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This is week two of my diet. Last week I did a low/no carb thing and of course had zero energy. By Sunday night I just wanted to quit. As a cheat meal I had 3 grab bags of 3rd degree hot Doritos (Hot as fuck and great tasting).
I decided I didn't want to diet on no carbs. So Monday I reintroduced carbs and am doing better. I started out at 258 lbs on Mar 8. As of This morning Mar 17th I was 253lbs a 5lb loss in 10 days with carbs still in me. Not too bad. I had my bodyfat tested yesterday morning I was 254lbs at 26.5% bf. I told my coach my goal was 10% bf. That would put me at 207 lbs and I'd be in incredible shape.
Based on that my Basal Metabolic Rate or BMR is 2201.6 calories. This is the amount of calories I'd burn if I never got out of bed. My Total Daily Energy Expenditure or TDEE is 3412 calories. Meaning the amount of calories i burn based on my lifestyle. So he is having me to eat 2900 calories to lose weight. I'm going a little lower to 2730 to eat less food. I'm not a big eater. I'm eating 326 g of protein 253 g of carbs and 64 g of fats. I drink two protein shakes a day as meal replacements and have a maltodextrin carb shake post workout with 50 g of carbs. I don't eat any carbs within 3 hours of sleep even if it means deviating from the diet.
I do cardio 2 x per day. 45 min in the morning prior to eating and 30 min after workout. I also do ECA 3 x per day 25 mg ephedrine, 200 mg caffine and 80 mg asprine. I'm on 50 mcg of t-3 and will ramp that up to 150 mcg of t-3 over the course of 8 weeks. I've never had any problem with losing muscle from t-3. I will swtich from ECA to clen around the 6 week point to change things up. No juice, no GH.
I just want to eat some fucking chips and sleep....FUUCCCCCCCCCCCC CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC CCCCKKKKK THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCK.. .
It's either this or continue to be fat. :'(
Time for meal three :-X :'(
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You wanna know how to get ripped and still eat whatever you want?
And ditch cardio too?
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You wanna know how to get ripped and still eat whatever you want?
Don't wanna hear your crazy bullshit...
Yeah I know I can eat pie and icecream and burgers, problem is my blood pressure and lips profile would be fucked up and yeah I may lose weight but I'll be skinnyfat. Because what you tell people will spike their insulin levels and cause the body to store that excess glucose as fat. You say as long as you get in what the body needs you can eat anything else...Problem with that is there won't be room for much else.
Your theory is filled with holes.
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Wiggs, you're nuts to use t-3 without running at least some test. Even a dose of 25mcg per day can be catabolic unless you're running some AAS.
I've never been a fan of the "no carb" diet, but since that's what you're trying out, I'd look into Palumbo's Keto. After a few days, you don't feel like shit because your body learns to use the fats you take in as its source of energy. Still, I feel as though this diet can also be catabolic and don't recommend it without AAS. I haven't seen any pics of you (no homo) so I'm kind of generalizing here.
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Don't wanna hear your crazy bullshit...
1.) Yeah I know I can eat pie and icecream and burgers, problem is my blood pressure and lips profile would be fucked up
2.) and yeah I may lose weight but I'll be skinnyfat.
3.) Because what you tell people will spike their insulin levels and cause the body to store that excess glucose as fat.
4.) You say as long as you get in what the body needs you can eat anything else...Problem with that is there won't be room for much else.
5.) Your theory is filled with holes.
1.) You don't need to eat only that.
2.) No, your body composition would be optimal, probably even better than on your current diet.
3.) Not true. There is absolutely no scientific evidence that would support that notion. It's BS bro-science.
4.) That's because you eat way too much protein.
5.) No, it's 100% solid.
Just trying to help.
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Wiggs, you're nuts to use t-3 without running at least some test. Even a dose of 25mcg per day can be catabolic unless you're running some AAS.
I've never been a fan of the "no carb" diet, but since that's what you're trying out, I'd look into Palumbo's Keto. After a few days, you don't feel like shit because your body learns to use the fats you take in as its source of energy. Still, I feel as though this diet can also be catabolic and don't recommend it without AAS. I haven't seen any pics of you (no homo) so I'm kind of generalizing here.
I've never had a problem with losing muscle in the past. Guess I'm lucky. I'm no longer doing the low carb, that was last week now can have up to 253 g carbs per day. I won't be eating that many, I'm not a big fan of complex carbs only good tasting simple ones :P As I continue to have my bf tested if I notice I'm losing muscle, I'll chill or cut back but I'm not juicing.
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It all looks good.If you increase your cardio you could add a few more cals but with low energy you probably won't want to do this or you could try a punch in the nutts and Hardin the Fuck Up.
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I say ditch the low carb bullshit I think the diet is total crap. The weight you lost is mostly water. You're at 26%? Dude, there is no reason you can't get to 10% eating more sensible. Just keep calorie deprivation and be patient.
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1.) You don't need to eat only that.
2.) No, your body composition would be optimal, probably even better than on your current diet.
3.) Not true. There is absolutely no scientific evidence that would support that notion. It's BS bro-science.
4.) That's because you eat way too much protein.
5.) No, it's 100% solid.
Just trying to help.
Do you give seminars anywhere around Vienna?
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that's alotta stuff n you still that heavy. i relocated and went from 238 - 215 in about 4 mths eating whatever i wanted but pretty clean 5 days a week. is you metabolism like a sloth?
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High volume cal sparse foods. You could stuff yourself like a pinata and not reach 2500 cals and have stable bloodsugar all day. Veggies, lentils, lean proteins. Drawback is the inconvenience of frequent meals and comparatively boring food.
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It's not bro-science. Read ANY SCIENCE BOOK. When the body breaks down carbs into glucose and your glycogen levels are full excess is stored as fat.
So tell me Mr. Science what happens to the body when a person sits and eats 300g of carbs in one sitting. Break that down for me and tell me what happens...This I want to hear.
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Do you give seminars anywhere around Vienna?
That would be the shortest fat loss seminar ever:
Eat less!
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that's alotta stuff n you still that heavy. i relocated and went from 238 - 215 in about 4 mths eating whatever i wanted but pretty clean 5 days a week. is you metabolism like a sloth?
I just started last Monday.
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It's not bro-science. Read ANY SCIENCE BOOK. When the body breaks down carbs into glucose and your glycogen levels are full excess is stored as fat.
So tell Mr. Science what happens to the body when a person sits and eats 300g of carbs in one sitting. Break that down for me and tell me what happens...This I want to hear.
If he is in an overall deficit, eats enough protein and performs intense strength training, he will lose fat that day.
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That would be the shortest fat loss seminar ever:
Eat less!
That's what they also say at the Weight Watchers seminars, still they all look like huge piles of horse shit.
hmm....
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I say ditch the low carb bullshit I think the diet is total crap. The weight you lost is mostly water. You're at 26%? Dude, there is no reason you can't get to 10% eating more sensible. Just keep calorie deprivation and be patient.
Wiggs, you're at 26% b.f? :-\ If so, I'd strongly recommend you start on the Keto diet without the t3. Use the ECA stack or some clen if you must...
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That's what they also say at the Weight Watchers seminars, still they all look like huge piles of horse shit.
hmm....
If they would actually eat less, they would lose weight.
To mainly lose fat, just add the other two rules: enough protein and strength training.
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Wiggs, have you ever been in shape during the course of your life? I sincerely doubt you've ever been close to ripped. This getting ripped shit is way too hard for you.
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It's either this or continue to be fat. :'(
Time for meal three :-X :'(
Why don't you ask Kai for some diet advice? I take the liberty to assume you still talk to him?
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If he is in an overall deficit, eats enough protein and performs intense strength training, he will lose fat that day.
Bullshit...Eating less and losing excess body fat do not automatically go hand in hand. Low calorie, high carb diets generate a series of biochemical signals in your body that will take you out of the balance, making it more difficult to access stored body fat for energy. Result: you'll reach a weight-loss plateau, beyond which you simply can't lose any more weight.
Once the glycogen levels are filled in both the liver and the muscles, excess carbohydrates have just one fate: to be converted into fat and stored in the adipose, that is, fatty, tissue. In a nutshell, even though carbohydrates themselves are fat-free, excess carbohydrates ends up as excess fat. That's not the worst of it. Any meal or snack high in carbohydrates will generate a rapid rise in blood glucose.
The problem is that insulin is essentially a storage hormone, evolved to put aside excess carbohydrate calories in the form of fat in case of future famine. So the insulin that's stimulated by excess carbohydrates aggressively promotes the accumulation of body fat. In other words, when we eat too much carbohydrate, we're essentially sending a hormonal message, via insulin, to the body (actually, to the adipose cells). The message: "Store fat."
Not only do increased insulin levels tell the body to store carbohydrates as fat, they also tell it not to release any stored fat. This makes it impossible for you to use your own stored body fat for energy. So the excess carbohydrates in your diet not only make you fat, they make sure you stay fat. It's a double whammy, and it can be lethal.
Insulin is released by the pancreas after you eat carbohydrates. This causes a rise in blood sugar. Insulin assures your cells receive some blood sugar necessary for life, and increases glycogen storage. However, it also drives your body to use more carbohydrate, and less fat, as fuel. And, insulin converts almost half of your dietary carbohydrate to fat for storage. If you want to use more fats for energy, the insulin response must be moderated. Diets high in refined sugars release more insulin thereby allowing less stored fat to be burned. High insulin levels also suppress two important hormones: glucagon and growth hormone. Glucagon promotes the burning of fat and sugar. Growth hormone is used for muscle development and building new muscle mass.
Insulin also causes hunger. As blood sugar increases following a carbohydrate meal, insulin rises with the eventual result of lower blood sugar. This results in hunger, often only a couple of hours (or less) after the meal. Cravings, usually for sweets, are frequently part of this cycle, leading you to resort to snacking, often on more carbohydrates. Not eating makes you feel ravenous shaky, moody and ready to "crash." If the problem is chronic, you never get rid of that extra stored fat, and your energy is adversely affected.
This aint bro-science...This is fact. Look it up. Where is your proof in what you're saying?
BTW the above are not my words...taken from Dr. Joseph Mercola, 1443 W.Schaumburg, Schaumburg, IL 60194-4065
Telephone 847-985-1777
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do less cardio, i think it just increases appetite
why so much protein? i don't think muscle comes off as easily as flex magazine wants us to think
maybe it's all in your head, you're so used to eating whatever you want restricting yourself a bit is making you feel "starved"
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do less cardio, i think it just increases appetite
why so much protein? i don't think muscle comes off as easily as flex magazine wants us to think
maybe it's all in your head, you're so used to eating whatever you want restricting yourself a bit is making you feel "starved"
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You are correct. I think it is entirely too much protein. I think 1lb per lb of lean bodyweight is enough for nattys so for me that would be 186 g so I'll go with 200 g per day. 326 is alot....Yes I agree.
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Wiggs, have you ever been in shape during the course of your life? I sincerely doubt you've ever been close to ripped. This getting ripped shit is way too hard for you.
The last time I was "ripped" was May of 2000 when I did my show. I had no clue what I was doing I looked like shit to be on stage and was around 8% bf.
That's usually because I get to around 225-235 and end up quiting out of laziness. Not this time.
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So he is having me to eat 2900 calories to lose weight. I'm going a little lower to 2730 to eat less food. I'm not a big eater. I'm eating 326 g of protein 253 g of carbs and 64 g of fats. I drink two protein shakes a day as meal replacements and have a maltodextrin carb shake post workout with 50 g of carbs.
Isnt 2730 to 2900 calories per day kinda high if you're trying to drop 40 lbs? You can probably drop it to 2000-2200 and cut out the ECA + T3 and lose more weight than you would with the extra 700 calories per day + T3 and ECA.
Or you can keep the ECA and T3 and just drop your daily calories by 700 and that's an extra lb lost every five days (5 x 700 = 3500 calories = 1 lb), and you'll get to your 40 lb goal faster.
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Bullshit...Eating less and losing excess body fat do not automatically go hand in hand. Low calorie, high carb diets generate a series of biochemical signals in your body that will take you out of the balance, making it more difficult to access stored body fat for energy. Result: you'll reach a weight-loss plateau, beyond which you simply can't lose any more weight.
Once the glycogen levels are filled in both the liver and the muscles, excess carbohydrates have just one fate: to be converted into fat and stored in the adipose, that is, fatty, tissue. In a nutshell, even though carbohydrates themselves are fat-free, excess carbohydrates ends up as excess fat. That's not the worst of it. Any meal or snack high in carbohydrates will generate a rapid rise in blood glucose.
The problem is that insulin is essentially a storage hormone, evolved to put aside excess carbohydrate calories in the form of fat in case of future famine. So the insulin that's stimulated by excess carbohydrates aggressively promotes the accumulation of body fat. In other words, when we eat too much carbohydrate, we're essentially sending a hormonal message, via insulin, to the body (actually, to the adipose cells). The message: "Store fat."
Not only do increased insulin levels tell the body to store carbohydrates as fat, they also tell it not to release any stored fat. This makes it impossible for you to use your own stored body fat for energy. So the excess carbohydrates in your diet not only make you fat, they make sure you stay fat. It's a double whammy, and it can be lethal.
Insulin is released by the pancreas after you eat carbohydrates. This causes a rise in blood sugar. Insulin assures your cells receive some blood sugar necessary for life, and increases glycogen storage. However, it also drives your body to use more carbohydrate, and less fat, as fuel. And, insulin converts almost half of your dietary carbohydrate to fat for storage. If you want to use more fats for energy, the insulin response must be moderated. Diets high in refined sugars release more insulin thereby allowing less stored fat to be burned. High insulin levels also suppress two important hormones: glucagon and growth hormone. Glucagon promotes the burning of fat and sugar. Growth hormone is used for muscle development and building new muscle mass.
Insulin also causes hunger. As blood sugar increases following a carbohydrate meal, insulin rises with the eventual result of lower blood sugar. This results in hunger, often only a couple of hours (or less) after the meal. Cravings, usually for sweets, are frequently part of this cycle, leading you to resort to snacking, often on more carbohydrates. Not eating makes you feel ravenous shaky, moody and ready to "crash." If the problem is chronic, you never get rid of that extra stored fat, and your energy is adversely affected.
This aint bro-science...This is fact. Look it up. Where is your proof in what you're saying?
Fat is stored and released all the time during the day. What counts in the end is overall body composition change. I don't know any studies that have shown any effect of carbs on body composition as long as protein is high enough and total calories are adjusted for a certain rate of weight change. Do you?
Many bodybuilders diet with high carbs, Chris Aceto e.g. has his clients diet on a high carbs. Many bodybuilders have tried both high and low carb diets and had great success both ways.
There is no such thing as a weight loss plateau, if you stop losing weight for a few weeks, all you have to do is slightly reduce calories until you start losing weight again.
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Get your body to release lipase...
Lipoprotein lipase (LPL) plays a critical role in the metabolism of plasma lipoproteins. In 3T3-L1 adipocytes, insulin elicits the rapid release of LPL through mechanisms that are independent of energy metabolism and protein synthesis. Some of the metabolic actions of insulin may be mediated by the activation of a specific phospholipase that hydrolyzes a glycosyl phosphatidylinositol (PI) molecule. The insulin-sensitive glycosyl-PI is structurally similar to the glycolipid membrane anchor of a number of proteins. LPL appears to be anchored to the 3T3-L1 cell surface by glycosyl-PI, and its rapid release by insulin may be due to activation of a glycosyl-PI-specific phospholipase C.
In other words:
Fats require special digestive action before absorption because the end products must be carried in a water medium (blood and lymph) in which fats are not soluble. Lipase is the primary digestant used to split fats into fatty acids and glycerol. Although little actual fat digestion occurs in the stomach, gastric lipase does digest already emulsified fats such as in egg yolk and cream.
Emulsification is the real key to the proper digestion of fats. The large fat molecule presents comparatively small surfaces for the lipase to work on, so the process of emulsification by the action of bile produced by the liver is necessary. Bile breaks down the large fat molecule to tiny droplets which provide lipase with an enormously increased surface to work on. This action takes place in the small intestine and the lipase involved here is a part of the pancreatic secretion.
It pays to keep those carbs low if that is the direction you want to go.
What I don't get are the BF% figures....
Let's say you weigh 267lbs. 10% of that is 26.7lbs. of fat.
267
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240.3 lbs LBM
Surely you would lose some muscle along with the fat and probably end up around 215 at 10% if you were lucky (and did everything consistently)
Not sure how you are running your figures. You have to account for poundages of both fat and muscle being lost at the same time. As much as we would like to maintain ALL of our muscle and lose ONLY the fat accumulation- I believe it is nearly impossible...
Unless...
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Isnt 2730 to 2900 calories per day kinda high if you're trying to drop 40 lbs? You can probably drop it to 2000-2200 and cut out the ECA + T3 and lose more weight than you would with the extra 700 calories per day + T3 and ECA.
Or you can keep the ECA and T3 and just drop your daily calories by 700 and that's an extra lb lost every five days (5 x 700 = 3500 calories = 1 lb), and you'll get to your 40 lb goal faster.
Good points Bob. I was already considering doing this because, the protein is way too high and I'm not a big eater. It's not that I'm hungry, it's that I don't want to eat this shit...I'd rather eat garbage but like I said, I'm tired of being an Alex.
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Good points Bob. I was already considering doing this because, the protein is way too high and I'm not a big eater. It's not that I'm hungry, it's that I don't want to eat this shit...I'd rather eat garbage but like I said, I'm tired of being an Alex.
you reached your breaking part which is the best motivation
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Stop whining on the boards fatass, find some willpower and diet or stfu.
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you reached your breaking part which pictures of bigbobs is the best motivation
Fixed :D
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Fixed :D
haha bober
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test tren masteron eq ephedrine gh arimidex
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The last time I was "ripped" was May of 2000 when I did my show. I had no clue what I was doing I looked like shit to be on stage and was around 8% bf.
That's usually because I get to around 225-235 and end up quiting out of laziness. Not this time.
How can you let yourself go so badly to get from 8 % to 26 % bf? I mean, seriously dude, that doesn't happen overnight.
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you wont be 207 lbs at 10%, after your diet
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Fat is stored and released all the time during the day. What counts in the end is overall body composition change. I don't know any studies that have shown any effect of carbs on body composition as long as protein is high enough and total calories are adjusted for a certain rate of weight change. Do you?
Read what I put earlier and read a science book. I have no clue where you came up with your theory because everything I'm saying is documented science. You're using bro science...Show me the proof or disprove what I said. I put the Doctors info down..You have it.
Many bodybuilders diet with high carbs, Chris Aceto e.g. has his clients diet on a high carbs. Many bodybuilders have tried both high and low carb diets and had great success both ways.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with high carbs. I said EXCESS...You seem to have it in your head that you can sit down and eat any amount of carbs and as long as it's under you what you need to lose weight it wont be stored as fat...You are wrong and BTW Chris Aceto says the same thing since you want to quote him. I have his e-book Everything You Need to Know About Fat Loss...I can e-mail it you or anyone else that wants it to prove my point and to use your own words against you.
There is no such thing as a weight loss plateau, if you stop losing weight for a few weeks, all you have to do is slightly reduce calories until you start losing weight again.
Yes there is. When you keep doing the same 30 min of cardio on 35 it will not have the same effect it did as you first started. The body adjust and you'll have to do alot more to lose the same amount. BTW you just contradicted yourself when you said if you stop losing weight for a few weeks.....That is the plateau. So you have to do either for the following to cont. to lose weight. Exercise more or change the way you exercise from low int to high or just something different, eat less or cycle carbs to trick the body into losing weight while staying in a calorie deficit....
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wiggs i lost 35lbs doing this...
breakfast: 4 fried eggs on 2 dry whole wheat toast with cheese melted into eggs.
lunch: big steak + small can red kidney beans
dinner: 2 chicken breasts + big salad.
easy to follow and worked a treat.
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How can you let yourself go so badly to get from 8 % to 26 % bf? I mean, seriously dude, that doesn't happen overnight.
10 years and being married 10 years. I didn't go from 8-26. I've been up and down. The heaviest was 272 which was around this time last year as you guys have seen. I got down to 234 last Oct and chilled for the winter and got back up to 258.
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you wont be 207 lbs at 10%, after your diet
You're probably right. I'm guessing I'll lose muscle and be lighter. Don't care about the muscle the goal is 10% bf.
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Read what I put earlier and read a science book. I have no clue where you came up with your theory because everything I'm saying is documented science. You're using bro science...Show me the proof or disprove what I said. I put the Doctors info down..You have it.
So do you know such studies?
I didn't say there was anything wrong with high carbs. I said EXCESS...You seem to have it in your head that you can sit down and eat any amount of carbs and as long as it's under you what you need to lose weight it wont be stored as fat...You are wrong and BTW Chris Aceto says the same thing since you want to quote him. I have his e-book Everything You Need to Know About Fat Loss...I can e-mail it you or anyone else that wants it to prove my point and to use your own words against you.[/b]
Yes, as long as your protein is high enough and you get enough EFAs for basic health, you can fill in the rest with carbs (regardless what type) and lose fat. I want to see one single study which shows that's not possible.
Yes there is. When you keep doing the same 30 min of cardio on 35 it will not have the same effect it did as you first started. The body adjust and you'll have to do alot more to lose the same amount. BTW you just contradicted yourself when you said if you stop losing weight for a few weeks.....That is the plateau. So you have to do either for the following to cont. to lose weight. Exercise more or change the way you exercise from low int to high or just something different, eat less or cycle carbs to trick the body into losing weight while staying in a calorie deficit....
I say a few weeks because people tend to panic because of normal weight fluctuation. Metabolism goes down somewhat in a deficit, but usually not nearly as much as claimed. And of course you need to either lower calories or up cardio as you lose weight since the body finds a new maintenance level because of the lost weight and slightly reduced metabolism.
Cardio is fine if you can stick better to a diet higher in calories while doing cardio of course.
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You didn't answer anything I said. You keep spouting that bs. I'm done.
You're asking me to disprove your THEORY...That's what it is. Your THEORY is disproved with my SCIENCE. I gave you all the reference you need to read up on. If you want that Aceto book PM me and I'll e-mail it to you.
Instead of asking me to disprove your theory, how about you back it up with science and facts?
I still love you though. :)
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wiggs i don't know if its your diet thats making you cranky but wave is correct with everything he is saying.
and yes science backs this ;)
the term you are referring too i.e. carbs being converted into fat is called De novo lipogenesis.
the study below will explain everything you need to know about this (full text is available if you google it)
however i can sum it up for you if you like : fats and carbs are basically energy sources. as long as you reduce calories from either or both you will have to burn bodyfat to make up the deficit.
protein is separate and should be maintained at 1g per pound of lean body mass throughout the diet)
De novo lipogenesis in humans: metabolic and regulatory aspects.
Hellerstein MK.
Department of Nutritional Sciences, University of California at Berkeley, 94270-3104, USA.
The enzymatic pathway for converting dietary carbohydrate (CHO) into fat, or de novo lipogenesis (DNL), is present in humans, whereas the capacity to convert fats into CHO does not exist. Here, the quantitative importance of DNL in humans is reviewed, focusing on the response to increased intake of dietary CHO. Eucaloric replacement of dietary fat by CHO does not induce hepatic DNL to any substantial degree. Similarly, addition of CHO to a mixed diet does not increase hepatic DNL to quantitatively important levels, as long as CHO energy intake remains less than total energy expenditure (TEE). Instead, dietary CHO replaces fat in the whole-body fuel mixture, even in the post-absorptive state. Body fat is thereby accrued, but the pathway of DNL is not traversed; instead, a coordinated set of metabolic adaptations, including resistance of hepatic glucose production to suppression by insulin, occurs that allows CHO oxidation to increase and match CHO intake. Only when CHO energy intake exceeds TEE does DNL in liver or adipose tissue contribute significantly to the whole-body energy economy. It is concluded that DNL is not the pathway of first resort for added dietary CHO, in humans. Under most dietary conditions, the two major macronutrient energy sources (CHO and fat) are therefore not interconvertible currencies; CHO and fat have independent, though interacting, economies and independent regulation. The metabolic mechanisms and physiologic implications of the functional block between CHO and fat in humans are discussed, but require further investigation.
Also your comments on metabolic slowdown or the 'plateau' are totally false also. The reason your metabolism slows down during diet is mostly because your body mass has reduced- therefore reducing daily calorie expenditure. There are also survival mechanisms the body implements but even if the most extreme levels of this did occur you would only have to reduce calories from carbs/fat to lose more fat. This is a scientific fact.
if your metabolism actually really slowed down and plateaued i.e. t3 /t4 and various other biochemicals - you are fucked metabolically and will need to see a doctor for thyroid medication.
i have a few studies that show this conclusively also - should you not take my word for it.
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You didn't answer anything I said. You keep spouting that bs. I'm done.
You're asking me to disprove your THEORY...That's what it is. Your THEORY is disproved with my SCIENCE. I gave you all the reference you need to read up on. If you want that Aceto book PM me and I'll e-mail it to you.
Instead of asking me to disprove your theory, how about you back it up with science and facts?
I still love you though. :)
I can dig up a few studies comparing low carb with high carb diets which focus on body composition. None can show a sginificant advantage of low carb or keto diets.
I'm not the biggest fan of Aceto, I just know he uses low fat diets for his clients, using carbs to adjust total calories.
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thanks panda, you know I'm too lazy to dig up studies ;D
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wiggs i lost 35lbs doing this...
breakfast: 4 fried eggs on 2 dry whole wheat toast with cheese melted into eggs.
lunch: big steak + small can red kidney beans
dinner: 2 chicken breasts + big salad.
easy to follow and worked a treat.
yep that's pretty straight up like I do it
I usually go to my old "faithful" when I need to drop. I lost 33 on this in 3 months when I had to drop a few. Got a little out of control it worked so well.
breakfast: Oatmeal or 2 cups total cereal or egg whites and grits (yes, i'm from the south lol) , banana or orange, apple juice
lunch: 2 chicken breasts or steak , broccoli
dinner: shrimp and vegetables or 2 chicken breast + vegetables and fruit
my wife makes really good shakes with strawberries that I drink also in between.
this never fails me.
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thanks panda, you know I'm too lazy to dig up studies ;D
;D so am i, i have 1045 on my pc and forget where they all are. i only remember that dnl one because i re-read it just the other week there.
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And my aplogy to Wiggs, wasn't my intention to hijack his thread.
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Wiggs,
take wavelength's advice
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Wiggs,
take wavelength's advice
absolutely...i have done the bullshit every 3 hour, with stupid ratios etc etc...done it all
the day i started doing what wave preaches, i lose just as much fat, have more energy,
never feel guilt, and cravings are minimal compared to before....and best part is i never
feel flat which is a mental killer when dieting
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Panda one study proved nothing...And this is coming from STANFORD and HARVARD...
Although his September 2007 release Good Calories, Bad Calories has been met with much skepticism and criticism by those deeply entrenched in the conventional wisdom about diet and health who have interviewed him over the past couple of months since its release, New York Times science journalist Gary Taubes is adamant that the more than five years of research he conducted is merely the BEGINNING regarding the hypothesis that it is carbohydrates that is the root cause of obesity and other health-related diseases in people with a certain genetic disorder making them highly susceptible to rapid weight gain when they consume carbs of any kind. And he's definitely not alone now in this assertion within the medical community.
Dr. Andrew Weil understood it right away after reading Taubes' bestselling book as does Dr. David Ludwig who shared his own study recently on the ill effects of carbohydrates on the condition known as "fatty liver" disease. Now brand new research on the negative impact of carbs on weight and health sanctioned by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) is adding yet another layer of scientific truth and confirmation to what most of us who are livin' la vida low-carb already knew.
Lead researcher James M. Ntambi , PhD, Katherine Berns Von Donk Steenbock Professor of Biochemistry and Nutritional Sciences at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and his team of researchers have discovered a specific gene in the liver known as SCD-1, short for stearoyl-Coenzyme A desaturase 1. I like SCD-1 better, don't you? :)
It turns out this SCD-1 gene may be the culprit in why some people who eat a high-carb diet keep gaining and gaining weight while others who consume the same diet don't. Apparently, this gene actually causes dietary carbs to be turned into stored body fat rather than being broken down for energy. Conversely, mice that did not have SCD-1 in their liver were able to use the carbohydrates instead of having it turn to fat. Hmmmmmm...
Dr. Ntambi even fed a starchy, sugary diet to mice without SCD-1 in their liver and the excessive carbohydrates were used up and not stored. In other words, the carbs were not a contributing factor to any weight gain in the mice without SCD-1. But normal functioning livers in the control mice with the presence of SCD-1 saw just the opposite happen--the high-carb diet they consumed quickly poured on body fat by eating the exact same food.
In the battle against the bulge, Dr. Ntambi said his study shows that genetic liver function seems to play a more critical role than thought that may react differently in people with varying levels of the SCD-1 gene.
"It looks like the SCD gene in the liver is responsible for causing weight gain in response to a high-carbohydrate diet, because when we take away the gene's activity the animals no longer gain the weight," he said. "These findings are telling us that the liver is a key tissue in mediating weight gain induced by excess carbohydrates."
The results of this study were published in the December 5, 2007 issue of Cell Metabolism .
Well, look what we have here. As much as the so-called health "experts" like Glenn Gaesser go around ignorantly spouting off their mouth about how consuming a high-carb, sugary diet is perfectly fine for people to manage their weight, along comes a monkey wrench in that theory that is invariably tied to genetics. It makes you wonder just how many people are walking around and have this SCD-1 factor going on in their liver. While I don't know for sure, I'd be willing to bet with high probability that this explains how I got to 410 pounds back in 2004 and why carbohydrate restriction worked so well for me to shed over 180 pounds.
And the eye-opening results of this study are not lost on Dr. Ntambi who believes this study should open the door for even more research into the damning role of carbohydrates in weight gain and producing excessive stored fat. He sees this as a solid first step in bringing about major changes in how obesity is treated in the future.
If it can be determined that SCD-1 exists in a more concentrated form among the overweight and obese, then the golden opportunity to offer a natural, dietary solution like livin' la vida low-carb to them exists and should be actively promoted to them.
"We think that obese individuals, in general, may have higher SCD activity in both the liver and in adipose tissue," Dr. Ntambi explained. "So, they may have a higher capability of converting carbohydrate into fat."
This is some of the most amazing research in favor of low-carb as a viable option for people struggling with weight issues to come out over the past few years because it lends credibility to the idea that lowering your carbohydrates is a very good thing for a whole lot of people. We already know from this Harvard study that people with high insulin levels don't do well on a high-carb, low-fat diet. Perhaps they have this SCD-1 gene, too. It's an exciting development for people like me who found merit in this way of eating independent from what my doctor and common societal knowledge told me was right. I believe this study could be a godsend for others who struggle being overweight, too, because it could convince them to take charge of their own weight and health like I did.
Sadly, the Standard American Diet (SAD) is chock full of carbohydrates galore no thanks in part to ridiculous food ingredients such as high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) that shows up in just about everything nowadays, especially soft drinks and candy. It's disgusting how little outrage there is over the presence of HFCS in so much of what we eat while people go around getting their panties in a wad over seeing a little bit of saturated fat on a food label (scaremongering by the American Heart Association and their "Bad Fat Brothers" campaign hasn't helped matters either). UGH! Are we bassackwards regarding nutrition nowadays or what?
Perhaps this is the kind of research that will FINALLY get the traditionalists to think outside the box and realize there is something more to the idea that consuming sugar is unhealthy and not conducive to weight management because of a genetic predisposition. Whether that has ever been clearly articulated before, it certainly has now with this study.
"This is a very good example of a diet-gene interaction," Dr. Ntambi noted.
In fact, this latest research is part of an ongoing look at other parts of the body where SCD-1 may exist, such as the liver, muscles, brain, pancreas and adipose tissue to see what would happen. When SCD-1 was nonexistent, it didn't matter how many carbohydrates the researchers fed the mice--THEY DIDN'T GAIN A POUND! It makes me wonder if my wife Christine is fortunate enough to have a low amount of SCD-1 in her body since she can get away with eating A LOT MORE CARBS than I can and maintain her weight (ya know, it makes me sick!). :D
Interestingly, Dr. Ntambi found a rather peculiar and distinctive dichotomy among those mice that lacked the SCD-1 gene--they GAINED weight on a diet higher in fat versus a diet high in sugary carbs and low in fat which protected their health as well. In other words, a low-carb diet provided no weight management benefit to them which lends credence to my philosophy that people need to find the nutritional plan that works for THEM and follow that individualized program to properly take care of their own weight and health.
So what does all this mean? The first thing that pops in my mind is how utterly meaningless and ridiculous it is to have universal health recommendations for the general population. While a low-fat diet has long been trumpeted as "healthy" for everyone, that's obviously just not true. Now more than ever we need to see the low-carb diet promoted alongside the low-fat diet as another option for those people with this SCD-1 condition. Otherwise, you're destined to keep those people fat for the rest of their lives because they'll constantly get frustrated when their weight fails to stabilize on a fat-restricted diet.
I'm thinking out loud here, but there ought to be a test where people can determine what the level of SCD-1 in their liver is. I'm not a doctor, but it doesn't seem like this would be very hard if you did a biopsy or blood test of the liver to see. Those who have a strong presence of the gene should be placed on a strict low-carb diet regimen and those with little to no SCD-1 (ostensibly thinner by default) would be placed on a strict high-carb, low-fat diet.
In the mice that did not have any SCD-1, glucose production was basically shut down which prevented excessive insulin to be created in the body but subsequently led to an increased risk of hypoglycemia, or low blood sugar (which is why a high-carb diet is necessary for blood sugar management for them). Additionally, glycogen stores are not able to be created because the oleic acid, which helps with the breakdown of carbs, is rendered useless since the body converts them into energy.
"It looks to us that if you don't have enough oleic acid - which the SCD enzyme makes - then the carbohydrate does not proceed through normal glucose metabolism," Dr. Ntambi concluded.
To confirm this, the researchers added oleic acid supplements to the diet of these SCD-1 lacking mice and their metabolism returned to normal function. But it looks like the more carbs consumed, the higher amount of SCD-1 is present which can produce an overflow of oleic acid which then leads to stored fat and thus obesity. So it's never a good idea to go too overboard on the carbohydrates, simple or otherwise, as has been previously suggested and encouraged many times before by supposedly educated health "experts."
Dr. Ntambi agrees.
"Too much carbohydrate is not good," he remarked. "That's basically what we are saying."
Well, it's about time SOMEBODY in the medical research world said it and I hope this is merely the start of an exciting new trend. My desire is that this research will continue forward by Dr. Ntambi and other courageous researchers willing to let the data speak for itself without being dictated b any preconceived notions or low-fat dogma . And it looks like Dr. Mary C. Vernon's dream that the NIH would begin funding more low-carb studies is coming to fruition. The ball is now moving forward on the research, so I'm ready to see even more of it in the coming years! BRING IT ON!!!
You can e-mail Dr. James Ntambi about his remarkable research on the role of the SCD-1 gene in the liver and the negative role it plays when combined with a high-carb diet at ntambi@biochem.wisc.edu . We need to encourage MORE of these kind of studies to be conducted, so share your positive comments with him about this one.
THE OTHER ONE...
http://livinlavidalocarb.blogspot.com/2007/05/study-high-carb-low-fat-diet.html
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I'd say looks like we have a Mexican standoff but we don't. You know why? Wavelength can provide nothing. He has ZERO proof but his word proving his theory. In addition, he doesn't answer questions. Panda provided a study..That's fine. I just provided two from better schools.
So what now?
BTW Panda, in regards to: Also your comments on metabolic slowdown or the 'plateau' are totally false also. The reason your metabolism slows down during diet is mostly because your body mass has reduced- therefore reducing daily calorie expenditure. There are also survival mechanisms the body implements but even if the most extreme levels of this did occur you would only have to reduce calories from carbs/fat to lose more fat. This is a scientific fact.
if your metabolism actually really slowed down and plateaued i.e. t3 /t4 and various other biochemicals - you are fucked metabolically and will need to see a doctor for thyroid medication.
Go back and reread what I said. Wave and I weren't arguing over that. When people stop losing weight on a dieting the way they were before, that is percieved as a plateau. Nothing I said was wrong. What you are saying about that is correct, I'm not arguing against it. Like I said, lower calories, cycle carbs increase or change exercise. Your body DOES adjust to excerise you do and you will not lose the same amount of cal the first week you did week 1 as you do in week 12 because you are alot lighter which goes back to everything you said.
So do you have anything proving wave is correct because I just truimped your study with mine? Mine is conventional science Waves is not. Prove your cases.
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i recentyl figured out tre is a black schmoe who doesnt lift weights. since then i ignore his comments.
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Well your post is not a study on body composition with the aformentioned restrictions of protein intake and adjustment of total calories to meet a certain rate of weight loss.
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Well your post is not a study on body composition with the aformentioned restrictions of protein intake and adjustment of total calories to meet a certain rate of weight loss.
I know it's about CARBS and how you say excess are utilized and how I say they are. That study plays into what I said. You keep talking about protein...I'm not. The arguement is over excess carbs yet staying under your daily caloric intake. I say they are stored as fat and I don't know what you say about it. You're all over the place and won't answer anything directly.
I'm calling you out on your theory and you bounce all over the place and provide no proof and say you're too "lazy" ::)
Can you please link me to Doctors, scientists or nutritionist that prescribe your practices? Or should I just believe some guy on an internet bodybuilding board...Nothing personal but it is what it is.
SHOW PROOF...Bottom line. PROOF that you can eat whatever you want as you say or whatever your hypothesis is. And the proof that the excess is not stored as fat.
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I know it's about CARBS and how you say excess are utilized and how I say they are. That study plays into what I said. You keep talking about protein...I'm not. The arguement is over excess carbs yet staying under your daily caloric intake. I say they are stored as fat and I don't know what you say about it. You're all over the place and won't answer anything directly.
diets aren't rocket science....just don't over complicate it...
bench
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diets aren't rocket science....just don't over complicate it...
bench
Never said they were Wave and Adonis have been spewing wackass shit for years and it's gone unchecked. I ask for proof and receive none.
There are many roads that lead to Rome....That I'm not challenging. He knows what I'm challenging.
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Never said they were Wave and Adonis have been spewing wackass shit for years and it's gone unchecked. I ask for proof and receive none.
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look at their bodies, their quite lean wouldn't you say?
people make gaining muscle and losing fat seem so complicated, when it really isn't
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The arguement is over excess carbs yet staying under your daily caloric intake. I say they are stored as fat and I don't know what you say about it.
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They do not. End of story. It's not excess if you're in a deficit. How could it be? Carbs are energy yet you are eating less energy than you expend. Why would the body store it if it's not even enough to maintain current weight?
Gary Taubes = moron
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I'm a big fan of those Tostitos jalapeno scoops. :)
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I'm a big fan of those Tostitos jalapeno scoops. :)
i am more of a gummy bear/worm type of guy.......a handfull of those awesome bastards after a workout always gets my dick hard :o
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Wiggs, eff the chips...after going without a bit, you'll stop craving them. If you must, have a cheat day.
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Good luck. Post your "before" pic so you have inspiration for the "after" pic to come.
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They do not. End of story. It's not excess if you're in a deficit. How could it be? Carbs are energy yet you are eating less energy than you expend. Why would the body store it if it's not even enough to maintain current weight?
Gary Taubes = moron
good post, wiggs will need proof though ::)
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I know it's about CARBS and how you say excess are utilized and how I say they are. That study plays into what I said. You keep talking about protein...I'm not. The arguement is over excess carbs yet staying under your daily caloric intake. I say they are stored as fat and I don't know what you say about it. You're all over the place and won't answer anything directly.
I'm calling you out on your theory and you bounce all over the place and provide no proof and say you're too "lazy" ::)
Can you please link me to Doctors, scientists or nutritionist that prescribe your practices? Or should I just believe some guy on an internet bodybuilding board...Nothing personal but it is what it is.
SHOW PROOF...Bottom line. PROOF that you can eat whatever you want as you say or whatever your hypothesis is. And the proof that the excess is not stored as fat.
If you are in a caloric deficit, you must lose weight. That's the definition of a deficit, I think we can agree upon that. In order to gain fat in a deficit, you would have to lose more muscle than you gain fat, otherwise you wouldn't lose total weight, correct?
So you are saying if you shift your intake from fats to carbs while staying in a deficit (= adjusting total intake to still achieve the same rate of weight loss), and also still eating enough protein and performing strength training that all of a sudden you will not lose fat anymore and preserve most of your muscle mass but instead gain fat and lose more muscle than you gain fat?
As for me not providing any proof, neither did you. But as I said, I'll dig up some studies on body composition comparing low and high carb diets, because that's what we are talking about.
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If you plan a diet with certain meals per day carbs/fats/proteins ....
All you're thinking about all day is food and sticking to the diet
Ever had a time when you're busy and you're mind is occupied?
You don't eat as much when you're busy with other things..
Get your mind off food. Thinking about a diet/food makes you hungry
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Any links to Rocket Science available for dissection?
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Any links to Rocket Science available for dissection?
No, but I can give a short dissertation on the belief that insanity is nothing more than the mind's inability to comprehend that a constant reality does not exist...
I have no idea what I just wrote.
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Panda one study proved nothing...And this is coming from STANFORD and HARVARD...
Although his September 2007 release Good Calories, Bad Calories has been met with much skepticism and criticism by those deeply entrenched in the conventional wisdom about diet and health who have interviewed him over the past couple of months since its release, New York Times science journalist Gary Taubes is adamant that the more than five years of research he conducted is merely the BEGINNING regarding the hypothesis that it is carbohydrates that is the root cause of obesity and other health-related diseases in people with a certain genetic disorder making them highly susceptible to rapid weight gain when they consume carbs of any kind. And he's definitely not alone now in this assertion within the medical community.
Dr. Andrew Weil understood it right away after reading Taubes' bestselling book as does Dr. David Ludwig who shared his own study recently on the ill effects of carbohydrates on the condition known as "fatty liver" disease. Now brand new research on the negative impact of carbs on weight and health sanctioned by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) is adding yet another layer of scientific truth and confirmation to what most of us who are livin' la vida low-carb already knew.
Lead researcher James M. Ntambi , PhD, Katherine Berns Von Donk Steenbock Professor of Biochemistry and Nutritional Sciences at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and his team of researchers have discovered a specific gene in the liver known as SCD-1, short for stearoyl-Coenzyme A desaturase 1. I like SCD-1 better, don't you? :)
It turns out this SCD-1 gene may be the culprit in why some people who eat a high-carb diet keep gaining and gaining weight while others who consume the same diet don't. Apparently, this gene actually causes dietary carbs to be turned into stored body fat rather than being broken down for energy. Conversely, mice that did not have SCD-1 in their liver were able to use the carbohydrates instead of having it turn to fat. Hmmmmmm...
Dr. Ntambi even fed a starchy, sugary diet to mice without SCD-1 in their liver and the excessive carbohydrates were used up and not stored. In other words, the carbs were not a contributing factor to any weight gain in the mice without SCD-1. But normal functioning livers in the control mice with the presence of SCD-1 saw just the opposite happen--the high-carb diet they consumed quickly poured on body fat by eating the exact same food.
In the battle against the bulge, Dr. Ntambi said his study shows that genetic liver function seems to play a more critical role than thought that may react differently in people with varying levels of the SCD-1 gene.
"It looks like the SCD gene in the liver is responsible for causing weight gain in response to a high-carbohydrate diet, because when we take away the gene's activity the animals no longer gain the weight," he said. "These findings are telling us that the liver is a key tissue in mediating weight gain induced by excess carbohydrates."
The results of this study were published in the December 5, 2007 issue of Cell Metabolism .
Well, look what we have here. As much as the so-called health "experts" like Glenn Gaesser go around ignorantly spouting off their mouth about how consuming a high-carb, sugary diet is perfectly fine for people to manage their weight, along comes a monkey wrench in that theory that is invariably tied to genetics. It makes you wonder just how many people are walking around and have this SCD-1 factor going on in their liver. While I don't know for sure, I'd be willing to bet with high probability that this explains how I got to 410 pounds back in 2004 and why carbohydrate restriction worked so well for me to shed over 180 pounds.
And the eye-opening results of this study are not lost on Dr. Ntambi who believes this study should open the door for even more research into the damning role of carbohydrates in weight gain and producing excessive stored fat. He sees this as a solid first step in bringing about major changes in how obesity is treated in the future.
If it can be determined that SCD-1 exists in a more concentrated form among the overweight and obese, then the golden opportunity to offer a natural, dietary solution like livin' la vida low-carb to them exists and should be actively promoted to them.
"We think that obese individuals, in general, may have higher SCD activity in both the liver and in adipose tissue," Dr. Ntambi explained. "So, they may have a higher capability of converting carbohydrate into fat."
This is some of the most amazing research in favor of low-carb as a viable option for people struggling with weight issues to come out over the past few years because it lends credibility to the idea that lowering your carbohydrates is a very good thing for a whole lot of people. We already know from this Harvard study that people with high insulin levels don't do well on a high-carb, low-fat diet. Perhaps they have this SCD-1 gene, too. It's an exciting development for people like me who found merit in this way of eating independent from what my doctor and common societal knowledge told me was right. I believe this study could be a godsend for others who struggle being overweight, too, because it could convince them to take charge of their own weight and health like I did.
Sadly, the Standard American Diet (SAD) is chock full of carbohydrates galore no thanks in part to ridiculous food ingredients such as high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) that shows up in just about everything nowadays, especially soft drinks and candy. It's disgusting how little outrage there is over the presence of HFCS in so much of what we eat while people go around getting their panties in a wad over seeing a little bit of saturated fat on a food label (scaremongering by the American Heart Association and their "Bad Fat Brothers" campaign hasn't helped matters either). UGH! Are we bassackwards regarding nutrition nowadays or what?
Perhaps this is the kind of research that will FINALLY get the traditionalists to think outside the box and realize there is something more to the idea that consuming sugar is unhealthy and not conducive to weight management because of a genetic predisposition. Whether that has ever been clearly articulated before, it certainly has now with this study.
"This is a very good example of a diet-gene interaction," Dr. Ntambi noted.
In fact, this latest research is part of an ongoing look at other parts of the body where SCD-1 may exist, such as the liver, muscles, brain, pancreas and adipose tissue to see what would happen. When SCD-1 was nonexistent, it didn't matter how many carbohydrates the researchers fed the mice--THEY DIDN'T GAIN A POUND! It makes me wonder if my wife Christine is fortunate enough to have a low amount of SCD-1 in her body since she can get away with eating A LOT MORE CARBS than I can and maintain her weight (ya know, it makes me sick!). :D
Interestingly, Dr. Ntambi found a rather peculiar and distinctive dichotomy among those mice that lacked the SCD-1 gene--they GAINED weight on a diet higher in fat versus a diet high in sugary carbs and low in fat which protected their health as well. In other words, a low-carb diet provided no weight management benefit to them which lends credence to my philosophy that people need to find the nutritional plan that works for THEM and follow that individualized program to properly take care of their own weight and health.
So what does all this mean? The first thing that pops in my mind is how utterly meaningless and ridiculous it is to have universal health recommendations for the general population. While a low-fat diet has long been trumpeted as "healthy" for everyone, that's obviously just not true. Now more than ever we need to see the low-carb diet promoted alongside the low-fat diet as another option for those people with this SCD-1 condition. Otherwise, you're destined to keep those people fat for the rest of their lives because they'll constantly get frustrated when their weight fails to stabilize on a fat-restricted diet.
I'm thinking out loud here, but there ought to be a test where people can determine what the level of SCD-1 in their liver is. I'm not a doctor, but it doesn't seem like this would be very hard if you did a biopsy or blood test of the liver to see. Those who have a strong presence of the gene should be placed on a strict low-carb diet regimen and those with little to no SCD-1 (ostensibly thinner by default) would be placed on a strict high-carb, low-fat diet.
In the mice that did not have any SCD-1, glucose production was basically shut down which prevented excessive insulin to be created in the body but subsequently led to an increased risk of hypoglycemia, or low blood sugar (which is why a high-carb diet is necessary for blood sugar management for them). Additionally, glycogen stores are not able to be created because the oleic acid, which helps with the breakdown of carbs, is rendered useless since the body converts them into energy.
"It looks to us that if you don't have enough oleic acid - which the SCD enzyme makes - then the carbohydrate does not proceed through normal glucose metabolism," Dr. Ntambi concluded.
To confirm this, the researchers added oleic acid supplements to the diet of these SCD-1 lacking mice and their metabolism returned to normal function. But it looks like the more carbs consumed, the higher amount of SCD-1 is present which can produce an overflow of oleic acid which then leads to stored fat and thus obesity. So it's never a good idea to go too overboard on the carbohydrates, simple or otherwise, as has been previously suggested and encouraged many times before by supposedly educated health "experts."
Dr. Ntambi agrees.
"Too much carbohydrate is not good," he remarked. "That's basically what we are saying."
Well, it's about time SOMEBODY in the medical research world said it and I hope this is merely the start of an exciting new trend. My desire is that this research will continue forward by Dr. Ntambi and other courageous researchers willing to let the data speak for itself without being dictated b any preconceived notions or low-fat dogma . And it looks like Dr. Mary C. Vernon's dream that the NIH would begin funding more low-carb studies is coming to fruition. The ball is now moving forward on the research, so I'm ready to see even more of it in the coming years! BRING IT ON!!!
You can e-mail Dr. James Ntambi about his remarkable research on the role of the SCD-1 gene in the liver and the negative role it plays when combined with a high-carb diet at ntambi@biochem.wisc.edu . We need to encourage MORE of these kind of studies to be conducted, so share your positive comments with him about this one.
THE OTHER ONE...
http://livinlavidalocarb.blogspot.com/2007/05/study-high-carb-low-fat-diet.html
wiggs that is an article, not a study. Also my study was a review discussing findings from lots of studies on dnl - so in effect it was more like me posting lots of studies backing up what i said rather than one.
gary taubes believes that calories do not matter - so he is a fool and should be disregarded.
in every metabolic ward study ( everything eaten is prepared and counted - so the results are accurate) done - of which there are around 45. All show that its calories from fats/carbs that dictate fat loss. High fat or high carb it didn't matter. calories were always king.
i believe there is health benefits from eating lower carbs, but strictly speaking of fat loss - calories are all that matter.
regardless, i hope you find something that suits your lifestyle and lose the fat you want.
if you have any other questions feel free to ask.
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ya know what stinkssssssssssssss..her e I make my daughter chicken lo mein for dinner, but no I get to eat grilled chicken...ughhhhh
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If he is in an overall deficit, eats enough protein and performs intense strength training, he will lose fat that day.
If a person's glycogen stored are already filled...And that person were to eat 300 grams of carbs in one sitting..More than likely most will be stored as fat..
This is what the human body does. it want's to survive through times of famine..
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No, but I can give a short dissertation on the belief that insanity is nothing more than the mind's inability to comprehend that a constant reality does not exist...
I have no idea what I just wrote.
sorta like the blue and the red pill?
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If a person's glycogen stored are already filled...And that person were to eat 300 grams of carbs in one sitting..More than likely most will be stored as fat..
This is what the human body does. it want's to survive through times of famine..
how do you know when a person's glycogen stores are filled?
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Weegro, are you running T3 at this point of fatness? Come on man, you don't need that shit for at least another 40 lbs.
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Weegro, are you running T3 at this point of fatness? Come on man, you don't need that shit for at least another 40 lbs.
I was thinking the same thing. At 26% bf, just start eating less and you will lose weight.
I would also advise to listen to wavelength on this one. It is about nothing more than eating less than you are taking in.
Divide those calories any way you wish, but as far as how they are broken down, it is not as important as taking in fewer calories.
And for christ's sake stop taking T3! No reason to mess with that unless you are going to compete.
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how do you know when a person's glycogen stores are filled?
hope this helps, read it and you should have a better understanding on the subject, and you may be able to estimate when your glycogen stores are filled or overcompensated..
there are some tables there you could reference...
http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/mcdonald/carb-up-and-ketogenic-diet.htm
Carbing Up on the Cyclical Ketogenic Diet
by Lyle McDonald, CSCS
Author of The Ketogenic Diet
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If all else fails, he must go back to the Source. Go to the nearest inner city liquor store, or find a brotha fresh fom Jail, and asked about "how to be one with Epic Leans and Malt liquor". The journey will be dangerous, you must go thru rigorous playground training, incorporating slow and fast muscle up movements (using slow and fast twitch muscles). But you will be rewarded, because it all begins at The Source. Where all things begins.
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This is week two of my diet. Last week I did a low/no carb thing and of course had zero energy. By Sunday night I just wanted to quit. As a cheat meal I had 3 grab bags of 3rd degree hot Doritos (Hot as fuck and great tasting).
I decided I didn't want to diet on no carbs. So Monday I reintroduced carbs and am doing better. I started out at 258 lbs on Mar 8. As of This morning Mar 17th I was 253lbs a 5lb loss in 10 days with carbs still in me. Not too bad. I had my bodyfat tested yesterday morning I was 254lbs at 26.5% bf. I told my coach my goal was 10% bf. That would put me at 207 lbs and I'd be in incredible shape.
Based on that my Basal Metabolic Rate or BMR is 2201.6 calories. This is the amount of calories I'd burn if I never got out of bed. My Total Daily Energy Expenditure or TDEE is 3412 calories. Meaning the amount of calories i burn based on my lifestyle. So he is having me to eat 2900 calories to lose weight. I'm going a little lower to 2730 to eat less food. I'm not a big eater. I'm eating 326 g of protein 253 g of carbs and 64 g of fats. I drink two protein shakes a day as meal replacements and have a maltodextrin carb shake post workout with 50 g of carbs. I don't eat any carbs within 3 hours of sleep even if it means deviating from the diet.
I do cardio 2 x per day. 45 min in the morning prior to eating and 30 min after workout. I also do ECA 3 x per day 25 mg ephedrine, 200 mg caffine and 80 mg asprine. I'm on 50 mcg of t-3 and will ramp that up to 150 mcg of t-3 over the course of 8 weeks. I've never had any problem with losing muscle from t-3. I will swtich from ECA to clen around the 6 week point to change things up. No juice, no GH.
I just want to eat some fucking chips and sleep....FUUCCCCCCCCCCCC CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC CCCCKKKKK THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCK.. .
It's either this or continue to be fat. :'(
Time for meal three :-X :'(
whining people everywhere...
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How does T3 work? Never heard of it.
Simply put, T3 is a hormone produced by your Thyroid gland. It helps regulate your body's metabolism, mostly by affecting your body temp.
Using it can mess your your own gland's ability to produce the hormone. Plus, who wants to feel like they have a fever all the time?
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Wiggs, you mention your coach. Aren't you a little old to be playing college football?
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Wiggs, you mention your coach. Aren't you a little old to be playing college football?
;D...call him my nutritionist
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;D...call him my nutritionist
haha, yes the "supplement consierge."
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If a person's glycogen stored are already filled...And that person were to eat 300 grams of carbs in one sitting..More than likely most will be stored as fat..
This is what the human body does. it want's to survive through times of famine..
Even if it would store some fat temporarily, it would release is that same day. And some more.
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wiggs that is an article, not a study. Also my study was a review discussing findings from lots of studies on dnl - so in effect it was more like me posting lots of studies backing up what i said rather than one.
gary taubes believes that calories do not matter - so he is a fool and should be disregarded.
in every metabolic ward study ( everything eaten is prepared and counted - so the results are accurate) done - of which there are around 45. All show that its calories from fats/carbs that dictate fat loss. High fat or high carb it didn't matter. calories were always king.
i believe there is health benefits from eating lower carbs, but strictly speaking of fat loss - calories are all that matter.
regardless, i hope you find something that suits your lifestyle and lose the fat you want.
if you have any other questions feel free to ask.
You don't happen to have a list of references for those 45 studies?
;D
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You don't happen to have a list of references for those 45 studies?
;D
:D
For all of getbigs enquiring minds :
Metabolic ward studies represent the only truly controlled examination of weight loss diets varying in macronutrient ratios but equal in calories. As such, they deserve far greater attention than they have received to date.
What follows is a list of each of the metabolic ward trials comparing isocaloric diets of differing macronutrient composition.
This table lists the results of various metabolic ward studies, most lasting 3 weeks or more. Studies lasting only a week or two offer little information of value regarding longer-term weight reduction as their results are often swayed by water loss (low-carbohydrate diets commonly result in greater initial water loss, but this effect is transient) and have therefore been excluded. ( these make up the rest of the 40+ studies i mentioned.)
enjoy 8)
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The arguement is over excess carbs yet staying under your daily caloric intake.
its IMPOSSIBLE to have an excess carbs if your UNDER your daily calorie intake.
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ok...after reading some shit last night suggested by posters..i'm agreeing with tbombz...how in the world can you get fat off of too many carbs if you aren't surpassing your baseline caloric intake?
markos says if your glycogen stores are full..and then someone downs 300 grams of carbs then it'll get stored as fat...i agree with this..but i don't believe it has anything to do with glycogen stores..just total calories ingested throughout the day...if your stores are full is it safe to assume that you have ingested the total amount of calories needed for your size body? if it is..then adding an additional 1200 calories by swallowing 300 grams of carbs would put your body into positive caloric intake resulting in weight gain. no?
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its IMPOSSIBLE to have an excess carbs if your UNDER your daily calorie intake.
exactly...i don't understand why people worry about storage in a deficit
it is also pointless to worrry about doing cardio in a fasted state when in a daily deficit....it is about
total daily expenditure vs daily caloric intake, not trying to burn fat DURING the actual exercise bout...
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Even if it would store some fat temporarily, it would release is that same day. And some more.
yeah...their lives would be so much easier if they would just listen to your principals
i have lost 3.1% bodyfat since January following your guidlines...and that happened easier
than ever before...i have also continued to make minimal strenght gains, plenty of energy,
and i eat whatever the fuck i want....i also drink a few beers every weekend, had ice cream
and pizza last night, etc etc
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Seriously, I am still confused as to how people make this sooooo fucking complicated!
Especially anyone above 20% bodyfat should not concern themselves with all the minute details of macro/micro nutrients, etc.
It is just a recipe for failure.
Remember KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid)
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yeah...their lives would be so much easier if they would just listen to your principals
i have lost 3.1% bodyfat since January following your guidlines...and that happened easier
than ever before...i have also continued to make minimal strenght gains, plenty of energy,
and i eat whatever the fuck i want....i also drink a few beers every weekend, had ice cream
and pizza last night, etc etc
Congrats on your progress bro! :)
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Seriously, I am still confused as to how people make this sooooo fucking complicated!
Especially anyone above 20% bodyfat should not concern themselves with all the minute details of macro/micro nutrients, etc.
It is just a recipe for failure.
Remember KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid)
Even at 8-10%, the same things work just as well. The only thing you will probably have to reduce is the rate of weight loss in order not to lose too much muscle.
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:D
For all of getbigs enquiring minds :
Metabolic ward studies represent the only truly controlled examination of weight loss diets varying in macronutrient ratios but equal in calories. As such, they deserve far greater attention than they have received to date.
What follows is a list of each of the metabolic ward trials comparing isocaloric diets of differing macronutrient composition.
This table lists the results of various metabolic ward studies, most lasting 3 weeks or more. Studies lasting only a week or two offer little information of value regarding longer-term weight reduction as their results are often swayed by water loss (low-carbohydrate diets commonly result in greater initial water loss, but this effect is transient) and have therefore been excluded. ( these make up the rest of the 40+ studies i mentioned.)
enjoy 8)
Thanks man!
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What point is there to an extreme diet? Seems like a lifestyle change would make more sense in the long run.
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Thanks man!
you're welcome :)
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you're welcome :)
fat panda, the other night I left my laptop on and my little on saw your avatar and now asks me to find the dancing kung fu panda picture
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fat panda, the other night I left my laptop on and my little on saw your avatar and now asks me to find the dancing kung fu panda picture
Click on his profile an you can copy it.
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fat panda, the other night I left my laptop on and my little on saw your avatar and now asks me to find the dancing kung fu panda picture
I made it simpler for you
http://i25.tinypic.com/2a8ivmf.jpg
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gotcha but I dont wanna copy it..I like mine
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gotcha but I dont wanna copy it..I like mine
I thought she wanted her for herself, not to change your avatar.
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oh okay mon thank you
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Have you given up yet, Wiggs?
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Wiggs reminds me of this tool I used to know a few years back. He was broke most of the time, but when he did have some cash flow (delivering pizzas, selling weed, occasional PT client) he would buy juice and go train. The ONLY time you would see him at the gym would be when he was on something. He would run deca, masteron, test, clen, t3...different combinations and openly tell you about them so you would be impressed by how huge and ripped he was gonna get. 2 months would pass and the same excuse was always there..."ran out of money bro".
Anyways, you're running all these thermos when you are 26% BF? and then you STILL have the balls to come on here and bitch?
You, my friend are a HUGE pussy that needs to hand over their man card. There are plenty of natties out there who diet without the aid of the shit you're taking and go about their business as usual.
Once you reach 10% ( I doubt it) you'll stay there maybe 2-3 weeks before ballooning back up because there is no way in hell you're gonna be able to keep taking all your thermos for an extended period of time.
"WAAAAAHHHH WAAAAHHHH Dieting sucks!"
Just being real.
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Wiggs reminds me of this tool I used to know a few years back. He was broke most of the time, but when he did have some cash flow (delivering pizzas, selling weed, occasional PT client) he would buy juice and go train. The ONLY time you would see him at the gym would be when he was on something. He would run deca, masteron, test, clen, t3...different combinations and openly tell you about them so you would be impressed by how huge and ripped he was gonna get. 2 months would pass and the same excuse was always there..."ran out of money bro".
Anyways, you're running all these thermos when you are 26% BF? and then you STILL have the balls to come on here and bitch?
You, my friend are a HUGE pussy that needs to hand over their man card. There are plenty of natties out there who diet without the aid of the shit you're taking and go about their business as usual.
Once you reach 10% ( I doubt it) you'll stay there maybe 2-3 weeks before ballooning back up because there is no way in hell you're gonna be able to keep taking all your thermos for an extended period of time.
"WAAAAAHHHH WAAAAHHHH Dieting sucks!"
Just being real.
hahaha fatty "wiggs" owned.
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I've fallin off my diet 4 times in the past month. I'm getting fatter by the day! :'(
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Wiggsy is VERY, VERY fat, but posts pictures of himself because he thinks he's kinda big at the same time.
Message to Wiggs: stop eating shit, and get serious....OR SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT BEING FAT.
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I've fallin off my diet 4 times in the past month. I'm getting fatter by the day! :'(
Why are you failing?
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It's not bro-science. Read ANY SCIENCE BOOK. When the body breaks down carbs into glucose and your glycogen levels are full excess is stored as fat.
yea and don't miss your anabolic window after training. (http://www.freejunknstuff.com/laf.gif)
bro-science indeed, good term. and get your lazy ass off the drugs.
geez what an idiot. related to tbombz much (http://www.freejunknstuff.com/hom.gif)
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Wiggs is crying about dieting for a week while loaded on drugs? No wonder he's 300 pounds at 40% bodyfat. Nice willpower.
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Post a before shot.