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i have done many cuts over the years following the macro rules, eating every 3 hours, not eating many carbs,
no carbs before bed, blah blah blah
everytime around 10-25% of the weight was muscle loss
FINALLY wave and adonis got to me
my recent cut has been eating when i want(about 4 times a day)....i go 5 hours without a meal at times
i just count calories, and protein, no carb or fat counting....i get just under 1gm protein per lb of bodyweight
most of my carbs come from sugar(preserves, orange juice, honey, fruit)...i also eat brown rice, potatoes, veggies
whole eggs only...not this bullshit egg white trend that is fucking ridiculous
i am losing exactly 1 lb a week and in 4 weeks have not lost a single ounce of muscle(i measure bodyfat each week)
i drink orange juice right before bed(no carbs before bed is bullshit)
IT IS ALL ABOUT CALORIES, DON'T MAKE SHIT SO COMPLICATED
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it just gets real difficult getting absolutely shredded like that... I mean low low single digits bf%....
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it just gets real difficult getting absolutely shredded like that... I mean low low single digits bf%....
wave and TA have both done it....i will be the next shredded twink soon
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It's just a question of how small in clothes you're willing to get.
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It's just a question of how small in clothes you're willing to get.
if you mean tight in the shoulders, pec, back, thighs, and loose in the waist
then yeah, you're right
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if you mean tight in the shoulders, pec, back, thighs, and loose in the waist
then yeah, you're right
well don't start blowing yourself just yet....you haven't done shit, twink
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i have done many cuts over the years following the macro rules, eating every 3 hours, not eating many carbs,
no carbs before bed, blah blah blah
everytime around 10-25% of the weight was muscle loss
FINALLY wave and adonis got to me
my recent cut has been eating when i want(about 4 times a day)....i go 5 hours without a meal at times
i just count calories, and protein, no carb or fat counting....i get just under 1gm protein per lb of bodyweight
most of my carbs come from sugar(preserves, orange juice, honey, fruit)...i also eat brown rice, potatoes, veggies
whole eggs only...not this bullshit egg white trend that is fucking ridiculous
i am losing exactly 1 lb a week and in 4 weeks have not lost a single ounce of muscle(i measure bodyfat each week)
i drink orange juice right before bed(no carbs before bed is bullshit)
IT IS ALL ABOUT CALORIES, DON'T MAKE SHIT SO COMPLICATED
How about pictures (before-after ) of you're succes.
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if you mean tight in the shoulders, pec, back, thighs, and loose in the waist
then yeah, you're right
We shall see.
And stop down-a-size dressing, especially the pants. :-X
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i have done many cuts over the years following the macro rules, eating every 3 hours, not eating many carbs,
no carbs before bed, blah blah blah
everytime around 10-25% of the weight was muscle loss
FINALLY wave and adonis got to me
my recent cut has been eating when i want(about 4 times a day)....i go 5 hours without a meal at times
i just count calories, and protein, no carb or fat counting....i get just under 1gm protein per lb of bodyweight
most of my carbs come from sugar(preserves, orange juice, honey, fruit)...i also eat brown rice, potatoes, veggies
whole eggs only...not this bullshit egg white trend that is fucking ridiculous
i am losing exactly 1 lb a week and in 4 weeks have not lost a single ounce of muscle(i measure bodyfat each week)
i drink orange juice right before bed(no carbs before bed is bullshit)
IT IS ALL ABOUT CALORIES, DON'T MAKE SHIT SO COMPLICATEDu
Wave and Adonis also say that there is no practical / significant difference to eating "clean" food (like rice, potatoes and meat) and eating junk like burgers or pizza, as long as you get your minimum protein requirement and don't go over the caloric limit with the latter.
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well don't start blowing yourself just yet....you haven't done shit, twink
Disagree. If you have the ability to blow yourself, you shouldn't wait for anything.
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well don't start blowing yourself just yet....you haven't done shit, twink
easy there juicy mcjuiceagains....your drug induced body does not apply
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easy there juicy mcjuiceagains....your drug induced body does not apply
Post some pictures
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Wave and Adonis also say that there is no practical / significant difference to eating "clean" food (like rice, potatoes and meat) and eating junk like burgers or pizza, as long as you get your minimum protein requirement and don't go over the caloric limit with the latter.
i know...but i am just so used to eating that way that i still do....and every weekend i take one night and eat
whatever i want and drink alcohol...last weekend was Dominos pizza and Evan Williams
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How about pictures (before-after ) of you're succes.
give me about 10-12 more weeks....1lb a week is slow coming....hold me to it, the pics will come
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i have done many cuts over the years following the macro rules, eating every 3 hours, not eating many carbs,
no carbs before bed, blah blah blah
everytime around 10-25% of the weight was muscle loss
FINALLY wave and adonis got to me
my recent cut has been eating when i want(about 4 times a day)....i go 5 hours without a meal at times
i just count calories, and protein, no carb or fat counting....i get just under 1gm protein per lb of bodyweight
most of my carbs come from sugar(preserves, orange juice, honey, fruit)...i also eat brown rice, potatoes, veggies
whole eggs only...not this bullshit egg white trend that is fucking ridiculous
i am losing exactly 1 lb a week and in 4 weeks have not lost a single ounce of muscle(i measure bodyfat each week)
i drink orange juice right before bed(no carbs before bed is bullshit)
IT IS ALL ABOUT CALORIES, DON'T MAKE SHIT SO COMPLICATED
APPROVED!
Anything you ever need just PM me. You are well on your way.
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it just gets real difficult getting absolutely shredded like that... I mean low low single digits bf%....
No it doesn`t. Easy as blueberry pie.
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easy there juicy mcjuiceagains....your drug induced body does not apply
Sorry your genetics blow...don't be mad at me, take it up with your parents
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Anything you ever need just PM me. You are well on your way.
thanks TA...you have inspired me
i love the haters, they fuel my workouts
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i know...but i am just so used to eating that way that i still do....and every weekend i take one night and eat whatever i want and drink alcohol...last weekend was Dominos pizza and Evan Williams
Lol, fit for a king.
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Wave and Adonis also say that there is no practical / significant difference to eating "clean" food (like rice, potatoes and meat) and eating junk like burgers or pizza, as long as you get your minimum protein requirement and don't go over the caloric limit with the latter.
No such thing as eating "clean". Foods are not dirty or clean.
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Sorry your genetics blow...don't be mad at me, take it up with your parents
my genetics are outstanding...i am english, irish, german
don't even try opening your pimpled mouth on this subject, you would not understand how
to do work without "help"
go play with your bitch tits in the mirror, and remember once you go off your cycle, you
are just another twink but without the work ethic
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wow, big news, eating only proteins and very few carbs and fats while exercizing makes you muscular and lean :o
::)
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Foods are not dirty or clean.
Not literally, but there is a huge nutritional difference between a burger you make at home with fresh tomatoes, onion and beef patties, and another made using 6 month old canned tomatoes, instant beef patties and onion flavoring.
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my genetics are outstanding...i am english, irish, german
don't even try opening your pimpled mouth on this subject, you would not understand how
to do work without "help"
go play with your bitch tits in the mirror, and remember once you go off your cycle, you
are just another twink but without the work ethic
Post a pic stud, lets see these "outstanding" genetics.
I've been lifting weights longer than you have been alive. My work ethic, coupled with very favorable genetics, is what is responsible for my physique.
But thank you for admitting you could never approach what i have done naturally without the gas. it's beyond your scope of comprehension because you were born small and weak
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wow, big news, eating only proteins and very few carbs and fats while exercizing makes you muscular and lean :o
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Seconded
dieting.......what a concept
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Not literally, but there is a huge nutritional difference between a burger you make at home with fresh tomatoes, onion and beef patties, and another made using 6 month old canned tomatoes, instant beef patties and onion flavoring.
That depends though on too many variables and the recipe. If you were using San Marzano Tomatoes on an Italian Beef and Sausage burger, than you would HAVE to use canned as San Marzano straight from the vine are not very tasty at all. Any great italian restaurant which always uses San Marzanos will ALWAYS used canned as the flavor is better and more concentrated.
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No such thing as eating "clean". Foods are not dirty or clean.
What if i drop them on the floor. Are they still neutral?
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That depends though on too many variables and the recipe. If you were using San Marzano Tomatoes on an Italian Beef and Sausage burger, than you would HAVE to use canned as San Marzano straight from the vine are not very tasty at all. Any great italian restaurant which always uses San Marzanos will ALWAYS used canned as the flavor is better and more concentrated.
I'm sure that is very true, TA. And I have nothing against junk / fast food or canned food - I literally live on that stuff myself ;D
Just saying that eating a fresh tomato isn't the same as eating 3 month old canned tomato. Maybe it doesn't matter much when you're eating around 3000 - 4000 calories everyday, but I think a middle-of-the-road approach to dieting, where you eat "clean" most of the time and some fast food a few times a week is better than extremes, like eating only chicken and rice for every meal or eating exclusively at McDonalds.
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Then pretty soon he too can be 6'0 152lbs with 14" arms......think about it!
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What if i drop them on the floor. Are they still neutral?
Invoke the 5 Minute rule!
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I'm sure that is very true, TA. And I have nothing against junk / fast food or canned food - I literally live on that stuff myself ;D
Just saying that eating a fresh tomato isn't the same as eating 3 month old canned tomato. Maybe it doesn't matter much when you're eating around 3000 - 4000 calories everyday, but I think a middle-of-the-road approach to dieting, where you eat "clean" most of the time and some fast food a few times a week is better than extremes, like eating only chicken and rice for every meal or eating exclusively at McDonalds.
Well a Fresh tomato from a crappy plant or an inept gardener is not gonna be any good. :)
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give me about 10-12 more weeks....1lb a week is slow coming....hold me to it, the pics will come
post now stupid why wait there is no way to gage what progress you have made.
before now pics ----after 12 weeks later .....
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Invoke the 5 Minute rule!
That's very generous. Where I'm from, we give it no more than 5 seconds.
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Gary approved!!
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That's very generous. Where I'm from, we give it no more than 5 seconds.
I don`t even get 10 seconds as either Greyound will do their very best to swoop it up and then wolf it down before I can even react.
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Adonis and Wave (and ill assume u) don't actually carry that much muscle, which isn't to say they aren't muscular, but cutting from 185 to 165 and holding muscle is significantly easier for holding muscle than cutting from 260 down to 225, as your muscle isn't in excess so u don't really havw much to lose. So your expiremint isn nearly as impressive as you'd like it to be.
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Adonis and Wave (and ill assume u) don't actually carry that much muscle, which isn't to say they aren't muscular, but cutting from 185 to 165 and holding muscle is significantly easier for holding muscle than cutting from 260 down to 225, as your muscle isn't in excess so u don't really havw much to lose. So your expiremint isn nearly as impressive as you'd like it to be.
I have never seen a lifetime natural under 6 feet go from 260 to 225 shredded though. They make it easier (resp. possible) using other methods.
And yes, I approve as well. ;D
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Gary approved!!
Ha! I remember when Mitsubishis came to Britain, it was around the time of my 18th Bday. :D
Good times.
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lets face it tho.
You cant eat much junk food because they contain so many more calories in them compared to healthy food
1 Cake, 400-500 calories...doesnt last 10 seconds
15 Salt and Vinegar ricecakes, 400 calories...can last the whole day
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I have never seen a lifetime natural under 6 feet go from 260 to 225 shredded though. They make it easier (resp. possible) using other methods.
And yes, I approve as well. ;D
That may b true, I don't really care about lifetime natural or not, I care about impressive physiques. IMO its pretty sad for a 180lb guy to invest so much time, thought, planning, and effort into 'holding onto muscle' on his way down to 165lbs. There's minimal muscle there to begin with.
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lets face it tho.
You cant eat much junk food because they contain so many more calories in them compared to healthy food
1 Cake, 400-500 calories...doesnt last 10 seconds
15 Salt and Vinegar ricecakes, 400 calories...can last the whole day
Yeah but the only reason why ricecakes last a whole day is because they taste horrible. ;D
I'd rather eat what I like for 10 seconds. But whatever is most convenient.
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That may b true, I don't really care about lifetime natural or not, I care about impressive physiques. IMO its pretty sad for a 180lb guy to invest so much time, thought, planning, and effort into 'holding onto muscle' on his way down to 165lbs. There's minimal muscle there to begin with.
That's a different topic though.
On topic: I don't think that the nutrition details mentioned in this thread (like "clean" and "junk" food, meal frequency, etc.) contribute to a juicer's physique anymore than to that of a non-juicer. Probably even less so.
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Yeah but the only reason why ricecakes last a whole day is because they taste horrible. ;D
I'd rather eat what I like for 10 seconds. But whatever is most convenient.
not at all, they taste great and are completely low calorie.
I could eat 4 doughnuts in 10 minutes, but that would be a whole day's worth of calories right there....then all of a sudden im hungry 6 hours later and im not allowed to eat.
This is where the diet fails in my opinion....bad food contain far too many calories so therefore you can barely eat anything
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i have done many cuts over the years following the macro rules, eating every 3 hours, not eating many carbs,
no carbs before bed, blah blah blah
everytime around 10-25% of the weight was muscle loss
FINALLY wave and adonis got to me
my recent cut has been eating when i want(about 4 times a day)....i go 5 hours without a meal at times
i just count calories, and protein, no carb or fat counting....i get just under 1gm protein per lb of bodyweight
most of my carbs come from sugar(preserves, orange juice, honey, fruit)...i also eat brown rice, potatoes, veggies
whole eggs only...not this bullshit egg white trend that is fucking ridiculous
i am losing exactly 1 lb a week and in 4 weeks have not lost a single ounce of muscle(i measure bodyfat each week)
i drink orange juice right before bed(no carbs before bed is bullshit)
IT IS ALL ABOUT CALORIES, DON'T MAKE SHIT SO COMPLICATED
I'm losing 1 to 2 pounds a week. Looking better than I ever have, this is the way to go IMO!
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That's a different topic though.
On topic: I don't think that the nutrition details mentioned in this thread (like "clean" and "junk" food, meal frequency, etc.) contribute to a juicer's physique anymore than to that of a non-juicer. Probably even less so.
You're right, never seen a gb thread go off topic...
They matter much much more when it comes to cutting, muscle is in excess and it is work to hold onto it, u don't really believe that juice is magic that allows you to simply grow and hold muscle with no regard for other factors? Nutrition doesn't even factor in at 185lbs, look how many high school football players way 190 just from working out and eating shit.
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You're right, never seen a gb thread go off topic...
They matter much much more when it comes to cutting, muscle is in excess and it is work to hold onto it, u don't really believe that juice is magic that allows you to simply grow and hold muscle with no regard for other factors? Nutrition doesn't even factor in at 185lbs, look how many high school football players way 190 just from working out and eating shit.
Of course nutrition factors in, regardless of weight.
You need protein and intense weight training to hold on to your muscle mass.
Bodybuilders (juicers or not) use very different diet methods. Some use more frequent meals, some less. Some follow a high carb diet, some a low carb or keto diet. Some try different, apparently opposing methods one after the other and have great success either way. A very small set of basic rules remains the same for all those successful methods.
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wavelength,
if a client is increasing their caloric intake to go from "diet phase" to "maintainence", how much should they increase a week (maximally) ?
of course, slow and steady would be the course of action to insure a smooth transition
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Exactly. I do try to eat "healthier", opting for foods that aren't absolutely loaded with the wrong fats or just completely disproportionate (it's gotta have SOME protein) and I've been losing a ton of fat as well. It's much easier to live happier and eat what you'd like. If you stop stressing over your diet, that alone is going to let your body lose fat while retaining or gaining muscle.
I don't go too nuts, but I'll eat pizza, burgers, chips, ice cream, anything I want. I try to keep my insulin sensitivity optimal and when I do, it makes a huge difference. Put away the dry, baked chicken breasts, egg whites and god awful brown rice.
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not at all, they taste great and are completely low calorie.
I could eat 4 doughnuts in 10 minutes, but that would be a whole day's worth of calories right there....then all of a sudden im hungry 6 hours later and im not allowed to eat.
This is where the diet fails in my opinion....bad food contain far too many calories so therefore you can barely eat anything
Uh Krispy Kreme Doughnuts are around 250 calories a piece. They smaller ones as well. So you only eat 1000 calories a day? Thats not much at all.
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You're right, never seen a gb thread go off topic...
They matter much much more when it comes to cutting, muscle is in excess and it is work to hold onto it, u don't really believe that juice is magic that allows you to simply grow and hold muscle with no regard for other factors? Nutrition doesn't even factor in at 185lbs, look how many high school football players way 190 just from working out and eating shit.
I don`t know a single High School football player that weighs 190 lbs ripped and could win a Natural Pro Card.
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wavelength,
if a client is increasing their caloric intake to go from "diet phase" to "maintainence", how much should they increase a week (maximally) ?
of course, slow and steady would be the course of action to insure a smooth transition
I`d personally recommend not varying the two very much at all.
For instance, 2500 calories or so in a dieting phase, 2700-2800 in a maintenance phase and 3000-3200 in a gaining phase.
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I`d personally recommend not varying the two very much at all.
For instance, 2500 calories or so in a dieting phase, 2700-2800 in a maintenance phase and 3000-3200 in a gaining phase.
that would always be the ideal way to diet however, say this person dropped 500 calories below maintenance.
I, personally, think that going up 500 calories in one week would be a bit much (even though those 500 calories would bring them back to "Maintainance")
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that would always be the ideal way to diet however, say this person dropped 500 calories below maintenance.
I, personally, think that going up 500 calories in one week would be a bit much (even though those 500 calories would bring them back to "Maintainance")
Oh in that particular case it won`t matter whatsoever. Have them go up 500 in a week. Nothing will change really.
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I agree with TA, unless fulking (fat bulking) is attempted. Regarding how fast you raise your cals, if you already know the amount you need to take for bulking, IMO you can go right to it. I would usually raise slowly just because the amount could be different from what you think it should be. Adjust via feedback from rate of weight change resp. noticable strength vs. bodyfat gains.
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awesome replies from TA and wavelength
i think (from the info above and my knowledge) slow and steady combined with feeling your body is the best determinate for how much to increase in a week
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Of course nutrition factors in, regardless of weight.
You need protein and intense weight training to hold on to your muscle mass.
Bodybuilders (juicers or not) use very different diet methods. Some use more frequent meals, some less. Some follow a high carb diet, some a low carb or keto diet. Some try different, apparently opposing methods one after the other and have great success either way. A very small set of basic rules remains the same for all those successful methods.
Arent you the one who says you can eat anything on the diet and doesnt the above statement enforce that? Yet now you say it does matter??
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I don`t know a single High School football player that weighs 190 lbs ripped and could win a Natural Pro Card.
I dont know a single natural that wins a natural procard. ;)
But seriously none of the people discussing these diets are doing it for show prep, theyre dieting to go from 185 to 160, and are no more muscular than a high school football player. Why bother bulking and dieting at that point anyway, just eat normal and they look the same either way.
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Arent you the one who says you can eat anything on the diet and doesnt the above statement enforce that? Yet now you say it does matter??
There is a set of simple rules you must follow, I never denied that.
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..i get just under 1gm protein per lb of bodyweight
i am losing exactly 1 lb a week and in 4 weeks have not lost a single ounce of muscle(i measure bodyfat each week)
good thing because from the sounds of your post you dont have that much muscle to lose.
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There is a set of simple rules you must follow, I never denied that.
as a fitness professional, I can attest to validity of wavelength's and TA's nutritional advice
keep it simple and a calorie is a calorie (no matter what it's macronutrient profile is)
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I dont know a single natural that wins a natural procard. ;)
But seriously none of the people discussing these diets are doing it for show prep, theyre dieting to go from 185 to 160, and are no more muscular than a high school football player. Why bother bulking and dieting at that point anyway, just eat normal and they look the same either way.
QFT.
this diet is for twinks who have no more mass than a figure competitor.
talking about 'retaining muscle' and LBM...ahahahahahaha...gi mme a break.
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I dont know a single natural that wins a natural procard. ;)
But seriously none of the people discussing these diets are doing it for show prep, theyre dieting to go from 185 to 160, and are no more muscular than a high school football player. Why bother bulking and dieting at that point anyway, just eat normal and they look the same either way.
Can you please find me a High School Football Player that is around 5`10 175 lbs like this guy? Thanks.
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2008/02/02/40598/profilepic/1121612orig.jpg)
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QFT.
this diet is for twinks who have no more mass than a figure competitor.
talking about 'retaining muscle' and LBM...ahahahahahaha...gi mme a break.
Every bodybuilder follows this diet. Different bodybuilders just apply different sets of additional rules.
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Can you please find me a High School Football Player that is around 5`10 175 lbs like this guy? Thanks.
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2008/02/02/40598/profilepic/1121612orig.jpg)
I've read up on this guy..."wolf" something right? He's an amazing natural.
Another guy to read up on-----"Mountain Man" formerly of bodyspace, now has his own forum.
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QFT.
this diet is for twinks who have no more mass than a figure competitor.
talking about 'retaining muscle' and LBM...ahahahahahaha...gi mme a break.
why the hate for a aesthetic, statuesque physique?
(http://www.nd.edu/~jmiglior/italy00/V38.jpg)
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why the hate for a aesthetic, statuesque physique?
no hate.
i just find it oddly amusing that all these sub 5'9, 160 pound mountains of muscle are so quick to dispense dietary advice, to bodybuilders nonetheless.
btw, if you truly think a calorie is a calorie you are sadly mistaken. edit: unless you enjoy walking around being roughly the size of the girls in the spin class at my gym.
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why the hate for a aesthetic, statuesque physique?
(http://www.nd.edu/~jmiglior/italy00/V38.jpg)
I have at least an inch on that guy... ;D
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why the hate for a aesthetic, statuesque physique?
(http://www.nd.edu/~jmiglior/italy00/V38.jpg)
You need to tell that guy how to properly tie off, bro.
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You need to tell that guy how to properly tie off, bro.
hahahahahhahahahahhaahah ahhahhahahahhahahahahhah a
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I`d personally recommend not varying the two very much at all.
For instance, 2500 calories or so in a dieting phase, 2700-2800 in a maintenance phase and 3000-3200 in a gaining phase.
How do you factor in wine when eating Adam? I was going to experiment on the girlfriend with eating like this as she doesnt like to eat "clean".
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i have now had people say
"they have been lifting longer than i am alive"
and
"by the sound of your post, you do not carry much muscle"
i have never listed my height, weight, age, or bf%
hilarious
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How do you factor in wine when eating Adam? I was going to experiment on the girlfriend with eating like this as she doesnt like to eat "clean".
Simple. Just add and count the calories with the rest of the food.
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Simple. Just add and count the calories with the rest of the food.
yes! just drank a couple of glasses of fine red wine.
and here's a good article on alcohol:
http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sex_news_sports_funny/a_muscleheads_guide_to_alcohol_1
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Can you please find me a High School Football Player that is around 5`10 175 lbs like this guy? Thanks.
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2008/02/02/40598/profilepic/1121612orig.jpg)
that guy is a "natural" (haha) BBer in his 30's that has been lifting weights for a lifetime, and a very good one at that. Pretty unfair to compare him to a high school senior.
The point being made is that you guys act as if you are 200lb ripped BBer's that carry so much muscle, and that your methods are truly revolutionary.
You guys are in the 160-180 range at 5'10-11". of COURSE you are fucking lean after 3 months of dieting. i would hope so. YOU ARE SKINNY
Congratulations on having the willpower to stick with a caloric deficit long enough to get lean. do it at 200 or above lbs and then you will have me curious
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that guy is a "natural" (haha) BBer in his 30's that has been lifting weights for a lifetime, and a very good one at that. Pretty unfair to compare him to a high school senior.
The point being made is that you guys act as if you are 200lb ripped BBer's that carry so much muscle, and that your methods are truly revolutionary.
You guys are in the 160-180 range at 5'10-11". of COURSE you are fucking lean after 3 months of dieting. i would hope so. YOU ARE SKINNY
Congratulations on having the willpower to stick with a caloric deficit long enough to get lean. do it at 200 or above lbs and then you will have me curious
Noone claimed revolutionary methods. Many factors contribute to absolute weight. Doesn't change anything.
Here is what top nutritionist Alan Aragon has to say about the topic:
Did you eat at a caloric deficit? Yes. Did your protein intake and training regimen support LBM retention or at least minimize LBM loss? Yes...... I honestly don't see what's so fcking difficult for naysayers to understand about that.
At my absolute leanest, I ate a pint of hagen daaz every single night right before bed. I also did not have a car at the time, so I biked to school & work. I was running a caloric deficit, so I got lean. The people who give you sh!t are the same brotards who will spend $$$$ on completely useless supps, so we can laugh at them together.
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that guy is a "natural" (haha) BBer in his 30's that has been lifting weights for a lifetime, and a very good one at that. Pretty unfair to compare him to a high school senior.
The point being made is that you guys act as if you are 200lb ripped BBer's that carry so much muscle, and that your methods are truly revolutionary.
You guys are in the 160-180 range at 5'10-11". of COURSE you are fucking lean after 3 months of dieting. i would hope so. YOU ARE SKINNY
Congratulations on having the willpower to stick with a caloric deficit long enough to get lean. do it at 200 or above lbs and then you will have me curious
Groink,
I like you but you have never seen your abs. Why not try to find them this year?
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Can you please find me a High School Football Player that is around 5`10 175 lbs like this guy? Thanks.
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2008/02/02/40598/profilepic/1121612orig.jpg)
What I said was 'carries as much muscle' as a h.s. football player, and yes I know a few that carry that much. You have presented a guy with good lines and who is aesthetically pleasing however the amount of muscle he carries is not anything astounding.
The point Im trying to make is actually rather concurrent with the things you say Adonis, which is that people put waaay too much though into nutrition considering they are within the ranges of 160-190lbs, when they could simply eat normally and look exactly the same. Being 'natural' and at that weight, the results mostly come from the actual work out, not the diet. Diet tricks/manipulations shouldnt really be necessary for the recreational 'bodybuilder' who weighs 180lbs.
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Simple. Just add and count the calories with the rest of the food.
What would you start calories at for women?
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What I said was 'carries as much muscle' as a h.s. football player, and yes I know a few that carry that much. You have presented a guy with good lines and who is aesthetically pleasing however the amount of muscle he carries is not anything astounding.
The point Im trying to make is actually rather concurrent with the things you say Adonis, which is that people put waaay too much though into nutrition considering they are within the ranges of 160-190lbs, when they could simply eat normally and look exactly the same. Being 'natural' and at that weight, the results mostly come from the actual work out, not the diet. Diet tricks/manipulations shouldnt really be necessary for the recreational 'bodybuilder' who weighs 180lbs.
Ripped at 160-190 and Natural is hardly average.
I got an idea, how about you post your picture.
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What would you start calories at for women?
Depends on how active and her size.
Jezebelle eats around 2000 at 5`11 130.
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Wavelenght, be honest how much did you weight in your avatar pic ?
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Ripped at 160-190 and Natural is hardly average.
I got an idea, how about you post your picture.
U cant be serious, u must not know any black people. And my pics have been posted numerous times, and a few guys know me, Im pretty sure youve seen my pics as well. It wont really factor in anyway, Im not natural, couldnt really pass for natural.
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Lots of angry PED users and fatties in this thread. :-X
TA and Wavelength aren't making outlandish statements. Just don't eat so much and you won't be a fucking fatty. There's no special ratio of vomit inducing dry chicken breasts to broccoli to produce epic leans.
I just eat a few manly meals, eye out my protein, vary my carbs depending on how I look and feel and eat a lower amount of fat so I can "cheat" without feeling guilty. I still suck back protein shakes too because honestly the protein powders out there taste phenomenal (Gaspari Myofusion and Xtreme Formulations Ultra Peptide taste like milkshakes!!). I like healthier dishes too so even if I went an entire day eating "bad" food it'd make no difference. I'd probably just have veins sticking out everywhere and have to take a couple extra shits. Don't be the type of loser who turns down their dying grandmother's family feast because they're dieting. Chances are that you probably have too much fat to see your abs anyway, so don't worry about it.
Unless you're dieting down for a comp and you're a couple months out, toss everything you read in the magazines out the window, wipe off that vagina and pick up a BURGER. It's as simple as watching your calories and knowing how to use drugs properly - nothing special.
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Groink,
I like you but you have never seen your abs. Why not try to find them this year?
I like you to Adonis......as to the question,
Not a priority. I have a flat stomach and have no hesitation in taking my shirt off at a pool or at the beach. I look like a BBer that needs to cut a bit.
I prefer being a solid, very powerful looking person over a thin, defined one.
it's a matter of choice. i could be lean as hell, it's dietary discipline is all.
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Here ya go. Lache Seastrunk, 5'10 175 senior at Temple H.S. Texas. Plays football and runs track.
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Adonis you were lean not shredded .
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5`9 186-190 the white guy is.
Me thinks your "Black HighSchooler" is a skinny twink who does not even come close to being 180 lbs ripped at 5`9 or 5`10
(http://www.dougmillerpro.com/images/yvonnetaylor_photoshoot/IMG_0246.jpg)
(http://www.tdtnews.com/img-small/images/photos/580.jpg)
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I like you to Adonis......as to the question,
Not a priority. I have a flat stomach and have no hesitation in taking my shirt off at a pool or at the beach. I look like a BBer that needs to cut a bit.
I prefer being a solid, very powerful looking person over a thin, defined one.
it's a matter of choice. i could be lean as hell, it's dietary discipline is all.
All this back and forth reminds me of 4 years ago, around the 1st Mr Getbig, when the SQUAD was battling it out with Adonis, Heckler and Buttsuck over this same argument about permabulking vs being skinny but ripped ;D
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5`9 186-190 the white guy is.
Me thinks your "Black HighSchooler" is a skinny twink who does not even come close to being 180 lbs ripped at 5`9 or 5`10
(http://www.dougmillerpro.com/images/yvonnetaylor_photoshoot/IMG_0246.jpg)
(http://www.tdtnews.com/img-small/images/photos/580.jpg)
First, hes 5'10 175..so is he not ripped or is 175 not close to 180? Because u said he doesnt come close so Im trying to determine where he falls short.
Second, you are the only one bringing 'natural' competitive bb'ers into the conversation. Im comparing the high school kid to the recreational bbers who are 185 trying to cut to 160 and dissecting diets like it matters.......
ie OP, Wavelength, and you, and yes he's comparable.
Third Doug Miller isnt natural, so that doesnt help your argument.
Whats weird about all this is that Im the one saying to just eat normal and you seem to be arguing?
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All this back and forth reminds me of 4 years ago, around the 1st Mr Getbig, when the SQUAD was battling it out with Adonis, Heckler and Buttsuck over this same argument about permabulking vs being skinny but ripped ;D
True Kiwi, but i think that there is a bit more civility these days.
I can respect Adonis for moulding his body into what he wants it to be, it's just not what i'm going for.
I could stand to lose a few lbs. for sure, but "fat" i'm not. I'll take it at 44 years old and natural.
I'd post a shirtless pic but unless I'm Dorian Yates I'll never hear the end of it. even though i freely admit that I'm not very lean.
Did it to myself i guess....that's what you get for being an incorrigible asshole for 7 years ;D ;D
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funny to see how heavy some of these 'natural' 'fairly lean' 270 lb guys will end up dieted down.
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True Kiwi, but i think that there is a bit more civility these days.
I can respect Adonis for moulding his body into what he wants it to be, it's just not what i'm going for.
I could stand to lose a few lbs. for sure, but "fat" i'm not. I'll take it at 44 years old and natural.
I'd post a shirtless pic but unless I'm Dorian Yates I'll never hear the end of it.
Did it to myself i guess....that's what you get for being an incorrigible asshole for 7 years ;D ;D
You look great at 44 or for any age. Keep up the hard work.
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You look great at 44 or for any age. Keep up the hard work.
Thanks Adonis....i admire your epic leans as well.
never mind diet...What kind of training are you doing these days?
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Im not even trying to argue with anybody. Heres TB's cliffs
No patience says 'im just going to eat normally when I cut this time and im very impressed with myself'
Groink says 'dont start blowing yourself yet'. ( ;D)
Adonis says 'approved'
Taco says 'no f uckin shit, why is this impressive'
Wave says 'there are rules'
Taco says 'why rules, you weigh as much as a h.s. football player'
Adonis says 'high scoolers arent 5'10 175'
Taco posts pic
Adonis posts pic of a liar and fudges some statistics.
Goink and Adonis stroke each other
Taco posts cliffs.
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Im not even trying to argue with anybody. Heres TB's cliffs
No patience says 'im just going to eat normally when I cut this time and im very impressed with myself'
Groink says 'dont start blowing yourself yet'. ( ;D)
Adonis says 'approved'
Taco says 'no f uckin shit, why is this impressive'
Wave says 'there are rules'
Taco says 'why rules, you weigh as much as a h.s. football player'
Adonis says 'high scoolers arent 5'10 175'
Taco posts pic
Adonis posts pic of a liar and fudges some statistics.
Goink and Adonis stroke each other
Taco posts cliffs.
Well to be fair...me and Adonis used to rip each other brutally, so i guess it's time we officially buried the hatchet.
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Thanks Adonis....i admire your epic leans as well.
never mind diet...What kind of training are you doing these days?
5-6 days a week a combination of HEAVY and Explosive.
Hardest I have ever worked.
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Well to be fair...me and Adonis used to rip each other brutally, so i guess it's time we officially buried the hatchet.
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5-6 days a week a combination of HEAVY and Explosive.
Hardest I have ever worked.
Good stuff. how is your body responding?
If you can pack a few lbs of solid mass onto your frame and maintain your BF%, you will look very impressive indeed. Not that you don't look good now
That's the one thing i thought lacked when you guys all lean out is you loose a large degree of thickness and that's the trade-off I guess I'm not willing to make.
Maybe going all the way down and then building from there without truly bulking is the key.
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LOL ;D
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Depends on how active and her size.
Jezebelle eats around 2000 at 5`11 130.
123...5'8....works out 3 - 4x per week.
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ahhhh...i'm glad to come back and see everyone is getting alone now ;D
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123...5'8....works out 3 - 4x per week.
try this link...i found this calculator to be accurate for myself
http://www.phord.com/cc/
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Well to be fair...me and Adonis used to rip each other brutally, so i guess it's time we officially buried the hatchet.
Its tough not to rip peaople who train with gravity suits.....
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Wavelenght, be honest how much did you weight in your avatar pic?
I revealed that information right when I posted the result pictures of my last cut.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=288510.msg4088832#msg4088832
Here are the pics (the old links don't work anymore):
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/03/18099922/gallerypic/3515041.jpg)
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/04/18099922/gallerypic/3966601.jpg)
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/04/18099922/gallerypic/3941311.jpg)
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/04/18099922/gallerypic/3934581.jpg)
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/04/18099922/gallerypic/3969501.jpg)
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/04/18099922/gallerypic/3960301.jpg)
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/04/18099922/gallerypic/3969611.jpg)
I was a lot heavier in the past, injuries kept my weight down in the last years. This was me when I was heavier:
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/01/29/18099922/gallerypic/2879571.jpg)
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adonis, why the FUCK would anyone ever want to look like you.
lol.
you posted a pic of yourself with your hag and your two dogs and your broad was bigger than you.
not to mention you are ugly as fuck to boot.
build a physique thats halfway admirable instead of looking like a broomstick in clothing and maybe someone will pay attention.
and a word to the skinny twinks who call themselves bodybuilders- ANYONE can be lean at 160 pounds. dont go thinking your special, cause your not. put on another 60-100 pounds of lean- then you can talk.
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Good stuff. how is your body responding?
If you can pack a few lbs of solid mass onto your frame and maintain your BF%, you will look very impressive indeed. Not that you don't look good now
That's the one thing i thought lacked when you guys all lean out is you loose a large degree of thickness and that's the trade-off I guess I'm not willing to make.
Maybe going all the way down and then building from there without truly bulking is the key.
I'm going to give this a go.
I came to the same epiphany while
reading the autotrader after a
protein shake induced wet shit.
I used to live on shakes
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I revealed that information right when I posted the result pictures of my last cut.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=288510.msg4088832#msg4088832
Here are the pics (the old links don't work anymore):
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/03/18099922/gallerypic/3515041.jpg)
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/04/18099922/gallerypic/3966601.jpg)
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/04/18099922/gallerypic/3941311.jpg)
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/04/18099922/gallerypic/3934581.jpg)
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/04/18099922/gallerypic/3969501.jpg)
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/04/18099922/gallerypic/3960301.jpg)
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/07/04/18099922/gallerypic/3969611.jpg)
I was a lot heavier in the past, injuries kept my weight down in the last years. This was me when I was heavier:
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/01/29/18099922/gallerypic/2879571.jpg)
I'm hungry, thanks for that
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adonis, why the FUCK would anyone ever want to look like you.
lol.
you posted a pic of yourself with your hag and your two dogs and your broad was bigger than you.
not to mention you are ugly as fuck to boot.
build a physique thats halfway admirable instead of looking like a broomstick in clothing and maybe someone will pay attention.
and a word to the skinny twinks who call themselves bodybuilders- ANYONE can be lean at 160 pounds. dont go thinking your special, cause your not. put on another 60-100 pounds of lean- then you can talk.
who called themselves bodybuilders????
you sound very angry....like an insecure type of anger
poor guy, must be getting upset because the ladies prefer "twinks"
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try this link...i found this calculator to be accurate for myself
http://www.phord.com/cc/
This thing makes me fell good about myself. I apparently need near 4000calories a day to gain weight. I'll take it with a grain of salt but felt good when I clicked on it.
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This thing makes me fell good about myself. I apparently need near 4000calories a day to gain weight. I'll take it with a grain of salt but felt good when I clicked on it.
it told me that i need 1947 cals/day to lose 1lb a week....i eat roughly 2000cal/day and i have lost 1lb exactly every week so far
i am sure at some point soon, my metabolism will adjust and i will need a larger deficit
but yeah, take it with a grain of salt...it is just a base point that you will adjust from with time
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I'm hungry, thanks for that
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