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"best ever" ::) ...it hasnt been since the 1980's that arnold's physique is worthy of the IFBB..
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"best ever" ::) ...it hasnt been since the 1980's that arnold's physique is worthy of the IFBB..
I don't care what anyone says, from a purely heterosexual point of view natural bodybuilding is better, and more interesting.
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I don't care what anyone says, from a purely heterosexual point of view natural bodybuilding is better, and more interesting.
what does heterosexuality have to do with natural bodybuilding ? and what does natural bodybuilding have to do with arnie?
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what you smoking son?
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Arnold would be on the same shit current pros are on tho.
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And in 20 years, we shall say the same thing about Ronnie...
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what does heterosexuality have to do with natural bodybuilding ? and what does natural bodybuilding have to do with arnie?
Fuck it, I don't make any sense. I'm to tired... ;D
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And in 20 years, we shall say the same thing about Ronnie...
Wrong. Noone will come close to Ronnie ever. Coleman pushed the limit of what's possible with a human body as far as size and conditioning.
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Arnold would be on the same shit current pros are on tho.
what...gh and insulin ? could current pro's get access to unlimited amounts of 100% human grade steroids at dirt cheap prices like arnie used to have? ;)
And in 20 years, we shall say the same thing about Ronnie...
if you mean that in 20 years time the bodybuilders inn the ifbb will be so big and shredded that ronnie couldnt get a pro card? that would be dope..
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Wrong. Noone will come close to Ronnie ever. Coleman pushed the limit of what's possible with a human body as far as size and conditioning.
Haha, yeah right. ;D
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Haha, yeah right. ;D
Klaus doesn't count.
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what...gh and insulin ? could current pro's get access to unlimited amounts of 100% human grade steroids at dirt cheap prices like arnie used to have? ;)
true, but price doesn't matter when your sponsor is giving them to you. ;D
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if you mean that in 20 years time the bodybuilders inn the ifbb will be so big and shredded that ronnie couldnt get a pro card? that would be dope..
Not necessarily, but someone can atleast start a thread in which a furious debate is being held about the subject. ;D
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Klaus doesn't count.
I know, I'm not counting Klaus. ;) Seriously, in the future, some schmoe studies genetics and discovers what exactly holds back the muscle growth in our genome and turns that thing off...or, somebody makes a new discovery how even more drugs can be used safely. I think we can't even imagine what could happen...
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If Arnold had the drugs of today he would still rule ;)
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I know, I'm not counting Klaus. ;) Seriously, in the future, some schmoe studies genetics and discovers what exactly holds back the muscle growth in our genome and turns that thing off...or, somebody makes a new discovery how even more drugs can be used safely. I think we can't even imagine what could happen...
Never ever this can be topped (No homo/Hulkster)
(http://area-taku.main.jp/diary/images/ronnie2.jpg)
The standards Coleman set 10 years ago will still be unmatched in 10 years from now, my opinion. Maybe Kai can come close if he survives the next 5 years lol, we'll see.
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"best ever" ::) ...it hasnt been since the 1980's that arnold's physique is worthy of the IFBB..
Imagine what Arnold would look like on the they have today. And what would Ronnie and the others look like without they shit they have today,
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The standards Coleman set 10 years ago will still be unmatched in 10 years from now, my opinion.
times change, drugs change, standards change.
with myostatin inhibitors, gene manipulation, and who knows what, bodybuilding will change.
hopefully gh guts and lypoatrophic faces will disappear. and bodybuilders won't get winded walking across the stage.
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Ronnie wouldn't have won back then. They would have considered him gotesque and unappealing.
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(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/Begin02_LG.jpg)
we already know what ronnie's base physique before the drugs. a pretty nice size college LBer. next? i'm betting he kills 99% of the guys on this site...esp athletically in his day.
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Great biceps.....and not much else. ::)
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Great biceps.....and not much else. ::)
legs were okay too
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times change, drugs change, standards change.
with myostatin inhibitors, gene manipulation, and who knows what, bodybuilding will change.
hopefully gh guts and lypoatrophic faces will disappear. and bodybuilders won't get winded walking across the stage.
Even if new drugs would allow for more size than 300lbs at 5'10". The heart can only take so much...
Obese ppl over 300lbs are struggeling and fat is just dead weight, muscles require blood, oxygen etc...
Coleman is unsurpassable, at 300 you are already pushing it. I think we are at the end of the line. Who would be willing to weigh 320 or more in contest shape, which translates to 20lbs heavier offseason. 340-350lbs to walk around with ???
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"best ever" ::) ...it hasnt been since the 1980's that arnold's physique is worthy of the IFBB..
And yet, he makes a certain recent Mr. O look like dog shit. Go figure.
(http://ironage.us/virtual/arnie-ronnie.jpg)
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Even if new drugs would allow for more size than 300lbs at 5'10". The heart can only take so much...
Obese ppl over 300lbs are struggeling and fat is just dead weight, muscles require blood, oxygen etc...
Coleman is unsurpassable, at 300 you are already pushing it. I think we are at the end of the line. Who would be willing to weigh 320 or more in contest shape, which translates to 20lbs heavier offseason. 340-350lbs to walk around with ???
Easy. Just install second set of heart and lungs. Capacity = doubled. ;D Not even impossible idea. ;)
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And yet, he makes a certain recent Mr. O look like dog shit. Go figure.
Just like ND you use only some of the lamest comparisons out there, curtesy the low standards of iron age lol
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I think we are at the end of the line. Who would be willing to weigh 320 or more in contest shape, which translates to 20lbs heavier offseason. 340-350lbs to walk around with ???
and in the late 70s and early 80s, when all the top bodybuilders were in the 240 range, who would have thought that 280 was even possible? who could have predicted the change in physiques, even at local amateur contests, caused by gh and insulin?
I mentioned gene manipulation is on the horizon. that would certainly include improvements to the heart and lungs.
My prediction: we'll reach the end of the line of bodybuilding when anyone can at any time have any physique. no workouts necessary. manipulate a few genes, hook up to a machine to pump you full of nutrients, go to sleep, wake up with an Olympia type physique. Need a swimmers build next weekend? No problem. Change as many times as you like.
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Just like ND you use only some of the lamest comparisons out there, curtesy the low standards of iron age lol
If Ronnie's superiority is on the level that you continually claim, it should not matter. Seems to me that you're essentially admitting that even during Ronnie's Olympia reign, it's unfair to compare him to the guy who was champ way back in 1975. Weak! Truly weak. Then again, he did lose to Gunter!
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he could. He had quality mass.
At 237lbs looks IMO 265lbs. He was good enough.
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and in the late 70s and early 80s, when all the top bodybuilders were in the 240 range, who would have thought that 280 was even possible? who could have predicted the change in physiques, even at local amateur contests, caused by gh and insulin?
I mentioned gene manipulation is on the horizon. that would certainly include improvements to the heart and lungs.
My prediction: we'll reach the end of the line of bodybuilding when anyone can at any time have any physique. no workouts necessary. manipulate a few genes, hook up to a machine to pump you full of nutrients, go to sleep, wake up with an Olympia type physique. Need a swimmers build next weekend? No problem. Change as many times as you like.
we'll see the hover boards from "back to the future part 2" before we see this
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we'll see the hover boards from "back to the future part 2" before we see this
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lol we'll see a whole lot more than hoverboards before that will be reality
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Some people like Arnie are relatively light and huge looking.
Some people are really heavy on the scale though don't look as big.
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These pics are from the 70's and tremendous just think if he had the shit today these guys are taking. 8)
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Another plain old stupid thread!!
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Another plain old stupid thread!!
I agree lets spice it up...
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Just like ND you use only some of the lamest comparisons out there, curtesy the low standards of iron age lol
:D
(http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/575675/1055189.jpg)
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weight is just a number. arnold stated he was more concerned with "proportions" and "symmetry" than just getting big. Markus Ruhl is big, but is not as good as arnold. arnold could have gotten bigger, but he chose to stay in proportion.
Also, look at the big guys today. How much of that extra weight is in their guts? They have size 40 waists, so no wonder they weigh more.
arnold wasnt in proportion. his chest and biceps over powered everything else in his upperbody, and even his other upper body parts (the ones that are so overpowered by his chest and biceps) way overpower his lower body.
lack of abdominal distension doesnt automatically mean shape and symetry
arnnie next to ruhl they would have to give it to ruhl based on size alone..not to mention everything aboutg ruhls entire physique is/was better than arnies. ruhl is one of the few huge mass monsters with a tight waist and v taper
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Just like ND you use only some of the lamest comparisons out there, curtesy the low standards of iron age lol
pumpster the troll in yet another Arnold thread typing my name ;D thanks for proving my point ;)
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pumpster the troll in yet another Arnold thread typing my name ;D thanks for proving my point ;)
How about this troll stops trying to hijack threads long enough to focus on what it's about lol
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:D
(http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/575675/1055189.jpg)
Good comparison. Couple of things. Arnold still holds his own there (you can't exactly see Ronnie dominating in size can you?), and at that point (in 1973, at the age of 26) was still a work in progress. ;)
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How about this troll stops trying to hijack threads long enough to focus on what it's about lol
again trolling your opinion in yet another Arnold thread whilst mentioning my name .
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(http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/575675/1055189.jpg)
thats a fucking joke.
arnold could never equal ronnie on size and conditioning
now dont tell me arnolds toothpic legs were tha same size as ronnies as dispplayed in this photoshopes as hell pic
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All natural ;D
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thats a fucking joke.
arnold could never equal ronnie on size and conditioning
now dont tell me arnolds toothpic legs were tha same size as ronnies as dispplayed in this photoshopes as hell pic
Arnold is behind on size & conditioning no doubts comparing the era's is silly because of the massive advances in technology and drugs
the more important question is how would Ronnie compare while doing just d-balls and whatever else Arnold was on or how about the same weight? or less? I mean if they two face each other in a contest Ronnie would win easily but that's not saying much
despite all of the advantages compared to Ronnioe just purely from an aesthetic standpoint Arnold looks better in this pose to me at least
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thats a fucking joke.
arnold could never equal ronnie on size and conditioning
now dont tell me arnolds toothpic legs were tha same size as ronnies as dispplayed in this photoshopes as hell pic
Are you friggin blind?? Arnolds legs are half the size of Colemans and soaking-wet. Same goes for the arms. Where does he hold his own in that pic or equls him on size and conditioning lol??
I posted that pic to show how pathetic Arnold looks next to a Coleman, and not to show how good he can hold his own.
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arnold could never equal ronnie on size and conditioning
could never? I'm not sure if this is just bad grammar or what. If you mean Arnold never did equal Ronnie on size and conditioning, well of course, they were in different eras with different drugs. If instead you mean if everything else was equal, Ronnie would still dominate Arnold, then you don't know what you're talking about. Compare Arnold at 16 with Ronnie at 16. They were either both drug free, or pretty close to it. Arnold was the better athlete, had the better physique when they were in their teens. Compare Arnold and Ronnie when they both only used steroids. Arnold would dominate. Compare when they both used GH, Ronnie would dominate, but that's because he was still an up and coming bodybuilder, and Arnold was making billions of dollars for the movie studios. Compare Arnold and Ronnie were doing gh and insulin and a whole bunch of other drugs. Whoops, Arnold never used the current drugs, at least not in any significant way.
To put it another way, what makes an athlete tops in his field? Genetics, knowledge, resources, and drive. Ronnie has the bigger physique because of better knowledge and resources (better drugs, better ways to use them). Arnold is one of the most driven persons in the world. And Arnold had incredible genetics. If a young bodybuilder with Arnold's genetics and drive were to take all the drugs Ronnie has taken, there is no reason to think he couldn't accomplish just as much, if not more.
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could never? I'm not sure if this is just bad grammar or what. If you mean Arnold never did equal Ronnie on size and conditioning, well of course, they were in different eras with different drugs. If instead you mean if everything else was equal, Ronnie would still dominate Arnold, then you don't know what you're talking about. Compare Arnold at 16 with Ronnie at 16. They were either both drug free, or pretty close to it. Arnold was the better athlete, had the better physique when they were in their teens. Compare Arnold and Ronnie when they both only used steroids. Arnold would dominate. Compare when they both used GH, Ronnie would dominate, but that's because he was still an up and coming bodybuilder, and Arnold was making billions of dollars for the movie studios. Compare Arnold and Ronnie were doing gh and insulin and a whole bunch of other drugs. Whoops, Arnold never used the current drugs, at least not in any significant way.
To put it another way, what makes an athlete tops in his field? Genetics, knowledge, resources, and drive. Ronnie has the bigger physique because of better knowledge and resources (better drugs, better ways to use them). Arnold is one of the most driven persons in the world. And Arnold had incredible genetics. If a young bodybuilder with Arnold's genetics and drive were to take all the drugs Ronnie has taken, there is no reason to think he couldn't accomplish just as much, if not more.
Great post ! succinct
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Great post ! succinct
Could Arnold equal Dorian if everything was equal?
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Arnold was the man..................... ..PERIOD!! :)
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Just like ND you use only some of the lamest comparisons out there, curtesy the low standards of iron age lol
yup.
Ronnie crushes Arnold's prime. only the ignorant like Mr. 1duhful believe this:
however, as correctly mentioned, this is because of different eras with different technologies/drugs.
Arnold had great genetics. but so did ronnie.
if they had an equal playing feild, who knows..
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yup.
Ronnie crushes Arnold's prime. only the ignorant like Mr. 1duhful believe this:
And still you feel the need to post pics and argue about it. ;D
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A 30 something year difference is hardly a fair comparison...........hen ce a waste of a thread by Taylor once again.
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Could Arnold equal Dorian if everything was equal?
Sure why not? I don't think we ever seen a ' best ever ' Arnold he retired really young when most guys are hitting their strides these days
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I've said it once and I'll say it again...
It speaks volume when you're awarded the IFBB Gold Order as being the GREATEST bodybuilder of the 20th century. :)
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/hgjh87.jpg)
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Sure why not? I don't think we ever seen a ' best ever ' Arnold he retired really young when most guys are hitting their strides these days
Exactly! Age 33 (1980 Mr. Olympia).
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yup.
Ronnie crushes Arnold's prime. only the ignorant like Mr. 1duhful believe this:
however, as correctly mentioned, this is because of different eras with different technologies/drugs.
Arnold had great genetics. but so did ronnie.
if they had an equal playing feild, who knows..
Being a hard worker is typically the hallmark of becoming Mr. Olympia. In that vein, Ronnie and Arnold are similar. Additionally, they both have genetic gifts that helped them reach the top. I would suggest, however, that Arnold would prevail if competing in the same era as Ronnie. Arnold is truly a unique individual, with a drive and determination very seldom seen. In many ways, he parallels his terminator character, as he refuses to let anything detour him, no matter what obstacles present themselves. Arnold would will himself to victory and raise his game to whatever level necessary to defeat his opponent. Is Ronnie not strong willed? Certainly, but I do not believe in the same manner as Arnold. Arnold's biggest strength may not be his body, but rather, his mental fortitude to succeed.
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Why even compare?? Different era, different kind of drugs like others have said. Another dumbass thread by yours truely Tbombz! Seriously dude, you need to lay off the crack pipe.
It's like comparing a 1972/3 BMW 2002 turbo vs. a 2009 BMW M3. Completely stupid, of course the latter would be better in just about every aspect because it's a 30 year difference. Atleast I would hope so, Arnold in his time dominated. Now you have too many bber's who are 5'6, 5'4. Not much over 5'11.
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Why even compare?? Different era, different kind of drugs like others have said. Another dumbass thread by yours truely Tbombz! Seriously dude, you need to lay off the crack pipe.
It's like comparing a 1972/3 BMW 2002 turbo vs. a 2009 BMW M3. Completely stupid, of course the latter would be better in just about every aspect because it's a 30 year difference. Atleast I would hope so, Arnold in his time dominated. Now you have too many bber's who are 5'6, 5'4. Not much over 5'11.
True, but there are those that would have an affinity more towards the look of the vintage car.
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True, but there are those that would have an affinity more towards the look of the vintage car.
True, but in terms of speed, comfort, safety, tech, new models are superior. Looks are subjective like bbing, but there's no denying that that present day bbing owns old age in muscularity, conditioning, etc... I would hope so given the 30 year difference.
In bbing, I perfer the vintage look hence Arnold, plus he's white and is over 6 foot tall. The ultimate Aryan ;D
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True, but in terms of speed, comfort, safety, tech, new models are superior. Looks are subjective like bbing, but there's no denying that that present day bbing owns old age in muscularity, conditioning, etc... I would hope so given the 30 year difference.
In bbing, I perfer the vintage look hence Arnold, plus he's white and is over 6 foot tall. The ultimate Aryan ;D
lol ;D
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Arnold had great genetics. but so did ronnie.
if they had an equal playing feild, who knows..
LOL what a lame comparison Arnold at age 23 was allready Mr.O and forced to trim down (AT THAT AGE)since he lost to Zane in 1969 50 pounds litghter than him.
So he NEVER reached his potential, Ronnie won the O at 34, after 10 years plus of drug abuse and shitty calves.
Yes same GENETICS...LOL
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yup.
Ronnie crushes Arnold's prime. only the ignorant like Mr. 1duhful believe this:
however, as correctly mentioned, this is because of different eras with different technologies/drugs.
Arnold had great genetics. but so did ronnie.
if they had an equal playing feild, who knows..
How do type so much with Colemans dick in your mouth
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(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/Begin02_LG.jpg)
we already know what ronnie's base physique before the drugs. a pretty nice size college LBer. next? i'm betting he kills 99% of the guys on this site...esp athletically in his day.
Pretty sure he was on drugs then too. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Arnold was the MAN!! He's the Ronnie of today. Dorian of yesterday. Lee Haney of the day before!! Give these guys credit!! Each took it to the next level!! :)
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Ronnie is bigger, harder & more conditioned than Arnold, but that will not change the fact the Arnold had a more eye pleasing physique that everyone is aiming for.
At least for me I would rather look like Arnold than to look like Ronnie .
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Ronnie is bigger, harder & more conditioned than Arnold, but that will not change the fact the Arnold had a more eye pleasing physique that everyone is aiming for.
At least for me I would rather look like Arnold than to look like Ronnie .
Anyone who feels this way has to factor in that the preference is usually not just Arnold, it's the era-they would probably say the same thing about any number of 60s-70s BBs vs. today's guys.
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As far as the speculation/wishful thinking by the usual assortment of Arnold hangers-on and misfits that Schwarzenegger would've gotten better had he continued competing, that's very debatable[/b]. Factoring in the length of time he was juicing and training seriously beginning in his early teens, his career was about as long as Colemans and I suspect based on the visual evidence coupled with his actions he knew by 73-74 he'd gone as far as he could in terms of BB goals.
Most of the Arnold ball lickers don't train and thus don't comprehend that Schwarzie knew to hang it up at his best; perfect fodder for babbling groupies then and now to continue the what-ifs lol. He only came out of retirement a couple of times for movie-related reasons, not for BB purposes.
The drugs are another issue and they likely would've been a big factor BUT we'll never know that nor what the downsides on his appearance would've been either.
post those pics of arnold at the contest after the 1975 or 1980 olympia...when he was competing at a heavier weight.
??? I think you mean some other years.
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"best ever" ::) ...it hasnt been since the 1980's that arnold's physique is worthy of the IFBB..
They didnt have muscletech back then no?
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(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/ronnie-coleman-mr-olympia-2004/27.JPG)
dats vicky gates's baby he's carrying >:(
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they both look more human when OFF STEROIDS.
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could never? I'm not sure if this is just bad grammar or what. If you mean Arnold never did equal Ronnie on size and conditioning, well of course, they were in different eras with different drugs. If instead you mean if everything else was equal, Ronnie would still dominate Arnold, then you don't know what you're talking about. Compare Arnold at 16 with Ronnie at 16. They were either both drug free, or pretty close to it. Arnold was the better athlete, had the better physique when they were in their teens. Compare Arnold and Ronnie when they both only used steroids. Arnold would dominate. Compare when they both used GH, Ronnie would dominate, but that's because he was still an up and coming bodybuilder, and Arnold was making billions of dollars for the movie studios. Compare Arnold and Ronnie were doing gh and insulin and a whole bunch of other drugs. Whoops, Arnold never used the current drugs, at least not in any significant way.
To put it another way, what makes an athlete tops in his field? Genetics knowledge, resources, and drive. Ronnie has the bigger physique because of better knowledge and resources (better drugs, better ways to use them). Arnold is one of the most driven persons in the world. And Arnold had incredible genetics. If a young bodybuilder with Arnold's genetics and drive were to take all the drugs Ronnie has taken, there is no reason to think he couldn't accomplish just as much, if not more.
Well Ronnie is a borderline downs syndrome
Arnold is among one of the most shrewd clever men on earth
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dats vicky gates's baby he's carrying >:(
Actually it was confirmed as a transplant.
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As far as the speculation/wishful thinking by the usual assortment of Arnold hangers-on and misfits that Schwarzenegger would've gotten better had he continued competing, that's very debatable[/b]. Factoring in the length of time he was juicing and training seriously beginning in his early teens, his career was about as long as Colemans and I suspect based on the visual evidence coupled with his actions he knew by 73-74 he'd gone as far as he could in terms of BB goals.
Most of the Arnold ball lickers don't train and thus don't comprehend that Schwarzie knew to hang it up at his best; perfect fodder for babbling groupies then and now to continue the what-ifs lol. He only came out of retirement a couple of times for movie-related reasons, not for BB purposes.
The drugs are another issue and they likely would've been a big factor BUT we'll never know that nor what the downsides on his appearance would've been either.
??? I think you mean some other years.
As far as the speculation/wishful thinking by the usual assortment of Arnold hangers-on and misfits that Schwarzenegger would've gotten better had he continued competing, that's very debatable[/b]. Factoring in the length of time he was juicing and training seriously beginning in his early teens, his career was about as long as Colemans and I suspect based on the visual evidence coupled with his actions he knew by 73-74 he'd gone as far as he could in terms of BB goals.
It's not debatable he would have gotten better it's a fact , there were many areas of his physique he most certainly could have and did improve on like abdominals , intercostals and obliques ( see 1980 where this areas clearly improved over his early days ) because there were more of an emphasis on these muscles , another area he could have most certainly improved was hamstrings , he could have improved on his conditioning as well .
And he had gone as far as he could go in terms of his BB goals? how about he did everything he wanted to and wanted to move onto bigger & better things , he really didn't face anyone who pushed him with the sole exception of Sergio and Arnold thrives on competition and I wish Sergio would have beat Arnold in 72 that would have motivated Arnold even more to improve . and he was juicing since his early teens? and? back then they would come off and they aren't on anything anywhere near what they're doing today , so stop acting like his physique was burnt out from heavy drug use
Most of the Arnold ball lickers don't train and thus don't comprehend that Schwarzie knew to hang it up at his best; perfect fodder for babbling groupies then and now to continue the what-ifs lol. He only came out of retirement a couple of times for movie-related reasons, not for BB purposes.
He never reached his best not considered all of the above , he had many areas he could have improved on , I love how it drives you absolutely crazy that Arnold crushed your heros , you've even reduced to attacking anyone who agrees with Arnold's dominance ;D maybe if he used a BowFlex he would have really improved LMFAO I bet he couldn't bench 400 pounds power-rods
The drugs are another issue and they likely would've been a big factor BUT we'll never know that nor what the downsides on his appearance would've been either.
Arnold was tall he could have added a lot of size to his quads , hams and even his back with NO ill effects to his structure it would have balanced out his physique more as well
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Actually it was confirmed as a transplant.
at least dorian held it in on stage
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at least dorian held it in on stage
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Without a doubt if Arnold competed today with the same drive and motivation he had for bodybuilding in the 60s and 70s he would be numero uno.
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Arnold could do whatever the fuck he wanted
You think he wouldnt have beaten Alvisi,Darryl Gee,Ayotoyin or whichever nobody wins the North Americans this weekend??
Fuck,I even fancy my own chances
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Pretty sure he was on drugs then too. Sorry to burst your bubble.
bet he was a good quad A player in louisiana without the drugs. ronnie was too country, was all grits and heavy weights in North LA , didnt start the drugs til police dept and bbing. it's documented ronnie was clueless about drugs for the longest. u realize that people can excel with the drugs. the world cant do a damn thing without steriods is the anthem of this board. i'm sure shawn ray set those records in orange cty without drugs also as a RB. wild guess phil heath played D1 without gear.
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i mean at least Dorian held it in on stage mang!
Ronnie..well that belly is a disgrace...
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at least dorian held it in on stage
hahaha what drugs are you on?
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Die steirische Eichl still rocks....
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Arnold in his prime could not win a pro card this year.
It would be up to the judges. Arnold's best competition weight, at the 1974 Olympia, was 237 lbs. That is only a little bit below what a top amateur of Arnold's height would compete at. Considering his incredible aesthetics and the fact that he still holds his own in size, he could win a pro card. The judges would look at Arnold and see that he was only 10-20 lbs lighter than other competitors of his height but with superior aesthetics, and that might make him win or the size difference would tip the scales in favor of his competitors. In any case, Arnold's deficiency in size, compared to top amateurs, would be small enough to give him a chance of winning. Now, for a top pro Arnold would be too small. You would expect a top pro of Arnold's height to compete around 280 lbs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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hahaha what drugs are you on?
where is the gut? ??? I see thick obliques not gut
hmmmm pic up an anatomy book
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Here come the Yates vs Coleman fags/geeks to ruin another thread that has nothing to do with them.
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Here come the Yates vs Coleman fags/geeks to ruin another thread that has nothing to do with them.
Ahhh if you notice I was sticking to the topic until Hulkster & pumpster the trolls invaded
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Ahhh if you notice I was sticking to the topic until Hulkster & pumpster the trolls invaded
Yup, the ambiguously gay duo Huckster & Pumpster strike again.
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There aren't too many bodybuilders that wouldn't give their left nut to look like the Oak.
Nice work on the caps, ND!
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Arnolds low on stage weight was lagely due to his smallish legs.
If he was competing nowadays no doubt he would bring his legs up to modern standards.
Would be 255lbs+ on stage...
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i wish i 'could not' win a pro card in my prime
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I'm not a fan but comparing most modern bodybuilders to Arnold is silly. He just had superior genetics and all the drugs in the world aren't gonna make most guys come close.
There's an old saying that applies: You can't polish a turd. :)
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I'm not a fan but comparing most modern bodybuilders to Arnold is silly. He just had superior genetics and all the drugs in the world aren't gonna make most guys come close.
There's an old saying that applies: You can't polish a turd. :)
Exactly..The gyms are full of guys that are loaded up on 3 grams of test a week, insulin, tons of GH and most of them can't come close to to Arnold on a handful of d-bols and few Primobolin shots a week.
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Exactly..The gyms are full of guys that are loaded up on 3 grams of test a week, insulin, tons of GH and most of them can't come close to to Arnold on a handful of d-bols and few Primobolin shots a week.
From a purely genetic standpoint, I'd argue well over 90% of people are wasting their money on drugs.
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"best ever" ::) ...it hasnt been since the 1980's that arnold's physique is worthy of the IFBB..
ARNIE HAS THE GREATEST CHEST EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAYBE BICEPS TOO!!!!!!!!!!!! AS FOR CALVES, MANY CHAMPS TODAY WISH THEY HAD A SET OF CALVES LIKE THE OAK
TODAY THE GUYS LOOK LIKE CATTLE................AR NIE HAD EVERYTHING..........HE TOOK FAR LESS DRUGS AND NEVER HAD A SO-CALLED GUT ON HIM LIKE THESE GUYS POSSESS TODAY......ARNOLD AND COMPANY WOULD LOOK MUCH MORE PLEASING THAN THE SYNTHOL ENHANCED CATTLE OF TODAY. RANT OVER!!
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WHY IS IT THAT PEOPLE STILL ARE TALKING ABOUT WEIGHT......WHO CARES WHAT THESE GUYS WEIGH TODAY.............THEY LOOK AWEFUL......SAVE DEX...MELVIN....TROY.... .VINNY.....DEX.....
WHAT DOES IT MATTER ABOUT CONTEST WEIGHT........I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THESE 280 POUND GUYS
ARNOLD @ A MUCH LIGHTER BODYWEIGHT STILL OUT CLASSES THE GUYS OF TODAY!!! SO DO.....ROBBY.....LEE HANEY.....DEMEY......PAD ILLA.......THE LIST GOES ON......THESE FELLAS TODAY ARE A MESS.....BUT WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE HERE OBSESSED WITH WHAT THE FRIGGIN SCALE SAYS.....DEX IS 225-230 AND WILL BEAT ALL THESE GORILLAS WITH 40 INCH WAISTS........
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Exactly..The gyms are full of guys that are loaded up on 3 grams of test a week, insulin, tons of GH and most of them can't come close to to Arnold on a handful of d-bols and few Primobolin shots a week.
is insulin use common among just regular gym rats these days?
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Some people like Arnie are relatively light and huge looking.
Some people are really heavy on the scale though don't look as big.
true this seems to be a concept a lot of people cant get there head around....
people carry weight differently.
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is insulin use common among just regular gym rats these days?
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It seems to be..plus you read about a lot of guys on this board that use it....that don't exactly look like Pros.
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Arnold was the best there ever was. It has only gone downhill after Arnold. Todays bodybuilding sucks royal ass!!!
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what...gh and insulin ? could current pro's get access to unlimited amounts of 100% human grade steroids at dirt cheap prices like arnie used to have? ;)
if you mean that in 20 years time the bodybuilders inn the ifbb will be so big and shredded that ronnie couldnt get a pro card? that would be dope..
you do seem to have this propensity to engage in reductio ad ridiculum