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Even those who have lifted up, taught, spread and declared the LIE of Columbus discovering america have had enough...Now the TRUTH slowly begins to leak out.
A darker side of Columbus emerges in US classrooms
AP
In this Oct. 9, 2009 photo, Kindergarten students Kaileen Barreto, left, and AP – In this Oct. 9, 2009 photo, Kindergarten students Kaileen Barreto, left, and Shayonna Bridgeman load …
By CHRISTINE ARMARIO, Associated Press Writer Christine Armario, Associated Press Writer – Sun Oct 11, 10:43 am ET
TAMPA, Fla. – Jeffrey Kolowith's kindergarten students read a poem about Christopher Columbus, take a journey to the New World on three paper ships and place the explorer's picture on a timeline through history.
Kolowith's students learn about the explorer's significance — though they also come away with a more nuanced picture of Columbus than the noble discoverer often portrayed in pop culture and legend.
"I talk about the situation where he didn't even realize where he was," Kolowith said. "And we talked about how he was very, very mean, very bossy."
Columbus' stature in U.S. classrooms has declined somewhat through the years, and many districts will not observe his namesake holiday on Monday. Although lessons vary, many teachers are trying to present a more balanced perspective of what happened after Columbus reached the Caribbean and the suffering of indigenous populations.
"The whole terminology has changed," said James Kracht, executive associate dean for academic affairs in the Texas A&M College of Education and Human Development. "You don't hear people using the world 'discovery' anymore like they used to. 'Columbus discovers America.' Because how could he discover America if there were already people living here?"
In Texas, students start learning in the fifth grade about the "Columbian Exchange" — which consisted not only of gold, crops and goods shipped back and forth across the Atlantic Ocean, but diseases carried by settlers that decimated native populations.
In McDonald, Pa., 30 miles southwest of Pittsburgh, fourth-grade students at Fort Cherry Elementary put Columbus on trial this year — charging him with misrepresenting the Spanish crown and thievery. They found him guilty and sentenced him to life in prison.
"In their own verbiage, he was a bad guy," teacher Laurie Crawford said.
Of course, the perspective given varies across classrooms and grades. Donna Sabis-Burns, a team leader with the U.S. Department of Education's School Support and Technology Program, surveyed teachers nationwide about the Columbus reading materials they used in class for her University of Florida dissertation. She examined 62 picture books, and found the majority were outdated and contained inaccurate — and sometimes outright demeaning — depictions of the native Taino population.
The federal holiday itself also is not universally recognized. Schools in Miami, Dallas, Los Angeles and Seattle will be open; New York City, Washington and Chicago schools will be closed.
The day is an especially sensitive issue in places with larger native American populations.
"We have a very large Alaska native population, so just the whole Columbus being the founder of the United States, doesn't sit well with a lot of people, myself included," said Paul Prussing, deputy director of Alaska's Division of Teaching and Learning Support.
Many recall decades ago when there was scant mention of indigenous groups in discussions about Columbus. Kracht remembers a picture in one of his fifth-grade textbooks that showed Columbus wading to shore with a huge flag and cross.
"The indigenous population was kind of waiting expectantly, almost with smiles on their faces," Kracht said. "'I wonder what this guy is bringing us?' Well, he's bringing us smallpox, for one thing, and none of us are going to live very long."
Kracht said an emerging multiculturalism led more people to investigate the cruelties suffered by the Taino population in the 1960s and '70s, along with the 500th anniversary in 1992.
However, there are people who believe the discussion has shifted too far. Patrick Korten, vice president of communications for the Catholic fraternal service organization the Knights of Columbus, recalled a note from a member who saw a lesson at a New Jersey school.
The students were forced to stand in a cafeteria and not allowed to eat while other students teased and intimidated them — apparently so they could better understand the suffering indigenous populations endured because of Columbus, Korten said.
"My impression is that in some classrooms, it's anything but a balanced presentation," Korten, said. "That it's deliberately very negative, which is a matter of great concern because that is not accurate."
Korten said he doesn't believe such activities are widespread — though the lessons will certainly vary.
In Kolowith's Tampa class, students gathered around a white carpet, where they examined a pile of bright plastic fruits and vegetables, baby dolls, construction paper and other items as they decided what would be best for their voyage.
"Do you think it would be good to take babies on a long and dangerous boat ride?" he asked the class. "No!" they replied.
Fifteen miles away, in Seffner, Fla., Colson Elementary assistant principal Jack Keller visited students in a colonial outfit and gray wig, pretending to be Columbus and discussing his voyages. The suffering of natives was not mentioned.
"Our thing was to show exploration," he said.
Meanwhile, Crawford's Pennsylvania class dressed up as characters from the era, assigned roles for a mock trial and put Columbus on the stand. Out of a jury of 12 students, nine found him guilty of the charges.
"Every hero is somebody else's villain," said Felipe Fernandez-Armesto, a scholar and author of several books related to Columbus, including "1492: The Year the World Began."
"Heroism and villainy are just two sides of the same coin."
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Yeah this is what we need in this country...that teacher should be fired. More liberal bullshit.
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Yeah this is what we need in this country...that teacher should be fired. More liberal bullshit.
HH - do a google search and maybe you'll figure out that Columbus did a lot of really horrible stuff and was nice enough to keep diaries about it too.
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Yeah this is what we need in this country...that teacher should be fired. More liberal bullshit.
FIRED FOR TELLING THE TRUTH??????
How is it in america people who speak up, whistleblow, follow your constitution, talk about or encourage a Biblical way of life, OR TELL THE TRUTH are always attacked, ASSASSINATED, Ridiculed, looked over/past, HATED etc etc.? I don't understand. You complain of injustice, political shenanigans, corruption, dishonety yet you do everything to encourage it. Now, do you want to rid yourselves of it or not?
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FIRED FOR TELLING THE TRUTH??????
How is it in america people who speak up, whistleblow, follow your constitution, talk about or encourage a Biblical way of life, OR TELL THE TRUTH are always attacked, ASSASSINATED, Ridiculed, looked over/past, HATED etc etc.? I don't understand. You complain of injustice, political shenanigans, corruption, dishonety yet you do everything to encourage it. Now, do you want to rid yourselves of it or not?
encourage a Biblical way of life?
there's plenty of horrible shit in the bible too
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clearly an attack on Italian-Americans
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SAMSON we're Americans..not citizens of the world..Americans. Kids have no business putting Columbus on trial. Did the teacher talk about how these tribes killed each other or how American indian tribes mad war on each other..or black african tribes sold other black african tribes into slavery..or how only after the defeat of the Muslim Moors stuck in the 7th century was Europe able to launch the age of discovery. No!!!....Kids can learn all of this in high school or college when their thinking is evolved. And as Straw says....the damm bible is all about war and killing, more more so in the old testement then the new....
Yep BPJ...I'm sueing.
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clearly an attack on Italian-Americans
Columbus was a Spaniard not Italian. I for the life of me do not understand why the italians get all excited about Columbus day when it has nothing to do with them.
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it's part of history, and I'm okay with kids seeing all kinds of history. In my opinion, anti-americanism comes out of americans feeling betrayed by their country. Look at how some getbig members here can't stop complimenting the chinese, while shitting on obama for everything.
If this teacher was putting bush or obama on mock trial, I'd have a problem with it.
I don't care if they put historical figures in an honest light. Teaching our future leaders the truth is way better than some bullshit version of "Columbus rescued the indians", etc.
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Columbus was a Spaniard not Italian. I for the life of me do not understand why the italians get all excited about Columbus day when it has nothing to do with them.
Are u serious...leave the board now.
is generally, although not universally, agreed that Christopher Columbus was born between 25 August and 31 October 1451 in Genoa, part of modern Italy.[4] His father was Domenico Colombo, a middle-class wool weaver, who later also had a cheese stand where Christopher was a helper, working both in Genoa and Savona. His mother was Susanna Fontanarossa. Bartolomeo, Giovanni Pellegrino and Giacomo were his brothers. Bartolomeo worked in a cartography workshop in Lisbon for at least part of his adulthood.[5]
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Like this is news that Columbus was a big meanie? Every civilazation that has ever colonized\conquered another has done the same thing since time began. All this is, is an attempt to demonize America, that it is illegitimate from its very discovery. Kids these days have no real understanding of the history and greatness of this country, because the only history they teach anymore only dwells on the bad. My kid would have no idea what happened in the civil war, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam if it wasn't for me. No idea who US grant was or any other major player in the civil war but could write an essay about harriet tubman.
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it's part of history, and I'm okay with kids seeing all kinds of history. In my opinion, anti-americanism comes out of americans feeling betrayed by their country. Look at how some getbig members here can't stop complimenting the chinese, while shitting on obama for everything.
If this teacher was putting bush or obama on mock trial, I'd have a problem with it.
I don't care if they put historical figures in an honest light. Teaching our future leaders the truth is way better than some bullshit version of "Columbus rescued the indians", etc.
Kids at 4th grade don't need to be doing this....they aren't getting the truth..they're getting revisionist history. Things like this destroy the country. Children must learn to love this country first...not tear it apart. Each year they can learn more...do u understand why we hate Obama..because he's destroying this country bit by bit. LIbs continue to destroy everything that has been built here. Why do jobs go over seas...taxes and regulations that drive them away. Cons didnt do that.
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didn' we give the indians some diseased blankets? Surely we should scrub the history books and talk about how our down comforters saved the freezing indians?
you learn from your mistakes. If your teacher wrote "100% A+" on the top of every paper you did, would you ever learn anything? We realize we did some underhanded shit in the past - as every nation has - and we grow the F up.
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Kids at 4th grade don't need to be doing this....they aren't getting the truth..they're getting revisionist history. Things like this destroy the country. Children must learn to love this country first...not tear it apart. Each year they can learn more...do u understand why we hate Obama..because he's destroying this country bit by bit. LIbs continue to destroy everything that has been built here. Why do jobs go over seas...taxes and regulations that drive them away. Cons didnt do that.
holy shit - so much stupidity in such a short paragraph
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Kids at 4th grade don't need to be doing this....they aren't getting the truth..they're getting revisionist history. Things like this destroy the country. Children must learn to love this country first...not tear it apart. Each year they can learn more...do u understand why we hate Obama..because he's destroying this country bit by bit. LIbs continue to destroy everything that has been built here. Why do jobs go over seas...taxes and regulations that drive them away. Cons didnt do that.
i remember learning about the diseased blanket thing in 4th or 5th grade
I think it's a tad dramatic to say "Things like this destroy the country." Yes, it's s sad chapter. But it is what it is. Is this particular teacher being a whiny pusssy by spending time on this? of course. It'd be better for a 7th or 9th grade history law class, than using valuable elementary time on it.
I'm probably more annoytd this teacher has time NOT to spend on math, reading, and writing. In 5th grade, mock trials are a big waste of time.
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HH6,
It was 25 years ago that I learned about diseased blankets we gave the injuns. In 5th grade or so.
Do you think this should be changed?
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Are u serious...leave the board now.
is generally, although not universally, agreed that Christopher Columbus was born between 25 August and 31 October 1451 in Genoa, part of modern Italy.[4] His father was Domenico Colombo, a middle-class wool weaver, who later also had a cheese stand where Christopher was a helper, working both in Genoa and Savona. His mother was Susanna Fontanarossa. Bartolomeo, Giovanni Pellegrino and Giacomo were his brothers. Bartolomeo worked in a cartography workshop in Lisbon for at least part of his adulthood.[5]
It is now UNIVERSALLY AGREED that the whole Columbus tale was and is a LIE. This paragragh you posted is a perfect example of what you have been brainwashed to believe. The fallacy of Columbus has been known for years...I am glad it is now getting the attention it deserves.
And just for the record... Columbus reported to Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand of SPAIN with details on what he found in the so called New World andfor money for this "expidition". Why did he not report and ask for money from the ruler of Italy if he was Italian? Secondly his communications were always in SPANISH... not Italian. Hmmmmmm
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Hey moron...nobody is saying that..but not at 4th grade..because my kid got the "we used chemical warfare" crap on the indians too. But miss lib douchebag failed to talk about how midwestern tribes drove other tribes from hunting grounds and conducted wars on them, long before the US Cav appeared. They don't get that. They study the Civil War and they don't even get a class on the Mass 54th....Christ they could show Glory....oh no. ids have no idea what Omaha beach was all about. The military history of this country IS the history of this country. ONce kids get a baseline..they can take it further in High School and college. Oh and kids in Germany and Japan...those societies ignore WW2 like it never happened.
Hey shitbag...he worked for the Spanish..he worked for them....he worked for them. He was an Italian. He may have become a Spainish ciotizen but he was a Genovese.
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HH6,
It was 25 years ago that I learned about diseased blankets we gave the injuns. In 5th grade or so.
Do you think this should be changed?
First of all you need to get off you fucking Moral high horse, and I like to refer to myself as an American not an injun. It simply comes down to strength, if you are not strong enough to hold your territory, someone is going to take it from you. It is human nature, you can try to mask it with liberal sensibilities, but when push comes to shove the warrior always wins out.
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http://www.hartford-hwp.com/Taino/docs/columbus.html
This myth of the pawned jewels obscures the true and more sinister story of how Columbus financed his trip. The Spanish monarch invested in his excursion, but only on the condition that Columbus would repay this investment with profit by bringing back gold, spices, and other tribute from Asia. This pressing need to repay his debt underlies the frantic tone of Columbus' diaries as he raced from one Caribbean island to the next, stealing anything of value.
After he failed to contact the emperor of China, the traders of India or the merchants of Japan, Columbus decided to pay for his voyage in the one important commodity he had found in ample supply - human lives. He seized 1,200 Taino Indians from the island of Hispaniola, crammed as many onto his ships as would fit and sent them to Spain, where they were paraded naked through the streets of Seville and sold as slaves in 1495. Columbus tore children from their parents, husbands from wives. On board Columbus' slave ships, hundreds died; the sailors tossed the Indian bodies into the Atlantic.
Because Columbus captured more Indian slaves than he could transport to Spain in his small ships, he put them to work in mines and plantations which he, his family and followers created throughout the Caribbean. His marauding band hunted Indians for sport and profit - beating, raping, torturing, killing, and then using the Indian bodies as food for their hunting dogs. Within four years of Columbus' arrival on Hispaniola, his men had killed or exported one-third of the original Indian population of 300,000. Within another 50 years, the Taino people had been made extinct [editor's note: the old assumption that the Taino became extinct is now open to serious question] - the first casualties of the holocaust of American Indians. The plantation owners then turned to the American mainland and to Africa for new slaves to follow the tragic path of the Taino
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Hey moron...nobody is saying that..but not at 4th grade..because my kid got the "we used chemical warfare" crap on the indians too. But miss lib douchebag failed to talk about how midwestern tribes drove other tribes from hunting grounds and conducted wars on them, long before the US Cav appeared. They don't get that. They study the Civil War and they don't even get a class on the Mass 54th....Christ they could show Glory....oh no. ids have no idea what Omaha beach was all about. The military history of this country IS the history of this country. ONce kids get a baseline..they can take it further in High School and college. Oh and kids in Germany and Japan...those societies ignore WW2 like it never happened.
Hey shitbag...he worked for the Spanish..he worked for them....he worked for them. He was an Italian. He may have become a Spainish ciotizen but he was a Genovese.
No where is there talk of any supposed citizenship change and the Spaniards didn't need a Eye-Talian to WORK FOR THEM.... You see how easy it is to manufacture lies and for them to get out of hand and start being believed by the unsuspecting...
In Germany the only history that is forcibly ignored is the supposed holocaust. revealing the TRUTH of that upsets the HANDWRINGERS. The Japanese are experts in their own history of being bombed by america...long after the war was declared over.
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First of all you need to get off you fucking Moral high horse, and I like to refer to myself as an American not an injun. It simply comes down to strength, if you are not strong enough to hold your territory, someone is going to take it from you. It is human nature, you can try to mask it with liberal sensibilities, but when push comes to shove the warrior always wins out.
I'm not saying it's bad we gave them the blankets. No moral high horse here.
Agreed 100% it comes down to strength.
My Q is, at what age do you stop giving the kids a a candy-coated story? Sounds like we stop at 10 or 11 years old. I'm okay with that.
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SAMSON we're Americans..not citizens of the world..Americans. Kids have no business putting Columbus on trial. Did the teacher talk about how these tribes killed each other or how American indian tribes mad war on each other..or black african tribes sold other black african tribes into slavery..or how only after the defeat of the Muslim Moors stuck in the 7th century was Europe able to launch the age of discovery. No!!!....Kids can learn all of this in high school or college when their thinking is evolved. And as Straw says....the damm bible is all about war and killing, more more so in the old testement then the new....
Yep BPJ...I'm sueing.
You redeem your intellect a little with posts like these, even though it's still bottom of the barrel. LOL.
I agree it's important for kids to learn certain things in high school and go on to study them more in depth when their thinking has evolved. Why don't we just tell kids that there is no such thing as Santa Claus anymore?
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Straw...I'm not arguing he was a bad guy...i don't really care..but u made ur point with argument from me.
Hhahahaahahha...SAMSON.. ....ur an idiot. He was born in Genoa...who cares. The Germans don't study WW2...not even in their military schools. The Japs don't discuss WW2 period because then u sorta have to talk about China...ohoh. They attacked us....we stomped the dog shit out of them..I'mm very very very happy about that. The war didn't end until they signed that little paper on the Mighty Mo.
There's no Santa Claus?
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I'm not saying it's bad we gave them the blankets. No moral high horse here.
Agreed 100% it comes down to strength.
My Q is, at what age do you stop giving the kids a a candy-coated story? Sounds like we stop at 10 or 11 years old. I'm okay with that.
Children don't need to loose their innocents any sooner than necessary, maybe the teachers should think about that.
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Children don't need to loose their innocents any sooner than necessary, maybe the teachers should think about that.
what does this mean?
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Straw...I'm not arguing he was a bad guy...i don't really care..but u made ur point with argument from me.
Hhahahaahahha...SAMSON.. ....ur an idiot. He was born in Genoa...who cares. The Germans don't study WW2...not even in their military schools. The Japs don't discuss WW2 period because then u sorta have to talk about China...ohoh. They attacked us....we stomped the dog shit out of them..I'mm very very very happy about that. The war didn't end until they signed that little paper on the Mighty Mo.
There's no Santa Claus?
THe Japanese NEVER attacked america!!!..Now, can you tell me why?
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Thats my point...or more so...love ur country first and as u realize that there are always 2 sides or viewpoints from history, ur thinking will evolve.
Oh did u miss Dec 7th 1941....or Wake Island or..........ur an idiot.
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what does this mean?
What do you think it means? Children have differnet view of the world than teenager/adults do.
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Thats my point...or more so...love ur country first and as u realize that there are always 2 sides or viewpoints from history, ur thinking will evolve.
Oh did u miss Dec 7th 1941....or Wake Island or..........ur an idiot.
What happened on this date?
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I think ur local Witch doctor needs u to go milk the Yack....get back to us later.
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Thats my point...or more so...love ur country first and as u realize that there are always 2 sides or viewpoints from history, ur thinking will evolve.
Oh did u miss Dec 7th 1941....or Wake Island or..........ur an idiot.
let's review
"love ur country first"
hate your president and Commander in Chief second
what's third?
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What happened on this date?
Let me guess, you think it was Brandenbergs or the Rothchilds that used to some mind altering drug on all of America to make us think the Japanese bombed pearl harbor?
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What do you think it means? Children have differnet view of the world than teenager/adults do.
I have no idea was "loose their innocents" means.
Are you trying to say "lose their innocence"?
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let's review
"love ur country first"
hate your president and Commander in Chief second
what's third?
I'm 35....I can say and do whatever I want. A 4th grader needs to respect the Office of the President and love his country...and it would help if he actually learned about all the good things this country has done as well.
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Let me guess, you think it was Brandenbergs or the Rothchilds that used to some mind altering drug on all of America to make us think the Japanese bombed pearl harbor?
Cut off at the knees.
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I have no idea was "loose their innocents" means.
Are you trying to say "lose their innocence"?
;D
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I'm 35....I can say and do whatever I want. A 4th grader needs to respect the Office of the President and love his country...and it would help if he actually learned about all the good things this country has done as well.
but you do admit to literally hating the President and your Commander in Chief right.
at what age should your kids learn that?
Would you say 13 or should it be even older?
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Oh yeah..I hate him and everything about him. He's un-American. I wouldn't know that if I hadn't learned exactly what this country stands for. But thats me...not some 4th grader. A 4th grader must think that he lives ina great country and he should do everything and anything to make it better or preserve her ideals. He should respect the Office of the President...not act like Hitler Youth...and his government..because it always changes.
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but you do admit to literally hating the President and your Commander in Chief right.
at what age should your kids learn that?
Would you say 13 or should it be even older?
Kids don't need to learn to "hate" or "love" the POTUS, they can make that decision for themselves as they mature. Thats the problem, schools are supposed to teach things like math, english, history not opnions of whoever happens to be teaching at the time.
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YEAH.................... ........
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Oh yeah..I hate him and everything about him. He's un-American. I wouldn't know that if I hadn't learned exactly what this country stands for. But thats me...not some 4th grader. A 4th grader must think that he lives ina great country and he should do everything and anything to make it better or preserve her ideals. He should respect the Office of the President...not act like Hitler Youth...and his government..because it always changes.
wow - thanks for the insight.
so you're saying 4th must be taught that they live in a great country but I'm still confused as to what age you actually teach the kid that the lawfully elected president and your commander in chief should actually be hated?
At what age is it acceptable (in your opinion) to tell your kids what you actually believe and how to you justify lying to them previously?
I know you're in the military. Is your hatred something you share with others there too?
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I never said kids should be taught that...and yeah I express my opinion. I'm in school now we have 50 other students and 18 in my small group. 2 others are Obama supporters the other 16 either voted for McCain and leave it there or hate Obama worse then I do...kinda hard to do.
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I never said kids should be taught that...and yeah I express my opinion. I'm in school now we have 50 other students and 18 in my small group. 2 others are Obama supporters the other 16 either voted for McCain and leave it there or hate Obama worse then I do...kinda hard to do.
I'm confused
are you a teacher or a student?
what exactly is it you hate abou Obama. I think you said on one of the threads about the peace prize that Obama was continuing all the policies of bush so what is driving your hatred.
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I'm in the Command and General Staff course....student. We study alot of strategic level topics and while politics specific to Obama doesn't come up alot..it comes up enough. I hate barry because he's a lib...need I say more. I'm a Con. Straw u know I hate em.
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Kids don't need to learn to "hate" or "love" the POTUS, they can make that decision for themselves as they mature. Thats the problem, schools are supposed to teach things like math, english, history not opnions of whoever happens to be teaching at the time.
I don't have a problem with kids being taught "not to hate" when necessary but the loving part it certainly weird
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I'm in the Command and General Staff course....student. We study alot of strategic level topics and while politics specific to Obama doesn't come up alot..it comes up enough. I hate barry because he's a lib...need I say more. I'm a Con. Straw u know I hate em.
I don't hate "cons". I have many conservative leanings myself.
Just wondering, does your hatred of your Commander in Chief ever come up in your Command and General Staff course
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I don't have a problem with kids being taught "not to hate" when necessary but the loving part it certainly weird
While I find the clip disturbing I don't believe that Jesus Camp is part of the public educational system
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I have as big a problem with this as I do with the mmm Obama.
Yeah but I'm in a class where most of the guys feel the same way. We have 3 black Officers....2 mentioned they voted for him...one doesn't say much. 1 defends him all the time, he's also a buddy so I give him alot of shit. His decisions matter alot to us as far as deployments and quality of life so it comes up. I've got 3 more weeks and then 3 more until Iraq.
Good point Kazan...straw its weird but it wasn't like the Obama thing. Its kinda like that Obama hitler youth clip that the kids were stomping around, that wasn't school either as I recall.
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While I find the clip disturbing I don't believe that Jesus Camp is part of the public educational system
you are correct
still no less disturbing
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I'm in the Command and General Staff course....student. We study alot of strategic level topics and while politics specific to Obama doesn't come up alot..it comes up enough. I hate barry because he's a lib...need I say more. I'm a Con. Straw u know I hate em.
how utterly simple minded of you.
So if I understand correctly: Obama = Lib and you hate libs therefore you hate Obama
is there some deeper nuance that I'm missing?
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Stuff like this is monumentally creepy.
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Let me guess, you think it was Brandenbergs or the Rothchilds that used to some mind altering drug on all of America to make us think the Japanese bombed pearl harbor?
Ho Hum obviously you didn't pay attention in HIS-STORY class. Hawaii was not a part of america then. It was an independent country with its own King and Queen. Hawaii was FORCED into being a part of america in 1959...long after the war was over...
See what you learn when you knaw ALL OF HISTORY and not just HIS-STORY.
Now tell the details of how america "obtained" Hawaii as a state?
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Uh Hawai was not an independent country u moron. It was a US Territory and US bases are US soil. Ur a moron.
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Uh Hawai was not an independent country u moron. It was a US Territory and US bases are US soil. Ur a moron.
Don't be mad becasue you are unknowing to history...that is what you get for believing HIS-STORY as opposed to history. Look up what i have presented.
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Um..the Hawai was US territory and the Naval base at Pearl Harbor was US soil...thats how it works. I'm sorry if SAMSON history doesn't compute with real history but ur wrong again as usual.
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Um..the Hawai was US territory and the Naval base at Pearl Harbor was US soil...thats how it works. I'm sorry if SAMSON history doesn't compute with real history but ur wrong again as usual.
Is that so just because you believe it is or is that so because that is what history shows?
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Yeah....SAMSON....we can go on all day and u would be just as wrong. Bases just like Embassy's are sovereign territory. I'm sorry that in SAMSONLAND that might not be true, but its true everywhere else.
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Yeah....SAMSON....we can go on all day and u would be just as wrong. Bases just like Embassy's are sovereign territory. I'm sorry that in SAMSONLAND that might not be true, but its true everywhere else.
All I ask is you look up the facts.
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Ok...lets review....in 1941 Hawaii was a Territory of the United States.
The Territory of Hawaii was an organized incorporated territory of the United States that existed from July 7, 1898, until August 21, 1959, when it was admitted to the Union as the State of Hawaii.The U.S. Congress passed the Newlands Resolution which annexed the former Kingdom of Hawaiʻi and later Republic of Hawaiʻi to the United States. Hawaiʻi's territorial history includes a period from 1941 to 1944 when the islands were placed under martial law. Civilian government was dissolved and a military governor was appointed.
Ur "king" asked us to do so in 1900. it was in no way a country. US bases on that island were considered US soil. We were attacked by Japan, not aliens..not US pilots wearing Jap uniforms, flying Jap planes.....Japs. Ur wrong...go play in traffic.
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SAMSON we're Americans..not citizens of the world..Americans. Kids have no business putting Columbus on trial. Did the teacher talk about how these tribes killed each other or how American indian tribes mad war on each other..or black african tribes sold other black african tribes into slavery..or how only after the defeat of the Muslim Moors stuck in the 7th century was Europe able to launch the age of discovery. No!!!....Kids can learn all of this in high school or college when their thinking is evolved. And as Straw says....the damm bible is all about war and killing, more more so in the old testement then the new....
Yep BPJ...I'm sueing.
Other peoples poor behaviour does not excuse your own. The truth is the truth - they should learn all about the misbehaviour of humans in general though.
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Ok...lets review....in 1941 Hawaii was a Territory of the United States.
The Territory of Hawaii was an organized incorporated territory of the United States that existed from July 7, 1898, until August 21, 1959, when it was admitted to the Union as the State of Hawaii.The U.S. Congress passed the Newlands Resolution which annexed the former Kingdom of Hawaiʻi and later Republic of Hawaiʻi to the United States. Hawaiʻi's territorial history includes a period from 1941 to 1944 when the islands were placed under martial law. Civilian government was dissolved and a military governor was appointed.
Ur "king" asked us to do so in 1900. it was in no way a country. US bases on that island were considered US soil. We were attacked by Japan, not aliens..not US pilots wearing Jap uniforms, flying Jap planes.....Japs. Ur wrong...go play in traffic.
DID YOU EVEN READ WHAT YOU POSTED!!!!... Hawaii under force and threat from the american military threatened to kill the KING AND QUEEN OF HAWAII UNLESS THEY SIGNED OVER A MAJOR PORTION OF OF HAWAII and the Hawaiian People had to surrender all of their rights and voice in government. This took Hawaii from being and INDEPENDENT NATION to a Republic then to full blown annexation...a cute term to mean a MILITARY TAKE OVER AND DETHRONING OF THE KING. Still up until 1959 Hawaii was NOT a part of america and the only thing so called american about Hawaii was the naval station forcibly built there. What the Japanese bombed was an independent country which had an america naval base on it. Sorta like another country bombing Okinawa's military base. The end result would still be the bombing of an independent nation. In the case of Hawaii they were BOMBED even though they had nothing to do with WWII.
Here is the real facts to what happened as opposed to the snippet you posted and LIES you attached to it http://www.hawaii-nation.org/soa.html
BTW...WHy did Japan attack the american naval base focibly built on Hawaii?
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Whats your point? Would Japan have still attacked Hawaii if there wasn't an American military base there? My guess would be yes since it would give them a strategic harbor and access to the west coast of the US. Like I said before it you can't defend your territory someone will take it from you, so again whats your point?
And Japan attacked the US because the US cut off oil supplies to Japan because of what they were doing in China. Which threatened to put a stop to their war machine.
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Sorry SAMSON..nobody cares dude..ur wrong and nobody cares. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AA cry me a river u nutbag. The Japanese attacked a US territory and attacked US soil thats it, end of story. The rest is u ridiculous I hate white people drivel with no basis in fact. I don't care SAMSON..neither does anybody else.
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Whats your point? Would Japan have still attacked Hawaii if there wasn't an American military base there? My guess would be yes since it would give them a strategic harbor and access to the west coast of the US. Like I said before it you can't defend your territory someone will take it from you, so again whats your point?
And Japan attacked the US because the US cut off oil supplies to Japan because of what they were doing in China. Which threatened to put a stop to their war machine.
WOuld Japan have attacked Hawaii if there wasn't a military bases there...NO..There would be no reason.
You gave a better answer than the foolish HH6, and though partially right, not completely right. The Prime minister of Japan at the time was friends with Hitler and other leaders in Europe which for some reason america hated (keep in mind america installed Hitler into power in Germany). In an attempt to break that friendshipm, america started capturing the oil shipments to Japan which stirred their ires. The Prime Minister informed america numerous times if it did not stop this aggresive action Japan would retaliate. America continued to provoke the matter with continued attacks on the Japanese oil shipments, which caused Japan to attack the base of america's so called pacific fleet which was harbored in Hawaii.
Now isn't this much better, hearing THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT REALLY HAPPPENED AS OPPOSED TO THE ENDLESS LYING SCENARIOS!?!?!?!?! America was guilty of being a provocateur nation and rightly deserved to be attacked...Japan should have gone after the mainland as opposed to attacking innocent Hawaii...the effect would have been to bring warfare right to the people/nation which would have changed the mindset of americans about war and its devestating effects.
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Sorry SAMSON..nobody cares dude..ur wrong and nobody cares. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AA cry me a river u nutbag. The Japanese attacked a US territory and attacked US soil thats it, end of story. The rest is u ridiculous I hate white people drivel with no basis in fact. I don't care SAMSON..neither does anybody else.
Poor HH6 when he can't win a battle with facts he DEALS HIS RACE CARD... a true example of his race he is.
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U must have done really well in history SAMSON, Ur secret grasp of it is impressive. I guess it must be the correct version in whatever planet ur from because it isn't this one. U can't debate with a CT nut. I guess u got alot of F's.
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Yeah this is what we need in this country...that teacher should be fired. More liberal bullshit.
Did you go to college?
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First of all you need to get off you fucking Moral high horse, and I like to refer to myself as an American not an injun. It simply comes down to strength, if you are not strong enough to hold your territory, someone is going to take it from you. It is human nature, you can try to mask it with liberal sensibilities, but when push comes to shove the warrior always wins out.
Dude im almost positive im bigger than you..and still if im not..im sure i could fuck you up...so it would be cool for me to go into your house and beat your ass and just live in your house...you arent serious are you...and what if you got a gun..but i got better guns and more people..i should be able to just come into your house and say you arent strong enough..you my friend are an idiot
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Dude impositive im bigger than you..and still if im not..im sure i could fuck you up...so it would be cool for me to go into your house and beat your ass and just live in your house...you arent serious are you...and what if you got a gun..but i got better guns and more people..i should be able to just come into your house and say you arent strong enough..you my friend are an idiot
Its not right, but it is the reality of history.
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Straw...I'm not arguing he was a bad guy...i don't really care..but u made ur point with argument from me.
Hhahahaahahha...SAMSON.. ....ur an idiot. He was born in Genoa...who cares. The Germans don't study WW2...not even in their military schools. The Japs don't discuss WW2 period because then u sorta have to talk about China...ohoh. They attacked us....we stomped the dog shit out of them..I'mm very very very happy about that. The war didn't end until they signed that little paper on the Mighty Mo.
There's no Santa Claus?
If you nearly got atomized, would YOU want to study WW2?
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They don't study it because they don't want to repeat it...they worry about rampant militarism. Kids can get this in High School and beyond...not 4th grade.
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Dude impositive im bigger than you..and still if im not..im sure i could fuck you up...so it would be cool for me to go into your house and beat your ass and just live in your house...you arent serious are you...and what if you got a gun..but i got better guns and more people..i should be able to just come into your house and say you arent strong enough..you my friend are an idiot
Oh boy an internet tuff guy, try it and see how fast you get 2 in the chest and 1 in the head. Having a gun doesn't mean shit, knowing how to use it does.
And apparently your grasp of colonialism is lacking as well. Do I really have to go into a detailed discussion about how each country has laws and the citizens of those countries abide by said laws? Now on the other hand, if one country has a resource that another one wants and they don't have the strength to defend it, one of two things are going to happen. 1 country A will sell resource to country B. 2 Country B will decide it doesn't want to pay for said resource and take it by force.
And you call me idiot ::)
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WOuld Japan have attacked Hawaii if there wasn't a military bases there...NO..There would be no reason.
You gave a better answer than the foolish HH6, and though partially right, not completely right. The Prime minister of Japan at the time was friends with Hitler and other leaders in Europe which for some reason america hated (keep in mind america installed Hitler into power in Germany). In an attempt to break that friendshipm, america started capturing the oil shipments to Japan which stirred their ires. The Prime Minister informed america numerous times if it did not stop this aggresive action Japan would retaliate. America continued to provoke the matter with continued attacks on the Japanese oil shipments, which caused Japan to attack the base of america's so called pacific fleet which was harbored in Hawaii.
Now isn't this much better, hearing THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT REALLY HAPPPENED AS OPPOSED TO THE ENDLESS LYING SCENARIOS!?!?!?!?! America was guilty of being a provocateur nation and rightly deserved to be attacked...Japan should have gone after the mainland as opposed to attacking innocent Hawaii...the effect would have been to bring warfare right to the people/nation which would have changed the mindset of americans about war and its devestating effects.
Lets see I think I have already established that Japan would have most likely invaded Hawaii because of the strategic harbor which would give them free access to the Pacific and the West coast.
So now the US put Hitler in power? Are you sure it wasn't the Brandenbergs or the Rothschild's ::)
I don't know where you get your Bizzaro-History from, but it has become apparent you are squirrel bait.
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I guess he missed how the Japs were already doing that anyway. Oh yeah hey SAMSON they also attacked the Aleutians..more US territory.
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Ho Hum obviously you didn't pay attention in HIS-STORY class. Hawaii was not a part of america then. It was an independent country with its own King and Queen. Hawaii was FORCED into being a part of america in 1959...long after the war was over...
See what you learn when you knaw ALL OF HISTORY and not just HIS-STORY.
Now tell the details of how america "obtained" Hawaii as a state?
Martin Luther King slept with prostitutes his entire adult life.He was a low life scum bag.Why isnt that taught in school?
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Because kids need the message and promise of MLK..they can learn the rest later. Good example.
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Oh boy an internet tuff guy, try it and see how fast you get 2 in the chest and 1 in the head. Having a gun doesn't mean shit, knowing how to use it does.
And apparently your grasp of colonialism is lacking as well. Do I really have to go into a detailed discussion about how each country has laws and the citizens of those countries abide by said laws? Now on the other hand, if one country has a resource that another one wants and they don't have the strength to defend it, one of two things are going to happen. 1 country A will sell resource to country B. 2 Country B will decide it doesn't want to pay for said resource and take it by force.
And you call me idiot ::)
Not an internet tough guy at all. Everyone knows where to find me. I make myself very accessable...And yeah i would whoop yo ass..but i feel like that with everyone...cocky huh
but im saying chump sharp shooter ::)...dude just because its human nature dosent mean it shouldnt be told like it is..
And what if the indians had laws and what not and the white duded violated them, because they were strong enough to defend them...thats the same if i went into your house and slapped the taste out of your mouth and just ran it over...
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Not an internet tough guy at all. Everyone knows where to find me. I make myself very accessable...And yeah i would whoop yo ass..but i feel like that with everyone...cocky huh
but im saying chump sharp shooter ::)...dude just because its human nature dosent mean it shouldnt be told like it is..
And what if the indians had laws and what not and the white duded violated them, because they were strong enough to defend them...thats the same if i went into your house and slapped the taste out of your mouth and just ran it over...
Mal - Read Sun Tzu the Art of War.
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Mal - Read Sun Tzu the Art of War.
i listen to it...that shit is boring as hell...ill watch scarface instead...lmao
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i listen to it...that shit is boring as hell...ill watch scarface instead...lmao
Geez. Ill take Tzu over tony montana any day.
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Not an internet tough guy at all. Everyone knows where to find me. I make myself very accessable...And yeah i would whoop yo ass..but i feel like that with everyone...cocky huh
but im saying chump sharp shooter ::)...dude just because its human nature dosent mean it shouldnt be told like it is..
And what if the indians had laws and what not and the white duded violated them, because they were strong enough to defend them...thats the same if i went into your house and slapped the taste out of your mouth and just ran it over...
Whatever, you think you can whoop my ass I think you can't, but hey I grew up in Chicago, nothing scares me.
If the Native Americans were strong enough to defend their territory, they would have repelled the Europeans and who knows what the USA would be right now, but almost certainly not the USA. What don't you get about this? Do you really think the Europeans gave a shit about the laws of the Native Americans? No they cared about British or French law or whoever was there at the time. There was something they wanted they took it, by force if necessary. Saying well it just shouldn't be like that doesn't play into the equation, and you can't look at things from a modern day perspective either.
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Geez. Ill take Tzu over tony montana any day.
i got the audio book..i listen to it while i drive...dude it puts me to sleep
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Whatever, you think you can whoop my ass I think you can't, but hey I grew up in Chicago, nothing scares me.
If the Native Americans were strong enough to defend their territory, they would have repelled the Europeans and who knows what the USA would be right now, but almost certainly not the USA. What don't you get about this? Do you really think the Europeans gave a shit about the laws of the Native Americans? No they cared about British or French law or whoever was there at the time. There was something they wanted they took it, by force if necessary. Saying well it just shouldn't be like that doesn't play into the equation, and you can't look at things from a modern day perspective either.
U feel you...i wouldnt expect you to be scared of me...my college friends are from chi town...westside..k town..
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Straw...I'm not arguing he was a bad guy...i don't really care..but u made ur point with argument from me.
Hhahahaahahha...SAMSON......ur an idiot. He was born in Genoa...who cares. The Germans don't study WW2...not even in their military schools. The Japs don't discuss WW2 period because then u sorta have to talk about China...ohoh. They attacked us....we stomped the dog shit out of them..I'mm very very very happy about that. The war didn't end until they signed that little paper on the Mighty Mo.
There's no Santa Claus?
Who is the IDIOT now...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/6326698/Christopher-Columbus-writings-prove-he-was-Spanish-claims-study.html