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when Bush ws prez i saw white people with " i LOVE AMERICA" stickers on their cars
now that Obammer is prez i see a lot of blacks with " i LOVE OBAMA" stickers on their cars
i find that there is something REALLY wrong with this......
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when Bush ws prez i saw white people with " i LOVE AMERICA" stickers on their cars
now that Obammer is prez i see a lot of blacks with " i LOVE OBAMA" stickers on their cars
i find that there is something REALLY wrong with this......
I've never seen an "I Love Obama" sticker and I live in CA
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I've never seen an "I Love Obama" sticker and I live in CA
i live in PG country maryland. one of the most black populated counties in the US
i see "i love obama" tee shirts and stickers almost on a daily basis
dont believe me....just visit...i'll buy you your own obama tee shirt...he's revered like jesus here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_George's_County,_Maryland#Demographics
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I never seen one either. But so the fuck what? They are 2 different things. People support all kinds of stupid shit all the time everywhere all around the world.
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They're everywhere in my area. But, then again, I also see a lot of pro-Bush and anti-Obama stuff. Par for the course...
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I never seen one either. But so the fuck what? They are 2 different things. People support all kinds of stupid shit all the time everywhere all around the world.
so what?? kinda reminds of chavez...
NO what i'm implying is...that most blacks consider Obamas presidency MORE important than America itself...
i DO have a problem with it...
as stupid republicans get sometimes...i never got the feeling that at anytime they considered Bush more important than America...
hell i get the feeling that obama thinks he's more important than America
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Kinda boils down to if you love Obama you hate America. Obama and the libs have aborted the Consitution in every way.
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NO what i'm implying is...that most blacks consider Obamas presidency MORE important than America itself...
It's your conclusion that MOST blacks, (most of the 30+ Million in the USA) consider Obamas presidency more important than America, is based on your observations of several dozen bumper stickers in the area you live that aren't related?
What are you smoking?
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Kinda boils down to if you love Obama you hate America. Obama and the libs have aborted the Consitution in every way.
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Are you saying I'm wrong Oz?
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It's your conclusion that MOST blacks, (most of the 30+ Million in the USA) consider Obamas presidency more important than America, is based on your observations of several dozen bumper stickers in the area you live that aren't related?
What are you smoking?
Yes thats EXACTLY what i'm implying...and not several dozen bumper stickers...hell go into most black malls here near me and they r like shrines to obama...(thats fine but an obama chia pet is racist...lol gimme a fackin break)
lemme ask you..HAS OPRAH EVER had a X-mas special for ANY prezident before? Why?
HUH? it is what it is...thing is..since i'm not white ..i DONT have to tippy toe around black people and i saw what most r thinking :-*
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lemme ask you..HAS OPRAH EVER had a X-mas special for ANY prezident before?
;D
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She's really having a Xmas special for him??
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She's really having a Xmas special for him??
here it is <embed is disabled>
now either oprah being black thinks that Obama is more important than America OR she is a racist bitch for NEVER having done this for a white prez
YOU decide
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Are you saying I'm wrong Oz?
What I'm saying is that your statement is a logical fallacy (reductio ad absurdum). And the second one has no basis in fact.
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Yes thats EXACTLY what i'm implying...and not several dozen bumper stickers...hell go into most black malls here near me and they r like shrines to obama...(thats fine but an obama chia pet is racist...lol gimme a fackin break)
lemme ask you..HAS OPRAH EVER had a X-mas special for ANY prezident before? Why?
HUH? it is what it is...thing is..since i'm not white ..i DONT have to tippy toe around black people and i saw what most r thinking :-*
Another logical fallacy. Just because Oprah has a Obama X-mas special doesn't mean she hates America. Besides what does that have to with your infinitely less than scientific conclusion based on what might be several hundred bumper stickers you see in malls and their zero relation with i love america bumper stickers? And how you apply that to the 30+million blacks in America or the feeble attempt to tie Ophrah's TV/Marketing show to it?
PS Obama Chia pet? that's pretty funny. Does the chia pet bother you?
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here it is <embed is disabled>
now either oprah being black thinks that Obama is more important than America OR she is a racist bitch for NEVER having done this for a white prez
YOU decide
Same logical fallacy. Reducing to the "either or" based on belief and not facts.
I am pretty surprised (not really) that after all the shit you take defending muslims, most of it stereotypical, you do the same shit.
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I am pretty surprised (not really) that after all the shit you take defending muslims, most of it stereotypical, you do the same shit.
well....i figure...since most of the douches whining on here about muslims happen to be black....might as well give em a taste of their own ;)
and sorry mate ...there r BLACK TERRORISTS in africa ;D
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well....i figure...since most of the douches whining on here about muslims happen to be black....might as well give em a taste of their own ;)
and sorry mate ...there r BLACK TERRORISTS in africa ;D
;D
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Same logical fallacy. Reducing to the "either or" based on belief and not facts.
I am pretty surprised (not really) that after all the shit you take defending muslims, most of it stereotypical, you do the same shit.
We can start with this. The President nor congress has the constitutional authority to either fire a CEO or take over another company (GM, Chrysler)...yet they did. Want more?
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We can start with this. The President nor congress has the constitutional authority to either fire a CEO or take over another company (GM, Chrysler)...yet they did. Want more?
Yes plz show me more.
However, you said they have "Obama and the libs have aborted the Consitution in every way. "
Aborted means: "bring to a premature end because of a problem or fault"
1. Has the constitution been brought to an end or abolished?
2. Do we no longer operate as a republic based on the constitution?
3. No more bill of rights? No more 3 branches of government? etc...
4. Please list every way that the constitution can be brought to a premature end and show how Obama and the libs have done just that.
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To help remind you of what you said and what i said:
You said: "Obama and the libs have aborted the Consitution in every way."
I said: "And the second one has no basis in fact."
I still maintain your statement is grossly accurate.
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Toxic, yes there is some of this kind of thinking in the people, but it didn't start with Obama. There seems to be some strange need in the people to worship. You see it in so many areas of daily life all over the world. People always seem to elevate normal people to some higher status and worship. By far Obama wouldn't be the first president some people did this with.
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We can start with this. The President nor congress has the constitutional authority to either fire a CEO or take over another company (GM, Chrysler)...yet they did. Want more?
the government gave them billions of dollars to stay afloat.
i dont give a shit if its consitutional or not
the government has leverage over them.
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Toxic, yes there is some of this kind of thinking in the people, but it didn't start with Obama. There seems to be some strange need in the people to worship. You see it in so many areas of daily life all over the world. People always seem to elevate normal people to some higher status and worship. By far Obama wouldn't be the first president some people did this with.
i expect this sorta thing of 3rd world idiots...ie pakistan...africa..etc
this is AMERICA....i just expect better
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the government gave them billions of dollars to stay afloat.
i dont give a shit if its consitutional or not
the government has leverage over them.
That's all good, but that's not the issue here.
JME, Coach, said Obama and the libs have prematurely ended (aborted) the constitution in every way.
That's as far from the truth as it gets.
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i expect this sorta thing of 3rd world idiots...ie pakistan...africa..etc
this is AMERICA....i just expect better
yea, it happens here all the time. Like I said, it seems to be some sick quality in humans and it didn't start with Obama worship.
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Toxic, yes there is some of this kind of thinking in the people, but it didn't start with Obama. There seems to be some strange need in the people to worship. You see it in so many areas of daily life all over the world. People always seem to elevate normal people to some higher status and worship. By far Obama wouldn't be the first president some people did this with.
President Worship: (BUSH)
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yea, it happens here all the time. Like I said, it seems to be some sick quality in humans and it didn't start with Obama worship.
whats more disturbing is that the big eared idiot seeoms to revel in it
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We can start with this. The President nor congress has the constitutional authority to either fire a CEO or take over another company (GM, Chrysler)...yet they did. Want more?
Is there anything in the Constitution preventing the government from buying into a corporation? To my knowledge there isn't. And, as 60% stakeholders in the company, the president has every right to fire the CEO.
I hate the stimulus and think it's wrong. But, they took the bailout, the government took the shitty stock, and the government is well within it's rights.
Don't want the government firing a private company's CEO's? Then file for bankruptcy and let the chips fall where they may.
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That's all good, but that's not the issue here.
JME, Coach, said Obama and the libs have prematurely ended (aborted) the constitution in every way.
That's as far from the truth as it gets.
it is an issue.
this is an example he gave.
writing in bold is serious
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it is an issue.
this is an example he gave.
writing in bold is serious
writing is bold is akin to high lighting..
if u dont wanna read the whole post...just read the bold and it'll still make sence
kapees or are you an obama fan and i need to dumb it down a bit?
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That's a fucked up video Ozmo...
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it is an issue.
this is an example he gave.
writing in bold is serious
Is it forbidden in the constitution?
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That's a fucked up video Ozmo...
I typed in "president worship" on google and that's the first thing that popped up.
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President Worship: (BUSH)
great.... we r surrounded by morons in both parties :-\
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off topic..watch comedy central at 10 est...i'mm off to..
Russell Peters "red white and brown"
indian comedian
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Is there anything in the Constitution preventing the government from buying into a corporation? To my knowledge there isn't. And, as 60% stakeholders in the company, the president has every right to fire the CEO.
I hate the stimulus and think it's wrong. But, they took the bailout, the government took the shitty stock, and the government is well within it's rights.
Don't want the government firing a private company's CEO's? Then file for bankruptcy and let the chips fall where they may.
So, JME is wrong on both counts. Obama is not aborting the constitution, nor is he violating it.
I agree, I think the stimulus is a faulty idea, but still not sure how not doing would have turned out.
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writing is bold is akin to high lighting..
if u dont wanna read the whole post...just read the bold and it'll still make sence
kapees or are you an obama fan and i need to dumb it down a bit?
I didn't reply to you...youre trying too hard man.
oh and...you dont have to compensate for doing a complete 180 politically :-\. Hey, people change.
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Is it forbidden in the constitution?
ask JME
its his beef :-\
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JME's a friggen parrot. no original thoughts. he musta heard it on a teabagger show first
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JME's a friggen parrot. no original thoughts. he musta heard it on a teabagger show first
I'm just asking for him to back his 2 statements:
Obama and the libs have aborted the Consitution in every way.
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The President nor congress has the constitutional authority to either fire a CEO or take over another company (GM, Chrysler)...yet they did.
Also, he didn't defend this one, but it's logically incorrect none the less:
Kinda boils down to if you love Obama you hate America.
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when Bush ws prez i saw white people with " i LOVE AMERICA" stickers on their cars
now that Obammer is prez i see a lot of blacks with " i LOVE OBAMA" stickers on their cars
i find that there is something REALLY wrong with this......
I saw the same garbage wehn MJ died. most blacks in my hood were wearing MJ shirts and hats etcx. Pathetic.
Most are followers and not leaders and simply go along with the party line. Utterly pathetic that any racial group givwes 95 percent to any poloitical party regardaless.
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So, JME is wrong on both counts. Obama is not aborting the constitution, nor is he violating it.
I agree, I think the stimulus is a faulty idea, but still not sure how not doing would have turned out.
To my knowledge, it's perfectly constitutional for the government to invest in private companies. In fact, the government buys stock in financial institutions.
As for his other statement, I think he was just being facetious. Who knows.
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It's more than just a religious style worship. The word worship won't point to all the worshiping that goes on by people. You see people who have gained an adoration for a person who the "believe in" They simply have faith in them and take that to a level of trust and admiration which is in essence faith and worship. You see people do that all the time and especially where people are thought to be working in some way for the people against evil forces. The republicans just got done playing up the bad guy anti people image for 8 years. It doesn't shock me that you're going to find this quality in some people behind Obama. I witness them doing it in one way or another all the time. Look at our society. It's so savior oriented it's stupid. Superman or most superheros that we love are all around a savior ideology. It's so in the American psyche it's silly. They even do it for celebs. Celebs are on almost a royalty level in this country and the adoration goes to far many times.
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President Worship: (BUSH)
I would laugh if it wasn't so pathetic.
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they did it for Reagan and JFK too.
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They even do it for celebs. Celebs are on almost a royalty level in this country and the adoration goes to far many times.
True and ridiculous. You see those people standing in roped off areas, yelling, calling out to the celeb, hoping for a nod, handshake, or maybe an autograph. Or those crazy conventions for like Star Trek fans. I don't get any of that crap. There's no way I'd stand in some huge crowd hoping some schmuck actor will give me some type of acknowledgement.
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also, remember Bush and Bush's Brain, Rove, trying to associate Bush with superman? superman is a fictional savior image.
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any company that says "we will fail without govt handout $" should NOT bitch when the govt attaches some conditions to the FREE MONEY.
if you don't like govt involvement, then you don't have to take the free cash. The moment you abandon the tenets of capitalism and walk into Congress with your hat out, then yes, the govt suddenly gets some say in how you manage that money. Cause without it - there's nothing to stop you from just splitting the free $ up between the top execs and coming back in a month complaining you're still broke.
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any company that says "we will fail without govt handout $" should NOT bitch when the govt attaches some conditions to the FREE MONEY.
if you don't like govt involvement, then you don't have to take the free cash. The moment you abandon the tenets of capitalism and walk into Congress with your hat out, then yes, the govt suddenly gets some say in how you manage that money. Cause without it - there's nothing to stop you from just splitting the free $ up between the top execs and coming back in a month complaining you're still broke.
post in the wrong thread ???
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Yes plz show me more.
However, you said they have "Obama and the libs have aborted the Consitution in every way. "
Aborted means: "bring to a premature end because of a problem or fault"
1. Has the constitution been brought to an end or abolished?
Not in the literal sense of course, but have they ignored the guidlines set forth in the constitution? Hell yes.
2. Do we no longer operate as a republic based on the constitution?
Of course we do, but as you can see, the liberals are trying their best to change that. They ignore the constitution.
3. No more bill of rights? No more 3 branches of government? etc...
4. Please list every way that the constitution can be brought to a premature end and show how Obama and the libs have done just that.
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To help remind you of what you said and what i said:
You said: "Obama and the libs have aborted the Consitution in every way."
I said: "And the second one has no basis in fact."
I still maintain your statement is grossly accurate.
If you want to say you got me, then so be it. But you anyone else cannot deny that the Constitution set forth by our forefathers have been desecrated and IMO they have ignored and gone against the constitution so much on a daily I consider them damn near if not traitors to our country.
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To my knowledge, it's perfectly constitutional for the government to invest in private companies. In fact, the government buys stock in financial institutions.
As for his other statement, I think he was just being facetious. Who knows.
They can invest all they want, they just can't take over.
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If you want to say you got me, then so be it. But you anyone else cannot deny that the Constitution set forth by our forefathers have been desecrated and IMO they have ignored and gone against the constitution so much on a daily I consider them damn near if not traitors to our country.
and were you rejected by the armed services for duty because you were too short?
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so what?? kinda reminds of chavez...
NO what i'm implying is...that most blacks consider Obamas presidency MORE important than America itself...
i DO have a problem with it...
as stupid republicans get sometimes...i never got the feeling that at anytime they considered Bush more important than America...
hell i get the feeling that obama thinks he's more important than America
Just because YOU get that feeling, ...doesn't exactly make it so.
If he thought he was more importtant than America, ...he'd have saved his ass for 2012 by refusing to compromise on Health care reform.
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Yes thats EXACTLY what i'm implying...and not several dozen bumper stickers...hell go into most black malls here near me and they r like shrines to obama...(thats fine but an obama chia pet is racist...lol gimme a fackin break)
lemme ask you..HAS OPRAH EVER had a X-mas special for ANY prezident before? Why?
HUH? it is what it is...thing is..since i'm not white ..i DONT have to tippy toe around black people and i saw what most r thinking :-*
There have been many journalists who have done Prime Time specials at The Whitehouse.
Oprah just happens to be the one who got this particular Presidential interview. And since she is associated with ABC, ...it became an ABC presidential interview. I'm sure if Bill O'Reilly had landed the interview, ...it would have been a FOX Christmas special from the Whitehouse.
In years past, she has interviewed presidential candidates on her show.
It's only been since the last Presidential election that she had chosen NOT to have ANY presidential candidate
What journalist or talk show host would turn down the priviledge?
Has Oprah ever campaigned for and cried her eyelashes off for any President before?
Look what interviewing Nixon did for Frost's career? Of course she'd be happy to do it.
now either oprah being black thinks that Obama is more important than America OR she is a racist bitch for NEVER having done this for a white prez
YOU decide
I think you're being an idiot! That's MY decision.
oprah is a world class interviewer, AND a good friend of the Obama's. Of course she'd get the interview.
By your reasoning, because Oprah is Black, shouldn't have the interview. It should have been given to a white person, or because she's Black, she's a racist for interviewing the president? Was she a racist when she interviewed Clinton? Was Arsenio a racist when he interviewed Clinton? Was Letterman a racist when he had McCain on his show? How about Larry King? Is he a big racist for interviewing white presidents in years past? Put down the crack pipe Toxie. :-\
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well....i figure...since most of the douches whining on here about muslims happen to be black....might as well give em a taste of their own ;)
and sorry mate ...there r BLACK TERRORISTS in africa ;D
So what you're saying in that Nordic, Billy, Whorewell, JME / Coach, HH6, and BerzerkFury etc are Black.
Hahaha... Somehow I get the feeling Billy isn't going to like that too much. :-\
ps: When have I, big_mal, Parker, DrKaje, or Bay ever whined about Muslims on here?
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oh and...you dont have to compensate for doing a complete 180 politically :-\. Hey, people change.
its called evolving...
you should try it sometimes...
I didn't reply to you...youre trying too hard man.
you come to a thread I started and tell me you dont wanna talk to me...LMAO ::)
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I saw the same garbage wehn MJ died. most blacks in my hood were wearing MJ shirts and hats etcx. Pathetic.
Most are followers and not leaders and simply go along with the party line. Utterly pathetic that any racial group givwes 95 percent to any poloitical party regardaless.
i agree with you 33 BUT the repb party has been sucking that idiot palins titty pretty hard
well at least they dont wear palin tee shirts
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i agree with you 33 BUT the repb party has been sucking that idiot palins titty pretty hard
well at least they dont wear palin tee shirts
People like her because she makes the left go ballistic and she is not afraid to call people out.
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Just because YOU get that feeling, ...doesn't exactly make it so.
If he thought he was more importtant than America, ...he'd have saved his ass for 2012 by refusing to compromise on Health care reform.
my feeling is based on observation....
and he IS trying to save his ass....do you know when health care reform will take effect?
AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION ;)
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People like her because she makes the left go ballistic and she is not afraid to call people out.
get real for once ::)
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get real for once ::)
I like her because she is not a rich snob marxist pofs globailist like we have in the WH. Is that ok?
She is also hot too. :o
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my feeling is based on observation....
and he IS trying to save his ass....do you know when health care reform will take effect?
AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION ;)
This so called HCR reform bill is probably the worst thing I have ecver seen in my lifetime as far as legislation goes. Its far worse than the patriot act.
Anyone who supports this needs to jump off a very tall skyscaper. Its truly going to be one of the last nails in our coffin.
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There have been many journalists who have done Prime Time specials at The Whitehouse.Oprah just happens to be the one who got this particular Presidential interview.
poof majik....happens to be the one to spend the day at the white house personally interviewing and mingling with the 1st family just like many many other reporters have gotton to done with other presidents ::) and like she did for other presidents ::)
Has Oprah ever campaigned for and cried her eyelashes off for any President before?
thanx for making my point
I think you're being an idiot! That's MY decision.
i expect black people to whine and get mad at this thread...i've learned that from my 12ish yrs in America
oprah is a world class interviewer,
i edited the rest of what you said but she's RACIST CAUSE she never did it for ANY other prezident and as soon as a black one arrives the bitch is there wagging her tail
black people have cried racism for EXACTLY the reasons i put forth and now you dont like it when i turn the tables a bit :-\
want me to find you a self loathing white person to complain to?(the black modus operandi) i could care less for your anger ;)
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I like her because she is not a rich snob marxist pofs globailist like we have in the WH. Is that ok?
She is also hot too. :o
I can like her for all those same reasons. I actually don't hate her. But the reason you keep mentioning, that the left fears her, is silly.
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I can like her for all those same reasons. I actually don't hate her. But the reason you keep mentioning, that the left fears her, is silly.
You may not hate her, but have you ever gone to DU, Huff Post, Salon or other sites?
They hate for, not for policy reasons, but frivolous nonsense.
My loathing of Obama is almost entirely policy based. He is simply pushing the most widespread NWO agenda and nanny state crap I have ever seen.
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You may not hate her, but have you ever gone to DU, Huff Post, Salon or other sites?
They hate for, not for policy reasons, but frivolous nonsense.
My loathing of Obama is almost entirely policy based. He is simply pushing the most widespread NWO agenda and nanny state crap I have ever seen.
I don't think they do. I think they think the same thing I do for the most part. She is a joke as a presidential candidate. That doesn't mean I/we hate or fear her and I'm betting others that mock her as a presidential candidate don't hate her but just feel she's a joke for the prospect. Anything other than president, she seems like a fine woman. It's not her time imo. She just doesn't have the time and knowledge in to be president. She struggles with so many basic questions. As VP, she was struggling with questions that people on this board would comfortably address. She needs more time. She needs to have a voice of her own. Right now she comes across as a voice solely provided by advisers. Last thing we need is another Manchurian candidate. We just had two in a row for sure.
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They can invest all they want, they just can't take over.
As far as I know, they haven't taken over any company. The public is now the majority stakeholder in that shitty company, so we do have a say in who runs it and what the pay should be.
They should've let them file bankruptcy and undergone a forced reorganization. I don't want anybody to lose their job, but we can't just keep floating a company that consumers don't want. Taking the route the government took, IMO will cost more jobs down the road because the changes are going to be that more radical.
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poof majik....happens to be the one to spend the day at the white house personally interviewing and mingling with the 1st family just like many many other reporters have gotton to done with other presidents ::)
I don't know of any other journalist /interviewer who has had a personal friendship with the First family. Oprah does.
and like she did for other presidents ::)thanx for making my point i expect black people to whine and get mad at this thread...i've learned that from my 12ish yrs in America i edited the rest of what you said but she's RACIST CAUSE she never did it for ANY other prezident and as soon as a black one arrives the bitch is there wagging her tail
What you perceive as anger is merely dismissal. I think you're either drunk, ...or being an idiot. I'm not mad.
Again I ask you... where is your righteous indignation of Larry King or Barbara Walters?
You're pissed off at Oprah because she is the natural choice for a presidential interview?
Where was your anger when Barbara Walters got the first interview with the First Family?
Is Barbara Walters a racist self-hating Jew because she interviewed Obama instead of Bernanke?
black people have cried racism for EXACTLY the reasons i put forth and now you dont like it when i turn the tables a bit :-\
want me to find you a self loathing white person to complain to?(the black modus operandi) i could care less for your anger ;)
You misread me. I'm not angry. Perplexed by your irrational stupidity, but not angry.
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If you want to say you got me, then so be it. But you anyone else cannot deny that the Constitution set forth by our forefathers have been desecrated and IMO they have ignored and gone against the constitution so much on a daily I consider them damn near if not traitors to our country.
I didn't respond to your post because i wanted to "get" you. Your post was invalid, untrue and with out factual basis. It was a lie, propaganda, and complete regurgitated slop from some righteous talking head, like RUSH, Glen Beck or Savage.
Now, exactly how has the constitution been treated with violent disrespect (desecrated)?
How have they gone against the constitution so much? Which areas? Which sections?
How are they trying to ignore the constitution?
How have these actions implicated them as traitors?
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People like her because she makes the left go ballistic and she is not afraid to call people out.
It works both ways. She's just a side show. She may end even being the conservatives al sharpton.
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I didn't respond to your post because i wanted to "get" you. Your post was invalid, untrue and with out factual basis. It was a lie, propaganda, and complete regurgitated slop from some righteous talking head, like RUSH, Glen Beck or Savage.
Now, exactly how has the constitution been treat with violent disrespect (desecrated)?
How have they gone against the constitution so much? Which areas? Which sections?
How have these actions implicated them as traitors?
No lies Ozmo, your going to tell me this President and administration haven't ignored the constitution when making vital decisions. I gave you a couple of examples already. You're going to try to tell me that forcing people to re-distribute they're hard earned money isn't unconstitutional?
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People like her because she makes the left go ballistic and she is not afraid to call people out.
if "go ballistic" means laughing our ass off then you're right
I don't know what you mean by calling people but she's always the first to whine like a baby when someone points out one of her lies or even when someone asks her a "gotcha" question like "What do you READ"?
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Toxic Avenger's stock has increased 10 fold in the past few weeks. Initially I thought you were a typical whiny lib, but you have totally changed my perception of you.
Kudos.
Anyone else want to nominate TA as a mod?
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No lies Ozmo, your going to tell me this President and administration haven't ignored the constitution when making vital decisions. I gave you a couple of examples already. You're going to try to tell me that forcing people to re-distribute they're hard earned money isn't unconstitutional?
What is the constitution?
It is a set of laws/rules for governing? Or is it a set of suggestions and implications?
The USA has been forcing people to re-distribute their hard earned money ever since they first taxed them some 200 years ago. So complaining about taxes as they go up and down as they have been forever is moot. We all knew, taxes would go up. Even if a conservative was in the white house. BUSH sr. even said in his campaigning that taxes weren't going to go up and he raised them too!
Also, if you read the posts on this thread no one has shown where it's "against" the constitution to do these things with GM and such. Read Skip's posts. Can you show me where's it's against it? I've been asking.
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How unconstitutional is Barack Obama?
1) Bailouts
The U.S. Constitution gives Congress the power to spend the taxpayer’s money. Without the consent of Congress, the President cannot legally spend taxpayer money.
No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law.
Two Presidents had a hand in the auto industry bailout: 1) President G. W. Bush by using TARP (Troubled Asset Relief Program) money authorized by Congress and 2) President Barack Obama, not using TARP funds, but declaring that he would use monies from somewhere, and do so with the authority and power of the Executive Branch. At the time, CNSNews.com correspondent Fred Lucas asked Press Secretary Robert Gibbs where President Obama derived his authority to use taxpayer funds to bail out GM and Chrysler.
I think the determination has been made both by the previous administration and the current administration that this assistance is legal, and our goal is to ensure that the taxpayers in any instance when this is used feel confident that it’s being done in a transparent and accountable way,” Gibbs said.
President Bush’s use of congressionally approved TARP funds is suspect also, although the money was “legislated” by Congress. The bug in the ointment is that the TARP funds were authorized only for use by the Treasury to purchase “troubled assets” from “financial institutions.” The auto industry does not qualify as a “financial institution.”
CNSNews.com once again seeks an answer, this time from House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer:
The administration clearly believes it does have the authority to use some of the remaining TARP funds for the automobile industry,” Hoyer told Fred Lucas of CNSNews.com.
I don’t know, technically. I would be kidding you to mouth some words on that, because I don’t know technically where that authority would be,” said Hoyer. “But my own view is that if it is perceived they don’t have that authority and it is perceived by the Congress they need to have that authority, the Congress would probably be willing to give that authority. But I don’t know technically the answer to that question.
Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass) introduced a Bill in the House to give the President Constitutional authority for the bailouts. Sixty Senators were required to vote for the legislation to overcome a Senate filibuster. Those votes were not there and the legislation was dead.
Then comes the Time of Obama. There was no attempt to get the Senate Banking Committee to introduce the needed legislation.
Rep. Barney Frank washed his hands of all responsibility of the administration’s trampling the Constitution. Again, when CNSNews.com asked Frank about Obama’s intentions to do the bailout without Congressional approval, Frank allegedly said:
It’s an administration situation so I’m not very well informed on it,” Frank told Fred Lucas of CNSNews.com
Then the correspondent asked Frank if Obama’s promised guarantee of the auto warranties for GM and Chrysler needed “legislative authority,” Frank was even clearer in his answer:
Do the words ‘I’m not very well informed on it’ have any meaning to you? Am I speaking a language you don’t understand?”
It’s not something I’m focused on,” said Frank. “The committee, which I chair, keeps me busy. I have not had a chance to look at that. I do not have an informed opinion on it. It’s not my understanding that Congress is going to get to vote on it. So I tend to focus on things that are under the jurisdiction of the committee and that we’ll have to vote on. When things are neither, I don’t have a very well-informed opinion.
So much for constitutionally-mandated Congressional oversight.
Back in October 2008, the CATO Institute looks at the constitutionality of the auto bailouts. After exploring the fact that the government “created this crisis with everything from artificially low interest rates to political pressures for affordable housing, quick loans for bad credit risks, and the subsidization of agencies such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Nevertheless, CATO Institute’s chairman, Robert A. Levy, says, no, the bailout is not constitutional.
The federal government has no constitutional authority to spend taxpayers’ money to buy distressed assets, much less to take an ownership position in private financial institutions. And Congress has no constitutional authority to delegate nearly plenary legislative power to the Treasury secretary, an executive branch official.Congress can proceed only from legitimate authority, not from good intentions alone. That means we must find a constitutional pedigree for each proposed law.
Levy then discusses the rationale of using the commerce clause to legitimize the spending, but he clearly decides that any reasoning for this position is a misinterpretation.
Moreover, it is not a commerce clause argument to say that Congress created the mess and, therefore, Congress can do whatever it wants to fix the mess. Legislators’ misdeeds do not ipso facto justify the socialization of private banks, brokers, mortgage companies, and insurance companies-and who knows where it stops.
Even if Congress could defend the bailout as a means of preventing interstate impediments to commerce, that would not legitimize any and all means.
Under the sub-heading No Intelligible Principle, Levy says (snippets):
Indeed, the bailout quite clearly violates the Constitution’s separation-of-powers principle-in particular, what has become known as the nondelegation doctrine, which states that Congress may not delegate its legislative power to any other entity, including the Cabinet departments of the executive branch….A plain reading of that text shows that lawmaking is for the legislative branch, which does not include the Treasury Department. Yet when Congress authorized the bailout package, it gave Secretary Henry Paulson Jr. unprecedented power to act as a super-legislature.
But Congress itself, not an executive official, must be accountable for the consequences of laws that Congress puts in place. That tenet has been a cornerstone of our Constitution for more than two centuries. John Locke got it right in his Second Treatise of Civil Government (1690): The separation-of-powers principle means that “the legislative [branch] cannot transfer the power of making laws to any other hands.” The legislative power, wrote Locke, is “to make laws, and not to make legislators.”
Despite that sound advice, the Treasury secretary is now the one calling the shots as he partially nationalizes a significant sector of our economy.
Here’s the link again to Mr. Levy’s article.
2) Supreme Court
President Obama has expressed his desire to see his Supreme Court nominees embrace “empathy” in their decisions and opinions. Nevermind the the oath that a Justice swears to:
I, [NAME], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as [TITLE] under the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God.”
There is no room for empathy when justice is blind and the poor and the rich have equal rights in the sight of the law of the land. While the U.S. Constitution does not provide the oath for a Supreme Court Justice, it does state that others “shall be bound by an oath or affirmation to support this constitution.”
Additionally, if the President keeps his oath of office, he will not require a Justice who uses “empathy” to decide a case, because empathy is unconstitutional and unfit for the U.S. Supreme Court:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
Appointing activist Judges to the Supreme Court is an avenue to interpreting the Constitution as a “living, breathing” document…an avenue for a Judge to insert personal opinion, maybe “empathy,” which is unlawful. The only way for the Constitution to take a breath is through an amendment. There is no other way. Outside of amendments, the Constitution is ageless, and it awaits it’s use as a service to all Americans, but not at the whim of an activist Judge.
Interpreting the Constitution as a “living, breathing document without amendments, renders it practically impotent, because it no longer has the power to protect our rights. Eminent domain is an excellent example.
3) The Czars
The appointment of the many “czars” by the Obama administration are unconstitutional. There’s the Car Czar, The Pay Czar, The Great Lakes Czar, a Cyber Czar, a Drug Czar, an Energy Czar, a Health Reform Czar, an Intelligence Czar, and a Tech Czar. The Czar Czar, of course, is Barack Obama. What is Obama’s Cabinet members doing these days? They’ve all been demoted and they know it and there’s not a thing they can do about it.
Here’s the problem with Czars. They report to no one but Barack Obama. They have far reaching powers and Congress cannot stop a single decision they make. What has happened to our egotistic Congress who has been so willingly hypnotised into giving up their grasp on EVERYTHING? Maybe it’s something in the water. So much for checks and balances. Barack Obama reigns.
Even Senator Robert Byrd, the longest-serving senator in history, hates the idea of Czar appointments. It’s dangerous he says. It gives the president too much power.
In a letter to Obama on Wednesday, Byrd, a Democrat, said that the czar system “can threaten the Constitutional system of checks and balances,” Politico reported. Byrd added that oversight of federal agencies is the responsibility of officials approved by the Senate.
As presidential assistants and advisers, these White House staffers are not accountable for their actions to the Congress, to cabinet officials, or to virtually anyone but the president,” Byrd wrote. “They rarely testify before congressional committees, and often shield the information and decision-making process behind the assertion of executive privilege. In too many instances, White House staff have been allowed to inhibit openness and transparency, and reduce accountability.
The wildly liberal CBS News, at the end of the article on Byrd, says:
These days, however, Byrd’s comments have less force as he is no longer the chairman of the powerful Senate Appropriations Committee.
What does Byrd’s chairmanship or the lack of it have to do with the fact that it is unconstitutional to have presidential appointees making decisions about taxpayer monies without congressional oversight?
4) Government ownership in private business
The seizure of ownership of private business is unconstitutional. The government ownership of GM is unconstitutional. We’ve beat this horse to the ground. No need to say more.
5) Redistribution of Wealth
Engineering the redistribution of wealth in the GM stock debacle is unconstitutional. I’m not sure I have the latest figures, but nevertheless, it’s not good for shareholders who I believe end up with 10 percent of their investment or five cents on the dollar. The government gets 50 percent of the stock, about 87 cents on the dollar. The Unions get 40 percent ownership, plus $10 billion in cash – about 76 cents on the dollar. Doesn’t this make you want to throw-up and then find a quiet spot and grieve for our country?
6) Health Care
Obama’s health care plan is unconstitutional. The first thing that comes to mind is his plan to pay for his health care plan by taxing the wealthy to pay for it. Redistribution of wealth is unconstitutional in America. Then there’s the fact that he plans to put private business out of business to achieve his goal, which is simply power over all of us.
In the fall of 2008, Obama told Tom Brokaw that health care “should be a right for every American.” The Constitution says nothing about guaranteeing health care. BUT, Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. has introduced H.J. Res. 30 which calls for a Constitutional Amendment to establish “the right of citizens of the U.S. to health care of equal high quality.”
7) Interpreting the Constitution as a “living, breathing” document
The only way to make the Constitution take a breath occasionally is to amend it. The Constitution limits government, and to expand government, that expansion must be appropriate under the document,
That’s my six obviously unconstitutional steps taken by President Obama.
We live among idiots, and I guess, we are idiots because if we had the proper sense of outrage, we would sit on the steps of Congress until all of the above are overturned, or Barack Obama is impeached, whichever comes first.
Where are our Defending Fathers in Congress? They should be on the floor railing about these issues every single day, over and over. Are we…are they, really so willing to devalue our prized Constitution.
From Thomas Paine:
A constitution is not the act of a government, but of a people constituting a government, and a government without a constitution is power without right.’ ‘A constitution is a thing antecedent to a government; and a government is only the creature of a constitution.’
Think about that:
“…operating the government without the Constitution “is a power without right.”
I as a “people” didn’t grant that power, neither did you, neither did Congress.
I ask this question: Who will limit the expansion of government? President Obama and the Executive Branch? Speaker Pelosi or Senate Majority Leader Reid? The Supreme Court? For the moment, The Supreme Court is the only chance we have. Once Sonia Sotomayor, an activist judge is confirmed, Ruth Bader Ginsberg will resign and then we have not one branch of government to stop the wild ride to Socialism. By the way, Socialism whether Americans want it or not, and I believe a huge majority do not want it, is unconstitutional. The preamble to the Constitution makes it clear:
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America
(guarantees a republican form of governance)
I know there are other unconstitutional acts to add to this list, including: the budget an earmarks, the stimulus expenditures that do not create jobs, eminent domain, snatching rights designated only to states, and other unlawful federal rights granted that are clearly unconstitutional – such as “special interest” legislation. If you have thoughts about this or other additions, please leave them in comments. I’ll continue updating this list and give you credit, unless you prefer that I not. Help me compile a complete list. While the U.S. Constitution is not a living, breathing document, this post will be.
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I have already pointed out on multiple occasions that most of the shit the federal government is trying to do is unconstitutional, but unfortunatly most don't seem to have any respect for said document.
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I have already pointed out on multiple occasions that most of the shit the federal government is trying to do is unconstitutional, but unfortunatly most don't seem to have any respect for said document.
Just the fact alone that Obama and his fellow communist travelers in the Senate and house are trying to pass an individual mandate to purchase a produc t from a private company under threat of jail is so wrong and outrageous on so many levels.
Like I said early on, I hope this POFS fails miserably.
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How unconstitutional is Barack Obama?
Hey Coach - where did you copy and paste this from?
BTW - didn't Bush do some of these things too?
To be fair shouldn't at least say "how unconstitutional are George Bush and Barack Obama"?
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Hey Coach - where did you copy and paste this from?
BTW - didn't Bush do some of these things too?
To be fair shouldn't at least say "how unconstitutional are George Bush and Barack Obama"?
To equate bush with obama already shows what a complete disaster and disgrace Obama is.
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To equate bush with obama already shows what a complete disaster and disgrace Obama is.
I'm not equating Bush with Obama
I'm only showing the Coach how stupid the premise of his copy of paste job actually is
btw - you can find people on this site saying that Obama is a liberal/commie/marxist/muslim and then the next minute they're saying he's extending the Bush policies/worse than Bush etc...
The current state of the political landscape is pretty simple.
People that didn't like Obama when he was running still don't like him and some have completely just gone bat shit crazy with their hatred
Many people that liked Obama on the campaign trail are now disappointed that he's not been the liberal saviour they hoped he would be (even though he campaigned very much like a centrist)
Many people are just naive at how many compromises have to be made to get to that level and also to actually do that job
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At least bush gave a shit about the people and the country!
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At least bush gave a shit about the people and the country!
I guess it was out of love for his country Bush started an expensive-as-hell war in Iraq?
Look, I don't think Obama has been exactly awesome.
He's been "ok".
Considering the alternatives, he's neither great or bad this far.
His economical team has actually managed to keep the world going into a depression.
He didn't do it the way I think was the optimal way, but he's handled it - "ok".
But the whole argument about "at least bush gave a shit about the people and the country" just doesn't seem valid.
What makes you think so?
Bush enriched his corporate buddies instead of serving his fellow countrymen.
Obama is not much different - and the problem is IMO that everyone thought Obama to be some kind of totally new kind of politician.
Well - he's not. He's no better than most presidents.
Some people just need to face it - he ain't no Messiah.
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1) Bailouts
Your argument seems to be that because it's not stated in the Constitution, it's unconstitutional. It seems to me that since it's not prohibited by the Constitution, there isn't a problem. And the money did come from the Congress. I think we can agree that if there is a lack of congressional oversight, then it's a huge problem.
2) Supreme Court
Agreed. Justices have to be completely impartial.
3) The Czars
Only "high ranking" government officials have to be approved by the Senate and those positions are spelled out by law since the Constitution is so vague. We really have to take a common sense approach to this. The government is so large that it's just not possible for the Senate to approve all appointees. However, the President should be appointing responsible, experienced individuals with good character. Some of his appointments make me cringe.
4) Government ownership in private business
Discussed above.
5) Redistribution of Wealth
Agreed. It's just wrong.
6) Health Care
Struggling with this issue myself and not sure. But, something has to be done to correct the now defunct system.
7) Interpreting the Constitution as a "living, breathing" document
Have no idea what that even means.
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To equate bush with obama already shows what a complete disaster and disgrace Obama is.
That's not the issue here. Is Obama aborting the constitution? NO Is Obama violating the constitution? NO.
So JME/Coach 's assertions fall flat and show just how much "hatred" clouds clear thinking with beliefs like: If you love Obama you hate America. How logically twisted is that? (I might be asking the wrong guy here! ;D)
Time will tell how Obama's presidency plays out. After 1 year, and the mess that was left, who knows? but its too early to tell.
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Again I ask you... where is your righteous indignation of Larry King or Barbara Walters?
You're pissed off at Oprah because she is the natural choice for a presidential interview?
Where was your anger when Barbara Walters got the first interview with the First Family?
Is Barbara Walters a racist self-hating Jew because she interviewed Obama instead of Bernanke?
i dont watch that bitch barbara walters ...as for larry king...he died 5 yrs ago ..just dosen't know it...
You misread me. I'm not angry. Perplexed by your irrational stupidity, but not angry.
so my views are groundless...really...i didn't grow up in America and didn't learn my biases from whites...
i live in a 90% black populated county...
action...reaction..get it....i'm just reacting to what i see around me EVERY single facking day...ie.black people whining...now maybe black people are different where you live...but when drkaje visited me...he pretty much AGREED about my views on black people as they behave around where i live..and last i checked...jake is black
so there
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Toxic Avenger's stock has increased 10 fold in the past few weeks. Initially I thought you were a typical whiny lib, but you have totally changed my perception of you.
Kudos.
look mang..i started off liking this obama character....but NOT changing ones views in the face of contradictory evidence makes me JUST as bad as religious fanatics..
evolution is all about changing ideas in the face of presented evidence..\
<i still think palin is a dumbfuck :-\
Anyone else want to nominate TA as a mod?
me a mod....no thanx mate
1) i'm not unbiased enough
2) i dont have the time
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its called evolving...
you should try it sometimes...
you come to a thread I started and tell me you dont wanna talk to me...LMAO ::)
...you quoted me when i was talking to someone else LOL. I was fucking around with ozmo. Did you get offended because i quoted this bolded part on page 1?
lemme ask you..HAS OPRAH EVER had a X-mas special for ANY prezident before? Why?
is this why you took a shot at me? you moron..i quoted this because i found this tidbit of information funny. Sheesh. you seem like the social awakward type. :-\
eh...whatever not my fault
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...you quoted me when i was talking to someone else LOL. I was fucking around with ozmo. Did you get offended because i quoted this bolded part on page 1?
is this why you took a shot at me? you moron..i quoted this because i found this tidbit of information funny. Sheesh. you seem like the social awakward type. :-\
eh...whatever not my fault
you were what i call collateral damage :-\
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when Bush ws prez i saw white people with " i LOVE AMERICA" stickers on their cars
now that Obammer is prez i see a lot of blacks with " i LOVE OBAMA" stickers on their cars
i find that there is something REALLY wrong with this......
Dude, i see more white people with I love Obama where I'm at...and many have NPR stickers as well. I haven't seen too many black folk with I love Obama
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i dont watch that bitch barbara walters ...as for larry king...he died 5 yrs ago ..just dosen't know it...
so my views are groundless...really...i didn't grow up in America and didn't learn my biases from whites...
i live in a 90% black populated county...
action...reaction..get it....i'm just reacting to what i see around me EVERY single facking day...ie.black people whining...now maybe black people are different where you live...but when drkaje visited me...he pretty much AGREED about my views on black people as they behave around where i live..and last i checked...jake is black
so there
well let me the first to enlighten you. At the risk of being accused of ... whatever... let me assure you that black people in DC are NOT necessarily representative of ALL Black people. In 1991, my sister went down to Baltimore MD to attend an event. she was instantly pegged as an out-of-towner and stuck out like a sore thumb. It was QUITE THE CULTURE SHOCK for her. DC is no different. I would suggest part of your issue is that you are associating with, and observing the wrong people. Maybe you should mingle in better neighbourhoods, with better classes of people. :-\
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That's not the issue here. Is Obama aborting the constitution? NO Is Obama violating the constitution? NO.
So JME/Coach 's assertions fall flat and show just how much "hatred" clouds clear thinking with beliefs like: If you love Obama you hate America. How logically twisted is that? (I might be asking the wrong guy here! ;D)
Time will tell how Obama's presidency plays out. After 1 year, and the mess that was left, who knows? but its too early to tell.
Ozmo - you are seriously blind.
Obama is in every aspect the worst of bush and worse. And yes he is tearing the constutition to shreds. What do you call mandating people purchase a private product from a private company by force of law or jail for the sole reason that your heart is beating?
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What do you call mandating people purchase a private product from a private company by force of law or jail for the sole reason that your heart is beating?
A huge flip flop. I call it a Hilary Clinton health care platform policy, one which Obama rejected during the primaries.
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A huge flip flop. I call it a Hilary Clinton health care platform policy, one which Obama rejected during the primaries.
Its awful and is basically giving the huge green light for even worse abuses by the inasurance companies.
We are now enslaved to them by force of law and jail.
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i live in PG country maryland. one of the most black populated counties in the US
i see "i love obama" tee shirts and stickers almost on a daily basis
dont believe me....just visit...i'll buy you your own obama tee shirt...he's revered like jesus here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_George's_County,_Maryland#Demographics
I was in PG about a month ago. I didnt see that either. I also live in Atlanta...still havent seen that. Right now i live in LA...and still havent see that...You my friend are full of shit
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Kinda boils down to if you love Obama you hate America. Obama and the libs have aborted the Consitution in every way.
Shut the fuck up...My brother is a Marine force recon who has been in Bosnia, east africa iraq and afg...He has put his life on the line many times for this country and he supports obama..Dont say no shit like that you fuckin peice of shit. You have no idea what the fuck youre talking about. Fuckin ass hole
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Shut the fuck up...My brother is a Marine force recon who has been in Bosnia, east africa iraq and afg...He has put his life on the line many times for this country and he supports obama..Dont say no shit like that you fuckin peice of shit. You have no idea what the fuck youre talking about. Fuckin ass hole
Lets put the nonsense aside Mal.
This POFS-in-Chief is proomoting a horrific agenda that makes GWB look like George Washington.
There is not one single policy this asswipe is pushing that you can defend, not one.
Cap & Trade - Disaster.
Amnesty for illegals - Disaster.
Health Care - absolute abomination.
Wall Street - Disgraceful
CZARS - Freaks, Geeks, Communists, and Maoists
Spending - more than any president ever in the same time period.
Wars - No end in sight.
Tell me Mal - what policy do you support and why?
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Dude, i see more white people with I love Obama where I'm at...and many have NPR stickers as well. I haven't seen too many black folk with I love Obama
dosen't make it any more right when white people make like 3rd world hugu chavez worshipping idiots either...
its just sooooooo much more fun to call black people on it cause its like "instant pannies in a bunch" ;D
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well let me the first to enlighten you. At the risk of being accused of ... whatever... let me assure you that black people in DC are NOT necessarily representative of ALL Black people. In 1991, my sister went down to Baltimore MD to attend an event. she was instantly pegged as an out-of-towner and stuck out like a sore thumb. It was QUITE THE CULTURE SHOCK for her. DC is no different. I would suggest part of your issue is that you are associating with, and observing the wrong people. Maybe you should mingle in better neighbourhoods, with better classes of people. :-\
i agree with you here....but sorry PG county and most of DC is full of EXACTLY the kinda blacks that make the rest of black America look bad...and thats what i see ALL around me and have since 1992
normal blacks here are a minority...(PS when i talk black i mean american black..100% of Africans dont act like "chip on my shoulder" American blacks)
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I was in PG about a month ago. I didnt see that either. I also live in Atlanta...still havent seen that. Right now i live in LA...and still havent see that...You my friend are full of shit
i've lived in PG since 1992......
i've seen plenty...
unfurl yer pannies asap
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i've lived in PG since 1992......uh so.....what does that have to do with the obama stuff..shut up
i've seen plenty...
unfurl yer pannies asap
yeah bro..youre just lying and have some kind of hatred for blacks so youre makin shit up..
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yeah bro..youre just lying and have some kind of hatred for blacks so youre makin shit up..
now i hate blacks...i wasn't born in America nor am i white...
my friggin boss is african....one of the smartest and hardest working people i know...
how come everytime someone voices an opinion about American blacks they r racist suddenly...i could say stuff about asians...i could say stuff about my brown people for being (to a point) apologizing fucktards for the terrorists but gawd forbid anyone criticize american blacks....no we gotta tippy toe around yalls feelings :-\
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TA
I echo your sentiments 10 fold. I can't tell you how many Africans and Carrbibean blacks I have met in my life that absolutely detest blacks from America.
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TA
I echo your sentiments 10 fold. I can't tell you how many Africans and Carrbibean blacks I have met in my life that absolutely detest blacks from America.
because Africans and jamican people act and behave like normal people thar just happen to have black pigment to their skin....
they dont have and force their own brand of black culture down our throats
in anycase....black...brown ...whateva....Merry X-mas everyone! :) no time to be bickering today