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Title: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: FunkyMonk on March 02, 2010, 09:00:13 PM
 People always say that Marcus Ruhl was not symetrical, and that's true. But let's face it, other guys won the Mr. Olympia with crap symetry, like Yates and Coleman in their later wins.

 I've seen Ruhl come in huge and more ripped than any other guy on stage. If they are gonna give the Olympia to big bloated pieces of shit, why no give it to RUHL, the king of big bloated freaks.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: MJK on March 02, 2010, 09:01:43 PM
Maybe he needs to take up acting. ::)
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: regmac on March 02, 2010, 09:10:26 PM
He didn't suck up to any officials? ::)
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 02, 2010, 09:24:16 PM
oil all in body  ;)
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Dr Kincaid on March 02, 2010, 11:17:36 PM
It's cause he is Euro.
But really he doesn't need a medal to be a champion.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: webcake on March 03, 2010, 12:08:46 AM
Uncrowned Mr Olympia. No doubt about it.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: calfzilla on March 03, 2010, 12:16:18 AM
The most underrated bber of all time.  It's all politics.  Bbing is not judged objectively.   :(
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: webcake on March 03, 2010, 12:20:31 AM
 :o
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: calfzilla on March 03, 2010, 12:28:11 AM
webcake proves me correct yet again with those stunning images.   :o
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on March 03, 2010, 12:33:02 AM
People always say that Marcus Ruhl was not symetrical, and that's true. But let's face it, other guys won the Mr. Olympia with crap symetry, like Yates and Coleman in their later wins.

 I've seen Ruhl come in huge and more ripped than any other guy on stage. If they are gonna give the Olympia to big bloated pieces of shit, why no give it to RUHL, the king of big bloated freaks.

beacsue shape with marcus was not as good as other mass monsters like dorian, nasser, and ronnie..
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: webcake on March 03, 2010, 12:33:14 AM
hahah i remember people use to post a pic of ruhl doing a lat spread from that show and chick actually claimed it was a fake pic. All those pics i just posted are screen shots from the video.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Adder on March 03, 2010, 03:28:16 AM
Why did markus lost to nasser at 2000 mr olympia? ??? ??? ???(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=20561&id=41136&Itemid=202)

(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=20561&id=41209&Itemid=266)
wtf? ???
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: AC Slater on March 03, 2010, 09:18:42 AM
bb is not judged fairly.

hope this helps.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Ex Coelis on March 03, 2010, 09:20:38 AM
judges prefer the health look these days
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: CT_Muscle on March 03, 2010, 09:23:16 AM
:o

I was there for that show. Was hoping Ruhl would beat Cutler  :'(
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: jaejonna on March 03, 2010, 09:24:04 AM
Why did markus lost to nasser at 2000 mr olympia? ??? ??? ???(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=20561&id=41136&Itemid=202)

(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=20561&id=41209&Itemid=266)
wtf? ???
I see more Oil in those pics than a global shot of the Middle east
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: emn1964 on March 03, 2010, 10:15:54 AM
Because the IFBB does not hold fuking "contests".  Those "contests" are as much a competition as WWE's wrestling matches.  What doesn't anyone understand?
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 03, 2010, 10:24:06 AM
judges prefer the health look these days
Who looks healthy Big Poppa?
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: tom joad on March 03, 2010, 10:25:46 AM
Because the IFBB does not hold fuking "contests".  Those "contests" are as much a competition as WWE's wrestling matches.  What doesn't anyone understand?

c'mon Chick won the Masters Pro fair and square.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 03, 2010, 10:26:35 AM
Maybe Marcus shunned a judges advances in the oil-up room?
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: JasonH on March 03, 2010, 10:29:52 AM
Maybe Marcus actually wasn't as good as people make out him to be. He might have been one of the biggest bodybuilders in history, but that don't mean shit when the bodyparts don't flow.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Mr. Magoo on March 03, 2010, 10:31:13 AM
Maybe Marcus actually wasn't as good as people make out him to be. He might have been one of the biggest bodybuilders in history, but that don't mean shit when the bodyparts don't flow.

translation: I dont think he is pretty
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 03, 2010, 10:32:42 AM
Maybe Marcus actually wasn't as good as people make out him to be. He might have been one of the biggest bodybuilders in history, but that don't mean shit when the bodyparts don't flow.
you know all about how male bodyparts are supposed to flow  :-\
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: JasonH on March 03, 2010, 10:33:48 AM
you know all about how male bodyparts are supposed to flow  :-\

 ::)
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Nirvana on March 03, 2010, 10:34:56 AM
it's his tiny triceps and synthol biceps, and he always had lower back fat  :(
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: MCWAY on March 03, 2010, 10:38:09 AM
Uncrowned Mr Olympia. No doubt about it.

On the contrary, there's PLENTY of doubt about it.

One, Ruhl lost just ONE WEEK LATER to a rookie, Art Atwood, at the Toronto Pro.

Two, less than a year later, he got beat by a FAR SMALLER (but better-shaped and proportioned) Darrem Charles as the Maximus Pro.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: MCWAY on March 03, 2010, 11:35:24 AM
The most underrated bber of all time.  It's all politics.  Bbing is not judged objectively.   :(

So what were the "politics", when he lost to Art Atwood in Toronto?

Or, what were they when Darrem Charles beat him in 2003?
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Chick on March 03, 2010, 01:35:06 PM
So what were the "politics", when he lost to Art Atwood in Toronto?

Or, what were they when Darrem Charles beat him in 2003?

Exactly...as if there was some conspiracy. 

Speaking of which....I thought Marcus was a shoe-in for the top6 at the Olympia with Ultimate Nutrition coming on board, and MT out of the picture?

Amazing how all the idiots disappear real quick when they're made to look as stupid as they post
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Mr. Magoo on March 03, 2010, 01:46:06 PM
Exactly...as if there was some conspiracy. 

Speaking of which....I thought Marcus was a shoe-in for the top6 at the Olympia with Ultimate Nutrition coming on board, and MT out of the picture?

Amazing how all the idiots disappear real quick when they're made to look as stupid as they post

you're a bitter middle aged man
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on March 03, 2010, 01:46:15 PM
nobody besides mustafa mohammed has been screwed in the placings more times than RUHL.
the worst was in that grand prix show the year jay won the O...markus is standing next to jay and MURDERS him on each and every single shot, beats ronnie too, but still placed 3rd...and jay got 1st when he should have been behind both RUHL and ronnie.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: tendonitis on March 03, 2010, 01:49:51 PM
Exactly...as if there was some conspiracy.  

Speaking of which....I thought Marcus was a shoe-in for the top6 at the Olympia with Ultimate Nutrition coming on board, and MT out of the picture?

Amazing how all the idiots disappear real quick when they're made to look as stupid as they post

It's not about Supplement contracts Chic, it's about Publishing contracts.  You know this yet you always bring up this supplement contract bullshit as some sort of smokescreen.
And since it's about Pusblishing contracts your boy the fridge won't be given another Sandow he doesn't deserve this year.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: affeman on March 03, 2010, 01:50:38 PM
Markus Ruhl 15th place, and Moe ElWhothefuckcares in 10th place lol

(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/1943.jpg) (http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/1773.jpg)

(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/1934.jpg) (http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/1761.jpg)
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on March 03, 2010, 02:33:36 PM
Markus Ruhl 15th place, and Moe ElWhothefuckcares in 10th place lol

(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/1943.jpg) (http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/1773.jpg)

(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/1934.jpg) (http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/1761.jpg)

what a complete joke. no one can seriously defend that.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 03, 2010, 02:36:39 PM
Another AMI/Weider decision ::)
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Chick on March 03, 2010, 02:41:20 PM
It's not about Supplement contracts Chic, it's about Publishing contracts.  You know this yet you always bring up this supplement contract bullshit as some sort of smokescreen.
And since it's about Pusblishing contracts your boy the fridge won't be given another Sandow he doesn't deserve this year.

Its about whatever is conveinient to point a finger at by idiots on the internet...I was under contract with Weider when Marcus beat me for the NOC title...Plenty of un-sponsored athletes have won shows...and there are many other examples like Ronnie winning the Olympia in 98 over the much hyped Flex Wheeler, who was a Weider athlete...
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: emn1964 on March 03, 2010, 02:50:25 PM
Hi Chick...how's Maleah?
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: nukkaready on March 03, 2010, 03:05:17 PM
you're a bitter middle aged man

Chick is an arrogant 'I know it all' prick. If Markus Ruhl would have come up through the NPC he would have been Manion's poster boy and his career would have taken a much more triumphant turn. Markus killed Cutler at the 2000 NOC yet he lost. Markus destroyed everyone at the NOC in 99 and yet he placed 4th. He didn't even place at the 99 Mr. O yet he looked better than Nasser. The list goes on...
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: affeman on March 03, 2010, 03:18:47 PM
Chick is an arrogant 'I know it all' prick. If Markus Ruhl would have come up through the NPC he would have been Manion's poster boy and his career would have taken a much more triumphant turn. Markus killed Cutler at the 2000 NOC yet he lost. Markus destroyed everyone at the NOC in 99 and yet he placed 4th. He didn't even place at the 99 Mr. O yet he looked better than Nasser. The list goes on...

2003 Arnold was pretty bad as well. Ruhl took 3rd behind Cutler and Cormier lol.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 03, 2010, 03:24:44 PM
Todays Pro contests are all about being a "monster" so wtf? Ruhl should dominate.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Chick on March 03, 2010, 03:29:07 PM
Hi Chick...how's Maleah?

Great...thanks for asking
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Chick on March 03, 2010, 03:30:57 PM
Todays Pro contests are all about being a "monster" so wtf? Ruhl should dominate.

Apparently, they're not...as the "monsters" usually dont place as well as the others
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: CHOPPER1234 on March 03, 2010, 03:37:05 PM
Ruhls places could have something to do with him being drug tested and others not.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Chick on March 03, 2010, 03:40:01 PM
Ruhls places could have something to do with him being drug tested and others not.

uhhhhhh.....yeah. thats it ::)
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: newmom on March 03, 2010, 03:43:28 PM
Ruhls places could have something to do with him being drug tested and others not.

WHY would they test only him
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 03, 2010, 04:03:06 PM


 Marcus Ruhl beats Cutler and Coleman here.
He beats them everytime in my book
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: CHOPPER1234 on March 03, 2010, 04:08:46 PM
It states in the rules any athlete can be tested any time I guess Marcus was just unlucky.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: newmom on March 03, 2010, 04:09:43 PM
Markus Ruhl has the best most muscular IMO..forgot what year it was he took the prize at the Olympia for that 02 or 03..christ for all I know he won most muscular a few times
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: regmac on March 03, 2010, 04:15:20 PM
He didn't suck up to any officials? ::)
Rewrote from the heart! :-\
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 03, 2010, 04:16:50 PM
Markus Ruhl has the best most muscular IMO..forgot what year it was he took the prize at the Olympia for that 02 or 03..christ for all I know he won most muscular a few times
He beats those schomes everytime in that department.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: regmac on March 03, 2010, 04:24:48 PM
He beats those schomes everytime in that department.
Even Ronnie!!!!
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 03, 2010, 04:26:22 PM
Even Ronnie!!!!
You competing this year man?
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Chick on March 03, 2010, 04:39:04 PM
It states in the rules any athlete can be tested any time I guess Marcus was just unlucky.

LOL...do you have any idea what you're talking about?
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 03, 2010, 04:40:40 PM
LOL...do you have any idea what you're talking about?
IFBB testing is a joke.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Doug_Steele on March 03, 2010, 04:52:12 PM
IFBB testing is a joke.

Well, i guess that Markus got the shaft.  8)
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Gino30 on March 04, 2010, 04:58:36 AM
it's his tiny triceps and synthol biceps, and he always had lower back fat  :(

and that's just the start...

love the 'bbing is unfair' posts....lol.....what dick-flops....marcus ruhl didnt have the shape or lines like the top guys....ummm, its pretty obvious

Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: emn1964 on March 04, 2010, 07:19:23 AM
Great...thanks for asking

Good to hear that Chick...shall I drop a few other names?
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 04, 2010, 07:22:53 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=158731.0;attach=180595;image)
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Tito24 on March 04, 2010, 07:28:59 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=158731.0;attach=180595;image)

Is that specimen male or female?
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 04, 2010, 07:33:24 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=158731.0;attach=180595;image)

Nice camel-toe, sev..... ;D
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Adder on March 04, 2010, 08:23:07 AM
Exactly...as if there was some conspiracy.  

Speaking of which....I thought Marcus was a shoe-in for the top6 at the Olympia with Ultimate Nutrition coming on board, and MT out of the picture?

Amazing how all the idiots disappear real quick when they're made to look as stupid as they post
Ok chick how about 1999 night of champions dillet 1st ruhl 4th

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2a686zo.jpg)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/fy1q92.jpg)



Also this interview is very funny
Quote
# RA: Going back to the Night of Champions competition, what do you wish to say to the people who say you did not deserve to win?

# PD: I don't think anyone could say that, and if they do, I say 'Kiss my ass'. That's all I could say to them I don't give a fuck what they think. They could go fuck themselves. That's how I feel about it. What do they saw when I go into a show, and don't place where I should. Who was going to beat me? Who? Marcus Ruhl? Big guy. He has great condition, but does he have my shape? Not in a million years! Is he bigger? No? On that day, was he harder. Hell yeah...but being the hardest guy does not mean you are going to be the best, the winner, either. There are so many other underlying factors that people do not take into consideration, which is your balance, your symmetry, which, whether you are at your best, or you are not at your best, you are still going to have that. So that will take you a lot further than your conditioning sometimes. You know, you look for the bounds, then you look for the conditioning, so not because your condition was as bad as mine, then you are going to beat me. That is just another factor. If you can't beat me when I am at 60%, how the hell can you beat me when I am at 80%, or 100%, so if someone says 'Oh Paul didn't deserve to win', nobody's going to be always happy. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Some will say "oh yeah, he is supposed to win", some will say "Oh yeah, he is not supposed to win". The fact is it is done, it's over. There is nothing anyone can say or do to change that fact, all we can do is think about the Mr. Olympia, and I guarantee you, there was no one at the Night of Champions that will even get a serious call-out at the Mr. Olympia, so it just goes to show to the one who complain, just shut the fuck up. Kiss my ass once again.
lmao ;D
http://www.getbig.com/iview/dillett990731.htm
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 04, 2010, 08:40:14 AM
Because he looked like a square Huge abnormal shoulders zero arm thickness in regard to triceps or forearms. A boxybuilders worse nightmare torso too big for arms triceps in particular
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on March 04, 2010, 08:55:40 AM
wow its even worse than i thought, poor RUHL has been screwed in more contests than anyone it seems  :-\
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: AC Slater on March 04, 2010, 11:08:10 AM
chick : explain moe el mousawwi beating ruhl at the 09 olympia.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Parker on March 04, 2010, 11:12:45 AM
Even Ronnie!!!!
Doubt it. He only beat Ronnie when Ronnie beat himself. Ronnie accomplished what Vic Richards wanted to do. Beat his true competition, himself.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: affeman on March 04, 2010, 11:13:42 AM
chick : explain moe el mousawwi beating ruhl at the 09 olympia.

.....by 5 places lol

(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/1924.jpg) (http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/1748.jpg)
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Nirvana on March 04, 2010, 12:43:13 PM
whats up with Markus' chest now, it's no longer defined, just big
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Adder on March 04, 2010, 12:58:49 PM
whats up with Markus' chest now, it's no longer defined, just big

this

Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: BIG_STI on March 04, 2010, 01:37:46 PM
Someone post the screen from the 2002 NOC vid where Markus makes Bob look like a child
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Adder on March 04, 2010, 01:55:28 PM
Someone post the screen from the 2002 NOC vid where Markus makes Bob look like a child

(http://i48.tinypic.com/fkm7w2.jpg)

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2wr1cef.jpg)

 :o ;D
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: MCWAY on March 04, 2010, 06:14:01 PM
Chick is an arrogant 'I know it all' prick. If Markus Ruhl would have come up through the NPC he would have been Manion's poster boy and his career would have taken a much more triumphant turn. Markus killed Cutler at the 2000 NOC yet he lost. Markus destroyed everyone at the NOC in 99 and yet he placed 4th. He didn't even place at the 99 Mr. O yet he looked better than Nasser. The list goes on...

Ruhl wasn't a US citizen. He couldn't come up through the NPC. The bottom line is that Ruhl has LOST to other bodybuilders like Art Atwood and Darrem Charles. So, why is it such a weird concept that Jay Cutler beat him?
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: 3Dkiller on March 04, 2010, 06:15:15 PM
that last picture is so sick :o
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: MCWAY on March 04, 2010, 06:15:35 PM
nobody besides mustafa mohammed has been screwed in the placings more times than RUHL.
the worst was in that grand prix show the year jay won the O...markus is standing next to jay and MURDERS him on each and every single shot, beats ronnie too, but still placed 3rd...and jay got 1st when he should have been behind both RUHL and ronnie.

Again, what's the excuse for Ruhl's LOSSES to Atwood and Charles? Atwood (a rookie) BEAT MARKUS RUHL one week after Ruhl won NOC.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Danimal77 on March 04, 2010, 08:39:27 PM
(http://i48.tinypic.com/fkm7w2.jpg)

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2wr1cef.jpg)

 :o ;D

Interesting how Bob Chick claims to be 6'0", yet is the same height, if not shorter than 5'10" Marcus Ruhl ::)
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Schmoe Buster on March 04, 2010, 08:59:44 PM
LOL...do you have any idea what you're talking about?

how many times were you tested Chick?

Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Gino30 on March 05, 2010, 04:14:04 AM
Marcus' trademark width was at the complete expense of creating a pleasing and proportional physique.

It seems Marcus could not impartially judge his own shortcomings.....his arms and back needed a lot more work in terms of quality, while his upper chest and shoulders needed to supplement his appearance rather than dominate.......he needed to step back from the mind-set of being the largest Aryan bastard onstage VS "what do I need to improve to place ahead of these guys in front of me?".

Yes, maybe he got shafted in the placings, but I'm more concerned about his inability to put together a good package......he's a dumb ass German who blew his potential
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: MCWAY on March 05, 2010, 05:56:26 AM
Marcus' trademark width was at the complete expense of creating a pleasing and proportional physique.

It seems Marcus could not impartially judge his own shortcomings.....his arms and back needed a lot more work in terms of quality, while his upper chest and shoulders needed to supplement his appearance rather than dominate.......he needed to step back from the mind-set of being the largest Caucasian bastard onstage VS "what do I need to improve to place ahead of these guys in front of me?".

Yes, maybe he got shafted in the placings, but I'm more concerned about his inability to put together a good package......he's a dumb ass German who blew his potential

Minus the part about his being "dumb", what you mentioned is the "politics" as to why Ruhl can lose to a much smaller bodybuilder like Darrem Charles.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: nukkaready on March 05, 2010, 06:04:54 AM
Ruhl wasn't a US citizen. He couldn't come up through the NPC. The bottom line is that Ruhl has LOST to other bodybuilders like Art Atwood and Darrem Charles. So, why is it such a weird concept that Jay Cutler beat him?

No $hit
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: MCWAY on March 05, 2010, 08:35:12 AM
No $hit

Why don't you highlight the rest?

Your claiming that Ruhl didn't have better success (not that his career wasn't a good one, in its own right), simply because he wasn't an American is utterly silly. Again, the idea that his losing the Jay Cutler is so unfathomble makes no sense. I already listed two bodybuilders, that aren't quite Culter's caliber, THAT HAVE DEFEATED RUHL.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Adder on March 05, 2010, 09:19:44 AM
Why don't you highlight the rest?

Your claiming that Ruhl didn't have better success (not that his career wasn't a good one, in its own right), simply because he wasn't an American is utterly silly. Again, the idea that his losing the Jay Cutler is so unfathomble makes no sense. I already listed two bodybuilders, that aren't quite Culter's caliber, THAT HAVE DEFEATED RUHL.
Comment on his 4th place at 1999 NC... that was fair?no politics at that contest?
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: MCWAY on March 05, 2010, 09:24:17 AM
Comment on his 4th place at 1999 NC... that was fair?no politics at that contest?

NOPE!! Again, Ruhl got beat by a better-proportioned, better-shaped bodybuilder (i.e. Dexter Jackson).

And, that's happened multiple times, again see the 2003 Maximus Pro, where Darrem Charles beat him for the title.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: French on March 05, 2010, 10:18:01 AM
Markus makes Paul look like a child


Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: MCWAY on March 05, 2010, 11:22:18 AM
Markus makes Paul look like a child




And yet, Paul beat him. As did Dexter (who's even smaller than Paul), and Darrem in 2003, who's even SMALLER than Dexter.

Once again, Ruhl losing to smaller bodybuilders ain't some phenomenon.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: SF1900 on March 05, 2010, 11:25:46 AM
Markus makes Paul look like a child




Perhaps, but that doesn't mean he looks better.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: nukkaready on March 05, 2010, 11:35:01 AM
Why don't you highlight the rest?

Your claiming that Ruhl didn't have better success (not that his career wasn't a good one, in its own right), simply because he wasn't an American is utterly silly. Again, the idea that his losing the Jay Cutler is so unfathomble makes no sense. I already listed two bodybuilders, that aren't quite Culter's caliber, THAT HAVE DEFEATED RUHL.

I was at the 1999 & 2000 NOC. Markus destroyed everyone in those shows. Yet he placed 4th in 99 and lost to Jay in 2000. I was at the 1999 Mr. O. Markus didn't place... what a joke.. he looked better than Nasser. I was at the 2003 AC and Markus lost against Culter and Cormier. He clearly looked better than both. Markus never befriended Manion or any of the judges. He got the shaft so many times it is not even funny.

I was not at the shows Markus lost to Atwood and Darrem. So... I won't pass judgement.

I'm purely going by the shows I attended in person and I remember each time I left the auditorium I was so pissed that I swore I will never watch this crap again.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: MCWAY on March 05, 2010, 11:44:23 AM
I was at the 1999 & 2000 NOC. Markus destroyed everyone in those shows. Yet he placed 4th in 99 and lost to Jay in 2000. I was at the 1999 Mr. O. Markus didn't place... what a joke.. he looked better than Nasser. I was at the 2003 AC and Markus lost against Culter and Cormier. He clearly looked better than both. Markus never befriended Manion or any of the judges. He got the shaft so many times it is not even funny.

I was not at the shows Markus lost to Atwood and Darrem. So... I won't pass judgement.

I'm purely going by the shows I attended in person and I remember each time I left the auditorium I was so pissed that I swore I will never watch this crap again.

Does Ruhl have better shape and proportions than those men (Cutler, Cormier, Jackson, etc.)? I'd say NO.

The only thing he has on them is size. He'd have to be spot-on AND have those guys be off, in order to beat them, in my view.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: nukkaready on March 05, 2010, 11:57:12 AM
Does Ruhl have better shape and proportions than those men (Cutler, Cormier, Jackson, etc.)? I'd say NO.

The only thing he has on them is size. He'd have to be spot-on AND have those guys be off, in order to beat them, in my view.

Look... we can make a thread out of this just like the Dorian vs. Ronnie craze and analyze and speculate and what not. In the end you will only get your answer when you see those two guys on stage together.

As far as Markus is concerned I was at those shows I mentioned. I know what I saw. I remember the loud booing I heard. Nothing will convince me otherwise.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on March 05, 2010, 12:08:20 PM
Does Ruhl have better shape and proportions than those men (Cutler, Cormier, Jackson, etc.)? I'd say NO.

The only thing he has on them is size. He'd have to be spot-on AND have those guys be off, in order to beat them, in my view.

shut the fuck up already, theres a hell of alot more to it than 'aesthetically pleasing shape'...according to you steve reeves would win every single modern bbing contest -because NOBODY had the shape and proportions he did.
did Ronald have the best shape and proportions? no.
does fucking cutler have anything that can even be called 'shape'? hell no.

darrem charles should NEVER beat Ruhl in a bodybuilding contest, EVER.

Ruhl beats him on overall development, size, taller, wider, just as good 'shape' and taper, superior chest, delts, traps, quads, hams, calves (darrem doesnt even have legs AT ALL), biceps, back width and thickness, the list goes on... but darrem came 5% more 'conditioned' so he wins.  ::)

what a bunch of bullshit
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Adder on March 05, 2010, 12:38:35 PM
NOPE!! Again, Ruhl got beat by a better-proportioned, better-shaped bodybuilder (i.e. Dexter Jackson).

And, that's happened multiple times, again see the 2003 Maximus Pro, where Darrem Charles beat him for the title.
LMAO better proportioned paul dillet? are you serious?

Charles Darrem never made it to the top 6 of the olympia but ruhl did(next year-2005 he came bloated with lots of water shity condition and from 5th place he took 15place) btw what place did wolf take this year? from 5place last years olympia...yes when you come in with no condition you will lose to anyone.

Art Atwood never made it in the top 10 of the olympia the same year that he beat ruhl he took 12 place at the olympia but ruhl got 8th so what?
Markus beat dexter at the  2000 Toronto Pro Invitational soo what hapened there with the better shaped bodybuilders?

Its very simple Ruhl lost to artwood and darrem because he maybe fucked up the carb loading and was out of shape one week later after NOC just like cutler fucked up his last days before the olympia and lost to Dexter.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: just_a_pilgrim on March 05, 2010, 01:27:12 PM
I was at the 1999 & 2000 NOC. Markus destroyed everyone in those shows. Yet he placed 4th in 99 and lost to Jay in 2000. I was at the 1999 Mr. O. Markus didn't place... what a joke.. he looked better than Nasser. I was at the 2003 AC and Markus lost against Culter and Cormier. He clearly looked better than both. Markus never befriended Manion or any of the judges. He got the shaft so many times it is not even funny.

I was not at the shows Markus lost to Atwood and Darrem. So... I won't pass judgement.

I'm purely going by the shows I attended in person and I remember each time I left the auditorium I was so pissed that I swore I will never watch this crap again.

What about in 1998? Ruhl was 9th? Jonny Moya was 4th! Ruhl looked crazy that year too.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Nirvana on March 05, 2010, 05:34:37 PM
Perhaps, but that doesn't mean he looks better.
he looks much better, Dillet had the worst back of all the pros (and amateurs) and has a film of water here
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: nycbull on March 05, 2010, 06:20:40 PM
someone should start a team Rhul like team Nasser, but better.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: kiwiol on March 05, 2010, 07:23:05 PM
Why did markus lost to nasser at 2000 mr olympia? ??? ??? ???(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=20561&id=41136&Itemid=202)

(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=20561&id=41209&Itemid=266)
wtf? ???

Bigbobs and Sherief must be slipping to let a post like this go unchallenged and counter argued.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: MCWAY on March 05, 2010, 07:40:27 PM
shut the fuck up already, theres a hell of alot more to it than 'aesthetically pleasing shape'...according to you steve reeves would win every single modern bbing contest -because NOBODY had the shape and proportions he did.
did Ronald have the best shape and proportions? no.
does fucking cutler have anything that can even be called 'shape'? hell no.

darrem charles should NEVER beat Ruhl in a bodybuilding contest, EVER.

But he has, and he's beaten him more than once, particularly at the OLYMPIA (along with his 2003 Maximus Pro win).

So, if Ruhl can consistently LOSE to much smaller guys like Darrem Charles, his getting defeated by Jay Cutler ain't that big of a stretch.

Spare me your whining and blubbering.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: MCWAY on March 05, 2010, 07:50:18 PM
LMAO better proportioned paul dillet? are you serious?

Charles Darrem never made it to the top 6 of the olympia but ruhl did(next year-2005 he came bloated with lots of water shity condition and from 5th place he took 15place) btw what place did wolf take this year? from 5place last years olympia...yes when you come in with no condition you will lose to anyone.

Art Atwood never made it in the top 10 of the olympia the same year that he beat ruhl he took 12 place at the olympia but ruhl got 8th so what?
Markus beat dexter at the  2000 Toronto Pro Invitational soo what hapened there with the better shaped bodybuilders?

Its very simple Ruhl lost to artwood and darrem because he maybe fucked up the carb loading and was out of shape one week later after NOC just like cutler fucked up his last days before the olympia and lost to Dexter.

Yes, Ruhl did place as high as 5th at the Olympia. But guess who beat him there: The same guy that beat him at the 1999 NOC, Dexter Jackson (smaller, but with better proportions).

And, if you really want to keep score as far as Dexter Jackson and Markus Ruhl are concerned, Dexter Jackson, MR. OLYMPIA...enough said.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Nirvana on March 06, 2010, 01:44:30 PM
someone should start a team Rhul like team Nasser, but better.
you got it
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Parker on March 06, 2010, 01:55:39 PM
Markus makes Paul look like a child



Marcus does the pose differently. He puts his two knuckles together pushing his elbows and shoulders out. The proper way is to hold one hand clasped around the wrist. This brings the shoulder girdle together. The way Ruhl does it, gives him the illusion of width compared to those who do it properly. And he knows this. In fact, at that contest I believe he should have won against Paul. Paul came out of shape ( not conditioned), both in shape weigh 275-280. Paul I shape just looks better. Both have shitty backs compared their fronts.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Danimal77 on March 06, 2010, 02:08:19 PM
Marcus does the pose differently. He puts his two knuckles together pushing his elbows and shoulders out. The proper way is to hold one hand clasped around the wrist. This brings the shoulder girdle together. The way Ruhl does it, gives him the illusion of width compared to those who do it properly. And he knows this. In fact, at that contest I believe he should have won against Paul. Paul came out of shape ( not conditioned), both in shape weigh 275-280. Paul I shape just looks better. Both have shitty backs compared their fronts.

The only REAL difference between Marcus and Paul is that one had confidence and one didn't.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Parker on March 06, 2010, 02:15:55 PM
The only REAL difference between Marcus and Paul is that one had confidence and one didn't.
Are you talking about the one who got in front of Dorian during the 1993 Posedown and caused a ruckus? Are you talking about the one who apparently hase "flat biceps", if you've seen video you know the joke. Thing is Paul was past his prime in 2000, and beyond. He had virtually no cartilage in his shoulders, numerous operations on the shoulders, doctors telling him to stop competing.

But I think had he trained harder his ass would have dwarfed every living pro bber during his competitive yrs. But he didn't, just like Ruhl will fade into the distance...being beat by a inferior Evan Centopani.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: FREAKgeek on March 06, 2010, 02:16:03 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=322151.0;attach=361964;image)


Is this pic shopped?

Either of Dillet's arms dwarf his chest, and... Ruhl's front lats. Dear Jesus.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Adder on March 06, 2010, 03:14:49 PM
Its not shopped Dillet just have small chest and dont know how  to pose.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: affeman on March 06, 2010, 03:18:58 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=322151.0;attach=361964;image)

How much mass can one guy put on??? :o

Imagine how Ruhl would have wiped the floor with those tiny tits at the Arnold stage today. :D
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 06, 2010, 03:23:58 PM
How much mass can one guy put on??? :o

Imagine how Ruhl would have wiped the floor with thos tiny tits at the Arnold stage today. :D
He always gets jacked by judging not sure why..BB today is all about monsters.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on March 06, 2010, 07:05:01 PM
But he has, and he's beaten him more than once, particularly at the OLYMPIA (along with his 2003 Maximus Pro win).

So, if Ruhl can consistently LOSE to much smaller guys like Darrem Charles, his getting defeated by Jay Cutler ain't that big of a stretch.

Spare me your whining and blubbering.

none of those guys actually beat him. the judges placed them ahead, thats all.
Title: Re: Why didn't Marcus Ruhl place higher?
Post by: MCWAY on March 07, 2010, 09:13:45 PM
none of those guys actually beat him. the judges placed them ahead, thats all.

WRONG!!

Atwood (A ROOKIE) beat Ruhl, one week after Ruhl's glorious win at the 2002 NOC.

And, Charles beat him for the 2003 Maximus Pro, bottom line.

As I've stated, Ruhl's losing to smaller bodybuilders is hardly a surprise. It's happened quite frequently.