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Title: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 05:15:55 AM
Muslim soldier who killed 13, wounded many more

time for profiling
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 05:27:37 AM
this is what happens when hussein obama wipes his ass with our constitution
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: webcake on November 06, 2009, 05:29:05 AM
Disgusting "religion"

I will celebrate the day it is exterminated from the earth.....
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 06, 2009, 05:29:53 AM
Disgusting "religion"

I will celebrate the day it is exterminated from the earth.....

x2......the cult of death.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: webcake on November 06, 2009, 05:31:24 AM
These animals are responsible for the fall(ing) of some of the worlds great nations. Sad.....
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 06, 2009, 05:36:29 AM
These animals are responsible for the fall(ing) of some of the worlds great nations. Sad.....

Yep.....and you have the idiots who just say "oh, it's just another religion...."
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: webcake on November 06, 2009, 05:37:12 AM
Yep.....and you have the idiots who just say "oh, it's just another religion...."

Religion is the root of all evil.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 06, 2009, 05:39:28 AM
Religion is the root of all evil.

I think it's more of the abuse of religion.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 05:49:53 AM
Disgusting "religion"

I will celebrate the day it is exterminated from the earth.....

they are dirty filth
simple as that
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: drkaje on November 06, 2009, 05:52:24 AM
Religion is the root of all evil.

I'll buy that!!
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: kiwiol on November 06, 2009, 05:54:06 AM
Religion is the root of all evil.

Religion is just one form of irrationality, which is the true root of all evil. And evil is a purely human domain.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: JasonH on November 06, 2009, 05:55:08 AM
Using religion as an excuse to commit evil is the root of all evil.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 05:55:45 AM
I wonder if the white house will ignore what this sleeper cell denizen has propagated
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: ManBearPig... on November 06, 2009, 05:55:59 AM
is he related to the tennis player?
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: webcake on November 06, 2009, 05:56:23 AM
Religion is just one form of irrationality, which is the true root of all evil. And evil is a purely human domain.

Don't confuse me.....
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: JasonH on November 06, 2009, 05:56:52 AM
is he related to the tennis player?

You mean Sevastase?
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: drkaje on November 06, 2009, 05:57:44 AM
I wonder if the white house will ignore what this sleeper cell denizen has propagated

He's coming for you Lax.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: kiwiol on November 06, 2009, 05:59:54 AM
Don't confuse me.....

There is nothing to it. Being irrational means you're doing something that stands against reason. So if you climb the Eiffel tower and jump down, believing you will grow wings, but of course, won't, that's an irrational act. But it does not fall under any religion.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: L00n on November 06, 2009, 06:20:27 AM
Disgusting "religion"

I will celebrate the day it is exterminated from the earth.....

100% agree!
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Archer77 on November 06, 2009, 06:31:41 AM
Religion is the root of all evil.


I agree.  A person can justify anything with religion regardless of which religion they partake in.  The Muslims are what the Christians were before secular culture came up with new and better values and more importantly, new laws.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 06:33:34 AM
He's coming for you Lax.

well from a man who has never had a fight in his life

I say

bring it
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 06, 2009, 06:33:49 AM

I agree.  A person can justify anything with religion regardless of which religion they partake in.  The Muslims are what the Christians were before secular culture came up with new and better values and more importantly, new laws.

Blah, blah, blah.....nobody cares about a religions actions 500 or 1000 years ago......muslims are actively killing people every single day somewhere in the world....no other world religion is currently doing that.  So you think we should just wait around for 500 years until the good ole muslims "work it out?"
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 06:36:07 AM
Blah, blah, blah.....nobody cares about a religions actions 500 or 1000 years ago......muslims are actively killing people every single day somewhere in the world....no other world religion is currently doing that.  So you think we should just wait around for 500 years until the good ole muslims "work it out?"

who is not desensitized to headlines such as 'Iraqui suicide blast kills 80...'. etc.....this shit is so common all the articles tell you the same old thing
I don't even read 'em anymore
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Archer77 on November 06, 2009, 06:40:23 AM
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"So you think we should just wait around for 500 years until the good ole muslims "work it out?"

I have no idea what you are talking about, I never said or implied that.  You are making a lot of assumptions.  Many other counties are doing just that but covertly.  History books are filled with examples. 
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 06:43:04 AM
they are dirty filth
simple as that
Kinda sad that tragic incidents such as these fill you with such a sense of false righteousness, Moose. Ordinary people feel sad and sympathize with those affected by loss; you exult and feel vindicated, somehow, in your twisted way, that there really is an 'enemy.' It provides a focus for all your hate.   :-\    
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 06, 2009, 06:45:19 AM
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"So you think we should just wait around for 500 years until the good ole muslims "work it out?"

I have no idea what you are talking about, I never said or implied that.  You are making a lot of assumptions.  Many other counties are doing just that but covertly.  History books are filled with examples. 

"The Muslims are what the Christians were before secular culture came up with new and better values and more importantly, new laws. "

You might want to look up the definition of implied, bro.

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 06:51:45 AM
Kinda sad that tragic incidents such as these fill you with such a sense of false righteousness, Moose. Ordinary people feel sad and sympathize with those affected by loss; you exult and feel vindicated, somehow, in your twisted way, that there really is an 'enemy.' It provides a focus for all your hate.   :-\    

well
at least for now
in my non-socialist country
I have the right to exercise my opinion and say what I fel is treu

you
apparently

do not
THAT is the unfortunate thing
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 06:56:00 AM
well
at least for now
in my non-socialist country
I have the right to exercise my opinion and say what I fel is treu

you
apparently

do not
THAT is the unfortunate thing
LOL. That's asinine, Moose, and you know it. The number of targets you spew your venom at is quite large. Usually, all this hate comes from within. You should do some real self-examination.   :-\ 
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Archer77 on November 06, 2009, 06:56:43 AM
"The Muslims are what the Christians were before secular culture came up with new and better values and more importantly, new laws. "

You might want to look up the definition of implied, bro.



I don't have to, bro.  You made the assumption that I was saying something I wasn't.  You said:  "So you think we should just wait around for 500 years until the good ole muslims "work it out?"  Which I don't understand because I never said anything that would make asking that question relevant. The implication of your statement is that I believe something that you feel the necessity to challenge. Otherwise why would you ask such an irrelevant question unless you had preconceptions about what I thought.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 06, 2009, 07:00:29 AM
I don't have to, bro.  You made the assumption that I was saying something I wasn't.  You said:  "So you think we should just wait around for 500 years until the good ole muslims "work it out?"  Which I don't understand because I never said anything that would make asking that question relevant. The implication of your statement is that I believe something and you are question the validity of that imaginary opinion. Otherwise why would you ask such an irrelevant question unless you had preconceptions about what I thought.

You implied that we should just realize that muslims now are no different than christians 500-1000 years ago.  Like we should just accept that and wait until the secular world passes laws to control them.  That might not have been your point, but it was what the post I quoted implied.  If that isn't what you meant, then fine, please clarify.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 07:01:57 AM
LOL. That's asinine, Moose, and you know it. The number of targets you spew your venom at is quite large. Usually, all this hate comes from within. You should do some real self-examination.   :-\ 

thanks for your concern

I am an advocate of introspection, and practice it as best I can

I call 'em like I see 'em

again, I am FREE to do this, currently
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: ManBearPig... on November 06, 2009, 07:04:07 AM
LOL. That's asinine, Moose, and you know it. The number of targets you spew your venom at is quite large. Usually, all this hate comes from within. You should do some real self-examination.   :-\ 

One of the nice things about America is the choice to hate people.  He's not out there pulling a Nidal Hasan.  Given the choice of some asshole named Malik Hasan and John Smith, it's not hard to figure out which one's more likely to go shoot up a barracks.  The fact of the matter is, these assholes from the middle east, for some reason, want to bomb us back to the 11th century , instead of trying to catch up to us.  Worked wonders for Japan and Europe and now China.   I'd rather have an Xbox than live in a camel shit house.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 06, 2009, 07:06:07 AM
One of the nice things about America is the choice to hate people.  He's not out there pulling a Nidal Hasan.  Given the choice of some asshole named Malik Hasan and John Smith, it's not hard to figure out which one's more likely to go shoot up a barracks.  The fact of the matter is, these assholes from the middle east, for some reason, want to bomb us back to the 11th century , instead of trying to catch up to us.  Worked wonders for Japan and Europe and now China.   I'd rather have an Xbox than live in a camel shit house.

YES!  Xbox > camel shit house
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: drkaje on November 06, 2009, 07:06:57 AM
LOL. That's asinine, Moose, and you know it. The number of targets you spew your venom at is quite large. Usually, all this hate comes from within. You should do some real self-examination.   :-\ 

Chimps,

Are you suggesting he's the stereotypical self hating homo?
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The ChemistV2 on November 06, 2009, 07:07:18 AM
It is amazing that people, under the Islamic persuasion, are committing atrocities on a daily basis and if someone speaks out against it, they are somehow a bigot or racist. When you see people strapping bombs to themselves every day, blowing up women and children in a market place, it becomes laughable when left wingers say the U.S. violated the Geneva convention with it's treatment of these types. They aren't soldiers..they are psychopaths..no different from serial killers or mass murderers.They saw peoples heads off on camera, for crying out loud.  I wonder how many of these Islamic converts are in the U.S. right now. Religion is silly enough as it is..but to believe that there is a supreme being that actually rewards you for killing innocent people..that's total insanity. And our president refuses to utter the word Terrorist because it might upset these maniacs. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Archer77 on November 06, 2009, 07:07:46 AM
You implied that we should just realize that muslims now are no different than christians 500-1000 years ago.  Like we should just accept that and wait until the secular world passes laws to control them.  That might not have been your point, but it was what the post I quoted implied.  If that isn't what you meant, then fine, please clarify.  Thanks.


I didn't imply it, I stated it as a fact but for a reason.    The comparison I was making was not to imply that we should all sit back and wait for the Muslim world to civilized.  I was making a larger point about religion and how religion in general can make people do irrational things and feel completely justified in committing acts of violence and hate.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 06, 2009, 07:08:23 AM
It is amazing that people, under the Islamic persuasion, are committing atrocities on a daily basis and if someone speaks out against it, they are somehow a bigot or racist. When you see people strapping bombs to themselves every day, blowing up women and children in a market place, it becomes laughable when left wingers say the U.S. violated the Geneva convention with it's treatment of these types. They aren't soldiers..they are psychopaths..no different from serial killers or mass murderers.They saw peoples heads off on camera, for crying out loud.  I wonder how many of these Islamic converts are in the U.S. right now. Religion is silly enough as it is..but to believe that there is a supreme being that actually rewards you for killing innocent people..that's total insanity. And our president refuses to utter the word Terrorist because it might upset these maniacs. Unbelievable.

Great post.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: ManBearPig... on November 06, 2009, 07:09:02 AM
YES!  Xbox > camel shit house

you are an American patriot.


I didn't imply it, I stated it as a fact but for a reason.    The comparison I was making was not to imply that we should all sit back and wait for the Muslim world to civilized.  I was making a larger point about religion and how religion in general can make people do irrational things and feel completely justified in committing acts of violence and hate.

what's your alternative?
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 07:10:53 AM
One of the nice things about America is the choice to hate people.  He's not out there pulling a Nidal Hasan.  Given the choice of some asshole named Malik Hasan and John Smith, it's not hard to figure out which one's more likely to go shoot up a barracks.  The fact of the matter is, these assholes from the middle east, for some reason, want to bomb us back to the 11th century , instead of trying to catch up to us.  Worked wonders for Japan and Europe and now China.   I'd rather have an Xbox than live in a camel shit house.
Yeah, I get that. It's also poignant to note that this latest incident is not far from where the Luby's massacre occurred where a George Jo Hennard killed 23 and wounded another 20.   :-\
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 07:11:21 AM
One of the nice things about America is the choice to hate people.  He's not out there pulling a Nidal Hasan.  Given the choice of some asshole named Malik Hasan and John Smith, it's not hard to figure out which one's more likely to go shoot up a barracks.  The fact of the matter is, these assholes from the middle east, for some reason, want to bomb us back to the 11th century , instead of trying to catch up to us.  Worked wonders for Japan and Europe and now China.   I'd rather have an Xbox than live in a camel shit house.

Yes
perhaps we can send the good 'Dr. Chimps' over to counsel the grieving families of those this scum murdered over at Fort Hood

I am sure he could help heal them and masterfully assuage their pain with his sympathies
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 07:12:52 AM
It is amazing that people, under the Islamic persuasion, are committing atrocities on a daily basis and if someone speaks out against it, they are somehow a bigot or racist. When you see people strapping bombs to themselves every day, blowing up women and children in a market place, it becomes laughable when left wingers say the U.S. violated the Geneva convention with it's treatment of these types. They aren't soldiers..they are psychopaths..no different from serial killers or mass murderers.They saw peoples heads off on camera, for crying out loud.  I wonder how many of these Islamic converts are in the U.S. right now. Religion is silly enough as it is..but to believe that there is a supreme being that actually rewards you for killing innocent people..that's total insanity. And our president refuses to utter the word Terrorist because it might upset these maniacs. Unbelievable.

thanks for the back-up, Chem
you are a true patriot
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Archer77 on November 06, 2009, 07:13:56 AM
It is amazing that people, under the Islamic persuasion, are committing atrocities on a daily basis and if someone speaks out against it, they are somehow a bigot or racist. When you see people strapping bombs to themselves every day, blowing up women and children in a market place, it becomes laughable when left wingers say the U.S. violated the Geneva convention with it's treatment of these types. They aren't soldiers..they are psychopaths..no different from serial killers or mass murderers.They saw peoples heads off on camera, for crying out loud.  I wonder how many of these Islamic converts are in the U.S. right now. Religion is silly enough as it is..but to believe that there is a supreme being that actually rewards you for killing innocent people..that's total insanity. And our president refuses to utter the word Terrorist because it might upset these maniacs. Unbelievable.

I agree with most of what you are saying.  It shouldn't be wrong to say our culture is better because it is.  Our culture doesn't subjugate women, at least overtly.  Democracy is the best there is and will ever be.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 07:15:06 AM
Anyone see that movie where Kevin Pollack plays the president, he nukes Iraq, and at the end, he says to the world on camera, something to the effect,

"If you are a terrorist-we will find you, and we will kill you."

Now imagine if Obama had the balls and intelligence to act in such a noble manner
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 07:16:06 AM
Yes
perhaps we can send the good 'Dr. Chimps' over to counsel the grieving families of those this scum murdered over at Fort Hood

I am sure he could help heal them and masterfully assuage their pain with his sympathies
Hmm. Now, you're making light of the situation. You are definitely an unhappy person.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: ManBearPig... on November 06, 2009, 07:16:26 AM
Yeah, I get that. It's also poignant to note that this latest incident is not far from where the Luby's massacre occurred where a George Jo Hennard killed 23 and wounded another 20.   :-\

did George Jo get a medal for it?  he at least had the decency to kill himself at the end.  If he didn't, I would've recommended a public hanging for him as well.  The point is, you do the crime, you do the time.  You kill someone, you get fucking killed.  If you profiled Hennard's type, i'm sure you could come up with a pretty nice outline of who's likely to do it again, which i think we should do with the bee keeper suits.


Yes
perhaps we can send the good 'Dr. Chimps' over to counsel the grieving families of those this scum murdered over at Fort Hood

I am sure he could help heal them and masterfully assuage their pain with his sympathies

Chimps is a good guy with a great taste in music, but Canada isn't exactly on the world's top list of countries they want to destroy.  They're generally a peace loving people with beady eyes, so they don't get the concept of being top dog that the (Islamic) world's out to get.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Archer77 on November 06, 2009, 07:17:17 AM
Anyone see that movie where Kevin Pollack plays the president, he nukes Iraq, and at the end, he says to the world on camera, something to the effect,

"If you are a terrorist-we will find you, and we will kill you."

Now imagine if Obama had the balls and intelligence to act in such a noble manner

That is the kind of cowboy stuff I don't get.  Bush said it and he never found Bin Laden.  Only thing it did was make him look like an ass.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 07:18:38 AM
Hmm. Now, you're making light of the situation. You are definitely an unhappy person.

good for you avoiding my suppositions regarding yourself

clean up your own house, dude...you seem to have plenty of smug pathology going on in that simian head of yours
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 07:20:46 AM
That is the kind of cowboy stuff I don't get.  Bush said it and he never found Bin Laden.  Only thing it did was make him look like an ass.

it'll eventually come to this or something similar

you think if they end up successfully nuking or causing eco-terror in one of our major cities...they will not be erased from the map?

I just address reality....no political correctness....trying to get positive results
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: ManBearPig... on November 06, 2009, 07:21:31 AM
That is the kind of cowboy stuff I don't get.  Bush said it and he never found Bin Laden.  Only thing it did was make him look like an ass.

as opposed to Obama, who kissed the hand and bowed to an Arab Sheikh?  What did that make him look like?
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 07:22:21 AM
as opposed to Obama, who kissed the hand and bowed to an Arab Sheikh?  What did that make him look like?

The Obama 'Apology Tour'

sheesh
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 07:25:22 AM
good for you avoiding my suppositions regarding yourself

clean up your own house, dude...you seem to have plenty of smug pathology going on in that simian head of yours
Um. You mean the part about (using) my sympathies!? Makes no sense, Moose. I think you're rhetoric is out of gear.  ???
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 07:27:37 AM
Um. You mean the part about (using) my sympathies!? Makes no sense, Moose. I think you're rhetoric is out of gear.  ???

mayhaps your comprehension needs some shoring up?
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Archer77 on November 06, 2009, 07:28:46 AM
it'll eventually come to this or something similar

you think if they end up successfully nuking or causing eco-terror in one of our major cities...they will not be erased from the map?

I just address reality....no political correctness....trying to get positive results


Political correctness, who said anything about that. The reality is that the world is complicated and not a movie, where the good guy marches in and defeats the enemy with superior gunfire.  Real people live and die by the choices made.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 07:29:31 AM
Chimps is a good guy with a great taste in music, but Canada isn't exactly on the world's top list of countries they want to destroy.  They're generally a peace loving people with beady eyes, so they don't get the concept of being top dog that the (Islamic) world's out to get.
I think that's a pretty good assessment. We really aren't seen as a threat (at anything  :-\) and are generally ignored. Having said that, there was an incident in Toronto a few years ago where a Muslim 'terrorist' cell was headed off at the pass. They came off as incompetents, but are still gonna do the time.  
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Jonny34 on November 06, 2009, 07:29:41 AM
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Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Archer77 on November 06, 2009, 07:30:15 AM
as opposed to Obama, who kissed the hand and bowed to an Arab Sheikh?  What did that make him look like?

Opposed to Bush who held hands and walked around arm and arm like a couple of queers.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 06, 2009, 07:30:54 AM
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I thought the same thing.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 07:31:27 AM
mayhaps your comprehension needs some shoring up?
::)
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 07:32:24 AM
Opposed to Bush who held hands and walked around arm and arm like a couple of queers.

time to blame someone new, friend
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 07:33:19 AM
::)

natch.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 07:34:12 AM


I thought the same thing.
LOL. Only a matter of time. Waiting on the official press release from Team Nasser: bobs at the dais, waiting for the press corps to calm down before he releases his statement. He will take no questions.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 07:40:42 AM
natch.
You're wasting your time here, Moose. You've got all the making of a demagogue, like a Rush or a Beck. Really get out there and fan the flames of indignation. Stop with all this penny-ante stuff. Maybe get a line of dark clothing going with matching brassards? 
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Archer77 on November 06, 2009, 07:43:53 AM
time to blame someone new, friend


I was responding to some nonsense.  I wasn't blaming Bush for anything, only saying that if you want to talk about Presidents getting intimate with arabs, Obama isn't alone and Bush did some cuddling of his own.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: ksa_triceps on November 06, 2009, 07:54:05 AM
There is about 1 billion Muslims around the world. If they all had the intention of killing and doing suicide bombing then you know what would've happened to the world.

You must differentiate between those who practice the normal religion, and those who take it to the extreme and base it on their own way of thinking.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Option D on November 06, 2009, 08:02:50 AM
Yes
perhaps we can send the good 'Dr. Chimps' over to counsel the grieving families of those this scum murdered over at Fort Hood

I am sure he could help heal them and masterfully assuage their pain with his sympathies


What about the guy who was responsible for the OKC bombing...send him there next..fucktard
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: drkaje on November 06, 2009, 08:04:24 AM

What about the guy who was responsible for the OKC bombing...send him there next..fucktard

LOL!
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fury on November 06, 2009, 08:08:04 AM
List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 2 Months

Date    Country    City    Killed    Injured    Description

2009.11.05    USA    Ft. Hood, TX    13    31    A Muslim psychiatrist yelling 'Allah Akbar' murders thirteen unarmed U.S. soldiers on their base in Texas.
2009.11.05    Philippines    Zamboanga    2    8    Two people are killed when suspected Islamists fire into a commuter bus.
2009.11.04    Pakistan    Bajaur    2    2    Two female schoolteachers are brutally shot to death by Taliban extremists.
2009.11.03    Afghanistan    Helmand    5    8    A Taliban gunmen disguised as a policeman suddenly opens fire at a police base, killing five British soldiers in cold blood.
2009.11.03    Saudi Arabia    Jazan    1    0    Islamic rebels gun down a security officer "with the support and assistance of Allah."
2009.11.03    Iraq    Abu Ghraib    3    0    Mujahid bombers wipe out a family of three, including a girl.
2009.11.03    Yemen    Hadramut    8    0    al-Qadea militants open fire on a vehicle, machine-gunning eight people to death.
2009.11.02    Pakistan    Lahore    0    25    Twenty-five people are injured when a suicide bomber detonates along a city street.
2009.11.02    Iraq    Khanaqin    2    0    A man and his son are gunned down by Muslim terrorists.
2009.11.02    Thailand    Yala    2    0    Two men riding in a pickup truck are shot to death by a terrorist disguised in a burka.
2009.11.02    Thailand    Yala    2    0    Two men are killed in a Religion of Peace drive-by.
2009.11.02    Thailand    Narathiwat    1    0    Islamists break into a house and murder a villager.
2009.11.02    USA    Glendale, AZ    1    1    A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.'
2009.11.02    Thailand    Pattani    2    0    Two security personnel are gunned down by Muslim rebels in separate attacks.
2009.11.02    Pakistan    Rawalpindi    36    63    Fundamentalists set off a massive bomb near a line of people outside a bank, putting down at least thirty-five.
2009.11.01    Philippines    Banisilan    1    2    Moro Islamists ambush a car carrying civilians, shooting at least one to death.
2009.11.01    Iraq    Mussayab    9    38    Jihadis rig a bicycle with explosives, then set it off in a market, killing at least nine innocents.
2009.11.01    Iraq    Ramadi    3    5    A Fedayeen suicide bomber takes down three Iraqis.
2009.11.01    Somalia    Lascanood    5    4    Suspected Shabaab radicals blow up a car with five people inside.
2009.11.01    India    Srinagar    2    0    Islamists murder two traffic cops in a hit-and-run surprise attack at an intersection.
2009.11.01    Iraq    Karbala    3    15    Terrorists plant a bomb on a bus that leaves three people dead.
2009.11.01    Dagestan    Bavtugai    1    0    A local mosque official is assassinated by extremists.
2009.10.31    Philippines    Sulu    1    4    Moro Islamists open fire on a passing patrol, killing at least one.
2009.10.31    Pakistan    Bara    7    12    Lashkar-e-Islam members use a roadside bomber to murder seven security personnel.
2009.10.31    Thailand    Yala    1    0    Islamists kidnap a local man, handcuff him, then shoot him in the head.
2009.10.31    Pakistan    Khyber    2    7    Sunni hardliners blow up a girls' school and mortar a residential neighborhood, killing two civilians.
2009.10.30    Pakistan    Pir Sarhandi Goth    1    0    An older homosexual man is pulled from his home and beaten to death by a Muslim mob.
2009.10.30    Iraq    Baghdad    1    3    Mujahideen bombers murder a government official.
2009.10.30    Iraq    Tikrit    1    0    A young man has his throat slashed by Sunni militants.
2009.10.30    Afghanistan    Nangarhar    9    0    All nine civilians riding in a taxi are slaughtered by Taliban bombers.
2009.10.30    Thailand    Yala    1    1    A Buddhist woman is brutally shot to death, and her husband is seriously injured, by Muslim radicals.
2009.10.29    Afghanistan    Kandahar    4    0    A child is among four Afghan civilians torn to pieces by an Islamist bomb.
2009.10.29    Iraq    Baquba    1    2    A civilian is taken out by a Fedayeen suicide bomber outside a hospital.
2009.10.29    Iraq    Mosul    3    1    Sunni gunmen murder three Iraqi policemen at point-blank range.
2009.10.28    Afghanistan    Kabul    9    9    Mujahideen force their way into a UN guesthouse, where they murder nine people, including six international workers.
2009.10.28    Iraq    Mosul    3    5    Mujahideen kill three civilians with a roadside bomb.
2009.10.28    Thailand    Pattani    2    0    Two civilians are gunned down in separate Muslim drive-bys.
2009.10.28    Pakistan    Peshawar    117    200    Over one-hundred people - mostly women and children - are blown to bits by a massive car bomb blast at a busy market.
2009.10.28    Thailand    Pattani    1    0    A 78-year-old Buddhist man is shot off his motorbike by Muslim terrorists.
2009.10.28    Iraq    Baghdad    3    4    Three women sitting on a minibus are blown to bits by Islamic bombers.
2009.10.28    Thailand    Pattani    1    0    Muslim radicals shoot a Buddhist motorcycle shop owner to death, then set fire to his body.
2009.10.27    Pakistan    Mohmand    2    3    Religious extremists attack a police post, killing two officers.
2009.10.27    Pakistan    Bajaur    1    0    Taliban radicals shoot a man to death while he is sitting in his shop.
2009.10.27    Iraq    Baiji    1    0    Terrorists attack a bomb to a car which kills an 11-year-old boy trying to remove it.
2009.10.27    Iraq    Tikrit    2    0    Jihadis blow up an oil tanker, killing the two drivers.
2009.10.26    Iraq    Karbalah    4    12    A suicide bomber sends four souls to Allah.
2009.10.26    Iraq    Mosul    2    2    Mujahideen gunmen murder two civilians.
2009.10.26    Thailand    Pattani    2    0    Dedicated Muslims gun down two Buddhist civilians looking for food.
2009.10.25    Iraq    Baghdad    160    540    Two massive car bombs take out one-hundred and sixty Iraqis standing near or in government buildings. The dead include 30 children at a day care center. The Islamic State of Iraq takes responsibility.
2009.10.25    Somalia    Merca    2    0    Two men are shot to death by al-Shabaab militants
2009.10.25    Yemen    Dalea    2    3    Two local soldiers are gunned down in a suspected sectarian ambush.
2009.10.24    Iraq    Tikrit    2    7    A suicide bomber takes out seven at a political headquarters.
2009.10.24    Thailand    Pattani    1    0    Islamists gun down a farmer in his field.
2009.10.24    Pakistan    Punjab    1    0    A police officer is killed by a Fedayeen bomber.
2009.10.24    Thailand    Pattani    1    0    A Buddhist working as a janitor is shot to death by Muslim militants at a tea shop.
2009.10.23    Pakistan    Kamra    8    17    A Fedayeen pedals to paradise, taking eight others with him in the suicide blast outside an aeronautical complex.
2009.10.23    Pakistan    Peshawar    0    15    Islamists car bomb a restaurant, injuring fifteen people.
2009.10.23    Pakistan    South Waziristan    18    6    Eighteen people in a wedding party, mostly children, perish in a horrific bombing attack on a minibus.
2009.10.23    Iraq    Abu Ghraib    2    3    Islamic radicals bomb a family in their vehicle, killing two members.
2009.10.23    Thailand    Pattani    1    0    A 23-year-old man is murdered by Islamic terrorists.
2009.10.23    Thailand    Yala    2    1    Two men are murdered by Mujahideen gunmen, one in his home.
2009.10.23    Thailand    Pattani    1    0    A 29-year-old villager is shot in the head by Muslim militants.
2009.10.22    Somalia    Mogadishu    18    60    Islamic militia mortar an airport, killing at least eighteen innocents.
2009.10.22    Pakistan    Islamabad    2    0    Talibanis assassinate a brigadier and his driver in broad daylight in the capital.
2009.10.22    Algeria    Kabylia    7    2    Seven security personnel are cut down by automatic weapons at close range while they are riding a bus.
2009.10.22    Ingushetia    Nazran    1    2    Islamists kill the driver of a police vehicle with a roadside bomb.
2009.10.22    Thailand    Yala    1    0    Muslim radicals shoot a man to death inside his home.
2009.10.21    Iraq    Bousef    2    0    A man and woman are gunned down by Sunni militants.
2009.10.21    Iraq    Mosul    2    0    A girl and her father are murdered by Muslim gunmen.
2009.10.21    Iraq    Iskandariya    2    12    Jihadis bomb a livestock market, killing at least two attendees.
2009.10.21    Thailand    Narathiwat    2    0    Two men are gunned down by Islamic militants in separate attacks.
2009.10.21    Philippines    Patikul    1    2    Abu Sayyaf members plant a bomb near a water pipe which kills an inspector.
2009.10.21    Iraq    Kirkuk    2    1    A shopkeeper and journalist are killed in separate attacks.
2009.10.21    Thailand    Narathiwat    3    2    A woman is among three construction workers murdered by Mujahideen.
2009.10.20    Pakistan    Orakzai    2    0    Two young police recruits are abducted and shot to death in captivity by hardliners.
2009.10.20    Iraq    Saqlawiya    4    12    Four people are murdered when Mujahideen set off a car bomb at a gas station.
2009.10.20    Pakistan    Islamabad    6    29    Two suicide bombers attack a women's university about a minute apart, leaving six students and staff dead.
2009.10.20    Iraq    Mosul    2    0    Two men are kidnapped and murdered by Muslim terrorists.
2009.10.20    USA    Peoria, AZ    0    2    A Muslim immigrant runs down his 20-year-old daughter with his car for being too 'Westernized.' She and another woman are injured.
2009.10.20    Thailand    Narathiwat    1    0    Islamists shoot a 57-year-old man to death inside his construction shop.
2009.10.19    Thailand    Yala    0    28    Islamic militants set off a bomb at a packed market, injuring over two dozen.
2009.10.19    Somalia    Galkayo    1    0    A Christian woman is murdered by Islamists inside her home for refusing to wear a veil.
2009.10.19    Iraq    Baghdad    4    13    Jihadis bomb a restaurant and a minibus, killing at least four innocents.
2009.10.18    Iran    Pisheen    42    25    A suicidal Sunni from the 'Soldiers of God' group detonates in a gymnasium, slaughtering nearly fifty people.
2009.10.18    Iraq    Adhamiya    8    29    Mujahideen set off two bombs in commercial areas, sending eight civilians to Allah.
2009.10.18    Iraq    Mosul    1    5    Muslim gunmen take down a child in a drive-by.
2009.10.18    Egypt    Attaleen    1    0    Muslims gun down a 61-year-old Christian whose son was dating a Muslim girl.
2009.10.18    Iraq    Baghdad    5    16    Five patrons at a cafe are blown to bits by a bomb planted on a motorcycle.
2009.10.18    India    Poonch    1    0    A local soldier is murdered when terrorists plant a landmine in the road.
2009.10.17    Pakistan    FATA    3    6    Three local soldiers are killed in a bomb set by religious extremists.
2009.10.17    Iraq    Mosul    4    4    A child is among four people cut down by Islamic militants in separate attacks.
2009.10.17    Iraq    Falluja    4    10    Mujahideen set off a roadside bomb, killing four local security personnel.
2009.10.16    Pakistan    Peshawar    15    24    Two girls are among fifteen innocents incinerated by Fedayeen suicide bombers.
2009.10.16    Iraq    Tal Afar    15    70    A suicide bomber at a rival mosque yell's 'Allah Akbar', then opens up on worshippers with a machine-gun before detonating, leaving at least fifteen dead in the massacre.
2009.10.16    Somalia    Mogadishu    1    0    A young policeman is gunned down in an Islamist drive-by.
2009.10.16    Iraq    Mosul    1    0    A local soldier standing guard is murdered by a suicide bomber.
2009.10.15    Pakistan    Lahore    28    67    Shahid suicide attackers brutally assault two police academies, killing nearly thirty people.
2009.10.15    Pakistan    Peshawar    1    12    A 6-year-old child is blown apart by a remote-controlled car bomb along a city street.
2009.10.15    Pakistan    Kohat    11    16    Eleven people are murdered when a Fedayeen car bomber plows into a crowd.
2009.10.14    Afghanistan    Zabul    2    6    Religious extremists kill two local soldiers with a roadside bomb.
2009.10.14    Pakistan    Sherazi Mohalla    1    0    A man is stabbed to death in front of his wife and child by his in-laws for marrying without permission.
2009.10.14    Iraq    Karbala    6    45    Sunni bombers strike three groups of praying Shias in separate attacks, leaving a half-dozen dead.
2009.10.13    Iraq    Baquba    6    10    A Shahid detonates himself in a cafe, killing at least six others.
2009.10.13    Somalia    Mogadishu    4    11    Four people are killed when Hizbul Islam terrorists ambush government troops.
2009.10.12    Pakistan    Quetta    1    0    A Shia man is gunned down in a sectarian attack.
2009.10.12    Iraq    Abu Khamis    2    2    Terrorists target the mayor of a town with a bomb, killing two of his sons instead.
2009.10.12    Iraq    Buhriz    4    5    Jihadi bombers take out four Iraqis in multiple attacks.
2009.10.12    Pakistan    Alpuri    41    45    A 12-year-old suicide bomber slaughters forty-one people at a crowded market.
2009.10.11    Iraq    Ramadi    19    80    Three horrific bombings, one at a hospital, leave nineteen innocents dead.
2009.10.11    Thailand    Narathiwat    1    0    Muslim militants murder a 37-year-old civilian sitting in a tea shop.
2009.10.11    Thailand    Pattani    1    0    A cattle rancher is shot to death in his field by Religion of Peace gunmen.
2009.10.11    Thailand    Yala    1    0    A butcher on his way home is gunned down by Islamists.
2009.10.11    Iraq    Mosul    2    0    A university student is among two civilians murdered by the terror group, Islamic State of Iraq.
2009.10.10    Somalia    Kismayo    25    41    Twenty-five people are killed when Hizbul Islam hard-liners attack their rivals.
2009.10.10    Pakistan    Khuzdar    2    0    Suspected Islamists machine-gun two truck drivers to death.
2009.10.10    Somalia    Afgoye    1    0    A Hizbul Islam leader is gunned down by Islamic rivals.
2009.10.10    Pakistan    Rawalpindi    9    0    Islamic militants storm a security headquarters, killing six officers in the siege and three more taken hostage.
2009.10.10    Somalia    Mogadishu    1    0    al-Shabaab militants shoot a man to death at a market.
2009.10.10    Afghanistan    Kunduz    1    0    A young policeman is murdered by Taliban bombers.
2009.10.09    Chechnya    Grozny    1    3    Islamic insurgents fire an RPG at a police post, killing one officer.
2009.10.09    Afghanistan    Kabul    2    4    Two Polish soldiers assisting a road construction project are killed by Taliban bombers.
2009.10.09    Iraq    Saqlawiya    3    0    al-Qaeda bombers murder a cleric and two of his associates on their way home.
2009.10.09    Pakistan    Peshawar    52    100    Over fifty innocent civilians at a market are incinerated by a dedicated Sunni suicide car bomber.
2009.10.09    Somalia    Mogadishu    3    0    al-Shabaab militants shoot three rivals to death.
2009.10.09    Afghanistan    Paktia    6    3    A suicide bomber murders six guards at a road construction project.
2009.10.08    Iraq    Jalawla    2    4    Two Iraqis are murdered by Jihadi bombers.
2009.10.08    Afghanistan    Kabul    17    76    A suicide bomber detonates outside the Indian embassy, ending the lives of seventeen innocents.
2009.10.08    Iraq    Yusufiya    3    10    Suspected Islamists set off a bomb outside a shop, killing three civilians.
2009.10.07    Iraq    Abu Ghraib    2    9    Two civilians are killed when Mujahideen toss a grenade at a hospital.
2009.10.07    Iraq    Shirqat    3    0    The tortured bodies of three kidnapped police officers are found.
2009.10.07    Thailand    Pattani    2    0    Islamists shoot two men to death, one as he is driving his child to school.
2009.10.07    Afghanistan    Ghazni    3    0    Taliban bombers take out three local cops.
2009.10.06    Thailand    Narathiwat    4    42    Islamic militants kill four civilians in separate bombings, including a Buddhist woman at a restaurant.
2009.10.06    Afghanistan    Ghazni    2    25    Taliban militants rocket a passenger bus, killing two men.
2009.10.06    Iraq    Amiriyeh    7    25    Terrorists set off a bus bomb near a mosque, killing at least seven Iraqis along the crowded street.
2009.10.05    Thailand    Narathiwat    1    17    Islamists gun down a laborer and also set off a bomb at a Buddhist festival.
2009.10.05    Iraq    Kirkuk    1    0    The tortured body of a Christian businessman is discovered three days after being kidnapped by Muslims.
2009.10.05    Pakistan    Islamabad    5    6    Two women are among five people killed when a suicide bomber detonates at a UN World Food Program office.
2009.10.05    Iraq    Haditha    6    15    A half-dozen funeral mourners are blown to bits by a suicide bomber.
2009.10.05    Philippines    Jolo    1    1    Abu Sayyaf shot a guard for a bridge construction crew to death.
2009.10.05    Iraq    Mosul    1    0    A 10-year-old boy is taken out by a bomb hidden in a garbage can.
2009.10.04    Thailand    Narathiwat    1    0    A villager is shot in the neck and then set on fire by Religion of Peace separatists.
2009.10.04    Iraq    Kirkuk    1    0    A 55-year-old Christian nurse is kidnapped and tortured to death by Religion of Peace militants.
2009.10.04    Iraq    Kirkuk    1    0    A woman is shot to death in an 'honor killing.'
2009.10.04    Somalia    Kismayo    8    14    Eight people are killed when rival Islamic hardliners clash.
2009.10.04    India    Srinagar    1    0    Muslim cops kill a Hindu boy for marrying a Muslim girl.
2009.10.04    Iraq    Baghdad    2    4    A truck driver is among two people killed in two Jihad bombings.
2009.10.03    Afghanistan    Kunduz    4    20    Four civilians at a market are blown to bits by a Taliban planted bomb.
2009.10.03    Pakistan    Islamabad    1    2    Three Hindu men are abducted, one of whom is murdered in captivity.
2009.10.03    Iraq    Mosul    3    0    A beheaded woman is among three people killed by terrorists in three incidents.
2009.10.03    Pakistan    Bajur    2    0    A tribal elder and a civilian are murdered separately by Muslim extremists.

It's a good thing this is only 1/3 of the list. ::)
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Top Dog on November 06, 2009, 08:10:31 AM

What about the guy who was responsible for the OKC bombing...send him there next..fucktard
That's the exception. What is the rule?
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: drkaje on November 06, 2009, 08:11:59 AM
BF,

I'm too lazy to look but does that site track Islamic attacks (in Iraq) while Saddam was in power? He knew what level of brutality keeping those overzealous tiny tits in check took.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: ksa_triceps on November 06, 2009, 08:14:54 AM
List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 2 Months



It's a good thing this is only 1/3 of the list. ::)

Why don't you list the numbers of innocent civilan deaths in Iraq. It'll surpass your list by X10290 .

And quit moaning about how many deaths occur in Iraq when you know that zero suicide bombings happened in Iraq before your "invasion".
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fury on November 06, 2009, 08:16:23 AM
Why don't you list the numbers of innocent civilan deaths in Iraq. It'll surpass your list by X10290 .

And quit moaning about how many deaths occur in Iraq when you know that zero suicide bombings happened in Iraq before your "invasion".

Actually, most of those innocent civilian deaths were carried about by their fellow Iraqis and foreign jihadist fighters. The overwhelming majority of deaths in Iraq were a result of sectarian violence. Said deaths fall under "Islamic terrorist attacks", dickhead. The USA didn't ask you animals to start killing each other when the government fell. You barbarians decided to do that.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 08:18:32 AM
Actually, most of those innocent civilian deaths were carried about by their fellow Iraqis and foreign jihadist fighters. The overwhelming majority of deaths in Iraq were a result of sectarian violence. Said deaths fall under "Islamic terrorist attacks", dickhead. The USA didn't ask you animals to start killing each other when the government fell. You barbarians decided to do that.
QFT
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fury on November 06, 2009, 08:20:20 AM
QFT

Now, I'm not defending the Iraq War but it goes to show the culture of these people when they went batshit insane and started killing anyone and everyone after the government fell. I mean, these animals were cutting the heads off of people they lived next to for 30 years. Something seriously wrong with a group of people that have no qualms about doing that.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: drkaje on November 06, 2009, 08:22:28 AM
How many civilians have been killed by the US bombs since this whole mess started?
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fury on November 06, 2009, 08:22:54 AM
How many civilians have been killed by the US bombs since this whole mess started?

Not nearly as many as thosekilled at the hands of their fellow Muslims.  :D

The USA isn't actively trying to kill civilians. The Muslim terrorists are. Big difference, Doctor Spin.  ;)
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on November 06, 2009, 08:23:13 AM
How many more of these acts of violence have to happen before our country does start to profile people of the same likeness.  I mean its not like a white man that is born in Jordan and raised as a devote christian would be allowed to join islamic armed forces of any kind.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The ChemistV2 on November 06, 2009, 08:23:31 AM
From reading this thread, it appears that the left leaning types, or socialist/european types seem more prone to defend and excuse the radical Islamic atrocities.  I wonder why any logical person with any sense of decency could possibly defend individuals who savagely murder innocents every day, yet get morally outraged if someone deprives a terrorist of a bit of sleep.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: ksa_triceps on November 06, 2009, 08:23:39 AM
Actually, most of those innocent civilian deaths were carried about by their fellow Iraqis and foreign jihadist fighters. The overwhelming majority of deaths in Iraq were a result of sectarian violence. Said deaths fall under "Islamic terrorist attacks", dickhead. The USA didn't ask you animals to start killing each other when the government fell. You barbarians decided to do that.

Did you call me a dick head, twink? afraid you can't get your point across or just abusing the fact that it's your only way to cuss me out.

Again. I'm afraid you are mistaken, Iraqis lack the military machinery needed to drop missiles on innocent civilian homes.

You do realize that terrorism since day one has killed less people than what America killed in a couple of years?

Terrorists are filth, but don't you think that you are angels or something.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Top Dog on November 06, 2009, 08:25:54 AM
Did you call me a dick head, twink? afraid you can't get your point across or just abusing the fact that it's your only way to cuss me out.

Again. I'm afraid you are mistaken, Iraqis lack the military machinery needed to drop missiles on innocent civilian homes.

You do realize that terrorism since day one has killed less people than what America killed in a couple of years?

Terrorists are filth, but don't you think that you are angels or something.
Apologist.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fury on November 06, 2009, 08:26:03 AM
Did you call me a dick head, twink? afraid you can't get your point across or just abusing the fact that it's your only way to cuss me out.

Again. I'm afraid you are mistaken, Iraqis lack the military machinery needed to drop missiles on innocent civilian homes.

You do realize that terrorism since day one has killed less people than what America killed in a couple of years?

Terrorists are filth, but don't you think that you are angels or something.

Twink? Aren't you like 180? I'm calling you a dickhead because you're the typical misinformed Muslim that can't tell your ass from a hole in the ground. Like the typical Muslim, you go ape shit when an American bomb kills 10 people but turn a blind eye to a terrorist attack carried out by your fellow Muslims that kills 150+ people (mostly women and children).  ::)

The Pakistani Taliban blew up a market last week and killed 40+ women and children (and over 140 people all told). Yet you'll be hard pressed to find a Muslim even acknowledge it, let alone condemn it. :)
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on November 06, 2009, 08:29:28 AM
Did religion have anything to do with this?  Didn't he just snap when he found out his ass was going to Afganistan? 
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 08:30:13 AM
From reading this thread, it appears that the left leaning types, or socialist/european types seem more prone to defend and excuse the radical Islamic atrocities.  I wonder why any logical person with any sense of decency could possibly defend individuals who savagely murder innocents every day, yet get morally outraged if someone deprives a terrorist of a bit of sleep.
Hmm. How about being more willing to see how this investigation plays out, rather than be a knee-jerk reactionary playing the race card prematurely? Is this guy just a crazy, or is he part of a wider infiltration that needs to be dealt with in a more systematic manner? You guys are too trigger-happy.

/no one in this this or any thread has defended (nor should they) this individual/people who has committed these crimes, so you might want to ease back on the inflammatory throttle.    
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: 240 is Back on November 06, 2009, 08:31:48 AM
you can't just kick all the muslims out of the military.  Because suddenly you're understaffed all over the world.  And I'm betting the people who call for this have never served anyway ;)

this guy was a nut.  he was posting crazy shit on forums for 6 moths and they didn't boot him as they should have.  THAT is what they should be looking at - why his ass was still in uniform.  The majority of people in the military - of all religions - in the military are good and love the USA.  This nut was the exception.

And nobody said we should ban whites from the military after a cazy white ex-military named mcveigh blew up 167 people...
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: ksa_triceps on November 06, 2009, 08:33:15 AM
Twink? Aren't you like 180? I'm calling you a dickhead because you're the typical misinformed Muslim that can't tell your ass from a hole in the ground. Like the typical Muslim, you go ape shit when an American bomb kills 10 people but turn a blind eye to a terrorist attack carried out by your fellow Muslims that kills 150+ people (mostly women and children).  ::)

The Pakistani Taliban blew up a market last week and killed 40+ women and children (and over 140 people all told). Yet you'll be hard pressed to find a Muslim even acknowledge it, let alone condemn it. :)

And how would you know that?

You do realize that a terrorist is condemned by the religion and the people. According to Islam, they go to hell for that. But again, what do you know.

180?  HAHA!
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Top Dog on November 06, 2009, 08:34:08 AM
you can't just kick all the muslims out of the military.  Because suddenly you're understaffed all over the world.  And I'm betting the people who call for this have never served anyway ;)

this guy was a nut.  he was posting crazy shit on forums for 6 moths and they didn't boot him as they should have.  THAT is what they should be looking at - why his ass was still in uniform.  The majority of people in the military - of all religions - in the military are good and love the USA.  This nut was the exception.

And nobody said we should ban whites from the military after a cazy white ex-military named mcveigh blew up 167 people...
mcveigh? You musn't worry about the exception, just the rule.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fury on November 06, 2009, 08:38:19 AM
And how would you know that?

You do realize that a terrorist is condemned by the religion and the people. According to Islam, they go to hell for that. But again, what do you know.

180?  HAHA!

It's a good thing all they have to do is call it "jihad" instead of "terrorism" and they get to go straight to heaven and fuck 72 virgins. ::)

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Archer77 on November 06, 2009, 08:41:19 AM
mcveigh? You musn't worry about the exception, just the rule.

Well if that is the case, then statistically the number of Arab Americans who serve their country honorable in the United States military far outweigh the number who commit crimes,therefore, Hasan would be a statistical anomaly and an exception to the rule and we mustn't worry about him.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: ksa_triceps on November 06, 2009, 08:44:16 AM
It's a good thing all they have to do is call it "jihad" instead of "terrorism" and they get to go straight to heaven and fuck 72 virgins. ::)



Good lord, you are misinformed and yet try to appear otherwise.

Jihad is only allowed if your country is directly attacked, and it's only against the military itself and not anyone else. If a neighboring Muslim country gets attacked then you have to have your leader's approval for Jihad or you are not permitted to.

And did you know that you are not allowed to do Jihad unless your parents allow you to, as to they may need the man for their own support and survival.

This is what Islam says. You just keep rolling your eyes.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fury on November 06, 2009, 08:47:03 AM
Good lord, you are misinformed and yet try to appear otherwise.

Jihad is only allowed if your country is directly attacked, and it's only against the military itself and not anyone else. If a neighboring Muslim country gets attacked then you have to have your leader's approval for Jihad or you are not permitted to.

And did you know that you are not allowed to do Jihad unless your parents allow you to, as to they may need the man for their own support and survival.

This is what Islam says. You just keep rolling your eyes.

I'm misinformed? So what does that make the thousands of clerics (of which there are videos) preaching "jihad" and violence? Calling for death to the infidels and what not. These are the scholars of your religion. Are they misinformed? Why not speak out against them if this is the case? Why is it that millions upon millions of Muslims believe that they're speaking the truth?

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: drkaje on November 06, 2009, 08:49:08 AM
Not nearly as many as thosekilled at the hands of their fellow Muslims.  :D

The USA isn't actively trying to kill civilians. The Muslim terrorists are. Big difference, Doctor Spin.  ;)

Bombs can't tell one from the other.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: uberman09 on November 06, 2009, 08:49:37 AM
I just cant "talk" with muslim/arab looking people anymore. It's like trying to talk to a wall. I dont want to see them, dont want to hear em. Just fucking get out of our lands and back to your shitholes. You just came to benefit from the material quality of life , not to integrate, stop bullshiting us. You just came to recreate your own social communities in our lands, not to assimilate to our culture. You have 0 will to be part of something, you want to replace our values and rules by yours.

Big ass civil/ethnic wars incoming in the next decades between these millions of people separated by their skin's color all over occident. I tell you.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fury on November 06, 2009, 08:51:02 AM
Bombs can't tell one from the other.

No, but placing one in a truck and parking it in the middle of a market where women and children shop kind of shows who you're aiming to kill.  :D

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The ChemistV2 on November 06, 2009, 08:51:41 AM
Good lord, you are misinformed and yet try to appear otherwise.

Jihad is only allowed if your country is directly attacked, and it's only against the military itself and not anyone else. If a neighboring Muslim country gets attacked then you have to have your leader's approval for Jihad or you are not permitted to.

And did you know that you are not allowed to do Jihad unless your parents allow you to, as to they may need the man for their own support and survival.

This is what Islam says. You just keep rolling your eyes.
So could you please explain why there seems to be an unending list of guys willing strap bombs to themselves and kill babies, innocent women and men at markets, Mosques, etc. There's thousands of these guys running around. Do you empathize with these types as well? Why don't the so-called "Good" Muslims condem the"Bad" Muslims more? Why aren't they on TV stations around the world speaking out aginst the alleged "Perversion" of Islam?
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: nicky.smth on November 06, 2009, 08:54:18 AM
Religion is the root of all evil.


X2, that's why i turned atheist at the age of 7...
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Top Dog on November 06, 2009, 08:55:44 AM
So could you please explain why there seems to be an unending list of guys willing strap bombs to themselves and kill babies, innocent women and men at markets, Mosques, etc. There's thousands of these guys running around. Do you empathize with these types as well? Why don't the so-called "Good" Muslims condem the"Bad" Muslims more? Why aren't they on TV stations around the world speaking out aginst the alleged "Perversion" of Islam?
Perfect post.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: uberman09 on November 06, 2009, 09:00:42 AM
So could you please explain why there seems to be an unending list of guys willing strap bombs to themselves and kill babies, innocent women and men at markets, Mosques, etc. There's thousands of these guys running around. Do you empathize with these types as well? Why don't the so-called "Good" Muslims condem the"Bad" Muslims more? Why aren't they on TV stations around the world speaking out aginst the alleged "Perversion" of Islam?

"good" / "moderate" muslims are just usefull idiots or BRAINY ants who wait for their more aggressive "brothers" (the soldier ants) to do all the nasty job. Notice how these so called "moderate/good" muslims are often more educated and using affirmative action to get in places of power in politics, medias, industries etc.

Islam has only one goal: war everywhere using all means justyfying the end. I mean its not like it's not written in their "coran".


Ironycally these filthy bastards clap with both their hands when our politics and showbizz stars ask for more right for em, when they promote (force) multiculturalism 24/7 on TV etc. But most of them dont even integrate themselves in the meanwhile.
They know they re going to rape us deep in the ass with this multiculturalism and PC crap, that's why they re actively supporting it.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Spike on November 06, 2009, 09:01:22 AM
Perfect post.

x2
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: ksa_triceps on November 06, 2009, 09:02:04 AM
So could you please explain why there seems to be an unending list of guys willing strap bombs to themselves and kill babies, innocent women and men at markets, Mosques, etc. There's thousands of these guys running around. Do you empathize with these types as well? Why don't the so-called "Good" Muslims condem the"Bad" Muslims more? Why aren't they on TV stations around the world speaking out aginst the alleged "Perversion" of Islam?

They chose to become terrorists and chose Islam as a cover up to recruit other naive and emotional Muslims. In everyday there are shows on TV, radio and even schools were they warn and bash terrorism. And there is an ongoing war between terrorists and the special forces/army.

And Muslims condemn those terrorists and which they go extent. they are killing everyone including fellow Muslims.

In Saudi Arabia. A reward of 250k$ is given to anyone that gives information on a terrorist, and 1.5M$ for a terrorist group. Everyone wants them down, fast!

You guys hear half the story and will not realize what is really going on. Media is not helping and we all know who controls the media.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 09:02:56 AM
Blah, blah, blah.....nobody cares about a religions actions 500 or 1000 years ago......muslims are actively killing people every single day somewhere in the world....no other world religion is currently doing that

...except for Christians. 
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: uberman09 on November 06, 2009, 09:03:36 AM
They chose to become terrorists and chose Islam as a cover up to recruit other naive and emotional Muslims. In everyday there are shows on TV, radio and even schools were they warn and bash terrorism. And there is an ongoing war between terrorists and the special forces/army.

And Muslims condemn those terrorists and which they go extent. they are killing everyone including fellow Muslims.

In Saudi Arabia. A reward of 250k$ is given to anyone that gives information on a terrorist, and 1.5M$ for a terrorist group. Everyone wants them down, fast!

You guys hear half the story and will not realize what is really going on. Media is not helping and we all know who controls the media.

hahahahahaahahahaha WHERE, WHO? it's been like 20 years and i never heard of these people you re talking about, funny isnt it.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The ChemistV2 on November 06, 2009, 09:03:39 AM
They chose to become terrorists and chose Islam as a cover up to recruit other naive and emotional Muslims. In everyday there are shows on TV, radio and even schools were they warn and bash terrorism. And there is an ongoing war between terrorists and the special forces/army.

And Muslims condemn those terrorists and which they go extent. they are killing everyone including fellow Muslims.

In Saudi Arabia. A reward of 250k$ is given to anyone that gives information on a terrorist, and 1.5M$ for a terrorist group. Everyone wants them down, fast!

You guys hear half the story and will not realize what is really going on. Media is not helping and we all know who controls the media.
Thank you for responding.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 09:04:27 AM
Kinda sad that tragic incidents such as these fill you with such a sense of false righteousness, Moose. Ordinary people feel sad and sympathize with those affected by loss; you exult and feel vindicated, somehow, in your twisted way, that there really is an 'enemy.' It provides a focus for all your hate.   :-\     

Lax is a nutcase, no question, but religion is still the greatest evil the world has ever known. 
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The ChemistV2 on November 06, 2009, 09:05:35 AM
...except for Christians. 
What happened Tre...did you go from good natured schmoe to Nation of Islam convert? Christians are currently murdering all these people? C'mon.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 09:07:23 AM
One of the nice things about America is the choice to hate people.  He's not out there pulling a Nidal Hasan.  Given the choice of some asshole named Malik Hasan and John Smith, it's not hard to figure out which one's more likely to go shoot up a barracks.  The fact of the matter is, these assholes from the middle east, for some reason, want to bomb us back to the 11th century , instead of trying to catch up to us.  Worked wonders for Japan and Europe and now China.   I'd rather have an Xbox than live in a camel shit house.

Then why are we dropping bombs on Iraq and Afghanistan instead of video games and American porn? 

I've been saying this for years now.  And I've been right since the beginning.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 09:08:44 AM
It is amazing that people, under the Islamic persuasion, are committing atrocities on a daily basis and if someone speaks out against it, they are somehow a bigot or racist. When you see people strapping bombs to themselves every day, blowing up women and children in a market place, it becomes laughable when left wingers say the U.S. violated the Geneva convention with it's treatment of these types. They aren't soldiers..they are psychopaths..no different from serial killers or mass murderers.They saw peoples heads off on camera, for crying out loud.  I wonder how many of these Islamic converts are in the U.S. right now. Religion is silly enough as it is..but to believe that there is a supreme being that actually rewards you for killing innocent people..that's total insanity. And our president refuses to utter the word Terrorist because it might upset these maniacs. Unbelievable.

Religion - which is a tool of the wealthy - is the culprit. 

Control religion, control the world (or at  least a damn healthy percentage of it)....
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: ksa_triceps on November 06, 2009, 09:10:24 AM
hahahahahaahahahaha WHERE, WHO? it's been like 20 years and i never heard of these people you re talking about, funny isnt it.

No it's not actually.

Where do you expect to hear about this? FOX News?. give me a break.

Check this:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2009-08/28/content_8630476.htm (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2009-08/28/content_8630476.htm)

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/new-gao-report-commends-saudi-arabias-efforts-fight-terrorism-terror-financing/ (http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/new-gao-report-commends-saudi-arabias-efforts-fight-terrorism-terror-financing/)

And don't forget. Google is your friend.

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 09:14:04 AM
Yeah, I get that. It's also poignant to note that this latest incident is not far from where the Luby's massacre occurred where a George Jo Hennard killed 23 and wounded another 20.   :-\

Not only that, but Hasan was a graduate of Va Tech, the site of a tragic massacre 2-1/2 years ago. 
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: ksa_triceps on November 06, 2009, 09:15:54 AM
Thank you for responding.

You are most welcome.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 09:27:52 AM
What happened Tre...did you go from good natured schmoe to Nation of Islam convert? Christians are currently murdering all these people? C'mon.

They're all whackos.  There's no difference between the two groups at all, which makes sense, because they whoreship the same 'God'.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 06, 2009, 09:35:29 AM
They're all whackos.  There's no difference between the two groups at all, which makes sense, because they whoreship the same 'God'.

WTF are you talking about Tre?  There is only one religion in the world thats practicioners kill people every single day somewhere in the world.....one guess.  Lumping them all together is what allows these fuckwits to go unchecked.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 09:38:27 AM
WTF are you talking about Tre?  There is only one religion in the world thats practicioners kill people every single day somewhere in the world.....one guess.  Lumping them all together is what allows these fuckwits to go unchecked.

No, not calling religion out for what it is is what allows them all to go unchecked.

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on November 06, 2009, 09:40:18 AM
WTF are you talking about Tre?  There is only one religion in the world thats practicioners kill people every single day somewhere in the world.....one guess.  Lumping them all together is what allows these fuckwits to go unchecked.

Wow you're talking about the world like you've actually been out of the back country in the US.  Have you been anywhere else or do you trust Fox news for your unbiased info?
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 06, 2009, 09:41:25 AM
No, not calling religion out for what it is is what allows them all to go unchecked.



No man, that is a HUGE part of the problem.  It's one religion, not all.  And don't give me that lameass McVeigh garbage.  That was one guy.  I'm talking about 1,000's killed every year under the guise of this religion.  We allow to the problem to grow by just saying it's all religions, when it's not.  You are smarter than that.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 09:47:54 AM
No man, that is a HUGE part of the problem.  It's one religion, not all.  And don't give me that lameass McVeigh garbage.  That was one guy.  I'm talking about 1,000's killed every year under the guise of this religion.  We allow to the problem to grow by just saying it's all religions, when it's not.  You are smarter than that.

No major world religion (in terms of numbers of members) is innocent.  All sow the seeds of hatred and bigotry and their millions of apologists *ahem* refuse to hold them accountable.

What's the real reason so many people (initially) supported Bush's war? 

Was it because of 9/11?  Was it because it meant cheaper oil for America?  Was it because most Americans are white and the perpetrators were brown? 

No, it's because the bad guys were Muslim and we - the supposed 'good guys' - are generally Christian. 

Taking a myopic view here will never allow you to see the fullness of truth, which is one thing about people that all religions prey upon...and have been quite successful with.

 



Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fury on November 06, 2009, 09:50:40 AM
Wow you're talking about the world like you've actually been out of the back country in the US.  Have you been anywhere else or do you trust Fox news for your unbiased info?

Pretty sure Showstoppa has lived all over the world. How about you, he who posts threads about ripping his shirt apart from a carb up? ::)
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 06, 2009, 09:54:31 AM
Wow you're talking about the world like you've actually been out of the back country in the US.  Have you been anywhere else or do you trust Fox news for your unbiased info?

Let's see......last count was 26 countries, ....how bout you?  Lived in Germany and Iceland too.  Not to mention living in every part of the US, except the midwest. 
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 10:05:53 AM
Lax is a nutcase, no question, but religion is still the greatest evil the world has ever known. 
Religion. Don't get me started.  >:(
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: drkaje on November 06, 2009, 10:08:36 AM
What religion were the Nazis?
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 06, 2009, 10:09:47 AM
What religion were the Nazis?

budhists
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 10:13:53 AM
budhists
Well, they weren't practicing ones, I'd say.  ;D
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Butterbean on November 06, 2009, 10:19:10 AM
They're all whackos.  There's no difference between the two groups at all, which makes sense, because they whoreship the same 'God'.

No.

Muslims worship Allah.

Christians worship Christ.

Muslims do not accept Christ as God.


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ksatriceps,  Does Surah 9:111 state that to kill or be killed in the name of Allah will ensure a place for the muslim in heaven/"paradise"?   If not, what is it saying please?  Is it referring to jihad or is it just a general statement?

Also, if it does say that, what is the context surrounding Surah 9:111?  Does the surrounding text negate the possibility of someone like this guy at Ft. Hood going to heaven?
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: rccs on November 06, 2009, 10:20:19 AM
These animals are responsible for the fall(ing) of some of the worlds great nations. Sad.....
Our rulers are responsible for that! The gayness of the pollitically correctness globalization is destroying western cultures. I say we should strike muslims the same way... BUT HARDER!!!
I don't get it... The entire world united to defeat the Nazis, however, this same world just wants to discuss gay marriage and allow muslims to enter in our countries. No one is going to unite efforts to submit muslims tou our rules and prohibit muslim immigration!
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 06, 2009, 10:20:32 AM
Well, they weren't practicing ones, I'd say.  ;D

Thanks chimps....you made my point for me to doc....you know what he wanted people to say, right?   ;D
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fatpanda on November 06, 2009, 10:31:42 AM
No major world religion (in terms of numbers of members) is innocent.  All sow the seeds of hatred and bigotry and their millions of apologists *ahem* refuse to hold them accountable.







wrong - Buddhism is innocent !
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 10:34:15 AM
wrong - Buddhism is innocent !
So, are you saying Crown Prince Diprendra was acting alone?    ;D
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fatpanda on November 06, 2009, 10:34:54 AM
No.

Muslims worship Allah.

Christians worship Christ.

Muslims do not accept Christ as God.


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ksatriceps,  Does Surah 9:111 state that to kill or be killed in the name of Allah will ensure a place for the muslim in heaven/"paradise"?   If not, what is it saying please?  Is it referring to jihad or is it just a general statement?

Also, if it does say that, what is the context surrounding Surah 9:111?  Does the surrounding text negate the possibility of someone like this guy at Ft. Hood going to heaven?

christians do not worship christ, they worship god. Christ was his son, and prophet that islam accepts as a prophet. As they accept abraham and moses as prophets.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fatpanda on November 06, 2009, 10:36:56 AM
So, are you saying Crown Prince Diprendra was acting alone?    ;D

he was a hindu  ;)
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The ChemistV2 on November 06, 2009, 10:42:01 AM
wrong - Buddhism is innocent !
Yep..can't think of any Buddhist suicide bombers. They seem like a benevolent bunch for the most part.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 10:43:41 AM
he was a hindu  ;)
Dammit! There goes that Buddha joke.  >:(
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Archer77 on November 06, 2009, 10:50:46 AM
What religion were the Nazis?

Nazism was a combination of Positive Christianity and Teutonic myth wrapped around a cult of personality,or, what was referred to as the Fuhrer myth.    Nazism could easily be classified as a religious cult.  Nazis may have incorporated some elements of evolution but they were not an atheistic nation.  The idea of social Darwinism isn't something an evolutionists of any merit or Darwin himself would have contemplated. 

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 10:53:43 AM
What religion were the Nazis?

Christians, of course.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: drkaje on November 06, 2009, 10:54:02 AM
No.

Muslims worship Allah.

Christians worship Christ.

Muslims do not accept Christ as God.


---------------------------------


ksatriceps,  Does Surah 9:111 state that to kill or be killed in the name of Allah will ensure a place for the muslim in heaven/"paradise"?   If not, what is it saying please?  Is it referring to jihad or is it just a general statement?

Also, if it does say that, what is the context surrounding Surah 9:111?  Does the surrounding text negate the possibility of someone like this guy at Ft. Hood going to heaven?

Reads Old Testament-esque to me.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 11:01:48 AM
No.

Muslims worship Allah.

Christians worship Christ.

Muslims do not accept Christ as God.


---------------------------------

Try again.

There were the Jews.  A group of upstarts got fed up with Jewish law and decided to create a 'Christ', which would give 'God' a more loving personality.  This was much better for business, so Christianity began to flourish.

The Muslims then split off from the Christians and one idea is that this happened because those Christians (who became Muslims) did not feel that the new laws - as compared to the old Jewish laws - were strict enough. 

They all have the same God, but it doesn't surprise me that you're not aware of this truth, because it's been well-disguised by those who profit the most from the very existence of religion. 

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 11:02:52 AM
Nazism was a combination of Positive Christianity and Teutonic myth wrapped around a cult of personality,or, what was referred to as the Fuhrer myth.    Nazism could easily be classified as a religious cult.  Nazis may have incorporated some elements of evolution but they were not an atheistic nation.  The idea of social Darwinism isn't something an evolutionists of any merit or Darwin himself would have contemplated. 
*Cough* MattCDebussey*Cough*    ;D
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Butterbean on November 06, 2009, 11:06:23 AM
christians do not worship christ, they worship god. Christ was his son, and prophet that islam accepts as a prophet. As they accept abraham and moses as prophets.


I see what you are saying and yes, Christians accept the OT as true...they believe what it says about Abraham and Moses etc....but Christians believe in a triune God.  God = Father/Son/Holy Spirit

Christians believe Christ is God and worship Him.

You're right in that Islam thinks Christ was a prophet but Islam doesn't recognize Christ as God.


Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: WingedLion on November 06, 2009, 11:07:12 AM
stop taking the bait

he was a mind controlled individual with vigilante/assasin programming

he was activated to do what he did by the Iluminatti

slowly he will be linked to various groups to justify more intrusion by US in the middle east

posibly Iran

the are playing you for fools and you all run along like little puppies

they use this mind control victims to make you hate arabs and justify middle east violence

can't you see that ???????????

they are turning you all into blind racists

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Butterbean on November 06, 2009, 11:10:17 AM
Try again.

There were the Jews.  A group of upstarts got fed up with Jewish law and decided to create a 'Christ', which would give 'God' a more loving personality.  This was much better for business, so Christianity began to flourish.
 

Never heard this before!




The Muslims then split off from the Christians and one idea is that this happened because those Christians (who became Muslims) did not feel that the new laws - as compared to the old Jewish laws - were strict enough. 
 



Tre, are you saying that Islam started ~ 30 AD? 

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: drkaje on November 06, 2009, 11:13:56 AM

I see what you are saying and yes, Christians accept the OT as true...they believe what it says about Abraham and Moses etc....but Christians believe in a triune God.  God = Father/Son/Holy Spirit

Christians believe Christ is God and worship Him.

You're right in that Islam thinks Christ was a prophet but Islam doesn't recognize Christ as God.




There's no trinity in Islam so what you're saying would more or less be considered polytheism. Same thing could be said of Catholics who pray to Mary as Co-Redemptrix.

Religion is man made, anyways. Individually, people probably need it to help them make sense of the world or rationalize the unexplained. Culturally.... we'd have a lot less war & suffering without it.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: benchmstr on November 06, 2009, 11:21:37 AM
well from a man who has never had a fight in his life

I say

bring it
wow, sounds like you two will have a pretty even fight.

bench
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Butterbean on November 06, 2009, 11:22:11 AM
There's no trinity in Islam so what you're saying would more or less be considered polytheism. Same thing could be said of Catholics who pray to Mary as Co-Redemptrix.


No...def. not.....  Mary was a human being.

Bible indicates that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one God in 3 persons.....can be very difficult to grasp though for sure!



Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 11:30:52 AM
No...def. not.....  Mary was a human being.

Bible indicates that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one God in 3 persons.....can be very difficult to grasp though for sure!

According to lore, the flesh of Mary - just like Adam - was *needed* to make the prophecies come true.  So, that's why she and Adam are given such great credit by certain groups. 

Also, Mormons - who claim to be Christians - also deny the godhead of traditional Christianity.  According to them, Heavenly Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are 3 completely separate entities, not 1. 

This allows them to justify putting Joseph Smith on the same god-level as Jesus. ;)  (remind me to tell you later what one particular Mormon told me about this....)

Another important thing to note is that the idea of the Holy Trinity as canon for the Christian church was actually determined by a simple vote. 

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: drkaje on November 06, 2009, 11:37:11 AM
No...def. not.....  Mary was a human being.

Bible indicates that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one God in 3 persons.....can be very difficult to grasp though for sure!





It's not difficult to grasp, LOL! There's no trinity in Islam. No Son, Holy Ghost, Spirit or any other form of God, only prophets.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Top Dog on November 06, 2009, 11:42:17 AM
Sorry Tre, I like you, your posts and it's entertaining nature. Given that, it's tough to take you seriously here. Get back to posting what you post best.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 11:46:37 AM
Never heard this before!

Most people have a hard time taking the step back required to grasp the reality that religion is a business. 

But when you look at it from a business perspective and think about how you feel as a consumer, Christianity seems like a much better alternative than Judaism.

That's reality.

Now, with respect to Islam, my belief is that their selling point was an earth-like paradise that awaited you when you died.  And of course, like any other religion, they've capitalized on the collective ignorance of their followers. 

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Tre, are you saying that Islam started ~ 30 AD? 

Even though it was actually founded much later, the seeds were sown long before the time of Muhammed, at a time when a bunch of Christians were wandering around the desert and likely suffering from dehydration sickness.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 11:48:21 AM
Sorry Tre, I like you, your posts and it's entertaining nature. Given that, it's tough to take you seriously here. Get back to posting what you post best.

Spoken like a true Christian, and thanks. ;)

It wasn't until I stepped away from religion that I was finally able to see it for what it really is. 

I'll admit to not being that well-versed in Judaism or Islam, but I've pretty much got the Christians nailed...no pun intended. ;)
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Top Dog on November 06, 2009, 11:51:15 AM
Spoken like a true Christian, and thanks. ;)

It wasn't until I stepped away from religion that I was finally able to see it for what it really is. 

I'll admit to not being that well-versed in Judaism or Islam, but I've pretty much got the Christians nailed...no pun intended. ;)
Your opinion is as good as anyone's and here, you won't be hung for it, but hey! How bout that Britt Miller!
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: disco_stu on November 06, 2009, 11:58:10 AM
this is what happens when hussein obama wipes his ass with our constitution

the US constitution IS shit.

and this has nothing to do with the constitution by the way.

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Top Dog on November 06, 2009, 12:00:11 PM
the US constitution IS shit.

and this has nothing to do with the constitution by the way.


"cough" ANARCHIST "cough"
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 12:05:21 PM
Your opinion is as good as anyone's and here, you won't be hung for it, but hey! How bout that Britt Miller!

I take 'what I've always believed' and 'feeling' out of the my side of the debate, though.  Studying religion is like studying history - you cannot rely solely upon public school textbooks.  You have to go beyond that and study what has been written *about* what you've read and then look for even further studies of *that*.  Despite what Christian churches teach, fullness of truth comes from gathering more perspectives, not less. 

As for Britt, we haven't spoken in quite some time, but she seems genuinely happy with where her life has taken her.  If she never gives me another great glute shot, I can still die a very happy man...even if I'm not going to 'heaven'.  (no need, cuz I've already been there!   ;D)
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Butterbean on November 06, 2009, 12:36:34 PM


Also, Mormons - who claim to be Christians - also deny the godhead of traditional Christianity.  According to them, Heavenly Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are 3 completely separate entities, not 1. 

This allows them to justify putting Joseph Smith on the same god-level as Jesus. ;)  (remind me to tell you later what one particular Mormon told me about this....)




I know that Mormons claim to be Christians....but their beliefs concerning Jesus Christ and Salvation are not the same as the Christian bible teaches.


Even though it was actually founded much later, the seeds were sown long before the time of Muhammed, at a time when a bunch of Christians were wandering around the desert and likely suffering from dehydration sickness.


 ;D

Spoken like a true Christian, and thanks. ;)

It wasn't until I stepped away from religion that I was finally able to see it for what it really is. 


You mean Mormonism?


I'll admit to not being that well-versed in Judaism or Islam, but I've pretty much got the Christians nailed...no pun intended. ;)

Tre, by saying you have Christians nailed do you mean the people themselves or Christianity (beliefs/teachings/scripture-wise)?

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 12:55:29 PM
I know that Mormons claim to be Christians....but their beliefs concerning Jesus Christ and Salvation are not the same as the Christian bible teaches.

So, to account for that, they teach that the Bible was not 'complete' until, thankfully, Joseph Smith came and brought forward the Book of Mormon.  They are taught from a very early age to be thankful for the prophet, Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon, and for 'the church'.  Up 'til now, I have not devoted enough time to telling my daughter that her mother and grandparents are full of shit, not because they're bad people, but because 'they just don't know any better, honey'.   

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You mean Mormonism?

I knew that religion was a business long before I began studying Mormonism, but man, they've taken it to a whole new level. 

I'm willing to turn a blind eye and grant them an exception on alcohol sales.  But I find it very interesting that a church that has such a supposedly vehement position against pornography would have in its leadership (he's a Seventy) an individual that profits directly from the porn industry...and that the profits of same go towards tithing.  Never purchased any of their porn, but I am a silver rewards member with Marriott. 

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Tre, by saying you have Christians nailed do you mean the people themselves or Christianity (beliefs/teachings/scripture-wise)? 

Both, because the people don't know their history and are generally too unwilling to explore truths - or even possibilities - that have not been handed to them by their so-called 'authorities'.

 

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 01:00:06 PM
Uh Oh. The AP is reporting that Hasan was carrying on his massacre while shouting 'Allahu Akbar.' His (unknown?) motive aside, this is gonna shift the fear-mongering into hyperdive.   :-X
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: uberman09 on November 06, 2009, 01:02:41 PM
poor bastards like him watch too much tv, spend to much time surfing on al quaeda websites , are psychologically unstable and suffer from huge insecurities that someday explode for some stupid random reason, like when some white girl he was secretly in love with at work, laughed at his ugly arab's face again .
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 01:03:19 PM
Uh Oh. The AP is reporting that Hasan was carrying on his massacre while shouting 'Allahu Akbar.' His (unknown?) motive aside, this is gonna shift the fear-mongering into hyperdive.   :-X

"Cletus!  We good Christians gots to go get those filthy, murderin' Muslims!  Grab yer rifle and yer Bible, boy!!"

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fury on November 06, 2009, 01:03:48 PM
Uh Oh. The AP is reporting that Hasan was carrying on his massacre while shouting 'Allahu Akbar.' His (unknown?) motive aside, this is gonna shift the fear-mongering into hyperdive.   :-X

Well, in their defense, the nutjobs also chant the same thing on the beheading videos.  ;)
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 01:07:26 PM
Well, in their defense, the nutjobs also chant the same thing on the beheading videos.  ;)
Jeez. Don't they, though. Religious fervour or plain crazy-crazy? I wonder if the nut now shooting up Orlando has upped his game and has a religious angle?
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fury on November 06, 2009, 01:09:30 PM
Jeez. Don't they, though. Religious fervour or plain crazy-crazy? I wonder if the nut now shooting up Orlando has upped his game and has a religious angle?

:D

Well, from what I've read, chanting "allahu akbar" while doing those things abstains them of all guilt and makes sure they get to heaven. It's what separates them from being plain old murderers.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 01:12:47 PM
:D

Well, from what I've read, chanting "allahu akbar" while doing those things abstains them of all guilt and makes sure they get to heaven. It's what separates them from being plain old murderers.

He's one of the Army guys who thought he should be banging a hot blonde, because he's a doctor, rather than the fat chicks he usually picked up at Polly's Cafe after work. 

He was pissed off because all the girls he wanted were fucking junior enlisted guys.

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 01:15:38 PM
:D

Well, from what I've read, chanting "allahu akbar" while doing those things abstains them of all guilt and makes sure they get to heaven. It's what separates them from being plain old murderers.
Any 'God' that uses you to do his work in this manner is a POS and you should be made into dogfood. What the hell is the matter with people!? Why can't they think for themselves?  :-\ 

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fury on November 06, 2009, 01:18:05 PM
Any 'God' that uses you to do his work in this manner is a POS and you should be made into dogfood. What the hell is the matter with people!? Why can't they think for themselves?  :-\  



Anyone who subscribes to the words of a book written by a desert nomad thousands of years ago is a moron.

It's sickening that there are still people like that when you look around and see how technologically advanced humanity has become. Pushing the boundaries of science and yet people still kill because a book says to.

And anyone who has read the Koran and isn't a Muslim can see that it was clearly written for no other reason than to justify Mohammed's militaristic aims. The sword verses "came to him" at the same time he started expanding his empire through brute force. Needed a way to dupe all those retards into killing for him.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 01:26:29 PM
Anyone who subscribes to the words of a book written by a desert nomad thousands of years ago is a moron.

It's sickening that there are still people like that when you look around and see how technologically advanced humanity has become. Pushing the boundaries of science and yet people still kill because a book says to.

And anyone who has read the Koran and isn't a Muslim can see that it was clearly written for no other reason than to justify Mohammed's militaristic aims. The sword verses "came to him" at the same time he started expanding his empire through brute force. Needed a way to dupe all those retards into killing for him.

Exactly right...the initial spread of Islam happened because of 'pledge allegiance or die'.  How it continued, however, is what I'm interested in learning more about. 
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Parker on November 06, 2009, 01:27:31 PM
There's no trinity in Islam so what you're saying would more or less be considered polytheism. Same thing could be said of Catholics who pray to Mary as Co-Redemptrix.

Religion is man made, anyways. Individually, people probably need it to help them make sense of the world or rationalize the unexplained. Culturally.... we'd have a lot less war & suffering without it.
Your second paragraph... This is the reason why myths (like Greek Mythology) was developed---to make sense of a world and it's many phenomena. In fact we get the word "Hell", from the Norse mythology, "Hel", being the opposite of Valhalla, and being underneath Middle Earth
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: ksa_triceps on November 06, 2009, 01:30:49 PM
No.

Muslims worship Allah.

Christians worship Christ.

Muslims do not accept Christ as God.


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ksatriceps,  Does Surah 9:111 state that to kill or be killed in the name of Allah will ensure a place for the muslim in heaven/"paradise"?   If not, what is it saying please?  Is it referring to jihad or is it just a general statement?

Also, if it does say that, what is the context surrounding Surah 9:111?  Does the surrounding text negate the possibility of someone like this guy at Ft. Hood going to heaven?


[Taubah 9:111] Indeed Allah has purchased from the Muslims their lives and their wealth in exchange of Paradise for them; fighting in Allah's cause, slaying and being slain; a true promise incumbent upon His mercy, (mentioned) in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Qur’an; who fulfils His promise better than Allah? Therefore rejoice upon your deal that you have made with Him; and this is the great success.


Hi STella, It's referring to jihad. In the circumstances that I've mentioned earlier and not any random killing as what that guy did.

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: jtsunami on November 06, 2009, 01:50:52 PM
Muslim soldier who killed 13, wounded many more

time for profiling

your an idiot
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 01:56:14 PM

What about the guy who was responsible for the OKC bombing...send him there next..fucktard

if that is all ya got

ya ain't got much
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 01:58:33 PM
From reading this thread, it appears that the left leaning types, or socialist/european types seem more prone to defend and excuse the radical Islamic atrocities.  I wonder why any logical person with any sense of decency could possibly defend individuals who savagely murder innocents every day, yet get morally outraged if someone deprives a terrorist of a bit of sleep.

exactly
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 01:59:41 PM
Your second paragraph... This is the reason why myths (like Greek Mythology) was developed---to make sense of a world and it's many phenomena. In fact we get the word "Hell", from the Norse mythology, "Hel", being the opposite of Valhalla, and being underneath Middle Earth

Many of the stories in the Bible - plagues, for example - are the result of the same way of thinking.  "We have to explain this!"

Interestingly enough, there are millions of people who think that God manages the weather and associated phenomena the same way that people play Madden on PS3. 
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 02:01:00 PM
And how would you know that?

You do realize that a terrorist is condemned by the religion and the people. According to Islam, they go to hell for that. But again, what do you know.

180?  HAHA!

yeah

and according to islam
you get 72 virgins at death

fucking fairy tales
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 06, 2009, 02:02:51 PM
Tre were you shunned for your  "peculiar" sexual proclivities....
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 02:06:42 PM
fucking fairy tales

Every holy book in a nutshell...
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 02:09:56 PM
Tre were you shunned for your  "peculiar" sexual proclivities....

It's weird...the Mormons aren't quite sure what to make of me, but I have been referred to as 'an agent of the Adversary'.  In general, they have a hard time reconciling the fact that I'm a nice guy with the fact that I consider them all to be out of their minds.  They often play the 'respect our beliefs' card, but don't understand that that carries with it an obligation for them to respect MY belief that they are nutjobs.  Their job is made harder by the fact that their kids usually love me, cuz I'm just so much fun...just like the Devil. 

The Baptists just tell me I was 'raised better than that' and that I'm going to hell if I don't change my ways.

 

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 06, 2009, 02:11:58 PM
It's weird...the Mormons aren't quite sure what to make of me, but I have been referred to as 'an agent of the Adversary'.  In general, they have a hard time reconciling the fact that I'm a nice guy with the fact that I consider them all to be out of their minds.  They often play the 'respect our beliefs' card, but don't understand that that carries with it an obligation for them to respect MY belief that they are nutjobs.  Their job is made harder by the fact that their kids usually love me, cuz I'm just so much fun...just like the Devil. 

The Baptists just tell me I was 'raised better than that' and that I'm going to hell if I don't change my ways.

 



hahaha, classic.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: jtsunami on November 06, 2009, 02:13:15 PM
yeah

and according to islam
you get 72 virgins at death

fucking fairy tales

let's not start on christianity bro  :-X
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Parker on November 06, 2009, 02:16:11 PM
Many of the stories in the Bible - plagues, for example - are the result of the same way of thinking.  "We have to explain this!"

Interestingly enough, there are millions of people who think that God manages the weather and associated phenomena the same way that people play Madden on PS3. 

Ra/Zeus=God,Horus/Hercules=Jesus (son of Zeus and Virgin, just look at the two names), all the minor gods=Angels

religions are built upon one another, like new cities built upon the old. Take the good that you like build upon it, and discard what you don't like or what makes yours look bad.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: lax on November 06, 2009, 02:17:32 PM
Every holy book in a nutshell...

agreed
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Archer77 on November 06, 2009, 03:39:06 PM
*Cough* MattCDebussey*Cough*    ;D

Are you saying i am MattC?   I actually live pretty close to Danielson, although we have never met.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: drkaje on November 06, 2009, 04:52:47 PM
Tre were you shunned for your  "peculiar" sexual proclivities....

Mormons didn't even admit blacks until the 70s.

Me?! I don't trust anyone that doesn't drink coffee.


Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 06, 2009, 04:59:26 PM
Are you saying i am MattC?   I actually live pretty close to Danielson, although we have never met.
No. Just a name-link with your point about social Darwinism. Those two live for that stuff.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 06, 2009, 05:03:21 PM
Mormons didn't even admit blacks until the 70s.

Me?! I don't trust anyone that doesn't drink coffee.





Or booze.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: drkaje on November 06, 2009, 06:34:02 PM

Or booze.

Goes without saying, Show.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: ManBearPig... on November 06, 2009, 07:08:53 PM
Christian God died for his children.
Muslim God wants his children to die for him.


(stolen from radio today)
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: calfzilla on November 06, 2009, 07:55:40 PM
Do they know what country he or is family is from? 
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: jwb on November 06, 2009, 08:19:03 PM
I just think it's a shame people can't be brave enough to live without religion/god and believe in themselves instead...
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: calfzilla on November 06, 2009, 08:55:29 PM
I just think it's a shame people can't be brave enough to live without religion/god and believe in themselves instead...
QFT.  Can you imagine how great the Middle East could be if they abandoned all religion? 
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 06, 2009, 08:58:57 PM
QFT.  Can you imagine how great the Middle East could be if they abandoned all religion? 

America should set the example.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: calfzilla on November 06, 2009, 09:01:31 PM
America should set the example.
Agreed.  Some of us are working on it. 
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on November 06, 2009, 09:45:41 PM
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: gordiano on November 06, 2009, 10:07:08 PM
Religion is the root of all evil.

So fucking true.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: jwb on November 06, 2009, 10:15:51 PM
This is a step in the right direction:

Secular humanism is a humanist philosophy that espouses reason, ethics, and justice, and specifically rejects the supernatural and the spiritual as the basis of moral reflection and decision-making.

Like other types of humanism, secular humanism is a life stance that focuses on the way human beings can lead good, happy and functional lives.

Secular humanism is also called "scientific humanism". Biologist E. O. Wilson claimed it to be "the only worldview compatible with science's growing knowledge of the real world and the laws of nature"
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fatpanda on November 07, 2009, 02:45:12 AM
Try again.

There were the Jews.  A group of upstarts got fed up with Jewish law and decided to create a 'Christ', which would give 'God' a more loving personality.  This was much better for business, so Christianity began to flourish.

The Muslims then split off from the Christians and one idea is that this happened because those Christians (who became Muslims) did not feel that the new laws - as compared to the old Jewish laws - were strict enough. 

They all have the same God, but it doesn't surprise me that you're not aware of this truth, because it's been well-disguised by those who profit the most from the very existence of religion. 



 ??? you been on that crack tre ?



I see what you are saying and yes, Christians accept the OT as true...they believe what it says about Abraham and Moses etc....but Christians believe in a triune God.  God = Father/Son/Holy Spirit

Christians believe Christ is God and worship Him.

You're right in that Islam thinks Christ was a prophet but Islam doesn't recognize Christ as God.




sorry stella but i disagree, anyone that worships christ as god is worshipping a false god, he is not god he is gods son - as we all are. he possessed god like powers perhaps, but again he is not god. there is one god, muslims jews christians all worship him.

also the trinity of - father/son/holy spirit is only believed by catholic christians, prodestans do not accept the holy spirit.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fatpanda on November 07, 2009, 02:59:43 AM


that is shocking and disgraceful on so many fronts. why did the policeman not shoot this alex guy? why did he have a knife? why wasn't he tackled by police until after 18 stabs ? why shoot the husband who seems to be the only one actually trying to prevent a crime  ???

i am deeply ashamed to be a european right now.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 07, 2009, 03:01:05 AM
??? you been on that crack tre ?

You have to learn your history, bro. 

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sorry stella but i disagree, anyone that worships christ as god is worshipping a false god, he is not god he is gods son - as we all are. he possessed god like powers perhaps, but again he is not god. there is one god, muslims jews christians all worship him.

also the trinity of - father/son/holy spirit is only believed by catholic christians, prodestans do not accept the holy spirit.

You just agreed with me yourself in the highlighted portion. 

That said, in MY (this is a personal thing) book, Jesus has always been #2.  When certain bible-thumpers would approach me on the street to interrogate me as to whether I believed Jesus was GOD, I would just say 'no' and laugh as they got bent out of shape.  Regardless of what I believed to be true, it just wasn't that important to me.  I didn't give a shit...they never seemed to understand that I honestly did not care about my 'salvation'. 

So Jesus is - according to you - a 'false god'.  Again, big fucking deal.  The guy died for your sins...for the 'sins of the world', right?  So what's wrong with worshipping the guy a little? 

Regarding the trinity, you're wrong there, too.  MANY protestant faiths, like the Baptists and Methodists, accept the doctrine of the trinity.  The Presbyterians believe in it as well, but have taken a more modern approach to its interpretation in recent years. 

Are you a Christian, fatpanda?


Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fatpanda on November 07, 2009, 03:05:54 AM
You have to learn your history, bro. 

You just agreed with me yourself in the highlighted portion. 

That said, in MY (this is a personal thing) book, Jesus has always been #2.  When certain bible-thumpers would approach me on the street to interrogate me as to whether I believed Jesus was GOD, I would just say 'no' and laugh as they got bent out of shape.  Regardless of what I believed to be true, it just wasn't that important to me.  I didn't give a shit...they never seemed to understand that I honestly did not care about my 'salvation'. 

So Jesus is - according to you - a 'false god'.  Again, big fucking deal.  The guy died for your sins...for the 'sins of the world', right?  So what's wrong with worshipping the guy a little? 

Regarding the trinity, you're wrong there, too.  MANY protestant faiths, like the Baptists and Methodists, accept the doctrine of the trinity.  The Presbyterians believe in it as well, but have taken a more modern approach to its interpretation in recent years. 

Are you a Christian, fatpanda?




tre perhaps you have been reading the wrong history books  ??? or american history books are next to the fairytale section in bookstores  ???

i could rip your post apart, but alas if i were to school every getbigger on factual inacuracies i'd be here 24/7 and never get to post about men in thongs
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fatpanda on November 07, 2009, 03:12:53 AM


Are you a Christian, fatpanda?



i was raised a catholic, and have taught about islam, judiaism, hinduism, sikhism and buddism while working as a primary teacher.

i consider myself a buddhist as it just makes so much sense. it also answered questions i had regarding christianity etc without actually talking about it and other religions.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 07, 2009, 03:42:48 AM
i was raised a catholic, and have taught about islam, judiaism, hinduism, sikhism and buddism while working as a primary teacher.

i consider myself a buddhist as it just makes so much sense. it also answered questions i had regarding christianity etc without actually talking about it and other religions.
Why do you need a religion?
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fatpanda on November 07, 2009, 05:28:53 AM
Why do you need a religion?

we are not here to own people on getbig, work to pay rent, meet people and fuck like animals.

We must be here for a reason, for a greater purpose.

The day you die you will more than likely be struck with an overwhelming fear that you have wasted your life in a rat race on a hamster wheel going nowhere. While in reality all you had to do was jump off and explore the real world.

jump off the wheel chimps !
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 07, 2009, 06:47:02 AM
we are not here to own people on getbig, work to pay rent, meet people and fuck like animals.

We must be here for a reason, for a greater purpose.

The day you die you will more than likely be struck with an overwhelming fear that you have wasted your life in a rat race on a hamster wheel going nowhere. While in reality all you had to do was jump off and explore the real world.

jump off the wheel chimps !
There's no greater purpose. This is all there is. You should make the best of it. I know I am. Don't need a religion for that.  :)
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Butterbean on November 07, 2009, 07:16:58 AM


[Taubah 9:111] Indeed Allah has purchased from the Muslims their lives and their wealth in exchange of Paradise for them; fighting in Allah's cause, slaying and being slain; a true promise incumbent upon His mercy, (mentioned) in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Qur’an; who fulfils His promise better than Allah? Therefore rejoice upon your deal that you have made with Him; and this is the great success.


Hi STella, It's referring to jihad. In the circumstances that I've mentioned earlier and not any random killing as what that guy did.



Interesting.  Thanks for that info.





sorry stella but i disagree, anyone that worships christ as god is worshipping a false god, he is not god he is gods son - as we all are. he possessed god like powers perhaps, but again he is not god. there is one god, muslims jews christians all worship him.



Yeah, we're not going to agree on that!  :)   

Panda, do you know why the muslims accept Jesus as a prophet if He (Jesus) claimed to be God and accepted worship from people?  Seems like they'd reject a person like that entirely?  Maybe ksa_triceps could answer too please?


also the trinity of - father/son/holy spirit is only believed by catholic christians, prodestans do not accept the holy spirit.

Actually Tre is right, protestants do accept the Trinity.



i consider myself a buddhist

Panda, I thought I read that Buddism doesn't really have a God?  Not sure about that though.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Mr Nobody on November 07, 2009, 07:18:52 AM
There's no greater purpose. This is all there is. You should make the best of it. I know I am. Don't need a religion for that.  :)
X2
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 07, 2009, 07:20:43 AM


Panda, do you know why the muslims accept Jesus as a prophet if He (Jesus) claimed to be God and accepted worship from people?  Seems like they'd reject a person like that entirely?  Maybe ksa_triceps could answer too please?
.

They say that Christ never claimed to be God, that others, such as Paul, claimed that.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Butterbean on November 07, 2009, 07:27:54 AM
They say that Christ never claimed to be God, that others, such as Paul, claimed that.


John 13:13

"You call me teacher and Lord, and you're right because that's what I am."



Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 07, 2009, 07:32:11 AM
LOL. This thread is now down to chapter and verse!? The cassocks are gonna come off soon and we're gonna get ready to rumble..... ;D
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Butterbean on November 07, 2009, 07:34:07 AM
cassocks

I had to look that one up  ;D
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Mr Nobody on November 07, 2009, 07:34:43 AM
LOL. This thread is now down to chapter and verse!? The cassocks are gonna come off soon and we're gonna get ready to rumble..... ;D
Yes the worst wars are fought over religion, but religions are supposed to be non violent correct?
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 07, 2009, 07:35:34 AM

John 13:13

"You call me teacher and Lord, and you're right because that's what I am."



I'm just saying what they think/teach.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 07, 2009, 07:36:18 AM
Yes the worst wars are fought over religion, but religions are supposed to be non violent correct?
Don't forget land, riches and women. Those have also started a few.  ;D
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Mr Nobody on November 07, 2009, 07:38:27 AM
Don't forget land, riches and women. Those have also started a few.  ;D
They are related to religion as well 8)
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: dr.chimps on November 07, 2009, 07:41:49 AM
They are related to religion as well 8)
Sure. Helen of Troy, who's face launched a 1,000 ships.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Butterbean on November 07, 2009, 07:48:39 AM

I'm just saying what they think/teach.

Yes...they ;D

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 07, 2009, 07:53:24 AM
Yes...they ;D



 ;D  "Tonya"
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 07, 2009, 08:45:21 AM
tre perhaps you have been reading the wrong history books  ??? or american history books are next to the fairytale section in bookstores  ???

i could rip your post apart, but alas if i were to school every getbigger on factual inacuracies i'd be here 24/7 and never get to post about men in thongs

Hey, if you've got counter-points to what I brought forward, BY ALL MEANS, tear that post apart! 

It's funny you should mention fairy tales, as that's pretty much all the 'Bible' is.  The irony is that I do believe that raw material for everything we see was created.  As for talking bushes and rain storms killing 'everyone on earth', though...I have yet to understand how people still believe this stuff. 

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fatpanda on November 07, 2009, 10:00:55 AM
Interesting.  Thanks for that info.


Yeah, we're not going to agree on that!  :)   

Panda, do you know why the muslims accept Jesus as a prophet if He (Jesus) claimed to be God and accepted worship from people?  Seems like they'd reject a person like that entirely?  Maybe ksa_triceps could answer too please?

Actually Tre is right, protestants do accept the Trinity.

Panda, I thought I read that Buddism doesn't really have a God?  Not sure about that though.

completely wrong stella:

1: jesus never claimed he was god - feel free to post a passage from the bible though to prove me wrong ;) you can't because he never uttered the phrase 'i am god'.
2. tre is dead wrong on all counts from his understanding of how christianity was formed to protestants accepting the holy trinity - they do not at all in any capacity accept the holy spirit - unless american protetsants follow some other form of christianity closer to catholic chrstianity.
3. buddha did not like to talk about god. He says it is a useless question, and many times refused to even answer the question. However on a few occassions he did:

When Ananthapindika, a wealthy young man met the Buddha at the  bamboo groove at Rajagriha, the Buddha made a few statements about the existence  of God and the real cause behind the creation of beings in this world. These views are summarized as below:

1. If God is indeed the creator of all living things, then all things here should submit to His power unquestioningly. Like the vessels produced by a potter, they should remain without any individuality of their own. If that is so, how can there be an opportunity for any one to practice virtue?

2. If this world is indeed created by God, then there should be no sorrow or calamity or evil in this world, for all deeds, both pure and impure, must come from Him.

3. If it is not so, then there must be some other cause besides God which is behind Him, in which case He would not be self-existent.
 
4. It is not convincing that the Absolute has created us, because that which is absolute cannot be a cause. All things here arise from different causes. Then can we can say that the Absolute is the cause of all things alike? If the Absolute is pervading them, then certainly It is not their creator.

5. If we consider the Self as the maker, why did it not make things pleasant? Why and how should it create so much sorrow and suffering for itself?

6. It is neither God nor the self nor some causeless chance which creates us. It is our our deeds which produce both good and bad results according to the law of causation.

7. We should therefore abandon the heresy of worshipping God and of praying to him. We should stops all speculation and vain talk about such matters and practice good so that good may result from our good deeds.

The Buddha did not encourage speculation on the existence of God among  his disciples. He wanted them to confine themselves to what was within their field of awareness, that is, to understand the causes of suffering and work for its mitigation.

He preached that initially each being was a product of ignorance and illusion and subject to suffering, karma and transmigration. He therefore urged his disciples to contemplate upon the Four Noble Truths, practice the Eightfold path, lead a virtuous life by performing good deeds and works towards their final liberation from all becoming and changing.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Tre on November 07, 2009, 11:59:42 AM
i was raised a catholic, and have taught about islam, judiaism, hinduism, sikhism and buddism while working as a primary teacher.

i consider myself a buddhist as it just makes so much sense. it also answered questions i had regarding christianity etc without actually talking about it and other religions.

Ok, having been raised Catholic explains your claim for the ownership of the divine trinity. 

I remember repeating - as a young Methodist - the Apostles' creed...that I "believed in the holy Catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, etc. etc."  Didn't really know what all that crap meant and never attached any real meaning to it...even as a child, I knew that religion was little more than a bunch of words and feelings. 
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Fatpanda on November 07, 2009, 12:05:05 PM
Ok, having been raised Catholic explains your claim for the ownership of the divine trinity.  

I remember repeating - as a young Methodist - the Apostles' creed...that I "believed in the holy Catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, etc. etc."  Didn't really know what all that crap meant and never attached any real meaning to it...even as a child, I knew that religion was little more than a bunch of words and feelings.  

the united kingdom have fought civil wars regarding catholicism and protestism ( if thats even a word  ;D  ).

it is a major difference between the religious beliefs - daft though it is people still get killed today for their beliefs.

actually thinking about it, it would not surprise me if american protestants believed in the holy trinity, you also made up that rapture nonsense  ::)
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on November 07, 2009, 12:49:14 PM
that is shocking and disgraceful on so many fronts. why did the policeman not shoot this alex guy? why did he have a knife? why wasn't he tackled by police until after 18 stabs ? why shoot the husband who seems to be the only one actually trying to prevent a crime  ???

i am deeply ashamed to be a european right now.

this is just to show that terrorism can be found in any religion or any race!..
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: drkaje on November 07, 2009, 01:52:29 PM
Panda laying the Buddha smack down!! :)
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Ex Coelis on November 08, 2009, 04:11:59 PM
I'm saddened that so many people see religion as a negative thing

as a Catholic, I try to always do the right thing, treat others with love and respect, to fulfil my God-given potential, and to encourage others to fulfil their own

introspection, humility, selflessness, generosity, and forgiveness are all encouraged by my faith

indiscriminate violence and radicalism are not
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The True Adonis on November 08, 2009, 04:14:14 PM
Religion and the Religious of every single type are worthless.  Deluding yourself is dangerous to reality and dangerous to others when you act upon or teach your delusion.

Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 08, 2009, 04:48:55 PM
Panda laying the Buddha smack down!! :)

He certainly looks the part.
Title: Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
Post by: Ex Coelis on November 08, 2009, 04:52:58 PM
in anticipation of the inevital questions regarding how I reconcile having faught in Afghanistan with the intent to destroy the Taliban (succesfully to a degree, I might add  ;) ) with being a peace-loving Christian, I'll offer this thought:

sometimes choices are not simply black and white, right or wrong. more often than not it becomes a choice between various shades of grey, or what is most right. violence and war are regrettable. unfotuntely, the Taliban made the choice to harbour al-Qaida, restrict the rights of Afghans and abuse/oppress women. as a counter to their choice, I made my choice to join the army and fight against them. going to war was not 100% right but it was MORE right than doing nothing to stop the injustice

after seeing the positive impact we've made over there first hand and the thousands of children who deserve to live in a free and prosperous nation I still feel it was the right choice


haha this might prove everyone else's point about religion and war, but there it is  ;D