so blatantly obvious for those who must live it every day of their lives.
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There are good people and scumbags in every race.
We need to focus on the individual, not the race.
People need to be accountable for their individual actions and results, not the collectrive of the race they were born to.
I would also add in agreement to your points that there will always be racism. The difference is what you do with your life and how you overcome your individual challenges. I see way too many people playing the blame game who are lazy good for nothing losers.
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Wrong again Jag. He had reasonable suspicion to enter the house. He had a report of a possible break-in and needed to check it out. It happened to my buddy's brother at his house and he was put in cuffs because he was was acting in the same manner as Gates. This guy was white by the way.
Gates' behavior was not warranted and is an arrestable offense. Again, some people on here need to read up on police procedure.
Nobody is saying that Gates needs to head back to the cotton fields but he obviously didn't show his intellect or professionalism.I would also add in agreement to your points that there will always be racism. The difference is what you do with your life and how you overcome your individual challenges. I see way too many people playing the blame game who are lazy good for nothing losers.
Bingo, but in this country the only victims are black and the main oppressor is white. I hate to break it to you but I have heard Hispanics hating blacks, blacks hating Hispanics, whites hating Asians, etc. Deal with it.
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Gee thanks Tony, ...I'm so happy white people allow us to have stations such as BET which btw is owned by Viacom.
I wonder if sports fans like Body88 is grateful someone allows him to have stations like TSN. ::)
I'm sorry, but I have a different perspective. I'm afraid you are unable to see it simply because you are in the belly of the beast so-to-speak. I have a different perspective. I'm a Canadian. I'm on the outside looking in on your society. I have lived in the USA for a bit, and when I occasionally do visit your country, I do see the stark racism in comparison. It is very markedly there. I'm not saying this to bash the USA, just as a person who sees what is so blatantly obvious for those who must live it every day of their lives.
when did i say whites allow you? you see youre proving my point jag...society allows it
my dear as ive stated im half japanese and half white Ive been called chink and cracker by different ppl at different times I certainly know racism exists in this country more so then I would guess the majority of ppl in this country. The racism goes every direction as well jag ive known plenty of blacks that performed racist acts as well. That however doesnt justify the blatent backlash and oversensitivity that only appears with the black community.
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Wrong again Jag. He had reasonable suspicion to enter the house. He had a report of a possible break-in and needed to check it out. It happened to my buddy's brother at his house and he was put in cuffs because he was was acting in the same manner as Gates. This guy was white by the way.
Gates' behavior was not warranted and is an arrestable offense. Again, some people on here need to read up on police procedure.
Nobody is saying that Gates needs to head back to the cotton fields but he obviously didn't show his intellect or professionalism. Bingo, but in this country the only victims are black and the main oppressor is white. I hate to break it to you but I have heard Hispanics hating blacks, blacks hating Hispanics, whites hating Asians, etc. Deal with it.
You are not breaking nothing to me, there are haters everywhere. I do tend to think it is a bit less here in Cali as i see lots inter mix groups of friends.
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The racism goes every direction as well jag ive known plenty of blacks that performed racist acts as well. That however doesnt justify the blatent backlash and oversensitivity that only appears with the black community.
Exactly, some people need to get over themselves.
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You are not breaking nothing to me, there are haters everywhere. I do tend to think it is a bit less here in Cali as i see lots inter mix groups of friends.
I should have used a broader term to include the whole board. Sorry bro.
I agree with the CA statement.
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when did i say whites allow you? you see youre proving my point jag...society allows it
You're BET example is just another example of you not really putting a lot of thought into your position.
The entire premise of cable television is about narrow-casting.
There are networks for men, women, teens, children, evangelicals, gays,etc. THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO JEWISH CABLE TELEVISION STATIONS. Likewise for magazines. Minorities are special interest groups and media properties' primary purpose is to generate ad revenue. Would it be racist if there was a White Entertainment Network? It already exists- it's called 98% of programming! Realistically, BET may have outlived its usefulness, but it's neither a racial anomaly or proof of reverse racism.
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You're BET example is just another example of you not really putting a lot of thought into your position.
The entire premise of cable television is about narrow-casting.
There are networks for men, women, teens, children, evangelicals, gays,etc. THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO JEWISH CABLE TELEVISION STATIONS. Likewise for magazines. Minorities are special interest groups and media properties' primary purpose is to generate ad revenue. Would it be racist if there was a White Entertainment Network? It already exists- it's called 98% of programming! Realistically, BET may have outlived its usefulness, but it's neither a racial anomaly or proof of reverse racism.
By name? You know that would never happen. Sounds like people on this board have a real chip on their shoulder.
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You're BET example is just another example of you not really putting a lot of thought into your position.
The entire premise of cable television is about narrow-casting.
There are networks for men, women, teens, children, evangelicals, gays,etc. THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO JEWISH CABLE TELEVISION STATIONS. Likewise for magazines. Minorities are special interest groups and media properties' primary purpose is to generate ad revenue. Would it be racist if there was a White Entertainment Network? It already exists- it's called 98% of programming! Realistically, BET may have outlived its usefulness, but it's neither a racial anomaly or proof of reverse racism.
oh how did i know that little tid bit of ignorance would come out thats the typical response to this issue for ppl who believe it to be ok...These stations advertise to whites only? do they market themselves as a white entertainment network? no they dont and your stance is ignorant and a talking point and nothing more.
While I do understand your point about narrow casting, dont think for one second that ppl wouldnt jump at the chance to call a white entertainment only station racist...
here is a prime example...
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/07/911_caller_in_g.html
"Since then, Whalen has been called a racist and has become a target of scorn by those who suggested she would have never made the call had two white men been seen struggling to open what had been a broken front door. The 40-year-old daughter of Portuguese immigrants said she has even been threatened."
you think this rush to judgement was warrented you think that it had nothing to do with the fact the guy was black? even though she never said black she said hispanic many condemned her before the facts were out...
you dont think the black community is far to sensitive on issues of race far more then any other race?
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Gates' behavior was not warranted and is an arrestable offense. Again, some people on here need to read up on police procedure.
You can't really make this claim. The charges against Gates' were dropped. The DA described the arrest as "unfortunate" and regrettable. That's why this is considered a controversial case.
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You can't really make this claim. The charges against Gates' were dropped. The DA described the arrest as "unfortunate" and regrettable. That's why this is considered a controversial case.
The department backed him and his actions. That says enough to me. The DA likely didn't want to take on the media problem that would ensue as a result. The guy acted like a jerk and the officer remained in control. As a suspect or person of interest, YOUR attitude dictates the BEHAVIOR of the officer. Get over it. If Gates would have remained calm the officer would likely have apologized. I've seen it before.
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You can't really make this claim. The charges against Gates' were dropped. The DA described the arrest as "unfortunate" and regrettable. That's why this is considered a controversial case.
it was still well within his power as a police officer to arrest gates, simply b/c the charges where dropped doesnt mean the police officer didnt have the power to arrest gates.
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For some reason, the getbig is taking too long to respond.
oh how did i know that little tid bit of ignorance would come out thats the typical response to this issue for ppl who believe it to be ok...These stations advertise to whites only? do they market themselves as a white entertainment network? no they dont and your stance is ignorant and a talking point and nothing more.
While I do understand your point about narrow casting, dont think for one second that ppl wouldnt jump at the chance to call a white entertainment only station racist...
Most mainstream entertainment is predominately white. Intentionally or not, it features mostly white people and is targeted at mostly white people. When a station like BET or TJC pops up, it's selling point is not that it is exclusive, it is that it is inclusive and appeals to a demographic that isn't being served properly elsewhere. If someone started a WET network, it WOULD be racist because there are already plenty of places to see predom white programming. It would be racist because the selling point of the network would be that it was even more EXCLUSIVE than typical mainstream outlets. You dig?
here is a prime example...
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/07/911_caller_in_g.html
"Since then, Whalen has been called a racist and has become a target of scorn by those who suggested she would have never made the call had two white men been seen struggling to open what had been a broken front door. The 40-year-old daughter of Portuguese immigrants said she has even been threatened."
you think this rush to judgement was warrented you think that it had nothing to do with the fact the guy was black? even though she never said black she said hispanic many condemned her before the facts were out...
you dont think the black community is far to sensitive on issues of race far more then any other race?
To be honest with you, I never heard anyone give any sort of opinion on her until her press conference. Most of the accusations of racism were directed at the cop.
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The department backed him and his actions. That says enough to me. The DA likely didn't want to take on the media problem that would ensue as a result. The guy acted like a jerk and the officer remained in control. As a suspect or person of interest, YOUR attitude dictates the BEHAVIOR of the officer. Get over it. If Gates would have remained calm the officer would likely have apologized. I've seen it before.
Right, because police departments rarely back officers.
The events of the case have been hashed out in detail over and over here. You see things one way, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's how they occurred. As I said, that's why this is considered a controversy. Just because you would like to believe things happened one way doesn't mean they did.
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For some reason, the getbig is taking too long to respond.
Most mainstream entertainment is predominately white. Intentionally or not, it features mostly white people and is targeted at mostly white people. When a station like BET or TJC pops up, it is selling point is not that it is exclusive, it is that it is inclusive and appeals to a demographic that isn't being served properly elsewhere. If someone started a WET network, it would be racist because there are already plenty of places to see predom whit eprogramming. It would be racist because the selling point of the network would be that it was even more EXCLUSIVE than typical mainstream outlets. You dig?
To be honest with you, I never heard anyone give any sort of opinion on her until her press conference. Most of the accusations of racism were directed at the cop.
completely and totally false, while i understand why and how you came to that opinion youre simply justifying racism. Again do these stations advertise specifically to white ppl? do they market themselves as exclusively for white ppl? no they dont and there is a major difference, if BET was simply a station that happend to have a bunch of shows directed at black ppl that would be one thing but they dont they ADVERTISE TO SPECIFICALLY BLACK PPL, THEY PROMOTE THEMSELVES TO SPECIFICALLY BLACK PPL this nullifies your comparison...you dig?
you dont think affirmative action was a good thing do you?
read the article doggity, she recieved threats was called racist by numerous ppl in several different outlets...
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Right, because police departments rarely back officers.
The events of the case have been hashed out in detail over and over here. You see things one way, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's how they occurred. As I said, that's why this is considered a controversy. Just because you would like to believe things happened one way doesn't mean they did.
Actually they don't these days, especially not in liberal states. Read up on some major incidents some time. Command staff will throw their officers under the bus to avoid public outrage or backlash. Officers are given days without leave for many things that they shouldn't.
I guess my response to your second paragraph would be that you should direct it to yourself as well. Other officers back the arrest and the officer and so does the department. I have never seen something so small made so big and I blame Obama and Gates, not the arresting sergeant.
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completely and totally false, while i understand why and how you came to that opinion youre simply justifying racism. Again do these stations advertise specifically to white ppl? do they market themselves as exclusively for white ppl? no they dont and there is a major difference, if BET was simply a station that happend to have a bunch of shows directed at black ppl that would be one thing but they dont they ADVERTISE TO SPECIFICALLY BLACK PPL, THEY PROMOTE THEMSELVES TO SPECIFICALLY BLACK PPL this nullifies your comparison...you dig?
I don't agree with this, I've already stated why.
read the article doggity, she recieved threats was called racist by numerous ppl in several different outlets...
I did read the article. As I said, I never heard anyone say anything about her until today and that article didn't mention any specific threats or people who had called her racist. There may have been some lone posts on message boards, but there weren't really any notable mentions about her.
People didn't find it strange that someone would call the police on someone breaking through the front door. The controversy's point of origin is AFTER the cop arrives.
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Actually they don't these days, especially not in liberal states. Read up on some major incidents some time. Command staff will throw their officers under the bus to avoid public outrage or backlash. Officers are given days without leave for many things that they shouldn't.
In most cases, officers are still unwaveringly supported. There are a few rare instances of of overwhelmingly gross negligence, like the Moats' case, where that isn't true.
I guess my response to your second paragraph would be that you should direct it to yourself as well. Other officers back the arrest and the officer and so does the department. I have never seen something so small made so big and I blame Obama and Gates, not the arresting sergeant.
The difference being that I haven't pretended to know what happened. I haven't made the claim that either of the men was right or wrong. So, no, my second paragraph was directed at the appropriate target.
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I don't agree with this, I've already stated why.
I did read the article. As I said, I never heard anyone say anything about her until today and that article didn't mention any specific threats or people who had called her racist. There may have been some lone posts on message boards, but there weren't really any notable mentions about her.
People didn't find it strange that someone would call the police on someone breaking through the front door. The controversy's point of origin is AFTER the cop arrives.
well sir i proved your point wrong but youre completely free to continue believing in your fallacy...
it wasnt that they found it strange that she called it was that they jumped to conclusions and thought she had said there were 2 black men breaking into a house and labeled her racist...
funny how you dont answer any of my questions...
you dont think blacks are far more sensitive to race then other races?
you think affirmitive action was a good thing?
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In most cases, officers are still unwaveringly supported. There are a few rare instances of of overwhelmingly gross negligence, like the Moats' case, where that isn't true.The difference being that I haven't pretended to know what happened. I haven't made the claim that either of the men was right or wrong. So, no, my second paragraph was directed at the appropriate target.
No, I disagree because unlike you I know how major police departments work. Trust me you lose this one.
As far as your second point, you can think what you want but the President is back tracking and it has been shown thus far that Gates was in the wrong. All I know is that I have read Gates was acting like a jerk, acted inappropriately, there are pictures of him acting like a fool. Like I said, if multiple people say the officer was in the right and nobody is backing a racist like Gates then that's cool with me.
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well sir i proved your point wrong but youre completely free to continue believing in your fallacy...
You didn't prove anything, you just reposted something that I already responded to. If you like, you can re-read my previous posts and repost your post. That won't mean you proved anything, but you can tell yourself it does.
it wasnt that they found it strange that she called it was that they jumped to conclusions and thought she had said there were 2 black men breaking into a house and labeled her racist...
Once again, I never heard anyone mention her. Can you show me some instances where she was criticized?
funny how you dont answer any of my questions...
you dont think blacks are far more sensitive to race then other races?
No.
you think affirmitive action was a good thing?
I'm not answering these questions intentionally. Like I said on the first page, when people debate race-especially here- they're really just throwing out a bunch of preconceived notions they have that are often pretty uninformed. The posts I have responded to in this thread are things that I feel are factually incorrect. I have a few opinions on affirmative action- some positive, some not so positive, mostly based in fact- but I don't have strong feelings one way or the other.
Are blacks far more sensitive to race than other races? That's a complicated question. It's subjective and you already have your mind made up, so I think I'll take a pass on that one, too.
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No, I disagree because unlike you I know how major police departments work. Trust me you lose this one.
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As far as your second point, you can think what you want but the President is back tracking and it has been shown thus far that Gates was in the wrong. All I know is that I have read Gates was acting like a jerk, acted inappropriately, there are pictures of him acting like a fool. Like I said, if multiple people say the officer was in the right and nobody is backing a racist like Gates then that's cool with me.
It hasn't been proven that Gates' was in the wrong. The President's "backtracking" is because he realized his involvement turned this into a much bigger deal than it would have been otherwise. You can believe what you want, as well. As I said previously, that does not mean it is the truth.
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It hasn't been proven that Gates' was in the wrong. The President's "backtracking" is because he realized his involvement turned this into a much bigger deal than it would have been otherwise. You can believe what you want, as well. As I said previously, that does not mean it is the truth.
Roll your eyes all you want but it's true.
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when did i say whites allow you? you see youre proving my point jag...society allows it
Actually I was being playfully facetious. I was hoping you would catch that, ...I guess you didn't.
my dear as ive stated im half japanese and half white Ive been called chink and cracker by different ppl at different times I certainly know racism exists in this country more so then I would guess the majority of ppl in this country. The racism goes every direction as well jag ive known plenty of blacks that performed racist acts as well. That however doesnt justify the blatent backlash and oversensitivity that only appears with the black community.
I'm not saying Blacks are incapable of racism. I'm saying America is a very racist society.
You describe it as being oversensitive. I don't know that it is oversensitivity. It's like I said before,
...when you are poked with a stick every day, ...your reaction to someone brandishing a stick is going to be more visceral than someone who has never seen a stick, or who has only occasionally seen one. And unless you've walked a mile in another man's shoes... you can't possibly understand why they would react the way they do. If you have been repeated smacked on your arm, in the same spot, ...you're going to develop a bruise there. If that bruise had not healed, and someone were to come along and touch that spot, ...it would be overly sensitive, ...and you would feel it much more than someone who received the same touch, at the same spot, ...but did not have an existing bruise.
Do I believe Crowley was being racist when he took the liberty of entering this man's home, and demanding proof that he was a Harvard professor, despite already having been provided with a Massachusetts driver's license? I don't know. Probably not, but I wasn't there. I can't say either way what his motivation was. In any event, what we do know, is that he pissed off an innocent man minding his business in his own home. One would think that prudent wise judgement would dictate he simply apologize for the inconvenience caused, and simply leave the premises.
I understand Gates reaction. I truly do. I remember driving across the border about 10 years ago, on my way to the Christian Dior boutique at the Niagara Outlet Mall. I gave the border customs agent 2 forms of picture id: my Ontario health card (complete with my digitized pic, address, and signature) as well as my Canadian passport. She asked me why I was entering the USA? I told her I was going shopping at the Niagara Outlet Mall. No biggie... so far so good. She asked me how long I planned to stay in the USA? I told her just for the day, I'm hoping to get back home before nightfall.... so far so good. After running it, she gave me back my id, looked at my car, and asked... "Whose car are you driving?" I was shocked! I was so shocked I almost gave myself whiplash doing a double take. I said "Excuse Me?" That was my gut reaction. I didn't have time to think about my response, ...I just blurted out "Excuse Me?" I thought that was a pretty stupid and inappropriate question. Her reaction was also very telling as well. She turned bright red, looked away, and said "forget it just go... welcome to the US". I didn't make a stink about it, but it pissed me off to no end! I drive across the border all the time, sometimes in my vehicle, sometimes with friends in their vehicles. The only time I, or any of my friends have ever been questioned as to the ownership of the vehicle we were in, was when it was a luxury vehicle, and the driver was Black. My white friends with BMW's don't get asked about ownership. My white friends who drive mercedes don't get asked. My best girlfriend drives a Porsche, she never gets asked whose car she's driving, but the Blacks do. This kind of stuff goes on more than you realize if you don't experience it on a daily basis. And when it does occur on a daily basis, you're especially sensitive to it, both when it occurs to you, and to others. I don't experience alot of it this side of the border, ...but once across the 49th, I experience it alot!
When Black men upon moving into an affluent area, feel the need to go to their local police dept to say "Hi... this is who I am, this is where I live, ...this is the car I drive... please don't pull me over"... you have to recognize there is a problem. And this is something many Black people have to do inorder to avoid being stopped in their neighbourhoods
Do I think Gates was out of control, and a potential danger to Crowley. I really don't think so. I think Crowley was pissed off and determined to assert his authority over Gates, when he should have simply let the old man rant & rave and get it off his chest. I think both are guilty of lapses in judgement, ...but only one is a trained professional taught to know better, and only one had the authority to effect an arrest. An authority for which he must be held accountable. He made a stupid decision and compounded it, by making a subsequently stupid arrest imo. But hey... the good news is... nobody died. :D
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Jag, poked with a stick all day long? You act like people say guy all day long. Most people I have ever met are afraid to use the word, even in an academic discussion about race. They will say Chink, Spic, etc but not guy.
Al, with the exception of benchmstr or other LEOs who frequent here I would say I have a great deal of insight into LE and how it works.
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Jag, poked with a stick all day long? You act like people say guy all day long. Most people I have ever met are afraid to use the word, even in an academic discussion about race. They will say Chink, Spic, etc but not guy.
Al, with the exception of benchmstr or other LEOs who frequent here I would say I have a great deal of insight into LE and how it works.
You could be Bernard Kerik and you still wouldn't know any more about what went on in this case than I do. From the sound of your posts, it seems that you are still in university, so excuse me if I don't feel the need to acquiesce to Columbo Jr.
Nice post, Jag. I think it's the type of thing that will only be absorbed when preached to the choir, though.
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You could be Bernard Kerik and you still wouldn't know any more about what went on in this case than I do. From the sound of your posts, it seems that you are still in university, so excuse me if I don't feel the need to acquiesce to Columbo Jr.
Nice post, Jag. I think it's the type of thing that will only be absorbed when preached to the choir, though.
Nope not in university anymore. I'm talking about the inner workings of police departments as a whole and how they deal with political pressure and how they lay officers out. Most chiefs don't think twice about it.
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Nope not in university anymore. I'm talking about the inner workings of police departments as a whole and how they deal with political pressure and how they lay officers out. Most chiefs don't think twice about it.
Oh, well that changes everything. It's almost like you were there! ::)
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"Since then, Whalen has been called a racist and has become a target of scorn by those who suggested she would have never made the call had two white men been seen struggling to open what had been a broken front door. The 40-year-old daughter of Portuguese immigrants said she has even been threatened."
you think this rush to judgement was warrented you think that it had nothing to do with the fact the guy was black? even though she never said black she said hispanic many condemned her before the facts were out...
you dont think the black community is far to sensitive on issues of race far more then any other race?
The rush to judgement? The media trumpeted this all over the place. It was Officer Crowley who disseminated this untruth that Whalen reported 2 Black men. Read Crowley's report, and watch the news coverage... that's what they are saying. How do we explain this discrepancy? We have the actual 911 call, and we have the witness statements which is consistent with her 911 call. The woman who called it in, only did so, because an older lady in the neighbourhood called her attention to the men entering the home and said there was a problem. Even on these very boards, we have people repeating the lie that she racially profiled him, ....she did not. she had a cell phone and called on behalf of someone else who indicated it might be a problem. It is the police and the media that have perpetrated the lie. I hope she sues Crowley, ...if not for lying about a statement she made, ...then for revealing her age on a police report sure to be scrutinized by thousands. That's just unthinkable! :P
It's unfortunate that people are uttering threats against the woman for simply trying to be a good neighbour. :'(
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Oh, well that changes everything. It's almost like you were there! ::)
I was responding to you regarding officers being backed by their departments. I never said I was there, but based on the evidence released so far it seems like Gates should have just relaxed. I have seen how this has played out with WHITE people, the exact circumstance that Gates dealt with, and it happened the same way because the guy was acting like an asshole to the Deputies that arrived at the scene.
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You can't really make this claim. The charges against Gates' were dropped. The DA described the arrest as "unfortunate" and regrettable. That's why this is considered a controversial case.
Not only did the DA, but also Police Commissioner Robert Haas refered to it as unfortunate and regrettable, and the mayor personally phone Gates to tell him how sorry she was that he had to experience this.
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I was responding to you regarding officers being backed by their departments.
Typically, departments stand behind their officers. Especially, here in New York. I'm assuming you were involved with a police department at some point, but you don't have to be a cop to see that in big media cases, unless there is overwhelming evidence, cops are supported pretty uniformly.
I never said I was there, but based on the evidence released so far it seems like Gates should have just relaxed. I have seen how this has played out with WHITE people, the exact circumstance that Gates dealt with, and it happened the same way because the guy was acting like an asshole to the Deputies that arrived at the scene.
Really? You've seen men who had committed no crime, approached by cops, and subsequently arrested for disorderly conduct? Even taking race out of the equation, this is a pretty strange case. Whether or not Gates acted inappropriately, he WAS at his home and he had NOT committed a crime. i
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Jag, poked with a stick all day long? You act like people say guy all day long. Most people I have ever met are afraid to use the word, even in an academic discussion about race. They will say Chink, Spic, etc but not guy.
Al, with the exception of benchmstr or other LEOs who frequent here I would say I have a great deal of insight into LE and how it works.
But Cap, that's just it, ...racism and being racist is more than simply using the "N" word.
People think that as long as someone doesn't use the 'N' word, or burn crosses on someone's front lawn, that they're not racist.Nothing can be further from the truth.
Racism is a social construct... a lense if you will that filters how we percieve those we meet, encounter, and interact with.on a daily basis. For some people, their lenses are clear, ...for others, not so clear, and the light that passes through it gets bent and refracted in such a way as to skew the picture of the person or people they are interacting with. It skews our assessments of the behaviours we witness, and how to respond to those very behaviours. Yes YOUR BEHAVIOUR will DICTATE police action, ...however, that behaviour must first be filtered through the lenses of whatever 'ism' exists.
ie: If we see a frail little old lady try to push a door open with her shoulder... what do we think? That she's having trouble with the door? If we see a frail little old man with a cane try to push a door open with his shoulder, ...what do we think? if that man happens to be Black, does it take on a different dimension?
If an innocent man is upset and seriously agitated and understandably so, ...do we stay calm, and let them rant & rave and get it off their chest... or do we perceive them as potentially causing a riot and arrest them for disorderly conduct.
If a tiny woman with sore feet, unable to get back to her hotel because of road blocks, becomes seriously agitated and understandably so... and as a result goes offside, ...does the HUGE GINORMOUS police officer who is just doing his job, allow her to rant & rave and get it off her chest... and when she runs out of breath, finish her sentence for her... or does he arrest her for disorderly conduct? This very same thing happened to me.
My behaviour was not perceived as threatening, but rather as amusing. If a man behaved the same way I did, it would have been threatening to the officer, ...not in a life sense, but rather in a macho ego sense. Who's got the bigger dick? It would have been a testosterone induced dick swinging contest and I would have been up against the squad car assuming the position. Was racism present in my case? I don't know. I don't think so, ...especially since the cop also happened to be Black, ...but there was an ism present. Was this sexism in action? You better believe it was? My life, that night in Chicago was positively impacted by sexism. It wasn't favouritism because I was a woman, I was treated with patience & understanding because through the sexist filter, my behaviour was not percieved as overly alarming or threatening, simply amusing. As we drove off, he turned to his buddy and laughingly said "They're beautiful when they're angry aren't they." Was I impacted by sexism? Yes I was. i continue to be impacted by sexism on a daily basis. Sometimes positively... sometimes negatively, ...but i'd not only be a fool to deny it's existence, I'd also be a liar to discount or attempt to dismiss the complaints of those who lives are negatively impacted by sexism daily.
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The guy acted like a jerk and the officer remained in control. As a suspect or person of interest, YOUR attitude dictates the BEHAVIOR of the officer. Get over it. If Gates would have remained calm the officer would likely have apologized. I've seen it before.
There we have it. By your own words... the officer remained in control.
That's what this appears to be in my opinion, an issue of control. Twas a testosterone induced dick swinging contest. Gates wanted to maintain his dignity and control in his own home, and Crowley wanted to maintain control of Gates within Gates' own home. Some might say that in effecting the arrest...Crowley acted like a jerk....
For you to posit Crowley might have apologized if Gates had remained calm, you reveal what you refuse to openly admit, ...that Crowley was in the wrong. He compounded his mistake further, by making a stupid arrest.
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What do we think in the instance below? Did this cop have cause to make an arrest and lay charges?
...assault on a police officer, ...disorderly conduct etc etc.,
...or did he exercise better judgement than the "guilty" man he stopped?
How can an officer, assaulted by a ranting & raving guilty lunatic remain calm and not escalate a situation,
while another officer finds himself unable to remain calm in the face of a supposed ranting & raving innocent man?
This is about power & control. Crowley didn't like being challenged by someone threatening to file charges on him, so he compounded his stupid decision with an even more stupid one to make an arrest.
Crowley wanted Gates to dance, ...Gates wouldn't dance!
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There we have it. By your own words... the officer remained in control.
That's what this appears to be in my opinion, an issue of control. Twas a testosterone induced dick swinging contest. Gates wanted to maintain his dignity and control in his own home, and Crowley wanted to maintain control of Gates within Gates' own home. Some might say that in effecting the arrest...Crowley acted like a jerk....
For you to posit Crowley might have apologized if Gates had remained calm, you reveal what you refuse to openly admit, ...that Crowley was in the wrong. He compounded his mistake further, by making a stupid arrest.
No, I think had Gates not acted like a jerk Crowley might have said, "sorry about the mix up. Have a nice day, sir." It doesn't mean he was wrong. Seriously Jag, you did hear the 911 call right? It was alleged that a man broke into the house. Crowley responded to the call and entered the residence thinking a burglary was in progress. He was entering a possibly dangerous situation and until you know for sure what is going on you have your guard up. Your assertion that Crowley was trying to keep him in his place is laughable.
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Racism isn't limited to America.
Gates was stupid for getting uppity. The cop has a gun and you don't practice civil disobedience in that type of situation. I'll take the cop's side and assume the situation wouldn't have resulted in an arrest without Gates adding emotions to the situation.
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Racism isn't limited to America.
Gates was stupid for getting uppity. The cop has a gun and you don't practice civil disobedience in that type of situation. I'll take the cop's side and assume the situation wouldn't have resulted in an arrest without Gates adding emotions to the situation.
Bingo. I'm telling you, this is a veteran officer with a good reputation. He's not going to risk his career on some knucklehead unless Gates was truly wrong. I don't care what race you are, just keep your mouth shut.
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You didn't prove anything, you just reposted something that I already responded to. If you like, you can re-read my previous posts and repost your post. That won't mean you proved anything, but you can tell yourself it does.
Once again, I never heard anyone mention her. Can you show me some instances where she was criticized?
I'm not answering these questions intentionally. Like I said on the first page, when people debate race-especially here- they're really just throwing out a bunch of preconceived notions they have that are often pretty uninformed. The posts I have responded to in this thread are things that I feel are factually incorrect. I have a few opinions on affirmative action- some positive, some not so positive, mostly based in fact- but I don't have strong feelings one way or the other.
Are blacks far more sensitive to race than other races? That's a complicated question. It's subjective and you already have your mind made up, so I think I'll take a pass on that one, too.
I showed your point to be nothing more then a liberal talking point you refused to answer any of my questions towards that end b/c you know it shows your point to be a fallacy...
This is what a conversation is........by your logic anytime ppl have differing views on a subject they shouldnt even talk about it, just plain idiocy.
I agree its a complicated question, the fact though that the racist label is thrown around so easily and without care does apply in the vast majority of cases to blacks...Is it perhaps the media and the bullshit PC era we are in perhaps but it still results in blacks being far more sensitive to race then any other race.
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Bingo. I'm telling you, this is a veteran officer with a good reputation. He's not going to risk his career on some knucklehead unless Gates was truly wrong. I don't care what race you are, just keep your mouth shut.
Even if the cop is an asshole..... STFU and take your chances in court.
Professor, doctor, lawyer, baker or candle stick maker your still black and have to admit how shit really is. I'll go a step further and say professionals have more worries when it comes to dealing with cops because there's something being arrested, beaten or whatever can take away.
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Even if the cop is an asshole..... STFU and take your chances in court.
Professor, doctor, lawyer, baker or candle stick maker your still black and have to admit how shit really is. I'll go a step further and say professionals have more worries when it comes to dealing with cops because there's something being arrested, beaten or whatever can take away.
agreed unless your life is in danger stfu and deal with it after the fact you dont fuck with ppl holding guns and that have the ability to arrest you or generally screw up the rest of your day.
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Even if the cop is an asshole..... STFU and take your chances in court.
Professor, doctor, lawyer, baker or candle stick maker your still black and have to admit how shit really is. I'll go a step further and say professionals have more worries when it comes to dealing with cops because there's something being arrested, beaten or whatever can take away.
Exactly. People have professional licesnes to consider as well.
Gates is a jackass. He just should have said, thank you officer for responsing, sorry for the mishap.
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Exactly. People have professional licesnes to consider as well.
Gates is a jackass. He just should have said, thank you officer for responsing, sorry for the mishap.
This incident also suggests he never socialized with the neighbors. If locked out of the house I could go to the people next door and either ask for help or say "I'm breaking into the house" and everything would be fine.
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This incident also suggests he never socialized with the neighbors. If locked out of the house I could go to the people next door and either ask for help or say "I'm breaking into the house" and everything would be fine.
Or call the police and tell them he locked himself out of his own home.
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I showed your point to be nothing more then a liberal talking point you refused to answer any of my questions towards that end b/c you know it shows your point to be a fallacy...
How do you think you did that? All you did was repeat a post that I had already responded to. And you were wrong. If you want a response to that post, just read the post I made prior to it. All of the relevant info is there.
This is what a conversation is........by your logic anytime ppl have differing views on a subject they shouldnt even talk about it, just plain idiocy.
No, you once again are failing to misunderstand something I wrote that was perfectly clear. I'm sure you must have noticed that I post on this board pretty frequently, so obviously I'm not opposed to conversation or debate. What I did dispute was the notion that a conversation on race would be between open minds and that there was any possibility of it accomplishing anything aside from taking up server space.
I agree its a complicated question, the fact though that the racist label is thrown around so easily and without care does apply in the vast majority of cases to blacks...Is it perhaps the media and the bullshit PC era we are in perhaps but it still results in blacks being far more sensitive to race then any other race.
The question isn't complicated, the answer is. Do you disagree with this statement: "Historically, blacks have been subjected to more racism than any other ethnic group in America"?
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I'm actually amazed that cops aren't even more racist than they are. When you're a cop, (and I know several here in west palm beach florida), everyday you see an overwhelming majority of blacks: killing each other over "being dissed", "Being on my turf", over drugs, robbing people, car-jacking people, raping people. This is what they deal with every day..in any area that has a sizable black population. Not long ago, in the newspaper here, some black teen threw his 6 month year old kid out of his car while going 80 miles an hour. When they asked him why, he said "He wouldn't stop his dumb-ass crying so I threw him out." No remorse..no comprehension of the savagery.. But any mention of these facts apparently means you're a racist. One nowadays has to observe these things but somehow pretend they don't exist....You can not mention that blacks have the highest teen pregnancy rates, have the highest number of children born with no fathers, have the highest number of new AIDS cases..Bring up any of that and you're a racist.
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Even if the cop is an asshole..... STFU and take your chances in court.
Professor, doctor, lawyer, baker or candle stick maker your still black and have to admit how shit really is. I'll go a step further and say professionals have more worries when it comes to dealing with cops because there's something being arrested, beaten or whatever can take away.
Except, he hadn't committed a crime, so he wasn't courtbound. Mouthing off to a cop isn't illegal. Even if the DA had pursued this case, it likely would have been decided in Gates' favor, if it wasn't thrown out of court.
This incident also suggests he never socialized with the neighbors. If locked out of the house I could go to the people next door and either ask for help or say "I'm breaking into the house" and everything would be fine.
It wasn't his neighbors who called the police. It was a woman who was walking by. And he didn't break into the house. He entered through the back door because the front door key jammed. The cab driver helped him unjam the door.
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This incident also suggests he never socialized with the neighbors. If locked out of the house I could go to the people next door and either ask for help or say "I'm breaking into the house" and everything would be fine.
His neighbors are probably white so that means they are racist slaveholders.
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How do you think you did that? All you did was repeat a post that I had already responded to. And you were wrong. If you want a response to that post, just read the post I made prior to it. All of the relevant info is there.
No, you once again are failing to misunderstand something I wrote that was perfectly clear. I'm sure you must have noticed that I post on this board pretty frequently, so obviously I'm not opposed to conversation or debate. What I did dispute was the notion that a conversation on race would be between open minds and that there was any possibility of it accomplishing anything aside from taking up server space.
The question isn't complicated, the answer is. Do you disagree with this statement: "Historically, blacks have been subjected to more racism than any other ethnic group in America"?
goodness gracious you side stepping an issue doesnt equate to an answer...
perhaps you should take a logic class if you believe that ppl have preconcieved notions and a conversation wont accomplish anything other then ppl trying to argue their preconcieved notion that logic can be applied to other situations in which you should also LOGICALLY feel that having a conversation is futile...dig it?
I would agree that blacks have recieved a large amount native americans have has well asian americans and mexican americans have as well, black more so then other with the exception of perhaps native americans...
Problem is you cant continue to use that as a crutch the vast majority of blacks 30yrs old or younger werent around for any of that and yet you still see the same line of thought with them, why? Things arent like they were 50-100 yrs ago yet you wouldnt know it by talking to some ppl, why?
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Except, he hadn't committed a crime, so he wasn't courtbound. Mouthing off to a cop isn't illegal. Even if the DA had pursued this case, it likely would have been decided in Gates' favor, if it wasn't thrown out of court.
It wasn't his neighbors who called the police. It was a woman who was walking by. And he didn't break into the house. He entered through the back door because the front door key jammed. The cab driver helped him unjam the door.
My experience is that interacting with the police does not require committing a crime. :)
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goodness gracious you side stepping an issue doesnt equate to an answer...
I didn't sidestep any question. What do you think I didn't answer?
perhaps you should take a logic class if you believe that ppl have preconcieved notions and a conversation wont accomplish anything other then ppl trying to argue their preconcieved notion that logic can be applied to other situations in which you should also LOGICALLY feel that having a conversation is futile...dig it?
You are still only hearing what you want to hear.I never said that conversations were futile. I said that a debate on this subject, in the venue would be. There have been countless threads about race here, and they all go exactly the same way.
I would agree that blacks have recieved a large amount native americans have has well asian americans and mexican americans have as well, black more so then other with the exception of perhaps native americans...
Problem is you cant continue to use that as a crutch the vast majority of blacks 30yrs old or younger werent around for any of that and yet you still see the same line of thought with them, why? Things arent like they were 50-100 yrs ago yet you wouldnt know it by talking to some ppl, why?
Blacks have been the victims of more institutionalized and individualized racism than any other group in America's history, plain and simple. Yes, there have been other groups that have had issues, but there really is no comparison. The civil rights era was is full bloom about half a century ago. That's barely a generation. That followed, literally, hundreds of years of oppression. Racism doesn't disappear overnight and progress doesn't erase history.
Couple that with the fact that blacks are the largest minority group in America and there you go. You dig?
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My experience is that interacting with the police does not require committing a crime. :)
My point is that he wasn't going to see that cop in court. If he was gonna wil' out, then was the time to do it.
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I didn't sidestep any question. What do you think I didn't answer?
You are still only hearing what you want to hear.I never said that conversations were futile. I said that a debate on this subject, in the venue would be. There have been countless threads about race here, and they all go exactly the same way.
Blacks have been the victims of more institutionalized and individualized racism than any other group in America's history, plain and simple. Yes, there have been other groups that have had issues, but there really is no comparison. The civil rights era was is full bloom about half a century ago. That's barely a generation. That followed, literally, hundreds of years of oppression. Racism doesn't disappear overnight and progress doesn't erase history.
Couple that with the fact that blacks are the largest minority group in America and there you go. You dig?
1) Do you want a cookie for bringing up this tiresome fact?
2) Hispanics are tha largest minority group in America. You stand corrected.
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LOL another liberal genius has proved the overwhelming stupidity of the left and the blindly illogical politics of victimization. Blacks make up about 15 % of the population in America. Hispanics are a much larger minority group- With the exception of America's major urban cities and a few backwoods hick towns scattered across the south and midwest, blacks do not comprise a substantial population of America at all.
Beyond your completely moronic point of view, I am honestly curious, does being the member of an "oppressed" racial minority give you the license to act like an uncivilized baboon regardless of the circumstances? Does being black mean that the rules the rest of society has to follow somehow dont apply to you? If thats the case, tell me where I can sign up. I would love to be a rude jackass to everyone and then blame the horrible burden placed on my "racial group" for my behavior.
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agreed unless your life is in danger stfu and deal with it after the fact you dont fuck with ppl holding guns and that have the ability to arrest you or generally screw up the rest of your day.
There was more than enough stupidity going around that day, ...but the buck has to stop somewhere,
...and it stops with the one given authority in the situation. With the exercise of authority comes accountability for it's use.
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LOL another liberal genius has proved the overwhelming stupidity of the left and the blindly illogical politics of victimization. Blacks make up about 15 % of the population in America. Hispanics are a much larger minority group- With the exception of America's major urban cities and a few backwoods hick towns scattered across the south and midwest, blacks do not comprise a substantial population of America at all.
Beyond your completely moronic point of view, I am honestly curious, does being the member of an "oppressed" racial minority give you the license to act like an uncivilized baboon regardless of the circumstances? Does being black mean that the rules the rest of society has to follow somehow dont apply to you? If thats the case, tell me where I can sign up. I would love to be a rude jackass to everyone and then blame the horrible burden placed on my "racial group" for my behavior.
psst: Judging by some of your posts, ...I'd have guessed you to already be a fullfleged founding member of that club.
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There was more than enough stupidity going around that day, ...but the buck has to stop somewhere,
...and it stops with the one given authority in the situation. With the exercise of authority comes accountability for it's use.
again he was well within his power as an officer to arrest gates for disorderly conduct...He didnt abuse any authority, was it the best resolution to the idiotic situation CREATED BY GATES no it wasnt. However you cant sit there and act like gates acting an ass didnt contribute to his arrest. Fine you want to say crowley was in the wrong I can agree that he shouldnt have arrested gates but you must agree that gates shouldnt have acted an ass.
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again he was well within his power as an officer to arrest gates for disorderly conduct...He didnt abuse any authority, was it the best resolution to the idiotic situation CREATED BY GATES no it wasnt. However you cant sit there and act like gates acting an ass didnt contribute to his arrest. Fine you want to say crowley was in the wrong I can agree that he shouldnt have arrested gates but you must agree that gates shouldnt have acted an ass.
At the end of the day, Gates' only recourse was to rant. He wasn't on his job. If he was acted an ass (which I never claimed he didn't) then he was doing so on his own time, on his own property.
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again he was well within his power as an officer to arrest gates for disorderly conduct...He didnt abuse any authority, was it the best resolution to the idiotic situation CREATED BY GATES no it wasnt. However you cant sit there and act like gates acting an ass didnt contribute to his arrest. Fine you want to say crowley was in the wrong I can agree that he shouldnt have arrested gates but you must agree that gates shouldnt have acted an ass.
I think they BOTH acted like asses, ...but Gates was in his own home. If you can't act like an ass in your own home, ...there's a problem. Crowley is a police officer, and should maintaed his cool. Yes, Gates should also have maintained his cool, ...but Crowley has a responsibility to do his job without his ego & emotions getting in the way. He failed.
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At the end of the day, Gates' only recourse was to rant. He wasn't on his job. If he was acted an ass (which I never claimed he didn't) then he was doing so on his own time, on his own property.
EXACTLY!!!
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At the end of the day, Gates' only recourse was to rant. He wasn't on his job. If he was acted an ass (which I never claimed he didn't) then he was doing so on his own time, on his own property.
news flash you can still perform acts that fall into disorderly conduct own your own property, if he did then he was liable to be arrested...Him being in his house has nothing to do with anything the laws still apply inside his house just as they do outside his house.
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I think they BOTH acted like asses, ...but Gates was in his own home. If you can't act like an ass in your own home, ...there's a problem. Crowley is a police officer, and should maintaed his cool. Yes, Gates should also have maintained his cool, ...but Crowley has a responsibility to do his job without his ego & emotions getting in the way. He failed.
so laws dont apply inside youre home? did crowley abuse his power? answer that for me
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so laws dont apply inside youre home? did crowley abuse his power? answer that for me
Absofuckinlutely!
Doing something unwarranted, just because your badge gives you the authority to do so, is abuse!
So what if Gates wouldn't calm down? He's inside his own home and allowed to be as angry as he wants.
If he's angry & pissed off that you're inside his home, ...GET THE FVCK OUT! It's simple common sense.
When you violate the sanctity of an innocent man's home, pissing him off as a result, ...get out. Plain & simple.
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so laws dont apply inside youre home? did crowley abuse his power? answer that for me
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1912777,00.html
In law enforcement, there are few situations that are clear-cut, and disorderly conduct is one of the fuzziest.
"It's probably the most abused statute in America," says Eugene O'Donnell, a professor of law and police studies at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York City.
a good chunk of disorderly-conduct charges end up being dropped, as happened in the case against Gates,
Talking trash by itself isn't a punishable offense — unless, it seems, you draw a crowd while doing it, which is part of the allegation against Gates.
"With contempt of cop, you get loud and nasty and show scorn for a law-enforcement officer, but a police officer can't go out and lock you up for disorderly conduct because you were disrespectful toward them." The First Amendment allows you to say pretty much anything to the police. "You could tell them to go f___ themselves," says Shane, "and that's fine."
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wait...
so the cop claimed in the written report that the woman 911 caller said it was a black man?
but the 911 call showed she never said that?
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wait...
so the cop claimed in the written report that the woman 911 caller said it was a black man?
but the 911 call showed she never said that?
Yep! He said, she said 2 black men with backpacks, ...but the 911 tapes don't back up that assertion at all.
Furthermore, ...he barely spoke 2 words to her on the scene. "Wait Here"
And the Cambridge PD dispatch tapes clearly state race unknown, ...possibly hispanic.
Crowley has already demonstrated a bit of a disconnect with the truth. Not calling him a liar, ...but his perception of the situation thus far appears to be somewhat skewed. I wonder what else got skewed?
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Yep! He said, she said 2 black men with backpacks, ...but the 911 tapes don't back up that assertion at all.
Furthermore, ...he barely spoke 2 words to her on the scene. "Wait Here"
And the Cambridge PD dispatch tapes clearly state race unknown, ...possibly hispanic.
Crowley has already demonstrated a bit of a disconnect with the truth. Not calling him a liar, ...but his perception of the situation thus far appears to be somewhat skewed. I wonder what else got skewed?
So is there anywhere in the call or recordings the "2 black men with backpacks", besides in his report?
i understand Gates was being a pain in the ass, but if this cop just plain made this stuff up, that looks awful for the PD.
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So is there anywhere in the call or recordings the "2 black men with backpacks", besides in his report?
Nope.
i understand Gates was being a pain in the ass, but if this cop just plain made this stuff up, that looks awful for the PD.
No, ...it looks awful for Crowley. It would seem to support Gates' allegation that he's a rogue / racist cop.
He either made it up, ...which makes him a liar & a rogue, ...or he conjured it up in his mind, ...making him a racist.
Either way, ...something is very wrong about his perception of the incident. :-X
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Nope.
No, ...it looks awful for Crowley. It would seem to support Gates' allegation that he's a rogue / racist cop.
He either made it up, ...which makes him a liar & a rogue, ...or he conjured it up in his mind, ...making him a racist.
Either way, ...something is very wrong about his perception of the incident. :-X
"I'll see yo mamma on the porch"
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This is so stupid.The women met the cops outside on the sidewalk.She hasnt commented on what she said to the cops then.By the way,the cop was 100% correct,IT WAS TWO blacks but it wasnt backpacks it was suitcases.We didnt hear the transmition of the dispatcher and what was told to the cop.Its fairly amazing the cop got it 100% correct without ANYONE telling him.That would be some trick.If thats racial profiling,then cops need to use it more often because it seems to provide exact details and descriptions.Once again,the cop was right and Gates and Obama are race baitors.
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I don't see how it's racial profiling when the cops were responding to a call. It would have been one thing for the cops to driving around and randomly selecting a black man carrying a suitcase. But that's not the case here.
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I'm glad the cop stood his ground and "Agreed to disagree".
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Race has no effect on my life what so ever, each person gets treated with common courtesy until they prove they don't deserve it. At that point it isn't because of the color of their skin its because they are an asshole.
IMHO the only people that constantly dwell on race are those who stand to gain something from it. Be it the Gates of the world or the KKK members, they all gain something from racism.
Where do you think people like Jesse Jackson would be with the issue of race? They don't want it to go away because it butters their bread.
White people are not better then non-white people, but being white in the USA, even today, is much better than being non-white. :)
Race does have a negative effect on the life of minorities in the US.
2004 RACE DISCRIMINATION LAWSUIT AGAINST CRACKER BARREL
MONDAY, MAY 3, 2004
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SETTLES RACE DISCRIMINATION LAWSUIT AGAINST CRACKER BARREL RESTAURANT CHAIN
The Justice Department's complaint alleges that Cracker Barrel violated Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by engaging in a pattern or practice of discrimination against African-American customers and prospective customers on the basis of their race or color. Specifically, the complaint alleges that Cracker Barrel:
- allowed white servers to refuse to wait on African-American customers;
- segregated customer seating by race;
- seated white customers before African-American customers who arrived earlier;
- provided inferior service to African-American customers after they were seated; and
- treated African-Americans who complained about the quality of Cracker Barrel's food or service less favorably than white customers who lodged similar complaints.
The Justice Department's investigation revealed evidence of such conduct in approximately 50 different Cracker Barrel restaurants in seven states: Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia.
United States Department of Justice
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2004/May/04_crt_288.htm
Merrill Lynch
Charges of discrimination towards minority employees
In July 2006, a lawsuit alleging discriminatory hiring and promotion practices was brought by over 70 current and former African-American employees. Following commencement of the action, additional employees joined the suit and counsel is now seeking class-action status. These legal actions remain unresolved as of May 2008.
On June 26, 2007, the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) brought suit against Merrill Lynch,[32] alleging the firm discriminated against Dr. Majid Borumand because of his Iranian nationality and Islamic religion, with "reckless disregard" for his protected civil rights.[33] The EEOC law suit maintains that violations by members of the firm were intentional and committed with malice. In another case concerning mistreatment of another Iranian employee by Merrill Lynch on July 20, 2007, less than a month after EEOC law suit, a NASD arbitration panel ordered Merrill Lynch to pay its former Iranian employee, Fariborz Zojaji, $1.6 million for firing him due to his Persian ethnicity.[34][35][36] Merrill Lynch's actions prompted reactions from both the National Iranian-American council, and the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee.[37]
In its June 2008 issue, Diversity Inc. named Merrill Lynch one of the top 10 companies for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgendered employees, and the #7 top company in the US for diversity overall. In 2007, Merrill Lynch was named the #2 best company in the US for people with disabilities by Diversity Magazine.[38] As of June 5, 2008, Merrill Lynch has created the West Asian, Middle Eastern and North African (WAMENA) Professional Network to help support and provide additional resources for employees of diverse backgrounds. In May 2008, Merrill Lynch was named the #1 US company for "Diverse College Graduates" by Diversity Edge magazine, edging out Microsoft for the top spot on the rankings.[39]
New Jersey appeals court on August 13, 2008 rendered a ruling against Merrill Lynch in a discrimination law suit filed by a gay employee.[40]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merril_Lynch#Charges_of_discrimination_towards_minority_employees
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White people are not better then non-white people, but being white in the USA, even today, is much better than being non-white. :)
Race does have a negative effect on the life of minorities in the US.
2004 RACE DISCRIMINATION LAWSUIT AGAINST CRACKER BARREL
MONDAY, MAY 3, 2004
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SETTLES RACE DISCRIMINATION LAWSUIT AGAINST CRACKER BARREL RESTAURANT CHAIN
The Justice Department's complaint alleges that Cracker Barrel violated Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by engaging in a pattern or practice of discrimination against African-American customers and prospective customers on the basis of their race or color. Specifically, the complaint alleges that Cracker Barrel:
- allowed white servers to refuse to wait on African-American customers;
- segregated customer seating by race;
- seated white customers before African-American customers who arrived earlier;
- provided inferior service to African-American customers after they were seated; and
- treated African-Americans who complained about the quality of Cracker Barrel's food or service less favorably than white customers who lodged similar complaints.
The Justice Department's investigation revealed evidence of such conduct in approximately 50 different Cracker Barrel restaurants in seven states: Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia.
United States Department of Justice
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2004/May/04_crt_288.htm
Merrill Lynch
Charges of discrimination towards minority employees
In July 2006, a lawsuit alleging discriminatory hiring and promotion practices was brought by over 70 current and former African-American employees. Following commencement of the action, additional employees joined the suit and counsel is now seeking class-action status. These legal actions remain unresolved as of May 2008.
On June 26, 2007, the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) brought suit against Merrill Lynch,[32] alleging the firm discriminated against Dr. Majid Borumand because of his Iranian nationality and Islamic religion, with "reckless disregard" for his protected civil rights.[33] The EEOC law suit maintains that violations by members of the firm were intentional and committed with malice. In another case concerning mistreatment of another Iranian employee by Merrill Lynch on July 20, 2007, less than a month after EEOC law suit, a NASD arbitration panel ordered Merrill Lynch to pay its former Iranian employee, Fariborz Zojaji, $1.6 million for firing him due to his Persian ethnicity.[34][35][36] Merrill Lynch's actions prompted reactions from both the National Iranian-American council, and the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee.[37]
In its June 2008 issue, Diversity Inc. named Merrill Lynch one of the top 10 companies for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgendered employees, and the #7 top company in the US for diversity overall. In 2007, Merrill Lynch was named the #2 best company in the US for people with disabilities by Diversity Magazine.[38] As of June 5, 2008, Merrill Lynch has created the West Asian, Middle Eastern and North African (WAMENA) Professional Network to help support and provide additional resources for employees of diverse backgrounds. In May 2008, Merrill Lynch was named the #1 US company for "Diverse College Graduates" by Diversity Edge magazine, edging out Microsoft for the top spot on the rankings.[39]
New Jersey appeals court on August 13, 2008 rendered a ruling against Merrill Lynch in a discrimination law suit filed by a gay employee.[40]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merril_Lynch#Charges_of_discrimination_towards_minority_employees
You are making the assumption that I am white
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You are making the assumption that I am white
No.
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This is so stupid.The women met the cops outside on the sidewalk.She hasnt commented on what she said to the cops then.By the way,the cop was 100% correct,IT WAS TWO blacks but it wasnt backpacks it was suitcases.We didnt hear the transmition of the dispatcher and what was told to the cop.Its fairly amazing the cop got it 100% correct without ANYONE telling him.That would be some trick.If thats racial profiling,then cops need to use it more often because it seems to provide exact details and descriptions.Once again,the cop was right and Gates and Obama are race baitors.
Actually, the womAn (singular) did meet Crowley outside, ...and she said "I'm the woman who called" to which Crowley responded "Wait Here!"
We have heard the 911 call, as well as the audio dispatch call to Crowley. infact, I posted both on the board.
We have indeed heard from the caller who called 911, and she states she never mentioned race at all.
No it wasn't two Black men, it was one Black man, and one Moroccan man (his driver who helped get the door open)
Crowley didn't get it right, ...his police report makes that clear enough.
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This is so stupid.The women met the cops outside on the sidewalk.She hasnt commented on what she said to the cops then.By the way,the cop was 100% correct,IT WAS TWO blacks but it wasnt backpacks it was suitcases.We didnt hear the transmition of the dispatcher and what was told to the cop.Its fairly amazing the cop got it 100% correct without ANYONE telling him.That would be some trick.If thats racial profiling,then cops need to use it more often because it seems to provide exact details and descriptions.Once again,the cop was right and Gates and Obama are race baitors.
WRONG!