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I started getting terrible anxiety about a year ago, and had 5 fucking panic attacks last nite.
It feels like someone kicked me in the balls, and can't breathe.
Gonna see the doc and hopefully get a script for some benzo's :P
How do you bro's deal with this shit? and are there any OTC remedies to help?
-TIA
-TMM4U
Oh, and to keep this bodybuilding related. I get HEAVY attacks right after a heavy set of deads and squats :-X
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whats drugs are u on? they probably arent helping.
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Im guessing you're american?
already know what meds you want.. even Before going to the doctor.
try to figure out the REAL reason instead.
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Oh brother! "panic attacks" ::)
You're prob just hyperventilating........ ...Just use the paper bag from your moms head and get your breathing under control, slick.
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if there brought on by extream physical exertion like squats & deads they may not be panic.It may be a heart defect and that causes your heart to get out of rhythm...But if it turns out to just be anxiety just man up & quit being a lil bitch.I'm sick of everyone wanting to throw a pill at every little thing these days...best of luck man.
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.I'm sick of everyone wanting to throw a pill at every little thing these days...best of luck man.
I think its called "american"
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Ease up - if he can take something to ease the anxiety, take it. That is a luxury some don't have. If you have a job and decent health insurance - take something. Medicine has advanced to the point where no human shoul suffer or deal with anything unpleasant.
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Ease up - if he can take something to ease the anxiety, take it.
Also american Im guessing?
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Get a job! ;D
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I started getting terrible anxiety about a year ago, and had 5 fucking panic attacks last nite.
It feels like someone kicked me in the balls, and can't breathe.
Gonna see the doc and hopefully get a script for some benzo's :P
How do you bro's deal with this shit? and are there any OTC remedies to help?
-TIA
-TMM4U
Oh, and to keep this bodybuilding related. I get HEAVY attacks right after a heavy set of deads and squats :-X
i had them real bad, they put me on every med available and nothing worked.
so i stopped taking the meds, started drinking moderately(before i didn't drink at all), started taking long walks, and riding my motorcycle a lot more and they stopped.
i really think the long walks by myself helped more than anything.
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if there brought on by extream physical exertion like squats & deads they may not be panic.It may be a heart defect and that causes your heart to get out of rhythm...But if it turns out to just be anxiety just man up & quit being a lil bitch.I'm sick of everyone wanting to throw a pill at every little thing these days...best of luck man.
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Agreed. Just have some whiskey.
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I started getting terrible anxiety about a year ago, and had 5 fucking panic attacks last nite.
It feels like someone kicked me in the balls, and can't breathe.
Gonna see the doc and hopefully get a script for some benzo's :P
How do you bro's deal with this shit? and are there any OTC remedies to help?
-TIA
-TMM4U
Oh, and to keep this bodybuilding related. I get HEAVY attacks right after a heavy set of deads and squats :-X
Are you sure they are "panic" attacks and not a form of arrythmia? Does it happen sometimes when you're laying down doing nothing? If so, does it feel like a weight on your chest, throat closed or pressure in neck? Light headedness accompanied by a deep pulse feeling in your neck?
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i had them real bad, they put me on every med available and nothing worked.
so i stopped taking the meds, started drinking moderately(before i didn't drink at all), started taking long walks, and riding my motorcycle a lot more and they stopped.
i really think the long walks by myself helped more than anything.
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For sure man, that sounds like a great idea. I'm coming off bodybuilding drugs, so I'm sure the hormonal fluctuations might have something to do with it.
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Im guessing you're american?
already know what meds you want.. even Before going to the doctor.
try to figure out the REAL reason instead.
We're on a Social Medication System (SMS). Everyone gets their meds from drinking water: http://www.usnews.com/articles/science/2009/04/19/tons-of-released-drugs-taint-us-water.html
...except Howard
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Are you sure they are "panic" attacks and not a form of arrythmia? Does it happen sometimes when you're laying down doing nothing? If so, does it feel like a weight on your chest, throat closed or pressure in neck? Light headedness accompanied by a deep pulse feeling in your neck?
No, I am pretty certain it is anxiety. First I start feeling VERY weak in my legs. Then my stomach gets upset, sometimes to a point where I puke. My heart starts beating fast, and my flace flushes pale white.
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Get a better looking girlfriend.That might help. ;D
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Oh brother! "panic attacks" ::)
You're prob just hyperventilating........ ...Just use the paper bag from your moms head and get your breathing under control, slick.
Thanks Dr. SS MD ::) ::)
Many panic attack sufferers as well as doctors recommend breathing into a paper bag as an effective short-term treatment of an acute panic attack.[13] However, this treatment has been criticised by others as ineffective and possibly hazardous to the patient, even potentially worsening the panic attack.[14] They say it can fatally lower oxygen levels in the blood stream,[15] and increase carbon dioxide levels, which in turn has been found to be a major cause of panic attacks. [16]
It is therefore important to discover whether hyperventilation is truly involved in each case. If it is, then rebalancing the oxygen/CO2 levels in the blood and/or re-establishing an even, measured breathing pattern is an appropriate treatment which may be also achieved by extending the outbreath either by counting or even humming.[17]
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Hmm i took Remeron, (antidepressant) for 2 years to help me with my insomnia, helped me a lot sleeping. But made me depressed, it supposed to be against depression ??? So i quit for 4 months, everything went great got my energy back, felt great. Then couldnt sleep for weeks and took just a little of remeron during the day. Man o man what a mistake. Got some serious side effects that night. As soon as night came heart started beating like crazy, irregular beating+ my mind pattern went nuts for the whole night, like a damn emotional meltdown. Cried the night outside like a little baby, havent cried for 10 years. Next night the same shit, so had to take some more remeron to calm down. Never had this prior to the meds, they fuck you up, so im taking half the pil for now. Thaught i had a panick attack, but this was far worse, my breathing was fine. I thought i would die for you bitches.
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For sure man, that sounds like a great idea. I'm coming off bodybuilding drugs, so I'm sure the hormonal fluctuations might have something to do with it.
just remember that when you go on these walks go by yourself. the whole reason behind the walk is to clear your mind. also do not walk on a treadmill all walking needs to be done outdoors.
and drinking is fun.
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Check your blood sugar around the time you have the attacks.
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Stay away from musclebears and you should get better.
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stop taking so much fina
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not knowing how kai's glutes look 2 weeks out of the olympia can be really stressful can't it
sorry couldn't resist :D
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Anxiety aren't really a joke. You should ask about them somewhere where people actually give a shit.
It could be adrenal stress overload. They could come from any number of things. Get some lab work done, get an EKG, talk to the doc. They can come on at anytime and at anyplace.
The thoughts you have during an anxiety attack can easily dictate it's outcome and longevity. Some people deal with anxiety on a low level all the time. Others just have an occasional "big one"
The more you convince yourself something is wrong, the worse they get.
Sometimes learning stress management and maybe a little Xanax can get you through a tough time. Some of the symptoms for depression are the same for anxiety. You may have to back up, regroup, and analyze the situation for a time. If you had a choice between anxiety and depression, anxiety would be like a cake-walk. Depression is a tough one to kick. Usually the folks that get it (or have it) deal with it for the rest of their lives. The SSRI's can really suck and can have some shitty side effects. The help of a good doc or counselor, or even a friend who has been there before, can really help.
There could also be some underlying serious medical conditions or reaction to something you are taking (or coming off of)-- take it seriously, get some help, and get some peace of mind.
Good luck.
Dr. Dyslexic. :P
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i first got panic attacks 12 years ago. I was in the hospital for 3 months having 17 hour a day panic attacks. I got out of the hospital and still had them off and on for years. Through self experimentation i have beat them, having one in the last 2 years but that was due to pneumonia. The biggest factors in me beating them: I simply lost my fear of death, if I go I go, and thats that; I will never have sugar or caffeine on an empty stomach, and try to maintain a balanced insulin level with my eating; I stay VERY hydrated, drink tons of water, which I believe may be the biggest factor in beating panic; get 7-8 hours sleep; just dont let them own you, because they cant kill you, ever.
And I believe after heavy lifting the surge of adrenaline and hormone change is what causes "panic feelings", but is not an attack. I have experienced the exact same thing.
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I started getting terrible anxiety about a year ago, and had 5 fucking panic attacks last nite.
It feels like someone kicked me in the balls, and can't breathe.
Gonna see the doc and hopefully get a script for some benzo's :P
How do you bro's deal with this shit? and are there any OTC remedies to help?
-TIA
-TMM4U
Oh, and to keep this bodybuilding related. I get HEAVY attacks right after a heavy set of deads and squats :-X
That Sucks! Sorry to hear about the panic attacks. I had them many years ago... I know the feeling, "you can't breath, and you feel like you are going to die"!!! Remember they are feelings, not fact!!! Most times they are related to something traumatic, (i.e.) car accident, death of someone, eviction, etc... The onset is usually six to twelve months after the event. Its a physical Post Traumatic Stress Response!!! You can take something like an Rx. from your MD for anxiety, but you should try to assess what has, or is happening that would make you have the panic attacks....The most weird thing I found, is that the panic response most times is totally unrelated to the trigger event. This is just my thoughts. I do wish you luck with this matter. Take care....
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SSRI - Helps but will worsen the PA:s in the beginning of treatment. Serotonergic syndrom, depressions etc. ...
Benzo - Is the best against sudden attacks but very addictive.
Almost too good to be true - the Devil in a pill.
When the benzos are cleared out of the system the side-effect will be an "attack" much worse than the one you had before you took the pill.
So, you will end up popping pills all day...
There are a lot of people addicted to them.. be careful before you decide if it is worth the risk.
Try to find out what is causing the panic attacks before you go to the doctor as a lot of posters already adviced you to.
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i first got panic attacks 12 years ago. I was in the hospital for 3 months having 17 hour a day panic attacks. I got out of the hospital and still had them off and on for years. Through self experimentation i have beat them, having one in the last 2 years but that was due to pneumonia. The biggest factors in me beating them: I simply lost my fear of death, if I go I go, and thats that; I will never have sugar or caffeine on an empty stomach, and try to maintain a balanced insulin level with my eating; I stay VERY hydrated, drink tons of water, which I believe may be the biggest factor in beating panic; get 7-8 hours sleep; just dont let them own you, because they cant kill you, ever.
And I believe after heavy lifting the surge of adrenaline and hormone change is what causes "panic feelings", but is not an attack. I have experienced the exact same thing.
Damn good post.
I don't think a lot of folks realize just how scared of death they can become... even subconsciously. I think it could easily get worse as you get older, possibly more so during a "mid-life" crisis. Maybe even a fear of being alone.
I also stopped drinking coffee. I will have a Coke Zero now and then, but the Ass(partame) makes me leary too.
I don't mind time-released Guarana too much. Just a little dab l' do ya.
Balancing the insulin never became more important. I never eat foods that cause insulin spikes anymore. Lost a good deal of bodyfat because of it.
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some ppl in my family get those. I dont have time for those. too busy working.
Drink some red wine, crank one out, and chill the F out. Find out what it is you're stressing ,and either accept it or deal with it.
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I started getting terrible anxiety about a year ago, and had 5 fucking panic attacks last nite.
Oh, and to keep this bodybuilding related. I get HEAVY attacks right after a heavy set of deads and squats :-X
Go to your local quack and get some AROPAX
That will keep them thar panic attacks at bay!
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100mg Viagra ed.
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Gord...take 300 mg of magnesium glycinate 3 times a day (empty stomach)
You may need to take 5-HTP or tryptophan to boost serotonin production
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Sometimes I wake up and my heart beats like CRAZY, I wonde rif a panic attack feels something like that.
Alot of panic attacks are probably just BS.
But I have a friend that has them, and when it happends, its Intense.
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100mg Viagra ed.
i know this besides the point of this thread but 100mg's of Viagra is amazing
the erection you get will make your cock mimick something that could kill a mass of zombies when a zombie outbreak occurs
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Do 30 mins of cardio almost everyday. Seems to reduce anxiety and depression. Scientific studies show that 30 mins of moderate cardio 5 days a week is just as effective as the antidepressant zoloft in reducing anxiety and depression without the side effects. The pharmaceutical industry would rather you on med$. Five to ten grams of fish oils a day.
i was going to say the same. when i feel depressive i noticed it really makes me feel better when ive done some cardio. slightly euphoric and i can see things in perspective again. must be the endorphins i think.
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i was going to say the same. when i feel depressive i noticed it really makes me feel better when ive done some cardio. slightly euphoric and i can see things in perspective again. must be the endorphins i think.
I only feel this way after I finish cardio....I think it's because I'm so happy its over. ;D
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i know this besides the point of this thread but 100mg's of Viagra is amazing
the erection you get will make your cock mimick something that could kill a mass of zombies when a zombie outbreak occurs
I tried one of these little fellas a couple of weeks ago... i felt like i could fuck a dead pig, don't want to imagine taking 2 of these fuckers. :o
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Do you drink a lot of coffee? Are you on any stimulants? Fat loss supps? Something as simple as too much caffeine can cause panic/anxiety attacks. I had this problem years ago and reduced my caffeine intake and the problem was cured.
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I get panic attacks at last call.
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I get panic attacks at last call.
So do the remaining women, who you're eying. ;D
/cheap shot
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So do the remaining women, who you're eying. ;D
/cheap shot
Eh,if I'm still at the bar at last call I'm too drunk to do anything anyway :P
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I only feel this way after I finish cardio....I think it's because I'm so happy its over. ;D
That's pretty funny... and true.
I recently picked up a real comfortable folding recumbant bike. I can do cardio while I play on the computer... whack off, whatever.
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Im guessing you're american?
already know what meds you want.. even Before going to the doctor.
try to figure out the REAL reason instead.
I've had them. I realized I was overworked, overtired, and I was anxious as hell @ my mother in law... dig deep and ask yourself a lot of uncomfortable questions and truthfully answer them. Forget the drugs. They just mask and bury things temporarily. Solve the problem and it's done with for good and you're that much better off down the road for whatever obstacles come your way
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I started getting terrible anxiety about a year ago, and had 5 fucking panic attacks last nite.
It feels like someone kicked me in the balls, and can't breathe.
Gonna see the doc and hopefully get a script for some benzo's :P
How do you bro's deal with this shit? and are there any OTC remedies to help?
-TIA
-TMM4U
Oh, and to keep this bodybuilding related. I get HEAVY attacks right after a heavy set of deads and squats :-X
xanax
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Im guessing you're american?
already know what meds you want.. even Before going to the doctor.
try to figure out the REAL reason instead.
I've had them. I realized I was overworked, overtired, and I was anxious as hell @ my mother in law... dig deep and ask yourself a lot of uncomfortable questions and truthfully answer them. Forget the drugs. They just mask and bury things temporarily. Solve the problem and it's done with for good and you're that much better off down the road for whatever obstacles come your way
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That's pretty funny... and true.
I recently picked up a real comfortable folding recumbant bike. I can do cardio while I play on the computer... whack off, whatever.
Recently I hooked up my old PS2 next to my elliptical. It's a Precor, so I don't have to hold the handrails on it....I've been playing Madden while doing cardio! Works pretty well.
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I'm thinking you can beat this panic attack you speak off. Just start doing cardio regularly and train a little harder. In Steve Reeves' book he said that men with big chests rarely get sick at all. So build up your chest, torso and lung capacity and this thing should go away. Try to build your chest to the 50-inch mark and keep your waist under 32!
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Maybe you have toomuchmusclefor yourself...
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...But if it turns out to just be anxiety just man up & quit being a lil bitch.
some ppl in my family get those. I dont have time for those. too busy working.
Drink some red wine, crank one out, and chill the F out. Find out what it is you're stressing ,and either accept it or deal with it.
Funny how it's always the guys who've never experienced them who say to just butch the fuck up. ::)
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Funny how it's always the guys who've never experienced them who say to just butch the fuck up. ::)
i have had um....years back...and the doc wanted 2 dope me up on meds.Thats when I said to myself...OK...your doing this shit to yourself so you can stop them by yourself.I dropped all stimulants coffee,soda,also dropped alcohol because many people self medicate with it but then it exacerbates the situation when your sober...I began drinkin 2 gallons of water a day,doing tons of cardio & got a new mind set....A mind set of "Quit being a lil bitch & cowboy up"Guess what?not only do I not get anxiety attacks anymore but I don't even get slightly stressed by anything.shit just rolls right off me anymore...
Like I said I can't stand society today & how everyone wants to take a pill just to feel normal...man up pussies!
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i have had um....years back...and the doc wanted 2 dope me up on meds.Thats when I said to myself...OK...your doing this shit to yourself so you can stop them by yourself.I dropped all stimulants coffee,soda,also dropped alcohol because many people self medicate with it but then it exacerbates the situation when your sober...I began drinkin 2 gallons of water a day,doing tons of cardio & got a new mind set....A mind set of "Quit being a lil bitch & cowboy up"Guess what?not only do I not get anxiety attacks anymore but I don't even get slightly stressed by anything.shit just rolls right off me anymore...
Like I said I can't stand society today & how everyone wants to take a pill just to feel normal...man up pussies!
QFT
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Maybe you have toomuchmusclefor yourself...
X2.... I was thinking the same thing Okami
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i have had um....years back...and the doc wanted 2 dope me up on meds.Thats when I said to myself...OK...your doing this shit to yourself so you can stop them by yourself.I dropped all stimulants coffee,soda,also dropped alcohol because many people self medicate with it but then it exacerbates the situation when your sober...I began drinkin 2 gallons of water a day,doing tons of cardio & got a new mind set....A mind set of "Quit being a lil bitch & cowboy up"Guess what?not only do I not get anxiety attacks anymore but I don't even get slightly stressed by anything.shit just rolls right off me anymore...
Like I said I can't stand society today & how everyone wants to take a pill just to feel normal...man up pussies!
While some people may want the pills and an easy fix there's tons of people who resist taking drugs, hate the idea of taking psych drugs, but who finally see no other option since the situation becomes so unbearable. To suggest that you can simply will your way out of any mental problem, or that anxiety is just a character flaw, is simplistic. Sometimes the brain chemistry just goes haywire out of the blue and it's very hard to think yourself out of it, to think your brain healthy. Would you suggest a bi-polar to think himself out of his illness? Or a schizo? Yes, therapy can help anxiety issues but sometimes there's no time to wait for the therapy to start working.
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Funny how it's always the guys who've never experienced them who say to just butch the fuck up. ::)
2 years ago i had one, ended up in the hospital thinking it was a heart attack. hyperventilating, arms numb, vomiting, all that. EKG was fine.
Doc told me I could let them happen my entire life, or find a way to get thru them.
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Panic attacks suck. Alot of people think that the person getting them just needs to man up but that way of thinking is plain crap. I went to the doctor and got checked out and according to my 24hr urine sample my norepinephrine and epinephrine levels were double what they should have been. I went back to have blood work done to confirm the results of the urine test and it they are positive they will schedule me for a cat scan to determine if I have some sort of growth on the adrenal gland.
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2 years ago i had one, ended up in the hospital thinking it was a heart attack. hyperventilating, arms numb, vomiting, all that. EKG was fine.
Doc told me I could let them happen my entire life, or find a way to get thru them.
Some people only experience a single episode or find a way to get over it. Not everyone is so lucky. Sometimes panic attacks are caused by anabolic steroids or thyroid drugs (or hyperthyroidism not caused by taking drugs) for example. It's kind of hard to think yourself out of it when your brain/body chemistry is out of whack. The anxiety is sort of a "normal" reaction. Just like a fight or flight response on a smaller scale is a normal reaction to heavy stimulant use. You brain chemistry can be seriously out of whack even without taking drugs or being physically ill. It can be compared to thinking yourself out of any other purely physical ailment.
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Some people only experience a single episode or find a way to get over it. Not everyone is so lucky. Sometimes panic attacks are caused by anabolic steroids or thyroid drugs (or hyperthyroidism not caused by taking drugs) for example. It's kind of hard to think yourself out of it when your brain/body chemistry is out of whack. The anxiety is sort of a "normal" reaction. Just like a fight or flight response on a smaller scale is a normal reaction to heavy stimulant use. You brain chemistry can be seriously out of whack even without taking drugs or being physically ill. It can be compared to thinking yourself out of any other purely physical ailment.
I guess you're right. I konw two people who use it as excuses not to get jobs. They don't panic when buying weed or talking to girls, but lo and behold, they panic at any job. Even trying to get social security for 'social anxiety disorder'. makes me sick.
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I guess you're right. I konw two people who use it as excuses not to get jobs. They don't panic when buying weed or talking to girls, but lo and behold, they panic at any job. Even trying to get social security for 'social anxiety disorder'. makes me sick.
I've been thinking about this. Do you think these people are really happy, they just don't want to work? I would think most mentally healthy people wouldn't want the label and stigma of "mentally ill social security guy". Maybe they are work shy and lazy but on the other hand I think there's some mental issues with most of these people.
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A panic Attack is a horrible experience.They say they 90% of people who go into the emergency room, with chest pain thinking they Are having a heart attack is usually just a panic or an anxiety attack.Panic attack ks are brought on by the body releasing to much adrenaline, which is helps us in case a life or death situation,.Unfortunately it is triggered by to much caffeine, other stimulants, or obsessive thinking.Alot of times you can take your self out of a panic attack just by, calming down and taking slow, deep breaths, and taking your mind off of what ever it is that is upsetting you.Most people have a panic attack when there mind is racing a 100 miles per hour, and it over whelms them.Panic attacks are very very real and very scary.But if you just relax, and take deep slow breaths,and just remind yourself that, this is just a panic attack, and it will pass, if I just learn to relax.Meditating can help stop panic attacks,alot of the time.Most of the time people panic, because they obsessing or overreacting about a problem or situation that they cannot control.
If you have panic attacks avoid, Caffeine and stimulants right away.Also don't take Benedryl, it has also been linked to panic attacks when take with Caffeine.If your body produced to much adrenaline already, and your adding caffeine, that is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline.Most importantly don't self medicate with Xanax, or Clonopin, unless it is absolutely necessary, these drugs are very habit forming.Plus your body never learns to deal with the anxiety because your putting a band aide on the problem, not solving the problem.
You have to find out why you are having these panic attacks, and learn to emotionally strengthen yourself.Adrenaline is actually a good thing, you just got to learn to use it as a tool, and not let it put you into a panic.
Plus if you self medicate, when your out of medication, your body will have a panic attack from withdrawls, from the medication your taking.Because the body didnt learn to cope with the stress yuor putting it through.I heard Xanax withdrawls are like a living hell .The last thing you need when you have anxiety, is to have withdrawals from medication.Thats a road you dont want to go down, trust me.I have seen alot of people go down hil fast from abusing medications,as a crutch.
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While some people may want the pills and an easy fix there's tons of people who resist taking drugs, hate the idea of taking psych drugs, but who finally see no other option since the situation becomes so unbearable. To suggest that you can simply will your way out of any mental problem, or that anxiety is just a character flaw, is simplistic. Sometimes the brain chemistry just goes haywire out of the blue and it's very hard to think yourself out of it, to think your brain healthy. Would you suggest a bi-polar to think himself out of his illness? Or a schizo? Yes, therapy can help anxiety issues but sometimes there's no time to wait for the therapy to start working.
I understand what your saying...however. bipolar and ADHD are two of the most overly diagnosed supposed ailments in todays society....everyone is bipolar or ADHD these days.A hyperactive kid to an adult with the occasional mood swing...you must understand it's not what drugs your strung out on that the government cares about it's who's.....thats why late at night all you see is commercials asking you..are you tired?Depressed?suffer from insomnia?worry to much?Sleep to much?Always hungry?Dry mouth?constipation?hot flashes?cold sweats?Just don't feel yourself?Do you go to bed then wake up?....well then heres a pill that will do the trick!!!It's all by design...It's all about $Money$ and control...go ahead though sheep "ah um" I mean people....keep rationalizing that you need to do drugs just to get you threw your daily lives.....
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I understand what your saying...however. bipolar and ADHD are two of the most overly diagnosed supposed ailments in todays society....everyone is bipolar or ADHD these days.A hyperactive kid to an adult with the occasional mood swing...you must understand it's not what drugs your strung out on that the government cares about it's who's.....thats why late at night all you see is commercials asking you..are you tired?Depressed?suffer from insomnia?worry to much?Sleep to much?Always hungry?Dry mouth?constipation?hot flashes?cold sweats?Just don't feel yourself?Do you go to bed then wake up?....well then heres a pill that will do the trick!!!It's all by design...It's all about $Money$ and control...go ahead though sheep "ah um" I mean people....keep rationalizing that you need to do drugs just to get you threw your daily lives.....
Yes it's a business and drugs are over prescribed but OTOH many critics seem to think there's no such thing as bipolar for example, but that is very ignorant. Try treating a paranoid schizophrenic or bipolar I without drugs and see where that gets you. Same with someone with major depression.
There's a good and bad side to psych drugs.
Then there's the one's who recommend "natural" drugs such as cannabis for everything yet rave against the pharma industry.
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Yes it's a business and drugs are over prescribed but OTOH many critics seem to think there's no such thing as bipolar for example, but that is very ignorant. Try treating a paranoid schizophrenic or bipolar I without drugs and see where that gets you. Same with someone with major depression.
There's a good and bad side to psych drugs.
Then there's the one's who recommend "natural" drugs such as cannabis for everything yet rave against the pharma industry.
Do you support the war on drugs?...
Schizophrenia & manic depression are very serious ailments.However the original topic is stress or anxiety related ailments.And there were numerous people talking about this drug and that drug....Which is fine as a last resort....Are you eating properly?(over weight)..staying hydrated?..not deficient in any vitamines or minerals?Getting plenty of exercise?have you talked to a shrink or counselor?Anotherwards have you done absolutely everything in your power to be the best/healthest person you can be?If you have done all that and then some but still suffer from your ailment then...and only then do you consider throwing drugs into the mix....Sadly this very rarely is the case.Most people tend to look for the quick fix or the easy way if you will.American's as a whole are highly overmedicated and you would have to be in a drug induced daze of your own to not see it.
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Do you support the war on drugs?...
Schizophrenia & manic depression are very serious ailments.However the original topic is stress or anxiety related ailments.And there were numerous people talking about this drug and that drug....Which is fine as a last resort....Are you eating properly?(over weight)..staying hydrated?..not deficient in any vitamines or minerals?Getting plenty of exercise?have you talked to a shrink or counselor?Anotherwards have you done absolutely everything in your power to be the best/healthest person you can be?If you have done all that and then some but still suffer from your ailment then...and only then do you consider throwing drugs into the mix....Sadly this very rarely is the case.Most people tend to look for the quick fix or the easy way if you will.American's as a whole are highly overmedicated and you would have to be in a drug induced daze of your own to not see it.
I basically agree with you. All I'm saying is that panic anxiety can be extremely debilitating, very real and that sometimes drugs are warranted. If you can't even leave your house, are on the brink of suicide, you isolate yourself from all social interaction etc, then drugs may be needed to even be able to get to the therapists office - drugs may be needed for a period of time to allow you to start working on the underlying issues.
I don't support the war on drugs.
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oh boy.
insecurity issues, then take steroids to overcome them, then when off steroids you need xanax.
pathetic.
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oh boy.
insecurity issues, then take steroids to overcome them, then when off steroids you need xanax.
pathetic.
I love the gains Tren gave me..but after 8+ weeks, the sides (anxiety) really started to fuck with me.
Will I run Tren or any other AAS in the future? Yes, Probably. I am really obsessed with myself. I can't seem to hold any girl I meet for more than a month because I am so self absorbed.
I've gotten panic attacks way before AAS use though. My rents split, and was forced to move out, and all this shit happened in a short time. I couldn't deal with it. So I went to this hippie fest, did alot of drugs. And haven't been right ever since then :-\
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I love the gains Tren gave me..but after 8+ weeks, the sides (anxiety) really started to fuck with me.
Will I run Tren or any other AAS in the future? Yes, Probably. I am really obsessed with myself. I can't seem to hold any girl I meet for more than a month because I am so self absorbed.
I've gotten panic attacks way before AAS use though. My rents split, and was forced to move out, and all this shit happened in a short time. I couldn't deal with it. So I went to this hippie fest, did alot of drugs. And haven't been right ever since then :-\
You need a shrink, or a good Zen teacher, Catholic priest or sth like that, but keep your hands away from drugs, especially tranquilizers and stuff.
Your problem is mental, don't need any drugs against that.
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Anxiety aren't really a joke. You should ask about them somewhere where people actually give a shit.
It could be adrenal stress overload. They could come from any number of things. Get some lab work done, get an EKG, talk to the doc. They can come on at anytime and at anyplace.
The thoughts you have during an anxiety attack can easily dictate it's outcome and longevity. Some people deal with anxiety on a low level all the time. Others just have an occasional "big one"
The more you convince yourself something is wrong, the worse they get.
Sometimes learning stress management and maybe a little Xanax can get you through a tough time. Some of the symptoms for depression are the same for anxiety. You may have to back up, regroup, and analyze the situation for a time. If you had a choice between anxiety and depression, anxiety would be like a cake-walk. Depression is a tough one to kick. Usually the folks that get it (or have it) deal with it for the rest of their lives. The SSRI's can really suck and can have some shitty side effects. The help of a good doc or counselor, or even a friend who has been there before, can really help.
There could also be some underlying serious medical conditions or reaction to something you are taking (or coming off of)-- take it seriously, get some help, and get some peace of mind.
Good luck.
Dr. Dyslexic. :P
yup. I know alllll to welll about having anxiety, panic attacks, depression, ocd, bipolar. So many people on "the outside" who have never suffered from severe mental illness' will NEVER EVER understand how it is. These people will talk soo much shit, saying toughin up, be a man or fuck taking a pill. Easier said than done.What you outsiders dont understand is you cant have brain surgery or "just put a bandaid" on severe mental illness'. Thats exactly what these medications are for. Every human being has had a least a mild anxiety/panic attack, no doubt about that BUT im talking about people who suffer from severe panic/anxiety attacks, and who basically cant live a normal daily life, like having job, relationship etc, those are people that NEED these "pills". People who need to take meds just from having a little stress, anxiety from work, etc.....are the ones that need to swig a shot of whiskey, or toughin up" and be a man". Those are the pussys'. People with severe mental illness' such as anxiety panic etc, best thing to do is get on meds, CBT, and keep your mind and body busy.
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yup. I know alllll to welll about having anxiety, panic attacks, depression, ocd, bipolar. So many people on "the outside" who have never suffered from severe mental illness' will NEVER EVER understand how it is. These people will talk soo much shit, saying toughin up, be a man or fuck taking a pill. Easier said than done.What you outsiders dont understand is you cant have brain surgery or "just put a bandaid" on severe mental illness'. Thats exactly what these medications are for. Every human being has had a least a mild anxiety/panic attack, no doubt about that BUT im talking about people who suffer from severe panic/anxiety attacks, and who basically cant live a normal daily life, like having job, relationship etc, those are people that NEED these "pills". People who need to take meds just from having a little stress, anxiety from work, etc.....are the ones that need to swig a shot of whiskey, or toughin up" and be a man". Those are the pussys'. People with severe mental illness' such as anxiety panic etc, best thing to do is get on meds, CBT, and keep your mind and body busy.
academy award for best post ever on this subject---well stated
man people who have never had a full blown panic attack and make statements like "its all in your head" or "get over it",........10 to 1 says they would off themselves if they had an actual PA--they have no idea
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Inevitability is key here.
I would think nearly everyone will eventually be suseptible to "stress overload" at some point in their lives.
Reading through the posts it appears some are confusing anxiety/panic attacks with depression. Yes, they may have some of the same symptoms, but they are two horses of a different color.
Kids today live at a much faster, technological pace than some of us did when we were their age. It would suit them to pay attention. A panic attack can hit you like a ton of fucking bricks.
I would hate to say "I told ya so"
Tread lightly. You burn the candle at both ends today... you pay tomorrow.
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Hmm i took Remeron, (antidepressant) for 2 years to help me with my insomnia, helped me a lot sleeping. But made me depressed, it supposed to be against depression ??? So i quit for 4 months, everything went great got my energy back, felt great. Then couldnt sleep for weeks and took just a little of remeron during the day. Man o man what a mistake. Got some serious side effects that night. As soon as night came heart started beating like crazy, irregular beating+ my mind pattern went nuts for the whole night, like a damn emotional meltdown. Cried the night outside like a little baby, havent cried for 10 years. Next night the same shit, so had to take some more remeron to calm down. Never had this prior to the meds, they fuck you up, so im taking half the pil for now. Thaught i had a panick attack, but this was far worse, my breathing was fine. I thought i would die for you bitches.
maybe theres your problem right there? "Serenity now, serenity now"
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maybe theres your problem right there? "Serenity now, serenity now"
No that one will drive you nuts. Use "WOOOOOOSSSA"!
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I love the gains Tren gave me..but after 8+ weeks, the sides (anxiety) really started to fuck with me.
Will I run Tren or any other AAS in the future? Yes, Probably. I am really obsessed with myself. I can't seem to hold any girl I meet for more than a month because I am so self absorbed.
I've gotten panic attacks way before AAS use though. My rents split, and was forced to move out, and all this shit happened in a short time. I couldn't deal with it. So I went to this hippie fest, did alot of drugs. And haven't been right ever since then :-\
you sound like a junkie I have no sympathy for drug addicts...Although if you went to a hippie fest you should have done some LSD & or mushrooms.In turn you should have had a self Revelation that your whole life was a complete joke & it should have helped you to steer your life in a better healthier direction
yup. I know alllll to welll about having anxiety, panic attacks, depression, ocd, bipolar. So many people on "the outside" who have never suffered from severe mental illness' will NEVER EVER understand how it is. These people will talk soo much shit, saying toughin up, be a man or fuck taking a pill. Easier said than done.What you outsiders dont understand is you cant have brain surgery or "just put a bandaid" on severe mental illness'. Thats exactly what these medications are for. Every human being has had a least a mild anxiety/panic attack, no doubt about that BUT im talking about people who suffer from severe panic/anxiety attacks, and who basically cant live a normal daily life, like having job, relationship etc, those are people that NEED these "pills". People who need to take meds just from having a little stress, anxiety from work, etc.....are the ones that need to swig a shot of whiskey, or toughin up" and be a man". Those are the pussys'. People with severe mental illness' such as anxiety panic etc, best thing to do is get on meds, CBT, and keep your mind and body busy.
you just rattled off 5-6 different ailments you have.I'm sorry but I thought the topic of the thread was anxiety attacks.Not schizophrenic bipolar manic depressives with ocd and mommy issuie's(child hood trauma).Fact of the matter is your the weak & should not reproduce.Your internal organs will give out b 4 your whacked out mind ever functions properly.HTH.....
Also if you actually read my post's you would see your contradiction's you've made with regards to my advice.I advise against "Swiging shot's of whiskey"
academy award for best post ever on this subject---well stated
man people who have never had a full blown panic attack and make statements like "its all in your head" or "get over it",........10 to 1 says they would off themselves if they had an actual PA--they have no idea
Me and van Bilderass was actually having an intelligent discussion.You guys are just wack jobs that want to justify your drug use....in fact I would like to see some studies in regard to these people with anxiety & there life history of drug use...For instance Prior use of marijuana,cocaine,alcohol,along with takin unprescribed prescription drugs recreationally such as Valium xanax or oxycotton..
like I've said I have sympathy for the guys who have tryed everything....Eat right,maintain a healthy weight,stay hydrated,made sure they didn't have vitamin & mineral deficant,Have been to a shrink or counselor,exercise regularly,cut caffeine & stimulants out of there diet,Don't do street drugs or self medicate with alcohol.For the folks that have done all that and more for a decent period of time I can see the need for pharmacy drugs(as a last resort)....however it's been my experience that the vast majority don't do this and go straight for the quick fix.
for those people
1:27 the worlds smallest violin playin just for the drug addicts.
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If it is as frequent as you say, benzos might be avoided because of the potential for abuse. Just make sure whatever you get that you are aware of the sides. Good luck!
I started getting terrible anxiety about a year ago, and had 5 fucking panic attacks last nite.
It feels like someone kicked me in the balls, and can't breathe.
Gonna see the doc and hopefully get a script for some benzo's :P
How do you bro's deal with this shit? and are there any OTC remedies to help?
-TIA
-TMM4U
Oh, and to keep this bodybuilding related. I get HEAVY attacks right after a heavy set of deads and squats :-X
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academy award for best post ever on this subject---well stated
man people who have never had a full blown panic attack and make statements like "its all in your head" or "get over it",........10 to 1 says they would off themselves if they had an actual PA--they have no idea
YUP ;D ;D
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academy award for best post ever on this subject---well stated
man people who have never had a full blown panic attack and make statements like "its all in your head" or "get over it",........10 to 1 says they would off themselves if they had an actual PA--they have no idea
Thanx bro. like i said soo many people, especially on here will talk soo much shit, dont bother me, i know im a "walking mental case". ;D or in the words of "BIG L DAWG" "whack job". ;D
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Hmm i took Remeron, (antidepressant) for 2 years to help me with my insomnia, helped me a lot sleeping. But made me depressed, it supposed to be against depression ??? So i quit for 4 months, everything went great got my energy back, felt great. Then couldnt sleep for weeks and took just a little of remeron during the day. Man o man what a mistake. Got some serious side effects that night. As soon as night came heart started beating like crazy, irregular beating+ my mind pattern went nuts for the whole night, like a damn emotional meltdown. Cried the night outside like a little baby, havent cried for 10 years. Next night the same shit, so had to take some more remeron to calm down. Never had this prior to the meds, they fuck you up, so im taking half the pil for now. Thaught i had a panick attack, but this was far worse, my breathing was fine. I thought i would die for you bitches.
I always thought Remeron was made straight from hell itself...Take a 30mg tab at night and the next day you feel like you been hit by a truck...
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Deep slow breathing every night before you go to bed...It really doesn't even have to be much...Like 10 deep breathes letting the air out really slow can do more then you could even imagine...I know it sounds too easy but sometimes thats all it takes...
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So I went to the Doctor , and he prescribed me a low dose Paxil...
I've done my research and to see with this, a shit ton of sides.
2 days in..
Disturbia, I think I read awhile that you took paxil..any experiences?
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I wonder why the doc prescribed an anti depressant? The SSRI drugs are in a different class than the benzos. The benzos might have a higher chance of abuse, but the antidepressants also have their drawbacks.
I guess its a tossup between SSRIs and benzos for GAD these days?
Either that or the doc thinks you have issues with depression...
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So I went to the Doctor , and he prescribed me a low dose Paxil...
I've done my research and to see with this, a shit ton of sides.
2 days in..
Disturbia, I think I read awhile that you took paxil..any experiences?
ya I have been on paxil for 12 years. I'm super happy with it. The first 3-4 weeks are rough getting used to it, 2 weeks for some people. Theres tremors (shakes), dry mouth and bleh feeling. After you get through the getting used to period, its gold. They can and probably will take the panic away. Be prepared for lower sex drive though.
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ya I have been on paxil for 12 years. I'm super happy with it. The first 3-4 weeks are rough getting used to it, 2 weeks for some people. Theres tremors (shakes), dry mouth and bleh feeling. After you get through the getting used to period, its gold. They can and probably will take the panic away. Be prepared for lower sex drive though.
I was on Paxil for a few years. It did the job for me when I needed it. When I got off of it I finally seemed like myself again. It took a few times because when you try to come off cold turkey you will be an emotional wreck. Get the shakes and head is just buzzing. So 12 Years..wow. I would hate to see you quit cold turkey. I bet it would not be a good sight.
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I was on Paxil for a few years. It did the job for me when I needed it. When I got off of it I finally seemed like myself again. It took a few times because when you try to come off cold turkey you will be an emotional wreck. Get the shakes and head is just buzzing. So 12 Years..wow. I would hate to see you quit cold turkey. I bet it would not be a good sight.
theres not much about me that is a pretty site--lolol
I won 2 tournaments outright in the last 3 days on full tilt
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theres not much about me that is a pretty site--lolol
I won 2 tournaments outright in the last 3 days on full tilt
yeah I thought about doing it but when I went from 20,000 chips down to zero in about an hour I decided maybe it was'nt my thing...lol.
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ya I have been on paxil for 12 years. I'm super happy with it. The first 3-4 weeks are rough getting used to it, 2 weeks for some people. Theres tremors (shakes), dry mouth and bleh feeling. After you get through the getting used to period, its gold. They can and probably will take the panic away. Be prepared for lower sex drive though.
holy shit.....how many mg?? i stopped taking my paxil a year ago, couldnt deal with the SIDES no more. i think i started at 30mg then went up to 60 and was on that for 3yrs, up until last summer. I was in a NO WIN situation with paxil, just like you said though, it helped me TREMENDOUSLY with my anxiety, panic attacks BUT like just said the sides were fuckin horrible. I was first taking it in the mornings, no good. I noticed that about 2-3hrs after id take it, thats when the SIDES would kick in...the nausea, dizziness, tiredness, so i told my doc all i would do is sleep all day cuz of the sides, so then he told me to start taking it in the evenings, then on top of that, i was taking TRAZADONE150MG every night to sleep, and basically with TRAZADONE, its so strong that it has a "hangover effect". So basically having sides from both the trazadone and paxil, all i did was sleep alll fuckin day. Like i keep saying though, the trazadone and paxil helped tremendously but the sides were brutal so i just started PROZAC 10mg a few weeks ago and still taking my trazadone150mg but i only take half of pill, 75mg.
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I wonder why the doc prescribed an anti depressant? The SSRI drugs are in a different class than the benzos. The benzos might have a higher chance of abuse, but the antidepressants also have their drawbacks.
I guess its a tossup between SSRIs and benzos for GAD these days?
Either that or the doc thinks you have issues with depression...
Why SSRIs? Because benzos will increase anxiety over time.
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So I went to the Doctor , and he prescribed me a low dose Paxil...
I've done my research and to see with this, a shit ton of sides.
2 days in..
Disturbia, I think I read awhile that you took paxil..any experiences?
STAY on a low dose, especially with paxil. IF you HAVE to get on a higher dose, depending on how bad your panic attacks are, stay on it for a year, then tell your doc you wanna start lowering the dose slowly. Now this is just my opinion though. and oh yeah, iF you do get on a higher dose, like disturbia said, be prepared for having a low sex drive, honestly though man, what hes really saying is, and what happen to me when i was jacked up on paxil, is get prepared for not having a sex life. :o :(
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For a non chemical way to treat these attacks with breathing exercises see here:
http://www.admart.asia/en/board.php?action=detail&id=126&lang=en§ion_id=9&category_id=165&pn=
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