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After posting something in the T-Rex arms thread, I noticed that arm size has been quite stagnant for the past few yrs since Coleman left the game. We all know Coleman had some guns, measured at 24 inches.
Now, since Phil is the most prominant (not necessarily the biggest) gunslinger, and allegedly his are 21.5-22s, how big do you think he'll go by the end of his career? Will he max out at 24 himself? Now I know that there guys like McMillian, Khan and Roelly waiting in the wings with some freaky arms, and they may overtake him, how big do you think they will go as well?
I say Phil will max out at 23.5-24 35-37 yrs old.
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After posting something in the T-Rex arms thread, I noticed that arm size has been quite stagnant for the past few yrs since Coleman left the game. We all know Coleman had some guns, measured at 24 inches.
Now, since Phil is the most prominant (not necessarily the biggest) gunslinger, and allegedly his are 21.5-22s, how big do you think he'll go by the end of his career? Will he max out at 24 himself? Now I know that there guys like McMillian, Khan and Roelly waiting in the wings with some freaky arms, and they may overtake him, how big do you think they will go as well?
I say Phil will max out at 23.5-24 35-37 yrs old.
How big are Kai's, his look bigger then heaths.
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his arms are maxed out.. 20 inch contest
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How big are Kai's, his look bigger then heaths.
qft
they did at the arnold
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i dont think he's so concerned with there size as he is there shape and condition
personally i've always thought phil was never quit "grainy" enough on stage
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Im going to say it right here and now - Phil cannot get any larger without having a HUGE gut. He's maxed out on size + aesthetics. Honestly, I think his belly is getting bigger each contest.
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i dont think he's so concerned with there size as he is there shape and condition
personally i've always thought phil was never quit "grainy" enough on stage
The grainy look comes with age, he has plenty of detail.
As far as Kai's there maybe a possibility that they are bigger, but Phil's look better.
I don't know if Phil has mazes out, if he is 236 (approx) for this past Arnold, then him being maxed out makes him far less genetically gifted than one would have thought. I do think his obliques make him look like he has a wide waist, and true it looks like he can't get bigger. But this was said last yr, and look what happened.
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The grainy look comes with age, he has plenty of detail.
As far as Kai's there maybe a possibility that they are bigger, but Phil's look better.
I don't know if Phil has mazes out, if he is 236 (approx) for this past Arnold, then him being maxed out makes him far less genetically gifted than one would have thought. I do think his obliques make him look like he has a wide waist, and true it looks like he can't get bigger. But this was said last yr, and look what happened.
Nah, I believe it comes from heavy duty style training whereas Phil is all volume.
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Nah, I believe it comes from heavy duty style training whereas Phil is all volume.
Training Heavy Duty has no bearing on Muscle Maturity, that comes in the 30s, I read in JAMA a few yrs back that it was late 30s-40s, but since we are dealing with dudes on the sauce, Id gather that is sped up. Your statement is again negated because Dexter has that grainy look to his muscles. Usually you will see dudes in their 40s and 50s with that grainy look, at least my uncle did, and one of the football coaches at Morgan State did. They were all in their 40s-50s, my uncle still has that look. As a matter of fact, he doesn't lift and has forearms to die for.
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his arms are maxed out.. 20 inch contest
he measured them offseason at 270 in the gift unwrapped. They were 22. No way in hell he loses 2 inches when in shape. An inch...MAX. They are 21 in shape
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After posting something in the T-Rex arms thread, I noticed that arm size has been quite stagnant for the past few yrs since Coleman left the game. We all know Coleman had some guns, measured at 24 inches.
Now, since Phil is the most prominant (not necessarily the biggest) gunslinger, and allegedly his are 21.5-22s, how big do you think he'll go by the end of his career? Will he max out at 24 himself? Now I know that there guys like McMillian, Khan and Roelly waiting in the wings with some freaky arms, and they may overtake him, how big do you think they will go as well?
I say Phil will max out at 23.5-24 35-37 yrs old.
I think it doesnt really matter how big he will get them measured with a tape.
The only thing that matters is how big they look to the eye, in videos, in photos....and they are already LARGE and impressive as fuck..
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You definetley take arms serious don't you Parker ... Always making the arm threads
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The grainy look comes with age, he has plenty of detail.
As far as Kai's there maybe a possibility that they are bigger, but Phil's look better.
I don't know if Phil has mazes out, if he is 236 (approx) for this past Arnold, then him being maxed out makes him far less genetically gifted than one would have thought. I do think his obliques make him look like he has a wide waist, and true it looks like he can't get bigger. But this was said last yr, and look what happened.
something i noticed, i think getting "grainy" has a racial component, (some of the time) just like black competitors having overall smaller waists, or higher calves
maybe it due to more natural androgens, or somethig i cant explain......but i think if you look at competitors at show level body fat levels......black guys on the whole seem to carry a little bit more water then a white guy with equal BF levels
for example, your rarely to never see a black guy get that look branch warren had at the olympia, or the graniness paco acheives, or the munzer condition, or jay this past year, or some of the yates years maybe it has something to do with melatonin, im not sure
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Nah, I believe it comes from heavy duty style training whereas Phil is all volume.
It has nothing to do with heavy duty style of training. I think its genetics and years training, at least muscle maturity comes from a good number of years training.
Look at Mark Dugdale, he trains HIT yet has no grainy look. On the other hand, look at Dexter, Priest, etc. they are all volume trainers and have the grainy look.
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You definetley take arms serious don't you Parker ... Always making the arm threads
Ha, at one time I did, that was all I trained, I like the look of big arms... Actually I have been on getbig, too addictive and I need to get back in the gym...but I will go back and not be lifting weights. I always wanted to take up Capoeira, but there have not been classes within a reasonable distance.. Until now.
Un-sung, I kinda agree, it also may have to do with skin tone as well. The lighter the skin tone, the more easy it is to see the "graininess". I remember seeing the football coach at my college who is black and in his 40s, and trains and eats old skool... He had that grainy look, but you had to be close by to see it. It's kinda like how Ronnie has that "denseness" to his muscle, soemthing you don't get unless you train heavy and for a long while.
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After posting something in the T-Rex arms thread, I noticed that arm size has been quite stagnant for the past few yrs since Coleman left the game. We all know Coleman had some guns, measured at 24 inches.
Now, since Phil is the most prominant (not necessarily the biggest) gunslinger, and allegedly his are 21.5-22s, how big do you think he'll go by the end of his career? Will he max out at 24 himself? Now I know that there guys like McMillian, Khan and Roelly waiting in the wings with some freaky arms, and they may overtake him, how big do you think they will go as well?
I say Phil will max out at 23.5-24 35-37 yrs old.
I dont think they will get much bigger with his frame, they are huge on that mofo already.
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I suppose he'll carry on supplementing their size with synthol as long as they dont look too ridiculous
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I suppose he'll carry on supplementing their size with synthol as long as they dont look too ridiculous
the rule of thumb with synthol is your using too much if people start to question if your using it.......
tons of pros are currently using synthol, but just for some size here or there
the key is to keep it subtle and make sure no bodyparts start to stand out or look asymetrical
like this fella, this is a good example of SEOs being discretely employed to help bring up a lagging bodypart
remember...your not supposed to be able to tell what muscle he is using it in
anyone have any guesses??????????
(http://www.artsyspot.com/img/weird/synthol-victims/synthol-victims36.jpg)
(http://www.artsyspot.com/img/weird/synthol-victims/synthol-victims37.jpg)
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the rule of thumb with synthol is your using too much if people start to question if your using it.......
tons of pros are currently using synthol, but just for some size here or there
the key is to keep it subtle and make sure no bodyparts start to stand out or look asymetrical
like this fella, this is a good example of SEOs being discretely employed to help bring up a lagging bodypart
remember...your not supposed to be able to tell what muscle he is using it in
anyone have any guesses??????????
(http://www.artsyspot.com/img/weird/synthol-victims/synthol-victims36.jpg)
(http://www.artsyspot.com/img/weird/synthol-victims/synthol-victims37.jpg)
in Phil's first vid he comments on the fact that you get to see his arms in the offseason or when dieting down, and see that there are no lumps and bumps on his arms..."that's not a knock on other pros..."
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Are we talking length?
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he measured them offseason at 270 in the gift unwrapped. They were 22. No way in hell he loses 2 inches when in shape. An inch...MAX. They are 21 in shape
That's surprising - I would have said they were even bigger than 22 offseason - they look absolutely huge when compared with his torso - but maybe that's the illusion.
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in Phil's first vid he comments on the fact that you get to see his arms in the offseason or when dieting down, and see that there are no lumps and bumps on his arms..."that's not a knock on other pros..."
i didnt mean phil.....i dont believe he uses synthol......too much detail in his arms......even with discreet synthol usage, the muscle starts to get that washed out look, like flex wheeler, nasser, milos, later in their careers
i just wanted an excuse to post pics of that dude ;D
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he measured them offseason at 270 in the gift unwrapped. They were 22. No way in hell he loses 2 inches when in shape. An inch...MAX. They are 21 in shape
Are you fucking nuts he loses 30+ lbs and only loses an inch in his arms ::) YOU know better than this FFS
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no official measurements--» threads about how big are his arms = pure speculation --» no point discussing
I am feeling mathematical today
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i'm amazed they are not 24" already - they certainly look huge.
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After posting something in the T-Rex arms thread, I noticed that arm size has been quite stagnant for the past few yrs since Coleman left the game. We all know Coleman had some guns, measured at 24 inches.
Now, since Phil is the most prominant (not necessarily the biggest) gunslinger, and allegedly his are 21.5-22s, how big do you think he'll go by the end of his career? Will he max out at 24 himself? Now I know that there guys like McMillian, Khan and Roelly waiting in the wings with some freaky arms, and they may overtake him, how big do you think they will go as well?
I say Phil will max out at 23.5-24 35-37 yrs old.
Just for the record, here are some verified measurements:
-Lee Priest: 5'5'' and 235 lbs (slightly off-season) had his arms measured and verified at 21.5''
-Vince Taylor: 5'8'' and approximately 240 lbs stretched the tape to 19.75''
-Magnus Samuelson, 6'6'' tall and 340 lbs (world's strongest man competitor) and able to cheat curl 405 lbs... measured his arms at 22''
-Arnold Schwazhisname had his off-season arms measured by Arthur Jones: 19.625''
-Ronnie Coleman... at 315 lbs at his post 2003 bloated maximum shot a backstage video where his arms were measured at 21.7'' at a guest posing
A 24'' arm? Are you guys high?
That's 48% bigger than an all-time best Arnold (cross sectional areas are expressed as a ratio of squares).
Even Gregg Valentino had his grotesquely misshapen appendages taped at only 24.5'' at a live event held by Guinness World Records.
Let's keep some perspective here... a 6' tall 600 lb mountain gorilla; (all that bulk being upper body) wouldn't have a 24'' muscular arm.
Put down the FLEX-pipe!
The Luke
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hi luke
did u get that new kidney?
i was worried about you. What about ur relationship with fbber Kim Perez is that still on?
wishing u well
sl
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I'm not Luke Wood.
The Luke
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Uh Luke, last year Flex had his bad arm measured at 24 inches, on stage. That vid of him having them measured at 21.5, was possibly when he hadn't been training as much.
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Uh Luke, last year Flex had his bad arm measured at 24 inches, on stage. That vid of him having them measured at 21.5, was possibly when he hadn't been training as much.
Oh sorry... I didn't realise Flex magazine said it, that changes everything.
So that means Ronnie's arms were just as big as Gregg Valetino's; must have been when Ronnie weighed 380 onstage and 500 lbs off-season... get real Parker.
You couldn't bend a 24'' arm beyond 90 degrees... most pros are in the 18'' to 20'' range. If anyone had a genuine 23'' arm they'd have it measured everywhere they went.
The Luke
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Oh sorry... I didn't realise Flex magazine said it, that changes everything.
So that means Ronnie's arms were just as big as Gregg Valetino's; must have been when Ronnie weighed 380 onstage and 500 lbs off-season... get real Parker.
You couldn't bend a 24'' arm beyond 90 degrees... most pros are in the 18'' to 20'' range. If anyone had a genuine 23'' arm they'd have it measured everywhere they went.
The Luke
My arms tape out at 19.75 and those guys arms are bigger than mine
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I'm not Luke Wood.
The Luke
come on dont be shy
Lets us know about the kidney- did ur sister really gave it up in the end?
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Rats ass ::)
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talking to me reg?
or are u manifesting ur god given right to doubt arm measurements declared by fantasist bbers and their gay nut hugers?
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Don't care measuring arms are so 80's. ::)
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Duh... Groink... do the math.
To stay proportional (Ronnie was relatively proportionate) how much muscle would YOU need to gain to have a 24'' arm, like Ronnie supposedly did?
Well, a 24'' arm is about 50% bigger than a 19.75'' arm...
(24 x 24)/(19.75 x 19.75) = (24)2/(19.75)2 = (576)/(390) = 1.48 = 48% Bigger
...because we're talking about cross-sectional AREAS, and the ratio of two areas is the ratio of the squares of any radius-dependent measurement (circumference or diameter).
So, to go from a 19.75'' arm to a 24'' arm, YOU Groink would have to increase your muscle mass 50%.
Think about it...
You weigh 240... Let's assume 150 of that is pure muscle... so you'd have to gain ANOTHER 75 lbs of lean muscle to have a 24'' arm.
Staying at the same bf %... that's another 100 lbs of solid bodyweight.
How many bodybuilders are 350 lbs with abs and curling 400 lbs with good form...?
The Luke
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Duh... Groink... do the math.
To stay proportional (Ronnie was relatively proportionate) how much muscle would YOU need to gain to have a 24'' arm, like Ronnie supposedly did?
Well, a 24'' arm is about 50% bigger than a 19.75'' arm...
(24 x 24)/(19.75 x 19.75) = (24)2/(19.75)2 = (576)/(390) = 1.48 = 48% Bigger
...because we're talking about cross-sectional AREAS, and the ratio of two areas is the ratio of the squares of any radius-dependent measurement (circumference or diameter).
So, to go from a 19.75'' arm to a 24'' arm, YOU Groink would have to increase your muscle mass 50%.
Think about it...
You weigh 240... Let's assume 150 of that is pure muscle... so you'd have to gain ANOTHER 75 lbs of lean muscle to have a 24'' arm.
Staying at the same bf %... that's another 100 lbs of solid bodyweight.
How many bodybuilders are 350 lbs with abs and curling 400 lbs with good form...?
The Luke
I weigh 260....and lol that i carry 90 lbs of fat if i was 240. what's that's 40% BF ?I know you don't like me but give me a break.
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Oh sorry... I didn't realise Flex magazine said it, that changes everything.
So that means Ronnie's arms were just as big as Gregg Valetino's; must have been when Ronnie weighed 380 onstage and 500 lbs off-season... get real Parker.
You couldn't bend a 24'' arm beyond 90 degrees... most pros are in the 18'' to 20'' range. If anyone had a genuine 23'' arm they'd have it measured everywhere they went.
The Luke
No, you don't read. There is video of him ON STAGE and they asked how big and could they measure it. He said yeah, 24 inches and they measured his bad arm, the tape clearly shows 24 inches. Onstage. It was posted here, surprise you did comment on it then.
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Duh... Groink... do the math.
To stay proportional (Ronnie was relatively proportionate) how much muscle would YOU need to gain to have a 24'' arm, like Ronnie supposedly did?
Well, a 24'' arm is about 50% bigger than a 19.75'' arm...
(24 x 24)/(19.75 x 19.75) = (24)2/(19.75)2 = (576)/(390) = 1.48 = 48% Bigger
...because we're talking about cross-sectional AREAS, and the ratio of two areas is the ratio of the squares of any radius-dependent measurement (circumference or diameter).
So, to go from a 19.75'' arm to a 24'' arm, YOU Groink would have to increase your muscle mass 50%.
Think about it...
You weigh 240... Let's assume 150 of that is pure muscle... so you'd have to gain ANOTHER 75 lbs of lean muscle to have a 24'' arm.
Staying at the same bf %... that's another 100 lbs of solid bodyweight.
How many bodybuilders are 350 lbs with abs and curling 400 lbs with good form...?
The Luke
luke ur a sick man - dont waste ur strength on maths
now did u or did u not get ur sisters kidney?, thats all we wanna know- cause otherwise we must go and get that crooked serbian kidney for u
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Both of you guys are morons...
No, you don't read. There is video of him ON STAGE and they asked how big and could they measure it. He said yeah, 24 inches and they measured his bad arm, the tape clearly shows 24 inches. Onstage. It was posted here, surprise you did comment on it then.
Bullshit!
Ronnie did a guest posing in Japan... backstage someone asked if they could measure his arms IN CENTIMETERS. Ronnie had no problem with that, presumably thinking no one would ever do the conversion... guess what?
21.7 inches.
That video shows the tape measure... and the tape reading on his arm... that's a lot different from some MC throwing a tape around a flexed arm and proclaiming a 24'' measurement to the audience.
Bodybuilders' reported arm measurements are as believeable as professional wrestlers' heights and weights.
I weigh 260....and lol that i carry 90 lbs of fat if i was 240. what's that's 40% BF ?I know you don't like me but give me a break.
When I guesstimate that 150 lbs of your 240 lb bodyweight is pure muscle... that DOESN'T mean I'm asserting you are carrying 90 lbs of fat.
Your body isn't just muscle and fat: you also have organs, a skeleton, a stomach, skin etc etc. My math is right.
But if you can't comprehend simple math without reactionary insecurity, I'm not sure I can help you.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that two gullible fools believe in 24'' arms.
To everyone else reading... Google "Manfred Hoeberl" and notice how massively disproportionate a synthol-filled 25'' arm looks on even a 6'7'' 320 lb frame.
The Luke
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Here yah go...
by the way, he was in Korea for the 21.5 measurement, after a flight, after not training and doing a lot of eating. Not Japan, get your details straight. The vid I have posted was from a guestposing in Maryland in 2009.
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Both of you guys are morons...
Bullshit!
Ronnie did a guest posing in Japan... backstage someone asked if they could measure his arms IN CENTIMETERS. Ronnie had no problem with that, presumably thinking no one would ever do the conversion... guess what?
21.7 inches.
That video shows the tape measure... and the tape reading on his arm... that's a lot different from some MC throwing a tape around a flexed arm and proclaiming a 24'' measurement to the audience.
Bodybuilders' reported arm measurements are as believeable as professional wrestlers' heights and weights.
When I guesstimate that 150 lbs of your 240 lb bodyweight is pure muscle... that DOESN'T mean I'm asserting you are carrying 90 lbs of fat.
Your body isn't just muscle and fat: you also have organs, a skeleton, a stomach, skin etc etc. My math is right.
But if you can't comprehend simple math without reactionary insecurity, I'm not sure I can help you.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that two gullible fools believe in 24'' arms.
To everyone else reading... Google "Manfred Hoeberl" and notice how massively disproportionate a synthol-filled 25'' arm looks on even a 6'7'' 320 lb frame.
The Luke
fair enough....my bad, keep your shirt on
but again I'm 260 :)
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what courage
on the verge of death, no kidneys, and does he think of himself? no he thinks of arm measurements
people like this make the best of our armed forces
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No, you don't read. There is video of him ON STAGE and they asked how big and could they measure it. He said yeah, 24 inches and they measured his bad arm, the tape clearly shows 24 inches. Onstage. It was posted here, surprise you did comment on it then.
Wow!
I've never seen that video... I just guessed that the video wouldn't show a 24'' arm... but somehow I was still right.
How was I so right... maybe because I know 55 cm is 21.7 inches.
...maybe because no one under 400 lbs has a 24'' arm.
The Luke
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luke, are u the Australian luke with the kidney problem or not?
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Wow!
I've never seen that video... I just guessed that the video wouldn't show a 24'' arm... but somehow I was still right.
How was I so right... maybe because I know 55 cm is 21.7 inches.
...maybe because no one under 400 lbs has a 24'' arm.
The Luke
did you take a look at the vid I posted? Plus, you are neglecting body composition, and people who prioritize bodyparts. Also have you seen that arm wrestler who looks like a fiddler crab, one arm has been overworked the other Underworked. I don't know how big his arm is, or his weight, but if you saw the numbers on paper, you'd say "no way"
when Ronnie was on stage in 1999 and in 2003, his arms looked way bigger than 21s. This was when he was on. And not traveling. You know the variables. Food, training, etc.
Now math on paper my work, but in real life it doesn't always. For instance, many car companies say their car will do "200+", which is called their theoritical top speed, but in the real world many times it doesn't pan out. Either due to wind, tires, gearing, lack of space, or it just doesn't pan out, even though he numbers say it will.
For instance, it was found out by Road&Track that the Ferrari F50 did not have a higher top speed than it's predecessor, the F40, in fact it was lower than the F40. Ferrari had stated a 200+ top speed, it just touched 198.
So just because you throw numbers up, many times in the real world, it can bd proven wrong.
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So just because you throw numbers up, many times in the real world, it can bd proven wrong.
So basic maths is wrong because "...his arms looked way bigger than 21s"?
Get real dude... there's another video of Ronnie's arms being measured backstage in Japan (can't locate it online) and they measure 55-56 cm too. Maybe someone else will post it.
So, we have two videos showing a 320 lb Ronnie taping out at 21.7''...not one single shred of evidence that his arms ever measured even 23''... but he had 24'' arms at 250-280 lbs onstage because you think so?
You must be delusional, Parker.
The Luke
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luke, are u the Australian luke with the kidney problem or not?
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So basic maths is wrong because "...his arms looked way bigger than 21s"?
Get real dude... there's another video of Ronnie's arms being measured backstage in Japan (can't locate it online) and they measure 55-56 cm too. Maybe someone else will post it.
So, we have two videos showing a 320 lb Ronnie taping out at 21.7''...not one single shred of evidence that his arms ever measured even 23''... but he had 24'' arms at 250-280 lbs onstage because you think so?
You must be delusional, Parker.
The Luke
Did I say that, no I didn't! You ignored the vid and you ignored the info I gave in why on paper, Which is theoritical, many times does not translate to the real world. I also cited other examples. You have a habit of ignoring evident that doesn't jive with your arguement, in fact you ignored all evident, and extrapolated a statement that I neither said nor implied. That right there is truly delusional, to attribute a statement to another person who never said it.
Keep playing this game, as the saying goes, "insanity is when you do the same thing over and over again, expecting the same results"
delusional and insane...what more do you want to add to your list?
Now, as I said, body composition must be taken in account. And genetics and joints, bodyfat, training, etc
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Luke either you've never seen a pro in person or you're a really small guy...
Go to 1:20...If you have the gift unwrapped it shows his arm being measured. He's 270lbs off season with 22 inch arms...
Coleman's arms at their largest were indeed 24 and Zach Khan's and Robert Bernicka's are 24. There is actual video of his and he competes in the 250s with 23s.
You have no clue WTF you're talking about.
Look it up.
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luke, are u the Australian luke with the kidney problem or not?
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Just for the record, here are some verified measurements:
-Lee Priest: 5'5'' and 235 lbs (slightly off-season) had his arms measured and verified at 21.5''
-Vince Taylor: 5'8'' and approximately 240 lbs stretched the tape to 19.75''
-Magnus Samuelson, 6'6'' tall and 340 lbs (world's strongest man competitor) and able to cheat curl 405 lbs... measured his arms at 22''
-Arnold Schwazhisname had his off-season arms measured by Arthur Jones: 19.625''
-Ronnie Coleman... at 315 lbs at his post 2003 bloated maximum shot a backstage video where his arms were measured at 21.7'' at a guest posing
A 24'' arm? Are you guys high?
That's 48% bigger than an all-time best Arnold (cross sectional areas are expressed as a ratio of squares).
Even Gregg Valentino had his grotesquely misshapen appendages taped at only 24.5'' at a live event held by Guinness World Records.
Let's keep some perspective here... a 6' tall 600 lb mountain gorilla; (all that bulk being upper body) wouldn't have a 24'' muscular arm.
Put down the FLEX-pipe!
The Luke
Just for the record, Lee Priest is 5'3" mofo.
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Both of you guys are morons...
Bullshit!
Ronnie did a guest posing in Japan... backstage someone asked if they could measure his arms IN CENTIMETERS. Ronnie had no problem with that, presumably thinking no one would ever do the conversion... guess what?
21.7 inches.
That video shows the tape measure... and the tape reading on his arm... that's a lot different from some MC throwing a tape around a flexed arm and proclaiming a 24'' measurement to the audience.
Bodybuilders' reported arm measurements are as believeable as professional wrestlers' heights and weights.
When I guesstimate that 150 lbs of your 240 lb bodyweight is pure muscle... that DOESN'T mean I'm asserting you are carrying 90 lbs of fat.
Your body isn't just muscle and fat: you also have organs, a skeleton, a stomach, skin etc etc. My math is right.
But if you can't comprehend simple math without reactionary insecurity, I'm not sure I can help you.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that two gullible fools believe in 24'' arms.
To everyone else reading... Google "Manfred Hoeberl" and notice how massively disproportionate a synthol-filled 25'' arm looks on even a 6'7'' 320 lb frame.
The Luke
Now Manfred Hoeberl was 6'7". Fuck, for someone who gives others shit for exaggerating arm measurements, you seem to add 2" to people's height. Manfred was 6'4"-6'5" bitch.
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You guys are fools...
Phil Heath at 270 has 22'' arms... okay.
So to have 24'' arms he'd need to be 324 lbs with the same conditioning (20% bigger, as a 24'' arm is a fifth bigger than a 22'' arm: 242/222 = 1.2)
Add to this the fact that Heath is pretty narrow and heavy-limbed... that woud imply a guy like Ronnie with his larger frame would need to be 350-370 lbs to have the 24'' arms you attribute to him.
Burneika's arms are 24''...? According to who?
There's never been a proper measuring of his arms... just lots of these videos where he crooks his arm and a tape goes over his bicep peak and diagonally round his triceps.
Besides, there's something foreign in his biceps... they're partially peaked even when his elbows are straight.
I've met many mass-monster pros in person: Dennis Wolfe; Ian Harrison; Marcus Ruhl... they are truly huge men up close, but you guys are attributing ludicrous comic book proportions to them.
Gregg Valentino has 24'' arms at 5'6''... you think if he stood on his tip-toes and did a front double biceps beside Ronnie their arms would be comparable?
Stop reading FLEX magazine kids... it's rotting your minds.
The Luke
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You guys are fools...
Phil Heath at 270 has 22'' arms... okay.
So to have 24'' arms he'd need to be 324 lbs with the same conditioning (20% bigger, as a 24'' arm is a fifth bigger than a 22'' arm: 242/222 = 1.2)
Add to this the fact that Heath is pretty narrow and heavy-limbed... that woud imply a guy like Ronnie with his larger frame would need to be 350-370 lbs to have the 24'' arms you attribute to him.
Burneika's arms are 24''...? According to who?
There's never been a proper measuring of his arms... just lots of these videos where he crooks his arm and a tape goes over his bicep peak and diagonally round his triceps.
Besides, there's something foreign in his biceps... they're partially peaked even when his elbows are straight.
I've met many mass-monster pros in person: Dennis Wolfe; Ian Harrison; Marcus Ruhl... they are truly huge men up close, but you guys are attributing ludicrous comic book proportions to them.
Gregg Valentino has 24'' arms at 5'6''... you think if he stood on his tip-toes and did a front double biceps beside Ronnie their arms would be comparable?
Stop reading FLEX magazine kids... it's rotting your minds.
The Luke
Did you watch the videos? ::)....Oh let me guess a trick tape like Hulk Hogan ::)
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The Luke = Luke Wood? ???
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Pros lie about their measurements all the time (in fact they lie about lots of things) - it wouldn't surprise me if they faked the measurement in the video.
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ronnies arms were pretty ripped in korea 21.7 to 22 inches. Obviously his arms would be 23 to 24 inches if he went offseason mode.
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Korea video was 1 month after the 2004 olympia.
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ronnies arms were pretty ripped in korea 21.7 to 22 inches. Obviously his arms would be 23 to 24 inches if he went offseason mode.
In both of the videos where his arms measured 55-56 cm he was over 320 lbs.
If your guesstimate was right then the average trainer could expect to see their own arm measurement fluctuate by as much as 1.5'' every time they changed a few bodyfat percentage points.
This is just like the "Myth of the Pump": everyone believes a good bicep/tricep pump adds an inch or more to their upper arms... actually no: at most it's 0.25'' to 0.5''.
Why you guys are so fixated on this 24'' number is just beyond me...
Sean Ray... 210 lbs... 18.5'' arms
Lee Haney... 240 lbs... 19'' arms
Vince Taylor... 230 lbs... 19.75'' arms
Lee Priest... 235 lbs... 21.5'' arms (short-armed freak)
Ahnuld... 240 lbs... 20'' arms
Dorian Yates... 260 lbs... 19.5'' arms (at best)
Ronnie... 280 lbs... 21-22'' arms
A 23'' arm happens somewhere around 300-320 lbs... a 24'' arm happens somewhere around 350 lbs: face facts.
The Luke
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The Luke = Luke Wood? ???
Squadfather said he plays Dungeons and Dragons!
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So basic maths is wrong because "...his arms looked way bigger than 21s"?
Get real dude... there's another video of Ronnie's arms being measured backstage in Japan (can't locate it online) and they measure 55-56 cm too. Maybe someone else will post it.
So, we have two videos showing a 320 lb Ronnie taping out at 21.7''...not one single shred of evidence that his arms ever measured even 23''... but he had 24'' arms at 250-280 lbs onstage because you think so?
You must be delusional, Parker.
The Luke
Are you fucking retarded ?!!? you think Ronnie's arms maxed out at 21.7" ?!?! Parker POSTED a clear video of him getting measured at 24" , lay down the crack pipe..
oh and you might wanna give the math a rest , clearly it's not your strong suit..somehow in your magical world 24" is 50% bigger then 19.75" LOLOLOL
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Are you fucking retarded ?!!? you think Ronnie's arms maxed out at 21.7" ?!?! Parker POSTED a clear video of him getting measured at 24" , lay down the crack pipe..
...such a clear video.
From thirty feet back in the audience you can clearly see a woman put a tape measure on Ronnie's arm and DECLARE it to be 24 inches.Was she an impartial judge or someone associated with the show or the show's promoter... maybe?
Would you believe ME if I similarly claimed MY arms were 24'' too? 'Cause they are!
oh and you might wanna give the math a rest , clearly it's not your strong suit..somehow in your magical world 24" is 50% bigger then 19.75" LOLOLOL
Okay, Captain...
Let me explain some basic math to you... an upper arm is a cross sectional area; we use circumference measurements for ease of measurement, but only because this measurement is dependent on cross-section... the thicker your upper arm gets (increase in cross sectional area) the bigger this circumference gets... weight training doesn't lengthen the upper arm, it only thickens it.
The ratio of two cross sectional areas, (be they ovals; elipses or circles) is dependent on the square of the radius.
The cross sectional area of a circle (for the sake of argument) approximates an upper arm: Area = 2 x pi x r2 and Circumference = 2 pi r ...where r denotes the upper arm radius.
So the ratio of two arm sizes would be:
Area1/Area2 = (2 pi r12)/(2 pi r22) ...but of course the constants cancel... = r12/r22 = (Circumference1/2pi)2/(Circumference2/2pi)2 = Circumference12/Circumference22
...which of course is simply the ratio of the SQUARES of the circumferences.
So, for example: using an 18'' arm and a 16'' arm... 182/162 = 324/256 = 1.265
Therefore, an 18'' arm is actually 27% bigger than a 16'' arm... NOT the 13% a simple ratio of measurements might give.
I'm not sure where you got lost reading this thread, Captain.
It's not as if I clearly explained my reasoning:
A 24'' arm? Are you guys high?
That's 48% bigger than an all-time best Arnold (cross sectional areas are expressed as a ratio of squares).
...and it's not as if I clearly explained the math to someone else including a worked example:
Well, a 24'' arm is about 50% bigger than a 19.75'' arm...
(24 x 24)/(19.75 x 19.75) = (24)2/(19.75)2 = (576)/(390) = 1.48 = 48% Bigger
...because we're talking about cross-sectional AREAS, and the ratio of two areas is the ratio of the squares of any radius-dependent measurement (circumference or diameter).
...and it's not as if I provided a second worked example to demonstrate the concept further:
Phil Heath at 270 has 22'' arms... okay.
So to have 24'' arms he'd need to be 324 lbs with the same conditioning (20% bigger, as a 24'' arm is a fifth bigger than a 22'' arm: 242/222 = 1.2)
...I'm glad you're the Captain of Equipoise, 'cos you sure ain't the Captain of Reading Comprehension.
The Luke
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The magazine propaganda is responsible for this, reminds me of when Hulk Hogan used to claim 24in arms.
Mattarazzo had 24's, Dillett had 23in arms, now Ronnie 24's in contest shape and Heath pushing 23/24in..., cmon guys. How on earth can Heath have 23/24 inch arms? ever? on his frame? those arms are fucking huge, but not more than 21 offseason.
only way gonna believe the flex onstage measurement is if Im onstage measuring myself with my own tape measure(no homo) Ronnie had max 22's. doubtful in shape, though.
Arnold used to claim 22, Vince Taylor said he had 18in arms before he started training. Even the claim that Gunnar Rosbo had 19/20 inch FOREARMS.
Only flaw with the Lukes theories and mathematical profeciency, is the use of SEO's. Priest uses it, so did Flex, Ronnie, Jay, Branch, Dex, Heath, etc, etc
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This thread is worse than a thread on bb.com, come on guys, this is getbig, I can't believe some of you guys fall for the bullshit. No fucking way is Heath's arms anywhere 23" legit. The guys arms are big, but they aren't even close to that.
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The magazine propaganda is responsible for this, reminds me of when Hulk Hogan used to claim 24in arms.
Mattarazzo had 24's, Dillett had 23in arms, now Ronnie 24's in contest shape and Heath pushing 23/24in..., cmon guys. How on earth can Heath have 23/24 inch arms? ever? on his frame? those arms are fucking huge, but not more than 21 offseason.
only way gonna believe the flex onstage measurement is if Im onstage measuring myself with my own tape measure(no homo) Ronnie had max 22's. doubtful in shape, though.
Arnold used to claim 22, Vince Taylor said he had 18in arms before he started training. Even the claim that Gunnar Rosbo had 19/20 inch FOREARMS.
Only flaw with the Lukes theories and mathematical profeciency, is the use of SEO's. Priest uses it, so did Flex, Ronnie, Jay, Branch, Dex, Heath, etc, etc
...don't forget newly minted pro and 1993 Arnold Classic winner Flex Wheeler who claimed to have 23.5'' arms (cold) on contest day despite weighing only 225 lbs. Read the '93 FLEX magazine Arnold coverage if you don't believe me.
Figo, what's an SEO...? Never heard that TLA (Three Letter Acronym)... site-injection...?
The Luke
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...don't forget newly minted pro and 1993 Arnold Classic winner Flex Wheeler who claimed to have 23.5'' arms (cold) on contest day despite weighing only 225 lbs. Read the '93 FLEX magazine Arnold coverage if you don't believe me.
Figo, what's an SEO...? Never heard that TLA (Three Letter Acronym)... site-injection...?
The Luke
Close....site enhancement oil
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Every year luke makes the same post
I disagree luke my arms COLD measures I've 19 and a half inches coleman's arms definetley are over two inches bigger
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Besides Parker has posted the video
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Every year luke makes the same post
I disagree luke my arms COLD measures I've 19 and a half inches coleman's arms definetley are over two inches bigger
Maybe... but they certainly aren't 4.5'' bigger as was claimed in this thread. That would make them bigger than Gregg Valentino's.
Remember guys, it's a ratio of squares... not a plain ratio... a 24'' arm would be 51% bigger than a 19.5'' arm (242/19.52 = 1.514).
If mesomorph was 5'10'' like Ronnie (just for the sake of argument) then we could get some very precise approximations just by a simple comparison:
Mesomorph's 19.5'' arm would equal (1/4pi) x 19.52 square inches of cross section = (0.07958)(19.5)2 = 30.26 square inches
...but just for maximum accuracy, let's deduct one square inch for the humerus: 29.26 square inches of cross sectional muscle
Ronnie's (a-hem!) 24'' arm would equal (1/4pi) x 242 square inches of cross section = (0.07958)(24)2 = 45.84 square inches
...but again for maximum accuracy, let's deduct one square inch for the humerus: 44.84 square inches of cross sectional muscle
Mesomorph, seriously, do you really think Ronnie's arms are (45.84/30.26=1.514) a full 51% bigger than yours...?
Seriously, do you really believe Ronnie's arms carry (44.84/29.26=1.532) a full 53% more muscle than yours...?
Is Ronnie 50% heavier than you?
Anyone having a 24'' arm while under 350 lbs lean bodyweight; (maybe even 400 lbs) is just as ridiculous as as a 22'' arm on someone under 200 lbs.
The Luke
PS... I highly doubt even your claim of 19.5'' arms; either you're pinching the tape or measuring diagonally.
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I measure my arms from time to time for my benefit why would I pinch the tape to lie to myself that would be kind of dumb I posted a vid of me measuring my arms about two yrs back at 18.6 clear up close since then I have put an inch on since then at 5-10 to 5-11 ronnies or phil arms are significantly bigger than mine you are wrong trust me
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...don't forget newly minted pro and 1993 Arnold Classic winner Flex Wheeler who claimed to have 23.5'' arms (cold) on contest day despite weighing only 225 lbs. Read the '93 FLEX magazine Arnold coverage if you don't believe me.
Figo, what's an SEO...? Never heard that TLA (Three Letter Acronym)... site-injection...?
The Luke
Luke, when Flex said his arms were 23.5 back in 1993, one would be a fool to believe him. Why, well because his weight and height would not have matched up. He was 216 @5'10. His arms would have been 18-19 at best, 20-21 would have been stretching it.
Also, one has to take bodymass and training. For instance, Fatpanda has a pic on here where he looks to be well over 260, but he is fat, and his arms are relatively, twigs. On paper, for his height and size, you could have said his arms were in the 20s, but they are not. And I know you have women who have those flabby arms, that if measured, would be 23s. But that is fat. Your math is flawed because you don't take in account different variables. Like bodymass composition, lack of training a certain part, weight distribution, muscle and fat distribution. You cannot take a sheet of paper do some math, and say this is absolute when it comes to the human body when it comes to sizes. As a matter of fact, you've seen those pics of the mice who were devoid of myostatin blockers. I believe their biceps were 275% bigger than normal and their triceps were 300+% bigger than normal. I would have to find that article, but I know he 275% is right, this was straight from Johns Hopkins. So who are we to believe, your math which doesn't account for real world variables, or Johns Hopkins scientists?
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gregg valentino had 28's and he is anywhere from 5'3 - 5'5
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Good post Parker luke thinks he can use a formula and everyone fits that formula some people carry a lot of weight and muscle on their arm due to genetics same as two women can weigh 160 same bf and one has a significantly larger ass than the other. I believe Coleman had 24's etc sorry luke some people just have exceptional genetics
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Luke, your calculations are correct, but an arm's cross sectional area is not circular, so the concept is not entirely correct.
A circle will give you maximum cross sectional area for a given circumference, but this ratio does not stay constant when the shape of the cross sectional area changes.
To draw this out in the extremes to prove a point:
Your 19.75 inch circle has a cross sectional area of about 30 square inches. Now let's have a rectangle with the same area, of 1 x 30 inches. Its circumference is 1+1+30+30=62 inches.
See where I'm getting at?
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Luke, your calculations are correct, but an arm's cross sectional area is not circular, so the concept is not entirely correct.
A circle will give you maximum cross sectional area for a given circumference, but this ratio does not stay constant when the shape of the cross sectional area changes.
To draw this out in the extremes to prove a point:
Your 19.75 inch circle has a cross sectional area of about 30 square inches. Now let's have a rectangle with the same area, of 1 x 30 inches. Its circumference is 1+1+30+30=62 inches.
See where I'm getting at?
And that can throw a calculation off.
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And that can throw a calculation off.
...only by a few percent.
A 30x1 rectangle is a ridiculous extreme that doesn't model the actual measurement; the actual variance is insignificant.
If you model the upper arm cross section with a perfect circle... you get the ratio of two squares.
If you model with ellipses or ovoids you might get a better approximation but the difference between the major and minor axes is insignificant... bringing us back to a simple ratio of squares.
The most obvious answer here is that you guys are all in denial...
Take Mesomorph78 for example, he's still insisting his arms are 19.5'' despite posting a video of them measuring 18.6''... well, sorry to break the bad news, but a 19.5'' arm is a full 10% bigger than an 18.6'' arm... you'd have to gain 20 lbs of solid muscle to make that jump.
I don't see why I need to labour this point... Ronnie has never shown his arms to be more than 22''... so why believe this 24'' figure? Such a variance would require a 70-100 lb change in bodyweight.
We have two videos showing a measurement of 21.7'' for an off-season (post 2003 blow-up) Ronnie... and one UNVERIFIED CLAIM of 24''.
Stop drinking the CoolAid guys... a male silver-back gorilla wouldn't have a 24'' arm, unless his bodyweight exceeded 550 lbs.
The Luke
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...only by a few percent.
A 30x1 rectangle is a ridiculous extreme that doesn't model the actual measurement; the actual variance is insignificant.
If you model the upper arm cross section with a perfect circle... you get the ratio of two squares.
If you model with ellipses or ovoids you might get a better approximation but the difference between the major and minor axes is insignificant... bringing us back to a simple ratio of squares.
The most obvious answer here is that you guys are all in denial...
Take Mesomorph78 for example, he's still insisting his arms are 19.5'' despite posting a video of them
measuring 18.6''... well, sorry to break the bad news, but a 19.5'' arm is a full 10% bigger than an 18.6'' arm... you'd have to gain 20 lbs of solid muscle to make that jump.
I don't see why I need to labour this point... Ronnie has never shown his arms to be more than 22''... so why believe this 24'' figure? Such a variance would require a 70-100 lb change in bodyweight.
We have two videos showing a measurement of 21.7'' for an off-season (post 2003 blow-up) Ronnie... and
one UNVERIFIED CLAIM of 24''.
Stop drinking the CoolAid guys... a male silver-back gorilla wouldn't have a 24'' arm, unless his bodyweight exceeded 550 lbs.
The Luke
I think that there are a hell of alot of male slver back gorillas that are 550...but we can agree to disagree. As Mes had said two women can weigh the same, but one can have a 30 butt and the can have a 42 inch butt...
But know this, a male Silverback gorilla has a 2.5 dick...please don't answer on that one ;D
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If I posted a vid and proved my point I'm sure u would come up with a very concrete explanation as to why it could never be eg I pinched the tape... Dude make no mistake my arms are hard defined and I've nineteen and a half inches so I know ronnie having twenty four inches is very real.
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In both of the videos where his arms measured 55-56 cm he was over 320 lbs.
If your guesstimate was right then the average trainer could expect to see their own arm measurement fluctuate by as much as 1.5'' every time they changed a few bodyfat percentage points.
This is just like the "Myth of the Pump": everyone believes a good bicep/tricep pump adds an inch or more to their upper arms... actually no: at most it's 0.25'' to 0.5''.
Why you guys are so fixated on this 24'' number is just beyond me...
Sean Ray... 210 lbs... 18.5'' arms
Lee Haney... 240 lbs... 19'' arms
Vince Taylor... 230 lbs... 19.75'' arms
Lee Priest... 235 lbs... 21.5'' arms (short-armed freak)
Ahnuld... 240 lbs... 20'' arms
Dorian Yates... 260 lbs... 19.5'' arms (at best)
Ronnie... 280 lbs... 21-22'' arms
A 23'' arm happens somewhere around 300-320 lbs... a 24'' arm happens somewhere around 350 lbs: face facts.
The Luke
You really are a hater, aren't you?
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The Luke using 10,000 words as usual, when 10 would suffice. Why the hell does cross sectional area have to be considered for a simple arm measurement?
All of his guesstimates of the pros' arm sizes are obviously wrong.
A 23'' arm happens somewhere around 300-320 lbs... a 24'' arm happens somewhere around 350 lbs: face facts.
That's a non-sequitur. Erik Fankhouser has bigger calves than Toney Freeman even though the latter outweighs him a fair bit. It's the same with arms - depends on the pro.
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What kind of shit is this?
I think that there are a hell of alot of male slver back gorillas that are 550...
I never said there weren't... Did you even read what I wrote?
The Luke
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...such a clear video.
From thirty feet back in the audience you can clearly see a woman put a tape measure on Ronnie's arm and DECLARE it to be 24 inches.Was she an impartial judge or someone associated with the show or the show's promoter... maybe?
Would you believe ME if I similarly claimed MY arms were 24'' too? 'Cause they are!
Okay, Captain...
Let me explain some basic math to you... an upper arm is a cross sectional area; we use circumference measurements for ease of measurement, but only because this measurement is dependent on cross-section... the thicker your upper arm gets (increase in cross sectional area) the bigger this circumference gets... weight training doesn't lengthen the upper arm, it only thickens it.
The ratio of two cross sectional areas, (be they ovals; elipses or circles) is dependent on the square of the radius.
The cross sectional area of a circle (for the sake of argument) approximates an upper arm: Area = 2 x pi x r2 and Circumference = 2 pi r ...where r denotes the upper arm radius.
So the ratio of two arm sizes would be:
Area1/Area2 = (2 pi r12)/(2 pi r22) ...but of course the constants cancel... = r12/r22 = (Circumference1/2pi)2/(Circumference2/2pi)2 = Circumference12/Circumference22
...which of course is simply the ratio of the SQUARES of the circumferences.
So, for example: using an 18'' arm and a 16'' arm... 182/162 = 324/256 = 1.265
Therefore, an 18'' arm is actually 27% bigger than a 16'' arm... NOT the 13% a simple ratio of measurements might give.
I'm not sure where you got lost reading this thread, Captain.
It's not as if I clearly explained my reasoning:
...and it's not as if I clearly explained the math to someone else including a worked example:
...and it's not as if I provided a second worked example to demonstrate the concept further:
...I'm glad you're the Captain of Equipoise, 'cos you sure ain't the Captain of Reading Comprehension.
The Luke
Dude honestly.. who even cares? you sound more bitter then nasser (if possible) you're trying to tell me a guy as huge as Ronnie (yes, I've met him in person) only has 21" arms...sure some guys exaggerate a little, but s top drinking the haterade, you're taking this to a whole new level.. it's almost like some guy with huge arms banged your girlfriend or you're just stuck with 13" arms like method101
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I'm only stating the basic facts here...
NO ONE under 200 lbs has a genuine 21'' muscular arm... everyone agrees with this one.
NO ONE under 250 lbs has a genuine 22'' muscular arm... but believers disagree 'cos Arnie added an inch to his measurements with each printing of his book.
NO ONE under 290 lbs has a genuine 23'' muscular arm... if anyone did, there'd be a hundred videos on YouTube proving it.
NO ONE under 340 lbs has a genuine 24'' muscular arm... no one has proof.
The arm-circumference-to-bodyweight ratio for GORILLAS doesn't hit 24'' till bodyweight hits 550 lbs.
There are TWO videos showing a post 2003 Ronnie stretching the tape to 21.7'' at a bodyweight over 300 lbs... but it seems I'm wrong, I must have missed the year Ronnie competed at 350 lbs and was a solid 400 lbs off-season.
Yis-is-all-delusional.
The Luke
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fella,,you dont know sheit about anyting you know this right you spew shit out your mouth like you raunus or something,,,,phil heath measured by off season of 270 was 24inches he diets down to 21.5inches for comp,,,ronnie was 23.5inch off season 300 plugs pounds also,,,if you want to talk about his arm ratio to weight ratio before he even walked into metroflex you go to talk to donnie when walking in he saw his potential already,,,he had alone 18inch arms at 210lbs,,,with hormones and lifting he pushed it already to 21inchs within year and half training off season,,,,you talk shit like stark is 250lbs and you a competitoeive bodybuilder ::)
I'm only stating the basic facts here...
NO ONE under 200 lbs has a genuine 21'' muscular arm... everyone agrees with this one.
NO ONE under 250 lbs has a genuine 22'' muscular arm... but believers disagree 'cos Arnie added an inch to his measurements with each printing of his book.
NO ONE under 290 lbs has a genuine 23'' muscular arm... if anyone did, there'd be a hundred videos on YouTube proving it.
NO ONE under 340 lbs has a genuine 24'' muscular arm... no one has proof.
The arm-circumference-to-bodyweight ratio for GORILLAS doesn't hit 24'' till bodyweight hits 550 lbs.
There are TWO videos showing a post 2003 Ronnie stretching the tape to 21.7'' at a bodyweight over 300 lbs... but it seems I'm wrong, I must have missed the year Ronnie competed at 350 lbs and was a solid 400 lbs off-season.
Yis-is-all-delusional.
The Luke
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How are you accounting for someones bicep peak when doing this calculation? Surely the overall mass becomes different once you flex and depending on the persons genetic bicep peak it could overall influence the measurement.
In Ronnies case he has a good peak on his bicep which could overall increase the measurement to 24"
I'm only stating the basic facts here...
NO ONE under 200 lbs has a genuine 21'' muscular arm... everyone agrees with this one.
NO ONE under 250 lbs has a genuine 22'' muscular arm... but believers disagree 'cos Arnie added an inch to his measurements with each printing of his book.
NO ONE under 290 lbs has a genuine 23'' muscular arm... if anyone did, there'd be a hundred videos on YouTube proving it.
NO ONE under 340 lbs has a genuine 24'' muscular arm... no one has proof.
The arm-circumference-to-bodyweight ratio for GORILLAS doesn't hit 24'' till bodyweight hits 550 lbs.
There are TWO videos showing a post 2003 Ronnie stretching the tape to 21.7'' at a bodyweight over 300 lbs... but it seems I'm wrong, I must have missed the year Ronnie competed at 350 lbs and was a solid 400 lbs off-season.
Yis-is-all-delusional.
The Luke
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fella,,you dont know sheit about anyting you know this right you spew shit out your mouth like you raunus or something,,,,phil heath measured by off season of 270 was 24inches he diets down to 21.5inches for comp,,,ronnie was 23.5inch off season 300 plugs pounds also,,,if you want to talk about his arm ratio to weight ratio before he even walked into metroflex you go to talk to donnie when walking in he saw his potential already,,,he had alone 18inch arms at 210lbs,,,with hormones and lifting he pushed it already to 21inchs within year and half training off season,,,,you talk shit like stark is 250lbs and you a competitoeive bodybuilder ::)
If you can't prove it... that doesn't make it legend... it makes it hearsay.
Besides... if Ronnie had 18'' arms at 210, that just confirms my assertion:
18'' arms at 210 lbs
19'' arms at 225ish lbs
20'' arms at 250ish lbs
21'' arms at 280ish lbs
22'' arms at 310ish lbs
23'' arms at 340ish lbs
24'' arms at what? 360 lbs...? 380 lbs?
...you think Ronnie took his 18'' arms (at 210 lbs) to massive 21'' arms within a year and a half of training...? Meaning he had 21'' arms BEFORE he turned pro?
You do know Ronnie started competing at about 210 lbs, right?
Till someone posts proof... it's all just delusion.
The Luke
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Remember. If we have two measurements from Ronnie, 21.7 and 24, that you can measure the arms circumference at MAXIMUM with a tape measure. Tape can be placed incorrectly and it can overshoot, but it can't ever underestimate the measurement. So I'm gonna go with the 21.7 inches...
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Remember. If we have two measurements from Ronnie, 21.7 and 24, that you can measure the arms circumference at MAXIMUM with a tape measure. Tape can be placed incorrectly and it can overshoot, but it can't ever underestimate the measurement. So I'm gonna go with the 21.7 inches...
If a friend of mine taped my arm onstage and announced it was 24'' should I expect people to believe that?
It's an old trick... if anyone really had a 24'' arm they'd video a taping... even a pic of a taped 24'' arm should have ELEVEN inches of tape showing.
The Luke
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If a friend of mine taped my arm onstage and announced it was 24'' should I expect people to believe that?
It's an old trick... if anyone really had a 24'' arm they'd video a taping... even a pic of a taped 24'' arm should have ELEVEN inches of tape showing.
The Luke
Dude, I don't think you're getting it, you seem to be the only one THAT ACTUALLY CARES, nobody else really gives a shit if his arms are 24" or 23" or 22" , all we know is that they're damn big.. there's a video of the woman measuring it at 24" not that it matters if it's dead on or not. You're the only nutcase here that's obsessed with the measurement being off, stating that you want to see clear close up videos of the measuring tape and probably want to inspect the measuring tape afterwards to make sure it meets your strict standards and criteria...fucking loon.
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Dude, I don't think you're getting it, you seem to be the only one THAT ACTUALLY CARES, nobody else really gives a shit if his arms are 24" or 23" or 22" , all we know is that they're damn big.. there's a video of the woman measuring it at 24" not that it matters if it's dead on or not. You're the only nutcase here that's obsessed with the measurement being off, stating that you want to see clear close up videos of the measuring tape and probably want to inspect the measuring tape afterwards to make sure it meets your strict standards and criteria...fucking loon.
I just don't think Ronnie ever had an arm bigger than a 600 lb mountain gorilla.
Why does that upset the nuthuggers so much?
The Luke
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I just don't think Ronnie ever had an arm bigger than a 600 lb mountain gorilla.
Why does that upset the nuthuggers so much?
The Luke
Hahahaha, I'm not even a Ronnie fan, but I've met the man and he's foooking huge beyond belief..
and again, weight has nothing to do with bicep size, it does in a small way, but it's not significant enough to make a difference, just look at a guy like Lee Priest, that 5'1 midget has arms as big as any of the 5'10 bodybuilders... and gorilla's aren't exactly known for their tremendous arm size.
Maybe you should meet some of these bodybuilders before you spew your made up bullshit.. How about Greg Kovacs? at one point it was said in Musclemag that his arms were 27" now this is most likely made up, but I've met Greg many times (we live in the same city and he used to train 5 minutes from where I live) and I can tell you his arms were the size of a LARGe cell-tech container (not the 2lb one, the 5lb one) they were at least 25" around...again, maybe not 27" but damn big enough that it made my jaw drop
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Ya know , I actually couldn't fall asleeep last night because I was grappling with this delimma ::)
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your not hearsay either fella,,,,,you have not proved your info,,,you have no hormone usage, history, no lifting,,,and claim your 230lbs with abs,,,no proof all hearsy
If you can't prove it... that doesn't make it legend... it makes it hearsay.
Besides... if Ronnie had 18'' arms at 210, that just confirms my assertion:
18'' arms at 210 lbs
19'' arms at 225ish lbs
20'' arms at 250ish lbs
21'' arms at 280ish lbs
22'' arms at 310ish lbs
23'' arms at 340ish lbs
24'' arms at what? 360 lbs...? 380 lbs?
...you think Ronnie took his 18'' arms (at 210 lbs) to massive 21'' arms within a year and a half of training...? Meaning he had 21'' arms BEFORE he turned pro?
You do know Ronnie started competing at about 210 lbs, right?
Till someone posts proof... it's all just delusion.
The Luke
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An offseason Ronnie was 330lbs or so. He easily had 24 inch guns pumped. 22 or so dieted down. I have a pic of my buddy shaking hands with him and at the time my friend was 280 and ronnie was 315 or so (was the San Jose show so julyish) and ronnie DWARFED HIM BADLY. BADLY. Ronnie just looks like a mutant, a totally diff animal than any other human being. I have no doubt his arms were really that big none.
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The arm-circumference-to-bodyweight ratio for GORILLAS doesn't hit 24'' till bodyweight hits 550 lbs.
There are TWO videos showing a post 2003 Ronnie stretching the tape to 21.7'' at a bodyweight over 300 lbs... but it seems I'm wrong, I must have missed the year Ronnie competed at 350 lbs and was a solid 400 lbs off-season.
The Luke
please stop comparing Ronnie to a gorilla, not only is it racist, but gorillas have been proven and shown to have poor arm genes and terrible range of motion. plus, have you seen their terrible diets, and they're lazy.
Luke, ARM SPECIALIZATION aka SYNTHOL. NO NEED TO GAIN NO POUNDS. although I dont believe the 24in thing.
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please stop comparing Ronnie to a gorilla, not only is it racist, but gorillas have been proven and shown to have poor arm genes and terrible range of motion. plus, have you seen their terrible diets, and they're lazy.
Luke, ARM SPECIALIZATION aka SYNTHOL. NO NEED TO GAIN NO POUNDS. although I dont believe the 24in thing.
I was gonna say this, but I was thinking, why bother....
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please stop comparing Ronnie to a gorilla, not only is it racist, but gorillas have been proven and shown to have poor arm genes and terrible range of motion. plus, have you seen their terrible diets, and they're lazy.
Luke, ARM SPECIALIZATION aka SYNTHOL. NO NEED TO GAIN NO POUNDS. although I dont believe the 24in thing.
I don't believe all the claimed arm sizes of the pro's, but some for sure, definetly the ones I've met and know..
at my biggest I had 19.5-19.75" arms and some of these guys made my arms look non existant so I know for sure they were over 22" , 23" there is no way on earth some of these guy's (esp. Ronnie) have 21" arms, if you meet them in real life you see how crazy big they're arms are and you get a whole different sense of perspective.
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Luke, how did you become the resident arm expert here? Aren't you the same guy who claimed this guy had a great set of guns? ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=325401.0;attach=364515;image)
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I just don't think Ronnie ever had an arm bigger than a 600 lb mountain gorilla.
Why does that upset the nuthuggers so much?
The Luke
I think the real question here is who would in a fight to the death between a silverback gorilla and bigfoot?
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I was gonna say this, but I was thinking, why bother....
very true
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I think the real question here is who would in a fight to the death between a silverback gorilla and bigfoot?
Big Foot. He's taller, bigger and smarter. And due to their upright stature, more manuverable. One of the main reasons why you can't really find any evidence of them, is because they dismember the bodies of the dead. No body, no evidence to be found...Male gorillas operate on bluff...try luffing a 8 foot tall possibly 600-700 tall primate that walks like a human...will not work in the gorilla's favor
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Big Foot. He's taller, bigger and smarter. And due to their upright stature, more manuverable. One of the main reasons why you can't really find any evidence of them, is because they dismember the bodies of the dead. No body, no evidence to be found...Male gorillas operate on bluff...try luffing a 8 foot tall possibly 600-700 tall primate that walks like a human...will not work in the gorilla's favor
Hmmm! Interesting analysis, but to get fully to the bottom of this problem would require an answer of at least 1000 words, also containing complex mathematical equations.
It would also be written by someone who possibly wears a cape in their free time.
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if you meet them in real life you see how crazy big they're arms are and you get a whole different sense of perspective.
Capt,
yes, but much like the guy here comparing "his friend" and Khan's arms in a pic where his friend was skinny-fat with a little muscle, and Khan with the genetic superior long full bellies, and conditioning and vascularity, apparently his friend fared quite well... ::)
this is not a reference aimed at you, just pointing out that an arm is not always just an arm. You get a normal arm, a developed arm, and a professional bbers arm. And whilst they may appear larger, conditioning, shape, etc are factors to consider.
unless what you saying is the other guys arms just blew you out of the water, in which case, disregard the above! ;D
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Luke, you are giving the math too much credit.
Arms have a tendency to increase more in height than width, due to the placement of the muscles. This is again due to their purpose of bending the arm. For this experiment we can say that the biceps peak increases half an inch in height (which isn't that large a figure). If the rest of the arm stays the same, that will increase the circumference one whole inch, and the area increase won't be very large either.
Your theory is based on that the arm always grows equally in every direction, which isn't the case. And yes, this is significant, whether you agree or not.
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In both of the videos where his arms measured 55-56 cm he was over 320 lbs.
If your guesstimate was right then the average trainer could expect to see their own arm measurement fluctuate by as much as 1.5'' every time they changed a few bodyfat percentage points.
This is just like the "Myth of the Pump": everyone believes a good bicep/tricep pump adds an inch or more to their upper arms... actually no: at most it's 0.25'' to 0.5''.
Why you guys are so fixated on this 24'' number is just beyond me...
Sean Ray... 210 lbs... 18.5'' arms
Lee Haney... 240 lbs... 19'' arms
Vince Taylor... 230 lbs... 19.75'' arms
Lee Priest... 235 lbs... 21.5'' arms (short-armed freak)
Ahnuld... 240 lbs... 20'' arms
Dorian Yates... 260 lbs... 19.5'' arms (at best)
Ronnie... 280 lbs... 21-22'' arms
A 23'' arm happens somewhere around 300-320 lbs... a 24'' arm happens somewhere around 350 lbs: face facts.
The Luke
I find it really hard to believe these measurements when my 18.5 inch arms look puny compared to all these guys. And theres no fucking way Arnold only had 19inch+ arms.
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I find it really hard to believe these measurements when my 18.5 inch arms look puny compared to all these guys. And theres no fucking way Arnold only had 19inch+ arms.
I agree with your first statement. Disagree with your last. Remember, Arnold was all arms and chest. That is why his arms looked bigger, plus the fact that he did those twisting poses and his biceps overpowers his triceps. Sergio, who had full biceps and tris, but lacked that impressive peak, actually had bigger arms. And when they were together, you saw this.
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I find it really hard to believe these measurements when my 18.5 inch arms look puny compared to all these guys. And theres no fucking way Arnold only had 19inch+ arms.
...everyone in this thread seems to be afflicted with magical thinking.
Lets get some perspective...
Greg Valetino's arms were measured by Guinness's live on tv at 24.5'' and 24.25''.
Samuel Samuelson (world's strongest man) could cheat curl 405 lbs for reps... his arm measrement at 6'6'' tall and 340 lbs...? A whopping 22''.
Ronnie's arms were never as big as Valentino's.
We have vids showing a 300-320 lb Ronnie taping out at 21.7'' (twice)... to have 24'' arms he'd have to gain another 50 lbs of muscle... maybe 70 lbs of bodyweight.
Get real guys... for the average 5'10'' guy a 24'' arm is physiologically impossible (muscles can't contract when they're wider than they are long).
Burneika's arms are 22'' to maybe 22.5'' with whatever foreign substance is in them: he's measuring them with a crooked elbow and diagonal tape every week.
You think Ronnie had 24''s but only ever measured them when they were under 22'' (and he was still somehow 300+ lbs lean)?
Denial... denial... denial...
The Luke
PS... funniest thread ever on GetBig; it's like I'm explaining there's no Toot Fairy.
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...everyone in this thread seems to be afflicted with magical thinking.
Lets get some perspective...
Greg Valetino's arms were measured by Guinness's live on tv at 24.5'' and 24.25''.
Samuel Samuelson (world's strongest man) could cheat curl 405 lbs for reps... his arm measrement at 6'6'' tall and 340 lbs...? A whopping 22''.
Ronnie's arms were never as big as Valentino's.
We have vids showing a 300-320 lb Ronnie taping out at 21.7'' (twice)... to have 24'' arms he'd have to gain another 50 lbs of muscle... maybe 70 lbs of bodyweight.
Get real guys... for the average 5'10'' guy a 24'' arm is physiologically impossible (muscles can't contract when they're wider than they are long).
Burneika's arms are 22'' to maybe 22.5'' with whatever foreign substance is in them: he's measuring them with a crooked elbow and diagonal tape every week.
You think Ronnie had 24''s but only ever measured them when they were under 22'' (and he was still somehow 300+ lbs lean)?
Denial... denial... denial...
The Luke
PS... funniest thread ever on GetBig; it's like I'm explaining there's no Toot Fairy.
Idiot logic from an idiot.
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Idiot logic from an idiot.
...the only idiot in this thread who understands the ratio of two cross sectional areas is a ratio of the squares of the circumferences.
But I suppose these ad hominem attacks do prove something... they prove no one has any evidence to rebutt my claims.
The Luke
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...the only idiot in this thread who understands the ratio of two cross sectional areas is a ratio of the squares of the circumferences.
But I suppose these ad hominem attacks do prove something... they prove no one has any evidence to rebutt my claims.
The Luke
Luke, was Valentino's arms measured before or after they exploded. Before or after he "blew up" in the magazines with that famous MM pose. Furthermore, his arms were not muscle, we are talking muscular arms here.
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...the only idiot in this thread who understands the ratio of two cross sectional areas is a ratio of the squares of the circumferences.
But I suppose these ad hominem attacks do prove something... they prove no one has any evidence to rebutt my claims.
The Luke
Luke...on another note......what do you have to say about Stark saying he's never met you...and also him being a rather small guy?
If he has 20 lbs on you...I feel sorry for you
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Luke, was Valentino's arms measured before or after they exploded. Before or after he "blew up" in the magazines with that famous MM pose. Furthermore, his arms were not muscle, we are talking muscular arms here.
This is my whole point...
Valentino's arms were so massive he couldn't bend them properly; they hung like oversized breast implants... yet they measured just over 24''.
Hoeberl's arms also looked disporportionately massive and the synthol/site-injections were very obvious; they overpowered the rest of his 300-340 lb frame... yet they only taped out at 25''.
Valentino is what? 5'5''? ...and yet 24'' arms looked like swimming floats on him; taller peak-to-tri than is head.
Hoeberl is 7'' taller than Ronnie, and 60 lbs heavier... yet 25'' arms dwarfed his entire physique.
But Ronnie somehow had genuine 24'' muscular arms at 5'10...?... despite the fact that his arms have twice been measured at 21.7'' (never show to be 24'') while Ronnie was a lean 300+ pounds.
If 300+lbs with abs Ronnie has 22'' arms... to have 24'' arms (20% bigger than 22s) he'd have to weigh what? 350 lbs? Maybe even 380 lbs with abs?
The math doesn't add up, and the math doesn't lie.
I think the reason so many believe the 24'' fantasy is because so many blinly accept Arnold's 22'' arm claim... in reality, Arnold only had a 20'' arm when his off-season weight hit 250 lbs (pre 1974 Olympia).
To have genuine 22'' arms Arnold would have had to be 280-320 lbs... Ronnie had to.
Sorry to labor this point guys... but the stubborn refusal of bodybuilders to critically evaluate these bullshit claims is the reason MuscleTech is still in business.
The Luke
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Luke...on another note......what do you have to say about Stark saying he's never met you...and also him being a rather small guy?
If he has 20 lbs on you...I feel sorry for you
...I think he's yanking your chain.
I notice he's posting lots more of his "Benched 100 lbs today"; "Squatted 150 lbs today" threads. He's probably laughing his ass off at the guys on here who were so happy when Sev posted that pic.
Guy looked like a brick-shithouse when I met him. Maybe 220 lbs, pretty lean.
Also... he never posted a pic and claimed there were none of him to be found, yet suddenly he's happy to post lots of pics...? Suspicious.
Must be an in-joke, he's so eager to make himself out to be just an average trainer... I saw him in real life, he's far above average. (no homo)
The Luke
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...I think he's yanking your chain.
I notice he's posting lots more of his "Benched 100 lbs today"; "Squatted 150 lbs today" threads. He's probably laughing his ass off at the guys on here who were so happy when Sev posted that pic.
Guy looked like a brick-shithouse when I met him. Maybe 220 lbs, pretty lean.
Also... he never posted a pic and claimed there were none of him to be found, yet suddenly he's happy to post lots of pics...? Suspicious.
Must be an in-joke, he's so eager to make himself out to be just an average trainer... I saw him in real life, he's far above average. (no homo)
The Luke
Funny...he says he never met you and you're full of shit :P
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Luke, Manfred was all arms, so yes the fact he was taller than Ronnie and relatively less muscled means that his softish arms would appear and be bigger. Ronnie was huge all over, carried more qaulity muscle than Manfred ever had.
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Funny...he says he never met you and you're full of shit :P
Excellent!
Guess that's how you live the gimmick... and pass into legend.
When I spoke to him, I asked if he was training for boybuilding or powerlifting (I know people who know him through powerlifting and he was obviously very lean)... he just looked at me quizzically and said: "Na dude, I just do yoga."
Funny guy.
The Luke
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Greg Kovac's 26 inch arms?
http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq145/bianconero8/kovacs2.jpg (http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq145/bianconero8/kovacs2.jpg)
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Are you fucking nuts he loses 30+ lbs and only loses an inch in his arms ::) YOU know better than this FFS
No, he was right. Arms are always lean and don't hold a lot of fat or water compared to the legs, stomach and ass. You can lose 30 lbs and only an inch or 1.5 inches off the arms
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based on luke whos credit is:
stark stats based on luke:
250lbs with abs
bench 225 for kicks and giggles
military man
climbs mountsains
luke stats again on ronnie coleman:
5'10"
21inch arms
19inch quads due to proportion growth theory,,,
now on to greg kovakcs,,,,
those are fake tape measurements I have proof,,but wont show it becuase my math is good enough for nutbiggers,,,
Greg Kovac's 26 inch arms?
http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq145/bianconero8/kovacs2.jpg (http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq145/bianconero8/kovacs2.jpg)
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I find it really hard to believe these measurements when my 18.5 inch arms look puny compared to all these guys. And theres no fucking way Arnold only had 19inch+ arms.
Klaus' arm dwarfs mine's. So he really must have 30" arms. ::)
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Phil has maxed out his size. His frame simply can't hold any more muscle without developing a big gut.
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Phil has maxed out his size. His frame simply can't hold any more muscle without developing a big gut.
Agreed.
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i dont think he's so concerned with there size as he is there shape and condition
personally i've always thought phil was never quit "grainy" enough on stage
yes, dorian didnt want to come in too full at a contest, he came in a little flat, thats why he got the grainy hard look.