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I laughed when Shawn Ray used to whine about bodybuilders who competed at the Ironman being oppressed because they weren't being paid enough. ;D Yeah, because someone is forcing them to step on stage and compete for peanuts right? ::)
I laughed when Victor Martinez commented that bodybuilding.com should give money back to the bodybuilders because they are so successful.
I laughed when Steve Namat and GetItOnNY made similar comments that successful supplement companies should sponsor athletes bodybuilders with more money or that MD should pay money for photo shoots. ::)
Please - if you don't like the terms then just get lost. No one is forcing you to be a bodybuilder and to step on stage in a greasy thong and pose [no homo]. If you don't like the lack of money in the industry you are free to find another one. The audacity of these guys talking about getting paid more by private businesses as if it is a human right or something. :-X
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;D
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Are you really a racist Nazi or are those just vicious rumors?
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Are you really a racist Nazi or are those just vicious rumors?
I wouldn't call them vicious. ;D
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I wouldn't call them vicious. ;D
Oh my. So you are not a fan of this guy?
(http://bp1.blogger.com/_TKi7iMXAY0Y/RuZb7NPlOwI/AAAAAAAABVU/JWKHZi4ks1E/s400/al+jolson+black+face.jpg)
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Oh my. So you are not a fan of this guy?
(http://bp1.blogger.com/_TKi7iMXAY0Y/RuZb7NPlOwI/AAAAAAAABVU/JWKHZi4ks1E/s400/al+jolson+black+face.jpg)
He is white
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Oh my. So you are not a fan of this guy?
(http://bp1.blogger.com/_TKi7iMXAY0Y/RuZb7NPlOwI/AAAAAAAABVU/JWKHZi4ks1E/s400/al+jolson+black+face.jpg)
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He is white
I know, that's what makes it such a great question. ;)
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I laughed when Shawn Ray used to whine about bodybuilders who competed at the Ironman being oppressed because they weren't being paid enough. ;D Yeah, because someone is forcing them to step on stage and compete for peanuts right? ::)
I laughed when Victor Martinez commented that bodybuilding.com should give money back to the bodybuilders because they are so successful.
I laughed when Steve Namat and GetItOnNY made similar comments that successful supplement companies should sponsor athletes bodybuilders with more money or that MD should pay money for photo shoots. ::)
Please - if you don't like the terms then just get lost. No one is forcing you to be a bodybuilder and to step on stage in a greasy thong and pose [no homo]. If you don't like the lack of money in the industry you are free to find another one. The audacity of these guys talking about getting paid more by private businesses as if it is a human right or something. :-X
Well to Shawn Ray's defense. The Ironman has been what 10k-15k every yr. And its typically the first show of the year and is very popular...The Arnold has its backers and because of a certain rule, it can't make more than the Mr. O, which is why Arnold was throwing in a Hummer and a Rolex, to get around that. I think if he could Arnold would have the first place winner win 1 million dollars. this would force the supplement companies to cough up the dough and try and keep their top winner, or compete for dibs on the top winners.
I think the bbers are gonna take what the supps companies give, and the supps companies are only going to give what the bbers take. And they know bbers for the most part will stoop low enough to sell their assholes to just about anyone. So, this basicallys boils down to respect. You don't have respect for yourself (Derek Anthony) then repsect will not be given to you.
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Well to Shawn Ray's defense. The Ironman has been what 10k-15k every yr. And its typically the first show of the year and is very popular...The Arnold has its backers and because of a certain rule, it can't make more than the Mr. O, which is why Arnold was throwing in a Hummer and a Rolex, to get around that. I think if he could Arnold would have the first place winner win 1 million dollars. this would force the supplement companies to cough up the dough and try and keep their top winner, or compete for dibs on the top winners.
I think the bbers are gonna take what the supps companies give, and the supps companies are only going to give what the bbers take. And they know bbers for the most part will stoop low enough to sell their assholes to just about anyone. So, this basicallys boils down to respect. You don't have respect for yourself (Derek Anthony) then repsect will not be given to you.
bbing is almost a side show at the arnold, and his partners wouldnt go for a 1 mil first prize. would u pay jay culter 1mil for his so-called? there is no rate of return. think rbk dump shaq a while back cause he shoe was only half-a$$ selling at k-mart and they were giving him 2 mil for that. you'd eat every dime of it to give it to a guy in thongs. sorry parker...F##K That. arnold should give 199,999. that still keeps them below Olympic. maybe added another 100k show if it can be built up. i always side put stallones name on it and see what happens. maybe zane because of info-com he is doing? they other shows go to 20k if they can afford it.
like shawn, met him as a kid at bulldog gym fullerton...but he does have a bit of a diva complex. alot of success real earily. shawn never had a real job either. bbing right out of high school
outside of ronnie (i think he gave bsn name rec in the industry) n jay...does a company really get a return paying one of these guys $5k mth? their money is made thru relationships with distrib n wholesales over the yrs to get their product out there.
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bbing is almost a side show at the arnold, and his partners wouldnt go for a 1 mil first prize. would u pay jay culter 1mil for his so-called? there is no rate of return. think rbk dump shaq a while back cause he shoe was only half-a$$ selling at k-mart and they were giving him 2 mil for that. you'd eat every dime of it to give it to a guy in thongs. sorry parker...F##K That. arnold should give 199,999. that still keeps them below Olympic. maybe added another 100k show if it can be built up. i always side put stallones name on it and see what happens. maybe zane because of info-com he is doing? they other shows go to 20k if they can afford it.
like shawn, met him as a kid at bulldog gym fullerton...but he does have a bit of a diva complex. alot of success real earily. shawn never had a real job either. bbing right out of high school
outside of ronnie (i think he gave bsn name rec in the industry) n jay...does a company really get a return paying one of these guys $5k mth? their money is made thru relationships with distrib n wholesales over the yrs to get their product out there.
I think I should say "eventually", it would build up to 1 milli. Like Shawn Ray had said, surfers and BMX bikers make more than the winner of the Arnold.
200K, then 250k, then 300k, etc, etc. Next 500k, and so on and so forth. Arnold's backers may not at this time with the economy the way it is would go for 1 milli top prize, but it has to be gradual, plus with Arnold's "charisma" and him making a "business case" for it. Also the one who wins, chances are will probably be someone in the Richard Jones mold, someone that they can promote.
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I think I should say "eventually", it would build up to 1 milli. Like Shawn Ray had said, surfers and BMX bikers make more than the winner of the Arnold.
200K, then 250k, then 300k, etc, etc. Next 500k, and so on and so forth. Arnold's backers may not at this time with the economy the way it is would go for 1 milli top prize, but it has to be gradual, plus with Arnold's "charisma" and him making a "business case" for it. Also the one who wins, chances are will probably be someone in the Richard Jones mold, someone that they can promote.
ok...if u get a reggie bush kind of guy dating a celeb chick...then maybe u pull that off. but that guy....shawn ray...is retired now...since he was running with happy feet back in the day. x-games, surfers and bowlers have cable n public tv coverage so the dollars are there. cough...maybe they get it to 500k for the winner. without tv coverage it's a foolish financial move to front that much money to a bber. in real business they are cheap labor hr while a bmx star is CFO of the company...just look at it that way.
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I think I should say "eventually", it would build up to 1 milli. Like Shawn Ray had said, surfers and BMX bikers make more than the winner of the Arnold.
200K, then 250k, then 300k, etc, etc. Next 500k, and so on and so forth. Arnold's backers may not at this time with the economy the way it is would go for 1 milli top prize, but it has to be gradual, plus with Arnold's "charisma" and him making a "business case" for it. Also the one who wins, chances are will probably be someone in the Richard Jones mold, someone that they can promote.
Promote to who?
Why does it has to be gradual?
No sense!
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I laughed when Shawn Ray used to whine about bodybuilders who competed at the Ironman being oppressed because they weren't being paid enough. ;D Yeah, because someone is forcing them to step on stage and compete for peanuts right? ::)
I laughed when Victor Martinez commented that bodybuilding.com should give money back to the bodybuilders because they are so successful.
I laughed when Steve Namat and GetItOnNY made similar comments that successful supplement companies should sponsor athletes bodybuilders with more money or that MD should pay money for photo shoots. ::)
Please - if you don't like the terms then just get lost. No one is forcing you to be a bodybuilder and to step on stage in a greasy thong and pose [no homo]. If you don't like the lack of money in the industry you are free to find another one. The audacity of these guys talking about getting paid more by private businesses as if it is a human right or something. :-X
one day, one of these guy will argue "guys we're dying for you ! "
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bbing is almost a side show at the arnold, and his partners wouldnt go for a 1 mil first prize. would u pay jay culter 1mil for his so-called? there is no rate of return. think rbk dump shaq a while back cause he shoe was only half-a$$ selling at k-mart and they were giving him 2 mil for that. you'd eat every dime of it to give it to a guy in thongs. sorry parker...F##K That. arnold should give 199,999. that still keeps them below Olympic. maybe added another 100k show if it can be built up. i always side put stallones name on it and see what happens. maybe zane because of info-com he is doing? they other shows go to 20k if they can afford it.
like shawn, met him as a kid at bulldog gym fullerton...but he does have a bit of a diva complex. alot of success real earily. shawn never had a real job either. bbing right out of high school
outside of ronnie (i think he gave bsn name rec in the industry) n jay...does a company really get a return paying one of these guys $5k mth? their money is made thru relationships with distrib n wholesales over the yrs to get their product out there.
true, i never buy a brand because jay ron or john smith is on a jug of whey.
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I laughed when Shawn Ray used to whine about bodybuilders who competed at the Ironman being oppressed because they weren't being paid enough. ;D Yeah, because someone is forcing them to step on stage and compete for peanuts right? ::)
I laughed when Victor Martinez commented that bodybuilding.com should give money back to the bodybuilders because they are so successful.
I laughed when Steve Namat and GetItOnNY made similar comments that successful supplement companies should sponsor athletes bodybuilders with more money or that MD should pay money for photo shoots. ::)
Please - if you don't like the terms then just get lost. No one is forcing you to be a bodybuilder and to step on stage in a greasy thong and pose [no homo]. If you don't like the lack of money in the industry you are free to find another one. The audacity of these guys talking about getting paid more by private businesses as if it is a human right or something. :-X
The ends have to justify the means...on both parts. Yes, Both Shawn and I complained that the prize money for the Ironman was stagnent, for 17 years. I think thats a valid claim to have for change to be initiated. The promoters cant really bith then when the calliber of competition isnt the best either...
That said, your argument could be used in any business then...and begins the decline in a "working relationship". I guess if the people working in factory A dont like their wage, well, they should just get another job, right?
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matt .. in the beginning I thought you were a cool dude and everyone picked on you
but then I started payin attention to what you said
between this gem of a thread and the blatant racism, I was wondering : does C stand for c.unt ?
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gypsie vs yankee part 1...
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I laughed when Shawn Ray used to whine about bodybuilders who competed at the Ironman being oppressed because they weren't being paid enough. ;D Yeah, because someone is forcing them to step on stage and compete for peanuts right? ::)
I laughed when Victor Martinez commented that bodybuilding.com should give money back to the bodybuilders because they are so successful.
I laughed when Steve Namat and GetItOnNY made similar comments that successful supplement companies should sponsor athletes bodybuilders with more money or that MD should pay money for photo shoots. ::)
Please - if you don't like the terms then just get lost. No one is forcing you to be a bodybuilder and to step on stage in a greasy thong and pose [no homo]. If you don't like the lack of money in the industry you are free to find another one. The audacity of these guys talking about getting paid more by private businesses as if it is a human right or something. :-X
I guess it all boils down to popularity and how much money can be brought into the sport as a result of that.
Pro bodybuilders will only be paid in accordance with how well the industry is doing as a whole - if the supplement companies and magazines are doing well, then they will be paid more sponsorship money and the companies in return will take on more athletes. However, the supplement complanies only do well when Joe Schmoe out on the street buys their products. And so it goes on.
There are plenty of revenue avenues within bodybuilding but eventually you reach a point of diminishing returns - you can't sponsor an athlete if the money isn't there to do it. It's the same in pretty much every sport or even in private industry.
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The problem for the guys is the internet makes it hard for them to make money outside of contracts.
Back in the day you had mailorder courses which was how the top guys made good money... mentzer made $200k in one year selling heavy duty booklets I read somewhere.
In the 80's major publishers actually put out books by bodybuilders... bob paris made out like a bandit on his first book.
When training videos first came out a guy could do well off it but now it's on a torrent site in hours for free.
Having said that it appears many bbers waste their money pretty badly today... arnold was smart he got a loan to buy a small apartment complex and lived in one of the apartments and started investing from there.
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yes good point matt c i always laugh at these bbers who feel entitled to a master physique so they juice there brains out only to lose all there hair and have a moon face
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Promote to who?
Why does it has to be gradual?
No sense!
"promote" to the mainstream---or a sliver of the mainstream. But with the whole roids witch hunt and Juan Dixon's situation, that theory is moot.
If you are making 500k at the Arnold, you gaurantee Arnold had something to do about it, you are gonna have to promote something, I don't know, chewing gum, something. Also it is always gradual. If you look at the Arnold Classic top place price money, I believe it first started out at 80-90k, then 100k, and so on, then the Hummer was added, then the Rolex.
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gypsie vs yankee and the bitch cheerleader part 1...
fixed
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The ends have to justify the means...on both parts. Yes, Both Shawn and I complained that the prize money for the Ironman was stagnent, for 17 years. I think thats a valid claim to have for change to be initiated. The promoters cant really bith then when the calliber of competition isnt the best either...
That said, your argument could be used in any business then...and begins the decline in a "working relationship". I guess if the people working in factory A dont like their wage, well, they should just get another job, right?
Epic use of a cheap Machiavelli summary to justify your point
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It is not just bodybuilders. Everyone feels entitled these days; every one thinks they deserve more money—and to some degree they resent others who make more. If you think you a worth more then leave… and go get it. You can easily be replaced.
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It is not just bodybuilders. Everyone feels entitled these days; every one thinks they deserve more money—and to some degree they resent others who make more. If you think you a worth more then leave… and go get it. You can easily be replaced.
I knew you were dating women on the sly!
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I think I should say "eventually", it would build up to 1 milli. Like Shawn Ray had said, surfers and BMX bikers make more than the winner of the Arnold.
Lot more kids into Surfing or BMX riding.
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That said, your argument could be used in any business then...and begins the decline in a "working relationship". I guess if the people working in factory A dont like their wage, well, they should just get another job, right?
Yes that is right. How is it "fair" to increase the wage of someone working at a factory while a person sits unemployed and is willing to work for the regular pay? How is that "fair" to the one who has no job?
No one is using a cattle prod to force these bodybuilders to step on stage. Most of them just want to be jacked as it is, so the only thing they do which they wouldn't otherwise do is the dieting. But my point is, if they don't think bodybuilding pays enough, they can find another job. There is no money in bodybuilding.
It is not just bodybuilders. Everyone feels entitled these days; every one thinks they deserve more money—and to some degree they resent others who make more. If you think you a worth more then leave… and go get it. You can easily be replaced.
Very true.
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most bodybuilders just cant accept looking decent so they have to juice there brains out even in the face of side effects
they think they can just magically entitle themselves .
as for myself id love to be shredded but i dont feel entitled to it
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most bodybuilders just cant accept looking decent so they have to juice there brains out even in the face of side effects
they think they can just magically entitle themselves .
as for myself id love to be shredded but i dont feel entitled to it
Nice Falcon, many are dead by 40.
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I'm shocked they make what they make these days from endorsements. The fact that about 20 or more of these guys can actually bodybuild as a career is pretty amazing, while having no forms of real jobs.
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Nice Falcon, many are dead by 40.
you think falcon will make 40?
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you think falcon will make 40?
With experimentation on the human body anything can happen but I would so.
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I laughed when Shawn Ray used to whine about bodybuilders who competed at the Ironman being oppressed because they weren't being paid enough. ;D Yeah, because someone is forcing them to step on stage and compete for peanuts right? ::)
I laughed when Victor Martinez commented that bodybuilding.com should give money back to the bodybuilders because they are so successful.
I laughed when Steve Namat and GetItOnNY made similar comments that successful supplement companies should sponsor athletes bodybuilders with more money or that MD should pay money for photo shoots. ::)
Please - if you don't like the terms then just get lost. No one is forcing you to be a bodybuilder and to step on stage in a greasy thong and pose [no homo]. If you don't like the lack of money in the industry you are free to find another one. The audacity of these guys talking about getting paid more by private businesses as if it is a human right or something. :-X
Yes, most bodybuilders are stupid when it comes to financial IQ. There are few "sports" that require such an investment of time and energy with very little payout. This is why most intelligent people do not pursue bodybuilding as a career choice.
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Yes, most bodybuilders are stupid when it comes to financial IQ. There are few "sports" that require such an investment of time and energy with very little payout. This is why most intelligent people do not pursue bodybuilding as a career choice.
Heres a newsflash for you...most (if not all) pro Bbers didn't begin BB as a "career choice". What happens 99.9% of the time is a guy starts lifting weight by whatever means they are introduced to it...finds himself making good gains, is introduced to competitive BB, finds himself competing...does well...gradually moves up the ladder winning local, regional, state, National titles....wins his pro card.
Opportunity then presents itself by way of sponsorsip by said company, and the BB finds himself in a position to make a good living from it.
ALL pro BBers share one inherent quality...NONE of us started BB for the money.
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Heres a newsflash for you...most (if not all) pro Bbers didn't begin BB as a "career choice". What happens 99.9% of the time is a guy starts lifting weight by whatever means they are introduced to it...finds himself making good gains, is introduced to competitive BB, finds himself competing...does well...gradually moves up the ladder winning local, regional, state, National titles....wins his pro card.
Opportunity then presents itself by way of sponsorsip by said company, and the BB finds himself in a position to make a good living from it.
ALL pro BBers share one inherent quality...NONE of us started BB for the money.
That's correct - and VERY few have benefited much financially from the whole experience, Chick. You are certainly an exception to the rule, as are people like Jay Cutler and Ronnie Coleman. However, for the amount of time and effort one puts into the endeavor could have been spend learning a technical skill or attaining more education in a field that would provide better financial means.
You are an intelligent guy whose made nice coin from BB, but you're also the antithesis of the majority of bodybuilders.
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That's correct - and VERY few have benefited much financially from the whole experience, Chick. You are certainly an exception to the rule, as are people like Jay Cutler and Ronnie Coleman. However, for the amount of time and effort one puts into the endeavor could have been spend learning a technical skill or attaining more education in a field that would provide better financial means.
You are an intelligent guy whose made nice coin from BB, but you're also the antithesis of the majority of bodybuilders.
Yes, but what's the point if your heart isn't in it or have a passion for it? There's nothing better than making money for something you love to do. Better to make 50 thousand a year doing something you love than make 100 thousand a year hating what you do.
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I don't want to say that all bodybuilders are stupid or anything, but then I do have to question the mentality of grown men who feel the need to jack themselves up into supermen by constantly taking steroids and other performance enhancing drugs.
Pros like Lee Priest, Paul Dillett, Steve Namat, etc, think that supplement companies have millions of dollars which they are somehow entitled to. ::)
No different than hippies who think the problems in the world can just magically go away if "the powers that be" just decided to make them go away. A totally naive and ignorant view of the world.
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That's correct - and VERY few have benefited much financially from the whole experience, Chick. You are certainly an exception to the rule, as are people like Jay Cutler and Ronnie Coleman. However, for the amount of time and effort one puts into the endeavor could have been spend learning a technical skill or attaining more education in a field that would provide better financial means.
You are an intelligent guy whose made nice coin from BB, but you're also the antithesis of the majority of bodybuilders.
You're forgetting one thing...you make it sound like its an all or nothing deal....most of these guy work some type of job as well AND pursue their BB goals at the same time.
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You're forgetting one thing...you make it sound like its an all or nothing deal....most of these guy work some type of job as well AND pursue their BB goals at the same time.
Which is smart for those who do. A bodybuilder who is good enough to qualify for the Olympia every year [even if only to place last] should have the skills required to rake in $80,000 per year exclusively from bodybuilding.
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You're forgetting one thing...you make it sound like its an all or nothing deal....most of these guy work some type of job as well AND pursue their BB goals at the same time.
Yes, but it's difficult to truly excel when time/energy are divided between two careers. It's almost impossible to have a meaningful professional career while pursuing bodybuilding as well.
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Heres a newsflash for you...most (if not all) pro Bbers didn't begin BB as a "career choice". What happens 99.9% of the time is a guy starts lifting weight by whatever means they are introduced to it...finds himself making good gains, is introduced to competitive BB, finds himself competing...does well...gradually moves up the ladder winning local, regional, state, National titles....wins his pro card.
Opportunity then presents itself by way of sponsorsip by said company, and the BB finds himself in a position to make a good living from it.
ALL pro BBers share one inherent quality...NONE of us started BB for the money.
...and drugs. You forgot to mention bodybuilding drugs. Your welcome.
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Bodybuilding was better when it wasn't really about money at all. I think that adds to the greatness of the early times. It wasn't about a dollar, it was competition. .
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/194/522089844_59d1ac0781.jpg)
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Bodybuilding was better when it wasn't really about money at all. I think that adds to the greatness of the early times. It wasn't about a dollar, it was competition. .
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/194/522089844_59d1ac0781.jpg)
yes it was pretty cool when bodybuilding was a bunch of white guys not doing it for intimidation or money purposes
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Yes, but it's difficult to truly excel when time/energy are divided between two careers. It's almost impossible to have a meaningful professional career while pursuing bodybuilding as well.
Almost all of the pr's have balanced both, until opportunity presented itself making it a choice to be able to focus on one or the other...including Ronnie himself who was a full time deputy while being the current Mr. Olympia...
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Almost all of the pr's have balanced both, until opportunity presented itself making it a choice to be able to focus on one or the other...including Ronnie himself who was a full time deputy while being the current Mr. Olympia...
i always wondered how a guy who was filling his extremities with illegal substances held a job as a police officer...
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i always wondered how a guy who was filling his extremities with illegal substances held a job as a police officer...
this is something you really wonder about?
Here is another example...Mark Dugdale, owns ans runs his own produce company....are you wondering about that too?
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this is something you really wonder about?
Here is another example...Mark Dugdale, owns ans runs his own produce company....are you wondering about that too?
yep..i wondered about it...
who is mark dugdale?
damn bob..a bit edgy this morning? go have your coffee big guy..maybe kiss the wife.
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yep..i wondered about it...
who is mark dugdale?
damn bob..a bit edgy this morning? go have your coffee big guy..maybe kiss the wife.
Nevermind...your second question sums it all up.
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bob we forgive you for the early years when you were in the mags and us as teenagers would contemplate if you were natural or not and leaving us to suspicion
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Nevermind...your second question sums it all up.
what does it sum up bob?
oh yeah..i forgot..i'm supposed to know about every second rate syringe puncher right...
mark dugdale is so well known...
again..bob shows is childish side when someone brings up the hypocrisy of bodybuilding...
hey pal...i never poked myself with drugs..if that's a sore point with you...maybe you should go tell a priest.
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what does it sum up bob?
oh yeah..i forgot..i'm supposed to know about every second rate syringe puncher right...
mark dugdale is so well known...
again..bob shows is childish side when someone brings up the hypocrisy of bodybuilding...
hey pal...i never poked myself with drugs..if that's a sore point with you...maybe you should go tell a priest.
Its obviously a sore point with YOU, as you seem intent on bringing it up...I didnt come here ragging on guys who DONT use steroids....why do you care what other people do that has absolutely zero impact on you?
Talk about hypocrisy...
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Its obviously a sore point with YOU, as you seem intent on bringing it up...I didnt come here ragging on guys who DONT use steroids....why do you care what other people do that has absolutely zero impact on you?
Talk about hypocrisy...
who is a hypocrite? i just made a commen sense statement. I didn't say it was wrong...i just said how does one employ a man as a police officer who obviously is using things other than creatine and whey protein to win multiple olympia titles..most of which is illegal. how does that look when big ron coleman walks up to a stoolie on the street slinging marijuana and arrests him for doing just what deputy coleman is doing behind closed doors? that's hypocrisy. its a double standard bob...and if i was arrested by a guy who was buying illegal substances...doesn't that throw the whole justice system for a loop? how can anyone get justice if the very people they are entrusting their safety and constitutional rights too..are they, themselves, criminals. think about it bobby...
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I think that chick is a smart guy who has made alot of coin fro
bb. My problem is with all these jackass pros that lease an expensive ass car that's way over their budget in an attempt to make everyone think they're rich. In reality they live in some shit box apartment and are 3 months behind on rent. Bodybuilding, both on the pro and amateur ranks is filled with 30 thousand dollar millionaires.
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who is a hypocrite? i just made a commen sense statement. I didn't say it was wrong...i just said how does one employ a man as a police officer who obviously is using things other than creatine and whey protein to win multiple olympia titles..most of which is illegal. how does that look when big ron coleman walks up to a stoolie on the street slinging marijuana and arrests him for doing just what deputy coleman is doing behind closed doors? that's hypocrisy. its a double standard bob...and if i was arrested by a guy who was buying illegal substances...doesn't that throw the whole justice system for a loop? how can anyone get justice if the very people they are entrusting their safety and constitutional rights too..are they, themselves, criminals. think about it bobby...
Once again, you fail to see the obvious...the fact you bring it up, and response to me , makes it obvious you have a hard on for guys that use steroids. As for what Ronnie did or didnt do, thats not really a concern of yours either, is it? You're the kind of guy who would get pulled over for speeding and then start bitchin to the cop about how you "pay his salary", etc...which I'm sure would get you off without a ticket...
If you have a perscription for pot, then you arent breaking the law...same with steroids. You dont have a clue as to what Ronnie was or wasnt doing, or by what means he did...
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good posts rocky
chick youre in over your head as usual here-just move to another thread
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I guess if the people working in factory A dont like their wage, well, they should just get another job, right?
That's ludicrous. Factory's responsibility to pay every worker exactly what he/she wants.
Sky's the limit.
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Shawn Ray and Bob are businessmen. Their names should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as some of those other bodybuilders. They made the most out of their physiques and now they provide value to the bodybuilding world in any capitalistic, entrepreneurial way they can.
Good for them.
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Once again, you fail to see the obvious...the fact you bring it up, and response to me , makes it obvious you have a hard on for guys that use steroids. As for what Ronnie did or didnt do, thats not really a concern of yours either, is it? You're the kind of guy who would get pulled over for speeding and then start bitchin to the cop about how you "pay his salary", etc...which I'm sure would get you off without a ticket...
If you have a perscription for pot, then you arent breaking the law...same with steroids. You dont have a clue as to what Ronnie was or wasnt doing, or by what means he did...
yes bob...and everyone who smokes pot has a prescription for it...correct? good argument...i'll move on because you sound ignorant.
i have no hard on for anyone..someone brought up the entitlement complex of bodybuilders and i chimed in...ronnie was obviously (well, to everyone but you) using PEDs...i just thought it pretty hypocritical to walk around and enforce the laws yet turning a blind eye towards his obvious usage of PEDs--because every normal person is able to walk around at 300lbs..shredded to the bone... with 22 inch arms...---
No..every speeding ticket i got..i deserved...and paid.
and please don't take me for an ignorant teenager...we all know that bodybuilders don't have prescriptions for the stuff they use...let's be honest here bob...you can save your smoke blowing for the bodybuilding magazines.
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yes bob...and everyone who smokes pot has a prescription for it...correct? good argument...i'll move on because you sound ignorant.
i have no hard on for anyone..someone brought up the entitlement complex of bodybuilders and i chimed in...ronnie was obviously (well, to everyone but you) using PEDs...i just thought it pretty hypocritical to walk around and enforce the laws yet turning a blind eye towards his obvious usage of PEDs--because every normal person is able to walk around at 300lbs..shredded to the bone... with 22 inch arms...---
No..every speeding ticket i got..i deserved...and paid.
and please don't take me for an ignorant teenager...we all know that bodybuilders don't have prescriptions for the stuff they use...let's be honest here bob...you can save your smoke blowing for the bodybuilding magazines.
Ignorant? You didnt even get it, genius...no, everyone doesnt have a prescription for pot, so when they get busted, they pay the price...as its illegal without one... same with steroids...GET IT?
What the officer is or isnt doing has NO BEARING on what you're geting arrested for, fool.... maybe he smokes pot in his spare time, beats his wife, speeds on the highway....you can speculate all day long.
No wonder you're getting taken for an ignorant teenager, you talk like one
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Ignorant? You didnt even get it, genius...no, everyone doesnt have a prescription for pot, so when they get busted, they pay the price...as its illegal without one... same with steroids...GET IT?
What the officer is or isnt doing has NO BEARING on what you're geting arrested for, fool.... maybe he smokes pot in his spare time, beats his wife, speeds on the highway....you can speculate all day long.
No wonder you're getting taken for an ignorant teenager, you talk like one
It sure does have a bearing on what I am getting arrested for...it's called corruption...Look it up-corruption in any form erodes the public's confidence in a fair criminal justice system...take a look at the la riots..the la riots happened because some cops were acquitted of beating a suspected criminal...to some in the black community it looked like the cops were getting special treatment (or special entitlements--)--
if i am arrested for dealing drugs by cops who are they themselves dealing or using drugs i can walk into court and use that fact to accuse the arresting cop of framing or setting me up to rid himself of any competition...put something like that to a jury that has witness instances of police entitlements and i would walk out of court a free man..unpunished for my transgressions. If the crime fighting elements of society aren't held up to a higher standard then they are not capable of enforcing the laws of the land.
now...you can plug big ron coleman in the part of the crooked cop and you can see my point.
no hard on...just common sense.
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true, i never buy a brand because jay ron or john smith is on a jug of whey.
Me too, BUT you will be suprised by the amount of people who buy supplements which top bbers promoting them.
I think in the long run people tend to trust brands which market and do well.
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Rockyfortune is right on this one
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It sure does have a bearing on what I am getting arrested for...it's called corruption...Look it up-corruption in any form erodes the public's confidence in a fair criminal justice system...take a look at the la riots..the la riots happened because some cops were acquitted of beating a suspected criminal...to some in the black community it looked like the cops were getting special treatment (or special entitlements--)--
if i am arrested for dealing drugs by cops who are they themselves dealing or using drugs i can walk into court and use that fact to accuse the arresting cop of framing or setting me up to rid himself of any competition...put something like that to a jury that has witness instances of police entitlements and i would walk out of court a free man..unpunished for my transgressions. If the crime fighting elements of society aren't held up to a higher standard then they are not capable of enforcing the laws of the land.
now...you can plug big ron coleman in the part of the crooked cop and you can see my point.
no hard on...just common sense.
So, your basis for this rant is the idea that you THINK, He's breaking the law? Because YOU believe he's breaking the law, it must be true...the rest of your little senario is laughable at best...
If the arresting officer had a traffic ticket in another jurisdiction, does that render him incapable or unfit to give YOU one?
Lets assume big Ron had a prescription for anything he was doing....NOW WHAT?
You sound like a damn fool.
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So, your basis for this rant is the idea that you THINK, He's breaking the law? Because YOU believe he's breaking the law, it must be true...the rest of your little senario is laughable at best...
If the arresting officer had a traffic ticket in another jurisdiction, does that render him incapable or unfit to give YOU one?
Lets assume big Ron had a prescription for anything he was doing....NOW WHAT?
You sound like a damn fool.
i won't assume anything as silly as what you suggest about ron coleman having scripts for his stuff...
no...a traffic ticket is not a a misdemeanor or felony..they are called summary offenses and are not criminal activities...possessing or buying substances which "most'' pro level bodybuilders use would count as criminal activities...
it's no rant...you are ranting.
bob..you are going down for the third time...
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Lets assume big Ron had a prescription for anything he was doing....NOW WHAT?
You sound like a damn fool.
We don't need to assume anything, Big Ron didn't have a prescription for every illegal drug he used. End of story. Why the need for the constant BS on this issue? And the items he may have had an Rx for were in a lot of cases illegal anyway. A script adds some insulation but it doesn't make it totally legal. Do you want me to post some recent examples of news about cops being fired for having "legit HRT scripts"? Do you want me to post the news about Big Ron being investigated in a Life Extension pharm bust a few years ago?
You cannot do Pro BB 100% legally in the US. It's no assumption but fact.
Funny that you are also involved with a company suspected of distributing illegal anabolic steroids as supplements. I say "suspected" since there's been no trial yet. But even the supplement companies selling these items have openly debated the legality of this on the bb.com forums and everyone has agreed that it's a very very gray area - at best. Which is why the big companies don't sell these items = they know it's illegal.
Pro bodybuilding involves illegal drug use, no one can seriously claim the opposite.
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i won't assume anything as silly as what you suggest about ron coleman having scripts for his stuff...
no...a traffic ticket is not a a misdemeanor or felony..they are called summary offenses and are not criminal activities...possessing or buying substances which "most'' pro level bodybuilders use would count as criminal activities...
it's no rant...you are ranting.
bob..you are going down for the third time...
Thats funny, there was no going down the first or second time....you wont assume he did, but automatically assume he didnt have whatever he was using legally.....smart argument. You're dealing in pure speculation, and have to make such a stupid claim to try and justify your argument.
The point is still the same concerning whatever level of infraction were talking about....of course, that doesnt make any sense to you either
So...you live in Texas, get busted by Officer Coleman for peddling weed, and your argument to the judge is to point your finger to the arresting officer exclaiming that you believe its unjust as you THINK he's doing steroids....LOL.
You would get laughed out of court, much as your getting laughed at here...
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I laughed when Shawn Ray used to whine about bodybuilders who competed at the Ironman being oppressed because they weren't being paid enough. ;D Yeah, because someone is forcing them to step on stage and compete for peanuts right? ::)
I laughed when Victor Martinez commented that bodybuilding.com should give money back to the bodybuilders because they are so successful.
I laughed when Steve Namat and GetItOnNY made similar comments that successful supplement companies should sponsor athletes bodybuilders with more money or that MD should pay money for photo shoots. ::)
Please - if you don't like the terms then just get lost. No one is forcing you to be a bodybuilder and to step on stage in a greasy thong and pose [no homo]. If you don't like the lack of money in the industry you are free to find another one. The audacity of these guys talking about getting paid more by private businesses as if it is a human right or something. :-X
you=retard
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Any worker who is part of a successful organization and is a key part of that success has reason and justification to try to get more money if he thinks his value to the organization is under rated. I have no sympathy for people who work for companies that are losing money who think they should be paid more. So if the supplement companies or contest promoters are barely breaking-even, then bodybuilders associated with those companies or contests should forget about getting more money. But if those organizations are raking in the cash, and the bodybuilders who are integral to their success feel they are not getting adequate compensation for their contribution, they have every right to try to get more. Sure, one approach is to just quit. If enough bodybuilders did that, the owners / promoters might be forced into paying more. But smart employees who feel undervalued by their employer will first approach their supervisor, explain their contribution to the organization, and ask for more money – and believe it or not, sometimes they get what they ask for. Other workers who feel exploited will form a union and/or try to publicly shame their employer into treating them better. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Public shaming only works if you can convince people that you really are being exploited. Obviously many people on this board don’t believe that bodybuilders are being exploited, but since the subject keeps coming up over and over and over again, clearly there are others who believe they are.
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The power rests in the bodybuilders hands, if they want to get paid more they will have to be willing to delay immediate rewards for bigger later rewards. In other words willing to, in unison step back from competing or repping companies until they get more money.
Of course this might back fire as supplements companies can use other types of athletes to promote their product, with the high likely-hood of greater sales success. Of course there is a direct market for guys that want to get huge.This might also back fire because their will likely be other up and coming bodybuilders ready to compete or rep the supplement companies for the same or less cash.
Many bodybuilders do not compete for money, at least initially, I would say the main reasons are for fame, glory, trophies, ego, etc.
Then there are bodybuilders that compete to overcome some self-esteem issue in their past. For these bodybuilders they don't compete for money but for acceptance. This type is probably more likely to be manipulated in the game [gfp, excessive anabolic use, etc..]
the business smart bodybuilders, the ones with the higher self esteem tend to make better business decisions, and not just go for getting on a magazine cover as sufficient payment. Magazine coverage is fine initially but after a while, most would like to get paid for their efforts. It really comes down to self esteem and what the bodybuilder will except and what he/she things they are worth.
Bodybuilders with higher self esteem and more business savy like Yates, Cutler, Coleman, Gaspari, Labrada, Murray, etc. seem to make better decisions. If more bodybuilders studied business and stuck to their guns then the supp companies would be more likely to pay higher. The supp companies probably don't respect most bodybuilders.
If bodybuilders want more respect they will have to demand it and if it's not gotten then be willing to step away.
Another important point is that other pro athletes [yeah you don't think that bodybuilders are athletes]
have agents that help them negotiate their contracts. Maybe that is what bodybuilders need but it unlikely as the money in the sport is lon the low side right now.
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Bodybuilding was better when it wasn't really about money at all. I think that adds to the greatness of the early times. It wasn't about a dollar, it was competition. .
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/194/522089844_59d1ac0781.jpg)
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all this bullshit started when these lazy fuckers 'became pro's and stopped working regular jobs, I think it was around the mid 80's that this whole mess started and this whole 'living' the dream fantasy of doing nothing but working out, eating and sleeping..
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Rocky, there is no need to argue with Chick about the issue.
Chick is clearly stating that there are ways of getting around the law. In other words, purchasing steroids off the street is illegal, but if you have a medical condition that validates your getting a prescription for steroids (say low testosterone levels warranting Hormone replacement therapy), then you can potentially have your cake and eat it too.
If big Ron had a prescription allowing him access to steroids, then he is clear of breaking any laws.
Is it morally correct to outsmart the system? No.
Does it mean that by outsmarting the system you broke the law? No.
An example, say you get a parking ticket for parking at a "NO STANDING" zone. Later that day, you read through your ticket and realize that the parking official wrote a faulty description of your car (wrong make, year, color etc..). You go to court, use the facts against the metermaid and the judge throws the case out. You win.
Regardless of the technicalities, were you right in parking where you did? No.
Did you beat the system? Yes.
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If big Ron had a prescription allowing him access to steroids, then he is clear of breaking any laws.
Does it mean that by outsmarting the system you broke the law? No.
I'm not sure that's true in every instance, but that's beside the point, there is no way Ron or any pro had a prescription for every drug he used for bodybuilding.
Here is one example of a cop who bought prescribed "legal" steroids from an "HRT" doctor:
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/02/jury_finds_cleveland_police_li.html
Yes the laws are stupid but there's no way you can do pro bb in the US completely legally.
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Rocky, there is no need to argue with Chick about the issue.
Chick is clearly stating that there are ways of getting around the law. In other words, purchasing steroids off the street is illegal, but if you have a medical condition that validates your getting a prescription for steroids (say low testosterone levels warranting Hormone replacement therapy), then you can potentially have your cake and eat it too.
If big Ron had a prescription allowing him access to steroids, then he is clear of breaking any laws.
Is it morally correct to outsmart the system? No.
Does it mean that by outsmarting the system you broke the law? No.
An example, say you get a parking ticket for parking at a "NO STANDING" zone. Later that day, you read through your ticket and realize that the parking official wrote a faulty description of your car (wrong make, year, color etc..). You go to court, use the facts against the metermaid and the judge throws the case out. You win.
Regardless of the technicalities, were you right in parking where you did? No.
Did you beat the system? Yes.
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quite a coincidence that all these guys with low test happen to make their professional living bodybuilding...that's not getting around the law..that's breaking the law..because i'm sure a legit doctor would turn and run when confronted by some bodybuilder asking for RX's for bodybuilding drugs.
your example is comparing apples and oranges...i'm talking about getting illegal drugs and you are talking about parking tickets. sure, someone can buy drugs..get arrested and get off on a technicality...in the eyes of the court system he isn't guilty..but did he break a law? yes..he did. and when you have guys like ronnie coleman who (let's be honest here) uses illegal PEDs and then walks around with a badge i'd say that's quite hypocritical and a common complaint among our citizenry..that law enforcement gets a pass when breaking laws.
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bob putting his foot in his mouth ...........again........ ...as ussual
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I still can't believe coleman didn't get nailed at some point, chick is full of shit like usual, half of the shit coleman takes you can't get by prescription, let alone in the U.S where there are maybe 5 steroids available through HRT clinics or compounding labs.
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Rocky, there is no need to argue with Chick about the issue.
Chick is clearly stating that there are ways of getting around the law. In other words, purchasing steroids off the street is illegal, but if you have a medical condition that validates your getting a prescription for steroids (say low testosterone levels warranting Hormone replacement therapy), then you can potentially have your cake and eat it too.
If big Ron had a prescription allowing him access to steroids, then he is clear of breaking any laws.
Is it morally correct to outsmart the system? No.
Does it mean that by outsmarting the system you broke the law? No.
An example, say you get a parking ticket for parking at a "NO STANDING" zone. Later that day, you read through your ticket and realize that the parking official wrote a faulty description of your car (wrong make, year, color etc..). You go to court, use the facts against the metermaid and the judge throws the case out. You win.
Regardless of the technicalities, were you right in parking where you did? No.
Did you beat the system? Yes.
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It's obvious by his last response that were pumping a dry well here, bro...
Time to move on...
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It just seems that the number of bodybuilders who can make really money without actually winning is pretty small.
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I think I should say "eventually", it would build up to 1 milli. Like Shawn Ray had said, surfers and BMX bikers make more than the winner of the Arnold.
200K, then 250k, then 300k, etc, etc. Next 500k, and so on and so forth. Arnold's backers may not at this time with the economy the way it is would go for 1 milli top prize, but it has to be gradual, plus with Arnold's "charisma" and him making a "business case" for it. Also the one who wins, chances are will probably be someone in the Richard Jones mold, someone that they can promote.
C'mon, Parker, Surfing and BMX bikes are more popular than bbing pageants. Shit, they have their own "styles" and brands within them. You could go to any Target or other large store and find "skater" attire. Try finding a glittery thong..... :-\
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It just seems that the number of bodybuilders who can make really money without actually winning is pretty small.
No one is forcing them to do it.
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We don't need to assume anything, Big Ron didn't have a prescription for every illegal drug he used. End of story. Why the need for the constant BS on this issue? And the items he may have had an Rx for were in a lot of cases illegal anyway. A script adds some insulation but it doesn't make it totally legal. Do you want me to post some recent examples of news about cops being fired for having "legit HRT scripts"? Do you want me to post the news about Big Ron being investigated in a Life Extension pharm bust a few years ago?
You cannot do Pro BB 100% legally in the US. It's no assumption but fact.
Funny that you are also involved with a company suspected of distributing illegal anabolic steroids as supplements. I say "suspected" since there's been no trial yet. But even the supplement companies selling these items have openly debated the legality of this on the bb.com forums and everyone has agreed that it's a very very gray area - at best. Which is why the big companies don't sell these items = they know it's illegal.
Pro bodybuilding involves illegal drug use, no one can seriously claim the opposite.
Van B is completely on point with this. It is not possible to be a pro bodybuilder in America, without breaking the law. This is obvious, and should not even be a point of contention. I for the life of me cannot see why it is so hard for Chick to just speak plainly on this issue and admit that this is the case. I do not think that this is a moral problem, and in fact is probably even part of the appeal. Having to live outside both what is the societal norms, in addition to having to live outside the law, can sometimes cement the appeal of a subculture, for its practitioners.
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It's obvious by his last response that were pumping a dry well here, bro...
Time to move on...
time to move on bob..because you look and sound like a dipshit. a dry well..haha..i have to hand to you bob..i like your little one liners..someone buy you a book of those or something...or is that standard operation procedure for an IFBB hack like yourself?
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time to move on bob..because you look and sound like a dipshit. a dry well..haha..i have to hand to you bob..i like your little one liners..someone buy you a book of those or something...or is that standard operation procedure for an IFBB hack like yourself?
Very funny....especially from someone who failed to address what I wrote...doesnt really bolster your argument does it?
Its standard operation when you're dealing with someone who cant understand logic
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Yes, but it's difficult to truly excel when time/energy are divided between two careers. It's almost impossible to have a meaningful professional career while pursuing bodybuilding as well.
Tell that to the aforementioned Ronnie Coleman, who was a cop for most of his bodybuilding career, INCLUDING his first three years as Mr. Olympia.
Then, you have Lee Labrada as an engineer, or Porter Cottrell as a firefighter.
And, wasn't Markus Ruhl selling cars, during many of his bodybuilding years?
Throw in Joel Stubbs, an airline pilot, and Leo Ingram (a retired Chief Petty Officer, from the Navy) and it seems pursuing a meaningful career ain't so hard, after all.
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Very funny....especially from someone who failed to address what I wrote...doesnt really bolster your argument does it?
Its standard operation when you're dealing with someone who cant understand logic
you win bob..you have officially bored me to death...
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yes bob...and everyone who smokes pot has a prescription for it...correct? good argument...i'll move on because you sound ignorant.
i have no hard on for anyone..someone brought up the entitlement complex of bodybuilders and i chimed in...ronnie was obviously (well, to everyone but you) using PEDs...i just thought it pretty hypocritical to walk around and enforce the laws yet turning a blind eye towards his obvious usage of PEDs--because every normal person is able to walk around at 300lbs..shredded to the bone... with 22 inch arms...---
No..every speeding ticket i got..i deserved...and paid.
and please don't take me for an ignorant teenager...we all know that bodybuilders don't have prescriptions for the stuff they use...let's be honest here bob...you can save your smoke blowing for the bodybuilding magazines.
The point he's making is simple: Pointing out someone else's trangressions (actual or alleged) DOES NOT absolve you from being punished, if you break the law.