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I'm a firm believer that genetics play a tremendous role in BB...drugs are just the finishing touches in most cases. Bone structure, proportions, insertions, muscle bellies, etc. are not helped by drugs. Therefore, I truely believe that out of 10k gym rats perhaps only 1 or 2 would have what it takes to be an elite IFBB pro....take into account the commitment, discipline, etc that must exist with training, eating, sleeping, etc.....
I def. don't qualify due to my poor proportions, wide waste, narrow shldrs, long torso, etc...I could jump on a ton of drugs and come nowhere near the caliber of any pro.... I frequently see a couple of IFBB Pro's and it's always a cold reminder that no matter what, I can never look like them.
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i think the better question is who the fuck would want to
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Probably less than 1%
You need to respond well to drugs, have a reasonable structure and be fairly disciplined and committed.
A lot of people can bodybuild and compete in the local level, but becoming a pro isn't easy.
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Probably less than 1%
You need to respond well to drugs, have a reasonable structure and be fairly disciplined and committed.
A lot of people can bodybuild and compete in the local level, but becoming a pro isn't easy.
bull shit , if every one was as stupid as dorian,ronny,nasser you would see alot more guys 300 pounds with abs pumping them selves full of tons of insulin and gh , but most people are not retards
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i think the better question is who the fuck would want to
I ran into a guy that earned his Pro card last year and is currently 222 lbs at 5'8" and he looks incredible...of course, well proportioned, tiny joints, etc...I would love to look like this guy and I think most would....Now, in a few years if he's weighing 260 then that would not appeal to me..LOL
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bull shit , if every one was as stupid as dorian,ronny,nasser you would see alot more guys 300 pounds with abs pumping them selves full of tons of insulin and gh , but most people are not retards
You have officially made yourself look like a retarded asshole.
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bull shit , if every one was as stupid as dorian,ronny,nasser you would see alot more guys 300 pounds with abs pumping them selves full of tons of insulin and gh , but most people are not retards
That's my point....You or I could pump ourselves full of gear and weigh a ton with abs, but would look like a blob of shite standing next to Ronnie
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bull shit , if every one was as stupid as dorian,ronny,nasser you would see alot more guys 300 pounds with abs pumping them selves full of tons of insulin and gh , but most people are not retards
There are tons of people who juice on a level equivalent to the IFBB pros. Check out the number of bodybuilders in the local contests - anyone who is a middleweight and more juices heavily, esp. the bigger guys. How many of them win a pro card and become successful pros? Only a fraction.
Go to any gym, even one like Golds gym (or whichever one is the current "Mecca") and you'll find at least 100 or so "normal" people for every pro caliber physique. That will go down even more if you visit the average gym.
Not saying a lot of people out there can't pile on muscle under a heavy cycle and decent training, mind you. Just that that alone won't let them get a pro card.
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i agree with kiwiol.
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There are tons of people who juice on a level equivalent to the IFBB pros. Check out the number of bodybuilders in the local contests - anyone who is a middleweight and more juices heavily, esp. the bigger guys. How many of them win a pro card and become successful pros? Only a fraction.
Go to any gym, even one like Golds gym (or whichever one is the current "mecca") and you'll find at least 100 or so "normal" people for every pro caliber physique. That will go down even more if you visit the average gym.
Not saying a lot of people out there can't pile on muscle under a heavy cycle and decent training, mind you. Just that that alone won't let them get a pro card.
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You have officially made yourself look like a retarded asshole.
::) i did that along time ago
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That's my point....You or I could pump ourselves full of gear and weigh a ton with abs, but would look like a blob of shite standing next to Ronnie
if joe average did as much drugs with the same quality you wind up with guys like kamali and titus you ad in good genetics you get ronnie and dorian
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if joe average did as much drugs with the same quality you wind up with guys like kamali and titus you ad in good genetics you get ronnie and dorian
Good point...there are def pro's who are teh upper echelon compared to the field.....but, what % of avg gymrats could become an IFBB Pro?
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Good point...there are def pro's who are teh upper echelon compared to the field.....but, what % of avg gymrats could become an IFBB Pro?
alot more than you think , who really wants to suck cock for 20,000 dollars worth of hgh every year ? :chick
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Bahh, that's a load of bullshit..elite genetics, etc. LOL..
if Kamali can turn pro, ANYONE can.
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Good point...there are def pro's who are teh upper echelon compared to the field.....but, what % of avg gymrats could become an IFBB Pro?
I actually think a good percentage could if they really wanted to. With that I mean learning about the things it takes to be a pro and actually applying them to their lifestyle. Past that it's just being disciplined enough to really stick to it and want it bad enough to get it. Watching the scene enough you really see people with less than decent genetics become pros because they really want it. Not just think that they want it.
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id say probably 1 or 2 % COULD NOT become ifbb pro's. for 98-99%, it is not a question of possibility, but a question of will.
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There are tons of people who juice on a level equivalent to the IFBB pros. Check out the number of bodybuilders in the local contests - anyone who is a middleweight and more juices heavily, esp. the bigger guys. How many of them win a pro card and become successful pros? Only a fraction.
Go to any gym, even one like Golds gym (or whichever one is the current "Mecca") and you'll find at least 100 or so "normal" people for every pro caliber physique. That will go down even more if you visit the average gym.
Not saying a lot of people out there can't pile on muscle under a heavy cycle and decent training, mind you. Just that that alone won't let them get a pro card.
hmmm..but according to Groink no one can say that he would not have gotten better than runner up at the Mr. Olympia if he decided to do drugs at an earlier age :D ::)
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id say probably 1 or 2 % COULD NOT become ifbb pro's. for 98-99%, it is not a question of possibility, but a question of will.
1or 2 % = severdmantestes and nzcockmonster . there bodies seem to be immune to the effects of performance enhancing drugs
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hmmm..but according to Groink no one can say that he would not have gotten better than runner up at the Mr. Olympia if he decided to do drugs at an earlier age :D ::)
only natural i have ever seen with gh insulin gut and gyno
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hmmm..but according to Groink no one can say that he would not have gotten better than runner up at the Mr. Olympia if he decided to do drugs at an earlier age :D ::)
Groink would win the O with the right drugs.
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Groink would win the O with the right drugs.
all blue undies
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1or 2 % = severdmantestes and nzcockmonster . there bodies seem to be immune to the effects of performance enhancing drugs
sev looking swole in that last pic!!
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1or 2 % = severdmantestes and nzcockmonster . there bodies seem to be immune to the effects of performance enhancing drugs
Looks like that guy is trashed.. That's not the way to bodybuild. Why juice when you do shit like that?
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I actually think a good percentage could if they really wanted to. With that I mean learning about the things it takes to be a pro and actually applying them to their lifestyle.
It might seem like an easy thing to do, especially when you're just talking about it, but it's very hard to become pro. Look at guys like Edgar Fletcher and Matt Mendenhall - they have elite genetics, crazy structure and respond well to drugs, but couldn't hack it into the pro ranks despite trying several times.
And they're just a drop in the ocean filled with amateurs, most of whom have far less impressive genetics than those two. Not to mention it takes years and years of effort to get there, which most people won't commit to.
Anyone who thinks guys like Kamali and Titus are "average" don't know that they're talking about. Only reason a lot of pros deflate dramatically and look like crap after they stop competing is because they are lazy and their heart isn't into lifting hard. If guys like Tom Prince and Kamali lifted hard without juice, they'd still be more muscular and bigger than the average guy you see in the gym. Average guy in the gym = 5'9" 170 lb at 20% body fat.
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anybody could be Mr. O if they just took steroids, It's really is that easy! the bigger you are-the more juice you pump duh! I could be a pro race car driver if I just had numbers on my mazda, if I had a $195 pair of jordans I could play like MJ. If I get an expensive set of golf clubs I could play like tiger woods
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I'm a firm believer that genetics play a tremendous role in BB...drugs are just the finishing touches in most cases. Bone structure, proportions, insertions, muscle bellies, etc. are not helped by drugs. Therefore, I truely believe that out of 10k gym rats perhaps only 1 or 2 would have what it takes to be an elite IFBB pro....take into account the commitment, discipline, etc that must exist with training, eating, sleeping, etc.....
I def. don't qualify due to my poor proportions, wide waste, narrow shldrs, long torso, etc...I could jump on a ton of drugs and come nowhere near the caliber of any pro.... I frequently see a couple of IFBB Pro's and it's always a cold reminder that no matter what, I can never look like them.
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I'm sure it could be figured out...but "population" is a little deceiving and unfair since the majority of the population doesnt even compete....so I think you have to use the percentage of competing BBers at the National level...since athletes competing at any other level arent going for a pro card...
Example: USA- 500 athletes/ 10 pro cards? (guess)
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It might seem like an easy thing to do, especially when you're just talking about it, but it's very hard to become pro. Look at guys like Edgar Fletcher and Matt Mendenhall - they have elite genetics, crazy structure and respond well to drugs, but couldn't hack it into the pro ranks despite trying several times.
And they're just a drop in the ocean filled with amateurs, most of whom have far less impressive genetics than those two. Not to mention it takes years and years of effort to get there, which most people won't commit to.
Anyone who thinks guys like Kamali and Titus are "average" don't know that they're talking about. Only reason a lot of pros deflate dramatically and look like crap after they stop competing is because they are lazy and their heart isn't into lifting hard. If guys like Tom Prince and Kamali lifted hard without juice, they'd still be more muscular and bigger than the average guy you see in the gym. Average guy in the gym = 5'9" 170 lb at 20% body fat.
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Kiwiol on the money. Nice Post
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anybody could be Mr. O if they just took steroids, It's really is that easy! the bigger you are-the more juice you pump duh! I could be a pro race car driver if I just had numbers on my mazda, if I had a $195 pair of jordans I could play like MJ. If I get an expensive set of golf clubs I could play like tiger woods
"Nirvana" = teh funny ;D
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I'm sure it could be figured out...but "population" is a little deceiving and unfair since the majority of the population doesnt even compete....so I think you have to use the percentage of competing BBers at the National level...since athletes competing at any other level arent going for a pro card...
Example: USA- 500 athletes/ 10 pro cards? (guess)
The initial discussion was btwn me and a few friends...one very naive friend suggested that any of us 3 could use heavy doses of aas and look compatible to some IFBB pros! We laughed histerically at him and thought we set him straight. He then states that many guys at local gyms could easily turn pro only if they were serious about it. He said 10% of gymgoers(18-40yr old men) have potential to compete. I said out of 10k maybe 1 or 2.
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The initial discussion was btwn me and a few friends...one very naive friend suggested that any of us 3 could use heavy doses of aas and look compatible to some IFBB pros! We laughed histerically at him and thought we set him straight. He then states that many guys at local gyms could easily turn pro only if they were serious about it. He said 10% of gymgoers(18-40yr old men) have potential to compete. I said out of 10k maybe 1 or 2.
Saying anyone can become pro if they juice hard enough is like saying anyone can win the gold medal in the Olympics if they put in the same amount of training time as the athletes do or become as great a physicist as Tesla if they put in the same amount of study time.
If getting a pro card was easy and close to 100% of the population could look like pros, then you wouldn't have such a long line of amateurs in the local ranks struggling year after year to get that card. Ask those very guys who have the experience and they'll tell you it's no easy task.
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Of course isn't easy to become an IFBB Pro but in the end it all comes down to how well you respond to drugs .
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It might seem like an easy thing to do, especially when you're just talking about it, but it's very hard to become pro. Look at guys like Edgar Fletcher and Matt Mendenhall - they have elite genetics, crazy structure and respond well to drugs, but couldn't hack it into the pro ranks despite trying several times.
And they're just a drop in the ocean filled with amateurs, most of whom have far less impressive genetics than those two. Not to mention it takes years and years of effort to get there, which most people won't commit to.
Anyone who thinks guys like Kamali and Titus are "average" don't know that they're talking about. Only reason a lot of pros deflate dramatically and look like crap after they stop competing is because they are lazy and their heart isn't into lifting hard. If guys like Tom Prince and Kamali lifted hard without juice, they'd still be more muscular and bigger than the average guy you see in the gym. Average guy in the gym = 5'9" 170 lb at 20% body fat.
i dont consider this to be average , i consider it to be shit genetics , to me average = 5 10 - 511 210-220 with body fat under 15%
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i think the better question is who the fuck would want to
hahahahahahahahha
stop playin, most people dream of this at one time or another.
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hahahahahahahahha
stop playin, most people dream of this at one time or another.
::) ya when your 12 , then you grow up and realize how ridicules the idea of being a pro bodybuilder or pro wrestler
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Saying anyone can become pro if they juice hard enough is like saying anyone can win the gold medal in the Olympics if they put in the same amount of training time as the athletes do or become as great a physicist as Tesla if they put in the same amount of study time.
If getting a pro card was easy and close to 100% of the population could look like pros, then you wouldn't have such a long line of amateurs in the local ranks struggling year after year to get that card. Ask those very guys who have the experience and they'll tell you it's no easy task.
Speaking of physicists.. if string theory ever became a law of physics it would be true that any person in the world was a pro bodybuilder in a paralell universe due to the ever expanding universe creating every possible outcome for every situation. ;D
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how the hell did greg kovacs ever go pro. and what about dave palumbo did he ever go pro, these two were about the worst looking physiques ever
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Saying anyone can become pro if they juice hard enough is like saying anyone can win the gold medal in the Olympics if they put in the same amount of training time as the athletes do or become as great a physicist as Tesla if they put in the same amount of study time.
If getting a pro card was easy and close to 100% of the population could look like pros, then you wouldn't have such a long line of amateurs in the local ranks struggling year after year to get that card. Ask those very guys who have the experience and they'll tell you it's no easy task.
QFT! It took me 5 mins at 17 to realize that I would never have the genetics to be a pro-BBer.
/took me 10 mins to realize i wouldn't be tesla.
//you want fries with that?
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I'm a firm believer that genetics play a tremendous role in BB...drugs are just the finishing touches in most cases. Bone structure, proportions, insertions, muscle bellies, etc. are not helped by drugs. Therefore, I truely believe that out of 10k gym rats perhaps only 1 or 2 would have what it takes to be an elite IFBB pro....take into account the commitment, discipline, etc that must exist with training, eating, sleeping, etc.....
i think probably 3-5% could be IFBB pro's with a proper training and nutrition
I def. don't qualify due to my poor proportions, wide waste, narrow shldrs, long torso, etc...I could jump on a ton of drugs and come nowhere near the caliber of any pro.... I frequently see a couple of IFBB Pro's and it's always a cold reminder that no matter what, I can never look like them.
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More people than one would initially think
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Totally right on needing the the proper structure to be a pro, small waist, wide clavicles, tiny joints, long muscle bellies, great response to AAS. But think about how many pros actually posess ALL of those qualities, and how many average guys out there posess NONE of them. Everyone has flaws in their structure, from average gym rats to IFBB pros. And please don't compare pro bodybuilders to NBA players, first and foremost to play in the NBA you have to be tall, so if you are under 6'3" you already have a lot going against you, next there is the athleticism factor, hand eye coordination, and lets not forget skill. How many of those qualities do you need to be a IFBB pro? Im just bringing up basketball because I used to play in high school and I can easily relate to it, I'm sure other people that have played other high school or college sports can give examples of their own. Not saying that anyone can be an IFBB pro, but saying that it's an elite 1% out of all the people that lift weights regularly is completely wrong. Why not ask the question how many IFBB pros would stand head and shoulders above the average gym rat if AAS was taken away completely. Besides Ronnie and Levrone I can't really think of any.
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Totally right on needing the the proper structure to be a pro, small waist, wide clavicles, tiny joints, long muscle bellies, great response to AAS. But think about how many pros actually posess ALL of those qualities, and how many average guys out there posess NONE of them. Everyone has flaws in their structure, from average gym rats to IFBB pros. And please don't compare pro bodybuilders to NBA players, first and foremost to play in the NBA you have to be tall, so if you are under 6'3" you already have a lot going against you, next there is the athleticism factor, hand eye coordination, and lets not forget skill. How many of those qualities do you need to be a IFBB pro? Im just bringing up basketball because I used to play in high school and I can easily relate to it, I'm sure other people that have played other high school or college sports can give examples of their own. Not saying that anyone can be an IFBB pro, but saying that it's an elite 1% out of all the people that lift weights regularly is completely wrong. Why not ask the question how many IFBB pros would stand head and shoulders above the average gym rat if AAS was taken away completely. Besides Ronnie and Levrone I can't really think of any.
Levrone shrunk to nothing when he stopped the AAS. Years ago i would have said a smaller percentage, but given some of the physiques that are rewarded nowadays and the systematic substance abuse, i would say a good 90% of people could reach pro level.
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id say probably 1 or 2 % COULD NOT become ifbb pro's. for 98-99%, it is not a question of possibility, but a question of will.
Sooooo....let me be sure that I'm understanding you correctly. Are you saying that 99% of male gymgoers aged 18-40 could become an IFBB Pro if they have enough willpower?
If this is true, I think you may be the most delusional poster on GB. I think you drastically underestimate the qualifications to become a pro. You have aspirations of becoming a pro BB, correct? Good luck ::)
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People give pros too much credit............Id say a LARGE percentage of the population could become pros......its just a matter of how far someone wants to take their "weightlifting hobby"........it takes a lot of time, money, and effort to become a pro bodybuilder............b ut for what??
Believe me when i say this, the best bodybuilder on the planet right now isnt a pro, its someone somewhere with crazy genetics and an unbelievable response to drugs, who probably doesnt even lift weights and is ripped and muscular.....But we'll never know because this person has yet to step foot in a gym and probably never will........
All we see are the guys who took their hobby to the next level, thats all.
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People give pros too much credit............Id say a LARGE percentage of the population could become pros......its just a matter of how far someone wants to take their "weightlifting hobby"........it takes a lot of time, money, and effort to become a pro bodybuilder............b ut for what??
Believe me when i say this, the best bodybuilder on the planet right now isnt a pro, its someone somewhere with crazy genetics and an unbelievable response to drugs, who probably doesnt even lift weights and is ripped and muscular.....But we'll never know because this person has yet to step foot in a gym and probably never will........
All we see are the guys who took their hobby to the next level, thats all.
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People give pros too much credit............Id say a LARGE percentage of the population could become pros......its just a matter of how far someone wants to take their "weightlifting hobby"........it takes a lot of time, money, and effort to become a pro bodybuilder............b ut for what??
Believe me when i say this, the best bodybuilder on the planet right now isnt a pro, its someone somewhere with crazy genetics and an unbelievable response to drugs, who probably doesnt even lift weights and is ripped and muscular.....But we'll never know because this person has yet to step foot in a gym and probably never will........
All we see are the guys who took their hobby to the next level, thats all.
True...same goes for true athletes...most of them are sitting in prison. There just seems to be waaay too many knuckleheads in the gyms I frequent that truely believe they could be an IFBB Pro as if it's just a simple choice on their part....
"Flexngsteele"...you have done a show or 2 if I'm not mistaking...as far as I know and suspect, you're a natty correct? With that being said, could you become an IFBB Pro by dedicating yourself to the "lifestyle", including drug use of course? Is it truely just a matter of choice to parley your "weightlifting hobby" into becoming a Pro? Are you seriously saying that there's still a chance for Goodrum and Arvilla? ;D
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HaHaha now I have a GH gut to go along with my imaginary Gyno that I hide by putting my hand on my hip. I own your minds. I easily could have been a pro, along with quite a few other posters here.
These guys are not the "genetic elite"....they are walking pharmacies. Sorry Bobs, but that includes your hero too. As far as all that bullshit about tiny joints, round muscle bellies blah blah blah......tell that to Jay Cutler.
You DO need good genetics to be a pro. but PLENTY of people have good genetics. they just have no interest in taking enough drugs to kill a horse.
You guys need to stop drinking the Kool Aid
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People give pros too much credit............Id say a LARGE percentage of the population could become pros......its just a matter of how far someone wants to take their "weightlifting hobby"........it takes a lot of time, money, and effort to become a pro bodybuilder............b ut for what??
Believe me when i say this, the best bodybuilder on the planet right now isnt a pro, its someone somewhere with crazy genetics and an unbelievable response to drugs, who probably doesnt even lift weights and is ripped and muscular.....But we'll never know because this person has yet to step foot in a gym and probably never will........
All we see are the guys who took their hobby to the next level, thats all.
that reminds of this MONSTER guy I saw once FUCKING HUGE WITH LEANS he looked black not sure what ethnicity
made me feel like a little girl and never trained a day in my life
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HaHaha now I have a GH gut to go along with my imaginary Gyno that I hide by putting my hand on my hip. I own your minds. I easily could have been a pro, along with quite a few other posters here.
These guys are not the "genetic elite"....they are walking pharmacies. Sorry Bobs, but that includes your hero too. As far as all that bullshit about tiny joints, round muscle bellies blah blah blah......tell that to Jay Cutler.
You DO need good genetics to be a pro. but PLENTY of people have good genetics. they just have no interest in taking enough drugs to kill a horse.
You guys need to stop drinking the Kool Aid
Oh great! Just what most delusional gymrat bodybuilders need to hear! These types of comments only fuel their delusional fires! "Groink" has always been a level headed guy on here, but I think your comment is unrealistic.
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Oh great! Just what most delusional gymrat bodybuilders need to hear! These types of comments only fuel their delusional fires! "Groink" has always been a level headed guy on here, but I think your comment is unrealistic.
of course grionk "could" have turned pro
but for whatever reason he didn't fulfill that potential so its irrelevant
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People give pros too much credit............Id say a LARGE percentage of the population could become pros......its just a matter of how far someone wants to take their "weightlifting hobby"........it takes a lot of time, money, and effort to become a pro bodybuilder............b ut for what??
Believe me when i say this, the best bodybuilder on the planet right now isnt a pro, its someone somewhere with crazy genetics and an unbelievable response to drugs, who probably doesnt even lift weights and is ripped and muscular.....But we'll never know because this person has yet to step foot in a gym and probably never will........
All we see are the guys who took their hobby to the next level, thats all.
no one has time for your "bigfoot" stories now. ::)
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id say probably 1 or 2 % COULD NOT become ifbb pro's. for 98-99%, it is not a question of possibility, but a question of will.
Exactly, what percentage of the population has even trained to tap into their potential, let alone take things to the extreme by taking copious amounts of drugs and eating 10 meals a day.
Impossible to put a number on that.
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Ahhhhh....here we go.
We could easily sustitute Kiwiol, Meso,MOS, Danhead,A23,and plenty more that slip my mind right now. whos to say what any of us would look like good or bad, if we took pro-level cycles and completely immersed ourselves in the bbing lifestyle at a young age. Haters are going to hate...that's a given.
But if you look at pics of guys like Nasser and Titus before they got into bbing they look like anybody else. The whole premise that they are the genetic elite is baseless, being that 99.9% of the population has no desire to be a pro bber
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Ahhhhh....here we go.
We could easily sustitute Kiwiol, Meso,MOS, Danhead,A23,and plenty more that slip my mind right now. whos to say what any of us would look like good or bad, if we took pro-level cycles and completely immersed ourselves in the bbing lifestyle at a young age. Haters are going to hate...that's a given.
But if you look at pics of guys like Nasser and Titus before they got into bbing they look like anybody else. The whole premise that they are the genetic elite is baseless, being that 99.9% of the population has no desire to be a pro bber
lol so of the thousands of guys who compete (amateur as well as pro) and take as many drugs as possible with dedicated training and dieting only about 5 had comparable size to what Nasser achieved (well under 1% of competitive bodybuilders), yet you're saying that lots of people could achieve that look if they wanted to? ::)
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So, by many of everyones assertions, MOST guys on GB who have seriously chased the BB dream shouldve made it. YET, most have brutally failed in epic proportions. Seriously, this is a BB forum where guys have really tried to make it and were humbled by their meager genetics. Ur argument is proven wrong right here in front of our eyes. Right?
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People give pros too much credit............Id say a LARGE percentage of the population could become pros......its just a matter of how far someone wants to take their "weightlifting hobby"........it takes a lot of time, money, and effort to become a pro bodybuilder............b ut for what??
Believe me when i say this, the best bodybuilder on the planet right now isnt a pro, its someone somewhere with crazy genetics and an unbelievable response to drugs, who probably doesnt even lift weights and is ripped and muscular.....But we'll never know because this person has yet to step foot in a gym and probably never will........
All we see are the guys who took their hobby to the next level, thats all.
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its so true that it hurts bob, doesnt it :-*
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To sum it up, how can you unequivocally say everyone couldn't do it...if everyone doesn't even try to do it.
Keep your shirt on about Nasser Bobs, we all are well aware of how much you love him. I was just using him as an example.
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Anyone who thinks that 90% of the general public could become a pro if the just took enough drugs and just trained hard enough and lived the lifestyle is either just playing around or delusional to the point of needing serious help. Gyms all over america are loaded with people who take tons of steroids and try to live the lifestyle and look nothing like a bodybuilder much less a pro.
On a positive note, I know most of the people saying it are doing it just to get a reaction. Even on getbig most people aren't that delusional.
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To sum it up, how can you unequivocally say everyone couldn't do it...if everyone doesn't even try to do it.
Keep your shirt on about Nasser Bobs, we all are well aware of how much you love him. I was just using him as an example.
Exactly. A reletively skinny basketball player is now a top level pro. What if all college and pro athetes basketball, football, track, decided to dedicate their lives to bodybuilding? What percentage of them could turn pro and be as big and ripped as the "athletes" on stage now? I would bet a fairly high percentage would look as good or better, but they have chosen a diferent route. One that doesn't include G4P, drugs, and walking around in thongs.
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HaHaha now I have a GH gut to go along with my imaginary Gyno that I hide by putting my hand on my hip. I own your minds. I easily could have been a pro, along with quite a few other posters here.
These guys are not the "genetic elite"....they are walking pharmacies. Sorry Bobs, but that includes your hero too. As far as all that bullshit about tiny joints, round muscle bellies blah blah blah......tell that to Jay Cutler.
You DO need good genetics to be a pro. but PLENTY of people have good genetics. they just have no interest in taking enough drugs to kill a horse.
You guys need to stop drinking the Kool Aid
prove you where born with the "outy" groink , post a pic from elementery school
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Exactly.....if BBing was as popular as baseball or football there would be a thousand Nassers and Ronnies.
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Elite genetics ::)
IFBB pros
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I have a herniated navel you fucking idiot...I got it deadlifting years ago...at least know what the fuck you are talking about moron
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I'm a firm believer that genetics play a tremendous role in BB...drugs are just the finishing touches in most cases. Bone structure, proportions, insertions, muscle bellies, etc. are not helped by drugs. Therefore, I truely believe that out of 10k gym rats perhaps only 1 or 2 would have what it takes to be an elite IFBB pro....take into account the commitment, discipline, etc that must exist with training, eating, sleeping, etc.....
I def. don't qualify due to my poor proportions, wide waste, narrow shldrs, long torso, etc...I could jump on a ton of drugs and come nowhere near the caliber of any pro.... I frequently see a couple of IFBB Pro's and it's always a cold reminder that no matter what, I can never look like them.
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your right one just has to look to the physiques of wrestlings roddy piper to see what steroids can't do. that is turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.
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To sum it up, how can you unequivocally say everyone couldn't do it...if everyone doesn't even try to do it.
Keep your shirt on about Nasser Bobs, we all are well aware of how much you love him. I was just using him as an example.
I gave a statistical example, funny that you simply ignored it.
Yes there are many, many people with potential-pro genetics who do not even work-out - same thing goes for other sports. That's just a result of having a world with billions of people living in it.
However, looking at percentages, when you consider the total # of people who do take as many drugs as possible and make bodybuilding their life (practically ever state and national level competitor as well as every IFBB pro) and then count the # out of those that become even top 10 or 15 at the Olympia, you will have less than 1%. Therefore, less than 1% of people do have the genetics to be a top pro bodybuilder.
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I gave a statistical example, funny that you simply ignored it.
Yes there are many, many people with potential-pro genetics who do not even work-out - same thing goes for other sports. That's just a result of having a world with billions of people living in it.
However, looking at percentages, when you consider the total # of people who do take as many drugs as possible and make bodybuilding their life (practically ever state and national level competitor as well as every IFBB pro) and then count the # out of those that become even top 10 or 15 at the Olympia, you will have less than 1%. Therefore, less than 1% of people do have the genetics to be a top pro bodybuilder.
Your math is wrong but I don't feel like arguing .
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There are tons of people who juice on a level equivalent to the IFBB pros. Check out the number of bodybuilders in the local contests - anyone who is a middleweight and more juices heavily, esp. the bigger guys. How many of them win a pro card and become successful pros? Only a fraction.
Go to any gym, even one like Golds gym (or whichever one is the current "Mecca") and you'll find at least 100 or so "normal" people for every pro caliber physique. That will go down even more if you visit the average gym.
Not saying a lot of people out there can't pile on muscle under a heavy cycle and decent training, mind you. Just that that alone won't let them get a pro card.
The real question should be how many of those bodybuilders you see at local contest can actually get away with not having to work a 9 to 5 job (only a fraction).
It goes to show you that if you have acces to drugs, gym and not having to work (a real job anyways) Ill say 85 % of population would become pro.
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The real question should be how many of those bodybuilders you see at local contest can actually get away with not having to work a 9 to 5 job (only a fraction).
It goes to show you that if you have acces to drugs, gym and not having to work (a real job anyways) Ill say 85 % of population would become pro.
do you find that the winners of state NPC shows that proceed to the nationals are the ones who don't have jobs? Generally the only bodybuilders who dont need jobs are the ones who succeeded while having to work, and once they achieve a physique that allows them to earn money from it they can then focus on bb full-time, but only after beating hundreds of others along the way, almost all of whom also had full-time jobs.
For example when becoming a pro Nasser was in university full-time and worked and paid for his tuition and contest prep all by himself.
Would be funny to see if you guys would tell someone like hazbin or evilangel, great bodybuilders who didn't quite make pro, that large percentages of the population can become a pro if they simply took the drugs needed lol
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Your math is wrong but I don't feel like arguing .
Typical false and weak reply by someone who knows he is wrong ;)
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I gave a statistical example, funny that you simply ignored it.
Yes there are many, many people with potential-pro genetics who do not even work-out - same thing goes for other sports. That's just a result of having a world with billions of people living in it.
However, looking at percentages, when you consider the total # of people who do take as many drugs as possible and make bodybuilding their life (practically ever state and national level competitor as well as every IFBB pro) and then count the # out of those that become even top 10 or 15 at the Olympia, you will have less than 1%. Therefore, less than 1% of people do have the genetics to be a top pro bodybuilder.
Groink, Bobs is the prime example of someone pumping themselves up with steroids to only look average with chicken legs. How much more drugs can Bob take before he even gets to the level of a pro? Probably enough to kill a small animal and he still would look average.
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Haven't read all this yet but it might br more feasible and interesting to calculate the percentage of GetBig members who have the POTENBTIAL to turn Pro within the IFBB.
Once that calculation is made it could possibly be pretty accurate as to the percentage of the US population who have the potential to turn Pro.
The following figures are by no means accurate, but are merely based on my observations after more than a couple of years communicating on this GetBig Board.
I've seen about 10 GetBig members who have the potential to be a great Pro bodybuilder
I think that there are close to 50,000 GetBig members, (Might be way off base here.)
You do the math!
I'll start a post about those GetBig members who have the POTENTIAL to turn pro with the hope that other GetBiggers will add to it.
I could be wrong with some of my picks, but at least it's an attempt to give credit where credit is due. They certainly deserve that much.
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You need to have an extremely favorable response, as well as tolerance to AAS and other performance enhancing drugs. If you also happen to have small joints and a propensity to put on lots of muscle and hold little bodyfat then that's awesome. Top tier pros have great structures and also respond beautifully to drugs. That's why they're stomping around on the Olympia stage where moon faced, zit factory gym rats are getting gyno and brutal lipid profiles from a gram of test and some other drugs.
I know people stepping up their games to the multiple-grams-a-week range of steroids and they look like shit. Not to mention, their health is deteriorating at a fast rate. Conversely, I know a couple of competitors and someone who held an IFBB pro card for years who is in great health and uses over a gram a week. These people who can tolerate AAS and PEDs at big doses are the ones that make it far. Some peoples' bodies just meltdown when they take too much shit. Others tolerate high doses of test, tren and other potent androgens at high doses right out of the gate. And these types of people generally excel. It's hit and miss... you can have a great natural physique but tolerate AAS and PEDs so poorly you're better off with protein shakes and nothing else.
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Well thats because his genetics suck ass....not everyone has shit Paki genetics
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I have a herniated navel you fucking idiot...I got it deadlifting years ago...at least know what the fuck you are talking about moron
you got it from abusing peds , just like wolf and all other bb with outys that where not born with it ;)
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you got it from abusing peds , just like wolf and all other bb with outys that where not born with it ;)
You would NEVER see a natural looking like that, getting injuries and having a bloated drug body... it comes with the territory.
Goink is so fucking jaded for thinking that anyone believes his "natural" claim. And to say he could become a pro if he wanted... yeah................... already on a boatload of drugs. Who is he trying to convince? ::)
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Ha ha ha....what a bunch of small jealous cocks...Go slap your father for giving you weak genes
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Elite genetics ::)
IFBB pros
Look at the elite 1% of the world population! wow. Take a look in NFL locker rooms and you'll see more impressive physiques.
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LOL @ This retard that can tell im on drugs from the shape of my navel.....you idiots really will say anything just to sound like you know something.....fucking comical
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LOL @ This retard that can tell im on drugs from the shape of my navel.....you idiots really will say anything just to sound like you know something.....fucking comical
You have a bloated drug belly and you busted up your navel because your body grew stronger than it can handle. Only juicers get these kinds of injuries.. I only train with juicers, and you probably do as well, being one and all. There's no shame so why do you keep up the facade?
I juice. I don't give a fuck about anyone else. I do it carefully and check in with my doctor, and if anyone else cares too much then they're clearly obsessed. Just be comfortable with yourself and stop lying to your Getbig brothers.
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Typical false and weak reply by someone who knows he is wrong ;)
1000 guys trying to become Mr olympia ( 0.1% = 1 Dorian Yates )
1000000 guys trying to become Mr olympia ( 0.1% = 1000 Dorian Yates)
Going by your math Nasser wouldn't have made it either :-X ;D
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I did that over 15 years ago....you make me laugh, telling me what i did to my body almost 2 decades ago....do you read tea leaves too ?
I train alone, and I'm natural....sorry if you can't get big without drugs...I've been big for 20 years now. I'd love to see what some of you shit talkers are going to look like at my age.
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1000 guys trying to become Mr olympia ( 0.1% = 1 Dorian Yates )
1000000 guys trying to become Mr olympia ( 0.1% = 1000 Dorian Yates)
Going by your math Nasser wouldn't have made it either :-X ;D
You're not making sense.
What I said is that there are thousands, say 10,000 (at least) people around the world who compete seriously take lots of drugs and want to place as high as they can in the highest shows possible, yet only about 30 of them (maximum) will ever get top 5 at the Olympia in their lifetime, is 0.3% Point is that less than 1% of people have what it takes to place as high as Nasser (and Yates, Ronnie, Levrone, etc.). Point made.
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Soooo, for the guys who r sayin 85,95,99% of people could be Pro BB if only they choose to be.....each n every one of you could be an IFBB Pro if you wanted to, right? Let's hear you say it. I want just one of u to say that the ONLY reason ur not a pro bb is because you have chosen not to. Hahaha! Come on, let's hear you!
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I did that over 15 years ago....you make me laugh, telling me what i did to my body almost 2 decades ago....do you read tea leaves too ?
I train alone, and I'm natural....sorry if you can't get big without drugs...I've been big for 20 years now. I'd love to see what some of you shit talkers are going to look like at my age.
I can see you and maybe about 5 or 6 guys here turning pro IF everything comes together, big man. But I think most of the guys here would be like Mike Arvilla - huge and jacked, but far from looking like a pro.
Hazbin has some of the best genetics in this board and he couldn't turn pro. Most of the guys here would never be get as big as him, no matter how much juice they took. Look at how many blue star members we have in Getbig - how many of them are pro or can become one?
There is no way guys like Melvin or Billy Gumz could even win an amateur show, let alone a pro card. My guess is that a lot of people can attain pro levels of muscularity or near it, but will never look like a pro. They'd look like the guys from East European contests - big, but looking like crap when it comes to structure. Majority of the guys out there can't get as big as pros even with Ronnie's and Dorian's stack combined, IMO.
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You're not making sense.
What I said is that there are thousands, say 10,000 (at least) people around the world who compete seriously will lots of drugs and want to place as high as they can in the highest shows possible, yet only about 30 of them (maximum) will ever get top 5 at the Olympia in their lifetime, is 0.3% Point is that less than 1% of people have what it takes to place as high as Nasser (and Yates, Ronnie, Levrone, etc.). Point made.
Hahahaa, whatever man you can add one zero and doesn't make any difference plus not everyone that competes
wants to become a professional bodybuilder.
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Hahahaa, whatever man you can add one zero and doesn't make any difference plus not everyone that competes
wants to become a professional bodybuilder.
Because they know they can't, because they put everything into it for years and are not even close to qualifying to be a pro.
What % do you think can become a top pro like Nasser "if they want to"
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I can see you and maybe about 5 or 6 guys here turning pro IF everything comes together, big man. But I think most of the guys here would be like Mike Arvilla - huge and jacked, but far from looking like a pro.
Hazbin has some of the best genetics in this board and he couldn't turn pro. Most of the guys here would never be get as big as him, no matter how much juice they took. Look at how many blue star members we have in Getbig - how many of them are pro or can become one?
There is no way guys like Melvin or Billy Gumz could even win an amateur show, let alone a pro card. My guess is that a lot of people can attain pro levels of muscularity or near it, but will never look like a pro. They'd look like the guys from East European contests - big, but looking like crap when it comes to structure. Majority of the guys out there can't get as big as pros even with Ronnie's and Dorian's stack combined, IMO.
What do you mean by "if everything comes together?"
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Soooo, for the guys who r sayin 85,95,99% of people could be Pro BB if only they choose to be.....each n every one of you could be an IFBB Pro if you wanted to, right? Let's hear you say it. I want just one of u to say that the ONLY reason ur not a pro bb is because you have chosen not to. Hahaha! Come on, let's hear you!
The only reason I'm not a pro bb is because I have chose not to.
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What do you mean by "if everything comes together?"
All the needed factors - years of consistent training and heavy drug use, having a body that doesn't break down with the drug use, peaking for the shows correctly and so on.
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The only reason I'm not a pro bb is because I have chose not to.
Oh really? Do you have any pics on GB? If not, care to post one? Why have you CHOSEN not to be a Pro BB?
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Because they know they can't, because they put everything into it for years and are not even close to qualifying to be a pro.
What % do you think can become a top pro like Nasser "if they want to"
The porcentage doesn't change ,simple math ( more people=less chances).
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10 - 15% if they had the same 'nutritional regimen'
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Che has a great build, he's got pics up
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Why have you CHOSEN not to be a Pro BB?
Because I didn't want to use drugs .
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Che has a great build, he's got pics up
Care to be a good sport and post a pic of "Che".....I'm having no luck...a lot of damn good builds on this site including urself "Groink"....however, that in NO way constitutes automatic entry into the Pro ranks.
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All the needed factors - years of consistent training and heavy drug use, having a body that doesn't break down with the drug use, peaking for the shows correctly and so on.
In other words you dont believe he can say that he would be a pro he wanted to
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Care to be a good sport and post a pic of "Che".....I'm having no luck...a lot of damn good builds on this site including urself "Groink"....however, that in NO way constitutes automatic entry into the Pro ranks.
Ok here is a picture of an IFBB Pro (I assume using drugs ) and me (lifetime drug free ).
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I dont have any...but I have seen him, he looks muscular and aesthethic.
As far as "entry to the pros" I would agree....I think a "pro caliber physique" is a fairer question. There are a lot more factors than just your physique that factor into being a pro....Kiwi touched on this as well.
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Thx for pics "Che"...damn good build, genetics, etc....I agree, you would have the potential to possibly become a pro..no doubt....not automatic entry, but very close....I'll bet you're one of ONLY a couple on this entire damn site that carries that potential....you're in VERY small company.
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Ok here is a picture of an IFBB Pro (I assume using drugs ) and me (lifetime drug free ).
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Che crushing that pro :o :o
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Thx for pics "Che"...damn good build, genetics, etc....I agree, you would have the potential to possibly become a pro..no doubt....not automatic entry, but very close....I'll bet you're one of ONLY a couple on this entire damn site that carries that potential....you're in VERY small company.
I tell you the truth I was fucking with you ;D ,
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Ok here is a picture of an IFBB Pro (I assume using drugs ) and me (lifetime drug free ).
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Whose the older bodybuilder your comparing yourself there to skippy?
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In other words you dont believe he can say that he would be a pro he wanted to
LOL, how did you read that into what I said? ;D
I'm saying I think that Groink is one of the few guys here who can possibly turn pro if he got into it full-time and if body doesn't get damaged because of the drug use.
Great physique on DQ
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I tell you the true I was fucking with you ;D ,
Yeah, at least you can back it up..nice job. Again, you're in VERY small company
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LOL, how did you read that into what I said? ;D
I'm saying I think that Groink is one of the few guys here who can possibly turn pro if he got into it full-time and if body doesn't get damaged because of the drug use.
Great physique on DQ
Because you just listed pre-requisites to becoming a pro that one does not know if he's never competed or never taken drugs as he claims, so how can one say without knowing if they have the pre-req's that they could "easily' become a pro
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HA HA HA....Look at Babar getting all mad and trying to put words in Kiwis mouth because Kiwi paid me a compliment. Don't you have a poem to write about Nasser or something?
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I tell you the true I was fucking with you ;D ,
I figured you were too, but that is a great build especially if its natural :)
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HA HA HA....Look at Babar getting all mad and trying to put words in Kiwis mouth because Kiwi paid me a compliment. Don't you have a poem to write about Nasser or something?
Mad? lol, no, just using logic to show that hidden in kiwis words are his opinion on your statement. He will probably say that's not what he meant to be nice to you online but if you can't see beyond that you need to tighten your reading comprehension :)
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Bahh, that's a load of bullshit..elite genetics, etc. LOL..
if Kamali can turn pro, ANYONE can.
boom...post of the year so far
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Because you just listed pre-requisites to becoming a pro that one does not know if he's never competed or never taken drugs as he claims, so how can one say without knowing if they have the pre-req's that they could "easily' become a pro
I said it based on his physique. The point I was trying to make is that Groink has the size and structure to become a pro if he puts in all the needed work and did pro-level of juicing, more than the average Getbigger and way more than guys like Melvin Goodrum or Billy Gumz or whoever.
A potentiality isn't an actuality. Which is why I'm saying Groink has the potential to become pro IF he juiced, had a resilient body etc, the inference being he's genetically elite when it comes to packing on muscle and having a great shape, which the majority of the population doesn't have.
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You are just looking for any angle to discredit me, and your jealous that no one has mentioned you....it's obvious to those of us that pay attention
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Mad? lol, no, just using logic to show that hidden in kiwis words are his opinion on your statement. He will probably say that's not what he meant to be nice to you online but if you can't see beyond that you need to tighten your reading comprehension :)
Not at all. If I had something to say, I'd say it straight. You'll never see me saying his quads reminds me of Tom Platz's or anything, lol. But the guy is built like a tank and has a pretty good structure, which is why I'm saying he's one of the few here who has elite genetics.
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Not at all. If I had something to say, I'd say it straight. You'll never see me saying his quads reminds me of Tom Platz's or anything, lol. But the guy is built like a tank and has a pretty good structure, which is why I'm saying he's one of the few here who has elite genetics.
I've also said he has a good build - and yet he still gets pissed off because I don't buy into the "I can easily become a pro if I wanted to" claims. That's what he said earlier in this thread, and that's the phrase I was assessing your opinion on, so how about you just answer it yourself - do you think Groink could have "easily" become a pro if he wanted to as he said earlier in this thread?
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I've also said he has a good build - and yet he still gets pissed off because I don't buy into the "I can easily become a pro if I wanted to" claims. That's what he said earlier in this thread, and that's the phrase I was assessing your opinion on, so how about you just answer it yourself - do you think Groink could have "easily" become a pro if he wanted to as he said earlier in this thread?
That depends on what you mean by "easy". It was easy for Ronnie to win the Olympia in 99, but not easy to get to that level of muscularity.
To put it in another way, I'd say Groink has a much better chance of turning pro than the majority (~ 90%) of the guys here.
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you are splitting hairs Babar...and singling ME out of this entire thread...as usual....Your obsession with me is growing tiresome.
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You shouldn't get yourself so worked up...you might miscarry Nasser's baby
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you are splitting hairs Babar...and singling ME out of this entire thread...as usual....Your obsession with me is growing tiresome.
"Groink" question: IF you dedicated urself 100%(train, eat, drugs, sleep, etc) to earning a Pro card, could you obtain one? If so, how long would the process take?
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That depends on what you mean by "easy". It was easy for Ronnie to win the Olympia in 99, but not easy to get to that level of muscularity.
To put it in another way, I'd say Groink has a much better chance of turning pro than the majority (~ 90%) of the guys here.
As I expected you didn't answer the question :) or chose to answer the simple question with a counter-question to avoid simply answering it, but its not a big deal.
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me? No fucking way....I'm 44 years old dude. I could probably do some damage at a master's show if I hit the shit
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All glory days...all glory dayzzzzz
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To answer Babar's question.....of course it would be "easy". You hang your whole argument on a word I threw in for emphasis....completely ignoring the crux of the argument.....you are an obstinate fool
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To answer Babar's question.....of course it would be "easy". You hang your whole argument on a word I threw in for emphasis....completely ignoring the crux of the argument.....you are an obstinate fool
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meant...."wouldn't be easy" posting from a mobile...ack
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Large groin on 'che' destroyin profesional ...(no homo)
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As I expected you didn't answer the question :) or chose to answer the simple question with a counter-question to avoid simply answering it, but its not a big deal.
I did answer it. You asked if I think if Groink could easily become pro and I said that he has a better chance than most people here if he puts in the work, takes the requisite stack and what not.
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meant...."wouldn't be easy" posting from a mobile...ack
Brutal backpeddling from the original delusional statement
I did answer it. You asked if I think if Groink could easily become pro and I said that he has a better chance than most people here if he puts in the work, takes the requisite stack and what not.
Again you're not answering the question, but like I said its not a big deal. I know what you're saying.
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any man over 5'2" who is willing to take the drugs, train and eat the right way, and to live in a 3rd world country for a yr to get his card. they just dont give them out in the states. probably harder to get a pro bowlers card.
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Not many have the structure to become a pro, then you need to be able to build mass and have a body that can get ripped, how many have this?
Even at the elite level guys are missing things. Wolf is incredible but has holes in his physique, structures on some guys arn't the best but they can build a lot of mass and get ripped (Munzer).
I compare it to what i saw watching a tennis game live a few weeks ago. World no. 42 vs no 62. Even in a much more popular sport with much more money at stake no. 42 had consistentcy and decent shots but no big shots. no 62 had some big shots but mentally wasn't there and made too many mistakes. Federer is kind of like Ronnie, just an absolute freak among great players who look like they have it all but there was always one better.
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While I don't think it's realistic to say that anyone can be a pro, but I also think that all you need is average genetics for putting on muscle. The most difficult thing about becoming a pro (politics excluded) is contest prep., thats why you see so many guys try time and time again. When you are a walking pharmacy and there are so many variables besides just food and training it can be pretty fucking difficult. Thats why there are so many pre contest gurus out there that make good money doing what they do. And yes we have all seen the guys that use and still look like shit, but do any of us know what their training is like, their diet, did they have at least 2-3 years of natural lifting under their belt or did they start using as soon as they picked up a barbell. Just about anyone has the mental capacity to make an omlette but I guarantee you that there are morons out there that could manage to fuck it up.
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Che claimed he was white, now he is black!!!????
Did you pull the opposite of an MJ?? ;D
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I'm a firm believer that genetics G4P play a tremendous role in BB...drugs are just the finishing touches in most cases. Bone structure, proportions, insertions, muscle bellies, etc. are not helped by drugs. Therefore, I truely believe that out of 10k gym rats perhaps only 1 or 2 would have what it takes to be an elite IFBB pro....take into account the commitment, discipline, etc that must exist with training, eating, sleeping, etc.....
I def. don't qualify due to my poor proportions, wide waste, narrow shldrs, long torso, etc...I could jump on a ton of drugs and come nowhere near the caliber of any pro.... I frequently see a couple of IFBB Pro's and it's always a cold reminder that no matter what, I can never look like them.
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do you find that the winners of state NPC shows that proceed to the nationals are the ones who don't have jobs? Generally the only bodybuilders who dont need jobs are the ones who succeeded while having to work, and once they achieve a physique that allows them to earn money from it they can then focus on bb full-time, but only after beating hundreds of others along the way, almost all of whom also had full-time jobs.
For example when becoming a pro Nasser was in university full-time and worked and paid for his tuition and contest prep all by himself.
Would be funny to see if you guys would tell someone like hazbin or evilangel, great bodybuilders who didn't quite make pro, that large percentages of the population can become a pro if they simply took the drugs needed lol
Again, you dont need a "God given Talent " To become a pro BBer, With average genetics the right "supps" ,smart trainning, and the DEDICATION you can become PRO in about 10 years or so ...most of the people I know has done so...unless you have the genetics of say Bob Chick that took him like 25 or 30 years but hes not the rule in this case.
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Che claimed he was white, now he is black!!!????
Did you pull the opposite of an MJ?? ;D
??? I'm not black.
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People give pros too much credit............Id say a LARGE percentage of the population could become pros......its just a matter of how far someone wants to take their "weightlifting hobby"........it takes a lot of time, money, and effort to become a pro bodybuilder............b ut for what??
All we see are the guys who took their hobby to the next level, thats all.
"Flexngsteele"...you have done a show or 2 if I'm not mistaking...as far as I know and suspect, you're a natty correct? With that being said, could you become an IFBB Pro by dedicating yourself to the "lifestyle", including drug use of course? Is it truely just a matter of choice to parley your "weightlifting hobby" into becoming a Pro? Hypothetically you have a ton of $$, access to ALL drugs, food, sleep, training, etc...would you be a slam dunk Pro card BB?
This exact same scenario goes out to everyone who says it basically just comes down to a choice. "Che" and "Groink" are the only posters who have answered. Let's hear from rest of you delusionites!
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Soooo, for the guys who r sayin 85,95,99% of people could be Pro BB if only they choose to be.....each n every one of you could be an IFBB Pro if you wanted to, right? Let's hear you say it. I want just one of u to say that the ONLY reason ur not a pro bb is because you have chosen not to. Hahaha! Come on, let's hear you!
Good post....these twinks must be in the 5% of population that has no business trying to earn a pro card ::)
They all say it simply comes down to just a choice to turn pro, yet NONE of them are willing to say they could be a pro if they truely desired to diet, train, use drugs, etc.....HAHA! What a bunch of slack-jawwed f@ggots
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Looks like someone forgot to switch accounts
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Looks like someone forgot to switch accounts
Nah, just my clever way of bumping my own thread ;)....STILL nobody has come forward to say they have simply chosen not to be a Pro bodybuilder...being that all it takes is willpower and drugs ::)....
I consider this a brutal pwning beyond epic proportions
I consider myself in the 99% category of NEVER being able to earn a pro card no matter how dedicated I was.
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I'd say 5-10%. Others are flawed someway or another, including myself that is.
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I'd say 5-10%. Others are flawed someway or another, including myself that is.
Better....at least we're getting a little more realistic. Some of these fools ACTUALLY think that if they simply train, eat, use same gear as Darrem Charles that they'll look similar to him! How in the f%ck can ANYONE think like this?! I am fliped!
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I'd say around that too....IMO if you had 100 guys in a room, about 10 have the genetics to develop a pro- caliber physique. which is a far cry from the "one in a million" that gets thrown around. You need VERY GOOD genetics, but not needle in a haystack genetics
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To sum it up, how can you unequivocally say everyone couldn't do it...if everyone doesn't even try to do it.
???...I'm a little confused...sounds like a bit of backtracking to me.
Anyway, "Groink", you profess that you EASILY have the genetic makeup to be a slam-dunk Pro BB, correct? I'll have to take your word for it, because the only pics I've seen of you are a couple of close up isolated leg shots in bathroom, standing fully clothed long pants, baggy t-shirt in gym, and jeans/sweatshirt sitting on some baby mama's couch after night of porking her. Basically, all I've seen are a pair of big ass arms.
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Bahh, that's a load of bullshit..elite genetics, etc. LOL..
if Kamali can turn pro, ANYONE can.
Kamali has great genetics when you look at his early pictures
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Good post....these twinks must be in the 5% of population that has no business trying to earn a pro card ::)
They all say it simply comes down to just a choice to turn pro, yet NONE of them are willing to say they could be a pro if they truely desired to diet, train, use drugs, etc.....HAHA! What a bunch of slack-jawwed f@ggots
Epic gimmick. How many freaking gimmicks do people have on here?
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I'm not backtracking.....i've been saying that pros aren't "genetic gods" the whole time. I just put a number on it. IMO you go to any inner city park and you will find a couple of potential Flex Wheelers playing ball. He not some chosen God....Hes just a dude with good BGG's who took it as far as he could. The funny thing about Bodybuilding is it attracts people to it that really aren't cut out for it.
Half of Getbig probably looks like they never touched a weight in their life.
And BTW....just admit you fucked up switching accounts. "quoting myself".....please
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I'm not backtracking.....i've been saying that pros aren't "genetic gods" the whole time. I just put a number on it. IMO you go to any inner city park and you will find a couple of potential Flex Wheelers playing ball. He not some chosen God....Hes just a dude with good BGG's who took it as far as he could. The funny thing about Bodybuilding is it attracts people to it that really aren't cut out for it.
Half of Getbig probably looks like they never touched a weight in their life.
And BTW....just admit you fucked up switching accounts. "quoting myself".....please
Most bodybuiders start for a reason of poor self image or to overcome a issue. Nice post.
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I'd say around that too....IMO if you had 100 guys in a room, about 10 have the genetics to develop a pro- caliber physique. which is a far cry from the "one in a million" that gets thrown around. You need VERY GOOD genetics, but not needle in a haystack genetics
I can agree that 5-10% have the genetics to build a pro-caliber physique, but also depending on where you earn it, in what weight class, etc. It's not as hard to get a pro card from winning Mr. Nigeria in the welterweight category for example, and much harder as a heavyweight at the USA's. so when I was saying less than 1% I'm talking about the top 10 or so bodybuilders in the world, not just any pro. If even 10% have the genetics to become a pro (as you say) then still less than 1% of those will be able become top tier (since much less than 10% of bodybuilders with a pro card get top 10 at an Olympia. 10% x 10% = 1%)
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Epic gimmick. How many freaking gimmicks do people have on here?
Come on, you know I'm not a gimmick....I just wanted to show my earlier post again to make fun of everyone who say it's just a matter of choice for most people....no gimmick buddy!
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If it was easy,we`d all have pro caliber physiques.
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If it was easy,we`d all have pro caliber physiques.
But some of us want to be/or are cage fighters :-\
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If it was easy,we`d all have pro caliber physiques.
I'm almost there - been eating kale greens and molasses while posting standing up for nearly 3 days now, and my legs are starting to look like Paul DeMayo's :o ;D
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Good work Kiwi......Iv'e been posting while holding my laptop over my head and my arms are exploding with new muscle fibers
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Good work Kiwi......Iv'e been posting while holding my laptop over my head and my arms are exploding with new muscle fibers
Good, because God knows you need some muscle in those arms ;D
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I'm almost there - been eating kale greens and molasses while posting standing up for nearly 3 days now, and my legs are starting to look like Paul DeMayo's :o ;D
Adding some Dead Sea salt and formaldehyde to that stack oughta see you standing on the Olympia stage, bro. Thank me later. ;D
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Good post....these twinks must be in the 5% of population that has no business trying to earn a pro card ::)
They all say it simply comes down to just a choice to turn pro, yet NONE of them are willing to say they could be a pro if they truely desired to diet, train, use drugs, etc.....HAHA! What a bunch of slack-jawwed f@ggots
Good post....these twinks mu........OOOPS!!!! Looks like me gimmick is at it again...sorry, please forgive ::)
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Adding some Dead Sea salt and formaldehyde to that stack oughta see you standing on the Olympia stage, bro. Thank me later. ;D
You're cool, but no paintcan, sorry.
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If it was easy,we`d all have pro caliber physiques.
No, no, no...."Wes", you're missing the whole point. The guys are saying that it just comes down to a simple choice of not wanting to put in all of the needed work to become a slam-dunk pro. To them, all it takes is drugs and training to be standing next to an IFBB Pro....they simply choose not to. They have 2 arms, 2 legs, chest, back, etc...fill those up with drugs, train, eat, sleep, and 90% are receiving Pro BB cards ::).....My head is hurting
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Adding some Dead Sea salt and formaldehyde to that stack oughta see you standing on the Olympia stage, bro. Thank me later. ;D
Are you saying this would also work for Danny Devito?
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Are you saying this would also work for Danny Devito?
By most accounts, Danny DeVito could've upped teh dosage, trained, ate and been a Pro BB 30 yrs ago if only he wanted to. I think he missed his calling. ::)
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No, no, no...."Wes", you're missing the whole point. The guys are saying that it just comes down to a simple choice of not wanting to put in all of the needed work to become a slam-dunk pro. To them, all it takes is drugs and training to be standing next to an IFBB Pro....they simply choose not to. They have 2 arms, 2 legs, chest, back, etc...fill those up with drugs, train, eat, sleep, and 90% are receiving Pro BB cards ::).....My head is hurting
You seem to be of the opinion that being a Bodybuilder, a profession with huge health and lifestyle implications and no monetary reward, is a profession that people covet. Do most people have Serge Oliva genetics? No. Do most pro's? No. All that has been rewarded in bodybuilding the last few decades is size, irrespective of structure or underlying genetics. A large percentage could reach current pro standards. Jay Cutler is Mr. Olympia... ::)
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You seem to be of the opinion that being a Bodybuilder, a profession with huge health and lifestyle implications and no monetary reward, is a profession that people covet. Do most people have Serge Oliva genetics? No. Do most pro's? No. All that has been rewarded in bodybuilding the last few decades is size, irrespective of structure or underlying genetics. A large percentage could reach current pro standards. Jay Cutler is Mr. Olympia... ::)
You, like a lot of others here, are implying that the main variable in becoming a current Pro BB card holder is simply a matter of taking more drugs. I fully understand that most people, including myself, have no interest in achieving this look. Even if Cutler and others were a dedicated natty, they would still look much better(BB standards) than most dedicated gear users in terms of structure, proportions, insertions, etc....So, my argument stems from those in the minority who have the genetic foundation and the majority who don't.
The next time you're in the gym, survey(no homo) the 18-40 yr old men and make an unbiased tally of who truely posesses the basic, genetic foundation that a Darrem Charles has. Seriously, give it a try.
"Valane" question: are you in the "large percentage" who could reach current pro standards? If so, are you saying the ONLY reason you're not a Pro card holder is b/c you simply don't care to put in the effort?
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If it was easy,we`d all have pro caliber physiques.
True, although it is safe to say that most of us do have or able to have (if we want to) better physiques than wes ;)
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You, like a lot of others here, are implying that the main variable in becoming a current Pro BB card holder is simply a matter of taking more drugs. I fully understand that most people, including myself, have no interest in achieving this look. Even if Cutler and others were a dedicated natty, they would still look much better(BB standards) than most dedicated gear users in terms of structure, proportions, insertions, etc....So, my argument stems from those in the minority who have the genetic foundation and the majority who don't.
The next time you're in the gym, survey(no homo) the 18-40 yr old men and make an unbiased tally of who truely posesses the basic, genetic foundation that a Darrem Charles has. Seriously, give it a try.
"Valane" question: are you in the "large percentage" who could reach current pro standards? If so, are you saying the ONLY reason you're not a Pro card holder is b/c you simply don't care to put in the effort?
you are assuming that the main argument, the main reason for the opinion that most people can become pro if they wanted to, is that we(those who partake in such an opinion) think that steroids are miracle drugs that will make anyone huge and shredded.
and that they will work for everyone just as well as they will work for the pros, and if they dont work as well they could just take a bit more and then get the same results.
HOWEVER
while it does at the surface seem that this is the key argument, and in fact it actually is the key argument. and its a truthful argument without error either. there is no doubt that it is true that every human being has almost identical genetics, and all have very similar potentialities.
BUT
here is where a main difference lies, the belief in their own ability. simply having an ability or potential does nothign to make that ability or potential a reality. for nothing is real unless it exists, and nothing can exist without it being percievable in some way, and if an entity does not percieve and can not percieve of itself to ever be a certain way, then it will be in essence preventing itself from ever seeing that potential come to fruition.
"self defeating prophecy"
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We can go back and forth forever....I think tbat pro BBers do have very good genetics. Point is there are a lot of people with good genetics.
If every kid that wanted to be a pro Quarterback wanted to be a pro BBer instead.....there would be a lot of dudes as big as Nasser running around
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you are assuming that the main argument, the main reason for the opinion that most people can become pro if they wanted to, is that we(those who partake in such an opinion) think that steroids are miracle drugs that will make anyone huge and shredded.
and that they will work for everyone just as well as they will work for the pros, and if they dont work as well they could just take a bit more and then get the same results.
HOWEVER
while it does at the surface seem that this is the key argument, and in fact it actually is the key argument. and its a truthful argument without error either. there is no doubt that it is true that every human being has almost identical genetics, and all have very similar potentialities.
BUT
here is where a main difference lies, the belief in their own ability. simply having an ability or potential does nothign to make that ability or potential a reality. for nothing is real unless it exists, and nothing can exist without it being percievable in some way, and if an entity does not percieve and can not percieve of itself to ever be a certain way, then it will be in essence preventing itself from ever seeing that potential come to fruition.
"self defeating prophecy"
"Tbomz" the philosophical prophet! ;D
From most opinions on here, including your own, you should have NO problen earning your Pro card. You mentioned "will" in another post and how 98% of people have the potential to earn this card. So, 98% of the population can simply "will" their way to a Pro BB card? WTF?! What happens when you come up short? You would then consider yourself in the 2% range? Holy Jeeeezus!
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"Tbomz" the philosophical prophet! ;D
From most opinions on here, including your own, you should have NO problen earning your Pro card. You mentioned "will" in another post and how 98% of people have the potential to earn this card. So, 98% of the population can simply "will" their way to a Pro BB card? WTF?! What happens when you come up short? You would then consider yourself in the 2% range? Holy Jeeeezus!
one must combine will+desire+ability+commitment+follow through.
bodybuilding demands consistancy first and foremost. without consistant belief and consistant effort, he potnetial is lost.
if you combine both of those, and then you still cant achieve it, then youll be in the small minority who cant.
the 1-3% number was an off the top guesstimate. probably inaccurate, or at leats not precise. the argument is that the vast majority do hol the potnetial, as all human beings do have very similar potnetials (most people are vastly underestimating their own potentials, even those who most people are probably thinking are overestimating thiers)
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one must combine will+desire+ability+commitment+follow through.
bodybuilding demands consistancy first and foremost. without consistant belief and consistant effort, he potnetial is lost.
if you combine both of those, and then you still cant achieve it, then youll be in the small minority who cant.
the 1-3% number was an off the top guesstimate. probably inaccurate, or at leats not precise. the argument is that the vast majority do hol the potnetial, as all human beings do have very similar potnetials (most people are vastly underestimating their own potentials, even those who most people are probably thinking are overestimating thiers)
I'll put a distinct number on it.....1% of population has the basic genetic foundation needed to earn a Pro card.......99% of people, no matter how disciplined, committed they are would be wasting their fooking time...period!
your "vast majority" will learn what reality means after chasing the dream for 20 yrs! I know I sound like a hater and bitter...I'm really not either...I just see things with a grain of reality...that's all.
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all human beings do have very similar potnetials
Nope. Whether it's your capacity for intelligence or your height or your ability to successfully bodybuild or whatever, the pattern among the population is always the bell shaped curve, with a few individuals who are on both the extreme ends and the majority of the population being in between.
That's why among the thousands of pro bodybuilders, you'll only find one Ronnie Coleman or Dorian Yates, even though (I'm sure) there are tons of pros out there who train harder & / or juice more than those two. In any field, the number of individuals who are extremely successful are vastly outnumbered by the ones who can't make it or are just average. It's the same thing with bodybuilding.
A lot of the people out there can put on a fair bit of size if they lift and juice right, but still won't come close to looking like Mr Olympia or anyone from the top 10. Look at guys like Mike Arvilla, who train their heart out and are passionate about the sport - their genetic limitation will never let them turn pro. And Mike is well above average when it comes to muscularity.
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its an undebatable fact of science that all humans are 99.9% identical in terms of DNA. and by DNA of course we are talking about the blue prints for the construction of the human body. so yes, the vast majority of people DO indeed have almost identical potential.
this is not to say that the vast majority of people are very similar to eachother in terms of how they express their potential in reality, but only that most people have similar possible future realities...
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its an undebatable fact of science that all humans are 99.9% identical in terms of DNA. and by DNA of course we are talking about the blue prints for the construction of the human body. so yes, the vast majority of people DO indeed have almost identical potential.
this is not to say that the vast majority of people are very similar to eachother in terms of how they express their potential in reality, but only that most people have similar possible future realities...
LMAO! Humans and chimps have around 98% identical DNA, so are you saying we are almost identical to them potentially? As mentioned, the distribution of any trait follows the standard bell shaped curve, which is why 99.9% of humans aren't "almost identical" when it comes to things like height or brain power.
If we're talking about height, for example, you have some extremely tall people and some extremely short people, with the majority of the human population having an average height, which is further dependent (to a much lesser extent) on factors such as race, the environment they grew up in and so on.
Going by your logic, 99.9% of bodybuilders should look like Ronnie Coleman, because they all workout and juice and what not. But that's far from the truth. What you are doing is taking the genetic make up, which is FAR from being understood, and trying to correlate it to the phenotype of an organism (in this case, humans) and acting like nothing else comes into play, lol ;D That's nothing more than a non-sequitur, cause it doesn't work that way.
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Bob Cicherillo is about as "average Joe" as it gets, but there are few who share Chic's desire and determination. Thus Bob´s pro card can be attributed to his desire to devour copious amounts of drugs and his determination to don a glittery thong.
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Bodybuilders are damn lazy when it comes to training. Who knows how big they could be if they really trained. Same with majority of trainers.
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Bob Cicherillo is about as "average Joe" as it gets, but there are few who share Chic's desire and determination. Thus Bob´s pro card can be attributed to his desire to devour copious amounts of drugs and his determination to don a glittery thong.
even in your lame attempt to be witty, you contradict yourself...I was far from "average Joe" as my photos from age 13 will support.
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BigBobs,the day you have a better physique than I do,I`ll leave this board for good.
Christ,you haven`t seen your abs in decades,skinny fat small arms,never posted a legshot,where`s your delts........should I go on?
Nasser is a has been by the way! ;D
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bob is not average, what kid looks the way he did as a teen?
if so many people could be pros there wouldn't be hundreds of guys competing in the nationals without a pro card
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BigBobs,the day you have a better physique than I do,I`ll leave this board for good.
Christ,you haven`t seen your abs in decades,skinny fat small arms,never posted a legshot,where`s your delts........should I go on?
Nasser is a has been by the way! ;D
Making stuff up = Meltdown :)
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No meltdown bro.........just the fizacts!
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No meltdown bro.........just the fizacts!
ah well, your opinion differs from most of getbig and pics I've posted. I won't flame back because its in my culture not to disrespect senior citizens ;)
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No meltdown bro.........just the fizacts!
I am imaginining a 58 yo mature individual sitting in front of the computer writing " No meltdown bro.........just the fizacts! "
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I am imaginining a 58 yo mature individual sitting in front of the computer writing " No meltdown bro.........just the fizacts! "
Must have picked it up from the grandkids ;D
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Just kidding around with you wes ;)
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Wes owns the shit out of you.
You suffer from delusion...Just because your little circle jerk buddies praise you doesn't make it true
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Wes owns the shit out of you.
You suffer from delusion...Just because your little circle jerk buddies praise you doesn't make it true
Guess that makes you a circle jerk buddy? ::)
You are looking solid Bobs. it's obvious you are a serious lifter, not a typical getbigger who doesn't even have a gym membership
Looking swole from the back Bobs
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LMAO! Humans and chimps have around 98% identical DNA, so are you saying we are almost identical to them potentially? As mentioned, the distribution of any trait follows the standard bell shaped curve, which is why 99.9% of humans aren't "almost identical" when it comes to things like height or brain power.
If we're talking about height, for example, you have some extremely tall people and some extremely short people, with the majority of the human population having an average height, which is further dependent (to a much lesser extent) on factors such as race, the environment they grew up in and so on.
Going by your logic, 99.9% of bodybuilders should look like Ronnie Coleman, because they all workout and juice and what not. But that's far from the truth. What you are doing is taking the genetic make up, which is FAR from being understood, and trying to correlate it to the phenotype of an organism (in this case, humans) and acting like nothing else comes into play, lol ;D That's nothing more than a non-sequitur, cause it doesn't work that way.
ronnie coleman believed in his mind and heart that god's purpose for him in life was to be the biggest bodybuilder the planet had ever seen. he felt it was is his destiny. his belief in his own ability to build muscle was completely concrete in his mind.
every pro bodybuilder, every person with a decent physique, first BELIEVED that it was possible for them to atain that body, and only after that belief resided inside them did they then become able to actually achieve that body.
100% of weighlifters look like what they think they are able to look like.
1-5% of weightlifters think they can look like a pro bodybuilder.
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I was being nice.....occasionally I'll say something positive about someone who can't put on any real muscle (even with gear). It gives them encouragement.
BTW....monster post stalking...you are a creepy dude.
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I was being nice.....occasionally I'll say something positive about someone who can't put on any real muscle (even with gear). It gives them encouragement.
BTW....monster post stalking...you are a creepy dude.
Translation = You started posting negatively out of anger when you didnt get the comments you expected after you posted your topless pic finally. Why don't you post it in the thread on which getbiggers have pro potential to see how it matches up against the others posting there? After all, you did say you can easily become a pro if you wanted to ;)
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I don't care what you and your little band of homos thinks of me.
I don't even click on your gay thread anymore, it has become such a circle-jerk I'm afraid I might get hit with some muslim cum.
Funny you mention the other "potential" thread as nobody mentioned your name.....legless pepperoni-nipples.
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I don't care what you and your little band of homos thinks of me.
I don't even click on your gay thread anymore, it has become such a circle-jerk I'm afraid I might get hit with some muslim cum.
Funny you mention the other "potential" thread as nobody mentioned your name.....legless pepperoni-nipples.
^^^ Easiest guy to make melt on getbig.
....pepperoni belly button :D
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Meltdown.....please.
Your entire Getbig existence is one non-stop Nasser meltdown.
How bout another pic of those things you call "legs"?
Maybe even try standing up this time
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Meltdown.....LOL
Your entire Getbig existence is one non-stop Nasser meltdown.
How bout another pic of those things you call "legs"?
Maybe even try standing up this timeo
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ronnie coleman believed in his mind and heart that god's purpose for him in life was to be the biggest bodybuilder the planet had ever seen. he felt it was is his destiny. his belief in his own ability to build muscle was completely concrete in his mind.
every pro bodybuilder, every person with a decent physique, first BELIEVED that it was possible for them to atain that body, and only after that belief resided inside them did they then become able to actually achieve that body.
100% of weighlifters look like what they think they are able to look like.
1-5% of weightlifters think they can look like a pro bodybuilder.
You sound like Johnny Falcon now, lol. What has belief got to do with your claiming 99.9% of all people are identical to each other because 99.9% of their genetic make up is the same? If you're trying to say belief in oneself is all that is needed or the determining factor, that's not true either. If you have the capacity to become pro and you put in the requisite work and all that, you will become successful, and believing in yourself will also play a part.
But a pygmy who believes wholeheartedly that he can be the best NBA player or a person who really BELIEVES they can fly if they jump off the top of the Eiffel tower aren't going to do it simply because of their belief.
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You sound like Johnny Falcon now, lol. What has belief got to do with your claiming 99.9% of all people are identical to each other because 99.9% of their genetic make up is the same? If you're trying to say belief in oneself is all that is needed or the determining factor, that's not true either. If you have the capacity to become pro and you put in the requisite work and all that, you will become successful, and believing in yourself will also play a part.
But a pygmy who believes wholeheartedly that he can be the best NBA player or a person who really BELIEVES they can fly if they jump off the top of the Eiffel tower aren't going to do it simply because of their belief.
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You sound like Johnny Falcon now, lol. What has belief got to do with your claiming 99.9% of all people are identical to each other because 99.9% of their genetic make up is the same? If you're trying to say belief in oneself is all that is needed or the determining factor, that's not true either. If you have the capacity to become pro and you put in the requisite work and all that, you will become successful, and believing in yourself will also play a part.
But a pygmy who believes wholeheartedly that he can be the best NBA player or a person who really BELIEVES they can fly if they jump off the top of the Eiffel tower aren't going to do it simply because of their belief.
now weve gotten to the core issue: faith.
youd be suprised what belief can accomplish.
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youd be suprised what belief can accomplish.
Not at all. I'm all for cliched pearls of wisdom, lol.
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http://www.flicklife.com/77b16a03aa81f09499f2/Man_With_A_Tail.html
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Best thing about this thread is halfway through when Dov changes character and starts insulting everyone, right after the confusion where he quoted himself!
That said, I'd have to say the percentage must be very low. Most people with any talent whatsoever do not get into drug-fuelled bodybuilding as they pursue actual careers. However, of the tiny percentage of idiots who injest huge stacks of drugs most just look like bloated,Palumbized, bitch-titted sadsters who are born to lose. Only a few of an already tiny percent will have the genetic response to drugs that is needed to be a pro thongman.
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now weve gotten to the core issue: faith.
youd be suprised what belief can accomplish.
Jeezus christ man, you're going waaaaay off the deep end....So, you're gonna pray your way to a Pro card? Seriously? Are you really saying that someone with short legs, long torso, narrow shldrs, wide hips, and 1/2 a brain can simply use their faith to obtain a Pro godamm BB card? You've totally fliped me...get the hell outta my thread. >:(
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Best thing about this thread is halfway through when Dov changes character and starts insulting everyone, right after the confusion where he quoted himself!
That said, I'd have to say the percentage must be very low. Most people with any talent whatsoever do not get into drug-fuelled bodybuilding as they pursue actual careers. However, of the tiny percentage of idiots who injest huge stacks of drugs most just look like bloated,Palumbized, bitch-titted sadsters who are born to lose. Only a few of an already tiny percent will have the genetic response to drugs that is needed to be a pro thongman.
I'm simply driving my point home...I wanted my previous post to be seen again. I'm too old for "gimmicks" of any sort..especially on a forum.
Anyway, at least you're not a delusionite like others on here....I find it amusing in the other thread about GBr's with potential...a lot of cocksucking in that thread, yet, NONE of them have sniffed a Pro card...a lot of shoul've, would've, could've....and that's not even counting dream chasers Goodrum and Arvilla...oh brother!
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the top 10 at the olympia always seems to be the same guys for at least 5 - 7 years
wouldn't that mean superior genetics?
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Not at all. I'm all for cliched pearls of wisdom, lol.
;D ;D yes quite cheesy arent I
Jeezus christ man, you're going waaaaay off the deep end....So, you're gonna pray your way to a Pro card? Seriously? Are you really saying that someone with short legs, long torso, narrow shldrs, wide hips, and 1/2 a brain can simply use their faith to obtain a Pro godamm BB card? You've totally fliped me...get the hell outta my thread. >:(
Did I say anything about prayer or god? just because i said faith doesnt imply faith in god. faith in ones own abilities. getting a pro card is simply a matter of getting all your muscles extremely developed then getting yoru bodyfat extremely low... even with horrible structure youll still get a pro card if you accomplish this. and everybody is capable fo accomplishing it if they A) believe they can do it, b)know how to do it, c) take the necessary action to do it
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everybody is capable fo accomplishing it if they A) believe they can do it, b)know how to do it, c) take the necessary action to do it
Bullshit Republican propaganda
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I'm a firm believer that genetics play a tremendous role in BB...drugs are just the finishing touches in most cases. Bone structure, proportions, insertions, muscle bellies, etc. are not helped by drugs. Therefore, I truely believe that out of 10k gym rats perhaps only 1 or 2 would have what it takes to be an elite IFBB pro....take into account the commitment, discipline, etc that must exist with training, eating, sleeping, etc.....
I def. don't qualify due to my poor proportions, wide waste, narrow shldrs, long torso, etc...I could jump on a ton of drugs and come nowhere near the caliber of any pro.... I frequently see a couple of IFBB Pro's and it's always a cold reminder that no matter what, I can never look like them.
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The people who are predisposed to being the best bodybuilders are those who will never actually set foot on stage, in most cases. Look at all of the guys in the NFL who eat crap and hardly know how to weight train other than the two days of the week they are doing football-purpose lifts. Also, I've seen guys who look like they are avid lifters and look better than 99% of people at the gym, yet they never touch a weight because they already look better than most anyone else. The gym rats are usually people trying to overcome less than great genetics or have an inferiority complex.
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Best thing about this thread is halfway through when Dov changes character and starts insulting everyone, right after the confusion where he quoted himself!
That said, I'd have to say the percentage must be very low. Most people with any talent whatsoever do not get into drug-fuelled bodybuilding as they pursue actual careers. However, of the tiny percentage of idiots who injest huge stacks of drugs most just look like bloated,Palumbized, bitch-titted sadsters who are born to lose. Only a few of an already tiny percent will have the genetic response to drugs that is needed to be a pro thongman.
QFT. Good stuff, TG.
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;D ;D yes quite cheesy arent I
Did I say anything about prayer or god? just because i said faith doesnt imply faith in god. faith in ones own abilities. getting a pro card is simply a matter of getting all your muscles extremely developed then getting yoru bodyfat extremely low... even with horrible structure youll still get a pro card if you accomplish this. and everybody is capable fo accomplishing it if they A) believe they can do it, b)know how to do it, c) take the necessary action to do it
Seriously, 99.9% of people throughout decades have done this and came nowhere near obtaining a Pro card. Is it because they had no faith in themselves? No, it's because they did'nt have the genetic foundation NECESSARY for Pro status. Are you SO egotistical and self righteous that you believe that you possess a certain faith that the failed 99.9% don't? Serious question.
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Seriously, 99.9% of people throughout decades have done this and came nowhere near obtaining a Pro card. Is it because they had no faith in themselves? No, it's because they did'nt have the genetic foundation NECESSARY for Pro status. Are you SO egotistical and self righteous that you believe that you possess a certain faith that the failed 99.9% don't? Serious question.
you questions indicates that you think that i think that i can be or am going to be a professional bodybuilder.
but i never said that did i?
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you questions indicates that you think that i think that i can be or am going to be a professional bodybuilder.
but i never said that did i?
Do you have aspirations of becoming a Pro BB?
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Do you have aspirations of becoming a Pro BB?
not really.i think it would be amazing and id love that experience, but its not a goal of mine, although at one time i did think it was. i like to look good, workout my muscles, flex and squeeze my muscles, see changes in my body, sometimes the challenge of dieting is fun because its a mental strength builder...and i also like the respect and admiration a big body recieves..
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not really.i think it would be amazing and id love that experience, but its not a goal of mine, although at one time i did think it was. i like to look good, workout my muscles, flex and squeeze my muscles, see changes in my body, sometimes the challenge of dieting is fun because its a mental strength builder...and i also like the respect and admiration a big body recieves..
Forgive me, for I thought you had your heart set on becoming a Pro...I, too, enjoy the above mentioned aspects of training.
However, that still does'nt change your thoughts on how easy you say it is to become a Pro. You and I disagree 100%...I feel that ONLY the genetically inclined few can achieve Pro status while you say 98% of folks have potential to earn a Pro card through faith, will, and choice....I will NEVER agree with your irrationalities.
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Bomz, I think a lot of us GetBiggers were counting on you to turn Pro and just might be disappointed about your statement not to make an attempt at a Pro Card.
Does that also mean that you have no intent to compete in any amateur contest within the next few years?
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"Tbomz" has witnessed the harsh light of reality first hand apparantly because he did have strong aspirations of becoming a Pro. Pipe-dreams
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I didnt say that I wouldnt become a Pro bodybuilder, I only said it wasnt a goal of mine. :)
there are far more important things in life than that, so it is not a priorty.
although i do realise that it is necessary to make eating and lifting part of my everyday life, as i always have done, and as i will always continue to do. 8)
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I didnt say that I wouldnt become a Pro bodybuilder, I only said it wasnt a goal of mine. :)
there are far more important things in life than that, so it is not a priorty.
although i do realise that it is necessary to make eating and lifting part of my everyday life, as i always have done, and as i will always continue to do. 8)
Sooooo, you may possibly become a Pro BB without it even being a goal? Your genetics must be 1 in a million if that's the case. Are you doing street drugs again? Serious ?
Are you saying there's a possibility of going Pro without any "will" or "faith"? Or is it a matter of you just having freaky genetics?
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Sooooo, you may possibly become a Pro BB without it even being a goal? Your genetics must be 1 in a million if that's the case. Are you doing street drugs again? Serious ?
Are you saying there's a possibility of going Pro without any "will" or "faith"? Or is it a matter of you just having freaky genetics?
Just because I dont have the goal of becoming a pro bodybuilder doesnt mean I am not trying to make my body as muscular as possible, I am. And It doesnt mean I dont have faith in my abilities, I do.
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So, you continue to punp ur body full of Pro sized stacks of gear without trying to become one of them? What's the point? Something has changed your attitude and focus over the past year bc I distinctly rmbr you having a Pro card goal. Is it a matter of reality bites, laziness, street drugs? What happened to derail your dream of becoming a Pro? It cañt be a matter of choosing to live a healthier lifestyle cause ur FULL of dangerous drugs. It HAS to be a matter of self realization that u aren't part of the 2% MINORITY who r genetically gifted, right?
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So, you continue to punp ur body full of Pro sized stacks of gear without trying to become one of them? What's the point? Something has changed your attitude and focus over the past year bc I distinctly rmbr you having a Pro card goal. Is it a matter of reality bites, laziness, street drugs? What happened to derail your dream of becoming a Pro? It cañt be a matter of choosing to live a healthier lifestyle cause ur FULL of dangerous drugs. It HAS to be a matter of self realization that u aren't part of the 2% MINORITY who r genetically gifted, right?
I really dont mind answering your questions abotu myself, however before I continue doing so I must know if you are taking this anywhere? If so proceed, if not id rather not waste my "breath" so to speak.
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Obviously I'm pressing the issue bc I think I'm right on my views of just how small the chances r for someone to obtain a Pro card...and I think u may the perfect example to b exploited.
U say MOST people(98% actually) can obtain a Pro status through will and determination. I say that's bullshit. until this thread you've always been a guy on GB who everyone thought had aspirations of becoming a Pro. All of a sudden uv had a change in this endeavor as far as we all know.
Seriously, what gives? Have u never wanted to be a pro? Do u still think its 98% up to will, faith, and determination and genetics literally play no role? Will u or won't u work towards a Pro card? When u fail like 99% of other aspiring BB's what will this mean?
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maybe many people can be a pro, but only a few can be a successful pro
look at the 90's, the top 5 - 7 was the same almost every year
only ronnie started out at the bottom and worked his way to the top, the others (dorian,flex, shawn, nasser, chris, lee, dillet, and Mr. Levrone) were top guys almost immediately when they became pros, they would've beaten most pros when they competed in junior nationals
their genetics were vastly superior to everybody elses, anybody can be huge and muscular but only the genetic elite place well
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maybe many people can be a pro, but only a few can be a successful pro
look at the 90's, the top 5 - 7 was the same almost every year
only ronnie started out at the bottom and worked his way to the top, the others (dorian,flex, shawn, nasser, chris, lee, dillet, and Mr. Levrone) were top guys almost immediately when they became pros, they would've beaten most pros when they competed in junior nationals
their genetics were vastly superior to everybody elses, anybody can be huge and muscular but only the genetic elite place well
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No, you're wrong and that's the point of this thread. Go smoke some dope with "Tbomz" and a lot of others here on GB.....Perhaps you will say it since nobody else will....If you committed urself 100% towards obtaining a Pro card(training, drugs, food, etc) could you achieve Pro status? Yes or no? Simple question
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maybe many people can be a pro, but only a few can be a successful pro
look at the 90's, the top 5 - 7 was the same almost every year
only ronnie started out at the bottom and worked his way to the top, the others (dorian,flex, shawn, nasser, chris, lee, dillet, and Mr. Levrone) were top guys almost immediately when they became pros, they would've beaten most pros when they competed in junior nationals
their genetics were vastly superior to everybody elses, anybody can be huge and muscular but only the genetic elite place well
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You got it. There are guys out there that are as big as those pro's as well but the muscle isn't distributed as well. Ronnie came from lower down but he was still a freak he just had so many other freaks around at that time to catch.
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No, you're wrong and that's the point of this thread. Go smoke some dope with "Tbomz" and a lot of others here on GB.....Perhaps you will say it since nobody else will....If you committed urself 100% towards obtaining a Pro card(training, drugs, food, etc) could you achieve Pro status? Yes or no? Simple question
i like how you ignored everything else i said, i think i clearly stated that genetics are what counts ::)
i do not think a pro that placed 24th at the pdi's night of champions has elite genetics, and i don't get the impression that any getbigger that posted pics tried to take their physique to that level
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i like how you ignored everything else i said, i think i clearly stated that genetics are what counts ::)
i do not think a pro that placed 24th at the pdi's night of champions has elite genetics, and i don't get the impression that any getbigger that posted pics tried to take their physique to that level
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I'm fully aware that there are some Pro's better than others. The Pro's that routinely finish last are still Pro card holders for a reason...they have received the Pro status because they possess far greater genetics than 98% of typical gymrats or 98% of GBr's. That's the crux of this debate. However, many delusionites on this forum think that 98% of population can train, drug, eat, sleep properly and earn a Pro card. I disagree 100%..that's all. Many GBr's HAVE chased the Pro card status and have, of course, failed miserably.
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U say MOST people(98% actually) can obtain a Pro status through will and determination.
He's saying that because he's naive and inexperienced.
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I'm fully aware that there are some Pro's better than others. The Pro's that routinely finish last are still Pro card holders for a reason...they have received the Pro status because they possess far greater genetics than 98% of typical gymrats or 98% of GBr's. That's the crux of this debate. However, many delusionites on this forum think that 98% of population can train, drug, eat, sleep properly and earn a Pro card. I disagree 100%..that's all. Many GBr's HAVE chased the Pro card status and have, of course, failed miserably.
I think the guys that place last don't realize they are wasting their time
a lot of amatuers probably could be a last place finisher at the iron man, they just quit when they realize it isn't worth it
many amatuers don't fail, they just quit, maybe they didn't believe they would be good or maybe it was just random "he looks gross" comments from strangers that killed their motivation to pursue it further
heck I remember Mr. Levrone saying if he didn't get at least 2nd at the 95 O he would quit, some people just lose interest when they don't reach their goals at a certain time
I don't know how many people can be a pro, but i do know only a few can be a successful pro
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He's saying that because he's naive and inexperienced.
I could easily assume that both you and dov have your opinions because youve both grown into adulthood and failed to become anything magnificant or out of the ordinary, and since when you were younger both of you always felt like youd probably become famous in some way, now you feel like its impossible for the ordinary person to achieve anything extraordinary unless they are extremely lucky. failing to realise it is yoru own fault that you didnt achieve some type of celebrity or great success, because you never went after it. those things dont just come to you.
But I would just be assuming, as you are about me.
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I could easily assume that both you and dov have your opinions because youve both grown into adulthood and failed to become anything magnificant or out of the ordinary, and since when you were younger both of you always felt like youd probably become famous in some way, now you feel like its impossible for the ordinary person to achieve anything extraordinary unless they are extremely lucky. failing to realise it is yoru own fault that you didnt achieve some type of celebrity or great success, because you never went after it. those things dont just come to you.
But I would just be assuming, as you are about me.
You're wrong. I could have been an IFBB pro or a top Hollywood star or President if I wanted to. I just chose not to.
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You're wrong. I could have been an IFBB pro or a top Hollywood star or President if I wanted to. I just chose not to.
Sadly your being sarcastic.. :-\
do you think that anyone ever got anywhere without first believing in themselves? There is only one logical way of thinking and that is to be self-assured, so long as there is adequate thought and reaosn put into ones opinions.
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I could easily assume that both you and dov have your opinions because youve both grown into adulthood and failed to become anything magnificant or out of the ordinary, and since when you were younger both of you always felt like youd probably become famous in some way, now you feel like its impossible for the ordinary person to achieve anything extraordinary unless they are extremely lucky. failing to realise it is yoru own fault that you didnt achieve some type of celebrity or great success, because you never went after it. those things dont just come to you.
But I would just be assuming, as you are about me.
Sorry pal, I've never desired fame...you've never seen my recognizable face. Can't say the same for you. I've had many life experiences with some good fortune and some shortcomings. This has made me an extremely level-headed realist.
You have yet to answer a very simple yes or no question, so, perhaps, it's you who is scared shitless to even attempt to become something "magnificent".
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You're wrong. I could have been an IFBB pro or a top Hollywood star or President if I wanted to. I just chose not to.
ahhhh, the power of a simple choice. Yeah, with just the right amount of will and faith, I should be able to go down to the beach and walk across water. ;D
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Sorry pal, I've never desired fame...you've never seen my recognizable face. Can't say the same for you. I've had many life experiences with some good fortune and some shortcomings. This has made me an extremely level-headed realist.
You have yet to answer a very simple yes or no question, so, perhaps, it's you who is scared shitless to even attempt to become something "magnificent".
arrogance is not a sign of level headedness.
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arrogance is not a sign of level headedness.
I'm solidified in my thoughts, beliefs, and feelings about the subject matter. That's not arrogance, that's reality...You seem to be almost lying to yourself with all of this "will" and "faith" bullshit...hell, you STILL cannot even answer a simple question...last chance:
If you commit yourself 100% to the BB lifestyle, will you be a slam dunk Pro card holder?
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Sadly your being sarcastic.. :-\
do you think that anyone ever got anywhere without first believing in themselves? There is only one logical way of thinking and that is to be self-assured, so long as there is adequate thought and reaosn put into ones opinions.
You're changing the course of discussion - this isn't what we were arguing about before. You made the erroneous statement that 99.9% of humans are identical to each other simply because 99.9% of our genetic makeup is the same, while ignoring the fact that that 0.1% difference is responsible for Pygmies on one end and NBA giants on the other, morons on one end and geniuses on the other, and so on.
You couldn't refute my statement about the bell shaped distribution of human traits and so, suddenly started talking about heart and will, saying that that's all it takes to achieve anything. As I mentioned before, heart and will plays a role, but only if someone has the capacity to achieve something in the first place and puts in the needed work, while having a good game plan.
A 4 foot pygmy can have all the heart and will in the world, but will never become the best player in the NBA. Same reason why guys like Mike Arvilla will never get a pro card no matter how hard they try or how passionate they are. It's all about genetics first and foremost. Chris Lund once said that if you combine Rich Gaspari's work ethics and will with Flex Wheeler's genetics, you'd get an unbeatable bodybuilder. Ask yourself why that should be, when according to you, all Rich Gaspari had to do was "will" his way into having rounder muscles and a better frame than Flex Wheeler.
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You're changing the course of discussion - this isn't what we were arguing about before. You made the erroneous statement that 99.9% of humans are identical to each other simply because 99.9% of our genetic makeup is the same, while ignoring the fact that that 0.1% difference is responsible for Pygmies on one end and NBA giants on the other, morons on one end and geniuses on the other, and so on.
You couldn't refute my statement about the bell shaped distribution of human traits and so, suddenly started talking about heart and will, saying that that's all it takes to achieve anything. As I mentioned before, heart and will plays a role, but only if someone has the capacity to achieve something in the first place and puts in the needed work, while having a good game plan.
A 4 foot pygmy can have all the heart and will in the world, but will never become the best player in the NBA. Same reason why guys like Mike Arvilla will never get a pro card no matter how hard they try or how passionate they are. It's all about genetics first and foremost. Chris Lund once said that if you combine Rich Gaspari's work ethics and will with Flex Wheeler's genetics, you'd get an unbeatable bodybuilder. Ask yourself why that should be, when according to you, all Rich Gaspari had to do was "will" his way into having rounder muscles and a better frame than Flex Wheeler.
No.
I said that 95+% of all people have the potential to be pro. I stated that humans are 99% genetically the same, because people see the huge variations in shape, size, color, strength, intelligence among humans and they start to get mislead about the similarities we all share. On the surface we all seem very different, but on the inside we are all created in the same mold, in the same universe with the same physical laws, with the same types of musculoskeletals and endocrine systems.
I then went on to explain why only a small percentage of dedicated bodybuilders ever become a pro, or look like one, if they all are capable of doing it.
that explanation lies in the power the mind has upon body processes.
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I'm solidified in my thoughts, beliefs, and feelings about the subject matter. That's not arrogance, that's reality...You seem to be almost lying to yourself with all of this "will" and "faith" bullshit...hell, you STILL cannot even answer a simple question...last chance:
If you commit yourself 100% to the BB lifestyle, will you be a slam dunk Pro card holder?
The arrogance I reffered to was that stemming from this statement: "extremely level headed". Such self descriptions arent necessarily arrogant however when they arent arrogant, they usually are prefaced with or postscripted with sometype of acknowledgement of ones subjectivity.
If, then it would depend upon my mind state during the attempt. If I knew it was going to happen, then it would.
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epic evasiveness
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epic evasiveness
the most accurate words are at times seemingly vague
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No.
I said that 95+% of all people have the potential to be pro. I stated that humans are 99% genetically the same, because people see the huge variations in shape, size, color, strength, intelligence among humans and they start to get mislead about the similarities we all share. On the surface we all seem very different, but on the inside we are all created in the same mold, in the same universe with the same physical laws, with the same types of musculoskeletals and endocrine systems.
I then went on to explain why only a small percentage of dedicated bodybuilders ever become a pro, or look like one, if they all are capable of doing it.
that explanation lies in the power the mind has upon body processes.
Again, you fail to grasp the concept of the bell shaped distribution by a country mile. No one is saying the genetic differences we have gives rise to different mechanisms for breathing or digesting food or whatever.
At least 95% of the population can never become pro NBA players or one of the top 100 boxers in the world or enter the Worlds Strongest man competition or anything else. It's the same with bodybuilding. If every male in the world did bodybuilding (lift hard, juice etc), you'd still have a very small number of guys who look outstanding due to their genetics, the majority having a so so shape and a small number of guys who look like dog shit.
No matter how much power the mind has upon body processes, it won't let someone like GetItOnNY look better than a guy like Flex Wheeler or make you have Ronnie Coleman's back.
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there is more than one ingredient BUT .... genetics are indispensable
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Correct Sevastase.
You can have all the "want to" in the world.....if you don't have the genes, you are shit out of luck.
PS Tbombz is just fucking with you guys IMO
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Like I said before, if kamali can do it, anyone can.