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Title: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 09:47:48 AM
Once you have a belief, that belief limits the power of your mind.
Less belief you have, your power of mind revive and,
the absolute liberty of our own begin to show up from the deep.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 14, 2010, 09:51:19 AM
if people didn't believe in gravity things would fall up



true story
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 09:53:13 AM
if people didn't believe in gravity things would fall up



true story
Seriously, the scientists of today begin to suspect the existance of gravity like its a ilusion caused by our conciousness.
Funny and curious.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 14, 2010, 09:54:38 AM
What you are talking about is not true belief but clinging to an idealistic idea.
True belief is absolute truth.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 14, 2010, 09:56:21 AM
Once you have a belief, that belief limits the power of your mind.
Less belief you have, your power of mind revive and,
the absolute liberty of our own begin to show up from the deep.
Yep, I have trained people and added more weight and told them it was the same but they did more reps with the new weight as believing it was the same weight as last time = example
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 14, 2010, 09:56:42 AM
Seriously, the scientists of today begin to suspect the existance of gravity like its a ilusion caused by our conciousness.
Funny and curious.

i ws gonna make  a cher joke but...
http://www.dhushara.com/book/quantcos/penrose/penr.htm
http://www.consciousentities.com/penrose.htm
buy and read this book <also valid google searches : quantum consciousness. Rogerpenrose and microtubules>    there...i helped
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/ekitap.ekitap/SFaV_P-r1UI/AAAAAAAAAFE/yQnmWvteuTU/emperors.new.mind_thumb%5B2%5D.jpg)
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 09:56:55 AM
What you are talking about is not true belief but clinging to an idealistic idea.
True belief is absolute truth.
You cant never be concious of the absolute truth like a flog can see only moving things.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 09:57:52 AM
i ws gonna make  a cher joke but...
http://www.dhushara.com/book/quantcos/penrose/penr.htm
http://www.consciousentities.com/penrose.htm
buy and read this book <also valid google searches : quantum consciousness. Rogerpenrose and microtubules>    there...i helped
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/ekitap.ekitap/SFaV_P-r1UI/AAAAAAAAAFE/yQnmWvteuTU/emperors.new.mind_thumb%5B2%5D.jpg)
Super famous great book.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 14, 2010, 10:02:20 AM
You cant never be concious of the absolute truth like a flog can see only moving things.

Sure you can be conscious of the absolute truth, your statement above is self contradictory.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 10:05:27 AM
Sure you can be conscious of the absolute truth, your statement above is self contradictory.
Yes. Absolutely.
Our true liberty is where our mind dont exist. Therefore, our mind cant be free as long as existing.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 14, 2010, 10:08:28 AM
Yes. Absolutely.
Our true liberty is where our mind dont exist. Therefore, our mind cant be free as long as existing.

And yet your mind thinks it speaks absolute truth all the time in this thread. ;D
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: EL Mariachi on March 14, 2010, 10:08:36 AM
look at it this way,

richard bandler is the founder of nlp and a good hypnotist. one client asked him help to quit smoking, what bandler did is put him in trance and inplanted belief that he never smoked in his life. the guy didnt smoke anymore after that because when you think you never smoked you re not addicted to it, he was looking at pictures with his wife and he even had a cigarette in his hand during wedding pics, so the wife said to him look you did smoke, but when the guy looks at the pic he doesnt see the cigarette. its all about programming the mind, even the sun is illusion, collective illusion.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 10:10:47 AM
And yet your mind thinks it speaks absoulte truth all the time in this thread. ;D
Yes. ;D
Our mind should keep on moving in order to keep on existing. ;D
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 10:12:20 AM
look at it this way,

richard bandler is the founder of nlp and a good hypnotist. one client asked him help to quit smoking, what bandler did is put him in trance and inplanted belief that he never smoked in his life. the guy didnt smoke anymore after that because when you think you never smoked you re not addicted to it, he was looking at pictures with his wife and he even had a cigarette in his hand during wedding pics, so the wife said to him look you did smoke, but when the guy looks at the pic he doesnt see the cigarette. its all about programming the mind, even the sun is illusion, collective illusion.
Thats a real "living a dream" 8) ;D
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kiwiol on March 14, 2010, 10:13:33 AM
Sure you can be conscious of the absolute truth, your statement above is self contradictory.

Are you saying flogs can't see a ploton even if it's moving ???
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: no one on March 14, 2010, 10:15:13 AM
Once you have a belief, that belief limits the power of your mind.
Less belief you have, your power of mind revive and,
the absolute liberty of our own begin to show up from the deep.

great theory  ::)

i guess thats why the world's most successful people, be it in business, sport or any endeavour can picture themselves succeeding and thus manifesting their own success using belief.

god your stupid.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: EL Mariachi on March 14, 2010, 10:20:46 AM
great theory  ::)

i guess thats why the world's most successful people, be it in business, sport or any endeavour can picture themselves succeeding and thus manifesting their own success using belief.

god your stupid.


i dont think he's contradicting this, sure you can make your own reality, wishing or visualising something hard is not enough, you have to really get in to that belief and send that message out with the whole body and spirit to create the vibrations around you. if there is a slightest disbelief about it it wont happen, thats what you see with these law of attraction followers, they imagine they drive a ferrari and never get one.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 10:23:35 AM
great theory  ::)

i guess thats why the world's most successful people, be it in business, sport or any endeavour can picture themselves succeeding and thus manifesting their own success using belief.

god your stupid.
As usual, you cant even notice i am going beyond that.
Another smart getbigers noticed that.
Be hamble. My friend. ;)
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 14, 2010, 10:23:43 AM
Are you saying flogs can't see a ploton even if it's moving ???

made me LOL ;D
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: no one on March 14, 2010, 10:24:18 AM

i dont think he's contradicting this, sure you can make your own reality, wishing or visualising something hard is not enough, you have to really get in to that belief and send that message out with the whole body and spirit to create the vibrations around you.

'belief limits the power of your mind.'

very contradictory to what i wrote, imo?
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: no one on March 14, 2010, 10:24:51 AM
As usual, you cant even notice i am going beyond that.
Another smart getbigers noticed that.
Be hamble. My friend. ;)

engrish prease.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: spinnis on March 14, 2010, 10:25:51 AM
is everyone turning into sevaste latley? wtf is going on..
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: MAXX on March 14, 2010, 10:26:58 AM
how awesome it is to see the mastermind philosophers and scientists on getbig at work!







































































 ::)
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 10:30:27 AM
how awesome it is to see the mastermind philosophers and scientists on getbig at work



 ::)
I dont try to be someone like you.
Because i am no one and some one.
I dont care who i am.
I am living in many world unlike your mind living in cyber space only.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: no one on March 14, 2010, 10:32:32 AM
I dont try to be someone like you.
Because i am no one and some one.
I dont care who i am.
I am living in many world unlike your mind living in cyber space only.

eat some carbs dude. you're losing your grip.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 10:38:15 AM
eat some carbs dude. you're losing your grip.
Yesterday and today i carb uped.

Summerly of what i wrote.

I dont care who i am so. I dont worry how people think about me.

What i wanted to say is persisting in an idea makes yourself blind and even you cant have flexible thinking.
You certainly use your knowledge. But at the same time you must know that its  prejudice created by you and you shouldnt persist in it. Its easy to understand what i wrote.

Its a message for who believe that there is a ultimate diet, training routine....etc.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: _bruce_ on March 14, 2010, 12:19:23 PM

i dont think he's contradicting this, sure you can make your own reality, wishing or visualising something hard is not enough, you have to really get in to that belief and send that message out with the whole body and spirit to create the vibrations around you. if there is a slightest disbelief about it it wont happen, thats what you see with these law of attraction followers, they imagine they drive a ferrari and never get one.

Spot on - all or nothing
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: StuartR on March 14, 2010, 12:27:06 PM
lol at some scientists think gravity is an illusion
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 14, 2010, 12:37:31 PM
Sure you can be conscious of the absolute truth, your statement above is self contradictory.
wow


nutritional breakhrough genius, philosopher, learned perfect english from chat, gets ripped on icecream
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 12:42:27 PM
lol at some scientists think gravity is an illusion
I have read it at 2006 in an science mag.
They say its hologram theory.
They have concept. But they still cant build an equation.
So still not official.

I cant remember very well.
Something like this
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-illusion-of-gravity
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: tbombz on March 14, 2010, 12:44:07 PM
As usual, you cant even notice i am going beyond that.
Another smart getbigers noticed that.
Be hamble. My friend. ;)
no, you be humble. you created a thread to say one very basic and simple idea, that the majority of humans already understand.  :)

i do like philosophical, psychological, ontological discussions.....

but Kyomu I get the sense that you think you are very close to "enlightenment"...when through your postings I see so very much you have to work on.  :)


I am young, as you like to point out when ever I address you.. However YOU are young as well. 40 years, 50 years old? That is the blink of an eye.  :)
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: EL Mariachi on March 14, 2010, 01:09:44 PM
no, you be humble. you created a thread to say one very basic and simple idea, that the majority of humans already understand.  :)

i do like philosophical, psychological, ontological discussions.....

but Kyomu I get the sense that you think you are very close to "enlightenment"...when through your postings I see so very much you have to work on.  :)


I am young, as you like to point out when ever I address you.. However YOU are young as well. 40 years, 50 years old? That is the blink of an eye.  :)

you can count the people that are enlightened at one hand
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 01:13:11 PM
no, you be humble. you created a thread to say one very basic and simple idea, that the majority of humans already understand.  :)

i do like philosophical, psychological, ontological discussions.....

but Kyomu I get the sense that you think you are very close to "enlightenment"...when through your postings I see so very much you have to work on.  :)


I am young, as you like to point out when ever I address you.. However YOU are young as well. 40 years, 50 years old? That is the blink of an eye.  :)
Hahahahhaaa What? Enlightment?
What is it? Explain it. ;D
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 14, 2010, 01:14:24 PM
wow
nutritional breakhrough genius, philosopher, learned perfect english from chat, gets ripped on icecream

thanks!
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 14, 2010, 01:15:19 PM
you can count the people that are enlightened at one hand

that is very true, certainly noone in this thread
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: jtsunami on March 14, 2010, 01:16:22 PM
Once you have a belief, that belief limits the power of your mind.
Less belief you have, your power of mind revive and,
the absolute liberty of our own begin to show up from the deep.

i think you've been thinking too much lately, just live life
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Bones on March 14, 2010, 01:17:16 PM
look at it this way,

 its all about programming the mind, even the sun is illusion, collective illusion.
  I guess the burn and peeling I get from being in the sun too long is an illusion too  ::)
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Rami on March 14, 2010, 01:19:27 PM
just as well, we will never discover/learn/figure out/ know for sure what is truth about reality anyway. So don't hold your hope out and fight religion for this no good reason. You will gain nothing from it.

By the way, Science is in the end just another religion.





Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 01:21:37 PM
that is very true, certainly noone in this thread
Enlightment is a real death(life also).
No need to.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 14, 2010, 01:22:53 PM
By the way, Science is in the end just another religion.

Pure natural science is not a religion. This is just a misunderstanding of scientific positivists on one hand and fundamentalists resp. intelligent design advocates on the other hand.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kiwiol on March 14, 2010, 01:24:58 PM
thanks!

I'd like to add food pornographist and Austrian pussy wrecker to that resume, if you don't mind.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 14, 2010, 01:28:27 PM
I'd like to add food pornographist and Austrian pussy wrecker to that resume, if you don't mind.

You're not exactly the stupidest, scrawniest, and least sexy specimen on GB yourself, stud from down under/over.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 01:29:40 PM
Pure natural science is not a religion. This is just a misunderstanding of scientific positivists on one hand and fundamentalists resp. intelligent design advocates on the other hand.
Pure natural science? What is that?
It also starts from a point of view(our prejudice) doesnt it?
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 14, 2010, 01:32:51 PM
Pure natural science? What is that?
It also starts from a point of view(our prejudice) doesnt it?

Natural science operates on scientific models of the world and produces scientific theories within those models. That's it. It doesn't explain reality and can infact say nothing about it at all. A pure natural scientist understands that he can say nothing about what's real or not. All he does is observe scientific aspects of reality and check if resp. how close they match the variables in his model.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: James Blunt on March 14, 2010, 01:34:29 PM
Reminds me of Bruce Lee's water quote.

“Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 01:39:14 PM
Natural science operates on scientific models of the world and produces scientific theories within those models. That's it. It doesn't explain reality and can infact say nothing about it at all. A pure natural scientist understands that he can say nothing about what's real or not. All he does is observe scientific aspects of reality and check if resp. how close they match the variables in his model.
Hah. Then its purely for fun hah?
But we cant stop asking why why why why like crazy(Since our possesion of karma..)...... I highly doubt if those scientists exist..
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Meso_z on March 14, 2010, 01:40:33 PM
drama queen. ::)
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 14, 2010, 01:43:52 PM
Hah. Then its purely for fun hah?
But we cant stop asking why why why why like crazy(Since our possesion of karma..)...... I highly doubt if those scientists exist..

It's not just for fun, it sure has its applications in the real world like providing us with the comfortable life we lead nowadays.
It's just a misconception that it will explain reality. This is impossible by principle.

You obviously need a less (=not) restricted body of thought to even make such an attempt.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: EL Mariachi on March 14, 2010, 01:45:41 PM
  I guess the burn and peeling I get from being in the sun too long is an illusion too  ::)

the mind makes it real, when you get hurt you feel the pain in the mind not on the skin
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 01:51:16 PM
It's not just for fun, it sure has its applications in the real world like providing us with the comfortable life we lead nowadays.
It's just a misconception that it will explain reality. This is impossible by principle.

You obviously need a less (=not) restricted body of thought to even make such an attempt.
Then you say that the real science is purely contributing to the survival of humanity no?
Ok.

Then if someone ask "Why all the way we must survive like that? What is the reason why it is like that? Ok, with this scientific effort, our life enriched?",what do you say?
Ok, at least, I want to ask it and many people ask it.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: MAXX on March 14, 2010, 01:57:21 PM
Hah. Then its purely for fun hah?
But we cant stop asking why why why why like crazy(Since our possesion of karma..)...... I highly doubt if those scientists exist..
wtf?
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 14, 2010, 01:58:58 PM
Nothing is true, everything is permitted (including G4P)

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Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 14, 2010, 01:59:05 PM
You have to be at one with the universe whatever it holds science or no science true Tao and Karma. There limited things we can control here so destiny is the majority rule, control what you can let karma take course for the rest..
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 14, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
Then you say that the real science is purely contributing to the survival of humanity no?
Ok.

Then if someone ask "Why all the way we must survive like that? What is the reason why it is like that? Ok, with this scientific effort, our life enriched?",what do you say?
Ok, at least, I want to ask it and many people ask it.

These are all valid questions but they are not questions within the realm of science. Those are philosophic questions. Of course you can argue whether scientific applications really enrich our lifes or not, in the end probably not since life itself is perfect the way it is.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: spinnis on March 14, 2010, 02:00:58 PM
By the way, Science is in the end just another religion.







So something that can be PROVEN is the same to something that CANT be proven at all?

you're one smart dude.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 14, 2010, 02:02:22 PM
So something that can be PROVEN is the same to something that CANT be proven at all?

you're one smart dude.

Science can't prove anything, by definition.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 02:03:56 PM
You have to be at one with the universe whatever it holds science or no science true Tao and Karma. There limited things we can control here so destiny is the majority rule, control what you can let karma take course for the rest..
Thats true and not true at the same time.
Because of the desteny is the result of the complex movement of many conciousness(also one).
Individual represent whole, whole represent individual.
Impossible to understand?
Of course, because this is the absolute truth.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 02:05:41 PM
These are all valid questions but they are not questions within the realm of science. Those are philosophic questions. Of course you can argue whether scientific applications really enrich our lifes or not, in the end probably not since life itself is perfect the way it is.
Ok. now I understand(reconfirm) what you say.
And thats logic. ;)
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Fatpanda on March 14, 2010, 02:11:07 PM
interesting thread, buddha would be proud.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 14, 2010, 02:20:10 PM
interesting thread, buddha would be proud.

he would have a good laugh
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: aglifter on March 14, 2010, 02:20:27 PM
kyomu is the new falcon
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Fatpanda on March 14, 2010, 02:24:24 PM
he would have a good laugh

laughing is irrelevant for body composition !  ;D
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: _bruce_ on March 14, 2010, 02:27:53 PM
Reminds me of Bruce Lee's water quote.

“Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”

Clever dude
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Spoony Luv on March 14, 2010, 02:34:03 PM
DMT for Truth...If you dare!!!
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 14, 2010, 02:40:07 PM
kyomu is the new falcon
:o :o ;D
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: tbombz on March 14, 2010, 08:32:24 PM
Thats true and not true at the same time.
Because of the desteny is the result of the complex movement of many conciousness(also one).
Individual represent whole, whole represent individual.
Impossible to understand?
Of course, because this is the absolute truth.

and whatever do you mean by this..?  :)
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: SF1900 on March 14, 2010, 09:31:47 PM
In all honesty, you're just trying to throw a bunch of words together to make yourself sound smart.  ::) The stuff you're talking about I learned in Philosophy 101  ::)

Just put a bunch of random words together so you come off as enigmatic.  ::)
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: slaveboy1980 on March 14, 2010, 09:38:41 PM
Once you have a belief, that belief limits the power of your mind.
Less belief you have, your power of mind revive and,
the absolute liberty of our own begin to show up from the deep.

 ;D
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: tbombz on March 14, 2010, 09:44:38 PM
In all honesty, you're just trying to throw a bunch of words together to make yourself sound smart.  ::) The stuff you're talking about I learned in Philosophy 101  ::)

Just put a bunch of random words together so you come off as enigmatic.  ::)
theres soem truth to what your saying, but your being awefully negative..  :) if this stuff was so basic, then you wouldnt be in a bad mood.  :)
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: SF1900 on March 14, 2010, 09:52:20 PM
theres soem truth to what your saying, but your being awefully negative..  :) if this stuff was so basic, then you wouldnt be in a bad mood.  :)

One of those days lol.

Kyomu states:

"Once you have a belief, that belief limits the power of your mind."

Jiddu Krishnamurti has been talking about this for quite some time. Any time we cling to an ideological belief or principle, we limit what we take in because we are so fixated in our ways. Thus, Krishnamurti thought it best not to cling to any specific ideologies, but to let your mind wonder, so you can take in and entertain any idea. Aristotle said, "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. "  :D

Maybe this is what Kyomu means.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: tbombz on March 14, 2010, 09:57:32 PM
One of those days lol.

Kyomu states:

"Once you have a belief, that belief limits the power of your mind."

Jiddu Krishnamurti has been talking about this for quite some time. Any time we cling to an ideological belief or principle, we limit what we take in because we are so fixated in our ways. Thus, Krishnamurti thought it best not to cling to any specific ideologies, but to let your mind wonder, so you can take in and entertain any idea. Aristotle said, "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. "  :D

Maybe this is what Kyomu means.


did you see my reply to kyomu earlier in the thread?

i pointed out that kyomu was making a point, the same one you just wrote about above, that was already common knowledge.  he was being an "intelligence attention whore".. trying to get people to give him praise for this idea, one that everybody already knows...(well, most people)..     not very humble, not very clear minded.. not very enlightened.


as for your writing....your right, i think that is exactly what kyomu was refering to...  



who were you refering to in your post about being enigmatic?? kyomu, wavelength, mr nobody, mariachi, me, or any combination?

they all have good posts here, although kyomu is a bit of a hypocrit, without good self awareness.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: dyslexic on March 14, 2010, 10:35:17 PM
Our minds cannot comprehend the terms "beginning" and 'end' when it pertains directly to life.

Our minds cannot comprehend the true meaning of eternity. Limited understanding will do this when you have a tendency to die.


Omnipotence is inhuman, yet is a word that humans freely utilize.


Once you believe that you truly know everything, your ability to learn comes to a halt.


You will continue to search until death for answers... and on your deathbed change your mind.


Philosophy Rox.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: SF1900 on March 14, 2010, 10:40:44 PM
did you see my reply to kyomu earlier in the thread?

i pointed out that kyomu was making a point, the same one you just wrote about above, that was already common knowledge.  he was being an "intelligence attention whore".. trying to get people to give him praise for this idea, one that everybody already knows...(well, most people)..     not very humble, not very clear minded.. not very enlightened.


as for your writing....your right, i think that is exactly what kyomu was refering to...  



who were you refering to in your post about being enigmatic?? kyomu, wavelength, mr nobody, mariachi, me, or any combination?

they all have good posts here, although kyomu is a bit of a hypocrit, without good self awareness.

I was only referring to Kyomus original post:

Once you have a belief, that belief limits the power of your mind.
Less belief you have, your power of mind revive and,
the absolute liberty of our own begin to show up from the deep.


Trying to sound all deep.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: JOCKTHEGLIDE on March 14, 2010, 10:42:55 PM
if you think you will be taller,,,thy granted you will be taller,,,
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: SF1900 on March 14, 2010, 10:44:27 PM
if you think you will be taller,,,thy granted you will be taller,,,

Has not worked yet ha  :D
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: SF1900 on March 14, 2010, 10:48:26 PM
Jiddu Krishnamurti writes:

'When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.'


I think this sort of captures what Kyomu was trying to pass off as his own. Clinging to any ideological principal/belief will limit your mind to other possibilities or for further exploration. When we cling to a specific belief, we can't entertain other ideas, beliefs or principles, thus separating ourselves from EVERYTHING else. When this separation grows large enough, hate and violence can develop.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: XXXII/LX on March 14, 2010, 11:46:13 PM
great theory  ::)

i guess thats why the world's most successful people, be it in business, sport or any endeavour can picture themselves succeeding and thus manifesting their own success using belief.

god your stupid.

YOU'RE not the sharpest knife in the box either.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 15, 2010, 12:35:02 AM
Jiddu Krishnamurti writes:

'When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.'


I think this sort of captures what Kyomu was trying to pass off as his own. Clinging to any ideological principal/belief will limit your mind to other possibilities or for further exploration. When we cling to a specific belief, we can't entertain other ideas, beliefs or principles, thus separating ourselves from EVERYTHING else. When this separation grows large enough, hate and violence can develop.

Not that large scale ;D but having a fixed idea always take our freedom of creative idea away from us. Thats simple.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 15, 2010, 12:42:03 AM
One of those days lol.

Kyomu states:

"Once you have a belief, that belief limits the power of your mind."

Jiddu Krishnamurti has been talking about this for quite some time. Any time we cling to an ideological belief or principle, we limit what we take in because we are so fixated in our ways. Thus, Krishnamurti thought it best not to cling to any specific ideologies, but to let your mind wonder, so you can take in and entertain any idea. Aristotle said, "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. "  :D

Maybe this is what Kyomu means.

Oh, you dont need to put the indian philosopher all the way.
What i put is the basic thought of Budism and Taoism. Nothing special.
The theme of Budism and Taoism is simple.
Its the absolute truth and freedom.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 15, 2010, 12:44:00 AM
I was only referring to Kyomus original post:

Once you have a belief, that belief limits the power of your mind.
Less belief you have, your power of mind revive and,
the absolute liberty of our own begin to show up from the deep.


Trying to sound all deep.  ::) ::)

Hahahaha thats true. ;D
In spite of the thing is nothing special. ;)
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 15, 2010, 04:57:04 AM
One of those days lol.

Kyomu states:

"Once you have a belief, that belief limits the power of your mind."

Jiddu Krishnamurti has been talking about this for quite some time. Any time we cling to an ideological belief or principle, we limit what we take in because we are so fixated in our ways. Thus, Krishnamurti thought it best not to cling to any specific ideologies, but to let your mind wonder, so you can take in and entertain any idea. Aristotle said, "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. "  :D

Maybe this is what Kyomu means.

Krishnamurti I have a few of his books. Good post.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 15, 2010, 05:02:17 AM
I dont try to be someone like you.
Because i am no one and some one.
I dont care who i am.
I am living in many world unlike your mind living in cyber space only.

If you don't care who you are, then why do you workout, lift, etc...? 
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 15, 2010, 05:24:31 AM
If you don't care who you are, then why do you workout, lift, etc...? 
I dont have any clue. Just I love workout itself a lot.
Constructing a muscle physique is fun.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: SF1900 on March 15, 2010, 07:19:38 AM
Krishnamurti I have a few of his books. Good post.

Agreed.

I think I want to pick up this book soon:

http://www.amazon.com/As-One-Free-Mind-Conditioning/dp/1890772623/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268662731&sr=1-1
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: saopl on March 15, 2010, 08:20:23 AM
this thread is full of pipe dreams.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: tbombz on March 15, 2010, 09:24:11 AM
Not that large scale ;D but having a fixed idea always take our freedom of creative idea away from us. Thats simple.
you didnt mean it to have such implications on "pride" and "identity'...   but that is what it infers. 
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: figgs on March 15, 2010, 10:10:42 AM
Many of you have very good ideas to share, while some of you are very critical and that's good we need those perspectives. Waking up involves realizing that pretty much everything you learned in your life, everything you think you know, is a big lie, part of an even bigger lie.

To capture the emotions involved with the Awakening experience watch this:

Ask yourself why David Bowie is crying his eyes out

-Thoughts create reality. Born from a clear, untangled mind, a thought strengthened by it's clarity of intent may have a more powerful ripple effect on the unified consciousness field that we interact with either unconsciously and mechanically or consciously and intuitively.
-Beliefs are agreements you make with reality. Some personal, some collective. We technically do not need self-defeating beliefs about our selves or the limitations about our environment such as separation, insufficiency, malevolence, etc., we impose these illusions on our own reality tunnels. For a multidimensional human being playing in the game of existence, it's our response-ability to target our self-defeating belief systems and transmute them to become self-empowering. Love is the answer. Love truly is the keys to access the higher dimensions and higher inner circuits of intelligence that bring you to a level I call "super-genius" because you may receive knowledge, teachings, inspirations from beyond the physical.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: tbombz on March 15, 2010, 11:08:35 AM
Figgs you are indeed a Genius.  :)  Maybe not in academia.. but certainly philosophically, psychologically, and spiritually. or at least, a genius compared to where the majority of humans are currently at  ;)
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: figgs on March 15, 2010, 12:08:15 PM
I appreciate that very much, brother! I actually did drop out of college to do the evolution thing full time. I'm very busy expanding consciousness and creating realities these days. There exists within our species groups of people who I call 'self-actualized light workers.' I have been converging with more of these souls in recent times, and feel that it's part of a process. We hold the light frequency to break up the darkness. This is the end of humanity's dark ages!!!
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 15, 2010, 12:23:35 PM
damn if figgs is for real I'd like to be more like him
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Fatpanda on March 15, 2010, 12:23:53 PM
i believe buddhism holds the keys to enlightenment  8)

it is still craving that leads to suffering, and meditation has always been needed to reach any sort of enlightenment.

these are noble truths !
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: figgs on March 15, 2010, 12:27:15 PM
damn if figgs is for real I'd like to be more like him

What do you mean? The joy is in self-discover through self-observation!

i believe buddhism holds the keys to enlightenment  8)

it is still craving that leads to suffering, and meditation has always been needed to reach any sort of enlightenment.

these are noble truths !

Noble, indeed! Though all paths whether be buddhism or whatever lead to the same thing, re-membering our inherent divine oneness. Meditation, psychedelics, all provided by nature as tools to expand our consciousness.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Fatpanda on March 15, 2010, 12:33:34 PM
What do you mean? The joy is in self-discover through self-observation!

Noble, indeed! Though all paths whether be buddhism or whatever lead to the same thing, re-membering our inherent divine oneness. Meditation, psychedelics, all provided by nature as tools to expand our consciousness.

yes - although all these paths - buddhism/yoga/islam/christuanity etc etc all lead to the same place when walked correctly - i.e. with love for each other in ones heart  :)
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: tbombz on March 15, 2010, 12:39:36 PM
love is divine.  :)



Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Fatpanda on March 15, 2010, 12:40:35 PM
i love all my getbig brothers and sisters  :)
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: tbombz on March 15, 2010, 12:41:16 PM
i love all my getbig brothers and sisters  :)
everything in existence is your brother, father, and son.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: figgs on March 15, 2010, 12:41:59 PM
yes - although all these paths - buddhism/yoga/islam/christuanity etc etc all lead to the same place when walked correctly - i.e. with love for each other in ones heart  :)

You got it, man! By living through the heart we align ourselves with source consciousness and higher consciousness within ourselves. The keys to these realms are the heart. You can not advance in terms of spiritual evolution without being initiated through one's own sacred heart space. You can not advance with Service-to-self consciousness. Service-to-others will bring you a long way. Fill your heart, be whole unto yourself, and a full chalice is bound to overflow.

One Love!!
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Fatpanda on March 15, 2010, 12:44:26 PM
everything in existence is your brother, father, and son.

yes a mistake with words only.

i love everyone  :-*
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: tbombz on March 15, 2010, 12:45:52 PM
yes a mistake with words only.

i love everyone  :-*
:) as i figured, yet youve made a mistake in linguistics again.... as its not everyONE, but every thing, every bit of matter, every unit of energy... every blackhole and every wormhole, every asteroid, bacteria, tree and president. its all one.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: SizZ on March 15, 2010, 12:48:39 PM
love is the only truth the rest is illusion. At the top end of string theory the 11th dimension, it is limited only by our minds. So I can kind of grasp what Kyomu is talking about. For those that dabble or go head on into self discovery and self development, these truths are self evident. Law of attraction, creating realities, like some one said its got to be all or nothing. More appropriate its made up, more of "feelings" rather than thoughts or visualizations. You must "feel" the feelings of already being the desired outcome. Im still just a permabulker, but my life is getting better and better as I learn myself and apply these techniques. All of the puzzle pieces are falling exactly into place and im living the dream, so to speak. Life is great for me, because of love, detachment, and creating/atttracting what I need/want out life.  Everybody does this, but only a few realize its a tool to use for your embetterment, and enjoyment. you get what you expect.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Fatpanda on March 15, 2010, 12:49:26 PM
:) as i figured, yet youve made a mistake in linguistics again.... as its not everyONE, but every thing, every bit of matter, every unit of energy... every blackhole and every wormhole, every asteroid, bacteria, tree and president. its all one.

you are correct again. i meant to say i love everything except you  >:( girl !
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: figgs on March 15, 2010, 12:49:35 PM
:) as i figured, yet youve made a mistake in linguistics again.... as its not everyONE, but every thing, every bit of matter, every unit of energy... every blackhole and every wormhole, every asteroid, bacteria, tree and president. its all one.

haha yep. Linguistics often trap us into limited concepts, but the imagination takes us beyond! You are everything at once! I Am That, I Am!
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Fatpanda on March 15, 2010, 12:50:14 PM
you are correct again. i meant to say i love everything except you  >:( #### !

joke candy  :D   :-*
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: SizZ on March 15, 2010, 12:50:34 PM
figgs--all around smart guy. ;D
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: figgs on March 15, 2010, 12:57:13 PM
love is the only truth the rest is illusion. At the top end of string theory the 11th dimension, it is limited only by our minds. So I can kind of grasp what Kyomu is talking about. For those that dabble or go head on into self discovery and self development, these truths are self evident. Law of attraction, creating realities, like some one said its got to be all or nothing. More appropriate its made up, more of "feelings" rather than thoughts or visualizations. You must "feel" the feelings of already being the desired outcome. Im still just a permabulker, but my life is getting better and better as I learn myself and apply these techniques. All of the puzzle pieces are falling exactly into place and im living the dream, so to speak. Life is great for me, because of love, detachment, and creating/atttracting what I need/want out life.  Everybody does this, but only a few realize its a tool to use for your embetterment, and enjoyment. you get what you expect.

Wise word spoke, fellow Self of the Isness. Living with love as your highest truth, and detaching yourself from the stupidity of collective humanity is definitely the way to go in these times. Creating realities and manifesting your True Will is part of the beauty of how you chose to create yourself. There are infinite ways to empower yourself and these methods should never be limiting. Great to see this happening inside of many of us, and I do think it is quickening.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Spoony Luv on March 15, 2010, 01:07:13 PM
I had a lucid dream that told me that you can't have an offspring in one dimension and move on the the next...As long as you have kids and your kids have kids, you are stuck in that dimension...
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: SizZ on March 15, 2010, 01:18:22 PM
Wise word spoke, fellow Self of the Isness. Living with love as your highest truth, and detaching yourself from the stupidity of collective humanity is definitely the way to go in these times. Creating realities and manifesting your True Will is part of the beauty of how you chose to create yourself. There are infinite ways to empower yourself and these methods should never be limiting. Great to see this happening inside of many of us, and I do think it is quickening.

I see it more and more everyday in places id assume it wouldn't be. The quickening is upon us, we live in a beautiful time (there we go with that pesky 4d illusion again). I feel blessed to be here and to help facillitate the awakening. The Giant (our human collective) has slept for long enough and it is time to wake and break the shackles of oppression. I often feel bad for people stuck in their mind patterns of family quarrels, jealousy, keeping up with the Jonses etc.  I try to help but it seems like unless you walk your own path the knowledge gained is meaningless--you can lead a horse to water but you cant make them drink.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 15, 2010, 02:04:39 PM
What do you mean? The joy is in self-discover through self-observation!

whatever or whoever we look at, we are always observing ourselves
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: tbombz on March 15, 2010, 03:33:25 PM
haha yep. Linguistics often trap us into limited concepts, but the imagination takes us beyond! You are everything at once! I Am That, I Am!
describe infinite with finite language? impossible...  :)   

lots of great, deep posts in this thread that i just dont have time for reading thoroughly at the moment, but rest assured i will be back to read all of these latest pearls of wisdom..   
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 15, 2010, 03:35:04 PM
 I am flipped at how this thread grew. :o
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 15, 2010, 03:45:13 PM
I am flipped at how this thread grew. :o

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 15, 2010, 03:45:42 PM
I am flipped at how this thread grew. :o

All karma ...
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: figgs on March 15, 2010, 04:07:15 PM
Oh yes! I see what you mean! Then that is good, and it is my honor to be a reflection of such as I live my light and speak my truth. To lead by example is my chosen way. I learned that people are not going to wake up until they prepare themselves for it, and therefore, I don't waste my energy being anyone's scaffolding. "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."

Wavelength, your post reminds me of a quote I memorized and frequently revisit in my mind:
"When you look into the eyes of another person, any person, and you see your own soul looking back at you, then you will know that you have reached a higher state of consciousness."

SizZ, you are definitely on the right path, and must live an interesting life, certainly for you live in the most interesting times! It's a blessing as well that there are those of us on the bodybuilding scene who despite having achieved mastery of health and beauty over our physiques, we are not overly enamored of the material aspect of life.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 15, 2010, 04:11:34 PM
All karma ...
Actualy, i can explain this with the theory of Karma..
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 15, 2010, 04:12:48 PM
Wavelength, your post reminds me of a quote I memorized and frequently revisit in my mind: "When you look into the eyes of another person, any person, and you see your own soul looking back at you, then you will know that you have reached a higher state of consciousness."

the definition of love
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 15, 2010, 04:17:48 PM
the definition of love
Oh, dont exaggerate it.
Love is not that special thing.
Its the existance itself.
To exist something, more than two thing must gather(particles). That relation and union is love.
We cant understand 1 dimension. But from 2 dimensions yes.

But again, its a point of view of our conciousness. I am not talking about the absolute truth as usual.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 15, 2010, 04:20:38 PM
Oh, dont exaggerate it.
Love is not that special thing.
Its the existance itself.
To exist something, more than two thing must gather(particles). That relation and union is love.
We cant understand 1 dimension. But from 2 dimensions yes.

But again, its a point of view of our conciousness. I am not talking about the absolute truth as usual.

I love it!
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Fatpanda on March 16, 2010, 04:19:47 PM
bodybuilding is the love  :)
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: MAXX on March 16, 2010, 04:21:37 PM
 :-X :-\
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: EL Mariachi on March 16, 2010, 04:58:40 PM
      Whenever man comes to a point in his evolution where he has sufficient mastery in the mind to produce "things", he suffers for the lack of peace. In his activities on the mental spheres in conceiving, planning, gathering the forces together, and finally viewing the outcome as a physical manifestation, he has exercised an intricate control over the nerve fibers of his awareness. Thus caught in this pattern, he must keep on producing to ensure his mental security, for, should he stop for a moment, the whiplash upon his senses as the generative functions of the third dimension cease to be active would cause paranoic depressions, sometimes almost beyond repair. The man looking into the where and when of the future, blending his energies with those who are also striving to evolve into a more ramified state of awareness can easily suffer if he keeps going, producing, aquiring, and believing that materiality is reality. Evolution of the species takes its toll, for as man's awareness expands, he is no longer content projecting into the where and when of the material consciousness.
      As he seeks some reward of peace for his efforts, he begins to look into the past for solutions, the there and then of it all. He finds himself born into a cross section of awareness between past and future, having experienced both of these tendencies of the mind, and this causes him to reflect. Philosophy holds few answers for him. Its congested mass of "shoulds" and "don'ts", though profound if followed, he knows have proved more to the philosopher who clarified his own thinking about them on paper than to the reader who has yet to complement with inner knowing its indicated depths. Occultism is intriguing to him, for it shows that there are possibilities of expression beyond the senses he has become well accustomed to using. But again evolution, rounding his vision, causes him to discard the occult symbolism, laws, and practices as another look into the past or future of the mind's depths.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: EL Mariachi on March 16, 2010, 05:02:13 PM
     Occasionally young aspirants burst into experience indicating a balance of intense light at a still higher rate of vibration of here and now awareness than their almost daily experience of a moon-glow inner light. It is the dynamic vision of clairvoyantly seeing the head, and at times the body, filled with a brilliant clear light. When this intensity can be attained at will, more than often man will identify himself as the actinic force flowing through the odic externalities of the outer mind and understand it as a force of life more real and infinitely more permanent than the external mind itself. Occasionally, through his newly unfolded extrasensory perception, he may clairaudibly hear, within, the seven sounds he previously studied in occult lore. The sounds of the atomic structure of his nerve system and cells register as voices singing or as music of the vina, of the sita, or of the tambura. Instruments to duplicate these sounds for the outer ears were carefully tooled by the Himalayan rishis of Asvaita Yoga thousands of years ago, including the boom and jill of the tabla, and the flute.

      As psychic centers in his cranium burst open, he will hear the shrill note, likened to a nightingale singing, and then an inner voice, indicating direction and elucidation to his external consciousness like a breath of air. This inner voice remains with him as a permanent yoga of the external consciousness, an ever-ready guide to the unraveling of complexities in daily life. Should he come out too far into materialistic consciousness, the inner voice may be falsely identified as an unseen master or a god talking into his right ear, but, when in the clarity of clairvoyantly seeing white light and at the same time clairaudibly hearing the inner sounds, he knows that it is his superconsciousness, his inner self. Occasionally, in a cross section of the sixth dimension of the inner mind, when light merges into transcendental form, the young aspirant may view the golden actinic face of a master peering into his, kindly and all-knowing. He is looking at his own great potential.

      When eftya, the clear white light, becomes more of a friend to his external mind than merely an occasional vision or experience and can be basked in during the four contemplative tyaasem periods of the day, then the nourishment to the entire nervoius system, as ambrosia, bursts forth from the crown chakra, kammakadeesareh kashumlinga. This is sometimes identified as "the peace that passeth understanding", but he who reaches this state can never explain it adequately. The highly trained Advaita Yoga adept, through techniques imparted to him from his guru, intensifies the clear white light to the brink of God-Realization, Emkael. His entire body is faded into a sea of blue-white light, where present, past, and future are recorded in the linear depths, or layers. He sometimes sees himself seated or standing on a lotus flower of shimmering light, in an actinodic clear transparent neon plastic-like body outline as his consciousness touches in the rhythm of a heart's beat into the Self, Emkaef
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: EL Mariachi on March 16, 2010, 05:03:36 PM
Are there other getbiggers that expirienced the white light? if so, share
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Stavios on March 16, 2010, 05:08:16 PM
Yesterday and today i carb uped.

Summerly of what i wrote.

I dont care who i am so. I dont worry how people think about me.

What i wanted to say is persisting in an idea makes yourself blind and even you cant have flexible thinking.
You certainly use your knowledge. But at the same time you must know that its  prejudice created by you and you shouldnt persist in it. Its easy to understand what i wrote.

Its a message for who believe that there is a ultimate diet, training routine....etc.

bullshit
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: EL Mariachi on March 16, 2010, 05:18:12 PM
kyomy you really dont get affected emotionally in any way about what people say and do about you? if thats so you re on a good path, its not so easily done, very hard to get there.

i call bullshit kyomy, you get offended easily when someone is placing a negative remark about your phisique.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: tbombz on March 16, 2010, 08:02:39 PM
Oh yes! I see what you mean! Then that is good, and it is my honor to be a reflection of such as I live my light and speak my truth. To lead by example is my chosen way. I
"Act only on that maxim through which you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law."  -Emmanuel Kant
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 17, 2010, 12:39:50 AM
"Act only on that maxim through which you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law."  -Emmanuel Kant

Ever read one of his books?
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: tbombz on March 17, 2010, 12:41:39 AM
Ever read one of his books?
yes ive skimmed through a few of them. right now in class we are dicsussing Hume, in two weeks we are moving to Kant.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: tbombz on March 17, 2010, 12:43:01 AM
The simple Buddhist formula is “That is, so this arises. That is not, so this falls away.” Such a simple thing as a flower, for instance is the sum total of all the causes and conditions which comprise it: sun, air, soil, water, nutrients, pollination by insects, the seed that came from a flower, that came from a seed that came from the unbroken line of life back to the first simple cells. Take away one of these and there is no flower. (There is a story that once the Buddha came to give a lecture to an assembly of monks and held up a flower in silence. Of all the monks, only Mahakashyapa smiled his understanding. Perhaps he was, at least in part, acknowledging this chain of being.)
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Fatpanda on March 17, 2010, 11:00:26 AM
The simple Buddhist formula is “That is, so this arises. That is not, so this falls away.” Such a simple thing as a flower, for instance is the sum total of all the causes and conditions which comprise it: sun, air, soil, water, nutrients, pollination by insects, the seed that came from a flower, that came from a seed that came from the unbroken line of life back to the first simple cells. Take away one of these and there is no flower. (There is a story that once the Buddha came to give a lecture to an assembly of monks and held up a flower in silence. Of all the monks, only Mahakashyapa smiled his understanding. Perhaps he was, at least in part, acknowledging this chain of being.)

maybe he just liked the flower ?  ;D
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 17, 2010, 11:30:15 AM
kyomy you really dont get affected emotionally in any way about what people say and do about you? if thats so you re on a good path, its not so easily done, very hard to get there.

i call bullshit kyomy, you get offended easily when someone is placing a negative remark about your phisique.
Yes offended of course.
But its feeling of instant moment.
I dont prohibit my feeling at all. Since I dont try to be anyone.
Just i dont persist in the feeling.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: SF1900 on March 17, 2010, 11:31:57 AM
yes ive skimmed through a few of them. right now in class we are dicsussing Hume, in two weeks we are moving to Kant.

Try reading The Critique of Pure Reason by Kant. It will make your brain hurt.  :-[
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 17, 2010, 12:47:43 PM
Try reading The Critique of Pure Reason by Kant. It will make your brain hurt.  :-[

Yes, I read that one too. Great way to feel completely inferior. ;D
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: SF1900 on March 17, 2010, 12:49:14 PM
Yes, I read that one too. Great way to feel completely inferior. ;D

That is probably the toughest philosophy book to read, minus anything by Martin Heidegger.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 17, 2010, 12:57:07 PM
That is probably the toughest philosophy book to read, minus anything by Martin Heidegger.

Heidegger is just crazy, it's like he invented a new language. Can't imagine how he is translated at all into English.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 17, 2010, 01:06:17 PM
Yes, I read that one too. Great way to feel completely inferior. ;D

I have a suspicion this quality is a warning it may be mostly bullshit. No one probably knows what it's about.  :D Someone with serious phil studies behind him told me, "no one understands it".  :D
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 17, 2010, 02:11:25 PM
I have a suspicion this quality is a warning it may be mostly bullshit. No one probably knows what it's about.  :D Someone with serious phil studies behind him told me, "no one understands it".  :D

That's not true at all. The first chapters are not too hard to read if you have some practice in reading philosophy. You will probably not understand everything though, at least I sure didn't.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 17, 2010, 02:19:31 PM
That's not true at all. The first chapters are not too hard to read if you have some practice in reading philosophy. You will probably not understand everything though, at least I sure didn't.
Philosophy is tough to read you have to slow down and assimilate each sentence, but rewarding if you can be patient enough.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: kyomu on March 17, 2010, 02:33:52 PM
this thread is turning into very nice.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 17, 2010, 02:42:31 PM
Philosophy is tough to read you have to slow down and assimilate each sentence, but rewarding if you can be patient enough.

Yeah and the interesting part is that the more you read, the more you understand, even without a teacher.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: figgs on March 17, 2010, 03:17:57 PM
I'm more of a Robert Anton Wilson, Alan Watts, Manly Palmer Hall kinda guy. Seems my most passionate study is transpersonal psychology. I love to do the exercises, experimenting with what being a human is capable of.
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on March 17, 2010, 03:19:50 PM
this thread is turning into very nice.

yes we like it long time  ;D
Title: Re: The theory and belief
Post by: wavelength on March 17, 2010, 03:19:57 PM
I'm more of a Robert Anton Wilson, Alan Watts, Manly Palmer Hall kinda guy. Seems my most passionate study is transpersonal psychology. I love to do the exercises, experimenting with what being a human is capable of.

Alan Watts is great, lately I also prefer the teachings of people who say more with less and simpler words.