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Will be interesting to see what effect they have on the 2010 elections.
Poll: Young Adults Turn Toward GOP
Tuesday, 09 Mar 2010
Young adults between 18 and 29 are anxious about being able to pay for their educational, housing and health care needs. Those are findings from a new poll that suggests many worry they will never be better off than their parents.
The poll by Harvard's Institute of Politics found that six out of 10 of those surveyed worry they may not meet their current bills and obligations. Nearly half of those attending college wonder whether they will be able to afford to stay in school. And more than eight out of 10 said they expect difficulty finding a job after graduation.
Politically, young Republicans are more motivated to vote in the 2010 election than those who described themselves as Democrats. A majority approves of President Barack Obama, but not his handling of top issues.
http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/US-Young-Adults-Poll/2010/03/09/id/352105
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Will be interesting to see what effect they have on the 2010 elections.
Poll: Young Adults Turn Toward GOP
Tuesday, 09 Mar 2010
Young adults between 18 and 29 are anxious about being able to pay for their educational, housing and health care needs. Those are findings from a new poll that suggests many worry they will never be better off than their parents.
The poll by Harvard's Institute of Politics found that six out of 10 of those surveyed worry they may not meet their current bills and obligations. Nearly half of those attending college wonder whether they will be able to afford to stay in school. And more than eight out of 10 said they expect difficulty finding a job after graduation.
Politically, young Republicans are more motivated to vote in the 2010 election than those who described themselves as Democrats. A majority approves of President Barack Obama, but not his handling of top issues.
http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/US-Young-Adults-Poll/2010/03/09/id/352105
They dont want to slaves to Obama's debt.
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They dont want to slaves to Obama's debt.
Might be too late. :-\
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i am 27 and i will never vote dem or for any progressive. I am responsible for myself and i dont want help or free shit from anyone, thats what the lotto is for
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They dont want to slaves to Obama's debt.
it's definitely too late for Bush's debt
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It's weird how NewsMax would have this story but not a link to the actual poll
Maybe they don't want their audience to look at the source material and draw their own conclusions
http://www.iop.harvard.edu/var/ezp_site/storage/fckeditor/file/Harvard_IOP_Fall%20_09%20Topline_Final.pdf
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In general, do you approve or disapprove of the job performance of:
12. Barack Obama as President?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
Approve.......................................................... 58% 57%
Disapprove ........................ ........................ ..... 39% 42%
Refused ........................ ........................ .......... 3% 1%
13. The Democrats in Congress?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
Approve.......................................................... 48% 46%
Disapprove ........................ ........................ ..... 49% 53%
Refused ........................ ........................ .......... 3% 1%
14. The Republicans in Congress?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
Approve.......................................................... 35% 35%
Disapprove ........................ ........................ ..... 62% 64%
Refused ........................ ........................ .......... 3% 1%
What's weird is when you get into issues there is higher disapproval rating which seems incongruent with the 58% approval rating above:
Now, thinking specifically about Barack Obama, do you approve or disapprove of the way he is handling:
15. Health care?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
Approve................. ........................ ................. 44% 44%
Disapprove ........................ ........................ ..... 52% 53%
Refused ........................ ........................ .......... 4% 3%
16. The federal budget deficit?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
Approve................. ........................ ................. 38% 40%
Disapprove ........................ ........................ ..... 58% 58%
Refused ........................ ........................ .......... 4% 2%
17. Afghanistan?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
Approve................. ........................ ................. 41% 46%
Disapprove ........................ ........................ ..... 55% 51%
Refused ........................ ........................ .......... 4% 3%
18. The economy?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
Approve................. ........................ ................. 44% 45%
Disapprove ........................ ........................ ..... 52% 53%
Refused ........................ ........................ .......... 4% 2%
19. Iran?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
Approve................. ........................ ................. 42% 49%
Disapprove ........................ ........................ ..... 53% 48%
Refused ........................ ........................ .......... 5% 3%
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here we go with blaming bush, its been more than a year and obama hasnt done one thing to even change the direction bush took us, he has accelerated the train wreck now to the point where it may not ever be fixed. yes bush fucked alot up, bammer had a chance to fix it, he fucked that off and is still fucking off whatever chance he had left, get over bush its been over a year, ohhh and not to mention in that one year bammer spent more than bush did in all 8 SOMETHING TO PONDER
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This question is interesting
I wonder why NewsMax didn't use the headline that a majority of college students don't consider themselves to be Born Again Christians:
43. Which one of these best describes your religious preference?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
Catholic ........................ ........................ .......... 22% 20%
Protestant.............. ........................ .................. 14% 20%
Fundamentalist/Evangelical Christian ........... 13% 13%
Jewish.................. ........................ ................... 2% 5%
LDS/Mormon................................................. 2% 1%
Muslim ........................ ........................ ........... * -
Another religion ........................ ..................... 12% 9%
No religious preference.............. .................... 20% 20%
Not sure.................... ........................ .............. 4% 3%
Decline to answer.................. ........................ . 11% 8%
[If “Catholic, Protestant, Fundamentalist/Evangelical, or another religion,” in Q43 ask]
44. Do you consider yourself a born-again Christian?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
(n=1,388) (n=272)
Yes ........................ ........................ ................. 37% 36%
No................................................................... 51% 54%
Not sure.................... ........................ .............. 9% 8%
Decline to answer.................. ........................ . 4% 3%
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here we go with blaming bush, its been more than a year and obama hasnt done one thing to even change the direction bush took us, he has accelerated the train wreck now to the point where it may not ever be fixed. yes bush fucked alot up, bammer had a chance to fix it, he fucked that off and is still fucking off whatever chance he had left, get over bush its been over a year, ohhh and not to mention in that one year bammer spent more than bush did in all 8 SOMETHING TO PONDER
It really shouldn't be about Blaming BUSH or even Obama at this point. We should be blaming all our politicians. They sat on both parties and got corrupt and fat and did nothing to stop the direction we were going. "Bammer" is just doing the same things Bush was told to do.
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It really shouldn't be about Blaming BUSH or even Obama at this point. We should be blaming all our politicians. They sat on both parties and got corrupt and fat and did nothing to stop the direction we were going. "Bammer" is just doing the same things Bush was told to do.
Yes, but he pressed on the accelerator far sooner, faster, and depper than Bush did.
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!
any young person voting for Obama in 2012 deserves their chains and slavery.
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It really shouldn't be about Blaming BUSH or even Obama at this point. We should be blaming all our politicians. They sat on both parties and got corrupt and fat and did nothing to stop the direction we were going. "Bammer" is just doing the same things Bush was told to do.
well to be fair the Repubs used reconciliation to pass the Bush Tax Cuts I and II and only a few Dems voted for it
I think those two bills alone cost us ~ 1.8 trillion (could be wrong on that # - just going from memory)
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It really shouldn't be about Blaming BUSH or even Obama at this point. We should be blaming all our politicians. They sat on both parties and got corrupt and fat and did nothing to stop the direction we were going. "Bammer" is just doing the same things Bush was told to do.
Exactly, why does congress get a free pass? They play this BS game that its all the POTUS fault when they control the money. They are just as culpable if not more so for sitting there and voting for all this insane shit.
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Yes, but he pressed on the accelerator far sooner, faster, and depper than Bush did.
True.
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Yes, but he pressed on the accelerator far sooner, faster, and depper than Bush did.
yep - but only in an attempt to fix the flaming bag of dogshit that Bush left for him
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Yes, but he pressed on the accelerator far sooner, faster, and depper than Bush did.
Who says anyone else wouldn't have done just the same? It all went out the window when BUSH, leader of the conservatives started off with a 800 billion dollar (what ever it was) ball out.
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any young person voting for Obama in 2012 deserves their chains and slavery.
By the same logic so does anyone who voted for BUSH in 2004.
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Exactly, why does congress get a free pass? They play this BS game that its all the POTUS fault when they control the money. They are just as culpable if not more so for sitting there and voting for all this insane shit.
Right, the problem is with our elected governing body of sell outs.
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It really shouldn't be about Blaming BUSH or even Obama at this point. We should be blaming all our politicians. They sat on both parties and got corrupt and fat and did nothing to stop the direction we were going. "Bammer" is just doing the same things Bush was told to do.
I agree. The folks in DC are just reckless when it comes to spending other people's (our) money.
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I agree. The folks in DC are just reckless when it comes to spending other people's (our) money.
It's sickening, because what we are left with one skewed body of balance. Is the republican party even close to how it was 30 years ago?
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Right, the problem is with our elected governing body of sell outs.
Self preservation = Sellouts
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Right, the problem is with our elected governing body of sell outs.
well I'm sure now that the Supreme Court has ruled that corporations can spend an unlimited amount of money supporting a candidate (or destroying one) I'm sure things will change for the better.......wait, scratch that.
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It's sickening, because what we are left with one skewed body of balance. Is the republican party even close to how it was 30 years ago?
I don't know what to make of the current Republican Party. No true leader, no clear message. They have a golden opportunity in 2010, and I'm not sure they will be able to take advantage of it. They need to come up with a definitive plan on how to fix this mess.
Democrats too.
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well I'm sure now that the Supreme Court has ruled that corporations can spend an unlimited amount of money supporting a candidate (or destroying one) I'm sure things will change for the better.......wait, scratch that.
:P :'(
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I've now read that entire poll and I can't figure out how NewsMax can justify the headline that says "Young Adults Turn Toward GOP".
Seems very misleading at best or just complete fabrication at worst
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Beach Welcome Back---
Not a moment too soon! ;D
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What I don't understand is why anyone would turn to either party. Its like smelling a pile of horse shit and then a pile of dog shit and having to pick which one stinks less.
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Beach Welcome Back---
Not a moment too soon! ;D
:D Thanks mang. I see you are still at the top of your game. :)
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I've now read that entire poll and I can't figure out how NewsMax can justify the headline that says "Young Adults Turn Toward GOP".
Seems very misleading at best or just complete fabrication at worst
Something else that's weird is that there is no author listed on that article.
I was going to email the author and ask him/her to explain how they read that poll and arrived at such a misdleading title.
Hmmmmm - I wonder why NewsMax doesn't bother to link the source material for their stories and doesn't even list the author of the article.
Seems weird for a "News" organization
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Wow, majority of kids still love some obama
In general, do you approve or disapprove of the job performance of:
12. Barack Obama as President?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
Approve................. ........................ ................. 58% 57%
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Something else that's weird is that there is no author listed on that article.
I was going to email the author and ask him/her to explain how they read that poll and arrived at such a misdleading title.
Hmmmmm - I wonder why NewsMax doesn't bother to link the source material for their stories and doesn't even list the author of the article.
Seems weird for a "News" organization
whats also weird is that every question asked about obama and specific policies or agendas got a bigger disapproval than approval rating from the kids but his overall approval was still 57% ish...when you email the auther ask about that as well ;)
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In general, do you approve or disapprove of the job performance of:
12. Barack Obama as President?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
Approve.......................................................... 58% 57%
Disapprove ........................ ........................ ..... 39% 42%
Refused ........................ ........................ .......... 3% 1%
13. The Democrats in Congress?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
Approve.......................................................... 48% 46%
Disapprove ........................ ........................ ..... 49% 53%
Refused ........................ ........................ .......... 3% 1%
14. The Republicans in Congress?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
Approve.......................................................... 35% 35%
Disapprove ........................ ........................ ..... 62% 64%
Refused ........................ ........................ .......... 3% 1%
What's weird is when you get into issues there is higher disapproval rating which seems incongruent with the 58% approval rating above:
Now, thinking specifically about Barack Obama, do you approve or disapprove of the way he is handling:
15. Health care?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
Approve................. ........................ ................. 44% 44%
Disapprove ........................ ........................ ..... 52% 53%
Refused ........................ ........................ .......... 4% 3%
16. The federal budget deficit?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
Approve................. ........................ ................. 38% 40%
Disapprove ........................ ........................ ..... 58% 58%
Refused ........................ ........................ .......... 4% 2%
17. Afghanistan?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
Approve................. ........................ ................. 41% 46%
Disapprove ........................ ........................ ..... 55% 51%
Refused ........................ ........................ .......... 4% 3%
18. The economy?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
Approve................. ........................ ................. 44% 45%
Disapprove ........................ ........................ ..... 52% 53%
Refused ........................ ........................ .......... 4% 2%
19. Iran?
Total: 4-Year
18-29 College
Approve................. ........................ ................. 42% 49%
Disapprove ........................ ........................ ..... 53% 48%
Refused ........................ ........................ .......... 5% 3%
yep
I noticed that too
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Agreed. I think people generally like Obama, particularly young people...but many are not happy with the state of politics (which stinks on both sides and has become increasingly inflammatory and polarized) and don't favor hard left agendas. There are probably more kids who are open to progressive ideas but as the debt mounts and taxes slowly increase, I think people are thinking twice about expanding entitlements and overtaxation for working folks (as college kids are about to enter the workforce).
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young people like him cause he tries to be cool sounding and can talk about things young people like, thats part of why he was elected he talks alot... or many young people that like him do so because they are currently being indoctorenated at a university, where liberal garbage is being pushed on them more and more every day. many people my age or younger that i know couldnt even tell you any of bammers stances, but like him cause he saounds cool and he made history
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Yes, but he pressed on the accelerator far sooner, faster, and depper than Bush did.
Fucking hilarious...Yall talk about the effects of Clinton on one end...and then think bushs effect just stopped on november 5th...freaking amazing...Like There arent any Fucking effects of the IRAQ war goin going on. Kiss my fucking ass. You cant undo 8 years of fuckery in 1 year with a bunch of 12 year olds in congress and senate (repubes)
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Fucking hilarious...Yall talk about the effects of Clinton on one end...and then think bushs effect just stopped on november 5th...freaking amazing...Like There arent any Fucking effects of the IRAQ war goin going on. Kiss my fucking ass. You cant undo 8 years of fuckery in 1 year with a bunch of 12 year olds in congress and senate (repubes)
The Stim Bill alone cost more than the entire Iraq War.
Even the CBO just said Bammer's budgets add 1.2 TRILLION more to the deficit than he even said based on his spending addiction. .
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how do you explain putting the country in 4x more debt in less than one year than clinton and bush combined
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The Stim Bill alone cost more than the entire Iraq War.
Even the CBO just said Bammer's budgets add 1.2 TRILLION more to the deficit than he even said based on his spending addiction. .
Dude he did that to get a fucked up economy that BUSH left, jumpstarted...aint like he just felt like doing it...Shit was fucked up beyonf all recognition.....miss me with that shit bro
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jump started lol when is that supposed to happen 6 years later like healthcare, even though we soooo desperatly need it now says bammer, no he just needs our money now cause stim was an epic fucking miserable failure, and these morons want to control healthcare??? lol :o
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Yeah, spending money on monkey handlers, studying the sex habits of mosquitos, studying drunk women in costa rican bars, money to acorn et al is really helping? ::) ::)
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how do you explain putting the country in 4x more debt in less than one year than clinton and bush combined
Jesus H Freaking Christ...i bet you are the same kind of guy that says "there is no climate change because its cold in the winter) Amazing...Like i said before...Its not like Bush Left a situation that didnt cause for drastic measures..His policies and the idiology of Republicans are the whole reason the shit was so fucked up. And you gonna now blame it on the new guy whose policies havent had a chance to have a long term effect...We know the short term effect was to keep us out of the economic abyss that Dubya lead us too...like i said...miss me with the bullshit
I said i was staying off the political board because of the pure retardness thay infests this board...But thats the problem..we are so amazed and fustrated by the sheer idiotic statements that we rather do with out it and people truly believe that shit...
Death Pannels ::)
Palin 2012 ::)
are you fuckin shittin me
Really?...really?...thats whats goin on now...makin shit up...fuckin amazing
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and studying cow shit.. ???
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jump started lol when is that supposed to happen 6 years later like healthcare, even though we soooo desperatly need it now says bammer, no he just needs our money now cause stim was an epic fucking miserable failure, and these morons want to control healthcare??? lol :o
Was the stim a failure...Did we not need it? What was your suggestion
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progressives are why shit is fucked up on both rep and dem side, the lack of the constitution and what it says when making policies and laws, and forgeting what the founding fathers said is why things are so fucked up progressives on both sides are bringing this country down ,clinton bush bammer and any other puppets that want to expand government , you sure are fast to bash the reps mal but you act like dems are peachy keen, they are all fucked off , the diff in you and i is i am not blinded by one side.
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Was the stim a failure...Did we not need it? What was your suggestion
And then...if the fucking stim pack didnt work...and wasnt good...why were repub gov's takin the money for their states...
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Jesus H Freaking Christ...i bet you are the same kind of guy that says "there is no climate change because its cold in the winter) Amazing...Like i said before...Its not like Bush Left a situation that didnt cause for drastic measures..His policies and the idiology of Republicans are the whole reason the shit was so fucked up. And you gonna now blame it on the new guy whose policies havent had a chance to have a long term effect...We know the short term effect was to keep us out of the economic abyss that Dubya lead us too...like i said...miss me with the bullshit
I said i was staying off the political board because of the pure retardness thay infests this board...But thats the problem..we are so amazed and fustrated by the sheer idiotic statements that we rather do with out it and people truly believe that shit...
Death Pannels ::)
Palin 2012 ::)
are you fuckin shittin me
Really?...really?...thats whats goin on now...makin shit up...fuckin amazing
1. Yes there will be rationining and people will die. Call it community rating board, communist stadanrd, comparative effectiveness, whatever, this will occur.
2. I don tthink palin will run and she probably shouldnt so far.
3. We already know the long term effects of obama's policies as per the CBO.
4. Global Warming followers always point to the hot weather in the summer to confirm global warming yet you dont want us to point to freezing winters to point to the lack of it? A little hypocritical no?
5. Why dont you place any blame on the C$%T leader of the Congress who has been there since 2006? The congress signs off on the budget correct?
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if a company is going to fail let it, if i ran my business like shit, it should fail by all means. and mal you brought retarded back my friend in fact i think everytime i read your post i feel my iq drop a bit,
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And then...if the fucking stim pack didnt work...and wasnt good...why were repub gov's takin the money for their states...
Because their citizens have to pay taxes to fund this garbage regardless.
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Jesus H Freaking Christ...i bet you are the same kind of guy that says "there is no climate change because its cold in the winter) Amazing...Like i said before...Its not like Bush Left a situation that didnt cause for drastic measures..His policies and the idiology of Republicans are the whole reason the shit was so fucked up. And you gonna now blame it on the new guy whose policies havent had a chance to have a long term effect...We know the short term effect was to keep us out of the economic abyss that Dubya lead us too...like i said...miss me with the bullshit
I said i was staying off the political board because of the pure retardness thay infests this board...But thats the problem..we are so amazed and fustrated by the sheer idiotic statements that we rather do with out it and people truly believe that shit...
Death Pannels ::)
Palin 2012 ::)
are you fuckin shittin me
Really?...really?...thats whats goin on now...makin shit up...fuckin amazing
George Bush-54 consecutive months of job growth
Obama-36,000 jobs lost in a month is a great day[according to Harry Reid]
Bush unemployment under 6%
Obama-10%
Now,the repbublicans may be like kids,but Obama had a fillibuster proof majority in the senate and a super majority in the house.If he cant get shit done,its HIS FAULT!!!!!!Not republicans.Its his absolute failure,his assanine policies.
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just because a junky takes crack from his dealer doesnt make it good
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progressives are why shit is fucked up on both rep and dem side, the lack of the constitution and what it says when making policies and laws, and forgeting what the founding fathers said is why things are so fucked up progressives on both sides are bringing this country down ,clinton bush bammer and any other puppets that want to expand government , you sure are fast to bash the reps mal but you act like dems are peachy keen, they are all fucked off , the diff in you and i is i am not blinded by one side.
No no no, my friend...i do blame dems as well...the ultra liberal Maxine Waters "give houses to everyone" + the " we dont need no oversight of anything" of the repubs + the "lets get this money without any product" Wall street fags= The cluster fuck we are in now...But you do have to add in the "find al queda...sike....i mean find the weapons of mass detruction....sike...ope ration iraqi freedom...and then just stay there spending 3bil/week" is fuckin shit up too
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No no no, my friend...i do blame dems as well...the ultra liberal Maxine Waters "give houses to everyone" + the " we dont need no oversight of anything" of the repubs + the "lets get this money without any product" Wall street fags= The cluster fuck we are in now...But you do have to add in the "find al queda...sike....i mean find the weapons of mass detruction....sike...ope ration iraqi freedom...and then just stay there spending 3bil/week" is fuckin shit up too
Yet every democrat from Kennedy to Kerry believed their were weapons of mass destruction.
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George Bush-54 consecutive months of job growth
Obama-36,000 jobs lost in a month is a great day[according to Harry Reid]
Bush unemployment under 6%
Obama-10%
Now,the repbublicans may be like kids,but Obama had a fillibuster proof majority in the senate and a super majority in the house.If he cant get shit done,its HIS FAULT!!!!!!Not republicans.Its his absolute failure,his assanine policies.
Fool, obama didnt come in and cause the fuckin economy to fail and jobs to go...In a year when he "PRINTED MONEY" Thats just dumb as hell to think that...and more stupid to put it on the board...u are smarter than that.. The job loss was a result of the economy failing...and we all know obama didnt start that...what the fuck
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Yet every democrat from Kennedy to Kerry believed their were weapons of mass destruction.
no one thought the prez was gonna lie to us...wth
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no one thought the prez was gonna lie to us...wth
So let me get this right, you believe that only Bush saw the intel and congress was completely in the dark?
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Fool, obama didnt come in and cause the fuckin economy to fail and jobs to go...In a year when he "PRINTED MONEY" Thats just dumb as hell to think that...and more stupid to put it on the board...u are smarter than that.. The job loss was a result of the economy failing...and we all know obama didnt start that...what the fuck
NO ONE blamed him for the economy.However,we can blame him for making it worse!Ford didnt take a dime from Obama,take a look at how they are doing compared to GM.The stimulus is actually a hinderance as is the permanent extending of unemployment benefits,as is the threat of health care as is the threat of cap and trade as is the threat of card check as is the threat of tax increases.
The economy went into a recession,but Obamas policies are making it much much much worse then it had to be.
By the way the democrats had access to the same intel as Bush did,their conclusion?Saddam has WMDs.Clintons conclusuion?Saddam had WMDs.Gores conclusion?Clinton had WMDs.This wasnt a lie,it was poor intel.
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So let me get this right, you believe that only Bush saw the intel and congress was completely in the dark?
na....but thought congress voted in faith that the presidents intel team was really real
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na....but thought congress voted in faith that the presidents intel team was really real
I didnt know that the CIA was part of the presidents intel team.
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I didnt know that the CIA was part of the presidents intel team.
who does the cia report to. who appoints the head...get the fuck out of here with the symantics
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who does the cia report to. who appoints the head...get the fuck out of here with the symantics
Everyone thought Saddam had WMD, not just Bush.
It was a gamble and bet that turned out to be wrong.
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The head of the CIA reports to the DNI who is appointed by the POTUS. I'm not going to get into a long debate about this because well its been done before. Everyone focus's on WMD when there was a laundry list of reasons for going into Iraq, the cease fire agreement being broken is first and foremost in my opinion. Was the contiuation of the Iraq war illegal? No. Was it a bad idea and shitty timing? Yes.
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The head of the CIA reports to the DNI who is appointed by the POTUS. I'm not going to get into a long debate about this because well its been done before. Everyone focus's on WMD when there was a laundry list of reasons for going into Iraq, the cease fire agreement being broken is first and foremost in my opinion. Was the contiuation of the Iraq war illegal? No. Was it a bad idea and shitty timing? Yes.
Laundry list? And that justifies the loss of American lives? Breaking some agreement thousands of miles away doesn't justify in my mind any loss of american lives. IMO, BUSH was irresponsible in his handling of Iraq. We had war fever and he took advantage of it.
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Laundry list? And that justifies the loss of American lives? Breaking some agreement thousands of miles away doesn't justify in my mind any loss of american lives. IMO, BUSH was irresponsible in his handling of Iraq. We had war fever and he took advantage of it.
You can try to spin it anyway you want, but some agreement was a cease fire agreement. The gulf war did not end in an Iraqi surrender, we just stopped blowing them up and called for cease fire. Now if you think its OK for them to paint our jets with lasers and fire missles at them, when they agreed not to.......
Now I'm not saying Iraq was the smart move because it wasn't, and it's not hard to find info from those with boots on the ground about all the shit that was found in Iraq. You see the problem is Iraq did not have a delivery system, therefore the "WMD" can not be classified as such.
IMHO opinion every war the US has been in since WWII has been handled irresponsibly by politicians. I believe in total war, if you are going to fight you may as well do it right. Winning hearts and minds is a dumbass strategy that has yet to work, you kill em until they loose the will to fight, they might not like you but they will respect you and think twice about fucking with you a second time.
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You can try to spin it anyway you want, but some agreement was a cease fire agreement. The gulf war did not end in an Iraqi surrender, we just stopped blowing them up and called for cease fire. Now if you think its OK for them to paint our jets with lasers and fire missles at them, when they agreed not to.......
Now I'm not saying Iraq was the smart move because it wasn't, and it's not hard to find info from those with boots on the ground about all the shit that was found in Iraq. You see the problem is Iraq did not have a delivery system, therefore the "WMD" can not be classified as such.
IMHO opinion every war the US has been in since WWII has been handled irresponsibly by politicians. I believe in total war, if you are going to fight you may as well do it right. Winning hearts and minds is a dumbass strategy that has yet to work, you kill em until they loose the will to fight, they might not like you but they will respect you and think twice about fucking with you a second time.
I'm not trying to spin anything. You and I are closer to agreeing about this than you may think. I don't think it was smart move or executed smartly.
Finding justification is easy. America found it in the WMD's that did not exist because even after 9/11 breaking "rules and agreements weren't good enough for the american people to lose lives over. The question is, does Iraq justify the loss of thousands of american lives? I say no. Period. Afghanistan, Yes. Iraq, no way.
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can't get fooled again
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Fool, obama didnt come in and cause the fuckin economy to fail and jobs to go...In a year when he "PRINTED MONEY" Thats just dumb as hell to think that...and more stupid to put it on the board...u are smarter than that.. The job loss was a result of the economy failing...and we all know obama didnt start that...what the fuck
Its getting hard to say that he isnt making it worse or that he is not hindering recovery. The stock market collapsed under his watch 22%, after it had remained relatively calm for threee months under Bush after the fall panic. Unemployment has accelerated under his watch. He inherited this recession when it was 13 months old, which is when most recessions end. It is now about 27 months old. The stock market is now back up in the 10000 range. Shoudnt job losses have atleast stopped? Speculation is that companies are waiting to hire with items such as Obamacare on the table becuase they want to know what thier expenses are going to be. You have to atlease admit that the burden of proof is on him in regards to whether or not the stimulus worked, and you have to admit that he made a bad decision trying to tackle healthcare reform when what we need are jobs.
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Its getting hard to say that he isnt making it worse or that he is not hindering recovery. The stock market collapsed under his watch 22%, after it had remained relatively calm for threee months under Bush after the fall panic. Unemployment has accelerated under his watch. He inherited this recession when it was 13 months old, which is when most recessions end. It is now about 27 months old. The stock market is now back up in the 10000 range. Shoudnt job losses have atleast stopped? Speculation is that companies are waiting to hire with items such as Obamacare on the table becuase they want to know what thier expenses are going to be. You have to atlease admit that the burden of proof is on him in regards to whether or not the stimulus worked, and you have to admit that he made a bad decision trying to tackle healthcare reform when what we need are jobs.
I have explained to 240 now for well over a year that no business is going to hire anyone until Obama does a 180 Degree change on his agenda.
Obama is intentionally crashing the private the economy and loves this.
Remember these gems? Anyone who thinks the Democrats are not full blown marxist communists radicals needs to only consider these.
YOU GUYS WERE WARNED BUT TO DAMN STUPID AND CAUGHT UP IN THE HOPE AND CHANGE LIES TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON.
JUST WATCH THESE AND ASK YOURSELF IF THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT THE AVERAGE AMERICAN.
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People are wising up to this radical communist.
YES EVERYONE - HERE IT IS! DO YOU NEED MORE PROOF?
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People are wising up to this radical communist.
333 - serious question. Do you have any clue what an idiot you sound like everytime you call Obama a Communist.
it's just f'ng laughable
have you ever been to a Communist country?
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333 - serious question. Do you have any clue what an idiot you sound like everytime you call Obama a Communist.
it's just f'ng laughable
have you ever been to a Communist country?
He is not going to do it overnight and he knows he cant admit it. Did you even watch my clips? Of course not, because the truth is too hard for you to accept.
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He is not going to do it overnight and he knows he cant admit it. Did you even watch my clips? Of course not, because the truth is too hard for you to accept.
I don't watch your clips for the same reason I don't watch Glenn Beck (though I admit his show with Massa was riveting)
because you're both loony
you have periods of intermittent sanity but for the most part you're a certified nut if you think Obama has a secret (or not so secret) Communist agenda
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I don't watch your clips for the same reason I don't watch Glenn Beck (though I admit his show with Massa was riveting)
because you're both loony
you have periods of intermittent sanity but for the most part you're a certified nut if you think Obama has a secret (or not so secret) Communist agenda
Hysterical - they are direct clips from obama and those around him. This is not glen beck or rush but Obama right from his mouth admitting to everything I have claimed.
So ignore it if you wish. More and more people every day are waking up to this attempted marxist revolution.
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Hysterical - they are direct clips from obama and those around him. This is not glen beck or rush but Obama right from his mouth admitting to everything I have claimed.
So ignore it if you wish. More and more people every day are waking up to this attempted marxist revolution.
since only you, Beck and a handful of your fellow patriots "know" the truth what are your plans
are you going to form a resistance group or are you just going to flee the country and try to find another country that resembles
1950's America?
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since only you, Beck and a handful of your fellow patriots "know" the truth what are your plans
are you going to form a resistance group or are you just going to flee the country and try to find another country that resembles
1950's America?
So you dont believe the words coming right from obama himself in those clips?
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So you dont believe the words coming right from obama himself in those clips?
I watched enough of your 5 second clips to know they are worthless
AGAIN - if you truly think Obama is a secret Commie then you're a nut
time will tell if you're right or I'm right
you don't need to waste your time asking me again
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I watched enough of your 5 second clips to know they are worthless
AGAIN - if you truly think Obama is a secret Commie then you're a nut
time will tell if you're right or I'm right
you don't need to waste your time asking me again
Your name fits you perfectly.
Those clips perfectly prove every claim I have ever made about Obama.
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Your name fits you perfectly.
Those clips perfectly prove every claim I have ever made about Obama.
is it frustrating for you to know the "truth" and yet have people laugh at you and think you're crazy?
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Who thinks I am crazy other than the one or two marxist "progressives" on this board such as yourself?
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Who thinks I am crazy other than the one or two marxist "progressives" on this board such as yourself?
probably just your family and friends and most people who meet you
don't worry comrade, I'm sure you'll get the last laugh
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probably just your family and friends and most people who meet you
don't worry comrade, I'm sure you'll get the last laugh
Whatever dude, more people agree with my views than do yours probably 5x over at least.
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Whatever dude, more people agree with my views than do yours probably 5x over at least.
Absolutley wrong. I dont know anyone who does a news flash on Obamas every move but everyone of them is negative...Like every single one...Broski, you dont live in a realistic world.
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I'm not trying to spin anything. You and I are closer to agreeing about this than you may think. I don't think it was smart move or executed smartly.
Finding justification is easy. America found it in the WMD's that did not exist because even after 9/11 breaking "rules and agreements weren't good enough for the american people to lose lives over. The question is, does Iraq justify the loss of thousands of american lives? I say no. Period. Afghanistan, Yes. Iraq, no way.
Like I said they found all the ingredients to make the WMD, they just weren't combined and put ina delivery system, you can take that for what its worth. More than likely as soon as the heat was off Sadam would begin production of WMD again, but we will never know for sure.
If we ( the UN coalition, whatever you want to call it) had done things right in 91, we would not have needed/wanted to go back. We go to war we fight and then let the "bad guy" off the hook in the end, seems counter productive to me.
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Absolutley wrong. I dont know anyone who does a news flash on Obamas every move but everyone of them is negative...Like every single one...Broski, you dont live in a realistic world.
Your right, I live in NYC , the devils den of liberal insanity.
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Like I said they found all the ingredients to make the WMD, they just weren't combined and put ina delivery system, you can take that for what its worth. More than likely as soon as the heat was off Sadam would begin production of WMD again, but we will never know for sure.
If we ( the UN coalition, whatever you want to call it) had done things right in 91, we would not have needed/wanted to go back. We go to war we fight and then let the "bad guy" off the hook in the end, seems counter productive to me.
Doesn't every country have ingredients to make WMD's? Even if Saddam had started making them it doesn't justify American lives unless he used them which he wouldn't. Why? Because he was a thug in charge. And the last thing a thug in charge wants to do is lose his thug in charge-ness.
I also Agree that we should have finished the job in 91.
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Doesn't every country have ingredients to make WMD's? Even if Saddam had started making them it doesn't justify American lives unless he used them which he wouldn't. Why? Because he was a thug in charge. And the last thing a thug in charge wants to do is lose his thug in charge-ness.
I also Agree that we should have finished the job in 91.
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Posting a video of Cheney doesn't mean shit, he was wrong. It had nothing to do with a quagmire, The UN on down only wanted him out of Kuwait. They also feared that if Saddam was removed it would destabalize the region, Iraq and Iran already had a long bloody war. Iran might want a little pay back with the Iraqi strongman gone.